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Speaker 1: you guys like basically my whole life and then being
Speaker 1: able to work with you guys, like you said, since
Speaker 1: I was very young and hopefully we can do it again.
Speaker 1: How that I'm older, But you guys man paved the
Speaker 1: way many ways, brother, many people, So thank you for
Speaker 1: having got jury and a kind of ship. No, no,
Speaker 1: he had no jury. Man lash out of Indiana, like, man,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, that's what you gotta respect about what Trevor's
Speaker 1: doing right. Okay, Trevor is doing right? Is I care?
Speaker 1: But I don't care. But I don't, But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go surf. I'm probably surf after this, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe a little parkore on your fake grass, I don't know,
Speaker 1: shoot a couple of jumpers on into the pool, backflip
Speaker 1: into the pool. He's prepared, He's prepared for all things.
Speaker 1: But then he says, don't get ship twisted. I got ice,
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it on me. It's very new,
Speaker 1: it's very new. I just funny thing is I said
Speaker 1: I would never do it, and then I was like, man,
Speaker 1: explain that. So this I got this first. This is
Speaker 1: just a little link to get cuping, a little link.
Speaker 1: I didn't want it to hang too low because I
Speaker 1: like to be shirtless. So anyways, you right, you under
Speaker 1: saying yeah, no, so I wanted that, and then born
Speaker 1: artists my company. This is like the imblements of sharks.
Speaker 1: Sharks will die if they stopped moving forward, stop swimming,
Speaker 1: to literally die. And I feel like that's why I'm
Speaker 1: with music when it comes to entertainments. Yeah, he's got
Speaker 1: crocks on. Hey, man because I don't care really but
Speaker 1: still kind of and he's bodying a paintbrush meaning arts
Speaker 1: and all things art like we want to suck the
Speaker 1: art name up in a good way. Wow. So so, Trevor,
Speaker 1: you're one of those You're one of those rare human beings,
Speaker 1: um who can do anything. Like everything that I've mean
Speaker 1: you do or whatever task you've taken on high level,
Speaker 1: high level, you done it and done it well. Well,
Speaker 1: we looked at what we love to do on Army
Speaker 1: Money podcast is we like to start at the beginning,
Speaker 1: even though we need the people need to understanding back
Speaker 1: to Indiana. We want on the journey. We want to
Speaker 1: we want to know the first day you said as
Speaker 1: somebody said, he got it, and then we want to
Speaker 1: go from there and get to the shark with crocs
Speaker 1: on because I didn't always have always You're a first
Speaker 1: to put crocks on the shark, you know. And if
Speaker 1: Disney cos your ship, if you niggas make a shark feet,
Speaker 1: if y'all come out with a shark feet, I know sharks, Dad,
Speaker 1: I just want to wear shark feet. Were we together? It? Okay?
Speaker 1: So the beginning. I started tap as when I was
Speaker 1: three years old, I remember Gregory Hunt alright, alright, see
Speaker 1: the young man. No, it's history to tap dancing. At
Speaker 1: three three years old, I remember I was my mom.
Speaker 1: This is what she claims. She says that I was
Speaker 1: flipping around and she didn't want to hear myself. She
Speaker 1: took me to a gymnastics class and I walked by
Speaker 1: the room and think it was happening. I was like, whoo,
Speaker 1: so I want to do that. And then I just remember,
Speaker 1: like anything I want to do. I'm like just trying
Speaker 1: to study and like who's great? And I just remember
Speaker 1: seeing Gregory Hinds. And it wasn't just that he was happening.
Speaker 1: He was just like when he was on screen, everybody
Speaker 1: else was like, who is that? Why is he The
Speaker 1: way he walked away, he spoke um, and he's sang
Speaker 1: and whatever. I saw her. Forget what the movie was,
Speaker 1: but he was singing in it, he was tapping in it,
Speaker 1: and you know he was on TV s he was acting.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I want to do that. Whatever
Speaker 1: all of these things are I want to have. I
Speaker 1: want to do all that. That's kind of where it started.
Speaker 1: I started, like, uh, competing in different places and stuff.
Speaker 1: And then I remember I went to some workshop in
Speaker 1: New York and some guy, his name is Lane Napper.
Speaker 1: He worked for Nickelodeon at the time, and he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: we know he could dance, but he's got something like
Speaker 1: just put him into up else, make him do something else.
Speaker 1: Did a local Broadway show called even Boards Christmas Show,
Speaker 1: and then from that I did Lion King the Broadway
Speaker 1: show for like three years, and that that changed my
Speaker 1: whole life. I told when you when you was eight
Speaker 1: years old eight to eleven, Simba, I was Smber. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was the whole first hour of the show and
Speaker 1: um at eight at eight, yeah, And I remember I
Speaker 1: can remember at that time, I never thought about being on.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just like, I'm just having a
Speaker 1: blast from a backflips, I'm singing. Didn't even think about
Speaker 1: what it was doing. He didn't think about it as
Speaker 1: work either, No, not at all, not at all. And
Speaker 1: I remember there was a day and I don't remember
Speaker 1: what day, but some day I wasn't performing, and I
Speaker 1: remember just you can only really see the first row
Speaker 1: when it's like that, Yeah, the life. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've never done broad Away, you know, No, I don't
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you can only really see and
Speaker 1: I only see everything's blacked out in the SUPERCI perform
Speaker 1: multiple concerts in the right right. Okay, cool? So Mr
Speaker 1: burns from me. That's so. Yeah. They're in the front
Speaker 1: row and I just remember them being like like that,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, why are they smiling? And
Speaker 1: I looked on stage. I was like, I'm only one
Speaker 1: up here. So I was like, oh wait wait wait
Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait, completely by yourself. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like numbers where I'm just singing it's just me,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, they're all smiling like happy, And I
Speaker 1: was like, is that because I'm it's me? I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, that's what I want for life. If I
Speaker 1: can do that, and it doesn't have to be just
Speaker 1: on stage. Is anyway that I can like affect someone's day,
Speaker 1: make them happier. It's done something, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So after that, I told him, I mean, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is it. I'm I can't go back school. I mean,
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta perform. I've gotta dropped out of eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish bro The wars that me and my mom
Speaker 1: had about he dropped out of eight never looked back,
Speaker 1: never never looked back. Um. Yeah, So then that people
Speaker 1: were like, okay, so we should go to New York.
Speaker 1: L A. I'm an l A guy. No respected it
Speaker 1: in New York. I love New York. I love people
Speaker 1: from New York. New York as the place is just
Speaker 1: not my I don't think I would thrive there. So
Speaker 1: we have a thing when when when you put out
Speaker 1: the disclaimer of no disrespects, no disrespect, I love New York.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, A was just the place that you wanted
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, I want to be I like ocean,
Speaker 1: you know, I like water, and I like I like
Speaker 1: open you know. Aaron moved out here in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight and been shipping away man since then. That's
Speaker 1: from fifteen years up in the Iron. So but during
Speaker 1: that time, right from Lion King, I remember when your
Speaker 1: label Reps came to that's the thing, right, like, no,
Speaker 1: that that was the thing because people don't understand the
Speaker 1: music business. You have to have certain bullet points for
Speaker 1: people to even be interested, right because from the outside,
Speaker 1: people just like, oh well, if I gotta check you
Speaker 1: work with me. You know a lot of people gotta
Speaker 1: check a lot of people, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: and you get to a point in a business where
Speaker 1: you've had enough success where you can pick and choose
Speaker 1: who you want to work with if it makes sense
Speaker 1: for you, right, Because one, everybody can't work with kids,
Speaker 1: and you were a kid, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like you still hyper, but you was even more hyper then, right, Like,
Speaker 1: so it's like all of those factors. That's why people
Speaker 1: like Jermaine dupri have the utmost respect for Jermaine Dupris
Speaker 1: for being able to work with multiple kid acts. That's tough, right,
Speaker 1: because you gotta write the right record too, right, It
Speaker 1: can't beat or to that. We've experienced that with you, right, So,
Speaker 1: and that's that's what that's what I'm getting to. Like,
Speaker 1: I remember having a conversation and then seeing you in
Speaker 1: the lobby and of course every as soon as the
Speaker 1: first thing they do all kids acts. If you can sing,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a young boy, not even just sing,
Speaker 1: but it's Michael Jackson. Everybody's Michael jack You're gonna either
Speaker 1: sing Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder. So listen, if you
Speaker 1: guys are watching this, If you sing my Chael Jackson
Speaker 1: and Stevie Wonder from me I'm kicking you out the studio. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm putting this this their a legends, their legends. They
Speaker 1: are who they are, right I am. I think it
Speaker 1: was Who's loving you might have been it was, but
Speaker 1: that was years ago. But that break out into that
Speaker 1: I'm kicking you your mom or your uncle and your
Speaker 1: daddy out the studio. It's one more song to added
Speaker 1: to that though, too. Which one is that the kid
Speaker 1: Alicia Ki? Yes, yes, something. I was like, okay, because
Speaker 1: they find songs that the kids can push. I've heard
Speaker 1: at least not kids singing at that point. You're on
Speaker 1: Atlantic Records. Yeah, okay, Wait, before that, I met with everyone,
Speaker 1: and you know, everyone says what they say, awesome, cool,
Speaker 1: Atlantic said the best stuff. So I went with them.
