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<v Speaker 1>This is Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Masser and Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly on Bloomberg Radio. So as probably a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>our listeners know, I know Jasin Kelly knows this. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a big fan of all girls and all women education.

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<v Speaker 1>Um my daughters in it, all girls upper school. I

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<v Speaker 1>went to all Women's college. So I'm very excited about

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<v Speaker 1>our next guest, Dr Marisa Marissa Poor Jess. She's head

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<v Speaker 1>of the Baldwin Schools and all Girls K through twelve school.

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<v Speaker 1>She's got a new book out today. It is entitled

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<v Speaker 1>What Girls Need, How to Raise Bold, courageous and Resilient Women.

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<v Speaker 1>And she man her background. She's a former U. S.

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<v Speaker 1>Naval officer and former senior advisor to the White House

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<v Speaker 1>during the Obama administration. And she joins us on the

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<v Speaker 1>phone from Pennsylvania. Very impressive. But I have to say

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<v Speaker 1>I look forward to a day when we don't say

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<v Speaker 1>that about a women because all women have your backgrounds.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a given. Yes, exactly, We're all awesome and

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<v Speaker 1>we are all bold, and that's the story we want

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<v Speaker 1>to tell our next generation. Well, we'll tell Marissa tell

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<v Speaker 1>us about you know, what is the biggest difference between

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<v Speaker 1>girls and what girls need and what boys need, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to learning in their early years, that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to pay off big time later on, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>they're out in the work world. Yeah, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>the sense that we need to give our girls earlier

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<v Speaker 1>and earlier some of the key skills that will differentiate

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<v Speaker 1>them when they are adults, things that came to me

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<v Speaker 1>later in life. You may have your own stories about that.

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<v Speaker 1>When you learn to negotiate, when you learn to self advocate,

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<v Speaker 1>These things that you know, by large come more naturally

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<v Speaker 1>to young boys um social norms the way they're raised.

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<v Speaker 1>But we meet our girls who have those strong voices

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to step into a room and negotiate,

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<v Speaker 1>haven't ask, and have it be effective in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that feels personal to them. It's also interesting to think

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<v Speaker 1>about some of the key skills that are very natural

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<v Speaker 1>to our girls, how they emphathize and communicate, and if

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<v Speaker 1>we can lean into those strengths that will be their

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<v Speaker 1>competitive advantage when they're older too. So it's both, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>bridging the gap and helping them lean enter their strength.

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<v Speaker 1>Well and Messa, it's interesting to have this conversation as

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<v Speaker 1>Carol pointed out earlier in the show, like we're having

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<v Speaker 1>this series of conversations almost by accident. I mean we

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<v Speaker 1>totally planned it. On the show today, around education, we

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<v Speaker 1>were speaking with the dean of the business school down

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<v Speaker 1>at Fuqua uh Fuqua Business School at Duke University, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was talking about sort of this three three layered

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<v Speaker 1>approach to some extent around leadership, which I'm guessing you

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<v Speaker 1>would agree with because he talked about I Q and EQ,

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<v Speaker 1>which we talked so much about, but also d Q,

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<v Speaker 1>which I would say is dairy queen, but he would

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<v Speaker 1>say is the decency quotation, which I think is so

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to think about as we try and raise empathetic

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<v Speaker 1>young people, and I wonder, how do you teach something

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<v Speaker 1>like that or how do you nurture it? Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>such a critical part of how we need to raise

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<v Speaker 1>the next generation, and this idea that it can actually

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<v Speaker 1>be taught. It's a learned skill that can be reinforth

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<v Speaker 1>even in how in what books you choose to be

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<v Speaker 1>your no kids, we learn empathy by taking other people's perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>is by stepping into other people's shoes and then thinking, well,

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<v Speaker 1>not just how would we want to feel, but how

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<v Speaker 1>would they want to feel? So read fiction, Read fiction

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<v Speaker 1>where the protagonists, especially for young girls, is someone who

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<v Speaker 1>is a young girl themselves but has a different background.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, It's something that we leave into our curriculum

