1 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: M hm hm. Welcome back to another edition all the Smoke. Jack. 2 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: We got a good one today, one of the best shows, 3 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: if not the best show on TV. Man uh inside 4 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: of the NBA. We got our brother Kenney Smith here today. Yes, sir, 5 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: how are you? I mean, this is the best time 6 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: of the year. I know you're back and forth shooting 7 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. You're in l A right now. It's the 8 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: best time, like for a fan, right for a fane. 9 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 1: That grind when I get there, I'm fine, but you know, 10 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: going back and forth. I'm in l A as you know, uh, 11 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: going back and forth to a and that's a grime. 12 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: But I mean, this is the best time of year 13 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: in terms of watching it. I've been a fan of 14 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: basketball before I was even good at it. I was 15 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: always a fan. I was a dude who like if 16 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: you you put up a poster and then you just 17 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: saw it like an arm and I'm like, oh, that's 18 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: I can tell everything. So that Yeah, this is a 19 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: great time. How is it balancing life? Obviously you're au 20 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: dad as well. You have a whole family here in 21 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: l A. But you're constantly moving forward your job. You 22 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: always do what you want, like you could always make 23 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: time for what you want to Like, it's never doesn't 24 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: feel heavy until it's something you don't want to do, Like, 25 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, I gotta get back to a you practice. 26 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: I want to do that, so that don't feel heavy. 27 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: You tell me I have to be at a production 28 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: meeting at seven. I'm like, man, that's a long ass 29 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Like yeah, so you always you know, family, friends, relationships, 30 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: It's like, it's never heavy when you want to do it. 31 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: For really, you've been in a few movies. You've got 32 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: an up and coming movie called Hustle with Adam Sandler 33 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: put a disclaim out. First of all, I've always been 34 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: in movies as myself, Like I come in, Oh, there's 35 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: Kitty Spif and he says this, this is the first 36 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: time I'm in a movie, and uh, the Hustle is 37 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: like the movie Hustle is a different animal from me 38 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: because I never had aspiration to be an actor. I 39 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: know what I saw the episode where you had to act. 40 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: I never So I got a call from Adam and 41 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: me and him were cool. We don't know each other 42 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: where we tech text and call. Now we do, but 43 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: then at that time we didn't. And he says that, man, 44 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: I got this movie. It's a it's a drama t 45 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: and uh, I got a part from you. It's a 46 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: basketball movie. I think you'd be good in it. I'm like, 47 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: I just send a script over. In my mind, I'm like, 48 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: He's like, it's in the pandemic. You're gonna have to 49 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: spend like ten days and before you quarantine and that. 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: Send it over. So I'm looking through the script. I 51 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: see guys in it. I called him back. I'm like, 52 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: I don't see my name in it. He's like, now 53 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: you're Leon. I'm like, Leon, got thirty two pages a dialogue. Bro, 54 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: I've never acted. And I was like, I'm no. He's like, no, 55 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: you'd be great at it. I know you'll be good. 56 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: Just I'll get So I had to acting coach Jack 57 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: like a whole and so I told him right there, 58 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: I said, hold on, let me think about it, because 59 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: I know how serious he takes this, like he's a 60 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: pro at this, like I'm not a pro at it. 61 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: And I knew it was going to take a real 62 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: commitment because I played his best friend in the movie. 63 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: So I was like, I called back. I talked to 64 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: my my daughters there there in the business, they act 65 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: and they're they're actors, and they were like, you gotta 66 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: do it. You just can't people die for this part. 67 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: And I was like, I call him back. I was like, 68 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: all right, I want to do it, but I gotta 69 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: I need who's the acting coach. I was doing two 70 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: three hours a day. She they scheduled me for like 71 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: an hour, and I always told him to do double 72 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: because I just wanted to be on point. I just 73 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: said I didn't want it to feel like I was 74 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: like the only one on sat that. You know, it's 75 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: Queen the Tiefer's in the movie. You know, it's just 76 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: real actors like that, people who have done it. So 77 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: I just wanted to be ready. Did you enjoy it? 78 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: It was different. I did enjoy it, hundred percent. Enjoyed it. 79 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: Uh you know. We shot in Majorca, Spain, shot at Philly, 80 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: shot in New York, you know, all over there. It 81 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: was just crazy. But it's like a vulnerability that I 82 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: didn't know that you needed. Like like now, like when 83 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: we're talking, you look away, you kind of the cameraman here, 84 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: you look over here, and but when you're acting, you 85 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: just talk to the person you never lose eye contact with. 86 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: And so I never talked to anybody where I don't 87 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: lose eye contact them for a minute. So that was 88 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: like a little uncomfortable. So I had to break out 89 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: of that. I do it now, it doesn't even bother 90 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: I'm not do it now. I can look at people 91 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: with but it takes a different vulnerability to do stuff 92 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: like that. And my first scene was like a you know, 93 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: they don't shoot in order, So my first seed is like, 94 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: he's almost crying and I gotta I was like, and 95 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: the girls are dancing over the sideline, like, what's happened 96 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: to that? Se? So Hustle comes out soon on Netflix. 97 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: You guys enjoy this teaser. Yeah, this moments, man, I 98 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: saw it. That wasn't him, that wasn't even close to him. 99 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: It's my fault. I rushed this whole thing. Remember our 100 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: freshman year when we were playing a gaza and they 101 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: put John Stockton on me. You're like, watch out for 102 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: this guy, and I was like, does nobody look like 103 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: a damn insurance salesman gonna bust my ass? Mad way 104 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: through the second half two twenty assists, None of y'all 105 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: would look at me. Remember that? Of course I remember that. 106 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: Do you ever remember me playing like that again. No, 107 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: because I never want to feel like feeling again. So 108 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: tonight is a good thing. And nothing was good about that, 109 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: believe me. Also got a book coming up. Talk to 110 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: us about that. It happened. Actually, I used to say 111 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: I want to write a book, and I never I 112 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: always said I could write a good article, I can't 113 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: write a book like and then uh, you know, the 114 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: whole social justice thing happened. And when I walked off 115 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: the set, I was sitting on you know, with when 116 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: Floyd happened, and I was sitting on there, and I'm 117 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: looking at what's going on, and the players are like 118 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: walking out and they said they're not gonna play, and 119 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: and I went into I went into to work that 120 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: day and I was it was on my mind. It 121 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: wasn't like if it's on everybody's heart in their mind. 122 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: And I'm walking through and I'm like guy at the gate, 123 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: Hey Kenny, how you doing? Guy who comes and greets 124 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: me to let me in, Hey Kenny, the girl does 125 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: make up. Hey we're gonna I said, damn, everything is 126 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: the same, like none to happen, so I can't be 127 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: here today. So I just thought I was like I 128 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: can't just be a talking head on TV, you know, 129 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: and just come out like and this. I'm like, I 130 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: gotta join the March dudes of March. I was like, 131 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna join the players. I'm not, I can't be here. 132 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: And I walked off and from then my phone rang 133 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: like a week later. It's like, you need to write 134 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: a book or why you did it, how you did 135 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: and how you got there. And then all of the 136 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: things I started started flushing out of me. I was like, 137 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: that's why I did it. I was like, oh, when 138 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: I heard my Bill Russell told me this back in 139 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: when I was in my coach and but I was like, 140 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: that's and then so the book is about and I 141 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: wrote it kind of to my kids in a sense. 142 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: It's to all the people I met over my life 143 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: that were great and what I took from them and 144 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: I wish I had known and now at five, if 145 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: I know now at so I'm giving it to everybody, 146 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: like from Bill Russell, Michael Jordan's to Dean Smith too. 147 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: Uh a good friend of mine. Guy Oh Serry who 148 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: who's biggest guy in entertainment, slept on my couch when 149 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: he was seventeen. Uh, guy named David Kohler. Kohler is 150 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: the plumbingu He was a we went to college, well, 151 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: he went to Duke, I went to I was at 152 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: Chapel Hill and he stayed with me the summer. I 153 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: didn't know this guy from him and he's just got 154 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: one of the biggest plumbing companies. And what's just like 155 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: the people I ran into. I'm like, damn, you know, 156 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: so it's just all the things I took from them. Yeah, 157 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: born and raising Queens NYC. Talk about queens and what 158 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,559 Speaker 1: it was like in the seven is growing up? Oh, man, 159 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: queens more eighties? Brother, I know, you know, seventies and eighties. 160 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: Man bottom on seven saying I was going to seven. 161 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: Say let's say less. But New York is like it's 162 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: basketball man, Like oh, people always say, like the New 163 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: York players have New York had the best. We have 164 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: that l a Chicago and maybe used to be that 165 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: way back in your back in your childhood. Know what 166 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: the best players of California now best players. I'm telling 167 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: you I had the best dribblers for a long time. 168 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: They have the motherckers. Couldn't hear the house of day 169 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: was in the kid listening ball I never lost. When 170 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: I was on the I would I went seventy two 171 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: and one and like four years, like I love the 172 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: one game and I'm the only one myself at olden 173 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: polities who made it Like we had What I always 174 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: say about New York, I was like, we don't have 175 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: the best players never, but we always have the guys 176 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: who shouldn't make it making. We have those guys because 177 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: they there's an understanding and a love for the game 178 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: that's different. Meaning I always said, guys from other cities 179 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: when we used to go places like, oh, he scored 180 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: thirty and be like, that's not the first question we asked, 181 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: Like the first question we always asked is did you win? 182 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: The second question we always asked, how did you guard 183 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: your man? Did your guy your ask Like that's a 184 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: that's always the first two questions. So when guys when 185 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: I went to other places, they'd be like, I had 186 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: thirty today, So they always had a precedence on scoring. 187 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: Where guys I grew up with, you know, or even 188 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: from our every like Ray for Austin, Let's say, like 189 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: he could dominate the game without scoring, you know, So 190 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: we never That's why guys I thought made it who 191 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: shouldn't make it. Morm Jackson, can't jump, can't shoot, show 192 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: us help played twenty years in the league and let 193 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: the NBA history and scoring those that's those are the 194 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: guys that right, those are the guys guys who they 195 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: should be playing d one they make it, y'all guys 196 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: in l A, y'all got dudes. Y'all got them dudes 197 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: like you got you know when you you got the 198 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: dudes that like where are you? You got you some 199 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: people out that way question we had, We had the mode. 200 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: We had six guys in the Ad Hobson game from Sexy. 201 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 1: They're they're just guys who like they can't miss prospects. 