Speaker 1: Um and yeah, I was fifteen years old. That was crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy experience, very green at the time, you know, but
Speaker 1: it's very dope. Um yeah, and then we met right, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: what the heck? That was ten years ago. That's at
Speaker 1: uh yes and yeah yeah yeah dude, And I still
Speaker 1: remember some of the stuff we did, some craziness. We
Speaker 1: did some and still needs to come out. I still
Speaker 1: sing hold up. And we wanted to put you on
Speaker 1: a level because you had the tools right and and
Speaker 1: there of course, he said, there has to be a
Speaker 1: fine balance between you being a kid, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and you being an adult and what you
Speaker 1: can um actually conveyable. That's you know what vocally, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we met you at fifteen at UM the studio hard
Speaker 1: that that. Oh, but but what's the one that I
Speaker 1: can't think of it, but that's we got you maybe
Speaker 1: seven maybe around seventeen eighteen, which we felt like was
Speaker 1: a perfect time because it was like the coming of
Speaker 1: age thing. Obviously, we spoke about that off camera, like him,
Speaker 1: you know, us doing a Mario when he's like eighteen,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like we had already worked
Speaker 1: with Chris Brown, different artists that we had worked with
Speaker 1: that were like young men, right, fifteen young boy, seventeen
Speaker 1: eighteen young man. And for us, we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is the pocket, this is where we're going to.
Speaker 1: We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna give him that ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because because you know, you
Speaker 1: become very aggressive eighteen or will just say eighteen for
Speaker 1: the for the sake of what I'm gonna say. After that,
Speaker 1: at the age of eighteen, you were, you know, young lion.
Speaker 1: Sure man, they know. I remember who was coming by
Speaker 1: the studio. Yeah, those are those are amazing times for real, honestly,
Speaker 1: And I remember you guys, uh just like pouring in man,
Speaker 1: and then you'd be like, Yo're like going there, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come back, have the vocals done, and I want
Speaker 1: him to sound like this was to sound. And I
Speaker 1: was like, because you at the time, you know, you
Speaker 1: were still doing a lot of stuff yourself, like you
Speaker 1: were vocal producing yourself, and so we were very impressed
Speaker 1: that at seventeen eighteen years old, you were like really
Speaker 1: tapped into the quality. Yeah, make sure that it's good, man,
Speaker 1: it's all you have left. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going like, yo, this record it is um. But
Speaker 1: it was the fight right like you were like explained
Speaker 1: that because I mean, obviously we have our side of
Speaker 1: how we saw it from the outside looking in, but
Speaker 1: explained being seventeen eighteen years old, coming of age, young man,
Speaker 1: wanting to get your ship off at that point, you
Speaker 1: want to get your ship off, Yeah, and it's hard
Speaker 1: right now, you're trying to tell a label that you've
Speaker 1: been signed to since you were fifteen that no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm grown now about to be grown? Right? Um. I
Speaker 1: think it was you know what, To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I think it was partly me. I don't think I
Speaker 1: understood the beauty of honesty until I got a little older,
Speaker 1: because even at eighteen, I felt like I was still
Speaker 1: under I feel like I was still under the mask
Speaker 1: of like we were just talking about Michael, and I
Speaker 1: was always like, Michael wouldn't say that, or no, I
Speaker 1: was like trying to hold myself to pretty sure you
Speaker 1: said that to us. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did.
Speaker 1: They're like, we can say that. I was like, Michael,
Speaker 1: Michael wouldn't say that. Whoever even met Michael. You met Michael,
Speaker 1: You're Michael. Look look at it. Look at Michael. Oh,
Speaker 1: Michael beat up bubbles for him. Hey man, we do
Speaker 1: a drug. I'm sorry I didn't know that. Wow, But
Speaker 1: you never told me that everything. Um, I thought you
Speaker 1: were told me that we're not gonna but no, that
Speaker 1: was mine. That's where I was at that time, like,
Speaker 1: oh I got to do this, I do this right. Um.
Speaker 1: So I think I was partably part of the problem
Speaker 1: for that too. Um. And like I said, it wasn't
Speaker 1: til later that I was like, oh man, I just
Speaker 1: gotta everything feels better when it's real, or at least
Speaker 1: it's something that you want, you know, um, because people
Speaker 1: can tell you to do a certain thing and you
Speaker 1: can do it, but it won't be as good as
Speaker 1: if you're like, hey, I love that thing and don't
Speaker 1: want to do it, like yeah, it's it's it's I mean,
Speaker 1: we can pitch it to pitch it all day, right right,
Speaker 1: but I think we saw something in you and about
Speaker 1: you that you knew, probably probably scared of it, probably
Speaker 1: were like I mean. And then add add to the
Speaker 1: fact that you know, Mom's is heavily in the so good,
Speaker 1: so good a spot. Moms was heavily in the building.
Speaker 1: Yeah you always yeah, right right right in the studio
Speaker 1: in the Bible right for she's like now traveling, now
Speaker 1: come on, even now, I'll be playing to it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: let me let me cook. I understand, I understand it.
Speaker 1: And then you know, trying to you know, manage it
Speaker 1: from an image standpoint in terms of where you and
Speaker 1: what you think, and it's all about and that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying like these image things are only from people
Speaker 1: that have been have existed already, and if you're trying
Speaker 1: to do something to or create something, you realize that, hey,
Speaker 1: this path hasn't been made yet, you know, the footprints
Speaker 1: in the same haven't been made. So maybe I can,
Speaker 1: you know, but it takes time, you know. I used
Speaker 1: to have a kind of like a spirit of like,
Speaker 1: oh I wish, but now I'm just like, everything is purpose,
Speaker 1: So everything is happening at the time is supposed to happen.
Speaker 1: It makes sense now, So you you, you're acting was
Speaker 1: developed in a space that I think, I think most
Speaker 1: actors should you know, should dabble in at least once
Speaker 1: or twice. And that's that theater stage, because that theater
Speaker 1: stage is unforgiving. Yeah, no it is. I just had
Speaker 1: to go. I just brought away at this beginning of
Speaker 1: this year the top dance kid. And that was the
Speaker 1: hardest thing I've ever done in my whole life's ever
Speaker 1: learned the whole show in eleven days. And then how
Speaker 1: did how many shows every week? I did well, only
Speaker 1: it was only like a week long run, but it
Speaker 1: was every day every day for sure, and Saturday Sunday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you can't can't party, you can't hang out, can't
Speaker 1: do anything. It's like, if I want my voice to
Speaker 1: sound good tomorrow, I've got to not talking to anything.
Speaker 1: So I hated it. I hate not to be be developed
Speaker 1: in this space that I think every actor needs. You
Speaker 1: need that. Okay, I only have one takes. I better
Speaker 1: be on my that now groomed you for the music part.
Speaker 1: I think that's the passion and that's you know, that's
Speaker 1: the love and I think that that was that's probably
Speaker 1: the harder part for you to figure out for sure,
Speaker 1: for sure. And then you move into yeah TV and
Speaker 1: it goes crazy, Yeah, for sure. So how would how
Speaker 1: did you make that transition? Like what was the call?
Speaker 1: Because you at this point you were music music and
Speaker 1: then you have to say, Okay, how'm gonna pay for
Speaker 1: my videos? Let me let me put this you know what.
Speaker 1: That's a great way to gonna pay for music, real
Speaker 1: real music business. Yeah, because when you want to do
Speaker 1: what you want to do, you gotta pay for it.
