WEBVTT - Debbie Pierce & Kim Ferry 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:09.320 I'm Debbie Peers and I was key hairstylist on the Office. 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:12.879 I'm Kim Ferry and I was the department head for 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:23.279 the office. Hello everybody, You're gonna love this one. Uh. 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:28.080 First off, welcome to another installment of the Office Deep Dive. 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:34.360 I am your host, Brian Baumgartner. The studio is crowded today, people, 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:39.400 I am bringing you my conversation with the other half 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:43.600 of our hair and makeup crew, the hair department of 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.479 the Office. Now, if you haven't already, go listen to 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:50.920 my interview with the office is head makeup artist Laverne Karacuzzi, 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.280 because we make a few references to that conversation here. 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:56.440 But then be sure to come right back to hear 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:01.440 more fascinating behind the scenes stories from my very good 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:07.000 friends Debbie Pierce and Kim Ferry. Now, having Debbie and 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:11.240 Kim in the studio, it was like it was like 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:15.080 getting a warm hug. I mean, when you think about it, 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:19.720 I spent an entire decade of my life working with 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.000 the two of them, and they really are extraordinary people 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.080 to work with. They brought a brand new perspective to 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:30.400 the beauty of the office conversation, Like you won't believe 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.280 how long it took to make sure Meredith's bald cap 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:38.640 looked well bald, and and the thought that went into 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:43.759 Pam's hair evolution. I truly had no idea the care 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:47.560 and concern that these women gave not only to the show, 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:51.600 the plot, the crew, but but also to each other 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:56.040 in really difficult times of their lives. It's nothing short 0:01:56.040 --> 0:02:00.400 of astounding. We were lucky to have them on set then, 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.800 and well we're so lucky to have them on the 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:09.680 podcast now. Now. Maybe that's enough tuting of their horns 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.520 for now. I think our conversation really speaks for itself. 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:20.480 So get ready to be blown away, like like the 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:25.280 hair dryer blown away anyway. The wonderful geniuses that made 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:29.040 up the hair department of the Office, Debbie Pierce and 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:38.000 Kim Ferry, Bubble and Squeak. I love it, Bubble and 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:44.320 Squeak on Bubble and Squeaker, cooking at every moment, lift 0:02:44.560 --> 0:03:03.880 over from the nut before. What is? Oh my god, 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:10.120 it's so good to see. Oh my god, are you 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.440 I'm good. I'm good. Oh my gosh. Thank you guys 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:20.119 so much than it's fun to get together, man, look 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:26.200 at you. I love the shirt. Well done, very well done. 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:30.360 Um you today, this has been so great? Are you 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:35.120 kidding me? I saw Laverne yesterday, Yes, yes, Um. I 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.320 mean so many writers that are all now running their 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:46.200 own worlds. Mike Sure and Brent Forrester, Claire Scanlon and 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:51.480 Jenna Angela and Rain We've done so it's just so 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:57.760 fun to see everybody. I know. But it's it's amazing. Um. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:59.760 I was out and I had my jacket on the 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:03.240 we got season five or six or something, and all 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.960 of a sudden, I was in a restaurant and this 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.600 girl said, oh, I love your jacket. I said, do 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:13.480 you watch the show? Oh? Yes, we love the Office. 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:17.359 It was a whole new generation, right, I mean anywhere 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:22.160 from thirteen to thirty five. I mean, it's it's a 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.480 whole new group of people. Why do you think that is? 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.280 I don't know. I think they just identified with the characters, 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.000 and uh, that is on Netflix now and it's reruns 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.520 and the series. So I just think they get a 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.040 character that they really like and and they identify with 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:44.000 them and it just has snowballed. It's it's amazing. Yeah. 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.240 I mean we have been talking about and part of 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.640 what I'm going back and looking at is. You know, 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:53.520 we were the top scripted show on NBC for a 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:59.400 long time, but the show now is bigger than it 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:04.440 was that through Netflix. I'm just like, what, I don't know, 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.720 what do you think? Just people identifying with the characters? Yeah, 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.960 I just you know season too, it hit its prime. Yeah, 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.000 that's when it really did. It did, and they just 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.960 wanted to see what was Steve gonna do next time? 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.440 And the whole cast of characters. Really, the whole cast 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.240 of characters, you never know what they're gonna do or 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.479 say no. Because we were just laughing before you came 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.719 in talking about Kim. When she called me about the show. 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.000 She said, Debbie, UM, you know I'm gonna do this 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.200 little show called The Office. You know, it's just about 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:37.240 five um actors, you know, a couple of girls and 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:41.360 uh so simple, you know, you know, can what you think? 