202 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: We didn't we didn't have the can't miss prospects all 203 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: the time, but we had those guys who just shouldn't 204 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: make it. Yeah, like just like why is he in 205 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: the league? You know? But my brother, honestly was a 206 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: big part of that culture. My brother Vince, he brought 207 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: an AU team when they think they were eight nine 208 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: years old, and it was ray for Speedy Claxton, Lamar, 209 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: Eric was Eric Barley, like all of these dudes like 210 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: they were all on this church. No no, but he 211 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: this is we were called See. He coached them from 212 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: third grade and then he would send them to those 213 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: au teams. But from third grade and night every day 214 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: they were all in my house like all these kids. 215 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, where do you find these kids like this? 216 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: And he's like, Kenny, I always find the kids. But 217 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: if I wanted more than they do, I never work 218 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: him out. And he had a runabout maybe twenty guys 219 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: that made the league. The same kids you're talking about, though, 220 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: Kenny was. We was fearing them when we was high school. 221 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: The church was Lamar Old him Elm brand On. That's 222 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: the older ones once they got older. But if you say, well, 223 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: you asked Lamar like who taught you how to play? Him? 224 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: Vincent Smith, you asked sham Guard who taught me how 225 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: to play? He's like, oh, Kenny Smith brother? You who 226 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: taught me how to play? Like Kenny Smith brother? Like 227 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: he was Kenny Anderson. You asked them who told him 228 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,599 Speaker 1: hoout to play like? And you think about this that 229 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: you set the top ball handlers ever in the history 230 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: of basketball. They go sham Ray, Kenny Anderson. They all 231 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: played for my brothers. That's it's a similar side. And 232 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: Lamar it is really just a bigger versions because they 233 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: all play, they all have that. That's that's my brother. 234 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: He had that. He had that God Mighta's touch. They 235 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: used to call him Mighty stuff one. It was crazy. 236 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: One time I'm sitting there, I'm going on the airport 237 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: and I had, you know, I'm going to the airport 238 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: and Limo rolls down and it's it's ditty. He's like, yo, 239 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: Kenny Man. I'm like that, what's up? What's up? Puff? 240 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: Because he's puffed then he wasn't. It's like, what's up? Puff? 241 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: He's like, yo, your brother is a starmaker. Like right, 242 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta meet him. I'm like, damn music. 243 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,599 Speaker 1: He's like, he's like he's the star maker. That was 244 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: when did basketball coming in next? For you? Always like 245 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: we grew up like my household looked like we were. 246 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: We were listening to This is before cable and all 247 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: that and where you can see every game on TV. 248 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: We had the radio on. We listen to Marv Albert 249 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: Like I would be like, you know, Fraser brings the 250 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: ball across the mid car line. He passes over a role. 251 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: But I grew up with Marv Albert, so he brought 252 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: the texture of the game just through radio, and so 253 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: we listened to games. My pops. I cried when the 254 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: Knicks lost. I'll be sitting at home crying. Like I said, 255 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: I had everybody posted. I'd wait outside of Madison Square 256 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: Garden get autographs. You know, my personal autograph. Remember Bob 257 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: Love from the Bulls. He was the first guy to 258 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: stop give me an autographs all all the other guys. 259 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: Trash Love was real, the bean, butter Bean Love. He 260 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: was good. It was real small. He kind of played 261 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: like you. That's crazy, wasn't trash played like that? He 262 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: played like me. He was played like Bob. He was 263 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: like a six eight. He was one of sixt eight 264 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: slim handle the Rocks. Shoot. Yeah, he played like you 265 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: actually got out butter Bean. So but yeah, we were 266 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: a basketball family, so we love the sport. My mom 267 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: rest of souls. She was a sports fan. I called 268 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: my mom in the league, right, So, hey, what are 269 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: you doing that? Damn Derek j Ain't hitting Dan like 270 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: like just like she was that type of bomb. So 271 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: we always loved sports going in our house. So you 272 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: got a Showtime documentary coming point, guys, can you talk 273 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: about that? Yeah, it's the um, you know all all 274 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: the point Guards that came out of New York and um, 275 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: you know actually doing it with um Kevin Durant's company 276 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: produced it and brought and asked me to be part 277 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: of it. I was like sure, So I kind of 278 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: filled in some gaps and holes. Who the interview Once 279 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: they start, like I said, realize the connection that they 280 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: all have played on my a and with my brother, 281 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: it's like they're like, oh, can we get how do 282 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: we I was like, oh, you gotta interview him. He's like, yeah, 283 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: he played and they kept saying my name, saying yeah, 284 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: Kenny's brother Kenny. It was like, so the connection was 285 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: like you gotta ep it and like make sure we're 286 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: getting a story correct. But New York point Guards is 287 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: like a secret. Yeah, yeah, no secret. We we we 288 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: we give up. We'll give up our girl before we 289 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: give up the basket you have. You can't take this rock. 290 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: You know, those are the type of things that you know, 291 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: we dribbled through key holes and all of that. And 292 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: it's funny because I watched today's game from Kyrie and 293 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: Steph and they was like, oh, that's the best. I 294 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: was like, that's the stuff we did when we well 295 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: at home. It really was the way we played when 296 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: we were home, but we would never do it in 297 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: a game like everybody had the game wasn't ready for it. No, 298 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: it was like it was like you get pulled out, 299 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: like you get chastise for doing the stuff that guys 300 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: do today. But everybody had that in their repertoire. Everybody 301 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: like I'm like, like, no, that's not the best handle 302 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: I've seen, like ever, Like, no, Carrie's got a great 303 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: handle for the NBA, He's got the best, But no, 304 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: he's not the best handle I've seen. And who's the 305 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: best hand that you've seen? You feel like? And then 306 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: if then that skilled play like he know how to play, 307 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: was in the league and not trying to make him 308 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: play like a regular point guard the league, he would 309 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: have been so much better. Let me tell you, Skips handled. 310 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: So I didn't know Skip at Skip. I knew him 311 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: as Race because he was played for my AU team. 312 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: So I'm hearing, oh, you gotta go see Skip, tell 313 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: my louse, Skip, tell my loup. So literally I come back. 314 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: I'm working working out. I'm still in the league at 315 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: the time, so I'm working out and my brother brings 316 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: ray For to the gym and he's like, well, we 317 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: had to write a passage. So if you were the 318 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: younger kid, you had to always rebound for the pro 319 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: or the college dude. So the high school dudes were 320 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: reround for ray For and it's so on and so far. 321 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: So you had to and Rayfer when those guys were 322 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: rebound for me when I needed to work out, that 323 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: was the only job. So anyway, so Rafer was there 324 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: at the gym and he's working out and he's passing 325 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: me the ball and I'm like, after the game, after 326 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: I work out, I said, told my brother, I gotta 327 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: go up town to see this, you know, go see skipped. 328 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: But he knew it was skipped. I had no idea. 329 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: I go up town. Rayfer walks in the park and 330 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: the park goes crazy and I'm like, Ray, He's like, 331 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: I'm here to see to do skip. He's like, I'm skipped. 332 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: Like like what he's like. So he goes in and 333 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: he's doing all this stuff and I pulled him aside. 334 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 1: I said, Ray, why don't you do this in an 335 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: NBA game. He's like, no, you can't do this stuff. 336 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: And I'm real guy, I said, you could do it. 337 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: What you're doing against these dudes, you can actually do 338 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: so he and alim Um only to cut off. Yeah, 339 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 1: this always talked when we talked about I think we're 340 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: talking about the day I said, this is one guy 341 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: that was playground that could have played in the league 342 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: and dominated Alan. He was six six, handled like a 343 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: point guard. Alimo I know, he know. He grew up 344 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: in my uncle's building. Yeah, so my my uncle was like, 345 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: he was a hustler. He wasn't. He wasn't a drug dealer, 346 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,719 Speaker 1: was but he was a hustler. So he owned like 347 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: four or five buildings up in Harlem, and Alimo stayed 348 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: in one of them. So yeah, no question. So I'm 349 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: watching Ali play and I'm like, Ali, you could be 350 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: in the league. He's like, nah, Kenny, I don't think 351 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: I could be in the league. I'm like, no, Ali, 352 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: you could be in the league because he was better 353 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,479 Speaker 1: than Raper. And so I call it. I called this 354 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: is the first year the G League. The NBA now 355 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: in the G League, and so I get him a tryout. 356 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: He didn't go, really, he didn't go, and I called 357 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: him a week later, I'm like, he dodged. Do you 358 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: know when somebody dodged in your call. He never wanted 359 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: to do it. He's the same guy that he and 360 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: Ray Forer got the ticket to go to the college together, 361 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: and he decided to cash the ticket in and Rafer 362 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: went to a talk and became Ray for He would 363 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: have been he would have been in the league for sure. 364 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: Top five point guards ever ever New York, New York 365 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: point guards. All right, I'm in the top five, So 366 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: wed right, gotta put yourself in there now. I mean, 367 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: I'm the most unique in this sense. I was the 368 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: first guy who could shoot and you don't want to 369 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: want dunk contest too. Yeah, I was the only guy 370 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: who could shoot from New York like they I was, 371 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: and I made it a point to be a shooter. 372 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: I was like, because everybody was handling, I'm like, I'm 373 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: gonna shoot, I'm gonna learn how to shoot. You know, 374 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: you probably are not the only one. Yeah. And then 375 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: I that was in a contest called a Pepsi Hot Shot. Yeah. 376 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: I went from city to city and I went to 377 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: the finals of the Pepsi Hot Shot and that's what 378 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: I really learned how to shoot. Yeah, So without question, 379 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: so I'm I'm in there. I would say Kenny Anderson 380 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: is probably the top. He's the highest. I think he's 381 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: the best high school player I've ever seen ever, and 382 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: I've seen Lebron. I actually asked Tom Kachowski, who rests, 383 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: who was the guru of high school basketball? Who's the 384 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: best players? And he said Kenny Anderson. I said why 385 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: because he said he's six ft one and a hundred 386 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: ten pounds and doing what he does. Lebron was in 387 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: the kareem a different level. So Kenny Anderson step about 388 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: to say, did you see Stefani step step Steff was 389 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: really good in high school? Um, he was right below. 390 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: He was a notch with Low. He was a notch 391 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: low Pearl Washington in high school, he was a match. 