Speaker 1: You gotta pay for it. And that's the thing, like
Speaker 1: you're saying, because if somebody like we're talking to people
Speaker 1: can pitch all day and if I don't bite, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, that's not the greatest idea. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go do what you want to do, but we're
Speaker 1: not gonna We're not gonna give you bread for it,
Speaker 1: and we're not gonna push it, and we're not gonna
Speaker 1: market it. But sure, if you want to be creatively free,
Speaker 1: you go do that. And to do that and to
Speaker 1: have the ship I like because I watched it, and
Speaker 1: I'm the most critical person on the planet. I watched
Speaker 1: my own ship like that. So I'm like, I gotta
Speaker 1: make sure that it it's fire. I gotta get the
Speaker 1: hundred camera, I gotta rent it, I gotta get this guy,
Speaker 1: I gotta get the great lighting team. I gotta get
Speaker 1: the people coming in, and it's gotta look good, and
Speaker 1: I gotta have a good story. I've gotta I don't
Speaker 1: want my video to look like every video I've got,
Speaker 1: you know, and to do that you have to have money.
Speaker 1: And so obviously I love acting, and that's I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not disclaiming that that's a huge part of my
Speaker 1: life and it's saved me many of times just throughout
Speaker 1: the human experience. But definitely a big part of it
Speaker 1: is when I want to make a music video, I
Speaker 1: can make it. And I think that's all I like
Speaker 1: we're talking about. For it is what I have is
Speaker 1: like those are my stories, those are my visuals to
Speaker 1: my stories. That's how I see the world, and I
Speaker 1: want to be able to provide that. So acting has
Speaker 1: financed your music for sure, hundred percent, dude. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, do you feel like the acting
Speaker 1: help put you in a in a better space for
Speaker 1: your music to be absolutely to be heard? But I think, okay,
Speaker 1: So I think musicians know, like when they hear myself,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But it's hard for an
Speaker 1: audience when they've seen you as something for a minute,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's yeah, yeah being pigeon home for sure.
Speaker 1: And it's sometimes Rice versus some people don't do music.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I didn't know he's on to it.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like whatever you found first, that's what
Speaker 1: you identified with. This is who that is to me. Um.
Speaker 1: But I think that just comes a time in consistency.
Speaker 1: I think if you put out six albums in their
Speaker 1: own toper, you know, people are like, Okay, he's not
Speaker 1: just trying to make music. He makes music. That's because
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you. It's very interesting to
Speaker 1: me to see every character off of every show drop
Speaker 1: a song. Yeah, I'd be like wait wait wait such
Speaker 1: and such yeah, thing too, and it kind of it
Speaker 1: waddles it down to a certain degree because a lot
Speaker 1: of it isn't good, right, and you wanted to be
Speaker 1: because you like the character they are on the show,
Speaker 1: are they played in this movie? And then that music
Speaker 1: hid and he's like, boy, you ain't who you did.
Speaker 1: And that's tough, especially for artists like yourself, right, who
Speaker 1: just a just a consumer sees you as one thing,
Speaker 1: and now you're judged by almost what other people are doing, right,
Speaker 1: because their song wasn't that good, So they're like, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna listen to hyeah. Right. So that's why to me,
Speaker 1: it was really it was really important for Drake to
Speaker 1: become Drake because that you can't put that stigma on
Speaker 1: people anymore of the oh he only does right, Like
Speaker 1: obviously Jamie Foxx, who was an anomaly, right, he's just
Speaker 1: he can do anything. He's an alien absolutely, um. But
Speaker 1: when Drake came and did it, it was like Will
Speaker 1: chaired Jimmy right, like nobody expects it will chair Jimmy
Speaker 1: to be the top rapper in the world and maybe
Speaker 1: R and B singer for men too. Like you know,
Speaker 1: I mean like he I mean he did it. He
Speaker 1: did it, and I definitely listen. I was trying not
Speaker 1: to listen, but also still at the same time, I
Speaker 1: don't even really hear what he's doing. I need that
Speaker 1: little steel tolle melody. No no no, no, no no no,
Speaker 1: I don't hear it. But so for someone like yourself,
Speaker 1: was that also inspiring for you to see that that? Okay,
Speaker 1: especially in your age range too. Drake's not for sure
Speaker 1: for sure, I mean funny say that because I have
Speaker 1: a you know, I'm always working on the album seven
Speaker 1: It's night Night. But for one of the intro tractors,
Speaker 1: a bar that kind of alludes to that, UM, just
Speaker 1: saying like, uh, you know, okay, Sorry, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: changing topic. Do you guys think that in some circumstances
Speaker 1: or most you need a co sign or something like that?
Speaker 1: Two certain, because when I think about I think Drake
Speaker 1: needed Wayne. Yeah, yes I do personally, you know, someone
Speaker 1: someone else. I think Drake will say that. Um, Wayne's
Speaker 1: co sign was huge, right, right, And did you kind
Speaker 1: of have or was whiz kind of on his I
Speaker 1: think Wi was was doing his thing, but I think
Speaker 1: his connection to Snoop but that came later. It came later,
Speaker 1: But I think that he had already had cushion orange
Speaker 1: jus before Snoop? Did he have black and yellow before? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he was cracking. He was cracking. But I
Speaker 1: think something about that connection, right, I don't think it
Speaker 1: was a validation maybe let me let me not say
Speaker 1: that because it's it's a different thing. But I think
Speaker 1: somehow that connection, right just took things to a really
Speaker 1: different cool level, you know for sure. But all of
Speaker 1: those things, yeah, all of those things are are really
Speaker 1: in my in my opinion important, and I think that
Speaker 1: we suffer from that in army for sure. There's not
Speaker 1: enough reach back. Right. So to answer a question, yes,
Speaker 1: super inspiring, super inspiring. Um, And I do think one
Speaker 1: thing that I do lean on two is that I
Speaker 1: did I was doing music before I got successful at
Speaker 1: the acting on the level of acting that I'm doing now,
Speaker 1: I was putting out stuff for it. So when people
Speaker 1: see they're like, oh, no, he's not just trying to
Speaker 1: you know, he's been kind of put working out in
Speaker 1: a sense. But dude, I'm I'm really happy with where
Speaker 1: I'm at creatively. And it took all of these years
Speaker 1: and experiences that I've been through and things that I
Speaker 1: pull from and take to really sit back and enjoy.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's my favorite part at end the day.
Speaker 1: I make music for me, um. And then anybody who's
Speaker 1: like me obviously will you know, be attracted to the music,
Speaker 1: but to be able to look at pain or joy
Speaker 1: or any experience and then listen back to it as
Speaker 1: a song and be like, here's a question, what was
Speaker 1: what was I guess what was a turning point? Or
Speaker 1: I guess from what you just said, like being completely
Speaker 1: happy in the space that you are and understanding that
Speaker 1: all things were powerful the course to get you to
Speaker 1: this space. What was the moment or a thing that
Speaker 1: helps you get to that realization. There's been multiple times, um, um.
Speaker 1: So there's been times like, let's say, there's been like
Speaker 1: roles I really wanted or like really bad, Oh God,
Speaker 1: please God, so bad? No, I want to be so bad,
Speaker 1: and then you have a dango unchained somewhere. Please No,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna do this. I just wanted enough. I
Speaker 1: love you. I didn't even the same reason. I just
Speaker 1: asked him. Everybody knows. Everybody Wait, who's don't worry about
Speaker 1: Maybe they won't, but no, then maybe the movie comes
Speaker 1: out and then it's not great. And I just kind
Speaker 1: of like trust in the process of things. Um, but
Speaker 1: even I wish that is. Are you happy when it
Speaker 1: when it's like when it's a weak you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Hell yeah movie? No? But and sometimes it's
Speaker 1: never an actor's fault, dude. It can be the director,
Speaker 1: can be the light guy, it can be the writer,
Speaker 1: and it ruins. You can ruin the movie, dude. By
Speaker 1: the way, I saw the Elvis movie started to segue
Speaker 1: incredible and they're not paying me to say this, but
Speaker 1: the Elvis movie was great. Well, man, what is your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that? Why are you making that face? Elvis?
Speaker 1: You have thoughts about Elvis? Come on, he was still
Speaker 1: cold and we young girls all night. Wait wait, I
Speaker 1: just want to know. I'm just asking, are we we're
Speaker 1: making movies and saluting bro men? Who No, You're right, okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: As a filmmaker, cinema just pure cinema, pretty great acting,
Speaker 1: great Yeah, it wasn't him. It wasn't he's just acting.
Speaker 1: He was just a just and yeah, but did they
Speaker 1: tell the whole story? Probably not. They never do though, Okay,
Speaker 1: seg waiting back where to say, We're back to the
Speaker 1: arm beat alight right right right past regrets. Um, you
Speaker 1: can't have any can't you can't have it. That's not happy.
