WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: DJ Clark Kent 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:06.880 Quest Loft Show is a production of iHeart Radio. Yo, Yo, 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:09.480 What's Up? What's Up? It's another classic episode of the 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:13.760 Quest Love Supreme podcast. And these are always somewhat difficult 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.400 when the guests who happens to be a great friend 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.640 is no longer with us. Of course, I'm talking about 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:25.520 the magnetic being himself, DJ Clark Kent. He was a 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:29.120 legend behind the turntables, behind the production board, behind the desk, 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:34.520 behind street fashion, and back in October of twenty twenty two, 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:38.239 we spoke to Clark on Zoom along with Team Supreme. 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:42.800 We had no idea he transitioned two years later. Here 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.360 you're gonna learn some of the things that would define 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:49.040 Clark's life and career. He shares how being teased as 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.240 a kid for wearing glasses gave him the Clark Kent 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:56.040 nickname led to becoming the man who helped the world 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:00.080 discover Jay Z. Clark went deep on the science of 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:04.160 DJing and producing from the emotional power of the Ohio 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:08.040 players Ecstasy which he ended every set and I my 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.679 witness to that and sample for the song Brooklyn's Finest, 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.800 which you'll hear. How Clark tried more than fifty scratch 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.720 hook ideas for he reveals that he was Rock Kim's 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.640 DJ for the very first time Rock Kim blessed the 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:26.400 part Jim and how he almost signed nods off of 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:28.960 Live of the Barbecue before the world got to know 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:33.200 who he was. And this episode also covers Clark's evolution 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.280 to a sneaker icon he got me in the game. 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.399 All right, this is the story of God's favorite DJ 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.560 and one of my favorite DJs. From the park jams 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:46.600 and label board rooms to the Nike kitchen and beyond. Clark, 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.400 we are going to miss you, bruh. All right, here's 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.960 Clark Kin's episode. 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.560 You have to understand, Like, I don't want this to 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.559 be you at all, and this is like maybe probably 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:06.200 the most important thing I want to say today is 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:11.160 I love Quest Like I'm like, uh like beyond beyond 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:13.280 him being my man, Like did. 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:14.160 We say this for the show? 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.680 Show the show, the show to it I'll start to show. 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.440 Oh no, no, listen to what I'm about to say. 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.480 You might you might understand. I just want to say 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.680 it's truly an honor to be considered for this show 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.800 because this show is so fucking good. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:29.600 Wow, thank you, Mark. 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:31.320 I appreciate that. Thank you. 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.280 He's preventing me from giving him a proper intro. Uh, 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.919 Ladies and Joe and this is Quest Love Supreme. We're 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:41.880 here with Team Supreme Sugar Steve Fan take alow, shout 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.079 out to Bill Sermons, and uh, like you, how you doing. 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.840 I'm doing good. I'm doing real good. I was just 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:48.680 what's the. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.560 What's I've been meaning to ask you? What's the portrait 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:52.120 behind you? 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.080 That's my dad, says that our artist painted that of 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:58.679 him playing the drums. 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.359 Oh that's your dad. Yeah, okay, that's what's up. No, No, 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:03.679 every time I see I didn't know if it was 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:04.960 a moon or whatever. 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:07.720 And that's a symbol. Quest Love. 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.560 That's a symbol. That's what they all know with drums 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:12.520 they play. It comes with a drum set. 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.240 Do you know I did not know that. One day. 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:19.560 I will take that up anyway, y'all check it. So 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:23.560 I'm gonna say that, you know, we're nerds on this show, 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:27.760 and we always uh sort of salivate over a specific 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:33.800 type of industry insider, behind the scenes person, and you know, 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:38.000 like dream Dream Future guest of the show, Like, you know, 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:40.840 I would definitely want to get Suzanne to pass on 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.839 the show. We definitely have to find the elusive John 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.400 McLean as many times as he's been mentioned by like 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.760 every artist that's been on the show. But for me, 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:54.000 I'll say that the behind the scenes person mostly like 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:59.200 offers uh kind of like a different perspective and has 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.240 way more details in a way that an artist who's 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:03.920 in the eye of the storm can't see. I don't 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:05.320 think he could be in it and of it at 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.320 the same time. So for me, I love talking to 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:12.440 behind the scenes people, and you know, and I'm segueing 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.960 right into our guest today, this particular gentleman. He's everything 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:22.279 that you've heard about him, probably and more, and probably 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:25.440 say resume is a little reductive because I don't you know, 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.800 it's not like like he works for nobody. He's literally 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:33.760 God's favorite DJ. And I stand by that another guy 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:38.200 that he's associated with. Let's start with he is the 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.120 reason why we know who jay Z is. That's that's 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.480 might drop alone. But there's so much more than that 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:47.440 one story I'm dying to know about. Of course, during 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:53.280 the ton Silverman episode and you know Monica Lynch episode, 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:59.120 speaking of them developing the new music seminar, and you know, 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.920 one of the most favor things about it was the 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:06.320 the infamous battleful Ward supremacy tales that I've always heard about, 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:11.159 especially the Craig g versus supernet. I always wanted to 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:12.760 know about that. I mean, this is also how we 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.280 know who Skills is as well. I mean, let's just 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:19.160 mention the classics. Brooklyn's finest guess he's backed by Rock Kim, 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:24.760 Biggie Sky's limit on Life after Death needs you tonight anyway, man, 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:27.839 I can go on and on not to mention this 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:33.040 human being gave me my true intro into the world 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:37.040 of fashion, because without him, I would have never had 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:45.080 my own Nike imprint. Yes, this is the man that's responding, dude, 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.320 I'm telling you, man, this this guy is a legend 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.720 and he's on the show today. Clark Kent, thank you 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.520 for finally, I won't say finally like it took you 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.600 long enough. I realized that this has almost been a 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.520 year of the mak Yeah that you're right, the way 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:09.080 falls on me. Yes, you're absolutely right. Clark Kit is 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:13.120 probably the guest that we've had to put off the most. 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:15.760 You know, there's always an emergency that happens on a 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:17.760 Clark Kit episode, and then we're like, can we do 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:21.279 this at a month or so? So after four false starts, 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.920 we are finally here making it happen. How are you, sir? 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:29.919 I am truly blessed to be here on earth, but 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.919 I'm even you know, like I'm very very honored to 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.960 be a guest of yours simply because of how much 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:42.320 I admire you, And as I was saying to your 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:47.119 crew earlier, like almost like sometimes I parallel the way 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.560 you work to the way that I work or the 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.760 way that I worked. Like when I was coming up, 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.680 I did everything and I just was trying to be 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.680 always working, like never not working. And then you know, 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.960 like the rise of It's love to me, it's like 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.160 I don't think you're understanding what he's doing. He's just 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.920 not stopping. And then I think about how I came up, 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.440 like I just never stopped, so even doing what I 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.240 do now, like it's like I never stopped. I don't 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.679 even understand stop. And I look at you and I think, Okay, 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:20.560 I'm not crazy for being that way, and I really 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:22.560 really really respect you. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.400 Thank you. I gave my first speech to a bunch 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:30.200 of high schoolers. This show is famous for putting me 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.480 in a right look at life's face right now exactly. 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:37.120 This show pretty much knows my weak points and they 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:42.640 know that I'm a person that shoes or avoids compliments. 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:48.720 I also avoid kids. You know, many times have been asked, 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:50.920 hey speak at my high school, Hey talk to the kids, 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.960 and da, da da da. So I finally got over 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.920 my fear and went to a Bronx high school last 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:03.280 week from this taping, and I actually found myself saying 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:08.240 the opposite. Yes, I take those words, and I appreciate. 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:09.880 And this is also going to be probably the most 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:14.280 polite quest of Supreme episode we've ever done. But I 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.000 will actually say that I'm trying to what he says. 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:21.520 No, I was going to say that Clark is actually 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:27.720 touching on a truly legitimate thing that you exemplify, which 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.280 is work ethic and right. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:35.120 But but I'm. 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:37.880 Actually I'm and I'm dead serious about this. I am 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:44.880 trying to do less work. I'm literally making a living 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.160 doing things that I love doing. But I know that 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.000 for me and no way I'm trying to put a 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.079 time on anything and not trying to be all morbid. 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.120 But you know, when you're when you're north of fifty, 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:03.160 you know, you're thinking about your your last few acts. 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.560 You know, I'm in the third quarter or the fourth, 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.800 you know, halftime is over. I'm in the third quarter now, 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.200 so I consider third quarter the last act of work. 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:12.280 That's what you think. 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.600 Yeah, And but I want to do it so that 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.080 I want to be the first generation that can And 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:20.640 I know it's weird to hear me say this, but 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.000 I would like to be part of the first generation 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:29.880 that when they say they're going to retire, they actually 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.040 mean it. You know, for a lot of us, I 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.400 hear like, oh, I'm gonna stop. Actually. You know, I 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.800 always tease Jay about remember when Jay said he was 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:41.760 going to retire after reasonable doubt? What you remember that? 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.040 Yeah, but I was the one who was like, no, 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:44.480 you're not. 