1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Fireworks and debate number two, and it wasn't so much 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: about Donald Trump being there as it was about the 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: people on stage trying to take each other out. How 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: nasty did it get? Well. If there's one clip to 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: sum up the debate last night, it was this one. 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: Every time I hear you, I feel a little bit 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: dumber for what you say. 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: That was Nikki Haley talking to Wamaswami Vivic Wamaswamy about 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: back and forth on different issues, and that was one 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: of the things that she had to say. Then there 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: was also Ronda Santis, who had a very good night 12 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: last night. I actually think he probably was the winner 13 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: of the debate last night because he had a lot 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: of things that he said that made sense about what 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: he would do if he is a commander in chief. 16 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: One of those examples was this, that is. 17 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 3: Why everything he said I view, that is why is 18 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: commander in chief. I'm going to use the US military 19 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: to go after the Mexican drug cartels. They are killing 20 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: our people. And the stories that I've see in Florida, 21 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: we had an infant eighteen months parents rented an airbnb 22 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: and apparently the people that had rented it before were 23 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 3: using drugs the infant was crawling. The toddler was crawling 24 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 3: on the carpet and ingested a fentanyl residue and died. 25 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: Are we just going to sit here and let this happen? 26 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: This carnage happened in our country. I am not going 27 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 3: to do that. So I guarantee you on day one, 28 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: this border is going to be a day one issue 29 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 3: for me as president. We're going to declare it a 30 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 3: national merchan Yes, we'll build the wall, we'll do remain 31 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 3: in Mexico. But those Mexican drug cartels are going to 32 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: be treated like the foreign terrorists. 33 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: Organizationsident They're going to be treated like foreign terrorist organizations, 34 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: which they are. Chris Christie also trying to get into 35 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: the action. One of the things Chris Christie said was 36 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: a lot about actually drugs and cartels in Mexico and China. 37 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: But then he had to take a shout at Donald Trump. 38 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: It didn't go over well. 39 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 4: Listen, Governor Christie as governor of a non border state 40 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 4: in twenty ten and you supported a path to citizenship, 41 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 4: but when you run for president in twenty sixteen, you 42 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 4: flipped saying immigrants. 43 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 5: Should be trucked life edis packages where do you stand 44 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 5: now on a path to citizenship for eleven million of 45 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 5: the community immigrants. 46 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 6: Well, the problem is that since no one has done 47 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 6: anything since we first had this discussion thirteen years ago, 48 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 6: we're not in a position to be able to do 49 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 6: any of that anymore. What we have to do now 50 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 6: is first treat this like the law enforcement problem. 51 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 7: It is. 52 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 6: Our laws are being broken every day at the southern 53 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 6: border every day, and Joe Biden and his crew is 54 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 6: doing nothing about enforcing that law. They are letting it go. 55 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 6: And by the way, they announced during the presidential race 56 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 6: that we're going to let it go. And we need 57 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 6: to have a president who acts like I did as governor, 58 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 6: enforce the law first and foremost. And that means what 59 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 6: I'll do on day one is sign an executive order 60 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 6: to send the National Guard to partner with Customs and 61 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 6: Border Patrol to make sure that we stopped the flow 62 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 6: of fentanyl over the border, but also to make sure 63 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 6: that we send a much different message. We want you 64 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 6: here in this country to fill the six million vacant 65 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 6: jobs we have, but only if you come here to 66 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 6: follow the law, and only if you come here legally. 67 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 6: If you come here illegally. We will apprehend you and 68 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 6: we will send you back across the border from which 69 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 6: you came. And the fact is that until we set 70 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 6: a lawn order agenda in this country, not only now, 71 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 6: but in the future, we won't be able to continue this. 72 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 6: And I'll look, I'll tell you this. Donald Trump failed 73 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 6: on this as well. He said he was going to 74 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 6: build a wall across the whole border. He built fifty 75 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 6: two miles a wall and said Mexico would pay for it. 76 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 6: Guess what I think if Mexico knew that he was 77 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 6: only going to build fifty two miles, they might have 78 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 6: paid for the fifty two miles. 