Speaker 1: That's not call it a regret. Let's just call it
Speaker 1: a moment where where you've monologue afterwards, which we should
Speaker 1: have put out. Hold up, m that's one and that's
Speaker 1: what I mean, just saying it was weird. I've seen
Speaker 1: that song all the time. Hold Up was a shock
Speaker 1: to me and probably everybody. First, let me tell you so,
Speaker 1: we wrote this song and then he goes in the booth,
Speaker 1: sings the song, leaves and tells me to sing it
Speaker 1: like that and then he'll be back. I said, you, mother,
Speaker 1: I was pined because they get hit it riff at
Speaker 1: the end. It took me at least twenty five takes
Speaker 1: to uh to get it, but I got it. But
Speaker 1: it took me about twenty five. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it just because you're here, just because you're a little
Speaker 1: bro killed it thank you. I really do. I still
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that's like gonna be an interest. You
Speaker 1: can get this on camera. There's gonna be an intro
Speaker 1: to an album. Do you have it? It's here. I
Speaker 1: forgot you have forget about me too. I don't have
Speaker 1: my version. I gotta you know what, But I do
Speaker 1: have a computer that I gotta fire up. And it's
Speaker 1: it's easy. We can do. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's just it's amazing song though, man. And just because
Speaker 1: I'm talking to R and B. I mean, that's like
Speaker 1: an epitome of it. I think something like that. So
Speaker 1: what does the day look like for you as as
Speaker 1: a music artist? As now? You know it's now, I
Speaker 1: mean one of one of the biggest actors. Like, what
Speaker 1: does today look like for you? What is you're saying?
Speaker 1: Like a regular day? Oh? Right now? For the next
Speaker 1: time out, I'm very excited about it. Rough draft three,
Speaker 1: I have draft one, rough drafts two. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be the third installment of like that little series, and
Speaker 1: I want to put the music out. I've been shooting videos.
Speaker 1: I just had a meeting today before I came here
Speaker 1: about the next video. I'm trying to shoot um potentially
Speaker 1: maybe doing film later in the year with James s Franco,
Speaker 1: so just focusing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a beast man.
Speaker 1: So that was and that kind of like was one
Speaker 1: of one of those moments where you're like, what really, like,
Speaker 1: didn't have to audition anything, just kind of like came. Really,
Speaker 1: that's beautiful that happens. It's scary. It's almost scary because
Speaker 1: like TV one and BT, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Sometimes they just call me and say, she just called
Speaker 1: the other dad. You just weren't available. They called us,
Speaker 1: They just called let's say, Tank, this is I mean,
Speaker 1: I know yours is as big a level here where
Speaker 1: I'm at. Stop they called me to you were good,
Speaker 1: we got this fift hunting for you, and you know me,
Speaker 1: I just act over at the river, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Hey, but that could be crazy. And it's
Speaker 1: things like that that I'm like, yo, because I think
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, God knows your heart
Speaker 1: and things you really want, so I'm like, obviously I
Speaker 1: have to action. That could be an amazing opportunity and
Speaker 1: they could just take them to another level to where
Speaker 1: the music that I want to be heard will be heard,
Speaker 1: and I'm different what I'm saying. How are you How
Speaker 1: are you chasing the music part of it though? Like,
Speaker 1: are you doing it completely independently or are you trying
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, how to be part of
Speaker 1: the machine of music. I'm definitely trying to do the
Speaker 1: second part. I think I'm doing it independently kind of currently.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what I can say and
Speaker 1: what I can't say, but right, right, um, but I
Speaker 1: want to uh yeah, I just think that I need
Speaker 1: as much time and effort I put into music. I
Speaker 1: need that to be putting on the business side of
Speaker 1: things and the marketing side of things. And because I
Speaker 1: feel like there's if I'm put me on stage, I'm performing,
Speaker 1: and if you put me in studio on the record,
Speaker 1: and it's either as good, if not better than things
Speaker 1: in the marketplace, and it just kind of takes the
Speaker 1: eyes and visibility to to see that. So you need
Speaker 1: the right squad, you you. Um, there's certain there's certain
Speaker 1: things that make sense for certain artists. Right. Um. The
Speaker 1: independent R and B is tough, It's really tough, right,
Speaker 1: but it's lucrative. You can make money. You can definitely
Speaker 1: make money off it. But you know when I when
Speaker 1: I look at you as a brand, your brand is
Speaker 1: made for all things major, Right Like, I look at
Speaker 1: you as a five tool athlete. If anybody understands baseball,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the guy that can do all these
Speaker 1: things and don't do them at a really high level
Speaker 1: in baseball. I look at you that way. You're not
Speaker 1: and you know, no disrespect. You know what comes after
Speaker 1: no disrespect, Um, it's a little bit of disrespect. Um.
Speaker 1: You're bigger than independent music because the ancillary things that
Speaker 1: come along with who you are. Right Like, if you
Speaker 1: were looking at music purely from a money play, and
Speaker 1: I can get my money, I get my get I
Speaker 1: get my ship off this way, that would be cool.
Speaker 1: And and that's possible for you because you have these platforms.
Speaker 1: You're on one of the biggest shows on TV. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Growning, Shout out to my brother Kenya. Back
Speaker 1: can embarrass. That's been my partner for many moons. Dude
Speaker 1: though too not just like you know, he's an amazing
Speaker 1: human being, right Um, he did ride by me one
Speaker 1: day in a in a convertible. Oh he doesn't. And
Speaker 1: and and the crazy thing is I was taking a
Speaker 1: walk with my sons. Me and him used to be
Speaker 1: neighbors and I was taking a walk during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody had to figure out their workouts. I'm
Speaker 1: taking a walk and he was. He called me embarrassed
Speaker 1: about driving by and that droptop Ferrari as me and
Speaker 1: my son would walk in the neighborhood. He was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I knew, I don't even really drive this car. Brot
Speaker 1: you up one time that I said, I said, that's
Speaker 1: amazing that the guy. But I say all that to say, bro, like,
Speaker 1: you need a machine because all the other things in
Speaker 1: your career have a machine connected to it. You deserve
Speaker 1: a like a way that's not just breeze over Broadway.
Speaker 1: That is not something that everyone does. That's that's a
Speaker 1: that's an elite group of people. You're a part of
Speaker 1: that major television network TV show Open Up for Tank.
Speaker 1: You definitely pulled up crazy. Yeah you definitely. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. But never forget that. I say all that
Speaker 1: to say, like I said, Bro, like for you in
Speaker 1: your career, and I assess different people's career because I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I've been on both sides, the executive side,
Speaker 1: the your side. Everything ain't for everybody. Independence ain't. It's
Speaker 1: just and I look at it for you, I look
Speaker 1: at a hundred percent of nothing's nothing. That's what I
Speaker 1: look at it as for independent for you, because you know,
Speaker 1: it's not about the money for you at all. Yours
Speaker 1: is taking you to another level. Yours is getting you
Speaker 1: an arenas so that you can do them goddamn backflips,
Speaker 1: really on the stage big enough that you won't flip
Speaker 1: off of it. You know what I'm saying, Lord knows
Speaker 1: I performed on this right now because I know you
Speaker 1: will because you love that. You love the game that
Speaker 1: much in the craft, but you deserve that big stage,
Speaker 1: bro and the and unfortunately, the only way you get
Speaker 1: to that type of stage it is through the majors.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And people know what I
Speaker 1: mean when I say unfortunately, because there's there's other things
Speaker 1: that come up. Sometimes you gotta give. But that's me
Speaker 1: and him are having this conversation other day and I
Speaker 1: was just like, yo, like you were saying, it's not
Speaker 1: about who's him. They can't see him. My brother I
Speaker 1: and Jackson shut out. Oh yeah, we're having a conversation.
Speaker 1: I was like it's not about the money for me.
Speaker 1: And you know, I was like someone could you know,
Speaker 1: someone could own a part of something that I had.