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:50.320 Pulls it right exactly. So but I would I think that, 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.199 you know, we're seeing a new generation. I mean, we're 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.480 gonna have the first generation of black generational wealth. And 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.520 I think that we can and also have like real 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:06.000 retirement for us where you get to relax and do 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.440 what you want to do and not and live the 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:12.760 life that you're accustomed to living, and it not affects you. 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.800 So oh well it's going to affect me. You can't 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:18.559 work less. I get paid by the hour, so I 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:20.160 could work out for everybody. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.800 H Clark, I always wanted to know this. Usually in 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:28.120 hip hop, when a person comes up with their their moniker, 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:33.319 their non de plume, it's usually an over exaggerated position 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.360 or something that's larger than life or whatever. I find 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:40.439 it very interesting. I mean, not that you know, DJ 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:44.200 Superman would have been a I don't know how logistic 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.120 logistical that that would have been as a title, but 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.600 I think it's very curious that you decided to choose 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.520 the the half life version of Superman, which is Clark Kent. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.400 What was your reasoning, you know, because we don't know 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.000 any Peter Parker or I don't know the other. 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:03.960 There was a DJ Peter Parker in Brooklyn. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:08.360 Really yeah it's a radio but yeah, that's only. 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:12.160 Two Okay, Well mine's is pretty simple. I wore glasses 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.320 since I was five years old, and I got teased 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.440 and called clock kN since I was a baby. So 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.800 what when when this started to happen? When when I'm 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.720 like nine and I started DJing, there was no name. 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:26.599 But by the time I'm like, okay, I'm going to 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.520 play a park. I gotta tell him something. So I 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.800 told them the name that everybody teased me about, and 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:37.679 it just never went away. I've tried other things to out. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.480 What were your other names that you were optioning. 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:41.640 I used to write graffiti when I was really young, 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:43.640 and I used to write blink, So I tried DJ 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:45.440 Blink and I thought that shit was terrible and it 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.320 didn't rhyme with anything properly when I was in rap groups, 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:53.440 so think drink and sink just just no, it didn't. 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:57.640 It didn't make as much sense later. But and then 0:11:57.679 --> 0:11:59.920 there was a It's funny because I don't know how 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.200 just Blaze nwice. But for like, for like three weeks, 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:08.520 I was grand Master Blaster. And it's crazy because the 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.600 guy who would be on the mic when I was 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.000 when I was DJing like block Party Ship one day 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.120 just went grand Master Blaster cut Faster. I was like, oh, 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.600 And then after the joint, I was just like that 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.600 shit is terrible, and I just went right back to it. 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:26.480 But Clark Kent works for me because I don't believe 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.880 any man is superior to the next man, so I'd 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.160 rather be p persion that that is not a superman. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:33.880 I try to be a super DJ. 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.160 What was your first musical memory of your life. 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:42.120 My first musical memory, My mother was a classically trained 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.880 op singer. Oh wow, Yeah, she sang in the New 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.200 York full of minic. She sang in Lincoln Center like 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:52.520 it's crazy. I did Cornegie Hall a couple of months 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:56.000 ago with d Nice, and everybody was like yo when 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.920 Carnegie Hall and Cornegie Hall. And in my mind, I'm thinking, 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.760 my mother lapis play three times like this is not 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.360 until I know it four times. Until I do it 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:06.959 four times, I've done nothing. 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:07.720 You know what I mean? 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.320 Because I looked. I would go see my mother at 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.360 Conny Yill. But again, she was a classically trained singer, 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.880 so around the house she sang and played the piano 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:21.880 since birth. And then my real real like music aha 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.120 moments was when I stayed with my grandmother and that 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.120 was since I was like six, and she had this 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.679 record that she played like every day when she came 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:34.040 home for work. It was Happy Landings, and I would 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.719 watch her be happy playing this song, and then I 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.040 would just sit there and try to figure out how 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.000 to play all the records in the house, but when 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.480 she's coming home, I would put on happy landings for 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.280 her to walk into the house too, And I realized, 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.959 like maybe like a year later, like I am actually 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.959 doing something to her emotionally by putting this record on 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.040 when she walks through the door. And that made me 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.679 always want to be the person in the house that 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:04.600 played the records. So I didn't know that at five 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.800 and six and seven and eight that I'm becoming this 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:13.760 DJ until I heard records being mixed and I was like, Yo, 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:15.679 what the fuck has happening right now? 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.960 So I know that you are from Brooklyn, I. 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:23.680 Was born I was born in Panama, but raised in Brooklyn. 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.000 Okay, when did you when did you come to. 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.600 U became two months old. I was two months old. 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:34.680 Okay, So can you give us your your take of 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:39.800 coming into hip hop culture because you know, for a 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.240 lot of people, you know, we hear the folklore of 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.880 the Bronx, the Bronx, the Bronx, the Bronx, the Bronx. 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.520 But as large as New York City is, I'm certain 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.720 that the same development was happening in the other boroughs. 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.160 Here's the thing. I don't look at it like a 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:59.200 advent of this thing that that that we call hip 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:03.200 hop I have. I just happened to be alive and 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.440 cognizant of what was happening when I was really young. 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.720 And the reason why is because I was being this 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:12.560 DJ and because I knew grandm Aster Flowers, you know 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.800 what I'm saying. Because I knew Pete DJ Jones when 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.480 I was like a little kid, like knowing those two 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.200 guys and having the conversations about what was happening, like 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.280 you know, it wasn't even like we didn't even know 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.720 that it was called hip hop when we started playing 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.320 the records differently and you know, like we understood, okay, 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.360 that's a section of the record. But then I was 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.800 also in the Bronx with my uncle and he would 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:41.840 introduce me to who Her. He introduced me to Bam 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.600 and Breakout and Barren and j C with Kid and 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.480 everybody from uptown like Charlie, Chase and Tone like I've 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.960 known them since I was like twelve years old, you 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:56.640 know what I'm saying, and did or like I was 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.880 in his crib when I was like twelve or thirteen, 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.000 you know, so watching it all and being able to 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:04.960 do it all like yeah, by accident, you know what 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:07.760 I'm saying, his brother me Jean. I was with my uncle. 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.520 My uncle brings me to me Jean's crib and then 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:11.480 I find out Theodore as his brother. I'm like, wait 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.760 a minute, what's going on here? Ain't that the dude 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.400 but the zigga zigga that we all do, you know 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.040 what I'm saying. But like it was then, it was 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.000 like so far. It was the seventies, and I'm really 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.800 like witnessing and going to eighteen Parking, seeing flashing and 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.560 Casta Nova's and shit and seeing like Grandmaster cast can 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.440 literally say he's know me since I was a kid. 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.640 It was because I was up there with my uncle, 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.160 and my uncle was cool with all of them, so 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.600 he would bring me around. Now, yes, I'm in Brooklyn, 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.400 you know, trying to figure out this DJ thing. But 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:43.400 the first set I ever played on was my uncle 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.840 set and he couldn't DJ, so he couldn't even teach 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:48.600 me anything. So like I would be in his crib 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:50.680 trying to figure it out, like at nine. 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.360 So he had DJ equipment, but wasn't a DJ in 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:55.720 the sense of how we DJ. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:57.760 No, he didn't know how to DJ at all. He 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.880 bought DJ equipment because he frequented clubs so much that 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.119 he wanted to have what they had in clubs in 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.399 his house. So he was a Liviticus guy. He was 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:12.679 a Plato's Retreat guy. He was a Bonds International guy. 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.560 He was a fifty four guy, you know what I'm saying. 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.840 Like he was also a lawyer, so maybe not being 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:20.600 in a pad as garage would be good for him. 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.720 But it's quite an upbringing, all right, because you are 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:30.440 cognizant of records in your house alone. Now, I know, 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:37.080 in hip hop sometimes with selective memory or revision whatever, 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:42.720 like people might mistake, you know, one of the basic 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:47.760 ingredients of hip hop breakbeats that they discovered older making 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:49.600 beats and all those things from like what was there 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:53.320 in real time, but for you in real time growing up, 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.800 you know, in these formative years like twelve thirteen whatever, 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.360 when you're like getting into records and all those things, 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:06.520 like what was the record that caused absolute panic? And 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.040 like when you put it on, it's like, oh Jesus Christ, 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.240 like clear the floor or not clear the floor, get 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:13.760 on the floor. 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.440 At that time, it might have been ecstasy by the 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.920 Ohio players because it was literally my favor. It was 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.480 literally my favorite record as soon as I heard it. 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.880 To me, it's still the best song I've ever heard. 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.520 I got jokes, no, no, no, I love that song 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.600 to death, but I have so many jokes with the 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.600 Eye Players because they get away with so many musical crimes, right. 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.119 And and the thing is, like, the whole record is 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.320 a musical crime. And the reason why I say that 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:44.439 is because it's literally the. 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.440 End of a song like I would like. It's like 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.960 they started right on the riff at the end of 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:51.640 the song. 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:57.840 And there's no hook, there's no verse, there's. 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:00.200 No change whatever whatever he sings the first line like 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:01.560 that's the name of the song, like that. 