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.120 Come and join me and let's do this. I said, okay, okay, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:49.680 I'll call you tomorrow. So I didn't. I said, yeah, Kim, 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.240 I'd like to do that. I'd like to do that 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:57.080 with you. And then this little show blew up into 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:03.760 this mega It was that hit. Yeah, so you said 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.320 the show hit its prime in season two? Is that 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.320 because that's when you guys came on it is it 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.479 your responsible right? Exactly right? And you know we didn't 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.680 have any budget either. We were so do you remember 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:17.920 we were literally throwing like a can of hair sprayed 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.400 to each other across like over the actors. Do you 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:26.039 remember that we had no budget. We supplies and stuff 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:29.359 on my own, right, and then Kim would go to 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.159 set and I would be in the trailer, so I 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.640 had to do all the guest actors and everything body 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.760 that came back. So all of a sudden, we looked 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.120 at each other set, Uh, this is getting to be 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:46.159 bigger then we thought. So, you know, then after you know, 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.520 see what the season three or four that we were 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.760 able to get it really got another additional partition because 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:54.160 it was kind of our one. But remember we would 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.559 take breaks to we would sat down and we didn't 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:57.760 know if the show was going to come back and 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.680 see and they'd be like, okay, hey, we got another six, 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.760 let's just do these six right, great, Okay, we'll be 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.359 back great, and then it would sat down again, and 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:10.680 it was really confusing those first steps two season two. Yeah, 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.320 but it made it through. That must have been hard 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.840 from a crew perspective to to you know, like we 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.400 did that first six of season two, and then we 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.920 went away and we had no idea if we were 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.480 coming back or you know, and then and and that's 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:29.560 real tricky because people need to know where their money 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.200 is going to come from, of course, and so you 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.080 get scared that you lose your crew because you know, 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.360 you don't want people go to other the shows, you 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.080 know and stuff. But we were blessed. We were blessed. 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.000 We kept our crew pretty much together. I mean, there 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.280 were a few people that had to leave and stuff, 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.880 but we were blessed all the way to the end. Yeah, 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.520 what do you think was so we were going for 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:59.560 a very realistic look, moving away from what television was 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.800 at that time, if you think about friends and stuff 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.840 was did that present challenges or did that make it easier? Yeah? Yeah, no, 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:10.400 presented challenges, especially for me. Well you know, both of 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.360 us want to oh yeah, yeah, so we both worked. 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.240 It worked in salons, you know, prior to getting into 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.440 film television. But um, you know, when you see a 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.840 person and something looks array, you know, out of out 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.360 of whack and stuff, you immediately want to go over 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.880 there and do something. And also with the makeup. I'm 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:32.880 sure the verrant probably told you you want to at 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.600 least haven't had a little colitude a person and everything. 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.360 So yeah, it presents a challenge. And so it was 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:44.280 funny because remember we didn't the second season though you 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.760 were all having your own makeup and your own stuff. 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:50.040 They we weren't touching them. You're forgetting that because they 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.360 were getting their own touch ups at their own station 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.280 and they had there and we would be sitting waiting. 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.680 We would not go in that second season because that's 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.520 that was per Pulfi, per Greg Daniel. But that was 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.960 hard that, yeah, that you don't It was you guys 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:05.800 that were touching yourself up and we would see you 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:12.480 at the season three okay, season three we were able 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.240 to then actually go in and start doing touch ups 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.480 on you. But season two it was very I remember 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:22.719 going in different probably wasn't supposed to, but I did 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:27.880 not did not in season two it did, okay, I remember, 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:33.640 oh my gosh, yeah, and I um I remember Ken 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.240 Koppas was talking to me about he said that there 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.400 was and this was before you, but on the on 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.360 the pilot and moving forward as they were sort of 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:45.720 establishing the look, and Ken went to all of the 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:50.960 heads of department and said, anything that you would get 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.680 fired on on some other show are the things that 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.959 we want. So like, if a hair is out of place, 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.800 and if a lighting isn't quite right, if we don't 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:05.000 have a perfect frame shot on an actor, that's all good. 