79 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: That was a line that was supposed to be a 80 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: cheap shot. It came across as a cheap shot. I 81 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: don't think it helped him in the debate. I don't 82 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: think it helped him with the American voters. Now, you 83 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: take a look at what was said last night, and 84 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: there was a lot of things that were admitted from 85 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: the debate. There were some big mistakes by everybody on stage. 86 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: They were not talking about the Biden crime family, they 87 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: were not talking about the two hundred and fifty thousand 88 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: dollars wire transfer which I spoke about yesterday coming from Beijing. 89 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: While Joe Biden was running for president of the United 90 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: States of America in the summer of twenty and nineteen, 91 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: they were not talking about the fact that the address 92 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: used for the wire transfer was his residence, referring to 93 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: the President of the United States of America's residents. These 94 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: were missed opportunities there. Now. There was a lot of 95 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: back and forth, all right, Tim Scott, for example, who 96 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: landed a pretty big blow. I thought the biggest loser 97 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: last night was Vivid Ramaswami. It was clear that people 98 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: on stage they had done their research, they know a 99 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: lot more about him, and there was a lot of 100 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: people that were pointing out some of the big question 101 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: marks about Vivic and hey, we don't really trust you. 102 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: It was to a point where Vivic even said, I 103 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: know you don't know me right, and I know I'm 104 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: the young guy, and I know you're gonna have to 105 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: get to know me and you're gonna have to learn 106 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: to trust me. But the reason why he had to 107 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: say that is because the facts are starting to come 108 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: out about who he is. Listen to this pivotal moment 109 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: from Tim Scott going after a VIC and his relationships 110 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: with China. In fact, his relationships with people in China 111 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: that had relationships to the Biden crime family. One of 112 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: those relationships is with an individual that gave five million 113 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: dollars to the Biden crime family if the VIC was 114 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: doing business with him. 115 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 8: Listen, So doubt the fact that that when you think 116 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 8: of the Constitution in the fourteenth Amendment, it was certainly 117 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 8: written as it relates to slavery or not as it 118 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 8: relates to illegal immigration. It's been applied to illegal immigration. 119 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 8: So the challenge that we face is in fact one 120 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 8: that has to do with whether or not the people 121 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 8: that come here are under the jurisdiction of our laws. 122 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 8: And frankly, if you come here illegally, you are not 123 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:59,239 Speaker 8: Now surviving a Supreme Court argument is something I can't 124 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 8: tell you. From a perspective of the Constitution, I think 125 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 8: it's simple that clearly it was designed for slavery and 126 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 8: not for illegal immigration. I'll go one step further though, 127 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 8: when we have a conversation about the things that are 128 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 8: happening on this stage, we think about the fact that 129 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 8: a bag just said we were all good people, and 130 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 8: I appreciate that because last debate. 131 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 7: He said, we were all bought and paid for. And 132 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 7: I thought about that for a little while and said, 133 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 7: you know, I can't imagine how you can say that 134 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 7: knowing that you were just in business with the Chinese 135 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 7: Communist Party, and the same people that funded Hunter Biden 136 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 7: millions of dollars was a partner of yours as well. 137 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 7: It's not nonsense. 138 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 9: Respond These are good people who are tainted by a 139 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 9: broken system, and it's not the fault of anybody who 140 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 9: Thank you for speaking while and interrupting you said you 141 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 9: can on both sides, gentlemen, you'll have your time. 142 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 3: One of the business and China. Everybody knows that if 143 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 3: Joe Biden able, that's what. 144 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 7: We need to be. 145 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: I actually agree with Rondant. 146 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 4: Speaking at the same time, no one can understand exactly, so. 147 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 9: If I met, I agree with rond de Santas on China. 148 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 9: When every other CEO expanded into the Chinese market. You 149 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 9: know what I did with my first company, We opened. 