1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back. If you're just tuning in, you're 2 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: listening to the Mark Mos Show. We're talking about, of course, 3 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: each and every week, the decentralized revolution, how the world 4 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: is changing right before our very eyes. And of course 5 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: we talked about it through the lens of politics, finance, 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: and technology, how those merge, and of course that technology 7 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: is Bitcoin is the decentralized technology that's changing the world. 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: And you know, I try to bring to you some 9 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, new stories to kind of change the way 10 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: you see things, and some some of the latest breaking 11 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: news of the week, and some interesting guests. And I 12 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: have somebody um in the studio with me today, and 13 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: that is somebody who has been living this decentralized life 14 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: for a long period of time, longer than me, and 15 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: actively building out the parallel economy, something I've been talking 16 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: about over and over and over, and that is John Bush. 17 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: He's the founder of the Live Free Academy, co producer 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: of an event called the Greater Reset, which I'll actually 19 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: be speaking at UM in Austin next weekend. And he's 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: also the co founder of the Freedom Selling Network, with 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: has over thirty five thousand freedom lovers working together and 22 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: opting out of the system and building this parallel economy. 23 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: Of course, Um last week I did a whole segment 24 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: on the parallel economy, what it is, how important it is, 25 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: how we do it, how we use it, how how 26 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: we build it, etcetera. If you miss that, go back 27 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: and listen to the episodes. You get the whole reference 28 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: on what that is. We'll be talking about it more 29 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: now and of course you can find that on my 30 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: YouTube channel, Market Disruptors, or on on the podcast just 31 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: search Market Moss podcast. But anyway, John, thanks so much 32 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: for joining me today. Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah. Man, 33 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: So you know what cool work you're doing. You know, 34 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: I talked about um quite often, how you know, the 35 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: world scary and it's uncertain, and a lot of people 36 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: are feeling demoralized. I think that's intentionally done so people 37 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: don't want to act, and so people are like, well 38 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: what why even bother? What can I do? And and 39 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm constantly just you know, virtually wanting to like slap 40 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: people across the face and be like, come on, man, 41 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: you're not a victim, Like build the world you want. 42 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: That's kind of what I say all the time, and 43 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: that that's basically what you're doing right, I mean, you're 44 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: you're helping organized people to go do something right, go 45 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: build the world they want. I mean, is that kind 46 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: of how you see it or what you're doing. Yeah, 47 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: for the most part, that sums it up pretty well. 48 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: I've been doing activism for twenty years now, and the 49 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: first chunk of that was focused on protesting and waking 50 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: people up about the conspiracy taking place. And then I 51 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: got involved pretty heavily in politics. And while we had 52 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: what could be considered victories, we stopped police officers from 53 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: being trained to do blood withdrawals on the side of 54 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: the road in Austin. We helped institute privacy policies for 55 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: these Department of Homeland Security fusion centers, which like merged 56 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: the FBI with the local police. But in reality, we 57 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: were simply slowing the growth of tyranny. We weren't creating 58 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: more freedom. That's when I shift my focus to what 59 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: we like to call to call exit and build strategy. 60 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: That's where you identify systems institutions that aren't in align 61 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: it with your values of freedom, decentralization, bodily autonomy. Right, 62 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: we identify those systems, we exit those systems, and we 63 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 1: build the alternatives. When I say exit, I mean completely 64 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: opt out. So eventually, one day we're all going to 65 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: declare independence together wholeheartedly. But for some people, we need 66 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: to build those systems first so as to clear the 67 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: way for the peaceful opt out without losing all our 68 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: property or ending up in jail. So that's basically my 69 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: life submission is to create an environment where free people 70 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: can enjoy political autonomy and self governance. MS has a 71 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: big goal. I want to I want to dig into 72 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: that as so many questions, but like, let's set the 73 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: backs the back story up a little bit here. So, Um, 74 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: you're from Texas. I believe you currently live on a 75 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: on a farm, so you're probably kind of self sustained. 76 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: You got your family. At one point you were, Um, 77 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: I think you've been living completely off the financial system 78 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: on bitcoin. I think at one point you were kind 79 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: of traveling around the country in an r V. You live, 80 00:03:58,640 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: like I said, live off the land. Kind of think, 81 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: kind of give us a little bit of a backstory 82 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: and then let's dig dig back into that exit and 83 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: build strategy. Sure, sure, so I kind of I got 84 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: involved with this whole world after watching a documentary by 85 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: Alex Jones in Austin on cable Access. It's called nine 86 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: eleven Road to Tyranny. And so I was a big 87 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: Alex Jones fan back in the day, but he kind 88 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: of went a little far right and kind of reactive 89 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: for my tastes. But anyway, that was a big eye opener, 90 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: and I was like, Wow, what they're telling us about 91 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: this whole nine eleven event that's had such an impact 92 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: on so many people, a lot of his total bs 93 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: and so that kind of led me down the rabbit 94 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: hole of researching counsel and form relations, trylateral commission, all 95 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: this stuff. Um. I got involved in the American Civil 96 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: Liberties Union on campus to push back on uh, you know, 97 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: dissent them them like trying to limit our free speech 98 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: on campus, pushing back against the war and stuff. And 99 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: I learned about Ron Paul in two thousand seven, two 100 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: thousand eight for his presidential campaign. Actually got to interview 101 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: him recently for this homeschool summit that we did. That 102 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: was quite the privilege and honor. But I learned about libertarianism, 103 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: and of course Ron Paul didn't win the presidential campaign 104 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, the world would probably be 105 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: a different place had he. But we managed to find 106 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: around nine hundred to a thousand people in Austin that 107 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,119 Speaker 1: we're all libertarians. Some of them were constitutional conservative types, 108 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: but some of our radical libertarians later turned into voluntaryists. Right, 109 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: those are folks that believe all human relationships should be voluntary. 110 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: I said, what a concept. What's that? I said, what 111 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: a concept? We own our bodies and deserve self respect. 112 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: But anyway, we got we got really involved in local politics. 113 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: We started a political action committee called Texans for Accountable Government, 114 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: which is still around to this day. Uh. And it 115 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: was very passionate about it, and we'd show up to 116 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: city council. We'd actually have legislation authored by friendly council members, 117 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: friendly legislatures in the Texas ledge. But like I said, 118 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: you know, I started to learn about libertarianism, and that 119 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: I learned about this guy, Murray Rothbard, who talks about 120 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: anarcho capitalism, and then from him I learned about Samuel 121 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: Edward Conkin. In this philosophy more of a strategy of agorism, 122 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: revolutionary market anarchism. This is some of the philosophical underpinions 123 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: of parallel economies. He called it the counter economy, right, 124 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: And so simultaneously I'm learning about true freedom, about how 125 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 1: we ought to coexist with our fellow human beings, about 126 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: how systems need to be decentralized in order for them 127 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: to be more just. Uh. And I was still banging 128 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: my head against the wall, shouting at government buildings, having 129 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: these minor victories that weren't really even a step forward. 130 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: We're just slowing the steps back that we were taking 131 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: towards tyranny. So I started to experiment with the creation 132 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: of what I used to call parallel institutions, alternative institutions, 133 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: parallel economies, counter economy, whatever you wanna call it. We 134 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: would encourage people to trade with silver dimes. So we'd 135 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: go to farmers markets and talk to all the vendors 136 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: and say, hey, would you guys consider accepting silver times? 137 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: Did you know silver and still has that sound money there? 138 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: Most people just thought we were kind of ridiculous, But 139 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: every once in a while you come across an old 140 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: farmer and they're like, oh, yeah, anything we can do 141 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: to stick it to the Federal and Reserve. So I 142 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: thought that was pretty cool. But that was before I 143 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: learned about bitcoin. I learned about bitcoin twelve or so. Actually, 144 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: somebody told me I should mind bitcoin using my laptop. 145 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: That's when you could pop out fifty bitcoin every approximately 146 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: ten minutes, and I'll never forget I. I responded, said, 147 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'm really busy right now. Maybe I has 148 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: had some time aside to learn about it. That was 149 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: a valuable lesson that everybody should at least reserve some 150 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: brain power to take advantage of an opportunity if it 151 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: gets put in front of you. But when we learned 152 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: more about bitcoin, it really became clear, like this is 153 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: a technology that's very liberating. Of course, back then we 154 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: thought that it would end the FED, but really these 155 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: central bankers are pretty dastardly, and that now they're leveraging 156 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: some blockchain technology for some of their central bank digital 157 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: currency schemes. But nonetheless, this really just started a pursuit 158 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: of creating freedom now, not waiting for politicians to do 159 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: the right thing, not waiting for plus one of the 160 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: voting public to come around to the ideas of freedom, 161 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: but asking ourselves, what can we do right now in 162 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 1: this moment to create more freedom for ourselves, our children, 163 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: and the future generations to come. And it was around 164 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: this time Also, I had this idea for the Freedom 165 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: Cell Network. I realized that, you know, the lone wolf, 166 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: the guy that's all alone, standing up, opting out, saying 167 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: no is is very vulnerable. Well, what if we could 168 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: bring together thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of 169 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: like minded people that all work together to support one another, 170 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: to provide for our common ones and needs through mutually beneficial, 171 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: voluntary association, not coercion, not highly centralized big corporations that 172 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: are mostly corrupt. And that was the birth of this idea, 173 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: the Freedom Selling Network. My good friend Derek Rows took 174 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: the idea and ran with it, started groups in Houston. 