392 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: It came too easy for Pearl, Like he was a 393 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: guy who got what's the guy from out here? Man? 394 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: He played with my nephew that got really good early. 395 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: Shake Cotton. He was shake cotton. He was always shake cotton. 396 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: He just but he made it. But he just got 397 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: good too early. You know, I'm not gonna go like 398 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: Bob Couzy and Jim Lenney wild because I didn't see 399 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: none of those guys play back in the day. Kareem 400 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: Read is really good, but he's not top five. Bogus 401 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: not top five. I would say mark to five question 402 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: five even high school because you said talk to talk. 403 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: They were like I always missed Charles and I'm always like, oh, like, 404 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: oh I'm a star. And you know they talked to 405 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: start talk on our show, Charleston. I'm like, first of all, 406 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: did you make mcdonalell american? Chuck hit him with He's like, no, 407 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: I would. By the way, I said, there's two dudes. 408 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: When he was voted top thirty five high school players 409 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: all time, I got a ball McDonald's yeah, it's me 410 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: a shot. We only want to top thirty five high 411 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: school players of ball time. Wait, wait, talk did you 412 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: when you college basketball player the year? Like now when 413 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: you play to you in your conference, like, okay, I'll 414 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: play to you. I said, you just got good late, 415 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: like I was good for eight years eight years run 416 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: when you were still trying to develop your game. You 417 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: got good when you was in your late twenties. Seventeen man, 418 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: But it's to carry that that that long, that long battle. Man. 419 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, so that was the top five. Funny, it's 420 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals and two teams are about to make 421 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: their mark on seventy five years of NBA history. One 422 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: second on the court can define the players legacy. One 423 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: shot can send a city to the top and give 424 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: bragging rights to every fan. One ring is at the 425 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: center of it all, and the stakes have never been 426 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: in hya from game one to seven, from rookie to legend, 427 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: from forty eight minutes to o t If it happens 428 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: to the NBA Finals, it's forever. Visit NBA dot com 429 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: slash Finals to learn more. So, as you mentioned McDonald's 430 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: All American, you end up choosing North Carolina. Who else 431 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: was in the mix for colleges? For college? I was 432 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: Duke and and um at school from Durham, we don't 433 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: say that name, and Virginia. Those are schools I visited. 434 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: But I always wanted to play in the a CEC 435 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: at that time. That was when the conference was to me, 436 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: the a CEC had the best conference. I want to 437 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: play against the best. But I chose North Carolina because 438 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: when I went to the practice and I saw Sam Perkins, 439 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: Brad Daugherty, Michael Jordan's I looked at it and I said, 440 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if I could play here. I was 441 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: a little nervous. I had never seen seven footage like 442 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: they had. They had they had Tim McDonald, all Americans 443 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: on the team mate. I was like, damn, I don't 444 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: know if I could play here. I said, I know, 445 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: I could go to Duke and play. I could play 446 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: it Vintinua And I said, I gotta go here because 447 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't be there thinking that they're better 448 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: than me. And so I wind up going at that time, 449 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 1: you know, which is now if you don't do I 450 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: was only the fifth freshman that ever start at the university. Like, 451 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: but now, if you don't start as a freshman, people 452 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: like yours. But that was unusual to start as a freshman, 453 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, for for me, So I chose North Carolina 454 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: because of that reason. Uh. And they had everything, like 455 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: all the schools like, oh we got a good academic school, 456 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: good social life. I was a good basketball like they 457 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: had everything. When I was it was like a movie. 458 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: You know, you see those college movies. You see like 459 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: the fraternities and kids walking through campus. It just it 460 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: just felt like a movie. I was like, this isn't real, 461 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: Like I'm coming from New York. It's like there's no campus. St. 462 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: John's doesn't have a campus, like really, Like so I 463 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: was like, they were like, they use the cities your campus. 464 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, I'm not. I would have had to 465 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: take the same bus that I took the high school 466 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: to take. I was like, nah, I can't. I'm not 467 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: having a bus pass. Yeah, I mean you're freshman year team, 468 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: to name a few, Michael, Jordan, Brad Doherty, Sam Perkins, yourself, 469 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: I mean, what were those practices? Like you know what 470 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: the crazy part was that now that wasn't a question 471 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: who was the best player. I'm gone, Sam Perkins was 472 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: the best player of my freshman year, like because Sam 473 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: was a four time All American that you know that 474 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't happen today any either, Like first team first team 475 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: for Sam was the best player. Michael was the most dynamic, 476 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: but he didn't have a handle. He couldn't handle the 477 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: rock like in college. No, he couldn't handle the rocks. 478 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: So like even even at times I'll be like, you 479 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: played up like I got Mike. You're like because I know, 480 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: I'm like I'm getting up under you like you can't 481 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: hand and what happened? And then and then and he's 482 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: the only guy that I know that his weaknesses that 483 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: he had at the end of his career wasn't stress. 484 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: The only person I've ever Lebron is not like that, 485 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: k D, no, nobody. He's the only one we at. 486 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: Then his handle was crazy and his jump shot was pure. 487 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: I said, how do you miss a jump shot? You 488 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: got a perfect form. But we talked about it and 489 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: I was like, this is not competitive. We talked about 490 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: competitive with Mike. So I used to say. I was like, 491 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: it's like, oh you CAINK you could go U. It's like, yeah, 492 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: because your hand was whack. I used to say, your 493 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: hands whack, I can call you and like, so now 494 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: we're doing that. We play and he goes to the Olympics, 495 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 1: comes back, goes to um to the league, comes back 496 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: for the summer because all the players, with every North 497 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: Carolina player, Kent came. But we all come back and play. 498 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: So the gym is the doodles, like it's like any 499 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: NBA team. We would have beat like in that gym 500 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: without questions. And he's he's going, I'm like, damn, gang guy. 501 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: He's like, my handle's been working on. But I forgot 502 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: said that. I forgot I said it and he's like, 503 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: my handles, right, he's something about my handle. But he 504 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: was like the stories are true about his competitiveness. Like 505 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: we were we were playing pick up one day. So 506 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: this is when you knew you made I made I 507 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: made it too, because the juniors and seniors, you know, 508 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: even at y'all school, probably picked the team. Yeah yeah, 509 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: right straight out of high school to Mexico, right, so 510 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: they picked I don't ca a lot of this is 511 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 1: how we're doing. So the pros go on one end 512 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: and they players college players go on the other, and 513 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: then you pick your team. But you could you could 514 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: pick the pros. You could cross over, so Michael went 515 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: or Sam whoever, they would have seen leaders and junior leaders. 516 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: They can pick the team. And the first day, you know, 517 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: you know, as a freshman, you're just sitting because they're 518 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: not picking me. So you get on the courter end. 519 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: So about two weeks later, about a week later, uh, 520 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: Michael's picking and he's like, I got uh, I got 521 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: New York. They used to call me New York. I 522 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: got New York. It's like, oh, shoot, I got picked first. 523 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: He's like, first, it's it's pros. In the gym, I 524 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's k I was like, so my 525 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: my confidence was boost So now we're playing right, And 526 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: we went in we went in games, and so every 527 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: time we went you know, you're gonna get water. And 528 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm watching Mike and he's standing in the middle of 529 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: center court. Like I walked up, like, yo, what are 530 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: you doing. He's like, I want the mother because they 531 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: know that I'm never leaving the court. I'm gonna be 532 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: the first to stand here in the last I was like, 533 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: all right, so we bothna what we're doing, how we're 534 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: doing it. I mean, he would like, I mean, he 535 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: was the first dude that I met that could back 536 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: up his trash like every day every day. Always always 537 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: a talker and always backed it up though, like and 538 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: he really took more pride, especially than his defense. He's like, 539 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: Walter Davis, she's not scoring today, you're not scoring the day, 540 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: Walter Davis like he That's the type of energy he 541 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: was on all the time. He and when he when 542 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: he got to the league. So we had dorms, and 543 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: our dorm numbers don't change. So if you had dorm 544 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: number eight, it's the same phone number next year. I'm 545 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: just a different person. So so all of when he 546 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: comes in town, this is before the Instagram, and he 547 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: you hear the phones go one and somebody hang up 548 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: and you just heard going out. So it's him. And 549 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: all he say is schools in session. So everybody coming 550 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: the hallway to be like, Mike's here, Mike's here, right, Mike, 551 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: So he going. He called each room to let her 552 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: know come to the gym. School session, so the gym 553 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: would be pat We got four thousand people watching our 554 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: pickup games. That's crazy, four thousand. It was, It was. 555 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: It was unbelievable that time basketball was different. There was 556 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: no Charlotte Haunets. So like people would and this is 557 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: no social media and people that all whole word of mouth, 558 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: and they would be four it would be four thousand 559 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: people when he came in the gym. I mean obviously 560 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: with his competitiveness and in his desire to get better 561 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: at the young age, did you see him possibly being 562 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: a great I knew he would be great. I never 563 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: thought he'd be the greatest because when I first saw him, 564 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: and then when I saw him when we even in practice, 565 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: like you don't like I guess it's like you have 566 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: a beautiful wife and you like take it for granted, 567 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: because she did. Every day you see, you see it 568 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: every moment. You know, you see every moment you know 569 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: a beautiful person you're around you you see their bad 570 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: side too, you see the days that they're being mood. 571 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: So for him, I saw those moments and I was like, 572 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: but then when he when he left and he came back, 573 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: I saw that the energy that he put into his game, 574 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: like he never stopped working. Man Like, his stuff is 575 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: not an accident. Like it's not like, oh he was gifted. No, 576 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: he was the most fundamentally sound player that ever played 577 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: the game. If you watch the videos, his his left 578 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: hand is in the correct pass in lane. His footwork 579 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: is unrepeppable. The offensively, you know, his job step is 580 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: he's the always ball move feats they still like all 581 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: of those things were all the time. And then he 582 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: was the best athlete. Most guys who were the athletic 583 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: didn't rely on you know, as great as even you 584 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: know and this is not not but as great as 585 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: Claude Drexler was. That was the difference between him and Mike. 586 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: To me, it's just the fundamentals of jab step and 587 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: that's you know, the stuff that Dean Smith learned. But 588 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: and it Mike gets a lot of it for like 589 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: his quotes, but it's just Dean Smith's quote. It's stolen. 