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.800 I love you use ecstasy Pain is just since the 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:06.280 right exactly. 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.200 But by the time the end of the record comes, 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:10.800 just the most perfect thing I've ever heard, because the 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:15.280 emotion is raw, the music is beautiful, and it proves 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:19.200 that there is no real formula to this shit. It's 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.920 just when you listen, do you walk away going? That 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.160 shit fucked my soul up, you know what I'm saying. 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.840 And that record, since I was a kid, the first 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.160 time I heard it, I was just like, oh my god, 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.760 this might be the most beautiful thing I've ever heard. 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:39.280 And yes, I've heard tons of records, and yeah, I've 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:41.440 heard tons of records, but that record right there, that's 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.639 the reason why I sampled the records because and it 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:45.600 took me like four years to sample it. 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:51.159 Yo, I'm gonna tell you something. The anger. There's nothing 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:56.639 like the feeling of where you think the lane is 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.840 clear and all you got to do is simply to 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:04.480 put the ball in the hoop and you know it's 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:08.880 about to happen, and then someone just smacks the ship 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.359 out of the ball, Like get the fun I'm telling 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:17.240 you now, the anger I had when I heard Brooklyn's 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:21.359 Finest because at the time we're working on Illadelf half Life. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:24.760 I was like, Yo, I'm gonna. 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:29.080 Make some Philadelf. Half Life's a great album, I know. 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:34.920 But my my, my contribution to this jam was I've 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:38.760 been working so hard, like trying to hook up some 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:43.399 version of ecstasy to go on that, and then I 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.560 heard it on a mixtape and was like, Ah, this 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:47.000 is over. 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:51.720 Nope, all right, I'm gonna make this crazy for you. 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.679 I sampled that record two years before on a remix 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.560 for the Future Sound, but I only took one loop, 0:20:58.600 --> 0:20:59.960 and every time I listened to it, I was like, 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.119 I didn't do this right. I didn't do this right. 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:06.120 And again it was my favorite record. So every club 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.440 I played, I ended the night with the record. And 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.119 it became so popular that I would play this record 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.159 that people would be like, I'm waiting to the end 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.480 because I could hear that fucking record. And then one day, 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:20.440 one day, Dame and Jay just go, yo, you got 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.760 you got to hook that up. So I mean, sitting 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.280 there with the sample, I'm just like, there's only one 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:29.639 way for it to feel the way it feels, and 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.000 it has to be the whole five bar loop. Now, 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:34.760 of course five bars is very unconventional, just like three 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:39.320 bars is unconventional. But yeah, like try to call a question. 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.480 When that record was made, I like try to figure 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:44.400 out where the fuck do I mix this record all 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.199 the time, and then I figured out where I'm going 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:48.119 to get that eight bars at and it would be weird, 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.480 but it would always come off right, you know what 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:54.280 I mean. But with Brooklyn's Finest, it's almost like I 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:56.400 had to go, I don't care if they figure it out, 0:21:56.720 --> 0:22:00.119 because the music has to feel and and and the 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:03.520 thing is the music feels, because what they did to 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:05.840 was was great too. But if they didn't, if it 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:09.359 didn't feel, it wouldn't have gotten to there. Have you? 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:10.640 Have you heard. 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:17.440 Lino Richie's version that Jimmy geometry list is line of 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:22.200 Richie covered ecstasy not really but no, but like he 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:29.159 didn't cover ecstasy, but jam kind of flipped it on no, no, 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:31.359 no on loud of them were not louder than words. 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:36.520 What's the Joe that he I gotta find the album? 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:37.919 It's it's a lot of Richie. 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.240 Yes, it's like one of his like I. 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:44.200 Could spend that ship in my set and the ship 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.760 come off. It's yeah, it's the louder than words, right, Oh, 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.359 I want to take you down. Look up, Lina Richie, 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:53.359 I want to take you down. And like I was like, 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:56.199 all right, Jimmy, Jeame, Terry Lewis, like they actually they 0:22:56.320 --> 0:23:00.240 flipped they flipped one of Junie Marson's ad libs so 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:03.480 that it actually sounds like he said, I want to 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:07.440 take you damn. But like it's an album cut on 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:14.159 words like right, like he'sh no, take you, damn, take you. 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.160 I was impressed, and but the thing was, I didn't 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:19.879 know that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis produced it. I 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.160 was just like, all right, so Lionel got some young 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.920 cat to hook up a feat and this, you know, 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.600 this came out in nineteen ninety six, so it's even 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:30.879 weirder that both got album. 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:35.399 No No No. But Jam. I was like, I. 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:40.199 Know you're joking. We got jokes here, No, but literally 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:43.200 I was like asking Jam, like, did you know Brooklyn's 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:46.240 Finus or whatever? And He's like, nah, I didn't because 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:49.080 I was like, it leaked a good six months before 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:50.920 it came out, like I heard on someone's mixtape. 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:53.200 I think it might have been either Chubby Chubb or Clue. 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:58.879 It probably was maybe Clue, you know, whatever it was, 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:02.160 it was enough to make me not like I was like, well, 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:03.200 my dreams a shadow. 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:05.160 It's one of those rare records that like, no matter 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:07.639 how many years later, if anybody play it you on 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.440 the it's just automatic, like yeah. 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:14.440 It's because it's perfect. 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:20.720 Wait, all right, I always tell people this story and 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:22.919 I'm going on the timeline, but I got I got 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:27.120 to ask this question because I don't know we ever talked. 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:29.040 About Yes, Yes, it was hard to follow you at 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:29.960 the Goal Party. 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:33.720 Shut up, man, No, no, no, no, I'm talking about 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:34.600 but but. 0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:37.760 Goal party. 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:41.680 Oh so you oh, y'all followed each other at I 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:43.040 got it, Okay. 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:44.280 I had to get on the plane to go back 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:45.080 to my day job. 0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:47.320 That's the grammy partlem of the Oscar Party. I can't 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:49.480 remember the infamous j. 0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:53.000 We we just did it. 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:54.040 I did okay, we know. 0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:58.760 No, I was gonna. I'm asking you, do you know 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:04.399 if anyone that has documented or recorded, I believe that 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:10.720 was you on the turntables for uh, the after party 0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:12.080 for Zebrahead the movie. 0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:17.520 Wow, remember this. It was a good party. But I 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:18.199 don't know anybody. 0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:21.879 You don't even know. This the one, the one and 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:24.800 last time I ever got on the microphone to rhyme. 0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:28.040 You were you were DJing, you going back and forth 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:31.560 on m Vogue's hold On as an instrumental. 0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:33.080 Yeah, like. 0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:37.359 No, it definitely wasn't booming system. It was just going 0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:41.399 back and forth on hold on and NAS gets up 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:45.960 to rhyme, and then it just became one of the 0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:50.439 things where like thirty mcs were on stage that I remember. 0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:56.200 So I was rolling because Zebrahead was a was a 0:25:56.320 --> 0:26:00.200 rough House Records Association that's where I was interning at 0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:02.800 the time, and you know, we had like two bustlos 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.720 going up, so it was like all the goats, Larry 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:09.240 Larr was there, like all the all the rough House 0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:12.840 people were like there, and I don't know, it was 0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:15.520 on stage and it was like there's. 0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:17.879 A microphone, you got the spirit a mirror? Did you 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:18.119 get this? 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:20.640 And I like one? I had one verse? 0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:23.080 I did you only got one chip? 0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:24.160 Look at a teket. 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:35.760 Kick question whatever. So I was always afraid to tell 0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:38.119 that story because my fear was like someone's going to 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:40.440 be like yeah, and I recorded it and here it 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:45.440 is of it, like literally I remembered nas rhyme in 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:49.520 a long time and then like then like a bunch 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:51.960 of second tier I think Joe Fatal was there. Yeah, 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:54.600 and then by the time it got to like the 0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.720 seventh or eighth MC, then it was like anybody's rhyming. 0:26:57.840 --> 0:26:59.760 And then that like I was number like twenty seven. 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:04.720 But yeah, yeah, sorry memories anyway, No. 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:06.480 I'm not mad at you. I had one of those 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.360 moments when I was like fifteen, and as soon as 0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:14.840 I was done, I was like never again again. I 0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:16.680 was I was I was at a park jam Oh no, 0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:17.520 I didn't rhyme again. 0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:19.760 I just did a hook and I, well, you did 0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:21.000 the hook on Brooklyn's finus. 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:22.240 Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:25.679 I just some time out. They made that song without 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.439 a hook, and then you went and. 0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:32.800 Listen. When Biggie came to do his verse, it was 0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:36.560 like the day before mastering, so it was you're gonna 0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:39.280 do You're gonna do this verse, and then I'm gonna 0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:40.920 have the song's gonna have to go get mad, I'm 0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:42.280 gonna have to mix it, and then it's going to 0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:45.680 master the next morning, so you gotta finish the song. 0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:49.199 He finishes his verses, and him and Jay in the studio, 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:51.200 it's all revelie. I'm like, yo, I need a hook, 0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:55.480 he says. Jay said, scratch something. Every single thing I 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:59.320 tried to scratch on that record sounded like blasphemy because 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:03.800 the record was so rich, right, so everything sounded terrible. 0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:15.080 Will accept Brooklyn Brooks instead of scratching. So Jay's like, y'all, 0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:19.440 I'll be back, and he disappears, and like twenty minutes later, 0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.920 Biggie goes, I'll be back, disappears. But I said to 0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:26.280 both of them on their disappearance, like, yo, you got 0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:28.760 to come and give me a hook. And every time 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.280 I said it to Jay, he said, yo, just scratch something. 