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<v Speaker 1>at Baldwin and I know, Carol, I'm sure your daughter

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<v Speaker 1>school does as well. But when you think about this

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<v Speaker 1>for all our girls and there are boys too, especially

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<v Speaker 1>these days when we're really trying to bridge gaps and

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<v Speaker 1>understand different perspectives, and so that is a key way

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<v Speaker 1>you can actually teach the skill of you of excuse me, empathy, um,

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<v Speaker 1>alongside these other skills that we've know, we've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>already so far. Right, So I do want to ask you,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean not to take this in too much of

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<v Speaker 1>a turn, but Carol mentioned your background, and I do wonder,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, give us the one minute version of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of how you touch those different things and end

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<v Speaker 1>up um doing what you're doing leaving in school. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's uh one of the things who want

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<v Speaker 1>to teach our girls to risk a getters and all

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<v Speaker 1>their follow their personal passions and see where it gets them.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had the good portion of going to Baldwin,

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<v Speaker 1>myself by too, and I'm a lung of an all

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<v Speaker 1>girls school. And when I was young, my dream job

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<v Speaker 1>was to fly just for the Navy, and I pursued

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<v Speaker 1>that passion and then it took me different directions and

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<v Speaker 1>one day was given the opportunity to give back to

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<v Speaker 1>the community that gave me so much and set the

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<v Speaker 1>stage for the next generation. And so it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those moments where we take risks in new ways and

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<v Speaker 1>learn to lean into leadership. So it's it's both the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that I had my own uh chance, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to give it to the next generation to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure they're set up for success. To what was

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<v Speaker 1>your experience so uh in the in the U. S. Military,

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<v Speaker 1>in the U S. Navy, because I feel like that

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<v Speaker 1>can be such a difficult world for women still. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's uh part and parcel of having

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<v Speaker 1>navigated a lot of male dominated fields and for everyone

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<v Speaker 1>who's listening, and it's been a tech industry, on a

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<v Speaker 1>corporate industry and finance, it's still a place where there's

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<v Speaker 1>so many barriers that we see in a daily basis

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<v Speaker 1>that you get used to them. Um, it's the moment

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<v Speaker 1>when you put on your equipment and you realize the

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<v Speaker 1>equipment was made for a man of a different size,

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<v Speaker 1>in different shape and doesn't really sit me. So I

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<v Speaker 1>actually had a final waiver saying if anything happened, idea,

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<v Speaker 1>okay with it and want through the US military. And

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<v Speaker 1>yet um, Yet it was you know what I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do when I had a good portion of having mentors,

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<v Speaker 1>male mentors as well, who set the stage for me

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<v Speaker 1>and allow me to pursue that passion. But I do

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<v Speaker 1>think that it does take a certain um resilience, a

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<v Speaker 1>certain uh competitive spirit. I mean that was for me

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<v Speaker 1>something that really made a big difference, um. And that

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<v Speaker 1>we want to make sure our girls have those core

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<v Speaker 1>skills they can pursue these fields no matter um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when they get older, no matter what the gender bias

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<v Speaker 1>looks like. Then well, I'm thinking about your book too,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm wondering what the Marissa today would tell the

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<v Speaker 1>younger Marissa, UM, based on what you've learned. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's interesting. I Um, I came to my

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<v Speaker 1>voice despite my all girls upbringing, um, and despite a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of what I was told, I think, um, and

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways I came a little bit of my

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<v Speaker 1>voice late. I mean, there's one story in the book

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<v Speaker 1>where I had the most pivotal moment of my career

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<v Speaker 1>at some level. UM was sitting around the table in

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<v Speaker 1>the West Wing with the President of the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>That moment we all dream about, where you're like stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, literally, you know, asking talking about national security,

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<v Speaker 1>talking about my area of expertise, and it was the

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<v Speaker 1>cliche of tat got your tongue? And I watched other

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<v Speaker 1>people around the table UM speak to my issue set,

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<v Speaker 1>and I left just thinking, Wow, I missed my opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>I had the good fortune of being able to sit

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<v Speaker 1>down with UM the President later and speak to him

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<v Speaker 1>about Um al Qaeda and is this in my issues?