590 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: It's just he just adds expletives everything everything that Coach 591 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: Smith said to us. That's what Mike said. I mean, 592 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: you you can pull it. It's every interview. It's plagiarism 593 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: to the finest. I mean speaking to Coach Smith, what 594 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: was it like some of the stories and memories you 595 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: have rest in peace. Obviously one of the greatest to 596 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: ever do it. Dean Smith, he was to me, it 597 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: was like planning for Gandhi mm hmm, like you know 598 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: what I mean. He was. It was a real about 599 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: his inner person who he was. My favorite story is 600 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: not even with me, it's uh, it's with Mac and 601 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: Ji who played at North Carolina. He was from Africa, 602 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: played that Michigan transferred in and the ok Yeah, he 603 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: went to Okill. So Mike Mac was, you know, having 604 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: a tough time in practice. So Roy Williams was assistant 605 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: coach at the time, and he's in Bill Guthridge and 606 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: so they're getting on Mac, like Mac, what's wrong with you? 607 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Coach Smith's never cussed ever. Excuse me, 608 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,719 Speaker 1: ever ever ever, never cussed. So they're getting on him 609 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: and so they throw him out of practice. Right, so 610 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: coach Smith have the practice, goes to him, says, Mac, 611 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: is everything all right? Like homesick like, and he's like, 612 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: no coach, and he's not. He's not looking at him. 613 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, Matt, look at me when I'm 614 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: talking to you. 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We would be the top class now 670 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: the way the game is played today. I don't think 671 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: we're underrated for that time, but for this time, Like 672 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: Reggie Miller would be picked second draft, Reggie Lewis would 673 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: be picked third. I would be took one because I 674 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: was the best in college out of all of them 675 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: dudes in college. You know what I'm saying. Scottie Pippen 676 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: would be four, you know they were, they were option. 677 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: Probably would still be one. He might be one, Yeah, 678 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: he still would be one because it would be a 679 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: unique big because he probably he probably would have stretched hand. 680 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: But game hardst Grant. You see what I'm saying. This 681 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: is we we were that era, this era. We were 682 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: just born in the wrong era. Like but that was 683 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: like a prototypical like two thousand two draft. You'd be 684 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: like you had a hell of a draft with them dudes, 685 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: because Reggie was shooting threes when there was no three 686 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: point lie like you know, it was bananas like he 687 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: he and Reggie Lewis, those guys were and and then 688 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: m Reggie Lewis and Reggie from Georgetown, Um Williams. Reggie 689 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: Williams was a six seven great three that would in 690 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: this today's game would be prototypical guy. Talk about the 691 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: state of the league at that time, We talked about 692 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: John Sally and said it was a really drug infestive 693 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: league around the time, and it was an image problem 694 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 1: around the time. Sea came in right on the cleanup. See, 695 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: I was like John is like two years older maybe 696 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: so he caught the last tale of it. When I 697 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: was in, it was like we wasn't doing what dudes 698 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: are doing the day, Like nah, up and smoke woudn't 699 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: exist broh, Like yeah, all the smoke, all the smoke 700 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't exists. Like and we were like they were like, 701 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: guys were cheap too, so our ever would you were 702 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,720 Speaker 1: first starting to make a million dollars, two million dollars, 703 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: They weren't blowing ten thousand dollars in the nightclub on liquor. 704 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: There wasn't. He was playing with Burning Maxwell. Now come on, 705 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 1: don't don't but I'm gonna tell you about Verne was 706 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 1: buying drinks. He wasn't buying bottles drinks. He wasn't. There 707 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: was no sparkless from him, There was no there was 708 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: no sparkless. There was no spark Vernon by ten shots. 709 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: He ain't really not buying the bottom, So no sparklers. No, 710 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 1: it was so we wanted to clean up. So guys 711 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 1: more than anything, they would you know, they would drink. 712 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 1: I said, you know, you would see. I thought it 713 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: was more like a drinking issue in the league where um, 714 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: but now you know it's yeah, well I didn't catch 715 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: the like the that whole coka. I grew up in 716 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: that growing up in New York City, Like you know, 717 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: you grew up in the crack. I grew up in 718 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: the crack erea. So it was like poverty and a 719 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: lot of money. You're just like it was like it 720 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: was between. It was noring between. I used to see 721 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 1: guys like literally overnight have pockets and like no like 722 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 1: duffel bags full of money. One of my one of 723 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: my boys, you know, the name Nameless, he's in there. 724 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 1: He's in that game. But he was a great basketball 725 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,879 Speaker 1: high school player, so you know, you know him because 726 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 1: he plays, but he was like a smooth hustler, so 727 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,919 Speaker 1: he didn't know he was really doing it. He has, 728 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: you know, he has a beautiful house, family, He throws 729 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: nice parties, no drugs scene. So he pulls me in 730 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: his garage one day and he's like Ken. I'm like, oh, 731 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: this's a nice car. Show him his cards and he's like, 732 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: you're my guy, so I gotta ask you if you 733 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: want to do this. So he opens you know that 734 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: you know the trash cans that you put out. He 735 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: opens two of them up and then fill with cash. 736 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: He's like, it's three hundred thousand in this one. It's 737 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: like four hundred in there. Just by way, I could 738 00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: tell if you give me two hundred fifty cash to 739 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: and write a check for two fifty, you could take 740 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: the bound because you could go into cashes. I can't 741 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 1: try to clean that money. I'm like where I'm from. 742 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 1: He's like, no, I just had to ask you though, 743 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: because I don't want to hear somebody here that you 744 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: didn't get a chance at this money and you're my guy. 745 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I don't get that, Like I don't 746 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: get that, Like I'm good. I was like, yeah, so 747 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: it's like like that was a hard note because you 748 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: see the it's like it's like six hundred thousand ills 749 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: in cash, like sitting there and like just give me 750 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,399 Speaker 1: two fifty right a check and I'm good. No, I'm good. Yeah, 751 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: money probably when it did it. But see, you gotta 752 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 1: think that money got all kind of paring from me 753 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,800 Speaker 1: and all kind of stuff they can get you buy 754 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,879 Speaker 1: the money not even in the washer, and the driver 755 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: ain't gonna do it. Funny because I got the funniest 756 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: story about Stephen Man. Chucky Brown play with us. That 757 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 1: was my guy. So checking with my guy, right, So 758 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: this is right when you're right when you went and 759 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,920 Speaker 1: went in the stands. So I didn't know you were 760 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: you know, I just you know, we didn't. You talked 761 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,839 Speaker 1: a couple of times and from being in Houston, being 762 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: in Houston, yea, and so um, I'm like I called Chucky. 763 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, what kind of dude is Steven Man? 764 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: He jumped in the stands. He's like, Kenny Man, Yo, 765 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: you love him? You love Jack. I love him. He's 766 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: like he's like, cause Max was my guy. So me 767 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: and Max were late to the all like my kids, 768 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 1: his kids called me uncle Kenny. I always had like 769 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: like a relationship with guys like that for some reason, 770 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: and when I'm not really like that, you know, but 771 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: I always gravitated. It was a balance. He's like you 772 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,439 Speaker 1: love jack Like wow, he's like he's a soldier. He's 773 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,879 Speaker 1: like Jackson soldier, but he's the soul just hoping for war, 774 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 1: looking like he's hoping for I was like, I get it. 775 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: I had never heard anybody described. From that point on, 776 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: I understood him like he's like, it's like, I got it. 777 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 1: He wants to smoke, Yeah, there is. He's like he's 778 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: looking for it. A great dude man from him too. Yes, yes, 779 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: it died. That was my first. So then I understood 780 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,800 Speaker 1: why he went the stands, and then I understood what 781 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: was going on. I understood his whole mentality. I think 782 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: I don't remember that I called you, and I remember 783 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: because when we were going he was we were talking 784 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: about on T and T. So I was just like, yeah, 785 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: I was telling you know, the Chucky story. I think 786 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: I even said, I just you know, we had talked before, 787 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: and I was I just don't like to go on 788 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: TV something that's sensitive issue without talking to the first 789 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, like, I'm not gonna the only one did that, 790 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,320 Speaker 1: though really you're the only one did that. I just 791 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 1: don't like basketball. I ain't gonna call him like, Yo, 792 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,359 Speaker 1: you ain't get back on deep bro, knock it off, 793 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: like here's the film like stuff. I'm just checking. And 794 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 1: he was telling me, like, Kenny Man, you know I'm 795 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: not really like that, I said, Jack, I do believe that. 796 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: I said, but this's your second incident, not even a year. Yeah, 797 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: I'm like it's the second one. And I said, you're 798 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,320 Speaker 1: a good guy, but if you keep doing bad things, 799 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: you're really a bad guy who want to be good. 800 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,799 Speaker 1: So you got to realize who you are. Like even 801 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: we all like everybody who's good ain't all good. You know, 802 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: everybody bad we we know from like everybody who bad 803 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: ain't all bad, like you know what I mean, Like 804 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: they just not all bad. And everybody who good ain't 805 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 1: really all good. So but if you continually do bad 806 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: ship that's all say you're a bad person. You are bad, 807 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: like you got you gotta on it. And so I 808 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 1: was like and then I even when he was doing that, 809 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 1: like I told when he would be time said, yo, 810 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 1: you were media dude, like we had we want to 811 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: play like and I was like, ooh, you could do 812 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 1: this media thing man, like you were on our show. Yo, 813 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: you're really good. Like I think he thought I was 814 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,479 Speaker 1: blowing smoke and I'm like, no, bro, you're really good. Dudes, 815 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: come on, they don't get it like you get it 816 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: like you can here we are. But I didn't think 817 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: he was born smoke because I can go back on 818 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,800 Speaker 1: my Instagram and showed you when I got off the plane, 819 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 1: I made a post and I sat next to you 820 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 1: and what you were saying, Oh yeah, yes, I made post. 821 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 1: I meant it. I meant it ninety He were traded 822 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,399 Speaker 1: to Atlanta in the same year traded to Houston. First 823 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: thoughts of playing with a key. It was the first 824 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,399 Speaker 1: time in my life. I went to find the rec 825 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: center and it was the first time in my life 826 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 1: I was playing. So were playing pick up and we're 827 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,800 Speaker 1: on the same team, and I threw the ball inside 828 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: and the guy goted me left. That had never happened 829 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: to me. It was the first time. I was like, 830 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,320 Speaker 1: they leave you playing with him? That that never happened 831 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,799 Speaker 1: to me. Yeah. I played in Sacramento my first two years. 