0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:34.280 You could make it right. And like I said, everything 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:38.320 was like disgusting. I felt so bad because all I'm 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:38.840 thinking is. 0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:40.160 How long did it? 0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:40.480 Like? 0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:42.080 How many attempts before? 0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:46.320 Oh? No, I attempted at least fifty different things to scratch. 0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:47.160 I just had. 0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:50.400 I just had a crate full of records that said Brooklyn. 0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:52.800 And this wasn't even because of them. It was because 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:55.360 that's what I'm thinking, I'm going to figure something out 0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:59.480 under their hook or maybe in a section, but in 0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:02.400 the breakdow out section in the fifth bar, I'm going 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:06.920 to scratch something every hook right. And then so they're like, yeah, 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.440 you you know you're going to scratch something. I'm like, yes, 0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:11.120 I am, and I got records and I'm going to 0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:13.880 try to figure it out. And nothing was figuring it out. 0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:21.480 Question though, by ninety six, the term we're Booklyn at was. 0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:25.760 It was a known thing, but it wasn't. But it 0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:28.360 wasn't a recorded thing that I could just go, I'm 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:33.720 going to scratch and there was no store. So after 0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:36.120 a million tries and the only thing I got is 0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:42.560 Brooklyn Brooklyn. I'm just like, I'm scared to death, and 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.680 I just I just kept listening to the record, and 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:47.440 I was like, Okay, let me pull a piece from 0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:50.080 my hair, and then okay, what you're going to do 0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:52.240 after that? Because all I got is jay Z Biggie 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.440 Small's nigga shit you draws, and I'm like, that's awesome. 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:57.400 But then I'm like, what else? And then I'm like, okay, 0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.040 shout out the sections and the Burroughs, shout out the 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:05.920 most important ones, persons, Bossy, that's by, you know, like, 0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:08.440 let's get to our shit first, and then the rest 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:11.000 of the ship. I could just roll out. So I 0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:14.000 did it, and I was in fear. But for the 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:18.960 whole time I was there, Damon was there, but he's 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:22.720 not paying it no attention. He's there, He's almost like, 0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:26.800 I don't know, clock's bugging cool. He doesn't even say Clock, 0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:29.400 you'r bugging. I'm just doing this thing, and I'm bugging 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:31.320 in my mind. So I'm telling the engineer, can you 0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:33.800 change the way my voice sounds? Can you double it? 0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:35.720 Can you triple it? Can you quadule it? Can you 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:38.400 do all of these things? Please? Do not make it 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:42.200 sound like me and everybody. He's like, well, what's wrong 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:44.600 with this sounding like you? I said in our crew 0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:52.000 there is a packed Clark will never wrap like Jay 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:54.440 and Saw. It's just one day was in my crib 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:55.960 and it was just like looking at me and I 0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.680 was and I was like, yeah, they were looking at 0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:04.040 me like clocked. You don't rap, don't ever be a rapper, Like, 0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:06.080 let us do the rapping and you make the beat. 0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.240 Don't do this. And I was just like, no problem 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:12.800 because I never ever wanted to be a rapper. So 0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:16.160 at the end of everything, Dame is like, yeah, I 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:20.200 like it, and I'm just like, okay, please, I'm like, please, 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:22.920 do not tell them that I did it. Don't tell 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.160 whatever you do, don't tell Jade I did it. It 0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:29.160 goes to Mastering. Everybody's at Mastering. They love it, and 0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:32.520 then the record is like after master and I'm just like, yo, Jay, 0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:35.040 how you like shit is fired? Who's that? Or that's 0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:43.240 the kids I found downstairs later just so that he 0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:47.680 wouldn't be like, fuck was he doing rabbit? So later 0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:51.080 on it comes out okay, clogged it not clogged? Do that, 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:53.760 and he was just like, yo, we told you you 0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:55.880 don't wrap right, and I was like, dog, I wasn't 0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:59.120 trying to wrap you. Guys left me here and he goes, nah, 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:03.840 but it's really good. And then like weeks later, weeks later, 0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:07.040 we got to show at the Apollo. What's crazy is 0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:12.480 when I say we, I mean jay Z, Junie, Myfie 0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.880 and Biggie. So where else are we going to perform 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.840 this song? We at the Apollo. Now I'm just like, 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:25.360 oh shit, I gotta perform so yo, this is my word. 0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:27.320 I'm all the way to the side of the stage 0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:29.520 where almost like I wanted to hide behind the speaker, 0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:31.880 but I'm like jay Z, crowd's going crazy. I start 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:36.760 moving closer to the front of the stage. Drawn I'm 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:41.120 but I'm hype down because I'm talking about my city 0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:49.480 in holem you don't stop, stop, you won't stop. The 0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:53.320 clwd's going banana. Crowd's going bananas. First and last time 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.440 we did finest because I was just like, I'm never 0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:57.960 going on tour with you, motherfucker. I'm never doing this 0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:02.160 ship again. And fortunately they didn't get to be like 0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.280 now you are going and we are doing it because 0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:05.280 my man passed. 0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:08.840 Yeah, I was about to say you never were his 0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:09.760 official DJ. 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:12.200 I was in the very beginning. If you look at 0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:15.640 the first jay Z record, I can't get with that. 0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:16.560 I can't get with that. 0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.280 Right. My name is on the logo, it's jay Z 0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:23.240 Feature of DJ Clark can. That was the name of 0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:25.720 the group back then, jay Z Feature and DJ clark Can't. 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:28.800 But I didn't necessarily care to be featured. I care 0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:31.520 to be making the music and picking the records and 0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:33.840 picking the tracks, and you know I want to do 0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:35.200 I want to do the record making. 0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:41.880 I don't want to ask you about your time with 0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.160 Dana Day Dana Day fan that's the first take I 0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:45.480 ever owned, and. 0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:49.560 Like, straight up that's dope. That's dope. 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:57.640 So yeah, talk about him? What was he like like 0:33:57.800 --> 0:33:59.920 back in you know those days? What was that time? 0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:02.520 And when you're telling the story, he tells, where the 0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:04.080 hell is Herbie? 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:05.160 Oh? 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:05.640 Please? 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:06.200 Yeah? 0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:09.680 How I feel like you're the person that talks to 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:11.719 Herbie like every day in the world. Just don't know 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:12.160 where he is. 0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:14.439 You want to know what's crazy? I wish I could, 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:20.400 because I literally blame him for the reason I produce. 0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:23.880 I blame Molly mal for my style, but I blame 0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:28.640 him for the actual thing happening. Because we used to 0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:30.040 be in the studio all the time and I would 0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:33.120 be looking at these drum machine going I wonder how 0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:35.120 that works. And one day he was just like, oh, 0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:36.960 you can fuck with it. And he didn't come here, 0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:38.759 he was coming to the studio. We were all on 0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:41.920 the studio and he let me sit in the studio 0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:44.520 for like three hours before he came to fuck with 0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:47.360 the machine. And I literally got to learn how to 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:54.520 use it. And the same. Yeah, I literally still make 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:56.680 every single track I've ever made in my life is 0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:57.719 on SP twelve hundred. 0:34:58.320 --> 0:34:59.440 Are you serious? Even now? 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.360 I'm dead serious. It's the center of my studio. 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:04.960 Have you used the updated version yet? 0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:09.080 No? And I the reason why I won't probably is 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:12.279 because I think he's the price is just robbery. The 0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:15.359 price is, dude, is like five thousand dollars for twelve 0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:18.040 And I'm just like dog, I did not know that. Yes, 0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:20.279 like I'm dog, it's a ST twelve hundred like it. 0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.200 I understand you got a couple of updates, make it 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:24.839 twenty five hundred. You know what I'm saying? 0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:25.640 Like, do that? 0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.760 Do three thousand even if you have to for five grand? 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:31.600 Four or five grand now and and a lot, and 0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:34.680 trust me in my heart, I'm like, I want it 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:38.840 because it's a twelve hundred. But I got originals, so 0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:41.680 I guess I'm cool. It's just that the maintenance can 0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:42.240 be something. 0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:44.080 But yeah, I was going to ask, how do you 0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:44.960 keep them maintained? 0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:47.960 Because you you you take it to somebody who can 0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:50.400 clean it and make sure every button and every screen 0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:53.360 and everything works. And you know, I'd rather do the 0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:56.920 maintenance than I have to go giving somebody five grand. Respectfully, 0:35:57.080 --> 0:35:57.400 you know what I. 0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:00.239 Just Steve, I'm surprised you don't have a DMZ little 0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:08.600 floppy disc joke. Well I guess I don't. Well wait, 0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:10.759 if you still make it, how do you are they 0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:12.400 still manufacturing floppy discs. 0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:15.880 So when I was young and I started seeing other 0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:18.560 machines coming up, I surplus those this. 0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:24.160 You're like Neil Neil Young. When Neil Young found out 0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:28.680 like the first round of Ampex two inch tapes were 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:31.200 about to be out of business, he went and. 0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:32.560 Damn near, I did that too. 0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:38.880 I see. Wait before you answer Fante's question, wait. 0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:40.359 Wait, hold on, I want to go back and say 0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:43.200 I wish I could speak to Herbie all the time, 0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:45.040 just so I could be like, yo, thank you. You 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:46.920 know what I'm saying. But I don't speak to him. 0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:50.359 I wish I could. I know, I believe Dana does, 0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:54.200 but and I speak to Dana, so maybe I'll just 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:56.120 ask him, can you get me in touch with Herbie? 0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:58.000 But like I would just love to say thank you. 0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:01.200 And I never let it go unmentioned that he's the 0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.480 reason that I actually bang on a machine first, and 0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:06.959 then I would be in Mally's crib and that's when. 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:11.000 I was just like, oh, so you went to the 0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:12.000 Marley House of Hits. 