150 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: The By the way, Vic there tried to explain why 151 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: he went into China, he also is working with a 152 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: Chinese medical company. Uh, not with with Chinese medicine uh 153 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: and pharmaceuticals instead of with America that also came out. 154 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: He also was in business with the individual that was 155 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: working with Hunter Biden and the Biden crime family. You 156 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: combined all of that, you put it all together, and 157 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: what you get from this is the VIC had a 158 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: very tough night. If you want to know who I 159 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: think the loser was, it was probably him. Now I 160 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: want to take a moment and last night, right after 161 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: the debate, center, Ted Cruz and I set down to 162 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: do our podcast Verdict, and I want you to hear 163 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: what he had to say about the debate last night, 164 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: especially being a former candidate on a stage with Donald 165 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 1: Trump and others, and his reaction to who he thinks 166 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: won and lost. Take a listen. 167 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: So you and I are recording this at is eleven 168 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: forty one pm East Coast time. 169 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 7: I'm in DC. 170 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 2: So the debate just ended a few minutes ago. I 171 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 2: got to say my reaction to it. This was a 172 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: bumpy debate. There were a lot of rocky moments. I 173 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: think most of the candidates did not help themselves. But 174 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: my clear conclusion from tonight is the big winner was 175 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: Ron de Santis. 176 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: Why is that? 177 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 5: Well? 178 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 2: I did not think that in debate one so remember 179 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: Debate one. We came together and I said, the winners 180 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: in Debate one were Vivek Ramaswami and Nikki Haley and 181 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: a little bit Mike Penson. The real winner was Donald 182 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 2: Trump because all three of them were elevated, and that 183 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: hurt DeSantis, and DeSantis needs to make it a two 184 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: man race with Trump. And so that was my take 185 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: on Debate one. I think going into tonight, Dessanus needed 186 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: to do well, and I think he rose to the occasion. 187 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: I think he did by far the best of anyone 188 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: on the stage several reasons. Number one is just the 189 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: behavior of the others. I think they bickered like children, 190 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 2: and I don't think it helped them. I think when 191 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: they were just yelling at each other, back and forth, 192 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: and back and forth and back and forth. When you 193 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: see a bunch of people screaming at each other, they 194 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: don't look like presidents. They're not behaving like presidents. Presidents 195 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: don't have to yap at each other. And I thought 196 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: there were times, particularly in the early in the debate, 197 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 2: when the debate kind of got away from the moderators. 198 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: As the debate went on, the moderators did a better 199 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: job of getting a little bit of control of it 200 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: and having a little bit more discus Ushan, But DeSantis 201 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: had several He had the best answers of the night. 202 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: The single best answer of the night was his answer 203 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: on education, and he was the topic came up about education, 204 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: It came up about school choice, and he gave a strong, 205 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: powerful answer about school choice about how number one Florida 206 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 2: implemented universal school choice. Florida's led the country in school choice, 207 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 2: so they've got a heck of a record to talk about. 208 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: He was asked about the attacks on their efforts to 209 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: root out critical race theory in Florida, and he directly 210 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: confronted that, and I thought it was a tight, crisp 211 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: answer that was strong. A second answer that was very, 212 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: very strong is where he talked about having victories and listen, 213 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 2: the reason people got excited about Dissantis when he launched 214 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: the campaign is the victories that he had in Florida, 215 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: big policy victories. He emphasized that. The third answer that 216 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 2: was really strong is where he talked about winning, and 217 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: he talked about winning in Florida even as nationally we 218 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: were getting clobbered. In twenty twenty two, he won by 219 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: nineteen points, and I think he did an effective argument 220 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 2: in many ways. His strongest argument against Trump is that 221 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: he won by while many other candidates that Trump had 222 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: supported nationally did not win that cycle. And his argument, 223 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 2: you want a winner, you want someone who can beat 224 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: the Democrats, I'm that guy. I think he articulated it 225 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: much much better tonight than he did in the first debate. 226 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: That that's why I think Ron de Santus won tonight. 