832 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,239 Speaker 1: Like I led the league. I was second in the 833 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 1: league in minutes the Carolina Blue Jersey something. Yeah, man, 834 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 1: I mean second minutes on a bad team. I'm playing forty. 835 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,719 Speaker 1: I played forty five minutes at night my second year 836 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,320 Speaker 1: in the league. I only came out the game three minutes, 837 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,359 Speaker 1: which is another story because I was Jerry Reynolds was coaching. First, 838 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: it was Bill Russell, then Jerry Reynolds, and Jerry's like, 839 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,799 Speaker 1: what's you know? You get all upset at me when 840 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 1: I take you out. I'm like, yeah, Jerry, you just 841 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 1: take me out the wrong three minutes. It's like you 842 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,319 Speaker 1: don't know what you're doing. But it's the first time 843 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,160 Speaker 1: I threw it in and they left me. I was like, oh, 844 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna be different. So then I was like, I 845 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,799 Speaker 1: need to learn. I didn't shoot my first two years 846 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,879 Speaker 1: in the league. I took eighty three two in three years. 847 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 1: And I said, I gotta learn how to shoot the 848 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,600 Speaker 1: three because I didn't know how to shoot the three, 849 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: and so I called. I was at a charity game 850 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 1: and dell Ellis was there and I said, Dawn, that's 851 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,399 Speaker 1: one of the ones. I said, you shoot the three 852 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: real easy. How do you do it? And he showed 853 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,239 Speaker 1: me how. He's like, no, you get your feet set, 854 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 1: like this is how you get your balance, I said, 855 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: because this is far. Like for me, I was like, 856 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,919 Speaker 1: it's just feel far. It's like no, no, none needs 857 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: balance and you get your legs and I practiced it. 858 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 1: So I was like, and I in my first twenty games, 859 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: I took eighty threes just based on playing with him, 860 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 1: throwing it in and they leave you and double and 861 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,799 Speaker 1: then you know, still at that point, I was still 862 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 1: the jet. Now I'm a proper playing but I was 863 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,879 Speaker 1: still so like it was. It was if you ran 864 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: at me, I could go buy you, I could go 865 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: by you, and so, you know, and then me and 866 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: Vernon together like Vernon was fast as hell. Verning was 867 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,840 Speaker 1: for those who don't know, Vernon was Dwayne Wade before 868 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: Dwayne Wade. But he just didn't have the mental stability. 869 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: But if he had Dwayne Waste mental stability, he would 870 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: have been the way that's it. He just didn't have 871 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 1: it like burning. You know, I was a psychiatrist in 872 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: the sense that you know, because everybody knew that we 873 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 1: were close and I loved him to death, and so 874 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 1: Rudy would be like Canny go get him. Rudy t 875 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,800 Speaker 1: I canny, go get Vernon, Oh, go get Verdict. And 876 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: I was like, yo, listen, we had a Vernon story 877 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,280 Speaker 1: with this when we was with the We Believe Warriors. 878 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 1: We went in was it to Houston. Remember he's in 879 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: there getting a full worker. Come on, Nellie, I still 880 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,880 Speaker 1: got it. We were walking and we walked, you walked 881 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,880 Speaker 1: by burning down. You think he's twenty three. You know. 882 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,840 Speaker 1: We were walking in the gym getting ready for practice, 883 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 1: and Max had had a whole hour workout, sweating show. 884 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,720 Speaker 1: And then Don Nelson he still had he wanted attend 885 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: a for our Warrior team at that time, was crazy dog. 886 00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:05,359 Speaker 1: He's probably like the second best athlete Michael and him 887 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:12,480 Speaker 1: as present and Eago Dollar like just pure pure athlete, 888 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,320 Speaker 1: like like I had never seen something like him, like Vernon. 889 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,359 Speaker 1: And and plus he had he had my back too far, 890 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:27,200 Speaker 1: like too far, like he just have your back so 891 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:34,320 Speaker 1: far that it's almost scary. It's almost scary, like like 892 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,920 Speaker 1: the type of love. He's the first guy to go 893 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,359 Speaker 1: on the stands. Yeah, I was just about to say 894 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't want to say it, but I 895 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: was about the first guy in Dallas no, this is 896 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 1: in Portland, Portland's first time, so we can drove. We 897 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,880 Speaker 1: think this is not that we win the championships were 898 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:54,839 Speaker 1: getting drove. We went losing by twenty So Vernon He's 899 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,800 Speaker 1: going to entertain anything that can be entertained. So the 900 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: guy is screaming at the top of his lungs. You know, oh, 901 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,239 Speaker 1: you guys are no chaps. He sucked, blah blah blah blah. 902 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,200 Speaker 1: He's not gonna be So Brennan's like, he's sitting right 903 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 1: here in the time now, I'm literally here goes. You 904 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: keep talking that ship, I'm gonna come up there and 905 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,280 Speaker 1: smack the hell out you. You're not gonna do anything. 906 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 1: Maxwell get sucked and it was you know how you 907 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,440 Speaker 1: have that flight of flight moment where you just you 908 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 1: just I froze because I'm watching him instead of tackling him. 909 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,399 Speaker 1: I'm watching him and I'm and I'm it's like a movie, 910 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, is he really going up there? He's 911 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:45,080 Speaker 1: going up there back out of him, And I was like, 912 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,799 Speaker 1: oh my god, I could have prevented the whole thing. 913 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: So to this day, I still want to pay the 914 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 1: fine for because I was like, I could have stopped it, 915 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 1: because that was always my job is to stop him 916 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,839 Speaker 1: because I was the only one who could like bring 917 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,400 Speaker 1: him back. But if he if he's doing this, you're 918 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 1: gonna he'd be real quiet and you'd be like, that's 919 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 1: not mad, Max. But when that light switch turned on, 920 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,719 Speaker 1: oh my god, it was only like two people in 921 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,360 Speaker 1: the world I could turn it off, and I just 922 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,279 Speaker 1: happened to be one of them. And I could like 923 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,360 Speaker 1: say two things, three things, and he'd come back and 924 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,640 Speaker 1: he'd be like, Okay, he say, like you like that. 925 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,240 Speaker 1: People tell me you like that. You gotta switch manwitch, 926 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,040 Speaker 1: like right now, about five different switches got switch. Yeah, 927 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,400 Speaker 1: and do you have who's the guy who can stop 928 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: your switch? Probably him? Yeah, and then yeah, not there's 929 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,680 Speaker 1: a couple of people that can't. But yeah, you go. 930 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,359 Speaker 1: But you're my manner, like yeah, like and then that's 931 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,160 Speaker 1: my thing because I mean, I think it's a lot 932 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 1: of people. My whole thing is like I don't even 933 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,080 Speaker 1: go looking for it. Just the disrespect thing. I don't 934 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,799 Speaker 1: do very well to the disrespect happen. Yeah, I don't 935 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,320 Speaker 1: like that. And that's what that was. Yeah, it was disrespect. Disrespect. 936 00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:01,840 Speaker 1: He always thought disrespect was like not acknowledging who he was, 937 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 1: like looking through him. So if you look through him 938 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,400 Speaker 1: in any manner, it's an issue. He had an issue 939 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,000 Speaker 1: with you. We need we need man Max on here 940 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:16,640 Speaker 1: yea yeah issue. Yeah, Like he would fight every every 941 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:21,080 Speaker 1: game we played the Bulls. He fight Michael every single game. 942 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,160 Speaker 1: And so that's what I used to do when I 943 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:28,200 Speaker 1: can't stop somebody. He's just height. He started every every 944 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,759 Speaker 1: single game, He's gonna start to fight with Michael. But 945 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 1: the crazy part is Michael was like, Yo, this dude 946 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,360 Speaker 1: is he's crazy. I'm like, why you said that? He's like, 947 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,279 Speaker 1: he brought his son in here after the game. We 948 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,439 Speaker 1: have a fight Kenny and all Jordan's and Jordan's gear 949 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,799 Speaker 1: to get autographs. But I just thought, this dude, that's all. 950 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,080 Speaker 1: But that's what that was back because Mike would look 951 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,640 Speaker 1: through him. You know, Mike is not He's like Mike 952 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,360 Speaker 1: stay stuff like, yo, you see who's on me packs 953 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 1: and throw me. Oh you can't make comments like that. 954 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:08,440 Speaker 1: You see who's that's looking through Like, yeah, you might 955 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 1: hit the jump up, but I'm a whip your ass, 956 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:21,000 Speaker 1: whip yours. I've seen you do it. I've seen like 957 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,680 Speaker 1: I didn't know that about you until late in your career. 958 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,400 Speaker 1: Even watching you him, I knew because of Texas. But 959 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,759 Speaker 1: I've seen Vernon like physically intimidate guys. I think that's 960 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,719 Speaker 1: the first person who cursed me out when I think 961 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,560 Speaker 1: I was a rookie preseason. He cursed me out so bad. 962 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm like they talked to people like this, and like 963 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,799 Speaker 1: we was on the street, he talked to me so bad, 964 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,719 Speaker 1: and that's when I fell in love with him. He 965 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,520 Speaker 1: would if you if you weren't from that element, you 966 00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,000 Speaker 1: would take it so personally. Either you're gonna fight or 967 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,720 Speaker 1: you would be intimidated. But if you're from the element, 968 00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,320 Speaker 1: you just know a lot of its talk once you 969 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,800 Speaker 1: off the court is dead. Is this talk? It's not 970 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,479 Speaker 1: like going there. But he's so close on the edge. 971 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,320 Speaker 1: Five back to back championships. What was it like to 972 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 1: get that first taste? You google it right now, it's 973 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:31,040 Speaker 1: clut City. Clut City. We made it where a city 974 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,480 Speaker 1: that was known for choking and not doing well to 975 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,800 Speaker 1: a city that was could do well under pressure. And 976 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,520 Speaker 1: you know what, the crazy thing a championship. We were 977 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:46,160 Speaker 1: the first championship franchise sports franchise ever in Houston, the 978 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:52,920 Speaker 1: Astros had one football team, Oilers Oilers now Texas. Nobody 979 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,200 Speaker 1: had one ever until we won, and I noticed a 980 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,320 Speaker 1: change in the city, big change. I didn't that it 981 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,160 Speaker 1: would do that, like I always thought that it would 982 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,160 Speaker 1: have changed me in us. But I saw them the 983 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,640 Speaker 1: way people moved in the city and while and with 984 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,360 Speaker 1: the way they thought. So it was just it was 985 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,040 Speaker 1: a great feeling to go back to back, but I 986 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,640 Speaker 1: think the second one felt better because we came from 987 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,200 Speaker 1: the sixth seed. We never had home court advantage, so 988 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,640 Speaker 1: we started every on the series on the road, two 989 00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,239 Speaker 1: games on the road the first two games and we 990 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,960 Speaker 1: get off. So I had a thing where dream and 991 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,480 Speaker 1: it was like you wanna say it, I'm like, oh, 992 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,080 Speaker 1: so we come up the team playing and I'm like, 993 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,200 Speaker 1: and we're being another person city like we're home. So 994 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,719 Speaker 1: I had to say we're home because we weren't home. 995 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,239 Speaker 1: We never started like we win a series and we're 996 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,320 Speaker 1: gone straight to days we can win in Houston, be like, damn, 997 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,200 Speaker 1: after the game, you gotta fly out this game seven, 998 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,040 Speaker 1: You're flying out right after. So it was that second 999 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,360 Speaker 1: championship was the best within the with all due respect 1000 00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,879 Speaker 1: within the context of your championships and kind of that era. 1001 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,040 Speaker 1: That was a two year period that Mike had took off. 1002 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:03,640 Speaker 1: How do you feel like you guys would have fared 1003 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,800 Speaker 1: your two championships off. He went to go play, he 1004 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,319 Speaker 1: was playing for. He came back as number forty five 1005 00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,000 Speaker 1: in the second one. He came back as number forty five, 1006 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,160 Speaker 1: and we had fifty five in the garden. Nobody was 1007 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,279 Speaker 1: saying he was selling he was. He wasn't. Mike. You know, 1008 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:24,200 Speaker 1: we would have beat their ass because like drain was 1009 00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,560 Speaker 1: too much around. I don't think about this. There's a 1010 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,279 Speaker 1: couple of things. Michael is still the best player in 1011 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,360 Speaker 1: the world and I've ever seen, but that means he 1012 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,319 Speaker 1: would have had to win eight championships in the room. 1013 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: It's not gonna win eight in a room. He's not. 1014 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,840 Speaker 1: Nobody's done it in the modern era, he wouldn't have 1015 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:46,280 Speaker 1: done that. Secondly, there was no horrors Grant he left. 1016 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,319 Speaker 1: And then then they became way too small because even 1017 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,759 Speaker 1: in that his regular season, in the regular season years 1018 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,080 Speaker 1: we went seven and one against them, was six and two. 1019 00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,480 Speaker 1: They never beat us in the regular season. We need 1020 00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,840 Speaker 1: to go to Chicago's smack up, come back to Houston 1021 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,000 Speaker 1: smack him up. You know, they like b J and 1022 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,120 Speaker 1: you know and and im pacts and those guys were 1023 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,560 Speaker 1: good players, but they were too slow for us. And 1024 00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,600 Speaker 1: no one in Winnington and them couldn't guard him. And 1025 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,640 Speaker 1: and for some reason Scotty wasn't Scotty then he wasn't 1026 00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:21,040 Speaker 1: a scorer you need they needed. So I think we 1027 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,440 Speaker 1: would have got him because of that. There was no Rodman. 