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:14.440 I used to be in the projects because me and 0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:17.200 hot Day. Hot Day is from Queensbridge. We used to 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:20.480 DJ together a lot and me, Molly and hot Day 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:22.360 used to play the same club once a week. We 0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:25.239 used to play USA skating rink, so we knew each other. 0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:27.120 But like I'm talking, like since I was a kid, 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:29.120 I was in Mally's prib. You know what I'm saying, 0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:31.799 Because that's the reason why when Molly did his own show, 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:34.000 he came and got being being peaked. He was like 0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:35.560 Pete was the young guy, but I'm the guy that 0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:39.840 he's known for forever to be his DJs know what 0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:43.520 I'm saying. So but yes, Molly is the reason I 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:45.759 make beats the way I make them. But the reason 0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:47.839 I make beats in the first place is Herbie Low 0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:50.200 because he gave me a moment in the studio and 0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:52.640 he came and he heard shit, and he was like, nah, 0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:54.839 that's good. No, that's good. Yo, Wait a minute, that's good. 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:57.160 Hold on, that's good, you know, saying where'd you get 0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.120 that sample? You know what I'm saying. I would give 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.439 them samples and shit like that. But if it wasn't 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:05.480 for Herbie, I'm not sure I ever Well, maybe I 0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:07.120 would have, but I don't know if it would have 0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.880 happened then. So, like, I never got to make anything 0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:12.000 on the Dana albums, but those were the times when 0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.200 I was learning how to make peace. 0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:15.400 Did you tour with him? 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:19.200 Oh? I was. I was Dana's toy DJ. We went 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:23.359 on at least three tours for one two Yeah, yeah, 0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:28.239 I was solding. But yeah, it's funny because in that time, 0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:30.759 the name of the whole crew was called Idle Make 0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:35.360 because it was Kidd and Play, Kwame, Salt Pepper and 0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:37.799 Dana Dane and there was a couple of other groups. 0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:40.320 So it would be times when I would DJ for 0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:42.880 Salt Pepper, it would be times that I would DJ 0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:45.880 for Kidding Play because we were just the crew and 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:47.399 if we if I was there and they were there 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:49.600 and they didn't have to and whiz wasn't it with 0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:51.680 the records on the phone because we're the crew. So 0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:55.279 but my main, my main job was was Dana Day. 0:38:55.400 --> 0:39:00.160 And I think what what made working with him so 0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:04.959 perfect was he allowed me to help him make the show. 0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:08.320 So it wasn't like all his idea dictatorship and just 0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:10.920 play what I say. It was like what should we do? 0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:13.480 And that's that's what made me. Indeed, me and Biggie 0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:15.320 work so perfectly. He walked in, he was like, I 0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:16.800 don't know how to do this ship, tell. 0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:19.719 Me what to do. Does that mean you never had 0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:21.480 to negotiate your rates because I was just sitting here 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.480 thinking like us run in a New time in that way? 0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:28.000 Yeah? Yeah, I mean, how do you even figure out? 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:29.200 How you even figured that out? 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:33.200 And now when when Dana and I started to work together, 0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:35.839 I don't, I don't. I hope this doesn't sound a way, 0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:38.399 But I was already being DJ Clark in New York City. 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:40.919 I was already playing all of the clubs and being 0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:44.920 one of the most work DJs. So when we got together, 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:47.960 it was just like, oh, he can make this better. 0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:51.160 You know, when we work together, I made it better. 0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:53.680 And to you, the music directed in in a way 0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:55.080 it's beyond right. 0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:59.880 Like our first show together was at the rooftop, and 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:03.239 and walking into the rooftop as many people who was going, 0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:06.080 oh Ship day to day, Like there was as many 0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:10.040 people going yo Clark Kennedy because I played the rooftop 0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:12.480 with bruceie b a bunch of times. So they were like, Oh, 0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:14.880 this nigga is about to get on the set. Not 0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:17.719 the way that you think we're gonna do this. I'm 0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:19.719 gonna be DJing for day to day. And we killed 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:22.520 shit because his records was on fire, you know. So 0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:26.560 but the first time I ever did DJ form for 0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:29.839 real was at Washington Irvan High School. It was at 0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:33.759 a talent contest and he was the act. And this 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:36.400 record might have been like three weeks old. And he 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.640 comes in, but the records flaming in the street, you 0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:41.200 know what I'm saying. And he comes in and he 0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:48.560 does the Ship and motherfuck first song nightmarees went crazy immediately. 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:52.239 So three weeks later, he's the guest at Washington Irban 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:54.279 High School. My sister was a student there, and I 0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:57.799 was just like, oh Ship. So he's just like, Yo, 0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:00.520 can you drop this record for me? And I was like, okay, cool. 0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:02.759 I didn't think it was gonna be much, but in 0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:04.640 my mind, when I'm hearing a rap, I'm like, I'm 0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:06.600 gonna pull it out here. Let me pull it out here. 0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:08.759 He came over and then he was like, no, how 0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:10.400 did you know to do that? And I was just like, well, 0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:13.239 I just felt, you know, musically, I felt where you 0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:15.279 were going and where where the drop should be. And 0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:18.080 he was just like okay cool. And he had a DJ, 0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:21.840 so times was coming and he got a couple of shows, 0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:24.520 and like his DJ would would not show up at 0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:26.560 certain things. So one time he just was like, Yo, 0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:30.439 would you be my DJ? And I was like, let's 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:32.600 figure it out. And he came to my crib and 0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:35.400 we sat there for hours working on a show, and 0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:40.040 he entrusted me and to me because I care so 0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:42.960 much about the music, Like I was just like, I 0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.080 want this to be like an amazing show for you, 0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:47.080 so that when they walk away, they go, this was 0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:50.440 great to see. It was entertaining in it, you know. 0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:53.160 So that's what that was the that was the mission 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:56.120 for for Daney Dane was to make sure that his 0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:56.920 show was awesome. 0:41:57.239 --> 0:41:58.839 And I just want to say the reason I asked 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:00.680 that question, and I was just asking about it because 0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:03.399 it feels like this style of DJ and and all 0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:06.719 of this art that it takes is not necessarily translated 0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:10.440 into what people see these days as a DJ on 0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:11.760 stage and live performance. 0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:15.560 So just mak Yeah, Well, the DJs on stage nowadays 0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:20.640 aren't necessarily DJing. They're they're standing up there within a 0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:26.040 a piece of a piece of performance that's happening, and 0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:32.359 they're just doing there there there look like. And if 0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:35.200 they are doing some DJ and they're basically just dropping records. 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:36.920 They're not like switching beats in the middle of the 0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:40.520 songs live. They're not on turntables making it work and 0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:44.279 figuring out how yo if if if the crowd doesn't 0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:46.279 go crazy, you gotta figure something else out on the fly, 0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.319 you know, And they're not they're not doing that. Let 0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:51.719 me just say this, there wasn't no dats when we 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:53.400 were when we were doing it, and There wasn't no 0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:59.080 instant replace. It was you had instrumental records and you 0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:01.719 had to make it work. There was no there was 0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:03.480 no rapping to your vocals back then. 0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:10.520 I've seen ll and Rock and few others. Well, I 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.160 now know why dub mixes were always on the B 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:16.719 side like rock King would have. I came and the 0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.759 team fight me fighting be like then, I was like, oh, 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:25.640 that helps you on stage basically TV track. However, I 0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:29.920 have a question during your tenure with Data and Dame. 0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:32.719 Which was which was has there hold on home? I 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:34.440 didn't need to say that was some of the best 0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:37.960 times for me because I learned so many things at 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:38.399 that time. 0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:43.440 I have a question, is at any point was there 0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:48.040 talk of like, I don't know who the other two 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:49.600 members of the Kangol Crew was. 0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:54.880 Oh Lance and Omega. They were amazing, So. 0:43:55.840 --> 0:44:01.239 Was there ever talk of them wing something together? Like 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:04.960 I know that I still no one still answered with 0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:09.319 with gave me give me a straight answer on why 0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:13.200 it took slick Rick four years to go from Lottie 0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:16.600 Dotty to Great Adventures. But you know, at the time 0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:20.600 when Dana Dane comes out, at least in Philadelphia, a 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:23.640 lot of us thought that was slick Rick, you know, 0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:29.520 because he had like that's that snaggle Puss flow And yeah, 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:31.000 I knew they were in the same crew. 0:44:31.400 --> 0:44:34.840 But okay, do you. 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:35.799 Remember snagger Puss. 0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:37.839 I'm older than you dogs. 0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:40.319 No, no, no, I don't mean the cartoon. I meant 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:42.000 the actual. 0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:47.759 Remember, right, everyone? He actually had bars. 0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:54.040 Yes, he yeah, and so. But just during your period 0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:59.160 with Dana Dayane, was there ever was slick Rick? Did 0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:02.520 you have any slick excitings between nineteen eighty five? Of 0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:06.520 course in nineteen eighty like post Lottie Dottie eighty five. 0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:11.880 Like absolutely, because like I knew slick Rick, like before 0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:15.040 the show came out, you know what I'm saying. Like 0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:18.400 me and Doug were friends since we like seventeen, so 0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:20.840 I knew. I knew Get Fresh crew, haven'ty and you 0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:22.680 if you asked Chill, will and Barry we were all 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:25.880 teenagers when we met each other, and we were so. 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:28.200 No one ever had the conversation like, yo, slick Rick, 0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:30.240 Dana Dane, do we join together? 0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:32.520 It was actually it should have been done, but Herbie 0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:34.719 was trying to get the Kano crew together. He had 0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:37.200 Lance and Omega and Dana Dane and we were trying 0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:40.239 to wrangle Slick Rick at the same time. But Rick 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:43.640 was getting his shit together for what would be one 0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:44.839 of the greatest rap albums ever. 0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:45.440 Adventures. 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:49.000 Ah, okay, all right, great event. 