227 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: You know, he mentioned that, you know, we've lost the 228 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: last three times. As he described it, right, we were 229 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: supposed to win in the last midterm elections. We were 230 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: supposed to win the election before that and the one 231 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: before that, and we didn't. And and he he also 232 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: compared in contrasts as you mentioned, I think extremely well, 233 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: and it clearly clicked I think with people watching. As 234 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: I was watching it live, just like you were there, 235 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this is one of those quasi 236 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: moments where he was reminded people of history, like not 237 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: only did we win when the nation was losing, when 238 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: Republicans are losing on nights, we should have won, but 239 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: we want it expanded in Florida. That was a potent 240 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: moment to remind people that we should have control of 241 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: the Senate right now, and we don't because we had 242 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: some bad candidate selection. Let's just be honest. 243 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: Look, Republicans desperately want to win. The Biden record is 244 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,599 Speaker 2: an absolute train wreck. And I got to admit I 245 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: lay awake at night in cold sweats that we will 246 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: see the Democrats re elected in twenty twenty four. The 247 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: damage they've done to the country in the last two 248 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: and a half years, Holy cow, if they get another 249 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: four what a bad outcome for the country. So as 250 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: I'm looking for a candidate, I want someone to can 251 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 2: win the damn race. And in many ways that is 252 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 2: Desantus's strongest argument. And in the first debate he didn't 253 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,599 Speaker 2: really make it, and he came a lot closer to 254 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 2: making it tonight, so I think he did better as 255 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: a result. 256 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the poll numbers coming out of this 257 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: real quick, give me your predictions of who rises and 258 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: who falls. We had already had one candidate out of 259 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,119 Speaker 1: Arkansas who's fallen off the debate stage, did not qualify 260 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: for this one. Everybody's goal is to make it to Miami, 261 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: to the next debate. In what four or five weeks. 262 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: That's obviously the center goal. But who helped themselves, who 263 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: is going to go backwards, and who could be in 264 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: real trouble. 265 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: Look, I think the ends of the debate stage we 266 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 2: saw Asa Hutchison fall off. I think the ends of 267 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: the debate stage are at real risk of being eliminated 268 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 2: from the stage. Doug Bergham his numbers. It's not clear 269 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: that he qualified for tonight, but they allowed him on 270 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: the stage. But I think his numbers, he's going to 271 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: have to do a whole lot of movement to qualify 272 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 2: for the next debate stage. I think Mike Pence, he's 273 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: the vice president, the former vice president of the United States. 274 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: He's a good man, he's a friend, but I think 275 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: he's right at the edge of not making the next debate. Also, 276 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: narrowing the debate stage is a good thing this race, 277 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: if there's going to be a real race. Look, in 278 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: many ways, this is sort of like a basketball playoff, 279 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: where it's a playoff to see who goes gets to 280 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: go against Donald Trump. And I guess you can sort 281 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: of think about it that Trump gets a bye. He's 282 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: the former president, he's decided to skip the. 283 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: Debates at the end of tonight. Was it also the 284 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: right strategy for him to skip debate number two? 285 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: Maybe? 286 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 6: Maybe not. 287 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: Look, I think he's enough ahead in the polls, the 288 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: national polls. He's up forty plus points. I mean that's 289 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: a strong lead. And I think his analysis, and it's 290 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: not a crazy analysis, is he's so far ahead, why 291 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: would he go and from his perspective elevate the other candidates? 292 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: You know, you think about in twenty sixteen, you had 293 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: two debates. You had the main debate and then you 294 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: had what everyone called the kids table, which were the 295 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: candidates that were at one and two percent, and very 296 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: few people watch the kids table. What Trump has effectively 297 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: done by skipping the debate is he's trying to turn 298 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: everyone else into the kids table, like this is not 299 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: the real candidates, He's the only candidate. I understand that strategy. 