WEBVTT - Trevor Jackson 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:19.960 Money. Well, we are the authority and ladies and gentlemen, 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.840 what's going on? I am take and we are the 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.560 Army Money Podcast, the authorities on all things R and 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:32.040 B in the building. Yeah, I'm I'm getting passionate. You 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.560 know what I'm saying because because sometimes we have family 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.120 members in the building. You know what I'm saying. You 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.720 know the guys who who we've watched go from boys 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.920 to men, saying you shout out to those guys. We've 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:46.560 watched them go from boys to men and they've done 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.920 it with class, they've done it with excellence, and they've 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:54.320 been successful at this thing. Ladies and gentleman in the building. 0:00:55.120 --> 0:01:02.160 A little bro who's not tallering us, hey honed to 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.959 be here for all seriousness legends. Man, I've looked at 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.800 you guys like basically my whole life and then being 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:09.200 able to work with you guys, like you said, since 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.160 I was very young and hopefully we can do it again. 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.080 How that I'm older, But you guys man paved the 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.280 way many ways, brother, many people, So thank you for 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.800 having got jury and a kind of ship. No, no, 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:22.720 he had no jury. Man lash out of Indiana, like, man, 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.720 it's crazy, that's what you gotta respect about what Trevor's 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:31.080 doing right. Okay, Trevor is doing right? Is I care? 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:36.319 But I don't care. But I don't, But I'm gonna 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:40.160 go surf. I'm probably surf after this, I don't know. 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.760 Maybe a little parkore on your fake grass, I don't know, 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:48.480 shoot a couple of jumpers on into the pool, backflip 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:52.240 into the pool. He's prepared, He's prepared for all things. 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:56.120 But then he says, don't get ship twisted. I got ice, 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.560 I got it, I got it on me. It's very new, 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.920 it's very new. I just funny thing is I said 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.120 I would never do it, and then I was like, man, 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.280 explain that. So this I got this first. This is 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.600 just a little link to get cuping, a little link. 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:13.440 I didn't want it to hang too low because I 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:19.040 like to be shirtless. So anyways, you right, you under 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.320 saying yeah, no, so I wanted that, and then born 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.440 artists my company. This is like the imblements of sharks. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.840 Sharks will die if they stopped moving forward, stop swimming, 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.359 to literally die. And I feel like that's why I'm 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:32.480 with music when it comes to entertainments. Yeah, he's got 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:36.600 crocks on. Hey, man because I don't care really but 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:41.160 still kind of and he's bodying a paintbrush meaning arts 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.160 and all things art like we want to suck the 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:47.040 art name up in a good way. Wow. So so, Trevor, 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:51.200 you're one of those You're one of those rare human beings, 0:02:52.320 --> 0:03:00.200 um who can do anything. Like everything that I've mean 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.920 you do or whatever task you've taken on high level, 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:08.560 high level, you done it and done it well. Well, 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:10.520 we looked at what we love to do on Army 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.240 Money podcast is we like to start at the beginning, 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.079 even though we need the people need to understanding back 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.359 to Indiana. We want on the journey. We want to 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.320 we want to know the first day you said as 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.080 somebody said, he got it, and then we want to 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:29.240 go from there and get to the shark with crocs 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:35.560 on because I didn't always have always You're a first 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.360 to put crocks on the shark, you know. And if 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:42.680 Disney cos your ship, if you niggas make a shark feet, 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.720 if y'all come out with a shark feet, I know sharks, Dad, 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:56.800 I just want to wear shark feet. Were we together? It? Okay? 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.600 So the beginning. I started tap as when I was 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:06.000 three years old, I remember Gregory Hunt alright, alright, see 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.600 the young man. No, it's history to tap dancing. At 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.400 three three years old, I remember I was my mom. 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:12.800 This is what she claims. She says that I was 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:14.520 flipping around and she didn't want to hear myself. She 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:16.920 took me to a gymnastics class and I walked by 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:18.840 the room and think it was happening. I was like, whoo, 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.479 so I want to do that. And then I just remember, 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.600 like anything I want to do. I'm like just trying 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:25.799 to study and like who's great? And I just remember 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:27.679 seeing Gregory Hinds. And it wasn't just that he was happening. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.480 He was just like when he was on screen, everybody 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.200 else was like, who is that? Why is he The 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.599 way he walked away, he spoke um, and he's sang 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.359 and whatever. I saw her. Forget what the movie was, 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.800 but he was singing in it, he was tapping in it, 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:41.240 and you know he was on TV s he was acting. 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:42.839 So I was like, I want to do that. Whatever 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:44.480 all of these things are I want to have. I 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.599 want to do all that. That's kind of where it started. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.040 I started, like, uh, competing in different places and stuff. 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.240 And then I remember I went to some workshop in 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.760 New York and some guy, his name is Lane Napper. 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:55.800 He worked for Nickelodeon at the time, and he was like, yo, 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.200 we know he could dance, but he's got something like 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.200 just put him into up else, make him do something else. 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.000 Did a local Broadway show called even Boards Christmas Show, 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:06.400 and then from that I did Lion King the Broadway 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:07.880 show for like three years, and that that changed my 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.320 whole life. I told when you when you was eight 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.520 years old eight to eleven, Simba, I was Smber. Yeah, 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.080 I was the whole first hour of the show and 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.760 um at eight at eight, yeah, And I remember I 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.159 can remember at that time, I never thought about being on. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.200 I mean, I was just like, I'm just having a 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.000 blast from a backflips, I'm singing. Didn't even think about 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:28.680 what it was doing. He didn't think about it as 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:30.680 work either, No, not at all, not at all. And 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.000 I remember there was a day and I don't remember 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.680 what day, but some day I wasn't performing, and I 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.800 remember just you can only really see the first row 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:41.279 when it's like that, Yeah, the life. Yeah, I don't know. 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:47.000 I've never done broad Away, you know, No, I don't 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.640 you know, you know, you can only really see and 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:54.200 I only see everything's blacked out in the SUPERCI perform 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:58.920 multiple concerts in the right right. Okay, cool? So Mr 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:04.200 burns from me. That's so. Yeah. They're in the front 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.000 row and I just remember them being like like that, 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:08.840 and I was just like, why are they smiling? And 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:10.440 I looked on stage. I was like, I'm only one 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.840 up here. So I was like, oh wait wait wait 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.200 wait wait wait wait wait, completely by yourself. Yeah. Yeah, 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.080 there's like numbers where I'm just singing it's just me, 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.359 and I'm like, they're all smiling like happy, And I 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.279 was like, is that because I'm it's me? I was like, 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.240 all right, that's what I want for life. If I 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:26.520 can do that, and it doesn't have to be just 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.560 on stage. Is anyway that I can like affect someone's day, 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.000 make them happier. It's done something, you know what I'm saying. 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.120 So after that, I told him, I mean, I was like, 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.280 this is it. I'm I can't go back school. I mean, 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:40.920 I gotta I gotta perform. I've gotta dropped out of eight. Yeah, 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.080 I wish bro The wars that me and my mom 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:47.599 had about he dropped out of eight never looked back, 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:52.159 never never looked back. Um. Yeah, So then that people 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:53.560 were like, okay, so we should go to New York. 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:55.919 L A. I'm an l A guy. No respected it 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:57.279 in New York. I love New York. I love people 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:58.760 from New York. New York as the place is just 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.400 not my I don't think I would thrive there. So 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.360 we have a thing when when when you put out 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:11.080 the disclaimer of no disrespects, no disrespect, I love New York. 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.640 Uh yeah, A was just the place that you wanted 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.320 to be. Yeah, I want to be I like ocean, 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.560 you know, I like water, and I like I like 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.880 open you know. Aaron moved out here in two thousand 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.080 and eight and been shipping away man since then. That's 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.400 from fifteen years up in the Iron. So but during 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:35.520 that time, right from Lion King, I remember when your 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:39.240 label Reps came to that's the thing, right, like, no, 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.560 that that was the thing because people don't understand the 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:47.040 music business. You have to have certain bullet points for 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.440 people to even be interested, right because from the outside, 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.040 people just like, oh well, if I gotta check you 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.800 work with me. You know a lot of people gotta 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:57.920 check a lot of people, you know what I mean, Like, 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:00.720 and you get to a point in a business where 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.400 you've had enough success where you can pick and choose 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.800 who you want to work with if it makes sense 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.160 for you, right, Because one, everybody can't work with kids, 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:11.600 and you were a kid, you know what I'm saying, 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.040 Like you still hyper, but you was even more hyper then, right, Like, 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.680 so it's like all of those factors. That's why people 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:22.280 like Jermaine dupri have the utmost respect for Jermaine Dupris 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:28.360 for being able to work with multiple kid acts. That's tough, right, 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:30.720 because you gotta write the right record too, right, It 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:36.360 can't beat or to that. We've experienced that with you, right, So, 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.160 and that's that's what that's what I'm getting to. Like, 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.760 I remember having a conversation and then seeing you in 