0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:53.800 Great adventure is a bar, like if you tell stories, 0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:55.520 you should be trying to tell stories better than that. 0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:57.840 It's an impossible bar, right, which is which. 0:45:57.719 --> 0:45:59.800 Makes it amazing. So that makes it really something that 0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:02.120 sho Now. 0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:05.360 I know in Philadelphia is you got to know somebody 0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:08.000 that has a station wagon or a van or mini 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.600 van to really make it happen. But as a New Yorker, 0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:18.520 how does one be an effective DJ on the train? Yeah? 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:22.000 Or just like walk me through, Like what year was 0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:24.040 it that you were like, okay, I'll do your black 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:28.440 party and that's not your own neighborhood. 0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:36.399 In nineteen seventy six, seventy yeah, six or seventy six. 0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:39.880 I was No. Seventy seven. While in the summer seventy 0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:44.759 seven I was I was eleven and I played at 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:49.520 at a Grand Master Flowers was DJing and Lincoln Terrace 0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:52.480 Park and everybody was like, yo, you know that's the 0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:54.200 young DJ from up the street. You know that's the 0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:56.799 young boy that DJ's from up the street and they 0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.120 keep telling him. He's like where. He's like, come on back, 0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:01.399 come on back, and he goes, you want to play 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:05.440 some records? And I was like, yes, you know what 0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:07.399 I'm saying, like not a not an ounce of fair. 0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:11.000 So I just start. He's like, yo, well pick out 0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:13.080 a record you want to play. I'm in his records. 0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:15.480 I'll pick out like forty records. He's looking at me 0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:19.239 like he's looking at me like you know these. I 0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:22.759 was like absolutely, he going, I shure he give it 0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:25.680 a shot. By the end of it of like thirty 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:28.240 five forty minutes, he was like, oh no, he's serious. 0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:30.880 And you know, he was like, yo, you did a 0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:33.400 really good job. And everybody was like yoh yeah, and 0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:36.040 understanding when Lincoln Tervice Park is be hinndred people and 0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:39.520 usually people get dead at Lincoln Service Park. So as 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:41.960 soon as I got off and he told me what 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:44.200 he was saying, He's like, yo, man, you got something 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:46.160 and you're really good, keep up, keep up at it, 0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:49.160 and you sounded very good. I was just like, okay, cool. 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:51.440 So I left. I went home and I went right 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:53.080 to my grandmother and I was like, I'm going to 0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:55.640 DJ for the rest of my life. And she said, 0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:57.680 as long as you finish school, you can do it. 0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:00.440 And I was like, okay, back, I got a fit school, 0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:03.160 but I'm going DJ all the way through it. But 0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:05.520 the first time I played, I played a black a 0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:09.640 block party with I was I was on somebody else's equipment, 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.320 but I was playing the block party. I think I 0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:16.960 was like twelve and it was and I put a 0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:18.320 hole in it because. 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:21.279 I know, what is one of the times that you 0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:25.279 bombed a party? Like what is bombing for a clock? 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.120 Can't look like it hasn't happened yet. Let me knock 0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:28.680 on some wood. 0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:32.640 No, no, no, it's not that. 0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:35.600 It's just that I put so much pressure on myself 0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:39.320 to make sure that it doesn't happen that it just 0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:42.200 hasn't happened. I'm not saying it can't happen. 0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:45.040 So it's like my sixteen year old was like, hey, 0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:47.439 come play my party like you can. You can play 0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:48.360 for that crowd. 0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:53.279 Absolutely, okay, no, no, no. I just played for the 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:55.360 New York Giants yesterday and all of them are in 0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:58.080 their early twenties and they listened to so they listened 0:48:58.080 --> 0:48:59.920 to sixteen year old music. All of them were on 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:02.080 on the on the on the on the field like 0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:08.279 I like drill music, I like I like these, I 0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:10.799 like I love Young Thug, I love Dirk, I love 0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:11.480 I love these. 0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:13.200 You gotta love it to play it like that. 0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:17.640 The difference is me. I don't love DJing. I love 0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:21.000 music music, so I can appreciate all of it. I 0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:24.480 understand why certain things won't make sense to some, but 0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:26.120 I don't look at it for that. I look at 0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:29.640 it for is the record good. It's the record good. 0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:31.600 If the record's good, I'm gonna play the records. I'm 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.160 gonna play the good records. And that's all I think. 0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:36.040 I don't care what kind of music it is. If 0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:38.480 I if I can't understand the energy of it and 0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:41.120 it doesn't get played. But when I do like, I'm 0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:46.400 going for it because I literally love the music itself. 0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:50.759 It's much much more important than DJing. But I guess 0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:54.399 that's the actual part that makes me a really, really 0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:55.919 a very good DJ. 0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.319 All right, So you live in a life of yes. 0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:02.000 So that said, a life of yes. 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:07.480 We did an episode with with DJ Drama where everything 0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:11.080 was a yes, yes, and a lot of those things 0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:13.320 I would say hell. No, no, no, no, no no. 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:17.000 I don't mean yes. But just like you know, if 0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:19.960 I'm done a gig, I want to go home immediately 0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:23.760 he gets done a gig and then an unknown TI 0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:27.560 is you know, chasing him to the car. You're our rhyme. Okay, 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:30.440 give me a number, here's my number, come to my basement. 0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:32.359 That's what Drama was talking about. 0:50:32.600 --> 0:50:33.560 I would have missed that. 0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:36.719 Okay, think about this. If I don't listen, I don't 0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:41.520 hear holes. Well, I don't. If I don't listen, my 0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:45.439 cousin Foxy. If I don't listen. If I don't listen, 0:50:45.840 --> 0:50:48.719 I'm not the first person to work with Kim. If 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:51.560 I don't listen, I don't have skills in my house 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:55.000 before any battles. You know what I'm saying. If I 0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:58.759 don't listen, I miss it. If I don't listen, I 0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:01.040 don't know the records. If if I don't listen, I 0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:04.640 can bomb at a club. I come from the context 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:07.640 for the DJing, and because I come from that era, 0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:11.480 I look at every single gig like it's the last 0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:16.640 one some kid wants to spot. My question, is am 0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:19.480 I giving it to you? You're bugging you gotta take it. 0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:21.320 And if you try to come up against me in 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:26.319 a club, you gonna lose. So if I bomb, it's 0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:27.960 going to be because no one else was there to 0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:32.120 edge me on. And I just was like, fuck it, 0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:34.040 you know what I'm saying, Like, if there's ten people, 0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:36.080 those ten people are going to walk away going. I 0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:39.120 don't know who that DJ was, but you know what 0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:41.440 I mean. Patty Olebell went on TV talking about how 0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:45.400 Clock can't rock her at a party, but I'm sorry, 0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:48.480 that's of Bell. That's Auntie patty Leabelle like she's my 0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:51.240 mother's age like, and she was like that DJ Clock 0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:52.480 can't was incredible. 0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:55.239 I was like, yes, and that's your rep. Now you 0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:57.359 gotta keep up that, keep going, keep going. 0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:01.279 Imagine because when somebody said my name to recently, she 0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:03.879 was just like, oh my god, that motherfucker. And I'm 0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:07.600 just like, if I don't keep that up, it's over, 0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:11.400 it's over because the chip on my shoulder is ignorant, 0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:13.399 you know what I'm saying. So the one time I bomb, 0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:15.600 it's going to be the last night. Somebody's gonna be 0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:17.960 like never again because they want it so bad for 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:18.319 me to. 0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:26.800 Borrow, right, all Right, let's go to when you're fourteen fifteen, 0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:29.920 when you're like, got some years and and whatnot. So 0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:32.440 this is what I want to know. I mean, in 0:52:32.560 --> 0:52:35.280 twenty twenty two now, especially in the world of Serrado, 0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:39.840 probably the biggest problem that we have as DJs is 0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:44.160 that it's too much information, way too many options. I now. 0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:48.479 I mean, I have a MacBook Pro that can hold 0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:55.719 about four terror bytes of music, and so for me 0:52:56.040 --> 0:53:00.520 to figure out I mean, on an average, even though 0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:04.719 I prepare for like three hundred songs, usually before a gig, 0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:06.879 I'll have the two hundred that I'm ready to rock 0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:11.840 or whatever. But back in the day when there aren't 0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:13.240 that many records left. 0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:15.879 Before you say that, I'm gonna ask you a question 0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:18.279 and tell me if you believe this. Okay, would you 0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:20.640 believe if I told you I don't go I'm gonna 0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:21.719 prepare this? 0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:26.359 Oh, I absolutely believe. I believe I'm only human being 0:53:26.480 --> 0:53:32.200 that Well, I'll put it this way. I'm preparing for 0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:37.399 the Gold Party next year right now, and I got 0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:41.160 maybe thirty songs that I like that I have to 0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:44.239 play and shit. But that's also like a fault of 0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:48.080 mind that I'm trying to not do something I'm trying 0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:49.680 to be not as calculating. 0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:53.680 Well, well, you should know my creativity. There's plenty of 0:53:53.760 --> 0:53:57.239 people that do that. I just I just can't do it. No. 0:53:57.440 --> 0:54:01.279 I mean that's I believe you. I believe that you 0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:04.680 can be in the moment and know this will work good. Next, 0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:06.120 This will work good next. 0:54:06.600 --> 0:54:10.120 That comes from being a club DJ for my whole life. 0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:14.600 I'm a I'm a club DJ. So I don't. I don't. 0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:15.040 I don't. 0:54:15.120 --> 0:54:17.120 I don't call myself a show DJ. I don't call 0:54:17.160 --> 0:54:19.480 myself a radio DJ. Have I done shows? Can I 0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:21.560 do shows? Yes? Can I do radio? Yes? Can I 0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:23.439 do all of those things? Yes? I never call myself 0:54:23.440 --> 0:54:27.040 a mixta DJ. I'm a club DJ. And because I'm 0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:30.319 a club DJ, like, I really can't prepare. I gotta 0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:33.359 be Oh shit, that's what's happened. Oh let me turn 0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:34.799 this ship into some other ship. 0:54:35.640 --> 0:54:38.480 So you work on the spot, okay, Yeah, and I 0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:38.800 see that. 0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:40.879 I'm gonna tell you where I work from. I work 0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:43.880 from here. It's what my heart's telling me to do 0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:45.239 every time I put a record on. 0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:46.840 Oh so you take requests? 