175 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's let's take a break. Right there 176 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: so much good information I want to dig into. We've 177 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: gotta take a short break, but I do want to 178 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: find out. I have so many questions I've been kind 179 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: of writing down, and you've been talking about, um, the 180 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: opting out and what happens that with that, and and 181 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: and pushing back and kind of what you experienced, so 182 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: much to dig into you. We're gonna really unpack this. 183 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: So if you're just tune in, you're listening to the 184 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: Mark Moss Show. I'm in studio with John Bush talking 185 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: about how to create a free society. We're back with 186 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: more in a minute. You don't want to miss it, 187 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: don't go away. I'll be right back. All right, Welcome back. 188 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: If you're just tuning in, you're listening to the Mark 189 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: Mos Show. We're talking about, of course, each and every week, 190 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: the decentralized revolution. How the world is changing, and it 191 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: changes for many reasons, and one of those is if 192 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: we intentionally want to change it. And that's what we're 193 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: talking about today. I'm in studio with John Bush, founder 194 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: of the Live Free Academy, co producer of the Greater 195 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: Reset event that's happening in Austin, Texas UM at the 196 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: end of this month. I'll be out there speaking. You 197 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: can check it out check out their website. And he's 198 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: also the co founder of the Freedom Cell Network freedom 199 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: Lovers working together. If you're trying to find a tribe 200 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: community people that understand what you're looking at, check that out. 201 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: But anyway, John, you were kind of giving us this 202 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: whole backstory, which was was amazing. UM, you know, I 203 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: was gonna listen to your story and how you kind 204 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: of went down this path of being very fired up, 205 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: gung ho about politics, right, super involved, super passionate, and 206 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: then you kind of realize that, I like your analogy, 207 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: we're just slowing things. We're not we're not actually changing things. Um. 208 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: And so you kind of have this like excited build strategy, 209 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: which which you're you're modeling in your own life. And 210 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're working with with these these freedoms on 211 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: network people. But you know, I think about that, um, Like, 212 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: you can opt out. Iron Ran would say that you 213 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: can choose to ignore reality, but you can't ignore the 214 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: consequences of reality. And so like, um, I'm opting out, um, 215 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: But does that really change anything? Because now I'm ignoring it, 216 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: but I'm not, you know, I can't ignore the consequences, 217 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: Like the world is still gonna change, right. Yeah. And 218 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: that's a great point that you bring up, and it's 219 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: something that we ought to address strategically. So this excitent 220 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: build thing, part of it is encouraging people to exit 221 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: the cities, to buy land and build community in the country, 222 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: to become more self reliant, more independent of those centralized 223 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: systems and oftentime. In fact, we do this Exit and 224 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: Build Land Summit every May where we do just that, 225 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: We encourage people, We teach people practically what they need 226 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: to do in order to get out of there, because 227 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: that's where this whole smart city agenda is going to 228 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: roll out, That's where the great reset is going to 229 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: be most impactful on people's lives is in the big cities. 230 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: Uh So, a lot of people push back and they 231 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: respond like, well, you guys are that's escapism, that's defeatism, 232 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: it's retreatism. I think, honestly, nothing could be further from 233 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: the truth what we're trying to do. And one of 234 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: the big challenges that we have as free people is 235 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: proving to people that there's another way to live, showing 236 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: people demonstrating that there's another way to organize society that 237 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: isn't dependent on government and is void of coercion forcing 238 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: people to do things that they may not want to do. 239 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: So what we're trying to do is prove out a 240 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: decentralized model of existence and then you know, be nice 241 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: and friendly to the masses and say, hey, everybody, you 242 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: should check it out. There's a different way to live, 243 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be this wholehearted thing. There's 244 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: different ways to show this. For example, you can exit 245 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: the government schools and build homeschool coops. You can exit 246 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: reliance or dependence on the banks and credit cards and 247 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: build out decentralized financial networks using bitcoin. Right, you can 248 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: exit your dependence on the pharmaceutical industrial complex. Eat better, exercise, 249 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: have a stress less stress life, and visit natural health practitioners. 250 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: So it's all of these different things that I believe 251 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: are going to lead to a higher quality of life. 252 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: And somebody's got can exit and you can exit mainstream media, 253 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: start your own media outlets. And I was like, like, 254 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: we're on right now, yep. And and so yeah, we're 255 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: not just necessarily ignoring politics or thinking it's going to escape. 256 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: But it's my belief if enough of us hop on 257 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: board with this accident build strategy, if enough of us 258 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: help and start utilizing the parallel economies, then maybe someday 259 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: they'll be the masses will see us over here happy, 260 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: you know, playing with our kids in the best health, 261 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: experiencing true wealth and abundance, and they'll want a piece 262 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: of the action and they'll come join us. Yeah, And 263 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: that's that's the exact approach. I mean, obviously I agree 264 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: with you wholeheartedly. And like I said, I dedicated a 265 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: whole hour to talking about this last week, and I'm 266 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: running an event here in a couple of weeks called 267 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: the um basically teaching people how to actually build in 268 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: this new parallel economy. I think there's a massive opportunity 269 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: there for people because we we need this all to 270 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: get built out and people want this, and that's a 271 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: market disruptors of virtual you can check that out markets 272 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: up to virtual dot com. But um, you know, I 273 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 1: think I think it's a huge attinuity. So I so 274 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: I agree with you there. I was just curious kind 275 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: of what your what your take was on that. Now, Um, 276 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: the Land Summit, that's pretty cool. Um, I like that. 277 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: And then the Greater Reset. You're doing a lot of 278 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: things here. Let's talk about this Greater Reset event for 279 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: a minute, So, um, what's going on with that? And 280 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: like kind of what's the intention just to kind of 281 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: wake people up kind of what you're doing with your 282 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: original activision activism type stuff. Sure. So, my good friend 283 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: and cohort Derek Burrows, we work together, we work together 284 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: at the Freedom Cell stuff. When we first started learning 285 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: a whole lot about this Great Reset agenda, we recognize 286 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that are kind of freaking out, 287 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: writing articles about it, watching documentaries about it, and for 288 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: those not familiar, I'm sure most of your audience is 289 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: a where the great recesses effort by the World Economic 290 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: Forum to centralize, to merge biology and technology, basically to 291 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: reshape life as we know it. It's really all about 292 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: capital and capitalism, stakeholder capitalism. It's just all control. I 293 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: could like to call it the new World Order two 294 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: point know, and the technology does exist for this to 295 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: you know, be pretty pretty bad for future generations if 296 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: we allow it to fully come to fruition. But nonetheless, 297 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: we said, what if we put together this event and 298 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: instead of just complaining and whining about it, we helped 299 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: to empower people. So the whole goal is to bring 300 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: together visionaries, activists, entrepreneurs, people that are doing cool stuff 301 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: in the world, solutions oriented people like yourself, and to 302 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: have them share their tips, tactics, and strategies with the audience, 303 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: so the audience leaves with the information they need to 304 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: pursue greater freedom in their lives. So we're not satisfied 305 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: with the status quo of how society has operated. We 306 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: most definitely don't want things to be further centralized and 307 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: further corrupted. So we're trying to offer an alternative to 308 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: the Great Reset that we're calling the Greater Reset. Anybody 309 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: can watch the free online as well. They'll be able 310 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: to watch for free January eighth through they and people 311 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: can sign up there and the Greater Reset dot Org 312 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: the Greater Reset dot Org or better yet, you can 313 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: join us in person in Central Texas to see Mark 314 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: there in person along with Alexeck, Jack Spirco and several 315 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: other really cool peeps. Zoobie and JPN Seers will be 316 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: at the concert on Saturday night, so we're really excited 317 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: about that as well. Yeah, two good buddies of mine, 318 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: both JP and uh and and Zoobie. I'm looking forward 319 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: to getting together with them when I'm there. The Greater 320 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: Reset dot Org is is the domain there. Um. I 321 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: want to get more back into this kind of parallel economy. 322 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: Like I said, this is the part that I'm focused on. 323 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: I think it's where we have the most change. You know, 324 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: to the point that you kind of discovered as you 325 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: were talking about, like um through through politics were just 326 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, slowing down the inevitable Um, I constantly kind 327 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: of reference back to Socrates who said, focus all your 328 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: energy not on fighting the old, but I'm building the 329 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: new right, and so like, um, you know, being in California, 330 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: I mean, the school systems here are just a disaster. 331 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: Like you do not want your kids in the school 332 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: system at all. And um, you know, my wife originally 333 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: wanted to get involved and start going to the school 334 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: board meetings and she's getting other parents and they're doing 335 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: all these things, and it's just like, what a waste 336 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: of time, effort, and energy where we could take a 337 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: fraction at that time. And to your point, you already 338 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: kind of said, like why not start a home school pod? Right? 339 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: And then and then and then what an opportunity. I mean, 340 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: you've got teachers, some of our friends that our teachers 341 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: are just disgusted with what they have to teach the 342 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: kids these days, and they're making whatever fifty sixty a year. 343 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: You can grab ten students and make more money just 344 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: doing a home school pod than you could being a teacher, 345 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: you know. And and so there's an opportunity to make money, 346 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: and you have an opportunity to change the world at 347 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: the same time. I want to talk more about that, 348 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: and we'll we'll talk maybe some of these different things 349 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: that you um see some opportunity to see within there. 350 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: If you're just tuning in, you're listening to the Mark 351 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: Moa Show of course, we talked about the decentralized Revolution, 352 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: how the world is swinging from a centralized world to 353 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: a decentralized world. Nietzsche said that which is falling, shall 354 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: ye also push? And we're pushing on that at im 355 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: in studio with John and we are talking about that. 356 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: We'll be back with more in a minute, um, talking 357 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: about the parallel economy, what it is, how you can 358 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: profit from it, how you can change the world. It's 359 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: gonna be exciting. Don't go away. We right back, all right, 360 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: welcome back. If you're just tune in, you're listening to 361 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: the Mark mos Show of course, each every week talking 362 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: about the de centralized Revolution. I'm in the studio now 363 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: with John Bush, the founder of the Live Free Academy, 364 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: producer of the Greater Reset event happening in Austin January 365 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: twenty second. I'll be there speaking the Greater Reset dot org. 366 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: You can check it out. Um, John, let's let's tag 367 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: more into this parallel economy. It's just so exciting. So, um, 368 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: politics is a waste of time and effort and energy. 