Speaker 1: But if it gets me to a position to where
Speaker 1: when I talk about life things where there's political or
Speaker 1: just humanity type of things, that there's weight hill getting
Speaker 1: there by doing something you love is what I would
Speaker 1: like to do, which is music and whatever else. But
Speaker 1: that's the ultimate goal, you know, to be able to
Speaker 1: have a voice, because I believe at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, whatever I'm doing, wherever I'm at, I'm always
Speaker 1: on the good side of things. I want the betterment
Speaker 1: for people. I want to help, and there's always other
Speaker 1: people that are trying to destroy the world. And uh
Speaker 1: so you know, being on that side of it is
Speaker 1: is where I'll always be. So that's where I'm That's
Speaker 1: why I'm not stopping because I have to be in
Speaker 1: that seat. I want to be in that seat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta, you just I mean, you deserve that appreciate
Speaker 1: Like I think, you know, when it comes to the
Speaker 1: music side of it, it's not about um, it's not
Speaker 1: about the ability. It's just about the amount of people
Speaker 1: who know. It's the visibility. M hmm. If you get
Speaker 1: if you give us a percentage of shark be our
Speaker 1: shark foot. It's not the ability the animated dad. I
Speaker 1: just want to wear no crock sign. No we swim
Speaker 1: in this family always sound like that. Have you ever
Speaker 1: done voice over? No? I want you? Could you kill that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You kill that? You have somebody you can call? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Done you ladies and gentlemen, you just heard that. Serious.
Speaker 1: If you don't see me on the next four weeks
Speaker 1: of the Army Money podcast, because I'm doing voice over,
Speaker 1: give us as a shark dad for Shark Club voiceover,
Speaker 1: bring somebody out to the stage. Listen. You've seen Coconut
Speaker 1: and she's really turned things out. I mean she's popped
Speaker 1: the whole coconut for us right there. It's gotten splashing
Speaker 1: on stage. But now coming to the stage, Jesus went there,
Speaker 1: give it up for Heaven. We've done that. That was
Speaker 1: Jesus with get it up for Yeah, I'm ready. But
Speaker 1: let's get him darnby. Let's let's let's test because because
Speaker 1: that's definitely your past. No, that's what lets gon to
Speaker 1: test this past. I'm gonna see where he's at all. Right,
Speaker 1: Top five R and B artists could be group male
Speaker 1: or female. Your top five. Bryan McKnight, who's man? Thank wow?
Speaker 1: We about two more straight R and B. They can
Speaker 1: be hybrids, amy hybrids. They could be hybrids. There are
Speaker 1: you from? Oh man? Oh man? Oh man? I want
Speaker 1: to I want to put me in condition in there.
Speaker 1: Think it's yours. I wouldn't be mad if you did.
Speaker 1: These guys are amazing. Is that for? That's for? This
Speaker 1: is an unfair This is n free cop right here?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Nikki feels say me, I'm flipping this Muther
Speaker 1: the table, he said, send me fake colicator over this
Speaker 1: whole fake it's pigeon? Is this pigeon backy? Know who
Speaker 1: you on the reil? Who who your faith? Bro um?
Speaker 1: Oh dude, come on, come on, come on. This is
Speaker 1: a little more old school. Okay, all right, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a that's a call round out all around them,
Speaker 1: so he said. Brian mcknighten voice him derail uh make
Speaker 1: conditions And Chris Brown, I think I just threw my
Speaker 1: condition if I'm being honest, because I was nervous. No.
Speaker 1: I like men in there, but men is my secret
Speaker 1: ingredient in live performance and vocals. Are you get you're
Speaker 1: giving us some some secrets. That's my secret ingredient. Nobody
Speaker 1: really understands the power what Stokely was doing. The power
Speaker 1: condition the Welcome to the Mint Factory every day, every
Speaker 1: day and in there that's real study. Our church band,
Speaker 1: we would still in church. Yeah, we were still licks
Speaker 1: from condition brown Eyes and absolutely that definitely made it
Speaker 1: to offering. Yeah, absolutely absolutely. All right, here we go
Speaker 1: trying going top five R and B songs or album
Speaker 1: what she wanted? You want to do when the songs
Speaker 1: are album? Oh, I've got to go back. Let's go
Speaker 1: back many conditions out users. Sorry, I don't know what
Speaker 1: I just sorry, sorry because when you and then you
Speaker 1: just said albums, I'm like, I cannot be mad at that. Yeah. Sorry,
Speaker 1: So you can give me five R and B songs
Speaker 1: or albums. You can mix in albums and songs. You
Speaker 1: already said confessions, So we're gonna give you that. Okay,
Speaker 1: album you said confessions. Uh, Ryan McKnight, crazy love m Um.
Speaker 1: I think Donald ben a knee boys some men? Um?
Speaker 1: Is that Jimmy Jammy Terry Lewis's bend knee because that's
Speaker 1: not baby face. I think that's I think that's Jimmy
Speaker 1: Lewis Jimmy. Yeah, I'm not even gonna hold you. One
Speaker 1: of my favorite songs. We can Love for real. Mike
Speaker 1: jameson of my brothers, and he was on that He's
Speaker 1: a monster too. Okay, wait, so we have confessions. Now
Speaker 1: it's gonna seem like I'm just saying stuff because you're here.
Speaker 1: But it's nothing. Always another one. Yeah, Yes, it was good.
Speaker 1: The story about all that was, I don't can't when
Speaker 1: we said that when PSP came out. When it first
Speaker 1: came out, I didn't get the games that came with it.
Speaker 1: You know, my family they just got PSP. That's fine,
Speaker 1: and it came with the demo came at the time
Speaker 1: I do. I'm not so you. There's no games. No,
Speaker 1: I mean there are games. My family do not give me.
Speaker 1: You know, I know there are games. No, don't talking
Speaker 1: about you don't have not a game when you first
Speaker 1: get it, when I first get it, not a game.
Speaker 1: Just the demo district comes within its previews of games,
Speaker 1: and then it's music videos and all the music videos.
Speaker 1: There's a few rock bands and they had oh and
Speaker 1: then the guy lying about having Anintendo but I got one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love all the games, play punch Out all the time.
Speaker 1: Level seven's crazy super Mario man like the tunnel and
Speaker 1: then the mustroom. Right, oh man, I think I was
Speaker 1: on level twelve. You got BSP with the demo demo,
Speaker 1: oh Marion, And I remember I just watched that at
Speaker 1: least twenty tho times and uh yeah, it's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite songs. For real? Is that five? That's confessions?
Speaker 1: We said confessions, we said crazy level we can love
Speaker 1: can we can love it? That's fine, that's fine, that's nice.
Speaker 1: Get home later and be like watch you in there. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is this is this is a new a
Speaker 1: new one R and B voltron. Now you can do
Speaker 1: your house. You can do you can do three pieces
Speaker 1: or five pieces in building an R and B artists?
Speaker 1: What pieces you would take from each R and B
Speaker 1: artists to put into an R and B A one
Speaker 1: super R and B artist, Like you're building an artist
Speaker 1: on two K? What do you get? What do you
Speaker 1: give him? Okay, let's start with I give them Wait wait,
Speaker 1: I want to give the movement of Chris. I'd give
Speaker 1: the range of Brian McKnight controlled tank. Okay, let keep
Speaker 1: you on the list, Bro, I'm gonna give you a
Speaker 1: set this watch. I just know that this is I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, what the comments gonna say, this is gonna
Speaker 1: name the women. No, no, I already know what the
Speaker 1: comments gonna say. I'm sorry I didn't say male or females,
Speaker 1: so I think we all kind of assumed it was
Speaker 1: just madies, ladies. We love this Javin, that is my favorite. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go back movement to Chris. Some of the male artists.
Speaker 1: You're building a range of Brian McKnight control tank tone
Speaker 1: of Donny Hathaway. How many is that? His patience? My god,
Speaker 1: he'll make you wait so uh oh ship and maybe
Speaker 1: I mean maybe the harm but this is is one guy,
Speaker 1: but how many arrangement like take six mm hmm. What
Speaker 1: about the aesthetic. I'm gonna give you a six piece.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm liking the not necessarily current name vibe,
Speaker 1: like not covered face up, but I like the mysteriousness
Speaker 1: I would like the person to be. You want the
Speaker 1: mysterious R and B nigger with on I wanted I
Speaker 1: want you to see him, but maybe like think I
Speaker 1: think Dracula. I'm saying, count Dracula fly Long Trench Coat,
Speaker 1: maybe Fantom of the Opera mass I don't know. You
Speaker 1: just want your character so pretty much. You and super Block.