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<v Speaker 1>And so I did recover UM. But I do think

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<v Speaker 1>those moments when I too realized that there was just

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<v Speaker 1>a hurdle I had to overcome and I had to

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<v Speaker 1>still train myself even as a young adult, to do

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<v Speaker 1>these things. And I think we want to the next

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<v Speaker 1>generation not to have those moments. Right, Let's get back

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<v Speaker 1>to our conversation with Dr Marissa Porches. She is currently

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<v Speaker 1>the head of school at the Baldwin School. Former U

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<v Speaker 1>S Naval officer former senior advisor to the White House

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<v Speaker 1>and Marissa. I wanted to pick up kind of where

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<v Speaker 1>we left off because Carol asked a great question about

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<v Speaker 1>what you would tell your younger self. And what's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>is you have, like I guess, a few hundred of

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<v Speaker 1>your younger selves that you're talking to all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I do wonder when you came into this job,

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<v Speaker 1>what was one thing or a couple of things that

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<v Speaker 1>you changed or adapted or or did differently based on

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<v Speaker 1>your experience there as a student, but then your later

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<v Speaker 1>experience in the military and then uh in the government. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well on you know, on one hand, we have such

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<v Speaker 1>expert teachers and administrators that I you know, have the

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<v Speaker 1>good portion of letting them. We invent the curriculum, daily basis,

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<v Speaker 1>and things that go on in school these days. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just it blows your mind. So, um, you know, on

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<v Speaker 1>that level, I was walking into a really wonderful situation. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet I always think we can do more to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to our girls and really be honest with them

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<v Speaker 1>about what takes for um, for young women to grow

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<v Speaker 1>into their best leadership self. And so we did start

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<v Speaker 1>a leadership course for our seniors and we talked very

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<v Speaker 1>directly about some of the challenges that both face, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>as women, not just in college, but as they leave

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<v Speaker 1>and enter the real world. And I think as the

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<v Speaker 1>system is changing, there's still a lot of barriers to

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<v Speaker 1>entry and things that we want our girls to know

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<v Speaker 1>about before they meet these situations so they can face

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<v Speaker 1>them head on. And I think it's also about UM

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<v Speaker 1>teaching really how our girls want to, you know, learn

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<v Speaker 1>from failure, how they should be taking risks, how they

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<v Speaker 1>need to be resilient. And that's part of this book

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<v Speaker 1>as well, is really what we can do to teach

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<v Speaker 1>the skills of resilience, the skills of risk taking UM

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<v Speaker 1>from an early age so that you know they're ready

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<v Speaker 1>to be the entrepreneurs that we know they need to

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<v Speaker 1>be and want to be when they get older. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say, Bam, Marissa Man, when you said about

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<v Speaker 1>this idea of taking risks, like I mentor a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of younger women, and I constantly am saying, and I

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<v Speaker 1>say this to my daughter who's seventeen, you know, make

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<v Speaker 1>yourself uncomfort ball and don't be afraid and and take

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<v Speaker 1>those risks, because I do think that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>big difference between men and women. And I know that

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<v Speaker 1>there are studies out there that even for jobs that

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<v Speaker 1>women feel like they have to take the boxes on

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<v Speaker 1>everything and men are like, yeah, I got most of them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm perfect for the job there. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know whether it's just the d NA what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but I feel like that's something that women and young

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<v Speaker 1>girls have to be more comfortable with, and studies show

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what you're saying. And I think every woman listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the show can can remember a moment when they

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<v Speaker 1>realize they let some guide take an opportunity that could

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<v Speaker 1>have been there is if only they were a little

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<v Speaker 1>more of a risk take or put themselves forward. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think if we can talk about this from

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<v Speaker 1>an early age and there are things we can do

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<v Speaker 1>concretely to push all girls to to practice feeling uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 1>used to those moments and they build a muscle that

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<v Speaker 1>later on when there are bills, will be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know I got this. I'm okay with that moment

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<v Speaker 1>because when I was little, my parents, my teachers, by

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<v Speaker 1>family members encourage that in me. And there's tricks and

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<v Speaker 1>skill and strategies that work for that. And that's for

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<v Speaker 1>the book of it out. I have to follow up Jason.