0:54:47.719 --> 0:54:48.600 Never, damn. 0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:50.720 I just want to slide that in but that is guy. 0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:54.759 Let me amend that. Okay. Person I will actually pay 0:54:54.800 --> 0:54:57.719 attention to about about a request is my wife. 0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:02.959 Okay, but she probably don't, don't She don't. 0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:05.600 But the other part is if she does, she's so 0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:08.320 in tune to where my mind is musically, it's almost 0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:11.560 like I can go for the suggestion that's a good one, 0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:15.000 you know what I'm saying. And it's because she's been 0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:17.839 around me for so long playing like she can damn 0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:21.000 near tell this might work for him as well work 0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:21.320 for me. 0:55:21.640 --> 0:55:26.359 No more, rabbitble. Walk me through DJing in your formative years, 0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:30.920 Like how many records do you feel is needed for? 0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:33.720 First of all? How long are DJ gigs? 0:55:34.440 --> 0:55:38.360 No less than six hours? Like? No less? Because I 0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:40.600 was playing a club around the corner from my crib 0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:42.960 when I was fourteen, and that's when I learned how 0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:46.320 old how long you gotta play? And that night I 0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:50.320 had like six Crates records. Every night after that I 0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:52.120 played there, I would have like twelve. 0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:54.800 Se going through all them. Or do you have to 0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:57.040 repeat brick House four times already? 0:55:57.239 --> 0:56:00.600 Or no? Never? That's another thing. I don't don't repeat 0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:03.000 records in a party. I can't do it. I don't 0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:05.520 even understand. It's too there's too much music in the 0:56:05.560 --> 0:56:08.080 world to do that. He said, it's too must music 0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:11.520 your quest. Here's something else. I never played slide, I 0:56:11.600 --> 0:56:13.400 never played line records. 0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:15.680 I told you that. 0:56:18.000 --> 0:56:20.040 Records and I play and I play. 0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:23.000 That means you never did You never did a wedding. 0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:25.759 No, I've done weddings. That just I just tell them 0:56:25.800 --> 0:56:26.320 I'm not doing it. 0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:30.720 Not a no electric slide, none of that, no dance. 0:56:31.239 --> 0:56:32.760 If you got if you got to do a record 0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:35.160 like that, that means that means you can't make them dance. 0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:37.120 The gag gets to make them not even remember that 0:56:37.200 --> 0:56:38.360 they didn't even hit them records. 0:56:38.400 --> 0:56:42.239 You're right, and and and it's so many records that 0:56:42.360 --> 0:56:44.759 people do the electric slide to. Why do I have 0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:48.560 to play? Right? Come on, I don't have to tell 0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:50.279 you to do the dance. If you want to do 0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:51.480 what you want to do it, you're gonna find a 0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:53.239 record to do it, and they will do it. If 0:56:53.239 --> 0:56:54.919 they want to do it, they'll do it to damn 0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:55.440 day anything. 0:56:56.400 --> 0:56:59.520 How does the format for the originals work when the 0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:04.520 five of you, y'all have eclectic taste, but you guys 0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:09.399 are also kind of left the center of that. Yeah, 0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:11.240 I mean, how do you how do you guys decide? 0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:15.920 Because rich too, and especially in times of like when 0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:20.840 you guys do your your your gigs, like is it 0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:23.919 just like all right, you do three records, I'm gonna 0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:26.200 do three records. You do three records, I'm gonna do three. 0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:28.080 How is what's the format? 0:57:28.480 --> 0:57:30.720 The format is set up already. It's half an hour 0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:33.400 each and we keep rotating the half hours. If it's 0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:34.800 only three, then it's just going to be an hour 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:36.280 and a half, and then there's then I'm back for 0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:37.600 an hour and a half and I'm back hour and 0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:39.840 a half. If it's four, then it's two hours and 0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:41.160 I'm back two hours. You know what I'm saying. So 0:57:41.200 --> 0:57:44.080 if it's all five of us throughout the night, you'll 0:57:44.120 --> 0:57:48.960 hear everybody twice because it's half hour sets, and no 0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:51.680 matter how many people is there, the idea of the 0:57:51.760 --> 0:57:54.920 Originals is five DJs who are friends, who really care 0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:57.400 about each other, who just want to have fun. So 0:57:57.520 --> 0:57:59.840 whether we're all there or not, we're just gonna make 0:57:59.840 --> 0:58:01.000 sure at the nightest one. 0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:04.600 Y'all killed it during COVID. I appreciate that when y'all 0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:05.439 will give us the love. 0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:10.560 I feel like a big part of your your greatness 0:58:11.680 --> 0:58:15.240 is kind of your social skills. When did you learn 0:58:17.840 --> 0:58:25.680 the power of meeting people, a kind of making connections, 0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:28.520 that sort of thing, Because I mean, you're also known 0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:32.960 as the man who knows everyone. There's literally no one 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:38.240 I can stump you on in terms of a notable 0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:42.480 figure in history that you're not in contact with, So like, 0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:46.960 at what point are you taking an extra step to 0:58:48.280 --> 0:58:50.360 get to know this person? Take this person's card, and 0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:54.640 what they would call making moves politic. 0:58:55.120 --> 0:58:57.600 Literally, it's about what I respect the person that I'm 0:58:57.640 --> 0:59:01.080 being and if I do, then I feel like we 0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:03.720 can have a real conversation. And then most times I'm 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:07.440 having a conversation on the spot, and that lets me 0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:09.760 know whether it can be something else or now whether 0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:11.520 it was yo, make sure you call me h yo. 0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:13.760 Let's let's set up me in and I let it 0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:18.960 be on them, because you know, like, I'm not I'm 0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:22.280 not pressing anybody to do things with me. I'm just like, 0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:24.480 maybe we can do some cool shit. And if we 0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:26.120 can do some cool shit, then cool, we'll do it. 0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:29.080 But I leave it up to them and I let 0:59:29.640 --> 0:59:32.640 my track records speak for everything that I'm doing. So 0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:34.960 like when I meet somebody from a shoe company, like, 0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:36.360 I'm not going to sit there and be like, oh, 0:59:36.400 --> 0:59:38.360 I did this many projects. I'm just like, how you doing? 0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:42.040 Nice to meet you, But maybe we could figure something 0:59:42.040 --> 0:59:44.280 out and I let it move that way and let 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:47.600 the person decide whether they should or they shouldn't. And 0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:50.320 if they don't really know everything and they start doing 0:59:50.400 --> 0:59:53.840 the history, maybe they'll walk away going, oh, I definitely got. 0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:54.400 To do something. 0:59:55.160 --> 0:59:57.240 I mean and that and that. That goes across everything. 0:59:57.280 --> 0:59:59.720 It goes across music, it goes across sneakers, it goes 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:02.920 us everything. Like like one of the first things I 1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:04.760 do when I meet a new rapper is I ask 1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:07.760 them about records. Like I'm talking like in the first 1:00:07.840 --> 1:00:10.680 three minutes, I'm like, yo, have you ever heard America's 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:13.680 Most Wanted? If you tell if you're telling me you 1:00:13.800 --> 1:00:15.480 make an album, it's a classic to me, you have 1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:17.960 to know what classic st ACKs. So have you America's 1:00:18.000 --> 1:00:22.520 Most Wanted? Well? Okay, cool, when you do understand what 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:25.880 that is, how at me? But when you don't, you 1:00:26.000 --> 1:00:29.200 really can't talk to me about no rap. You can't 1:00:29.200 --> 1:00:30.520 talk to me about rap if you don't know what 1:00:30.680 --> 1:00:32.560 the greatest advents is. If you can't, if you can't 1:00:32.560 --> 1:00:35.520 tell me what it takes a nation of millions, if 1:00:35.560 --> 1:00:39.160 you can't tell me low end theory like dog, you 1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:42.520 can't Yo. There's there's so many rappers that are making 1:00:42.800 --> 1:00:47.280 records right now that think Reverend run is a freaking reverend. Yeah, 1:00:47.400 --> 1:00:47.800 and that's it. 1:00:48.200 --> 1:00:48.560 That's all. 1:00:48.640 --> 1:00:50.400 But I blame I blame us for that. 1:00:50.840 --> 1:00:53.440 I am in total agreeings. We have a culture that 1:00:53.520 --> 1:00:58.880 doesn't cultivate itself facts, so so I expect these things. 1:00:58.960 --> 1:01:00.880 But when you come to me talking about you and 1:01:01.040 --> 1:01:03.480 MC and all of that, if you say you an 1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:05.560 m C and not a rapper, oh well you got 1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:08.520 to know MC ship. I'm going to ask you about 1:01:08.640 --> 1:01:11.480 MC ship. And then if you were a rapper, I'm 1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:14.040 asking about rapper ship, you know. Like, but if you can't, 1:01:14.680 --> 1:01:17.680 I'm just like, yeah, when you do, I'll mm hmm. 1:01:18.200 --> 1:01:25.280 What was your first non DJing for notable MC figure 1:01:26.640 --> 1:01:31.120 job in the industry, like your first Clark Kent as 1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:32.680 a and R Clark Kent. 1:01:32.640 --> 1:01:35.160 As Yeah, I was I was an r at Uh. 1:01:35.840 --> 1:01:37.880 It's funny because I was an R at Epic Records 1:01:37.960 --> 1:01:38.959 for like two days. 1:01:39.960 --> 1:01:42.480 Oh period. 1:01:43.360 --> 1:01:45.520 Oh my god, this is right before I went to Atlantic. 1:01:45.600 --> 1:01:46.040 So this is. 1:01:48.280 --> 1:01:48.960 No stop that. 1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:53.040 I didn't do that. 1:01:53.160 --> 1:01:59.160 No, Hansole was very crucial to He paid it for it. Okay, ok, 1:01:59.360 --> 1:02:04.000 very quickly. No, but you worked at what period? Did 1:02:04.040 --> 1:02:04.720 you work at Epic? 1:02:05.640 --> 1:02:09.600 It was eighty nine. So one day Timmy calls me. 1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:12.240 He was like, Yo, I'm about to send you to 1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:14.560 send you to Epic Record. You're gonna go work over there. 1:02:15.080 --> 1:02:17.000 And I was like what. He was like, Yeah, You're 1:02:17.000 --> 1:02:19.200 gonna go do an R And I was like, fuck 1:02:19.280 --> 1:02:19.720 is A and R? 1:02:20.560 --> 1:02:20.720 You go? 1:02:21.800 --> 1:02:23.520 You're gonna be looking for new artists and trying to 1:02:23.520 --> 1:02:25.520 sign new artists. I was like, oh shit, they're gonna 1:02:25.520 --> 1:02:27.760 pay you this much. I was like what. I was like, 1:02:28.040 --> 1:02:32.680 bet I gotta run the streets chasing chasing it anymore 1:02:32.800 --> 1:02:35.040 like I. And then like when I got into the 1:02:35.080 --> 1:02:37.120 first meeting, I was like, can I still DJ clubs? 1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:39.160 Is that okay? And they were like, we definitely want 1:02:39.200 --> 1:02:41.120 you to DJ. I definitely want you to stay on 1:02:41.160 --> 1:02:42.320 the radio. We definitely want you. 1:02:42.360 --> 1:02:44.000 To definitely want you to stay on radio. 1:02:44.600 --> 1:02:47.000 We definitely want you to have your pulse on everything. 1:02:47.360 --> 1:02:51.240 So two days go by. On the third day, Timmy 1:02:51.280 --> 1:02:53.200 calls me. He was like, okay, pack of shit, you're 1:02:53.200 --> 1:02:57.640 gonna quit. And I'm like, what what did you talking about? 1:02:58.040 --> 1:03:00.120 You just sent me here. This is your man that 1:03:00.160 --> 1:03:02.960 I'm working with, Like, what are you doing? Like, he goes, 1:03:02.960 --> 1:03:05.760 you're gonna quit, You're gonna go work with Merlin And 1:03:05.840 --> 1:03:10.400 I was like, what that? Because he's my man? And 1:03:10.560 --> 1:03:13.760 he walks me into Silvia Rohan's office and then I 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:17.480 met my mother in the music business. Wow, and what 1:03:17.600 --> 1:03:22.840 he uses ninety She gave me an education? What was that? 1:03:22.920 --> 1:03:24.120 What was some of the jews she gave you? 1:03:26.360 --> 1:03:26.520 Why? 1:03:26.640 --> 1:03:26.720 Now? 1:03:27.480 --> 1:03:33.720 What what she gave me was about understanding what we're 1:03:33.800 --> 1:03:37.960 trying to pick, what we're trying to do musically, and 1:03:38.480 --> 1:03:41.480 how the deals work, and how the business works, and 1:03:41.720 --> 1:03:44.320 and all of the ugliness of it. And she kept 1:03:44.360 --> 1:03:47.080 it funky boy, like this is ugly, but this is this, 1:03:47.760 --> 1:03:50.080 you know what I mean? Like, we don't have to 1:03:50.160 --> 1:03:52.880 tell an artist to go figure out your business. The 1:03:53.000 --> 1:03:54.680 artist should be trying to figure out hiss. And the 1:03:54.760 --> 1:03:56.880 reason why she said it like that was because it's 1:03:57.320 --> 1:04:02.640 super duper clear, it's not the music. It's the music business. 1:04:02.920 --> 1:04:05.040 So just because you know the music doesn't mean you 1:04:05.200 --> 1:04:07.200 hear properly. That means you got to go figure out 1:04:07.200 --> 1:04:09.040 the business. So when you get in it, you got 1:04:09.080 --> 1:04:11.520 something with you so that you can go, I'm not 1:04:11.600 --> 1:04:14.760 taking that deal. And your lawyer is nine times out 1:04:14.800 --> 1:04:16.720 of ten a friend with the lawyer at the company, 1:04:16.840 --> 1:04:19.920 So you gotta have your lawyer working for you instead 1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:22.120 of working to make those deals happen so he can 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:22.680 get people. 1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:24.960 Don't you think that's a little unfair to expect that 1:04:25.160 --> 1:04:29.600 of people who have no fucking clue of any of this. 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:33.360 Like you know, someone who can have a talent and say, okay, 1:04:33.400 --> 1:04:35.320 you're a great rapper, sing or whatever. 1:04:35.760 --> 1:04:37.520 Guess what you're right. So you know what I did 1:04:37.600 --> 1:04:40.840 to every artist that came to the office. I told him, 1:04:41.120 --> 1:04:44.200 please learn the business. Whether I'm giving you a deal 1:04:44.320 --> 1:04:46.960 or not, please learn the business so this don't happen. 