Speaker 1: You want to what the cape on ship? Listen, you
Speaker 1: know what he wants. He wants somebody that people can
Speaker 1: be for Halloween. Yes, that's your that's your staple. That's
Speaker 1: your staple. No, if you're you're not a star. If
Speaker 1: they can't beat you for Halloween, so they can't be
Speaker 1: Chris Brown. Finally, yes you can. How can you be
Speaker 1: Chris Brown? Finally? Where everything everywhere? Now listen, you can
Speaker 1: because I got kids. If my son says, Dad, I
Speaker 1: want to be Chris Brown for Halloween, probably going to
Speaker 1: give him a little bit of color here, we might go,
Speaker 1: we might go blind blind, We're gonna slip. We're gonna
Speaker 1: give him the little beer thing and the heart to
Speaker 1: the heart. But listen, these are these are specific things
Speaker 1: if you're gonna make it. We want to be Joe
Speaker 1: to see Oh, I'm gonna give him the Joe to
Speaker 1: see Boots. I want to black blanks. I'm an oil
Speaker 1: a little nigg up, me get him some plag muscle
Speaker 1: and look gotye. No, no, no, bro, you have to
Speaker 1: you have to have a call out your visual call out, right,
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying to you. Like with Chris Brown,
Speaker 1: put a little put a little Jordan three on the
Speaker 1: side of face. He only got know walking around with
Speaker 1: Jordan three. I think it's a three or four. I
Speaker 1: think it's the three. Yeah, you got three right here? Right? Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: the shoot, got to shoot. But what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: there are certain characteristics. Yeah, for sure, just translate that
Speaker 1: you just know off the rip, Like when Cisco came
Speaker 1: with the with the platinum blonde, with the silver blonde
Speaker 1: in the book, like you have that in the one
Speaker 1: hand cart wheel, Yeah, the one which I still don't
Speaker 1: really ain't pulling that off. Bro. You know I can
Speaker 1: do the one I've been doing. Don't hand cart will
Speaker 1: since I was kicking he did. It's not you can
Speaker 1: still can't do an area. He was doing a one
Speaker 1: hand cart wool. He also was doing one hand card
Speaker 1: whool and also was on wires. So I mean to us,
Speaker 1: to us gymnasts, gymnast, Yeah, he didn't do an area here.
Speaker 1: It was. It was very weak. No hate the Cisco
Speaker 1: Cisco's dark but the one hand cart wheel cringe. But
Speaker 1: at the time. People loved it. I love that niggers.
Speaker 1: That was grew up flipping on mattress, look at you.
Speaker 1: I grew up flipping off the fix. I flipped off cars, barks, benches.
Speaker 1: I have the record at Sherman Park in Milwaukee, twenty
Speaker 1: hand springs in the rough um on grass, so that
Speaker 1: one hand cart wheel threw me off. Okay, I didn't
Speaker 1: like it all right, doing so much soul, so he
Speaker 1: should have been able to do it that hand. He
Speaker 1: flipped on bitches okay, and walked. He walked, and then
Speaker 1: I think he didn't do the hand. No, but he
Speaker 1: flew on the wires over to the women. Yes he did.
Speaker 1: I like how you like? You wanted to say, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying all the music, he said, you know,
Speaker 1: he flew over there women women. Harvey moment when Steve
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm a certain TV show. I
Speaker 1: can't be saying over the women. Respect. I respect your control.
Speaker 1: You got more BIXI at the door. I understand you
Speaker 1: be cool. Oh shoot, let Jay do. I'm wild. James
Speaker 1: the smoothest I've ever made my whole life. I appreciate
Speaker 1: that good. James definitely got this is it is how
Speaker 1: smooth Jay is. Jay walks into my closet right where
Speaker 1: right when he starts managing me, it's like, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to you know, we're gonna have to really
Speaker 1: look the part now, we're going to really take this
Speaker 1: thing to the next level. And we walked in my closet.
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, yeah, I think we should I
Speaker 1: think we should get rid of Oh yeah, everything he has,
Speaker 1: everything I performed. Yeah, you shouldn't do that anymore. Wow,
Speaker 1: you should, you should get rid of I said, we're
Speaker 1: just gonna give it. No burn it, burn it. Nobody
Speaker 1: else should have this either. And he said it that soft.
Speaker 1: He was so cool, he said I and I felt
Speaker 1: like he was trying to help. Yeah, I didn't take
Speaker 1: its true about him is like, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: never that. It's never It's like it's just like and
Speaker 1: and and and to this day, people have a problem
Speaker 1: doing that. Honesty has been the difference. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So he has a way of
Speaker 1: smoothly telling you you need your bullshit, Yeah, you need
Speaker 1: you need to fix it. Call me like early in
Speaker 1: the morning, you bullshit and cheafe Before he says anything else,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what I do? Listen, you know what you did?
Speaker 1: You know what you did? Hey wait, I want to
Speaker 1: know how you guys met because I do admire, you know,
Speaker 1: two black men really helping, loving and supporting each other.
Speaker 1: We need more of that in the world. Let's put
Speaker 1: that out there some But you guys are a great
Speaker 1: example of that. So how do you guys meet? How
Speaker 1: to happen? Sorry, not the whole thing to interview us? Yeah,
Speaker 1: really really good going somewhere. You're going somewhere. I don't
Speaker 1: know where. I'd love to know. Now we met we
Speaker 1: met through um, we met through the Underdogs. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I had it was my second stint. It was my
Speaker 1: second stint with the Underdogs because originally Harvey Damon and
Speaker 1: myself we founded the Underdogs together and I ended up
Speaker 1: going and working with some other people. I end up
Speaker 1: leaving over some business stuff. And that's simple thing over there.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's just business. And I was
Speaker 1: a kid. I was really young. They were they were
Speaker 1: a lot older than me. I was a kid. You know,
Speaker 1: what they offered me I didn't like, and you know,
Speaker 1: like we kept our friendship, but it just didn't work
Speaker 1: for me and then when they brought me when they
Speaker 1: we all stayed in contact through our friendship, and a
Speaker 1: selling point of me coming back was them introducing me
Speaker 1: to Tank, who I didn't know at the time. I
Speaker 1: had never met him before. What I'm saying, yeah, I
Speaker 1: knew it. Yeah, no, right, because um the first album
Speaker 1: had come out and it was you know, it did
Speaker 1: a ship. How do we gonna pause? You gotta stop? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's effective where we come back in from we
Speaker 1: are it's gonna um. So, so the selling point was
Speaker 1: them introducing me to Tank, of me coming back and
Speaker 1: working again with them, obviously, you know, our deal structure
Speaker 1: was different when I came back s getting what I
Speaker 1: wanted and I needed to you know, to pull back up.
Speaker 1: But my like I said, meeting Tank over there was like,
Speaker 1: oh this it was like kindred spirits, Like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: my same type of guy. Man like athletes, he likes
Speaker 1: play sports. You don't call no fouls on the basketball
Speaker 1: court like him. Yeah, you know what I mean. That
Speaker 1: really that really was the full thing for me was
Speaker 1: you know with basketball. You know what I mean, everybody
Speaker 1: knows how much I love basketball, and you're pretty good
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I I mean my old age. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get through. We're gonna get to because we
Speaker 1: forgot to bring that up. He saw he was. He
Speaker 1: accidentally brought up basketball and never accident accident. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he wants to get to He had a good day.
Speaker 1: He came one time and had a good day. But
Speaker 1: that's how we that's how we connected through, you know,
Speaker 1: meeting through the production team and just locking in and
Speaker 1: just writing for Marion all these other artists that were
Speaker 1: coming through it. Really, I guess probably a Marian was
Speaker 1: our first. Yeah, that was our first replacement together. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And how how long ago was that mans and to
Speaker 1: two three to three? No, because the All Star weekend
Speaker 1: when we was when we did so three yewo three
Speaker 1: Stark in l A. Wow, I'll start week in l A.
Speaker 1: So that's when we did Marian. But we have you know,
Speaker 1: we have been well. I mean I have some of
Speaker 1: the stick around that long. It's good, especially in this business,
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard, like I said, sperience minded, yeah
Speaker 1: right right, that one. It was like meeting him was
Speaker 1: like like meeting my cousin, like a long cousin, right,
Speaker 1: now we're in the same family, like, what's your last name?
Speaker 1: And it was it was instant from him from his
Speaker 1: brothers to just yeah, we're just instantly he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're family. That's right. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then we just you know, he's always been my
Speaker 1: point guard, which seguates us into you know, your ability
Speaker 1: to play basketball as well. I'm from Indiana. Who's your
Speaker 1: state were you? Were you a Hoosier? I am as
Speaker 1: because I'm from that's technically with it. When the last
Speaker 1: time y'all want something, Yeah, what do you mean the
Speaker 1: team Pacers? Anything basketball? Because you I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm from the Bay since Reggie, I think we got
Speaker 1: four Reggie from l A, so you know he from
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, he belonged, he belonged. But you know
Speaker 1: we got four championships in the asked you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Steph A. Clay and Ramon Dremont huh and Dollar. Oh.