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<v Speaker 1>I I'm like pointing at him. I'm like, yeah, see

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<v Speaker 1>it's you man. But no, I don't really mean that,

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean there is something about you. Do mean that,

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<v Speaker 1>You're just hopefully not talking about me. But now I

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<v Speaker 1>was around. I have a lot of nieces and they're

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<v Speaker 1>in their mid you know, or young twenties. But this

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<v Speaker 1>whole idea of like women are so quick to say

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<v Speaker 1>sorry and back off, and and I do think that

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<v Speaker 1>there is something in society that has yet to change

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<v Speaker 1>to accept women who are powerful and strong and aggressive

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<v Speaker 1>very much though. And there's interesting studies that show about competitiveness, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and how we nurture this healthy competitive nature we think

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<v Speaker 1>competition is. You know, I thought of as bad for

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of our young girls. They think, No, it's

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<v Speaker 1>about I don't want to beat my friend, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to stand out at the spelling be or on

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<v Speaker 1>the soccer field. And need our girls to thrive in

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<v Speaker 1>a competitive environment because it's a good thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Guys don't when we know that it takes that to

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<v Speaker 1>get to the top in any industry. Um, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>healthy too. It's not a malad adaptation. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about that, it's about how we own our best

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<v Speaker 1>self and you know, and and have a little fightyness

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<v Speaker 1>with it. You know, you could call it aggressiveness, but

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<v Speaker 1>you could also describe vicenis too. Right, Yeah, and be

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<v Speaker 1>in the game. Right. I have one last question, and Jason,

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<v Speaker 1>I will let you talk at some point, but let

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<v Speaker 1>so you're gonna have to come back. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>think a female vice president? If that's what we got,

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<v Speaker 1>what I was I was going to go to politics next,

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<v Speaker 1>because we've heard this criticism of a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>people who are vying for this job. She's a little aggressive. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think a female vice president might bring

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<v Speaker 1>to a ticket and really more importantly an administration, a

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<v Speaker 1>White House and ultimately our nation. Well, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>such an important moment of the country. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>one thing we have seen that UM women bring to

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<v Speaker 1>the table the diversity of perspectives and willingness to see

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<v Speaker 1>from lots of different perspectives, how to solve a problems,

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<v Speaker 1>how to lean into a moment and really collaborate UM

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<v Speaker 1>to find a solution. And I think that comes with

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<v Speaker 1>how we communicate naturally, how Um, we emphasize and how

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<v Speaker 1>that's we enforced throughout our lives. And I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>something that will, you know, sort of the next administration,

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<v Speaker 1>well if if it goes that direction. But I'm excited

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<v Speaker 1>to see that play out, and hopefully we're all ready

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<v Speaker 1>for it, right, And that's that part of the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>We're so ready. In fact, it's a way over exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>We feel very very ready for that. All right, Really

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<v Speaker 1>good to catch up with you. Congratulations on the book.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate your time and your efforts around this. Dr

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<v Speaker 1>mer support just She is the current head of the

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<v Speaker 1>Baldwin School and the author of What Girls Need, How

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<v Speaker 1>to Raise Bold, Courageous and Resilient Women, a really important read,

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<v Speaker 1>timely to say the least. She's a former U. S.

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<v Speaker 1>Naval officer senior adviser to former President Barack Obama. Carol, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's another one we have to come come back to.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's been grappling too with having to shut down

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<v Speaker 1>her school. I was kind of checking out some of

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<v Speaker 1>the videos that she has been posting online for her school,

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<v Speaker 1>and UM, you know, it's tough for anybody who's in

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<v Speaker 1>education right now and and trying to find the way forward,