300 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 2: That is a perfectly rational debate strategy. I will say, 301 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: you know, Trump got popped a little more tonight than 302 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: he did on the first night, And in particular, I 303 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: think dessanis hitting him on abortion in life. Look Trump's 304 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: answer where he said it was a terrible thing that 305 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: the state of Florida passed a law protecting life. That's 306 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: an answer if you're talking to pro life activists in Iowa. 307 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: I don't know how you defend that answer. And I 308 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: think Trump did a good or rather Dissantis did a 309 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: good job of really holding Trump to account for it. Now, 310 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: if he'd been there, Trump could have given an answer. 311 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: Trump would have presumably said, look, I'm the guy that 312 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: appointed three justices that overturned Row versus Wade. I mean, 313 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: he would have made a forceful response. But he wasn't there. 314 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: And that's one one of the consequences of not being 315 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: there is someone can take a swing, they can hit you, 316 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: and there's not anyone there who's going to respond or 317 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: defend you. So there were several shots at Trump. I 318 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: think that's the the two that hit in any material 319 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: way where I think DeSantis's point on abortion hit. And 320 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: I also think the general point about we want to 321 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: win and what desanis argued is that he won in 322 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: Florida while Trump supported candidates elsewhere we're losing. Those were 323 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 2: two shots that scored some blood. Now do I expect 324 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: major movements in the polls. 325 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 7: No. 326 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: I think the polls will be very similar next week 327 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: to where they are this week. So I don't think 328 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: you're going to see a dramatic move, but I think 329 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: Desanis took a meaningful step towards making this a two 330 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: man race. And the only conceivable way anyone has a 331 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: shot at beating Trump is for this to be a 332 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: two men race, and I think this was a step 333 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: in that direction. 334 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you center about age on 335 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: the stage. There was a very interesting dynamic on the 336 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: stage where the elder statesman at the far right was 337 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: Mike Pence. If you were watching the instant responses on 338 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: social media, there were some people that felt that he 339 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: came across as maybe a little bit too condescending to 340 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: others on the stage. Some referred to it as the 341 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: Washington know it all arrogance. And then you had the VEK, 342 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: who had a pretty good debate last time. I don't 343 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: think he had as good of a debate this time, 344 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: that's my opinion. And you know, he was getting hit 345 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: from all sides tonight, a lot of people attacking him 346 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: on maybe some of his naivete on things like China, 347 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: and he even said, look, sometimes I come across as 348 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: a know it all, almost accepting that about him. Your 349 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: reaction to that dynamic of two very different people at 350 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: very different stages in their career. 351 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 5: Yeah. 352 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 2: Look, the Vek had a much rougher night tonight than 353 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: he did in the first debate. First debate did excellent. 354 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: He surprised a lot of people. He got on a 355 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: lot of people's radar. He really did well tonight. Look, 356 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: the other candidates don't like Vivec and they did not 357 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 2: hide that they were taking shots at him, and it 358 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: was that there was some pretty sneering moments. I do 359 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: think that the shot that scored the most was the 360 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: argument that that several candidates made, that that Nikki Haley made, 361 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: that Tim Scott made about Vivek being in bed with 362 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: communist China, and and they made some pretty specific allegations 363 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 2: of him being paid by the same players that paid Hunter. 364 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: Biden five million, by the way, paid to Hunter Byden 365 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: five million dollars, the same people, which when when you 366 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: hear that on stage, that's a that's a big for me, 367 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: a red flag, right, And Vivek. 368 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 2: Did not have a good answer to that. He he he, 369 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: he just he didn't respond on the substance. He just said, well, well, 370 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 2: we need to follow Ronald Reagan's eleventh commandment, So don't 371 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 2: criticize me, and and and I got to say in 372 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: the ass debate, Viveik did not follow Ronald Reagan's eleventh commandment. 