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:46.240 the lobby and of course every as soon as the 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.880 first thing they do all kids acts. If you can sing, 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.320 it's a it's a young boy, not even just sing, 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.240 but it's Michael Jackson. Everybody's Michael jack You're gonna either 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.720 sing Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder. So listen, if you 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.480 guys are watching this, If you sing my Chael Jackson 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.400 and Stevie Wonder from me I'm kicking you out the studio. Now, 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:07.000 I'm putting this this their a legends, their legends. They 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.200 are who they are, right I am. I think it 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.920 was Who's loving you might have been it was, but 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.320 that was years ago. But that break out into that 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.000 I'm kicking you your mom or your uncle and your 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:26.280 daddy out the studio. It's one more song to added 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.080 to that though, too. Which one is that the kid 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:36.920 Alicia Ki? Yes, yes, something. I was like, okay, because 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.040 they find songs that the kids can push. I've heard 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:43.560 at least not kids singing at that point. You're on 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.520 Atlantic Records. Yeah, okay, Wait, before that, I met with everyone, 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.720 and you know, everyone says what they say, awesome, cool, 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.439 Atlantic said the best stuff. So I went with them. 0:09:55.559 --> 0:10:00.400 Um and yeah, I was fifteen years old. That was crazy, 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.040 crazy experience, very green at the time, you know, but 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:12.319 it's very dope. Um yeah, and then we met right, yeah, yes, 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:16.120 what the heck? That was ten years ago. That's at 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:27.320 uh yes and yeah yeah yeah dude, And I still 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.720 remember some of the stuff we did, some craziness. We 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.800 did some and still needs to come out. I still 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:35.559 sing hold up. And we wanted to put you on 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.720 a level because you had the tools right and and 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:41.240 there of course, he said, there has to be a 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.559 fine balance between you being a kid, you know what 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.600 I'm saying, and you being an adult and what you 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:52.040 can um actually conveyable. That's you know what vocally, no, no, no, 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:58.000 we met you at fifteen at UM the studio hard 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:05.920 that that. Oh, but but what's the one that I 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:12.200 can't think of it, but that's we got you maybe 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.800 seven maybe around seventeen eighteen, which we felt like was 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.800 a perfect time because it was like the coming of 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.040 age thing. Obviously, we spoke about that off camera, like him, 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.600 you know, us doing a Mario when he's like eighteen, 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:26.120 you know what I mean. Like we had already worked 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.240 with Chris Brown, different artists that we had worked with 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:33.960 that were like young men, right, fifteen young boy, seventeen 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:37.800 eighteen young man. And for us, we were like, oh, 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.959 this is the pocket, this is where we're going to. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.520 We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna give him that ship, 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.439 you know what I mean, because because you know, you 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.760 become very aggressive eighteen or will just say eighteen for 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:53.920 the for the sake of what I'm gonna say. After that, 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.320 at the age of eighteen, you were, you know, young lion. 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:09.000 Sure man, they know. I remember who was coming by 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:17.400 the studio. Yeah, those are those are amazing times for real, honestly, 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.320 And I remember you guys, uh just like pouring in man, 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.360 and then you'd be like, Yo're like going there, I'm 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.520 gonna come back, have the vocals done, and I want 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.400 him to sound like this was to sound. And I 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.080 was like, because you at the time, you know, you 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.560 were still doing a lot of stuff yourself, like you 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.720 were vocal producing yourself, and so we were very impressed 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:40.040 that at seventeen eighteen years old, you were like really 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.840 tapped into the quality. Yeah, make sure that it's good, man, 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:46.599 it's all you have left. I feel like, you know, 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:50.800 I'm going like, yo, this record it is um. But 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.680 it was the fight right like you were like explained 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.040 that because I mean, obviously we have our side of 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.000 how we saw it from the outside looking in, but 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:03.640 explained being seventeen eighteen years old, coming of age, young man, 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.400 wanting to get your ship off at that point, you 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:07.960 want to get your ship off, Yeah, and it's hard 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:09.839 right now, you're trying to tell a label that you've 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.800 been signed to since you were fifteen that no, no, 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:16.040 I'm grown now about to be grown? Right? Um. I 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.160 think it was you know what, To be honest with you, 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:20.839 I think it was partly me. I don't think I 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:25.760 understood the beauty of honesty until I got a little older, 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.240 because even at eighteen, I felt like I was still 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.160 under I feel like I was still under the mask 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.360 of like we were just talking about Michael, and I 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.160 was always like, Michael wouldn't say that, or no, I 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:35.959 was like trying to hold myself to pretty sure you 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:37.560 said that to us. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did. 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.200 They're like, we can say that. I was like, Michael, 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:47.000 Michael wouldn't say that. Whoever even met Michael. You met Michael, 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:52.120 You're Michael. Look look at it. Look at Michael. Oh, 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:55.760 Michael beat up bubbles for him. Hey man, we do 0:13:55.800 --> 0:14:00.080 a drug. I'm sorry I didn't know that. Wow, But 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.480 you never told me that everything. Um, I thought you 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:09.160 were told me that we're not gonna but no, that 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.000 was mine. That's where I was at that time, like, 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.560 oh I got to do this, I do this right. Um. 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:15.240 So I think I was partably part of the problem 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.000 for that too. Um. And like I said, it wasn't 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:19.800 til later that I was like, oh man, I just 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.480 gotta everything feels better when it's real, or at least 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.080 it's something that you want, you know, um, because people 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:28.360 can tell you to do a certain thing and you 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:29.640 can do it, but it won't be as good as 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:31.120 if you're like, hey, I love that thing and don't 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.240 want to do it, like yeah, it's it's it's I mean, 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.000 we can pitch it to pitch it all day, right right, 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.880 but I think we saw something in you and about 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:45.320 you that you knew, probably probably scared of it, probably 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.600 were like I mean. And then add add to the 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:52.479 fact that you know, Mom's is heavily in the so good, 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.560 so good a spot. Moms was heavily in the building. 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:59.400 Yeah you always yeah, right right right in the studio 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:07.240 in the Bible right for she's like now traveling, now 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.240 come on, even now, I'll be playing to it. I'm like, 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:14.560 let me let me cook. I understand, I understand it. 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.560 And then you know, trying to you know, manage it 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.480 from an image standpoint in terms of where you and 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.240 what you think, and it's all about and that's what 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.520 I'm saying like these image things are only from people 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.720 that have been have existed already, and if you're trying 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.640 to do something to or create something, you realize that, hey, 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:34.200 this path hasn't been made yet, you know, the footprints 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:35.840 in the same haven't been made. So maybe I can, 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:39.120 you know, but it takes time, you know. I used 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:40.560 to have a kind of like a spirit of like, 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.800 oh I wish, but now I'm just like, everything is purpose, 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.200 So everything is happening at the time is supposed to happen. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:51.840 It makes sense now, So you you, you're acting was 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:58.000 developed in a space that I think, I think most 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:04.160 actors should you know, should dabble in at least once 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:08.720 or twice. And that's that theater stage, because that theater 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.400 stage is unforgiving. Yeah, no it is. I just had 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.120 to go. I just brought away at this beginning of 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.280 this year the top dance kid. And that was the 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.760 hardest thing I've ever done in my whole life's ever 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.040 learned the whole show in eleven days. And then how 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.640 did how many shows every week? I did well, only 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:26.280 it was only like a week long run, but it 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:31.239 was every day every day for sure, and Saturday Sunday. Yeah, 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:35.840 and you can't can't party, you can't hang out, can't 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:37.360 do anything. It's like, if I want my voice to 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.360 sound good tomorrow, I've got to not talking to anything. 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.640 So I hated it. I hate not to be be developed 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:48.600 in this space that I think every actor needs. You 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:52.600 need that. Okay, I only have one takes. I better 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:58.600 be on my that now groomed you for the music part. 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.720 I think that's the passion and that's you know, that's 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.640 the love and I think that that was that's probably 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.840 the harder part for you to figure out for sure, 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:15.760 for sure. And then you move into yeah TV and 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:21.000 it goes crazy, Yeah, for sure. So how would how 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.200 did you make that transition? Like what was the call? 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:26.560 Because you at this point you were music music and 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.520 then you have to say, Okay, how'm gonna pay for 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.920 my videos? Let me let me put this you know what. 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.640 That's a great way to gonna pay for music, real 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.480 real music business. Yeah, because when you want to do 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.080 what you want to do, you gotta pay for it. 