369 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: You're only slowing it down. Um, you have the exit 370 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: and build strategy, So like, let's exit these legacy institutions 371 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: of education, finance, health, politics, etcetera, and then go build 372 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: alternatives to those. So just like we can exit watching 373 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: CNN and we can start our own podcast or YouTube channel, 374 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: all right, can exit public education and create a homeschool 375 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: pod and we can talk about that. But Um, while 376 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: that helps the people that participate in it, and while 377 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: it also helps maybe um cushion the blow for the 378 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: inevitable collapse that that's probably coming. Um, does how how 379 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: do you see it actually changing the system doing good? 380 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: As opposed to you? You call it escapism whatever, So like, 381 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: how does it actually change create change that way? Well, 382 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, my views have evolved in my strategy is 383 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: ever changing. Although I'm pretty sure this excellent build thing 384 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: is the way, right like the Mandalorian this this is 385 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: the way? Um? But but is that is that? Is 386 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: that through just getting so many people to escape the 387 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: one system and then into a new system. So like 388 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: if if I'm here at my studio and I got 389 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of people here and I'm like, hey, you're 390 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: too loud, you go outside, and hey, I don't like 391 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: you go outside. And eventually I kicked so many people 392 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: outside that I have no control over them because now 393 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: they have their own event going. And as it wasn't 394 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: more like that. Well, basically, I'm not interested in saving everybody, 395 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: and uh, I have. I'm a compassionate person, but most 396 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: of the public in this world, especially in the United 397 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: States of America, they don't want the freedom that I'm seeking. 398 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: So our hope is to find enough people, and I 399 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: believe enough of us are already out there. If we 400 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: just simply shifted our focus away from the reactionary nature 401 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: of politics and social media towards the proactive exit and 402 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: build strategy. Working together with other people, I do believe 403 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 1: we can achieve liberty in our our lifetime, or at 404 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: least we can set the stage for our children, or 405 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: perhaps one generation beyond our children, uh, to experience real freedom. 406 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: It's going to take strength in numbers. We've already assembled 407 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: over thirty five thousand people, many of whom are working together. 408 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: Many of them are already opted out completely. My friend 409 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: Derek lives in Mexico. He doesn't pay taxes, he doesn't 410 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: have bank accounts, he exists solely on cryptocurrency. So it's possible. 411 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: It's just to take time, and I want to encourage 412 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: people to adopt the long view of history and not 413 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: for not to expect us to do this overnight. The 414 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: faster that you do it with the true opt out, 415 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: which is true independence, which in some cases you may 416 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: have to defy some of these unjust laws, the more 417 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: risk you put yourself at. So I'm I'm after a slow, methodical, 418 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: gradual building of the systems and the institutions necessary to 419 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: insulate us from harm once we do inevitably declare our independence. 420 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: But like I said, not everybody wants to go along. 421 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: People are frightened to death of the personal responsibility that 422 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: comes with true freedom. I don't want to take away 423 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: the comfort that they may find in government. So we're 424 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: really just looking out for people that think like we do, 425 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: and again, hopefully we're able to create an alternative system 426 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: that's appealing to those people because they see how happy, 427 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: healthy and prosperous we are, and and that's such a 428 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: that's such a great thing. It's like and and that's 429 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: really I think the difference between the two models is like, 430 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: let me go model this for you and hopefully it's 431 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: attractive enough that you want to join, versus politics wants 432 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: to force you to comply, right, And that's the difference, 433 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: Like we're not trying to force anybody anything, but like, hey, 434 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: let's go show you this model that might be attractive. 435 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: The other thing I would say is, of course I 436 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: agree with you on the fact that not everybody wants this, 437 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: and so um Samuel Adams said it doesn't take a 438 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: majority to prevail, rather a small I rate minority. And 439 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: so we have to understand that the majority the masses, 440 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,239 Speaker 1: they don't know what they want, they don't think about it, 441 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: they don't care about it, they just go along with whatever. 442 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: In Dr Matais Desmond's work on the uh mass formation psychosis, 443 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: he talks about how, um, there's of the people that 444 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: are just gonna go along with whatever, and then at 445 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: the bottom that will always resist it, and there's that 446 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: in the middle. Um. And so you know, if you 447 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: look at the revolution of the United States, um, the 448 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: American Revolution, it was a very small minority that that 449 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: pushed that revolution. And so I look at it like 450 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: to to your point, most people aren't paying attention, most 451 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: people don't care, most people don't want it. But we 452 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: can go do this for the masses, right, I think 453 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: we can influence it. But I would say, um, the 454 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: way that I view it is is maybe a little 455 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: bit bigger um in a sense where obviously I agree 456 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: with you, but it's not just escapism. Um. The way 457 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: I see it is that you know, I agree that 458 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: voting at the polls is a waste of time, but 459 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: I do believe the most important vote we have is 460 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: with our our money, maybe our feet, our feet as well. Right, 461 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: So California has a mass exit, is uh, Florida's the 462 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: main beneficiary for example, we can vote with our feet. Uh. 463 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: Tesla left California. They went to Texas. So voting with 464 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: your feet, but also voting with your money. And so 465 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: what I'm seeing and I'm super super positive about, is 466 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: like black Rock, you know, evil empire, if you will, right, 467 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: taking all these people's pensions and then basically using it 468 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: against them, right, pushing E s G policies and things 469 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: like that. And now I think we have six states 470 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: that have pulled all their money away from black Rock, 471 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: and now like eighteen States are suing banks over E 472 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: s G policies and now Black Rocks on the defensive. 473 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: Right now, they're like putting up pr whoa, whoa, whoa, wha. 474 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: We're not as evil as you think we are. Um. Now, Vanguard, 475 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: the number two pension funds that they have now abandoned 476 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: their entire net zero goals. Right, and so just look 477 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: at so we have corporations that really affect more change 478 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: than policies potentially, right. Um, so we have you know, 479 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: the Coca Colas and the Disneys that have gone woke 480 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: and they're listening to the Twitter mob if you will. 481 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: But when customers actually start pulling money away from them, 482 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,239 Speaker 1: that's when they'll really change. And so if we can 483 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: pull money away from Black Rock, they'll before so change. 484 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: If we can pull money away from T Mobile, uh, 485 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: go to my Patriot mobile, T Mobile will be changed. 486 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: And So I think by opting out, by taking our 487 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: money with us, I think you could. I think you 488 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: can make massive change. I think it could happen actually 489 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: really quickly. Yeah, I'm with you for sure. And money, 490 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: money talks money. There's a lot of power in money 491 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: and where people put their money. So it's up to 492 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: each and every one of us to do everything we 493 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: can to live as consistently with our values as possible. 494 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of conscious lifestyle design, so becoming 495 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: aware of what pieces, what components of our life we 496 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: are not in alignment with our integrity, And of course 497 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,719 Speaker 1: the type of corporations you to do business with has 498 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: a lot to do with that. So but again, you know, 499 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: against politics, this is like a culture change that's happening, 500 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: and so I do see value in waking people up, communication, 501 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: having outlets like you do with this radio show, social 502 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: media promotion to try to shift the culture, and then 503 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: oftentimes the businesses follow, and then ultimately politics follows beyond that. 504 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: But what we're trying to do is like I'm not, 505 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: I'm very impatient guy. Uh as far as what I'm 506 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: spending my time on, I do see that it's going 507 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: to take a long term, but there's certain shortcuts we 508 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: can take to experience greater freedom and prosperity in our 509 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: lives right now, and hopefully enough of us are starting 510 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: to get this. I think COVID kind of awakened a 511 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: sleeping giant. To be honest, I think they overplayed their 512 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: hand and now there's more and more people that are 513 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: questioning things, seeing the E S. G. Sk AM concerned 514 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: about the Central bank digital currencies than ever before. Yeah, 515 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: I want to talk about that, you know, as I 516 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: as I as I've kind of said, and I say 517 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: every every week on my show, is that, Um, it's 518 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: really technology that changes the world more than anything. If 519 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: you look back to thousands of years of history, small 520 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: little technical technological shifts create massive change. Printing press, the 521 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: printing press obviously a big one, and there's lots of them. 522 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: I mean you can look at even like a little 523 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: one like uh, you know, forever we've had horses and 524 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: the Roman Empire they rode horses and got off to fight, 525 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: and then they invented a stirrup, and then because of 526 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: the stirrup, now they could actually fight on the horse. 527 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: And that allowed the entire feudal system to get built 528 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: up because now a night on a horse could now 529 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: handle a hundred surfs, right, Um, But then fift hundred 530 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: you had the gunpot of revolution, and now one serf 531 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: could take out a hundred nights. And like that, one 532 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: technological shift change the world, um, And I believe bitcoin 533 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: is doing that. But also we have c b dcs 534 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: and so we have technology, social credit score systems, health passport, 535 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, checkpoints, and the c B d c s 536 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: appeared to be the last piece they need to bring 537 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: all that together. I gotta take a quick break, but 538 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: when I come back, I want to dig into the 539 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: c B d C piece and get your opinion if 540 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: you think that's really what kind of brings us back together. Um, 541 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: you know how bad it is, what it can do, Um, 542 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: how close we are maybe to it. And then more importantly, 543 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: I think you kind of have a plan of a 544 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: way to kind of opt out, push back and maybe 545 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 1: stop it. And uh, I've I've made some comment content 546 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: saying I think this is the battle for the fate 547 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: of humanity over this point. It's that big. So you 548 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: listen to the Mark Mo Show. I'm in the studio 549 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: with John Bush. We're gonna talk about CBDCs when we 550 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: come back. You don't want to miss it. Don't go 551 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: away and we'll be right back. All right, welcome back. 552 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: If you just tune in, you're listening to the Mark 553 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: Mo Show. We're talking about each and every week, of course, 554 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: the decentralized Revolution. I'm in the studio with a John 555 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: Bush where he is the founder of the Live Free Academy. 