1028 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,480 Speaker 1: Now when they got robbing, I'm like different, I don't know. 1029 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,560 Speaker 1: If the Rockets, we would have got them. But they 1030 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,360 Speaker 1: were too little. And that that's why shocking them got 1031 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,640 Speaker 1: him because he came back. It wasn't he was coming 1032 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,320 Speaker 1: back from baseball. They were too little to shock. They 1033 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,000 Speaker 1: lost to a team for two that we swept. We 1034 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:49,640 Speaker 1: swept shocking them. So like, no, no, no, they would 1035 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,400 Speaker 1: not have beaten us. And then if you if I 1036 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,520 Speaker 1: didn't come in there and I'm not splashing with three, 1037 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,800 Speaker 1: Sam could sell is coming in there giving you twenty 1038 00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,440 Speaker 1: Roy was the new Scottie pitman. Then he wasn't like 1039 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:05,720 Speaker 1: stand outside and he was oldest was in the first one. Yeah, 1040 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,400 Speaker 1: And then Clyde like, no, they wouldn't have beat us. 1041 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,280 Speaker 1: They would not beat us because they were just too little, 1042 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,040 Speaker 1: and they wouldn't have won eight in a row. Something 1043 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,160 Speaker 1: would happen, somebody would have left because of contract, somebody 1044 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,720 Speaker 1: would have got hurt, something, They wouldn't have beat us. 1045 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,360 Speaker 1: He made a great point right there. Back in the day, 1046 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,760 Speaker 1: you didn't worry about being injured in the playoffs as 1047 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,560 Speaker 1: much as they do. Now. You know, normally you had 1048 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,320 Speaker 1: your guns when you was going into the big game. 1049 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,440 Speaker 1: Now it you know, championships have been one because key 1050 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,680 Speaker 1: players have been missing. What do you think the difference 1051 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,120 Speaker 1: is and why? I think the lack of playing. I 1052 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,360 Speaker 1: think there is load management, but the lack of not 1053 00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,520 Speaker 1: playing in a game I think increases your ability to 1054 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:53,840 Speaker 1: get hurt. Play Less minutes would help. If you don't. 1055 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,040 Speaker 1: If you don't, if you don't ride like I don't know, 1056 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,919 Speaker 1: on your days off, it made you feel better or worse. 1057 00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,040 Speaker 1: For me, it may me feel work. I did something 1058 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,720 Speaker 1: I had to do even and I think that these 1059 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,880 Speaker 1: guys now are not taking the pounding. So then when 1060 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 1: they pound in the playoffs, because you go from playing 1061 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,160 Speaker 1: every other day taking days off, to all of a sudden, 1062 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,800 Speaker 1: oh man, I got played thirty nine forty six minutes 1063 00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,680 Speaker 1: and they're not used to the pounding. And I used 1064 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,680 Speaker 1: to you're around thirty after the back to back championships 1065 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,680 Speaker 1: and injuries, started to say in what's going through your mind? Well? 1066 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,080 Speaker 1: I always for me, I always had to deal Yeah, 1067 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:34,880 Speaker 1: you see the way I walk, I had to always 1068 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,920 Speaker 1: had to deal with something like knee issues. Like so 1069 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,320 Speaker 1: I used to wake up in the morning be like, 1070 00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,640 Speaker 1: um my bus is ass today you can tell right 1071 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,040 Speaker 1: away yeah yeah, yeah or not today. What do you 1072 00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,880 Speaker 1: feel when you do that? Now, I'm like, they're gonna 1073 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:57,920 Speaker 1: get I'm gonna get my ass Bunton every day, every day, 1074 00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,920 Speaker 1: good day, I'm gonna lose. I raised to the board. 1075 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,680 Speaker 1: I gotta figure out a trick to get to the 1076 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,680 Speaker 1: board fast on Today I got him, you know, but 1077 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:15,800 Speaker 1: I think, um, you know, for me, you know, especially 1078 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,480 Speaker 1: being good early and so long, like having to carry 1079 01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,360 Speaker 1: that shoulder and from high school to college, playing four 1080 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,160 Speaker 1: years in college. You know that took a toll on 1081 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,320 Speaker 1: a hundred sixty five pound dude. You know, so by 1082 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,000 Speaker 1: time I was like seven, when you're supposed to be 1083 01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:39,240 Speaker 1: hitting your superpowers, mine, like when that's starting to fade, 1084 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Where like that I gave 1085 01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,440 Speaker 1: a lot of those eight good years early. But you know, 1086 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,919 Speaker 1: but you have the experience, like experience you can never 1087 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,880 Speaker 1: that you can't and people always say, well, I was experienced. 1088 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, experience just reduces anxiety. If you don't have anxiety, 1089 01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:02,360 Speaker 1: you don't have anxiety gonna perform, like because I have 1090 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,560 Speaker 1: the experience to know that I've done this and been 1091 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,800 Speaker 1: in this position, so I don't have the anxiety to 1092 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,840 Speaker 1: not knowing what's going on. So then I'm I feel comfortable. 1093 01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,560 Speaker 1: I feel I could see things that you can't see. 1094 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,120 Speaker 1: You know, you can see things you can't see. So 1095 01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,960 Speaker 1: you transition um into media and you're able to join 1096 01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,680 Speaker 1: T and T. Did you have any idea what you're 1097 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,600 Speaker 1: getting yourself into? Somewhat? I never wanted to be in media, 1098 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,800 Speaker 1: but I just enjoyed it, Uh, because I love the game. 1099 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,560 Speaker 1: I mean, if you come to my house tonight, it's 1100 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,720 Speaker 1: gonna be five of us sitting around. We're gonna be 1101 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,520 Speaker 1: talking about the games, talking about whatever it is. That's 1102 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,240 Speaker 1: what we did. So my brother always says, you know, 1103 01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,480 Speaker 1: he should get paid half my T and T contract 1104 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,280 Speaker 1: because I use his stuff. You know. My my cousin 1105 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,840 Speaker 1: says that we all do we we do group chats, 1106 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,520 Speaker 1: and like that's all we that's what we do. So 1107 01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:01,560 Speaker 1: but I didn't notice like that most people couldn't in 1108 01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:07,360 Speaker 1: thirty seconds explain that's important what was going on, and 1109 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,720 Speaker 1: not only explain it, but explain it to you guys 1110 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,240 Speaker 1: who are at the highest level and also where my 1111 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,720 Speaker 1: grandmother could understand. I was like, oh, they can't do that. 1112 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,360 Speaker 1: I just had that knack, And I think, you know, 1113 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,520 Speaker 1: if we're gonna talk to talk, I think what makes 1114 01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,160 Speaker 1: me the best in the businesses. I see the periphiel 1115 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,800 Speaker 1: like I don't see like when I walked in here, 1116 01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,880 Speaker 1: I could see the environment that's created, and I could 1117 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,440 Speaker 1: feel the energy of what part of each team that 1118 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,040 Speaker 1: you pull from just based off of like a five 1119 01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,800 Speaker 1: minute walk through it. I don't know. That's just a 1120 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,320 Speaker 1: gift that God has given me, and and it's just 1121 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,480 Speaker 1: in life, like I could see that in life. But 1122 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,240 Speaker 1: I can see him like, oh, that person is important 1123 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,240 Speaker 1: to this process. I'm like, oh, my my man, hair 1124 01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,440 Speaker 1: said like two commons. He jumped in. He's the only 1125 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 1: one who's jumped in, and neither one of y'all said anything. 1126 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,880 Speaker 1: He's important to the process. When he was he like, 1127 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,800 Speaker 1: y'all allowed him to speak. Yeah, I just but those 1128 01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,400 Speaker 1: are things I know. So when i'm when those are 1129 01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,480 Speaker 1: things I bring to the show, I'm like, no, no, no, no. 1130 01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,479 Speaker 1: You know when this guy like it was a player 1131 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:21,520 Speaker 1: that had an unbelievable game and great player, and I 1132 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,760 Speaker 1: was like, I'm not sure if his teammates like him. 1133 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,960 Speaker 1: M hmm, Like what do you mean? I was like, 1134 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,720 Speaker 1: because I could tell body reactions on the bench which 1135 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:36,000 Speaker 1: authentic and what wasn't. Like if I had fifty, everybody 1136 01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,720 Speaker 1: on the team would be going like one of my teammates, 1137 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,680 Speaker 1: I would know. I'm like, but the guy ain't really 1138 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,480 Speaker 1: feeling getting fifty. I'm like, yo, yo, I'm not. It's 1139 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,800 Speaker 1: a different energy. Those are the things that I noticed, 1140 01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,960 Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's why they're gonna win or that's 1141 01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:55,160 Speaker 1: why they won't. And I think you know where it shocking, Charles. 1142 01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,120 Speaker 1: They come from. The I always say, Charles is um, 1143 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,960 Speaker 1: he's a flashlight. And I know y'all have had some beef. Everybody. 1144 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,080 Speaker 1: Everybody has some beef. You could never have beef for 1145 01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,280 Speaker 1: Charles in this way, obviously, because he looks at life 1146 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:13,360 Speaker 1: through a flashlight and not a floodlight. So if he says, 1147 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,200 Speaker 1: if you look at life through a flashlight, he's like, man, 1148 01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:21,400 Speaker 1: everybody in here got on Jordan's. No, I got on Jordan's. 1149 01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,080 Speaker 1: He's got the flashlight. He's correct in it, but he 1150 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,520 Speaker 1: but when you put the floodlight on it to everybody else. So, 1151 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,040 Speaker 1: but sometimes the flashlight is super accurate because he's pointing 1152 01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:36,120 Speaker 1: it directly at you. But sometimes he misses things. My 1153 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,920 Speaker 1: job was always to bring the floodlight to the situation 1154 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:43,560 Speaker 1: and go, Nah, you're right, But it's not that only 1155 01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,680 Speaker 1: you know. So he has an accuracy point to it 1156 01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:55,200 Speaker 1: that will rub you the wrong way, because or you 1157 01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,200 Speaker 1: would over love. I think he gets too much credit 1158 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,800 Speaker 1: sometimes and then that sometimes I think he gets too 1159 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,120 Speaker 1: much the other way. But he's accurate all the time. 1160 01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,880 Speaker 1: But it's a flashlight, you know. Well. I mean I 1161 01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,960 Speaker 1: think that leads us into our next question, what makes 1162 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,120 Speaker 1: you guys such a great team? Obviously, so many different 1163 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,720 Speaker 1: insights and perspectives and points of views with Ernie and 1164 01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,560 Speaker 1: Shock and and and Chuck, But what do you think 1165 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,000 Speaker 1: makes you guys? Were the only show on television that listens, 1166 01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:28,000 Speaker 1: that listens, the only show Yeah, everybody else has their 1167 01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,000 Speaker 1: written notes and they're gonna, like I write sit down, 1168 01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,400 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna write stuff down. I might. I'm saying 1169 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this point out. But if Jack says 1170 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:41,760 Speaker 1: something that makes me go another direction, not even on 1171 01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,800 Speaker 1: that point, I'm gonna stay with that because that's where 1172 01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,960 Speaker 1: the topic is. So we're listening instead of like, I 1173 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:49,960 Speaker 1: gotta get this out about Kyrie tonight. A lot of 1174 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,600 Speaker 1: people listen to respond instead of listening to understand. Yeah, 1175 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:54,920 Speaker 1: like they are. You know, it's like you've been in 1176 01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,320 Speaker 1: an argument before when the person has already got their prerecord. 