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.200 We want those little mistakes to make it, you know, 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.640 feel more real. Yeah, and that's kind of what you 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:13.720 were told to write, like the hair did not have 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.920 to match. Yeah. I mean originally I was offered the 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.720 first six episodes, but I was still working on another show, 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.440 so I couldn't do it. But I wish, I wish, Yeah, 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.040 I just I couldn't because when we came in second season, 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:32.120 everything changed. The whole look of the cast, yeah changed. Well, 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:37.160 Steve had he was the first severe on that first season, 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.080 and Kim softened him up. It looked great. Yeah, So 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.520 what was the direction. We've talked a lot about that about, 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:45.760 you know, feeling like if we were a show that's 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.600 going to go on for longer than a season or two. Yeah, 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:54.240 that Michael, we needed to find some redeeming values. And 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.720 then they started writing in short ways and his look changed. Well. 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.760 He also he had gone through you know, the Virgin 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.040 so he basically had lost a lot of weight too, 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.960 and looked a bit different than we did it first. 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:08.960 But I remember coming in and having a meeting with 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.800 him and in the trailer actually and just discussing with him. 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.800 You know, I watched the first six episodes when I 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.280 knew I was going to get the second season, and 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.240 I told him, I really you know, they wanted him 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.120 to look like Gordon Gecko. That was like his look. Technically, 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.960 that's what they designed it for. Its gray slick, but 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:27.800 it was too for me. It was too greasy and 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:31.840 too slick and and not flattering and severe. Right, So 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.680 I told him, like, I really want to make a 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.480 big change, and I want to discuss it with you. 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:37.839 And I did that pretty much with a lot of 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.240 the actors, just kind of asking them, you know, how 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:42.600 do you feel and what do you want and then 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.400 let's incorporate this and then I can pitch it to 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.520 Greg because he did have the final say over looks 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.480 and things, and he was really great though. I mean, 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.280 he would always listen to us and if we really 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.199 wanted to push one kind of look or one certain thing, 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.200 it was okay, and he would always come around, so 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:01.439 that was great. I really appreciated his thought. Yeah, so 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:06.600 doing that, trying to create that very sort of realistic look, 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:11.520 ultimately it is more difficult than sort of that high fashion. 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:13.880 I don't know. I don't know. It was easy, it 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.920 was casual. It was also looked like real people, so 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.080 they can be a little dishovel. I mean, it's almost 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.880 easier because you're not doing the high end glam stuff. 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.520 We're not putting on these you know, when I was 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.120 doing Pretty liars, like they have all this hair, you 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.160 have this makeup, you have this wardrobe. We didn't really 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.520 have that, so it wasn't except when we do special shows. Yeah, 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:36.000 when we did the Halloween episodes. Halloween episodes were always tricky, 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:38.640 but yeah, I loved it though. I did every single 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.640 week on that show entire time. Yeah, and I remember 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:47.559 even the Halloween episodes. If you think of other shows 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:51.319 that have Halloween episodes, the makeup, the hair, like, everything 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.440 should look perfect, right. But Greg, I remember there was 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:58.520 a discussion about him saying, well, but these are real 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.839 people who are dressing for their office, so it's not 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.120 gonna look perfect. He was very adamant about that these 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.560 aren't people that are going to spend huge amounts of money. 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:09.560 They just want to throw like a cheap He's like, 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.800 make sure it's a cheap, simple wig that someone would 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.080 buy office, you know, a basic store. It's not like 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:19.400 a whole thing. Although we got a little more into 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.280 that when you know, Rain and Creed and they started. 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.200 We started with the wigs, and it got a little 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.680 better as we went further. But in the beginning, yeah, definitely, 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:30.320 and I wanted to show and tells for him. I 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.680 would walk upstairs, I would present the whigs because he 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.679 would give me an idea of you know, I want, 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:37.840 you know, Mindy to have this, I want you know, 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.480 Rain to have this um and he would kind of 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.199 give me some ideas to go with and then I 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.240 would present it to him. So I would carry it 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.560 up and go to the writers. I try to make 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.560 sure not many writers were in there, so that it 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.360 was just kind of him and I wouldn't get too 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:52.800 many beings because it gets lost. But it was great 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:54.920 that the collaboration was fun and they were always open 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:56.360 to it, and it was fun to be in there 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.240 and watch them like laugh at this stuff and be like, Oh, 0:13:58.240 --> 0:13:59.800 that's gonna be so great or it's gonna be so 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.600 good on them. It was fun. Do you feel there 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:08.040 was more collaboration on the office than other shows. Yes? Absolutely. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.080 I think what I love about Greg is that he 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.640 even if he wanted to discuss it, like he would 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:15.680 listen and he would hear your side of it. It 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:17.840 wasn't in other shows where they're just like, no, we 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.160 want it like this. So, you know, he's such a 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.400 kind person. And he would kind of stroll into our 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.120 trailers sometimes and just wander around, which I love. And 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.240 we were doing right and I'd be like anything He's 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.360 like no, and he just like walked through, like need 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.520 a haircut or anything. Sure, great, he's aidelic Sometimes he 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.760 just you know, randomly come in. But yes, he's such 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.680 a good person. But he trusts the people that he hired, 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.360 and that's what I respect and that's what I really 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.600 appreciated about him. Yeah. He it's what do they say, 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.920 what's the He's smart enough to know what he doesn't know, 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.080 you know, like he you know, like and get the 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.760 people that do. Yes. Have you said that quote about 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:01.920 Steve even a way too? What was it? Okay? This 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.600 is a great speed of the leader is the speed 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:10.920 of the game. That my girlfriend gave me that quote, um, 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:15.200 meaning that the person that is upfront is who has 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:20.920 the you know, the authority and the wherewithal umbility responsibilities, 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:25.240 our leader. They're they're the leaders, and then the gang follows. 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.400 So whoever is upfront, they're going to look at that person. 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:33.200 That's what keeps us together, the leader. Yeah. Do you 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.840 think Steve was a good leader? Yeah, I do. Great leader, 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:41.320 a great leader. So, Debbie, when Steve left, I was 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:46.240 reminded a lot of people went around from different departments 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:51.960 and told stories about Steve. And three different people have 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:58.200 told me one story, which was the story that you told, Um, 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:05.720 it was about him. You were in a van. Yes, Uh, 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.560 Steve was quite a gentleman and Um at that time, 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.760 nobody really knew. But I was going through a situation 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.200 with my hip. I was in a lot of pain 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.920 and getting up and down on the van was very 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:23.240 hard for me, and so UM, Kim and all the games, 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.400 you know, they kind of knew, and so they would 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.120 let me sit in the front when we would go 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.600 on on location and stuff. So this one day, UM, 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.320 we were all gathering into the van, um Steve and 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.360 some of the actors, and I went to proceed to 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:40.600 go in the back and he looked at me. He goes, Debbie, 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.840 where are you going? I said, well, I'm letting you stay. 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:47.800 He said, you go and take that seat, and I just, um, 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.720 I just thought that was such a kind thing, because 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.720 here is he's the star of the show, and he 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.840 always did. He would stand there at that van. He 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.840 would hold the door and help us in the van. 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:04.320 You know, I said, some mama's raised a nice young man. 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:10.320 But that's how he was, right. Yeah, but he did 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.720 that with everybody, even you know what I mean, even 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:16.560 just like he would wait and some other people would 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:20.080 just go to their trailers, but he always stood there, 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:24.359 every single woman down, every single man. And yes, so 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.320 that meant so much to me. And it was funny 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.320 because we came back, I think it was towards the 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.720 end and um, he said, how are you doing, Debby? 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.120 I said, I'm doing fine. Since I've seen you got 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:41.840 a new hips bionic now and since then I've got 0:17:41.920 --> 0:18:07.120 another new Hi. I am the bion. I was talking 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:12.400 into Laverne about what people don't realize is the hair 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:17.840 and makeup trailer is what is what is it is 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:22.360 the trick. It is the place where everybody comes. Um, 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.480 you can make a break a show in the makeup 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.640 and hair trail. I'm serious. You can make or break 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:30.600 a show well because the way the environment is created. 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.439 The way the environment is created because when actors come 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.680 in in the morning, that early in the morning, it 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.320 has to be calm and a safe place that they 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.919 know they can come in. They can you know, study 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:46.560 their lines, they can just relax and you as you work, 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.719 you get to know your actors. You get to know 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.760 when they're feeling okay and when they're not. You get 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:55.720 to know when you can talk to them and laugh 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:57.600 and joke, and you get to know when you need 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:00.240 to shut up and don't say nothing exactly walk way 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.760 and you need to walk away I mean, or you know, 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.720 just give them their space, right. Yeah. So I told 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.000 the producer that one time on another show. I said, Um, 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.960 you know you gotta know that it starts right in here. 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:18.159 We create an atmosphere and give them a place of 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.720 safe safety, a safe player and the kind place we 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.480 might play music that's soothing so that they can get 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.840 into character and give them the performance that you need. 