556 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: You should check that out. Also the producer co producer 557 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: of the Greater Reset event that's coming up to search 558 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: a Greater Reset event dot org. I'm speaking there in 559 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: Austin next week. And he's the co founder of the 560 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: Freedom Sell network Freedom Lovers working together. So you know, 561 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: it's it's the world's changing fast and a lot of 562 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: us have lost friends, maybe even connection to family over 563 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: over what's going on. And having a core community is 564 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: so important. And that's why I run lots of live 565 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: events because you need to come. I need to meet people, 566 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 1: you need to make new friends. UM. I've been kind 567 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: of having this realization that I think we should be 568 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: changing our friends as we go through life because we 569 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: should be evolving. And that's a whole different story, um, John, 570 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: Before the break, we were talking about how technology really 571 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: is what reshapes the world. I've I've had many talks 572 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: talking about this battle for the fate of humanity that 573 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: I think is brewing this decade where if um, you know, 574 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: we get this Chinese social credit score system, UM, we 575 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: already know, um that social media networks use manipulation to 576 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: change the information that we see to indoctrinate us, censor 577 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,479 Speaker 1: us obviously keep us apart um. Then they put in 578 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: this like health passport system, which the G twenty just 579 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: recently met on and agreed that they want to do 580 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 1: this for the top twenty countries UM. And it seems 581 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: to me the last pieces the CBDC controlling the money 582 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: UM and programmable money. And if they get all of 583 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: that together and implemented, which is still a far off, 584 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: but it's not that far off. If that were to happen, man, 585 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: it could make the chance of another revolution very difficult, 586 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: if not almost impossible, like this matrix type world. UM. 587 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the c b d CS. What 588 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: you think about that? And uh, is that the piece 589 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: that ties us all together? Yeah? So those three pieces, 590 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: the social credit score system, vaccine passport which was really 591 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: like a control of your freedom of movement, and of 592 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: course they're trying to implement the world economic forms pushing 593 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: this personal carbon allowance, so like every month they allowed 594 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: a certain number of carbon credits. Right. I think that's 595 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: what they'll use the vaccine passport infrastructure for. And then 596 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: of course the central bank digital currencies, and I think 597 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: the piece that's missing. There is the digital I D 598 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: that's it will tie together for this. I wish I 599 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: could say trifecta, but there's four pieces. I don't know 600 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: what word to use for that. But um, I think 601 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: it's a lot of it's a lot of problems if 602 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: all of that gets implemented, and um, like I said, 603 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: I've been studying this conspiracy for twenty years, but back 604 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: then it was like, we need to speak out, we 605 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: need to wake people up because they're trying to set 606 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: up this new world order. Well fast forward fIF twenty 607 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: years and now the technology exists to really set up 608 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: a digital feudal system that, as you pointed out correctly, 609 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: could stop the cycle of revolutions. That's how I view 610 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: history is in terms of revolutions and the challenge that 611 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people that will overthrow the ruling class 612 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: only to become the ruling class themselves, which is why 613 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: we need to abandon this state altogether and utilize these transparent, 614 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: decentralized systems as a means of social organization. But I'm 615 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: with you, I'm very concerned about the central bank bank 616 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: digital currencies. It's not a question of if it's going 617 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: to happen. It's a question of when. So one thing 618 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: I'm trying to teach my community is some proactive steps 619 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: we can all take now bitcoin, Bitcoin being a huge piece, 620 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: so we can preemptively opt out of that matrix system. 621 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna do about the income 622 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: tax and property tax, because those most definitely you're gonna 623 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: be you're gonna be forced to pay those in these 624 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: stinking CBDCs. But other than that, we can start building 625 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: these parallel economies now in order to already have trade 626 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: relationships with other people that are looking to reject this system. 627 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: And why do you look at I mean so, uh, 628 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: you know a lot of people think, um that you know, 629 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: fiat money has as run its course. Uh you know, 630 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: we have thirty one trillion dollars in debt, We've you know, 631 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: hundreds of trillions of dollars of fiat currency has been created. 632 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: It's created all these distortions, inflation and socio economic problems, etcetera. Um, 633 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: and we're at the end of this hunted your sovereign 634 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: debt bubble. And uh, you know, fiat money is dying, 635 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: which it always does, always trends back to zero. And 636 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: the governments are gonna save everything, We're gonna move us 637 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: on to a CBDC system, And I'm like, it's still 638 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: fiat currency. There's nothing different. And over of all transactions 639 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: are done digitally anyway. I hate to admit I don't 640 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: care a lot of cash. I just use my debit 641 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: cards and credit cards. Right, So we're already using digital 642 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: and so is the CBDC any different. Well, the big difference, 643 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: of course, is that it's gonna be programmable, so there's 644 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: like smart contract technology that will be utilized. Not all 645 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: CBDCs are even gonna be blockchain technology. They're most definitely 646 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: not gonna be decentralized. I think there's a bit of 647 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: a misnomber with a lot of people's thinking on that front. 