373 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: And I will say, to Tim Scott's credit, Tim's best 374 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: moment was when he turned to him and said, hold 375 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: on a second, Vivek, you said every one of us 376 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: is bought and paid for. Who the hell are you 377 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 2: to say that? That was a good moment for Tim 378 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 2: because it really was a pretty obnoxious thing for Vivek 379 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: to say to allege that the other candidates are bought 380 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: and paid for. And if you're gonna do that, if 381 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 2: you're gonna if you're gonna say to the other candidates, 382 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: you guys are all prostitutes, you don't get to complain 383 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: moments later, Hey, don't criticize me. Be nice to me. 384 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: We shouldn't be be criticizing each other. And so I 385 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: think that, uh, that. 386 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: Was almost one of the big inexperienced moments when I 387 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: laugh when people say I want a new face who 388 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: hadn't done this before, and I'm like, until you don't. 389 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: And my point is sometimes experience in politics is actually important, 390 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: and it's important, especially when you get elected it's really 391 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: important when you're dealing with foreign leaders and world leaders 392 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: at a va very high level, when you're dealing with negotiations. 393 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,719 Speaker 1: If you've never been there before, this whole idea of oh, 394 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm the new guy in the block, it's cute until 395 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: it's not. 396 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 2: Look, I think the job of president of the United 397 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 2: States is a very serious position. I think the burdens 398 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: of it are enormous. There's a reason why just about 399 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: every president who's ever served seems to age about twenty 400 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 2: years in the job. It is an insanely difficult job. 401 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 7: You know. 402 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 2: I'm reminded of when Trump was newly elected, and I 403 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: think it was March of twenty seventeen. Trump had hiding 404 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: in me and the girls to the White House for dinner, 405 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 2: and it was a marvelous time. It was very nice 406 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 2: of him to invite them, and we brought our girls 407 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: there and as we're walking, we're walking by the Rose Garden, 408 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 2: Trump looks at me and says, Wow, who knew this 409 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: job was so tough? And I got to admit I was. 410 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 2: I am rarely at a loss for words. I was 411 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 2: genuinely flabbergasted. I was like, yeah, yes, some of us 412 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: kind of had that idea. I mean, it was really 413 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: a kind of And listen, I don't take that comment wrong. 414 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: I think when Trump was president, we accomplished an enormous amount. 415 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: But I also think this is a job that requires 416 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: a seriousness of purpose, a seriousness of execution, on ability 417 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: to communicate, to motivate, to get the job done, and 418 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 2: it is a I am generally skeptical of any candidate 419 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: who's never served in in any government position waking up 420 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 2: and saying, you know, I should be president of the 421 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: United States other than generals who won World wars, that 422 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 2: there's not a great history of that. 423 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: When you look at this moving forward, and you sit 424 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: there and you go, okay, I'm Donald Trump tonight afterwards, 425 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: I'm obviously going to watch this thing. He did his 426 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: counterprogramming with you know, uaw et cetera. But afterwards, eventually 427 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: you're gonna sit down, You're gonna take a look at this. 428 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: Are you uneasy or do you still feel very confident 429 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: that you're still going to have a forty point lead 430 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: after all this? 431 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: Oh look, I think Trump will still have a big, 432 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: big lead, But he's not happy that DeSantis did well. 433 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: Trump would have been very happy if if Ron de 434 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: Santis had sucked tonight, because as long as they're a 435 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 2: bunch of candidates. It's why in Debate one, I said 436 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: the biggest winner in Debate one was Donald Trump, because 437 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 2: if there are two or three or four people on 438 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: the stage that are gaining a point or two, he's winning. 439 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: As long as that field is fractured, he's winning. If 440 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 2: DeSantis gets some real momentum, if he makes it more 441 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: of a two man race, that's not ideal for Trump. 442 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 2: And so I'm confident Trump is not happy about that aspect. 443 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 2: I do think the next debate we will see one 444 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 2: or two people eliminated from the stage. I think the 445 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: smaller it gets, the more of a threat it poses 446 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 2: to Trump and everyone in the media who was saying 447 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 2: this race is over. Listen, that is at least a 448 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 2: historical at this point. At this point in the race, 449 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: we're still in September before the election. At this point 450 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 2: in the race, Jeb Bush was still the dominant leader. 