Speaker 1: He came in busting hunt. That was like he hadn't
Speaker 1: played for a little He did that because I was hype.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is first of one moment he said,
Speaker 1: let's just get to what he wants to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Let's get to his good day. My good day is
Speaker 1: you know, uh, since I was very young, since me man,
Speaker 1: I was a kid, and I told him iael hoop
Speaker 1: and we'd always talked it to trying to stud the man.
Speaker 1: You can't hoop. I was like, I can. I'm good.
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, come on swoop man. You know
Speaker 1: I'm good. Never looked good. You know I'm good. This
Speaker 1: is probably was this early this year, or was it
Speaker 1: last year? Maybe probably last year? Probably last year he
Speaker 1: invited me to a run. Yeah, I got to show
Speaker 1: him when I'm about okay, And I had like eight
Speaker 1: of the nine points, had about so we only played
Speaker 1: the seven and then he made his lose asked his
Speaker 1: brother and asked his brother bro, we were gonna win.
Speaker 1: I hit the game winning shot. First of all, you
Speaker 1: tell me how five men playing basketball are looking at
Speaker 1: the clock as well, and know that the time they're
Speaker 1: like it was the second after the deeper didn't count. Okay,
Speaker 1: So do you want to you wantten? Listen? I was hot.
Speaker 1: He was his brothers three like, you know, he was
Speaker 1: good if Bob was on his team. Okay, So okay,
Speaker 1: it's the R and B money have. We have the
Speaker 1: Our Money podcast. We also have the Army Money Run, right,
Speaker 1: which is a mixture of entertainers, business people, and NBA
Speaker 1: players and overseas guys. So it's a mixture of it.
Speaker 1: You got, you got some real basketball going. And I'm
Speaker 1: very selective about who can come on, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, but the family. So he has the invite
Speaker 1: and that's my guy. And he came, and he showed up,
Speaker 1: and he showed out. He hooped. That's the first time.
Speaker 1: Now the rules of the run. We play shot of course,
Speaker 1: we play shot, We play game clock of course, and
Speaker 1: we also have if your airball it's a negative water, right,
Speaker 1: you got, we're gonna reward this defense because you can't
Speaker 1: get entertainers to play defense, Right's. It's tough to tell
Speaker 1: a nigga who just did ten movies. You gotta guard somebody. Well,
Speaker 1: you gonna lose, nigga if you shoot that dumb mass
Speaker 1: three because the NBA three as far as hell, If
Speaker 1: you shoot that dumb mass three at airball, that's a
Speaker 1: negative one, your team's gonna want to jump you. Right,
Speaker 1: So he hit a big shot, but the clock had,
Speaker 1: first of all, did a little cooking from top. He
Speaker 1: did cooking at the problem. He's young and it was
Speaker 1: too much cooking, and he wasn't paying attention to clock
Speaker 1: man smith man tone on his side, busy making that real.
Speaker 1: I lost my voice doing karaoke the other day. That
Speaker 1: was bullshit. But the cook it made the clock run out.
Speaker 1: It was like they would have said. They were like,
Speaker 1: it was the seventh of the second Office, and you're like,
Speaker 1: that's what are you guys? Kid? And I did the
Speaker 1: Florida came in the middle, gets guys to the pick oh,
Speaker 1: and when it was like they're like, no, no, it's good. Listen,
Speaker 1: it's tight up there. I like that it gets people
Speaker 1: playing this stuff. Listen. You don't play hard, you don't
Speaker 1: get back home right right exactly now you want to
Speaker 1: go home because nobody else invite you but me. Right
Speaker 1: you're coming up, be like how do you get here? Oh?
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, man, sorry man, because you know I
Speaker 1: got my guys, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 1: sent out my invites and it's it's it's for the guys.
Speaker 1: And you listen. When I can't tell the Marta Rose
Speaker 1: and he can't tell Martha Rose, can he gonna Kyrie?
Speaker 1: Like they're gonna like they put Kim. I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to go him. It was it was he just it
Speaker 1: was just it was Halloween. It was it was it
Speaker 1: was hollow and they're going to play. When he showed up,
Speaker 1: it was scary. It's like the mom starts showing up
Speaker 1: its step when you like, is that right right? Be
Speaker 1: fouling because like, like we always say, they're singers and
Speaker 1: their singers and there's hoop presenters what And I'm like
Speaker 1: and I'm like, when when those type of guys come around,
Speaker 1: I'll play my defense, but I don't play the defense
Speaker 1: that I would play on a guy that's not a
Speaker 1: professional hooper, because I really do take into consideration that
Speaker 1: they got they gotta, they gotta really they really it's
Speaker 1: million need that right right right right right right right,
Speaker 1: like me fouling one of those guys hard to prove
Speaker 1: a point in here. I made that mistake. I think
Speaker 1: why I didn't fol him hard, But I remember I
Speaker 1: played Chris Paul when I was like eighteen or something,
Speaker 1: and I felt like I had him in the glove,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I felt like he wasn't
Speaker 1: really I'm sure he didn't feel that he didn't. But
Speaker 1: at the time, that's that's the story I made. Let's
Speaker 1: that you had Paul Pierce. No, Chris, Chris, Chris felt
Speaker 1: like you had the point guy had him in the glove.
Speaker 1: The point guy. Understand me, he locked up the point guy.
Speaker 1: I had him in the glove. Man. You know, we
Speaker 1: know Chris, right, I know I asked me about this time,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna probably not remember. He's not gonna remember
Speaker 1: it at all. It was a trade. Even he had
Speaker 1: sweatpants on, it doesn't matter. I was fully in my
Speaker 1: shorts and shoes and you know I stretched before the game.
Speaker 1: He was really out there like this. I'm sure there
Speaker 1: any position to see people's in. He was okay with
Speaker 1: being in that position. No, No, he was. He wasn't
Speaker 1: really going hard. But let me just you know, I'm
Speaker 1: living a dream man him in the Glove movie. I
Speaker 1: would say it's on cameras olda any hoops, because there's
Speaker 1: been some guys that you know, just been my They
Speaker 1: talked and I let them come, and then I did
Speaker 1: not invite him ever again. But I'll tell them too though,
Speaker 1: like this ain't for you. Your brother is your grab
Speaker 1: your rebounds I'm going to body somebody. Yeah he's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. They got mules in his college. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: he but he came he came on some chill ship. No, no,
Speaker 1: that he was chilling. He was like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I know because who long enough. I know when guys
Speaker 1: come in and it's like okay. He was like all right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna play my role in here. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play. That's the the family, that's the one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the guy. Yeah, he's really a little retired now,
Speaker 1: you know, he's a little retired. Look look chur Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just the guys. He got to handle the business.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, there's some nice slacks. Yeah yeah. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I grew my hair in meditation
Speaker 1: link from you know, like, I'm just as long as
Speaker 1: you don't break out no watermelons in here. And it's
Speaker 1: my okay because you got dress and ship, you know
Speaker 1: now everything with dress, I think they're gonna break out
Speaker 1: the watermelon. Man, then you got to relax. That's always
Speaker 1: his my I love I love oh. And I just
Speaker 1: want to know who went and got the watermelons like
Speaker 1: the brother did. They post made it him. What was
Speaker 1: it like? What it's like? No, No, he's downstairs. He's
Speaker 1: got the watermelon. I'm just trying to figre out what
Speaker 1: the guys he said, anybody any let him. They're gonna
Speaker 1: let you. Go to the back door. He got the
Speaker 1: watermelons right now. He just can't get in. He can't
Speaker 1: get in. He coming right now, there is Okay, why
Speaker 1: is it wrapping so much? You gotta have the right knife.
Speaker 1: You gotta that's easy. And those looked like they were
Speaker 1: professionally professionally cut, pally hopeful go to Gelson's. Get it.
Speaker 1: You didn't go get it from Gelson's. They got the smaller,
Speaker 1: smaller pieces that pre cut, three cut. You can just
Speaker 1: pull them apart. Bro, we're about to stop, We're about
Speaker 1: to start. Do you want us to win? Come on, man,
Speaker 1: Mario doesn't have watermelons. I know this justice getting this
Speaker 1: his hair make his hair run. Oh that was crazy,
Speaker 1: Brett if runs around too. We go tag teams the
Speaker 1: watermelons because we kind of eat it the same, all right,
Speaker 1: And they I didn't realize. I think I saw him
Speaker 1: for the first time, like last year. I was like
Speaker 1: they three of them though, yeah. Yeah, they're like twins
Speaker 1: bro act like everything. That's crazy. Pray I love him, guys,
Speaker 1: all right, get to the I need to hear his
Speaker 1: I want to say. I already know he got something
Speaker 1: he got Guys. You know you're young fellow man. Listen.