648 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: But the big difference is the ability to track and surveil. 649 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: So now if you use your credit card and debit 650 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: card for everything, sure visa Bank of a America. They 651 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: are able to keep tabs, but it's not centralized. And 652 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: if the federal government wanted to come snoop in your transactions, 653 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: the would at least have to do a little bit 654 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: of work, maybe a subpoena here or there, or just 655 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: backdoor into whatever major institution or whatever tech company. Right, 656 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: but with the central bank digital currencies, it's possible that 657 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: they circumvent commercial banks altogether. And there's a direct relationship 658 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: between the FED, which is like evil you know, enemy 659 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: number one, the evil empire and the individual. And then 660 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: on top of that the programmable nature. They do not 661 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: have the ability at this points to issue reverse interest 662 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: rates to try to stimulate the economy. So that's like 663 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: if we're having a slow economic quarter, for example, all 664 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: of a sudden, put a little ticker on your money, 665 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: so maybe every day it loses a percentage of its 666 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: value or something. This is already happening with inflation, but 667 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: it will be a little more public and in your face. 668 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: And then, of course, as we saw with the Canadian 669 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: trucker movement, this freedom convoy, even people that didn't participate, 670 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: they simply contributed financially to a peaceful freedom movement. They 671 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: were locked out of their banks. And so I think 672 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: the central bank digital currency, coupled with the digital i D, 673 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: coupled with the social credit score, coupled with this vaccine, passport, infrastructure, 674 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: checkpoint Charlie society, it's been called um that will make 675 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: it a lot easier to control people and to give 676 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: them a disincentive to speaking out against the status quo. 677 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 1: I think that's my big concern, and that's not something 678 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: that they can do so easily. Now, yeah, yeah, I 679 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: mean that the programmable money pieces is not to be overlooked, right, So, 680 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: um to your point, I mean, with enough you know, 681 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: subpoenas or just whatever backdoor snooping, they can kind of 682 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: get access to information. It's not super easy versus programming 683 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: up front. So you already mentioned some of these carbon 684 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: score tracking things like master cards working on ways that 685 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: you can track your carbon score, so you know, you're 686 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: only allowed allotted so many you know, so much carbon 687 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: score and if you get over that, then your money 688 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: doesn't work anymore. You can't buy certain things. You can't 689 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: buy a plane ticket, or you can't buy red meat 690 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: or something like that, or um to your point. You know, hey, John, 691 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: you're saving way too much money, you're hoarding so you 692 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: have a negative interest rate, or mark you're not saving 693 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: enough will give you a positive interest rate. All types 694 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: of societal behavioral changes, you know, appropriations, um, reparations, all 695 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: things like that, or just you know, hey, smoking is 696 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: no good and you can't buy cigarettes anymore. Hey, nothing 697 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: good happens after midnight, and your money doesn't work up 698 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: from midnight. I mean, who knows, right, who knows where 699 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: that can go? But they programmed that in and so 700 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: that's that's the big difference as opposed to trying to 701 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: do this like long work around. Um, would you say 702 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: that cb dcs are a threat to bitcoin? Yeah? So, 703 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: I honestly think the CBDC thing has been um accelerated 704 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: because bitcoin and cryptocurrency are growing so rapidly. So there 705 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: is a chance that they further escalate their efforts to regulate, 706 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 1: if not prohibit bitcoin. Now, a lot of people are 707 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: just they're falsely believing they're just gonna ban bitcoin. Therefore, 708 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get involved. And in fact, a lot 709 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,439 Speaker 1: of I think a lot of people make excuses about 710 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: bitcoin because they feel insecure about their technological capabilities, and 711 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: so they'll just say like they'll shut the Internet down 712 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: or e M P, or they'll just make it illegal. 713 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: Of course, we have to take into account that there's 714 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: governments that are competing with one another. Right, so if 715 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: bitcoin is made illegal in the United States of America, 716 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: all of the industry innovation and taxing opportunity will be 717 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: exported to Europe or wherever, although we're Europe seems a 718 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: lot more hostile bitcoin anyway. So to answer your question, 719 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 1: I think it'd be a big challenge for the CBDC 720 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: system if Bitcoin continues to operate outside of that system. 721 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: But it's up to each and every one of us 722 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 1: to do what we can to grow that network right now? Yeah, great, great, 723 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: All right, um. I think that CBDCs will help Bitcoin 724 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: adoption because people will see the contrast and want to 725 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: jump onto it. We'll have to see. You're listening to 726 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: the Mark moshawb in a studio with John Bush. We're 727 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: talking about the Greater Reset event I'm gonna be speaking at. 728 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: Check it out Greater Reset dot org. Also check out 729 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 1: Market Disruptors Virtual dot com for an event I'm doing, 730 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: and we'll put links to all John stuff in the 731 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: show notes. That's what we got. Thanks so much for listening.