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:33.040 You know, it's very interesting. I haven't really thought about 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.080 this before, but just hearing you talk, just go with 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.440 me for a second. Maybe this is bad, but when 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.320 you hear some of what you're saying, the thing that 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:43.600 is occurring to me is that you don't realize that 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:49.879 as an actor, you're being poked and prodded kind of 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:53.040 for twelve hours a day. Yeah, Like there's no in 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.960 in no other sort of business. Are there people up 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:02.320 in your business business? Right hours, it's like unzip your pants, 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:05.560 take off your pants, let's run this wire up your leg, 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.560 onto your chest, onto your skin. You know, someone's touching 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.199 your face and touching your hand, right, And there are 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.960 times where like you're trying to work on a scene, 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.480 you're trying to do something and it's just like poke poke, 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.879 poke poke, and so yeah, like the necessity to have 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.480 an environment, especially first time that we're just getting ready 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:29.479 like like sort of like stay away jackals. Let's you know, 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.600 let's at least start the day we have to do 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:36.320 these things, but let's try to create an environment that 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:40.160 doesn't create sort of high stress and high anxiety from 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.320 the very beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well will you 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:46.480 try to feel your actors, and when you go you 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:49.399 might look up a Brian, do you need anything, and 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.440 you'll say no, and I'll say, okay, back off and 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.240 go to the next person, you know. So we try 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:58.600 to respect that because we know that that is a 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:01.080 thing where somebody's I'm gonna at you all the time. 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:04.760 Sometimes it's like okay, I need a break here, right. Yeah, 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.119 And especially I would say for continuity photos too. I 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:10.040 know we had that thing up there, you'd have to 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.639 stand there with all four sides, something that we have 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:15.000 to do. And I know it's got to be annoying 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.560 when you're we do, but we have to do our 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:20.480 job too, because this is the stuff we have to submit. 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:22.080 This is we have to turn in. This is going 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.400 to be a record, because sometimes it is the question 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:27.439 was that curl this way? Or was it that? And 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:32.600 then But basically, you guys were really really good. I 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:36.000 mean you were very patient. And I went to another 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:39.000 show and uh no, no, no, no, no no no. 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:43.119 Somebody told me Phillis was on another show, and um 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.440 she went in and the guy said, I need to 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:54.080 take your picture. Phillis got up there, she said, turn around. 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:59.200 The guy said, Dabby, she did all four sides was 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:04.600 trained well, real crazer. We foller today. It was hilarious. 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:09.920 Phillis just turned around. She didn't she didn't squawk about anything. 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:15.600 That's because we had to do that. Yeah. Well we 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:19.119 had such a large cast, a large and it just 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:21.320 get up bigger and bigger. This season, it just kept 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:23.880 up getting bigger and bigger and bigger. So so many 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:26.680 people to track and have to take care of. Yes, indeed, 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.960 we had to keep a book. Yeah, Laverne talked about 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:36.440 the battle plan. Yeah, that was important every day. That 0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:38.840 is something that the eighties would make for us. And 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:41.560 we'd have basically a chart and it would have like 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:43.119 at the top of it it would be you know, 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:45.480 Kim and then who I do, and then Debbie and 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:48.320 who she does down the line, and then then there 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:50.200 was a makeup side as well, so we could really 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.399 know and understand who was going where at what time 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:59.119 because it was so many people getting through the work first, 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:02.000 and then when it was like everybody had to be 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:05.320 out on set, well that was you know, we had 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.360 everybody through, but we got him through. We did all 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:12.560 the time. All the time. We did. Who were the 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:20.639 actors that you principally took care of. Um. I did Steve, John, Jenna, Angela, 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:27.480 b J Mindy and make sure yeah he was yeah yeah. 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:31.119 And then you and I did Phyllis, I did you, 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:38.440 I did um Kate, Oscar and Leslie and then guest 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:42.960 started to split them up. I loved I bet you did. 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:48.240 Everybody loved address you're Everyone was like Debbie, you know 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:51.080 he was British, Debbie, his hair is fine. Why are 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:56.359 you still messing with his hair? Funny little more, Debbie, 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:04.000 get your hands, get your hair off. Indes hairby it's professional. 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.399 He's he was a nice guy. He was really a 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:14.160 nice guy. Um, but you took care of you both 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:18.440 worked on it. But kind of the biggest I think 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:23.719 I can't think of really anything bigger hair additions throughout 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:30.480 the series became Kevin's tupay. I almost brought that today. Yeah, 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:32.200 I thought about it because it's in my storage. You know, 0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:36.040