451 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: He was starting to fade, and Scott Walker was becoming 452 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: the dominant leader. In twenty sixteen, after Walker, you had 453 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 2: a Ben Carson moment where he sizzled for about two 454 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: weeks he had a huge surge, and then after that 455 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 2: you had Marco Rubio. And at the end of the day, 456 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 2: if you look at twenty sixteen, Trump and I went 457 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 2: head to head, we were one and two in almost 458 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 2: every single state. No other candidate won more than a 459 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: single state. Kasikuad Ohio, Rubio one Minnesota, and Trump and 460 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 2: I won every other state in the country. I won 461 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 2: twelve states, He won the rest of them. So my 462 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: point is, the people who were dominant leaders in the 463 00:23:54,359 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 2: polls today in the twenty sixteen cycle didn't not win 464 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: a single state. So the world can change a lot. 465 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 2: That being said, Trump is still in a very strong position. 466 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 2: I mean, a forty point lead in the polls is 467 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: not nothing. It just doesn't mean the race is over, 468 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 2: as some in the media. 469 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: Are wont to say, let's talk about foreign policy. I 470 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: actually was a little bit disappointed in the depth of 471 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: that conversation, and I want to get your reaction to it. 472 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: There was obviously a lot of talk about China, specifically 473 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: with Vivek, but then you deal with Ukraine and you 474 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: deal with the border issue, for example. It didn't seem 475 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: to have a lot of depth there that I think 476 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: many people were hoping for. 477 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot of substance. There wasn't 478 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 2: a whole lot of analysis of what caused the border crisis. 479 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: I don't think any of those candidates have spent significant 480 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 2: time at our southern border. I didn't get the sense 481 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: that any of them fully understood it. You didn't have 482 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 2: an explanation as to the real human tragedy that our 483 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: crisis of the southern border is and why Joe Biden 484 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: is directly responsible for it. Look, I will say Chris Christie, 485 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: Chris Christi is the one candidate on that stage who 486 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 2: attacks Trump and does so repeatedly. I don't think he 487 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: helped himself a whole lot tonight. So for example, one 488 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 2: of his big attacks on Trump, and he's been doing 489 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 2: this on Twitter before, is he says Trump didn't build 490 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: the wall and he didn't make Mexico. 491 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 8: Pay for it. 492 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 2: Now, look, I get that's probably a pretty good line 493 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: if you're dealing with hedge fund owners and donors, but 494 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 2: it's a stupid policy attack. Look, there are things that 495 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: I wish Trump had done differently as president, but on immigration, 496 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 2: his record on immigration is excellent. And when Trump left 497 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 2: the White House, we had the lowest rate of illegal 498 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 2: immigration in forty five years. He negotiated the Remain in 499 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: Mexico Agreement. The Remain in Mexico Agreement worked, It worked 500 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 2: spectacularly well. Joe Biden inherited an incredible success on illegal immigration, 501 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: and Joe Biden deliberately blew it up within days of 502 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: becoming president. And so I think Christy attacking Trump. Look, 503 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: do I wish he'd built more border wall, sure, but 504 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: not acknowledging that on securing the border. Donald Trump did 505 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 2: more to secure the border than any president we have 506 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 2: had in our nation's history, and in any candidate. Not 507 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: saying that is being dishonest. So if you want to 508 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 2: find grounds to disagree with Trump, fine, but that attack. 509 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: I don't know of a Republican voter who's persuaded by 510 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 2: that attack, unless it's someone that already hates Trump. And 511 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 2: then they're like, yeah, yeah, Mexico didn't pay for it, 512 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 2: And it's like, come on, guys, I mean, he did 513 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 2: more than anyone else has ever done and the results 514 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 2: were really good. 515 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: And look, yeah, he was clearly trying. Chris Christy was 516 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: clearly trying to have a moment. I want to play 517 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: that because it was a very interesting part of the 518 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: debate you just mentioned it. Here is Christy in his 519 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: own words. 520 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 4: Governor Christie, as governor of a non border state in 521 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 4: twenty ten, you supported a path to citizenship, but when 522 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 4: you run for president in twenty sixteen you flipped saying 523 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 4: immigrants should be trucked. 524 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 5: Lie fetis packages. Where do you stand now on a 525 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 5: path to citizenship for eleven million of on the communited immigrants. 526 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 6: The problem is that since no one has done anything 527 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 6: since we first had this discussion thirteen years ago, we're 528 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 6: not in a position to be able to do any 529 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 6: of that anymore. What we have to do now is 530 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 6: first treat this like the law enforcement problem. 