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.080 You gotta pay for it. And that's the thing, like 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.399 you're saying, because if somebody like we're talking to people 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:50.600 can pitch all day and if I don't bite, and 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.439 I'm like, hey, that's not the greatest idea. Okay, we're 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.080 gonna go do what you want to do, but we're 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:55.520 not gonna We're not gonna give you bread for it, 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:56.960 and we're not gonna push it, and we're not gonna 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.280 market it. But sure, if you want to be creatively free, 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.199 you go do that. And to do that and to 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.119 have the ship I like because I watched it, and 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.359 I'm the most critical person on the planet. I watched 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.359 my own ship like that. So I'm like, I gotta 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.040 make sure that it it's fire. I gotta get the 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:12.199 hundred camera, I gotta rent it, I gotta get this guy, 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:13.920 I gotta get the great lighting team. I gotta get 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.040 the people coming in, and it's gotta look good, and 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.160 I gotta have a good story. I've gotta I don't 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:19.720 want my video to look like every video I've got, 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.320 you know, and to do that you have to have money. 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.359 And so obviously I love acting, and that's I'm not 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.359 I'm not disclaiming that that's a huge part of my 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.960 life and it's saved me many of times just throughout 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.400 the human experience. But definitely a big part of it 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:34.879 is when I want to make a music video, I 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:38.720 can make it. And I think that's all I like 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:40.040 we're talking about. For it is what I have is 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:41.960 like those are my stories, those are my visuals to 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.199 my stories. That's how I see the world, and I 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.240 want to be able to provide that. So acting has 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:54.200 financed your music for sure, hundred percent, dude. Oh yeah. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:59.800 And I feel like, do you feel like the acting 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.119 help put you in a in a better space for 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.840 your music to be absolutely to be heard? But I think, okay, 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.840 So I think musicians know, like when they hear myself, 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:12.119 you know what I'm saying, But it's hard for an 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.399 audience when they've seen you as something for a minute, 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:18.560 you know, And it's yeah, yeah being pigeon home for sure. 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.560 And it's sometimes Rice versus some people don't do music. 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:21.960 It's like, oh, I didn't know he's on to it. 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.080 You know. It's like whatever you found first, that's what 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.120 you identified with. This is who that is to me. Um. 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.400 But I think that just comes a time in consistency. 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.560 I think if you put out six albums in their 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.159 own toper, you know, people are like, Okay, he's not 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.640 just trying to make music. He makes music. That's because 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:42.000 I'm not gonna lie to you. It's very interesting to 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:45.920 me to see every character off of every show drop 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.480 a song. Yeah, I'd be like wait wait wait such 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.679 and such yeah, thing too, and it kind of it 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.760 waddles it down to a certain degree because a lot 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.240 of it isn't good, right, and you wanted to be 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:01.400 because you like the character they are on the show, 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.240 are they played in this movie? And then that music 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:08.399 hid and he's like, boy, you ain't who you did. 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:19.159 And that's tough, especially for artists like yourself, right, who 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:25.200 just a just a consumer sees you as one thing, 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:29.879 and now you're judged by almost what other people are doing, right, 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.520 because their song wasn't that good, So they're like, I'm 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.359 not gonna listen to hyeah. Right. So that's why to me, 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:39.119 it was really it was really important for Drake to 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:43.480 become Drake because that you can't put that stigma on 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:47.520 people anymore of the oh he only does right, Like 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.800 obviously Jamie Foxx, who was an anomaly, right, he's just 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:55.199 he can do anything. He's an alien absolutely, um. But 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:59.640 when Drake came and did it, it was like Will 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:03.520 chaired Jimmy right, like nobody expects it will chair Jimmy 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:07.440 to be the top rapper in the world and maybe 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.359 R and B singer for men too. Like you know, 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.840 I mean like he I mean he did it. He 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:18.159 did it, and I definitely listen. I was trying not 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:21.040 to listen, but also still at the same time, I 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:23.000 don't even really hear what he's doing. I need that 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:29.959 little steel tolle melody. No no no, no, no no no, 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:36.360 I don't hear it. But so for someone like yourself, 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:42.080 was that also inspiring for you to see that that? Okay, 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:44.960 especially in your age range too. Drake's not for sure 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.240 for sure, I mean funny say that because I have 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:49.160 a you know, I'm always working on the album seven 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:51.359 It's night Night. But for one of the intro tractors, 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:54.159 a bar that kind of alludes to that, UM, just 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:59.399 saying like, uh, you know, okay, Sorry, I'm kind of 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.840 changing topic. Do you guys think that in some circumstances 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.080 or most you need a co sign or something like that? 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:10.480 Two certain, because when I think about I think Drake 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:14.560 needed Wayne. Yeah, yes I do personally, you know, someone 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:19.080 someone else. I think Drake will say that. Um, Wayne's 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:23.400 co sign was huge, right, right, And did you kind 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:25.919 of have or was whiz kind of on his I 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:28.840