1177 01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,080 Speaker 1: They you you're telling them, no, I really was there 1178 01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,080 Speaker 1: at six o'clock, and they're like they're waiting to get 1179 01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,440 Speaker 1: their point back. Got Now I'm listening like, oh, you 1180 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:12,120 Speaker 1: wasn't at six. Tell me how you were there six, Like, 1181 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:16,760 Speaker 1: explain it? And well that's the only thing that separates us. 1182 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,600 Speaker 1: Went that to me. And that's a hard job to listen, 1183 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,720 Speaker 1: Like you can't just say okay today, I'm gonna start listening. 1184 01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,840 Speaker 1: They just put three guys, four guys together that listen. 1185 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,520 Speaker 1: We always in it. And Shock didn't listen at first, 1186 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,480 Speaker 1: and and until he realized we were listening it and 1187 01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,680 Speaker 1: I told Shaq he was terrible. Honestly, is first six 1188 01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:40,479 Speaker 1: months on the show, you got into some little piece. 1189 01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,480 Speaker 1: So what was it? We guys went behind the scenes 1190 01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:51,200 Speaker 1: of inside. It was terrible. And the two things happened 1191 01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,400 Speaker 1: that made him great. You know, I don't know. You know. 1192 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,160 Speaker 1: I went to him first and I was like, bro, 1193 01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,200 Speaker 1: the stories you say in the green room bananas, like 1194 01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,080 Speaker 1: the stuff you're saying about Kobe, and like you gotta 1195 01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:05,640 Speaker 1: bring that to the He's like, no, they don't. I 1196 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,000 Speaker 1: was like, Shock, that's one I said. The first other 1197 01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:10,720 Speaker 1: thing is like this the first time in your life. 1198 01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:17,640 Speaker 1: You ain't the most dominant player first time, Like we 1199 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,680 Speaker 1: might be better than you at this, so just be 1200 01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,480 Speaker 1: you and blah blah blah. And then the second thing happened, 1201 01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,680 Speaker 1: so so Shock used to come in and be shocked. 1202 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,920 Speaker 1: If y'all know what was shock, Shock is a movie Shocks. 1203 01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm walking on. He's got ten people coming in. He 1204 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:37,320 Speaker 1: created a hookah lounge and in the no in the studio, 1205 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,520 Speaker 1: and they made let him do this. They were like, 1206 01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,360 Speaker 1: he's like, I have to have my hooka. So he 1207 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,840 Speaker 1: has a hookah lounge outside they make and they put 1208 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:51,000 Speaker 1: a TV outside the studio. We got a green room, Like, yo, man, 1209 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,040 Speaker 1: Chuck in the green room. We've been doing this but 1210 01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,720 Speaker 1: fifteen years together. This dude's gonna come in. You're gonna 1211 01:07:55,720 --> 01:08:01,520 Speaker 1: build a hookah lous like was going on, like what's 1212 01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:06,640 Speaker 1: going on? And then he's got entourage, he's got he 1213 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:11,240 Speaker 1: got Jerome and him all they're driving. Everybody's driving, the 1214 01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,720 Speaker 1: one driving the rolls, one driving the bed leaving the Ferrari. 1215 01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,559 Speaker 1: It's like it's just a movie and me and Chuck 1216 01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:21,400 Speaker 1: is Chuck for sure, and Chuck is very sensitive. He's 1217 01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:26,120 Speaker 1: like he doesn't like it. Like I'm like I'm used 1218 01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,400 Speaker 1: to that in a way, like I'm okay with dudes 1219 01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,640 Speaker 1: name stuff. But Chuck is not having it. So now 1220 01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:38,240 Speaker 1: he's not watching again. He's literally DJ equipment, No kid, 1221 01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:43,160 Speaker 1: you not. He's practicing his DJ while the game is 1222 01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,040 Speaker 1: going on. They let him get away with all that 1223 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,240 Speaker 1: because he's shot. So now he comes on the show 1224 01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,759 Speaker 1: and he's like he says something like yeah, DeAndre Jordan 1225 01:08:55,840 --> 01:09:00,040 Speaker 1: needed and DeAndre is not playing tonight. So me and 1226 01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,960 Speaker 1: Charles like, because we sitting next to each other, he's 1227 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,560 Speaker 1: hitting me and I'm hitting up. We're gonna get his 1228 01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,920 Speaker 1: ass today. So we're just lightened into him. Oh, we're 1229 01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,479 Speaker 1: just going you don't know that. And so now we're 1230 01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,360 Speaker 1: saying stuff about the game because we know he didn't watch. 1231 01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,640 Speaker 1: So then our producer comes downstairs and he's like, what 1232 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,800 Speaker 1: the is going on? Y'all giving him a hard time 1233 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,120 Speaker 1: like that, you're embarrassing him on our national toy. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa? 1234 01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:24,960 Speaker 1: Since when don't we make fun of each other when 1235 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,120 Speaker 1: you don't know ship? Right? Because Matt Shall don't do 1236 01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,360 Speaker 1: anybody can get it. And it goes like this, and 1237 01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:36,560 Speaker 1: then the producer goes like this, you're right, go get it, 1238 01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,519 Speaker 1: get him, And from that day on he turned. He's like, 1239 01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,560 Speaker 1: I gotta be ship. He got on point. Yeah. What 1240 01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,720 Speaker 1: thoughts on the way the media landscape is kind of 1241 01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,400 Speaker 1: turning down for an ill using example of Draymond getting 1242 01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,439 Speaker 1: kicked out and not doing media after the game, but 1243 01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,840 Speaker 1: going on his podcast and kind of explaining his point 1244 01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,680 Speaker 1: of view, thoughts on just the way the media is 1245 01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,160 Speaker 1: and the players are kind of taking it more in 1246 01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,599 Speaker 1: their own hands. Now, well, you know it's Graham and Twitter. 1247 01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,200 Speaker 1: You know you you got voices like God, you got 1248 01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,719 Speaker 1: more followers than people that then we're gonna have viewers, 1249 01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And you're in your and 1250 01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:15,519 Speaker 1: your sound bite. It's gonna live longer. So I don't 1251 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,120 Speaker 1: have a problem with it. I just don't. I just 1252 01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:21,840 Speaker 1: feel that the only difference what I feel today's player, 1253 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:29,920 Speaker 1: the sensitivity is what I don't understand, Like you're going 1254 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:35,280 Speaker 1: to put information out for us to hear as players, 1255 01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,599 Speaker 1: former players and as media, and then when we speak 1256 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,880 Speaker 1: about it, you get sensitive. They don't put it out 1257 01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,800 Speaker 1: like I'm not, Like you can't do a reality show 1258 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,360 Speaker 1: and then be like, oh, don't talk about my wife, 1259 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,640 Speaker 1: Like are you touring a reality show? What are you 1260 01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,360 Speaker 1: talking about? Are we seeing her? And you're telling us 1261 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,920 Speaker 1: that y'all had a problem today, Like you can't like 1262 01:10:58,439 --> 01:10:59,920 Speaker 1: do that. And that's why I think the sense of 1263 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:04,639 Speaker 1: activity part um. I'm always surprised that because they actually 1264 01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:13,920 Speaker 1: and in certain guys like I've always loved like that 1265 01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,320 Speaker 1: I never understood. There's a couple of guys I define 1266 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,760 Speaker 1: like and then actually both Kyrie and Kevin, I didn't 1267 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,400 Speaker 1: understand them. I don't know them well, but I didn't 1268 01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:28,080 Speaker 1: understand them because I always loved them, like when they 1269 01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,680 Speaker 1: first came. Everybody I knew always talked great about him 1270 01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,120 Speaker 1: when they first came. The first five six years, they 1271 01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:37,800 Speaker 1: were like Kyrie and Kevin. And then it became like 1272 01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,240 Speaker 1: everyone hates me like you said when y'all talk, and 1273 01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,120 Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, bro, nobody hates you 1274 01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,960 Speaker 1: like we all love you like and then and then 1275 01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,439 Speaker 1: the narrative shifts because then people start hating them and 1276 01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,639 Speaker 1: they got hate on them, and I was like, I've 1277 01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,680 Speaker 1: never seen that, Like Steph Curry his whole career and 1278 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,080 Speaker 1: no one's hating on him. They're never gonna be like, oh, 1279 01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,599 Speaker 1: we hate Steph Curry. But if he started saying, oh, 1280 01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:01,960 Speaker 1: y'all hate eating on me or blah blah blamp, then 1281 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,760 Speaker 1: people would start doing it. It's just they changed the 1282 01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:09,360 Speaker 1: narrative of their own script that I didn't understand why 1283 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,760 Speaker 1: they did it because I wasn't hearing what they were hearing. 1284 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,479 Speaker 1: I just me personally, and I'm in the media, I'm 1285 01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,760 Speaker 1: in the back rooms, I'm with the players, I'm with 1286 01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,760 Speaker 1: the owners, I'm with it. The most unique position I 1287 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,240 Speaker 1: have an owner. I had this happened yesterday. I had 1288 01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,360 Speaker 1: an owner called me, a general manners called me, a 1289 01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,639 Speaker 1: player called me, an agent called me, and then au 1290 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,680 Speaker 1: coach all in one day. And so I'm I know 1291 01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,559 Speaker 1: I'm in the most unique position ever. And I had 1292 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,559 Speaker 1: never heard that about them, so I always I would 1293 01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,400 Speaker 1: That's the only question y'all ever have them on it 1294 01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,559 Speaker 1: is like when did they feel the hate started for them? 1295 01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:51,519 Speaker 1: That would be my one question because I never felt like, now, 1296 01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,439 Speaker 1: of course I'm gonna talking you do something like in 1297 01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,040 Speaker 1: a basketball sense, because I could pull a film out 1298 01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:02,240 Speaker 1: like I pill. You can't front on me like I 1299 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,200 Speaker 1: could pull a film and say you didn't do this. 1300 01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,439 Speaker 1: But you know, I never cared about like even even 1301 01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,680 Speaker 1: with the vaccine with Kyrie, I never cared about it, 1302 01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,280 Speaker 1: like because that doesn't affect the game and me and 1303 01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,640 Speaker 1: I always thought the social issue was different from the 1304 01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:22,080 Speaker 1: basketball issue, Like I don't think we could ever tell 1305 01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:26,560 Speaker 1: him to do something that was a national pandemic and 1306 01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,960 Speaker 1: the fear that people had in the misinformation that people 1307 01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,840 Speaker 1: will get in on both sides, because you know, they 1308 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:34,519 Speaker 1: did tell us when we first was like you take 1309 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,760 Speaker 1: the vaccine, you would never catch it, Like they did 1310 01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,240 Speaker 1: say that that was that was the stuff going out like, 1311 01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,560 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like, I d 1312 01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,559 Speaker 1: that's a different issue than when I hear guys trying 1313 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:51,920 Speaker 1: to bleed that in and like, oh he didn't, he 1314 01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,240 Speaker 1: wasn't there for his teammates, like that ship wasn't the 1315 01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,680 Speaker 1: That's not the same taking a polio shot. It's not 1316 01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:04,240 Speaker 1: the same as playing basketball and not coming to work. 1317 01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,160 Speaker 1: Like it's two different issues. So I don't know if 1318 01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,000 Speaker 1: y'all get him on to ask him when did they 1319 01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,840 Speaker 1: feel the hate started? Yeah, I mean I talked to 1320 01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:16,960 Speaker 1: him alive. I just any time you disagree with the masses, 1321 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,720 Speaker 1: it's gonna be like that. But at the same time, 1322 01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,000 Speaker 1: nobody understood the conversation. Him and Kevin Durant had the conversation, 1323 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,839 Speaker 1: so it was understood between him and him and his teammate. 1324 01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:27,560 Speaker 1: So for people to say he turned his back on 1325 01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,840 Speaker 1: his teammates, you can't say that and actually know what 1326 01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,080 Speaker 1: you're talking about, because him and Katie had the conversation. 1327 01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,400 Speaker 1: But you're not turning your back on your teammate because 1328 01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,960 Speaker 1: it's not it's a it's a social issue. It's not exactly, 1329 01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,560 Speaker 1: it's it's two different things. Now, dude, I agree with it. 1330 01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:44,240 Speaker 1: I was like, no, I got, I'm backed up and 1331 01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,439 Speaker 1: I'm boosted, you know what I mean. But that's just 1332 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,240 Speaker 1: on the information I got. But I didn't. I didn't 1333 01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,800 Speaker 1: make that decision based on T and T. You know 1334 01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:58,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like that nothing. So I never understood 1335 01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:01,040 Speaker 1: how people put those together. I see in sports world 1336 01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,600 Speaker 1: like that two different issues, like would you go to 1337 01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:07,240 Speaker 1: war or go to play basketball? Like that's two different. 1338 01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:13,400 Speaker 1: They don't blend quick hitters coming down the stretch. First 1339 01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,240 Speaker 1: thing to come to mind, let us know you're all 1340 01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:23,040 Speaker 1: time North Carolina starting five, feel Ford at the point. 