Speaker 1: You know I think the last time I saw you
Speaker 1: put up to your birthday party. Man, you talking too loud.
Speaker 1: You understand that you're streaming right. I got the call
Speaker 1: after your birthday cart Yeah what he said, young ni
Speaker 1: doing it with that face? Hey, I had listen. You
Speaker 1: know one thing we're gonna do it salute you when
Speaker 1: you're doing what you're doing. Man. Yeah, and your birthday party,
Speaker 1: he was doing it. Man, it was fun. It was
Speaker 1: yeah the oh yeah, ok, yeah, my young really living this.
Speaker 1: This this this Hollywood. When you put out the calls,
Speaker 1: they come, they pull up, they come on through. That's
Speaker 1: what I heard. We at This segment of our show
Speaker 1: is called I Ain't saying no names. Yeah it already
Speaker 1: sounds man. Listen, listen. The story can be funny, are
Speaker 1: fucked up? Are both? The only rule? It's got to
Speaker 1: be a good story. You definitely gotta be a good
Speaker 1: story because you want to get that off. You don't
Speaker 1: want to be the guy that comes on here with
Speaker 1: the weak story story right, the comments they're going to
Speaker 1: comment about the comments. Comment pressure is no. The only
Speaker 1: rule of the game is you can't say their name. Okay, easy,
Speaker 1: I don't do that. Hey, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I never that he didn't have Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't do that. I don't have to. Um, so story,
Speaker 1: what's the content? Um? And it's supposed to be use
Speaker 1: no names and give me whatever story you want, whatever
Speaker 1: story and whatever story whoever about moved and you want
Speaker 1: to go viral, just turning the range. Shoot, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't really have any crazy stories. Man, man, you're lying.
Speaker 1: You're starting this off as a liar. All right, true,
Speaker 1: I've been called that before. I just pictured it as
Speaker 1: not telling the full true all right, crazy story, you know,
Speaker 1: like a Hollywood story. Whatever, it's your world, brother, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's a good story. Um. I won't say the name,
Speaker 1: but he's a drummer of a famous band. Can I
Speaker 1: say that? You don't have to do that? Already? Did
Speaker 1: it too late? Here? It is? So I did I
Speaker 1: pull up white Man? Okay? Okay? And I pulled up
Speaker 1: I was invited by I knew this guy. Knew the guy,
Speaker 1: and he was like, Yo, come this party. I come in.
Speaker 1: You know how much it was cool? It's cool. And
Speaker 1: I'm always mean guys. I'm nice, Okay, nice guy. That's
Speaker 1: why I hate when people mean to me. It's like,
Speaker 1: how why are you? What? Do You're evil? You must
Speaker 1: have Satan in you? What's going on? Because I'm a
Speaker 1: kind person. So I'm in there, Hey, what's up? Man?
Speaker 1: Blah blah, and already kind of shook his hand and
Speaker 1: he's just like whatever, really shakes my hand, like whatever.
Speaker 1: We're there, were chilling, We're about to leave now. The
Speaker 1: homie that invited me to go there is in the
Speaker 1: car with this dude and some chicks from the car
Speaker 1: or whatever. And I'm with a woman that I'm with
Speaker 1: and she's you know, with me. She's next to me,
Speaker 1: and they're in the car and I'm outside the car
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, where you guys going And the
Speaker 1: guys on the front seat of the driver's seat he
Speaker 1: keeps saying, yo, yo, we don't know what we're going.
Speaker 1: I said, hold on, buddy, talking to him in the back.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out where we're going? Where are
Speaker 1: we going? And he was like, yo, man, I don't
Speaker 1: know yet. We're figuring out blah blah. And then she
Speaker 1: comes in and she's like, hey, listen, sorry, we're just
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, like where exactly where going. He's like,
Speaker 1: can you back up from the car please? To her?
Speaker 1: And I walked up to the window. I said, excuse me, sir,
Speaker 1: and I said, I appreciate you know, you're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out. I just don't speak to her like that.
Speaker 1: And he went, who the funk are you like that?
Speaker 1: I just lost and I punched in the face hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his nose was bleeding. It was a good time, and
Speaker 1: they scared it off. They were in uber and they
Speaker 1: were scared. They don't start shooting rat the weather. Yeah no,
Speaker 1: I just I'm back in him like that. Wow. And
Speaker 1: then he was like and then they told me that
Speaker 1: we both knew. He was like, dude, he told me,
Speaker 1: you broke his nose. Man, what's going off? I said, bro?
Speaker 1: I said, you're speaking just anytime I'm sorry, says I
Speaker 1: love all people, but anytime, like white people speak to
Speaker 1: me in a certain way, like I just have flashbacks.
Speaker 1: I'm just like slavery. This is no you think you
Speaker 1: can get away this now? No? Sorry, One more story,
Speaker 1: quick kind of story. The first This is the story,
Speaker 1: and it's also about me being aggressive. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: whoever you are, go fix your nose and your mother mouth.
Speaker 1: But look, you're talking to Trevor Jackson. Okay, but don't
Speaker 1: take this grown this ship. You hear me, You hear me.
Speaker 1: Put them on. You need to hear me. He need notice,
Speaker 1: put them on, notse go fix your face? Hey, go
Speaker 1: do you a little nose, Candy. I'm sure you were
Speaker 1: probably on it. Hey, he woke your gss up. Hey,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know how big of the like. I
Speaker 1: found that out there, I was like, oh fuck stole
Speaker 1: on one the Beatles man. Hey. So I was like,
Speaker 1: oh ship, this nick is okay? Bet, sorry, but just
Speaker 1: don't speak that way. Okay. Last story, I was on
Speaker 1: tour in Chicago. Similar story. Me and this guy right here,
Speaker 1: that guy there's Jackson. That's my brother and my cousin. Um,
Speaker 1: the Jackson's are here. Yeah, so we're at uh, we're
Speaker 1: at the damn uh. Then you go across the street
Speaker 1: and no one's in there, like rapped the show. We're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go somewhere. No one's in here. Cool. We go
Speaker 1: in there, we start d JAN. The DJ booth is
Speaker 1: a little bit like elevated, probably like this this talk.
Speaker 1: And then we're staying up there with DJ. No one's
Speaker 1: in there. We people start walking by and just flooding
Speaker 1: in because we're like playing music. Oh, getting it popping.
Speaker 1: Then this guy comes there's like, yo, what the heck,
Speaker 1: get down bla blah blah blah blah. He climbs up
Speaker 1: the thing and he's like, hey man, what the fun
Speaker 1: you guys don't get off. I was like, sir, I
Speaker 1: have no problem hearing anything you have to say, do
Speaker 1: anything you ask. Just please don't speak to me that way.
Speaker 1: I'll talk to me fucking way I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you. I was like, if like this, bro and
Speaker 1: he felt offs bros Bad. I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what. I don't know what I said, but I
Speaker 1: just gathered all the energy. I gathered all the energy
Speaker 1: from the outside of it came in and he felt
Speaker 1: and he felt onnest me because he's crowding there. So
Speaker 1: he's like they're like body surfing. He's like shutting the
Speaker 1: funk out of here while while these bodies slept. I swear, Bro,
Speaker 1: I was like, God, I look at like this. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm a human being. That's all I want
Speaker 1: to talk. I'm a human being. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, my issue. It's just don't be mean man life.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like what you said though you're such
Speaker 1: a nice person. You're like nice and violent you and
Speaker 1: you put out so much good energy. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying that once you're back, I was just hurt
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what do you Why are you speaking
Speaker 1: to me like I talked to you. I want to
Speaker 1: talk to who? Do you think that you gottah human?
Speaker 1: The triggers for you? Brother? Yeah, I'm sorry because apparently
Speaker 1: it goes from zero to a hunted man. Um. Listen, man,
Speaker 1: uh a little bro. We celebrate you. I love you, guys. Man,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Salute you. Um. We continue to
Speaker 1: hold you in high regard, and we will make sure
Speaker 1: that anybody's speaking on your name does the same. Um,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming to the Harpy Money Podcast. Man,
Speaker 1: my name is Tank, I'm Jay Valentine. This is Trevor Jackson,
Speaker 1: and this has been Treasure, Action Jackson on the Money
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