531 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 7: It is. 532 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 6: Our laws are being broken every day at the southern 533 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 6: border every day, and Joe Biden and his crew is 534 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 6: doing nothing about enforcing that law. They are letting it go. 535 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 6: And by the way, they announced during the presidential race 536 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 6: that we're going to let it go. And we need 537 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 6: to have a president who acts like I did as governor, 538 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 6: enforce the law first and form. 539 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 7: And that means what I'll do on day one. 540 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 6: Is sign an executive order to send the National Guard 541 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 6: to partner with customs and Border patrol to make sure 542 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 6: that we stop the flow of fentanyl over the border, 543 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 6: but also to make sure that we send a much 544 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 6: different message. We want you here in this country to 545 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 6: fill the six million vacant jobs we have, but only 546 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 6: if you come here to follow the law, and only 547 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 6: if you come here legally. If you come here illegally, 548 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 6: we will apprehend you and we will send you back 549 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 6: across the border from which you came. And the fact 550 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 6: is that until we set a law and order agenda 551 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 6: in this country, not only now but in the future, 552 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 6: we won't be able to continue this. And I'll look, 553 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 6: I'll tell you this. Donald Trump failed on this as well. 554 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 6: He said he was going to build a wall across 555 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 6: the whole border. He built fifty two miles a wall 556 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 6: and said Mexico. 557 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 7: Would pay for it. 558 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 6: Guess what I think if Mexico knew that he was 559 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 6: only going to build fifty two miles, they might have 560 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 6: paid for the fifty two miles. 561 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: But by the way, let center, if he would have 562 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: just stopped before he took the cheap shot at Trump, 563 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: which I don't think land with anybody that was watching, 564 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: certainly not Trump supporters, it would have actually been a 565 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: pretty decent response to the question. 566 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. 567 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 2: Look, there is not a single human being on planet 568 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: Earth that thinks Chris Christie would be better on stopping 569 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 2: illegal immigration than Donald Trump was. But there just isn't. 570 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 2: The question began with, gosh, you flip flopped and you've 571 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 2: embraced amnesty repeatedly in your career, and Chris Christi built 572 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 2: his career as a blue state governor and a liberal, 573 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 2: demoderate Republican and so the attack. Look, I think in 574 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: debates and in politics, truth and authenticity matters that when 575 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 2: you have when you make a point that's from the heart, 576 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: that's real, that can land. And so it's why I 577 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 2: think Dessantus's point about we need to win and we 578 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: didn't win the way we should have in twenty eighteen, 579 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 2: twenty twenty and twenty twenty two, that's a real argument. 580 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 2: That's something primary voters are like, holy crap, we can't 581 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 2: lose four And I'm a little bit nervous. I don't 582 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 2: want us to lose. Like that's an argument that has 583 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 2: some teeth. The argument that Trump didn't care enough about 584 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: securing the border, it's just not true, and I don't 585 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 2: think it hurts any of the candidates to acknowledge truth 586 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: and reality to say, yeah, look, I mean we had 587 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 2: some real successes on securing the borders. There're more to do, sure, 588 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 2: but you didn't have anyone explain what caused this crisis 589 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 2: was the decision one decision from Joe Biden, which is 590 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: to embrace catch and release, so that now when illegal 591 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 2: immigrants are apprehended, they let them go and they don't 592 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 2: deport them. As long as you do that, you cannot 593 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 2: solve the problem. That means the next president if you 594 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: simply say, if you cross into this country illegally, we 595 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: will catch you, we will put you on a plane, 596 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 2: and we will fly you back to your damn country, 597 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: that's the answer. That's how you secure the border. And 598 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 2: and you know, I didn't have anyone with that clarity. 599 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 2: But I think Christie's answer on that it didn't land 600 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 2: because it was hitting Trump in an area of strength 601 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 2: and not an area of weakness. 602 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: All right, make sure you share this podcast on social 603 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: media to help us grow, please, so we can reach 604 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: other people and write us a five stary review. If 605 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: you would take a moment to do that, it helps 606 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: us reach more people. And I'll see you back here tomorrow.