1341 01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,599 Speaker 1: Phil I had been showing sixth man because of him. 1342 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:31,599 Speaker 1: Feel Forth at the point, Michael at the two, James 1343 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,920 Speaker 1: at the three, James Worthy at the three, Sam Perkins 1344 01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:43,120 Speaker 1: at the four, and Brad Daugherty at the five. Brad 1345 01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:48,920 Speaker 1: Dodd was better than sheet. I'm just asking at the five, 1346 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:56,000 Speaker 1: not at the four. At the five, amoutter of fact, 1347 01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:06,280 Speaker 1: she gets Sam. He does get Sam. He does She 1348 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:13,720 Speaker 1: always t my she story like so, I see she right, 1349 01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,080 Speaker 1: He's getting all the text right, and we were all 1350 01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,160 Speaker 1: eating I'm like, she, I just I'm waiting for the moment. 1351 01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, bro you can't take out in this in 1352 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:28,200 Speaker 1: this series, Like how can you not get a technical? 1353 01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,880 Speaker 1: He's like Kenny, Man, it feels like if I don't 1354 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,160 Speaker 1: say nothing, my head's gonna explode. Like, well, we don't 1355 01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:39,160 Speaker 1: want to have to explode. Keep talking. Just go ahead, man, 1356 01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:44,160 Speaker 1: I want your head to explode. But yeah, he he 1357 01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:49,479 Speaker 1: could have been the best powerful ward of Alter. He 1358 01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:53,880 Speaker 1: could have been, but he had a little he had 1359 01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,599 Speaker 1: a little too much Philly in him, like he didn't 1360 01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:01,000 Speaker 1: want to do that, and he was a little too unselfish. 1361 01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:07,679 Speaker 1: Simon Gratz, he was much if I had like as 1362 01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,120 Speaker 1: great as Kevin Gone that is. But if I had 1363 01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:16,880 Speaker 1: to put my money on one game, one game, not 1364 01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,599 Speaker 1: the season, the season, I'm going Kevin garn that he Kevin, 1365 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,240 Speaker 1: They're gonna get me there and take me over the top. Yeah, 1366 01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,040 Speaker 1: he's gonna get me and take But if I said 1367 01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:28,280 Speaker 1: this game seven, game seven, I'm going with sheet game 1368 01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:30,200 Speaker 1: seven for one game, he's gonna get you there. And 1369 01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,920 Speaker 1: he's because he got more stuff than Captain. He put 1370 01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,960 Speaker 1: it on the floor. He could shoot the three, he 1371 01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:39,680 Speaker 1: could he could block shots, he could defend, he could 1372 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,000 Speaker 1: score on He did it all. He just didn't want 1373 01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,519 Speaker 1: to be the best player. He was okay with being 1374 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:49,120 Speaker 1: part of a great yea exactly. Yeah, he's okay with that. 1375 01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:51,280 Speaker 1: And let me let me, let me, let me dispel 1376 01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,800 Speaker 1: the other thing that's shocking them. We always say others, 1377 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,040 Speaker 1: but I don't they do. I hate the word others, 1378 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,960 Speaker 1: like you know how they say, oh, this and the others, 1379 01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,000 Speaker 1: because I hate that term. It's like it irks me 1380 01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,160 Speaker 1: every time I said, they hear it. I just want 1381 01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,479 Speaker 1: to scratch the freaking desk because it puts so much 1382 01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:14,040 Speaker 1: less value when you put a guy as you put 1383 01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:17,720 Speaker 1: Matt Bond is another. Stephen Jackson is the other. Like 1384 01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,720 Speaker 1: because you're not the star, because star doesn't mean star. 1385 01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:26,080 Speaker 1: Like because you take more shots doesn't make you the star. 1386 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:33,720 Speaker 1: Score more like Charles you you best score a rebound up, 1387 01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:35,960 Speaker 1: but you couldn't if you had to bring that ball up. 1388 01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:37,760 Speaker 1: We would have pressured your ass and you would not 1389 01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:41,360 Speaker 1: get the ball up. So you need Kevin Johnson to 1390 01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:44,040 Speaker 1: be the best point guard to bring the rock up. 1391 01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:49,640 Speaker 1: Like his role is so valuable and so underrated when 1392 01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,439 Speaker 1: you call him another you know. And that's what I 1393 01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,639 Speaker 1: had a problem when when um so I was talking 1394 01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,080 Speaker 1: about KD about routing the bus, and they started saying 1395 01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:01,360 Speaker 1: the bust thing. Oh yeah that when you're not a 1396 01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:05,559 Speaker 1: bus driver, no no, no time out. If you ride 1397 01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:11,080 Speaker 1: on the bus, that means your I'm getting upset. You're 1398 01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:15,160 Speaker 1: a damn passenger. A passenger does nothing but wait for 1399 01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,120 Speaker 1: the rival. That's it. Now. If he would have said 1400 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,759 Speaker 1: he's got the captain of the ship, I'm like, oh, okay, 1401 01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,920 Speaker 1: there's a first mate. M hm. Damn. There's even a 1402 01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:28,000 Speaker 1: program director for entertainment. That's important. Isaac got the bar 1403 01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,720 Speaker 1: to love boat. He was important. Like every part of 1404 01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:34,400 Speaker 1: the there's roles that's really important, but they're not similar. 1405 01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,439 Speaker 1: But when you say somebody's a bus rider at the 1406 01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,560 Speaker 1: level that k D is, it gives the perception for 1407 01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,479 Speaker 1: people who not played like us. They get in their 1408 01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:48,160 Speaker 1: mind that, oh, it takes one guy to win this ship. 1409 01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:51,720 Speaker 1: You bugging. It doesn't take one guy to win and 1410 01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:55,559 Speaker 1: actuality shack to be real. In real time, we are 1411 01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,000 Speaker 1: riding the same bus, nobody driving it. Yeah we got 1412 01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,720 Speaker 1: a bus driver. Are like like we all were on 1413 01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:06,920 Speaker 1: a ship. We're on a ship man. It's like no, like, no, 1414 01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,400 Speaker 1: no way that that that that that term, those terms 1415 01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,560 Speaker 1: bothered me even though that because it doesn't bother me 1416 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,200 Speaker 1: for us. It bothered me for they don't really know 1417 01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,040 Speaker 1: that you have to be at to be one of 1418 01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:24,439 Speaker 1: the best three seven something in the world. There's only 1419 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,000 Speaker 1: there's only five thousand of us that's ever touched the 1420 01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:32,479 Speaker 1: floor in the NBA, in the world and the history 1421 01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,880 Speaker 1: of basketball. You're gonna call me another Like when I 1422 01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,160 Speaker 1: got there was a dream. When I left, it was 1423 01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:42,439 Speaker 1: a reality. You know, when I left, he was just 1424 01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:46,080 Speaker 1: a dream. He was a reality. Like I got there 1425 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,120 Speaker 1: the year before they didn't make the playoffs and not 1426 01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm the best player, but I put everybody in the 1427 01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:54,800 Speaker 1: right spot, Like I know, now you don't go to 1428 01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:56,960 Speaker 1: the two. You don't have to handle the rock like 1429 01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,479 Speaker 1: boom boom, Like okay, now you're gonna have space in 1430 01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:04,400 Speaker 1: Like that makes you a championship team. What y'all been on, 1431 01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,920 Speaker 1: you'll understand that. Like when when they say that, I'm like, 1432 01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,280 Speaker 1: you're talking to people who don't understand the game. So 1433 01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:16,000 Speaker 1: Top seventy lists, who's the biggest snubs for you? Vince Carter. 1434 01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,120 Speaker 1: Vince Carter, he held the league down for like eight years, 1435 01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:22,120 Speaker 1: like he was the face of not his team. He 1436 01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,600 Speaker 1: was face of the league for eight years. You know, 1437 01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,720 Speaker 1: Tracy is probably right behind him, But Tracy was never 1438 01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,280 Speaker 1: to me the face of the league. Vince was the 1439 01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,479 Speaker 1: face of the league like David Stern and those guys, 1440 01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,400 Speaker 1: we need you to go to China, what we need 1441 01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,120 Speaker 1: you to He just facing the league and you know, 1442 01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:43,000 Speaker 1: so I thought he was the biggest snub and underrated 1443 01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,080 Speaker 1: because it's Johnny come lately. They're looking at events at Atlanta, 1444 01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,000 Speaker 1: Vnce called, you know, year twenty whatever. No, that ain't 1445 01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:56,200 Speaker 1: Vince Carter, like no, first on the scene and scary. 1446 01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,479 Speaker 1: Those guys didn't want to see events, like when he 1447 01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,559 Speaker 1: walked in the gym, like they didn't want to see him, 1448 01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,360 Speaker 1: like at all. Like so to me, that was he 1449 01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:09,679 Speaker 1: was the biggest stuff. Tracy was second right in there, 1450 01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:14,439 Speaker 1: um right in there. And Bernard King for me, because 1451 01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:20,800 Speaker 1: Bernard King was he was there. To me, I didn't 1452 01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,120 Speaker 1: see a small Larry Bird in them. Dudes didn't want 1453 01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,559 Speaker 1: to see I was. That's the air I grew up watching. 1454 01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,160 Speaker 1: They didn't want to see him, They didn't want to 1455 01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:32,400 Speaker 1: see James Worthy. Um uh, Larry Bird. They could not 1456 01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:36,479 Speaker 1: go him, and they could not go Bernard King five Dinner, 1457 01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:50,559 Speaker 1: Guess that or alive? Oh, Mandela, Bill Russell Obama, you're 1458 01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,400 Speaker 1: a female Seanna Rhymes. I would like to have heard 1459 01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:57,040 Speaker 1: here because she she writes stuff that typically isn't from 1460 01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,640 Speaker 1: our culture supposedly, and I like she's as stover. Yes, 1461 01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:02,760 Speaker 1: she's done a lot of different technically like oh, that's 1462 01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:04,400 Speaker 1: not your culture? How did you know? How do you 1463 01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:07,360 Speaker 1: know that? So? I would like her there? And who else? 1464 01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:14,200 Speaker 1: I got one more um my guys from up in 1465 01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:18,760 Speaker 1: All the Smoke? Yeah, I appreciate a whole different perspective. 1466 01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,360 Speaker 1: Keeping it right, keep it right. If you can have 1467 01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,160 Speaker 1: you know what my rookie year Steve Nash told me 1468 01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,240 Speaker 1: that he's like, bro, you can play a long time 1469 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:32,040 Speaker 1: in his league. But stop keeping stop worrying about keeping 1470 01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:36,080 Speaker 1: it reel, and start keeping it right, keeping it If 1471 01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,840 Speaker 1: you can have one guest on All the Smoke, who 1472 01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,240 Speaker 1: would it be? But before you answer, you have to 1473 01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,839 Speaker 1: help us get your answer on the show. And before 1474 01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,000 Speaker 1: you answer, we've had three of your your T n 1475 01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,040 Speaker 1: T showmates on the show. A race, there's only one 1476 01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,840 Speaker 1: more left? Yeah, who's the who's the one left? Chuck? 1477 01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:56,720 Speaker 1: Chuck yea, don't want you don't want. You's gonna say 1478 01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,400 Speaker 1: the same ship that we you see on TV. He's 1479 01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,880 Speaker 1: not gonna change his answers. It's not gonna we're not 1480 01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,640 Speaker 1: trying to change that. I would like to see him 1481 01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:08,360 Speaker 1: on your show, but he's not like the first person 1482 01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:11,519 Speaker 1: I think of. Yeah, I enjoyed when you guys have 1483 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:16,479 Speaker 1: like non like people. Was part of the basketball culture, 1484 01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:22,600 Speaker 1: but not part of basketball because like, like when you 1485 01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,639 Speaker 1: look at your wall, I can give you an answer. People, 1486 01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:27,920 Speaker 1: you only got to you only got one basketball play 1487 01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,120 Speaker 1: up here. You see what I'm saying, I gotta answer 1488 01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,240 Speaker 1: for you to think of one who's that you just 1489 01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,880 Speaker 1: did a movie with him, Adam saying, Adam sanding that 1490 01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:44,360 Speaker 1: you love. I'm a huge fan, bro. He is honestly 1491 01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,519 Speaker 1: the nicest guy I've ever met in my life. He 1492 01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:53,920 Speaker 1: and Drew carry from Prices right, the two nicest guy 1493 01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,720 Speaker 1: men I've ever met, Like, just genuinely nice other than 1494 01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,920 Speaker 1: the chemolage one. The most honorable guy, call me, call 1495 01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:08,080 Speaker 1: me most honorable um. And then Adam is the nicest 1496 01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,439 Speaker 1: guy him. So there we go. You heard it here. First, 1497 01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:14,640 Speaker 1: Kenny said he will get Adam Sandler of course for you. 1498 01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,800 Speaker 1: You know you look somebody. We look up too, so 1499 01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,559 Speaker 1: we got some gear from all I thought. I thought 1500 01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:25,200 Speaker 1: these were the um uh, you're sneakers. Your sneakers you 1501 01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:33,000 Speaker 1: had back in the day. No, no, I wouldn't give 1502 01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:40,840 Speaker 1: you them shooting. That's a wrap. Thank you Kenny Smith 1503 01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:42,880 Speaker 1: for your time. We know you're busy, man, but we 1504 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,160 Speaker 1: appreciate you kissing our Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the Heart 1505 01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:51,080 Speaker 1: platform Black Effects. 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