1:04:47.080 --> 1:04:47.880 Let me tell you about this. 1:04:47.960 --> 1:04:50.800 Let me pass a passing book, or I'm just joking. 1:04:50.840 --> 1:04:51.800 It's not yourlity. 1:04:51.880 --> 1:04:54.280 But all that I told him about I told him 1:04:54.280 --> 1:04:56.840 about those two books. Every single artist that came to me, 1:04:56.880 --> 1:04:58.640 whether I liked them or I didn't I was like, 1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:01.840 learn the business because it's gonna be terrible. That's the 1:05:01.880 --> 1:05:05.080 reason my Dame's Damon Dasher's deals were good because I'm 1:05:05.080 --> 1:05:07.200 sitting in the office going, I'm about to give you 1:05:07.240 --> 1:05:10.400 a deal, but you need to go do this so 1:05:10.520 --> 1:05:12.600 that your deal can be back. Really, you know what 1:05:12.600 --> 1:05:15.960 I'm saying. Understanding there is not an artist player for 1:05:16.080 --> 1:05:19.160 the other team. No I played. I looked at it 1:05:19.240 --> 1:05:22.600 like I'm an artist and if I'm going to be 1:05:22.680 --> 1:05:25.320 producing some of you getting jerked up is me jerking 1:05:25.400 --> 1:05:27.960 myself up. So let me make sure you don't get 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:29.400 jerked up. So it goes right. 1:05:31.480 --> 1:05:34.400 Just in that period, you know, especially in nineteen ninety 1:05:34.520 --> 1:05:37.000 New York, man, it was like. 1:05:38.520 --> 1:05:39.040 It was it was. 1:05:39.240 --> 1:05:41.560 It was the gold Rust, the Wild West. And you know, 1:05:42.160 --> 1:05:46.480 I know that Dante is getting numbers on the boards 1:05:46.560 --> 1:05:51.200 for like the acts that he signed, But for you one, 1:05:51.280 --> 1:05:54.640 can you talk about near misses of acts that you 1:05:54.760 --> 1:05:58.480 tried to sign, that that you close put the cigar 1:05:58.720 --> 1:06:02.400 acts that you had and what is the process of 1:06:02.600 --> 1:06:07.680 you trying to get an act? Like are you the 1:06:07.760 --> 1:06:09.800 sports agent that has to go to their crib. 1:06:09.680 --> 1:06:12.959 And like, yo, do you want the answer to that? First. 1:06:13.120 --> 1:06:16.360 The first things first, I never really had to go 1:06:16.480 --> 1:06:19.919 to an artist's crib because again I was already being 1:06:20.040 --> 1:06:22.560 DJ Clode Cancer. They were coming to my office and 1:06:22.680 --> 1:06:24.880 if I like them, I'm trying to sign them. So 1:06:26.560 --> 1:06:30.240 I had nas before anybody. Like as soon as I 1:06:30.320 --> 1:06:32.280 heard the barbecue, I called Oconelly. I was like, bring 1:06:32.360 --> 1:06:33.760 him to my office because I was working on a 1:06:33.800 --> 1:06:35.800 deal between It was I was working on a deal 1:06:35.840 --> 1:06:37.880 for Ocinelly, where I had a bidding war with with 1:06:38.000 --> 1:06:41.040 Jimmy Ivan, and of course I'm just a director of 1:06:41.400 --> 1:06:44.280 and I'm not a vice president. Jimmy Ivan won that 1:06:44.400 --> 1:06:48.840 war easily, but Cockinelly and lost refessor on my man's 1:06:48.880 --> 1:06:51.280 I was like, who's that kid on the barbecue or 1:06:51.320 --> 1:06:55.720 that's not bring them? And I probably wasn't clear because 1:06:55.720 --> 1:06:57.560 I was like, bring him and bring his demo. When 1:06:57.600 --> 1:07:01.040 he came out in front of me, it's me and 1:07:01.160 --> 1:07:02.919 him and Acnelli, I was like, you'll give me a demo. 1:07:03.000 --> 1:07:05.680 He's like, I don't have a demo. I was like 1:07:07.000 --> 1:07:10.520 what after that, you ain't got a demo? Like that's 1:07:10.640 --> 1:07:12.760 going through my mind and I was just like so 1:07:12.880 --> 1:07:14.280 I had to say to him. I was like, yo, 1:07:16.840 --> 1:07:19.360 I'm not a vice president, like I'm not the president. 1:07:19.520 --> 1:07:21.840 I'm a director. When I bring something, I gotta show 1:07:21.920 --> 1:07:25.240 him the music. So like you know, like Oconelly had 1:07:25.280 --> 1:07:27.240 a bunch of songs. I was, I was walking it 1:07:27.320 --> 1:07:29.240 through to him. I was like, I gotta, I gotta 1:07:29.280 --> 1:07:31.000 play the music to get to try to get to 1:07:31.120 --> 1:07:34.800 that point. And and I said, you know, we just 1:07:34.880 --> 1:07:38.200 signed Effects. They had damn near our whole album done. 1:07:38.360 --> 1:07:42.960 Like he walks out of the meeting rightfully, so there 1:07:43.040 --> 1:07:44.960 was nothing to do. But I was just like, please, like, 1:07:45.080 --> 1:07:47.040 if you got some songs, get me the songs or whatever. 1:07:47.560 --> 1:07:50.240 He walks out of the meeting. Years later he makes 1:07:50.280 --> 1:07:52.720 a record and then the record he goes Clark Kent 1:07:52.760 --> 1:07:55.800 wouldn't sign me because he signed Effects, And I was like, 1:07:56.280 --> 1:08:00.840 that's not what happened. I was like, you know, Weed 1:08:01.000 --> 1:08:08.000 is something. But like you know, Oconnelly, I lost Oconnelly 1:08:09.640 --> 1:08:12.640 too to Jimmy I Bean, I lost, I lost I 1:08:12.720 --> 1:08:14.280 lost my Deep to Bones Malone. 1:08:14.920 --> 1:08:15.240 M hmm. 1:08:16.360 --> 1:08:21.120 Yeah. When they when they were political profits. When they 1:08:21.160 --> 1:08:24.800 were they were in my office, like I was trying 1:08:24.840 --> 1:08:27.120 to sign these these little boys, and it was this 1:08:27.280 --> 1:08:29.240 chick who managed them, who was cool with Dame, so 1:08:29.400 --> 1:08:31.800 Dame was halfway managing them to so I was just like, 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:34.360 shake the soft Family, we're gonna go. And Bones had 1:08:34.400 --> 1:08:38.880 heard them like the day before me, so he was 1:08:38.960 --> 1:08:44.200 trying to sign them and he he yeah, he was 1:08:44.240 --> 1:08:47.920 at Fourth Broadway, so like he already had something like 1:08:48.000 --> 1:08:50.639 the day before. So it was almost like I'm going 1:08:50.680 --> 1:08:52.560 to have to fight with my man, and I was 1:08:52.680 --> 1:08:54.759 just like, no, I can't. I can't fight with Bones 1:08:54.760 --> 1:08:57.760 about this. And then the the way that they were 1:08:57.800 --> 1:08:59.560 structured with the girl, I was like, you know, what 1:09:00.800 --> 1:09:03.519 to what you want to do? But I was they 1:09:03.520 --> 1:09:06.800 would have been wherever I was at and I still 1:09:06.840 --> 1:09:07.840 got number of love for him. 1:09:08.880 --> 1:09:12.360 Yeoh, I'm glad you mentioned this. Can you tell me 1:09:12.720 --> 1:09:18.400 how long it took for Dis Effects to create their 1:09:18.479 --> 1:09:24.320 first album? After they had the single the album, that's 1:09:24.360 --> 1:09:26.599 where it got they were just you know, the album 1:09:26.720 --> 1:09:29.120 was snaps every beat. 1:09:30.520 --> 1:09:34.200 The album was done practically maybe one song off. When 1:09:34.280 --> 1:09:38.080 they came to the office, Wow, We're all we were 1:09:38.120 --> 1:09:41.240 all like, oh, ship, like this is it? 1:09:43.040 --> 1:09:45.920 What member of who did the who did the production 1:09:46.120 --> 1:09:48.439 on that album? That's one thing that was never made, 1:09:48.600 --> 1:09:49.720 was it p M D Or was it. 1:09:50.400 --> 1:09:52.240 It was that was christ Charity. 1:09:53.000 --> 1:09:58.519 Yeah, yeah, it was them. It was solid scheme. What's 1:09:58.600 --> 1:10:02.360 crazy is I didn't even notice until later when when 1:10:02.560 --> 1:10:04.920 when the deal was done, Like they brought the whole 1:10:05.000 --> 1:10:07.320 crew to the office and I'm like, I'm looking at 1:10:07.360 --> 1:10:10.040 solid skin, like, yo, don I know y'all, and they're like, yeah, 1:10:10.120 --> 1:10:11.920 we live on the next block from you. And I 1:10:12.080 --> 1:10:15.800 was like I was looking at them, like your motherfuckers 1:10:15.840 --> 1:10:18.559 make beats. You did all of this ship. They were like, yeah, 1:10:18.600 --> 1:10:19.920 we was doing it in the crib up the street 1:10:19.920 --> 1:10:23.080 from you, and I was just like, fuck, I know, y'all. 1:10:23.280 --> 1:10:26.080 Why didn't you I just so y'all as the kids 1:10:26.160 --> 1:10:29.120 from up the block, why didn't you say something? He said, well, 1:10:29.200 --> 1:10:30.680 you know, Paris was like he's going to bring it 1:10:30.720 --> 1:10:32.479 to where you was at. So I figured we find out. 1:10:32.479 --> 1:10:35.200 I'm like, what, like, I didn't have to do this, 1:10:36.200 --> 1:10:37.760 didn't have to go that way. It could have went 1:10:37.800 --> 1:10:40.040 through y'all. It could have been a solid skame production 1:10:40.360 --> 1:10:43.439 and you know, yeah, but they did. They did all 1:10:43.479 --> 1:10:47.479 of it, and it was literally done before the deal 1:10:47.680 --> 1:10:48.000 was done. 1:10:53.080 --> 1:10:55.640 Now, I mean I'm in an error where okay, if 1:10:55.680 --> 1:10:59.639 something fresh comes out everybody's biting it a second later. 1:11:00.000 --> 1:11:03.679 I mean, so common now that you know, I don't. 1:11:03.840 --> 1:11:06.840 I just think it's it's it's just the you know, 1:11:07.000 --> 1:11:09.400 the lay of the land, like some dope comes and 1:11:09.479 --> 1:11:11.080 then you got to do your version of it. But 1:11:11.960 --> 1:11:16.839 I've just never seen a domino effect or sea change 1:11:18.600 --> 1:11:25.000 effect happened so rapidly in hip hop. Then when after 1:11:26.240 --> 1:11:29.400 dost effects came out. So could you just talk at 1:11:29.520 --> 1:11:33.320 least from the from the behind the scenes standpoint or 1:11:33.360 --> 1:11:37.040 what it was like like when you heard that song, 1:11:37.160 --> 1:11:38.920 you knew that you had lightning in a bottle? 1:11:39.360 --> 1:11:42.680 Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I knew that. I knew that 1:11:42.760 --> 1:11:46.559 it was going to be crazy because of how funny 1:11:46.680 --> 1:11:51.439 enough at that moment, how different it was. But I 1:11:51.640 --> 1:11:54.720 didn't literally feel it was so different, because you have 1:11:54.800 --> 1:11:57.200 to remember at that time, I was trying to find 1:11:57.320 --> 1:12:00.080 jay Z and Jazz, and they were doing it in 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:00.960 the eighties. 1:12:02.800 --> 1:12:04.560 So they were tongue twitched it even way before that. 1:12:04.880 --> 1:12:07.600 No, No, they were I'm talking about the eighties. The 1:12:07.680 --> 1:12:11.720 Originators came out in the eighties, Yeah, and they were 1:12:11.840 --> 1:12:14.679 doing what you heard, the riggy did dig did the sticky? 1:12:14.720 --> 1:12:17.080 All of that shit was in the Originators records, and 1:12:17.240 --> 1:12:19.600 the tripling was in the Originators records, so like they 1:12:19.640 --> 1:12:22.720 were doing it from in the eighties and I was 1:12:22.760 --> 1:12:25.559 trying to find them. But when this happened, I was like, Okay, yeah, 1:12:25.560 --> 1:12:28.000 we have to do this. This is this emergency, right, 1:12:28.120 --> 1:12:31.360 so we do it. She goes crazy, but then yes, 1:12:32.000 --> 1:12:34.080 a ton of motherfuckers just all of a sudden, we're 1:12:34.160 --> 1:12:38.040 riggedy and sticky and and I was just like, wow, 1:12:38.640 --> 1:12:42.759 but that's happened from the beginning of time. The second 1:12:42.800 --> 1:12:44.479 song that was ever made as a sample of the 1:12:44.520 --> 1:12:46.840 first song, but did you? 1:12:48.080 --> 1:12:50.840 I almost feel like the the this is the one 1:12:50.920 --> 1:12:55.040 the rare times where I felt like it was super 1:12:55.439 --> 1:12:59.880 effects right, but I almost felt like it it killed 1:13:00.120 --> 1:13:02.680 any momentum that they had that by the time the 1:13:02.920 --> 1:13:07.519 next album came, You know, were you involved at all 1:13:07.560 --> 1:13:10.080 in the the the A and R and the development. 1:13:09.720 --> 1:13:13.200 Of Yes and I'm produced On that album. They didn't 1:13:13.360 --> 1:13:15.679 change a lot, but they went more to the fact 1:13:15.720 --> 1:13:18.559 that yo, we actually can wrap you know what I'm saying. 1:13:18.560 --> 1:13:21.760 And I was like, that's a cool idea. People are 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:23.800 going to be expecting you to do one thing, so 1:13:24.000 --> 1:13:27.479 doing what you're doing might not work. Out properly, but 1:13:28.720 --> 1:13:30.640 it didn't mean that we shouldn't let them try it. 1:13:31.040 --> 1:13:34.920 And some of their like better rap record like rap 1:13:35.040 --> 1:13:37.240 Ability records, came from that second album. 1:13:39.120 --> 1:13:40.840 I wanted to ask you, man, I was always curious 1:13:40.880 --> 1:13:44.880 about your work with Rob Kim on his album, you know, 1:13:44.960 --> 1:13:47.240 the Eighteenth Letter. What was it like, because that was 1:13:47.240 --> 1:13:48.719 at the point of his career where he was really 1:13:49.040 --> 1:13:51.280 you know, you don't call it a comeback, but that 1:13:51.479 --> 1:13:53.479 was you know, he was setting up, you know, the 1:13:53.520 --> 1:13:54.519 next chapter of his career. 1:13:55.080 --> 1:13:56.320 That was exactly what it was. 1:13:56.720 --> 1:13:58.760 Yeah, you know, how what was your approach as a 1:13:58.840 --> 1:14:01.880 producer saying I right, we're gonna take you. Was the 1:14:02.000 --> 1:14:03.800 goal to get him on the radio, get him in 1:14:03.840 --> 1:14:07.799 the club? Like what what was your mind as a producer? 1:14:08.560 --> 1:14:11.200 The goal was to get him interested in rapping two 1:14:11.439 --> 1:14:14.040 Wow things that I came up with, like slick Rick two. 1:14:14.080 --> 1:14:15.720 When I worked on slick Rick's album, when he came 1:14:15.760 --> 1:14:19.200 home from jail, Like I made tracks for like two 1:14:19.280 --> 1:14:22.200 weeks and he wouldn't even come in the room. Here's 1:14:22.240 --> 1:14:24.080 something a lot of people don't know. When rock him 1:14:24.320 --> 1:14:28.479 was like eleven wine dance Day happened and there was 1:14:28.520 --> 1:14:30.360 a guy named King Charles from Queens that had a 1:14:30.479 --> 1:14:32.280 stupid sound system and he used to bring the sound 1:14:32.320 --> 1:14:34.760 system to Wine Dance Day. He brought me with him 1:14:34.760 --> 1:14:37.519 one year and I'm djaying and this little dude is 1:14:37.600 --> 1:14:39.400 on the mic on a crate and it was rock Him. 1:14:40.840 --> 1:14:44.360 So later on, later on, when I'm when when we're 1:14:44.360 --> 1:14:46.240 sitting in the studio and now I've known rock him 1:14:46.280 --> 1:14:49.640 since the beginning of rock him, like making records, just 1:14:49.760 --> 1:14:51.720 cool rock him, just like cool. We meet each other 1:14:51.800 --> 1:14:53.880 and your crew knows I know all these dudes in 1:14:53.960 --> 1:14:55.680 your crew, so we're just going to know each other 1:14:55.840 --> 1:14:58.760 like that, right, And we're sitting in the studio and 1:14:58.920 --> 1:15:02.320 I say, you, oh, when's the first time he wound 1:15:02.400 --> 1:15:05.160 that Wine Dance Day? He said, how you know I 1:15:05.280 --> 1:15:07.080 round that Wine Dance Day. I said, I'll tell you 1:15:07.160 --> 1:15:09.720 in a second. So when's the first time? He said? Yo, man, 1:15:09.800 --> 1:15:11.840 I think I was like eleven. I said, I believe 1:15:11.880 --> 1:15:13.800 you were eleven. He was like, how you know that? 1:15:14.040 --> 1:15:17.519 Because I was DJing. He was like, wait a minute, clock, 1:15:17.880 --> 1:15:19.880 So you was my DJ the first time I got 1:15:19.960 --> 1:15:21.960 on a mic at a park jam And I was like, 1:15:22.200 --> 1:15:22.680 how about that? 1:15:23.560 --> 1:15:24.160 That's crazy? 1:15:24.240 --> 1:15:27.639 Man? Like it might not even make sense to people 1:15:27.720 --> 1:15:31.080 that I'm older than rock him doesn't, right, you know 1:15:31.120 --> 1:15:31.519 what I'm saying. 1:15:31.600 --> 1:15:33.959 So it's like I feel like he's older than everybody. 1:15:35.520 --> 1:15:38.479 The reason why is because at sixteen he became the 1:15:38.600 --> 1:15:44.400 most important MC period. Bro Chim is literally literally the 1:15:44.520 --> 1:15:45.840 most important MC ever. 1:15:46.280 --> 1:15:48.960 So when y'all were making back we're making an album, 1:15:49.240 --> 1:15:51.120 how we were able to fit him into a I 1:15:51.200 --> 1:15:52.680 guess back then will be a. 1:15:52.720 --> 1:15:55.240 Modern day contract? What was your what was your process? 1:15:55.760 --> 1:15:59.519 I literally for almost two sessions just sat around talking 1:15:59.560 --> 1:16:02.280 to him after and are mad at me, like cluck, 1:16:02.320 --> 1:16:04.880 you're wasting money. I'm like, no, this is actually going 1:16:04.960 --> 1:16:07.840 to help you because I'm getting him into a place 1:16:07.920 --> 1:16:11.200 of he wants to really really wrap to some some 1:16:11.320 --> 1:16:16.400 ship that might not necessarily be regularly yoused. And that 1:16:16.880 --> 1:16:19.000 thing that we did for two years got him to 1:16:19.200 --> 1:16:22.920 trust me, right, But then at the at the advent 1:16:23.000 --> 1:16:25.000 of him trusting me, I was like, he can't trust 1:16:25.080 --> 1:16:31.800 nobody else. So I would have beats from whomever at 1:16:31.840 --> 1:16:34.000 the n R would give me because it basically became 1:16:34.080 --> 1:16:38.559 I'm gonna like basically and on the album right cool, 1:16:38.960 --> 1:16:41.559 So I'm showing them beats that I'm like, he's a good, 1:16:41.800 --> 1:16:43.560 A good, he's good, and he's going yo, who did this? 1:16:43.680 --> 1:16:45.840 And when I tell him, he's going on and I'm like, 1:16:47.360 --> 1:16:49.800 so what I started doing? When I got a beat 1:16:49.800 --> 1:16:51.320 that I thought he should round two, I was like, 1:16:51.840 --> 1:16:55.040 I did it? Oh bet yo, let me go right 1:16:55.120 --> 1:16:57.519 to this. I don't give it, damn how I gotta 1:16:57.520 --> 1:17:01.120 get get it. That's me being a recognisic, a record 1:17:01.320 --> 1:17:04.000 company got I'm gonna get this. I'm gonna geta get 1:17:04.040 --> 1:17:08.799 ship done. So I did that for producers that weren't 1:17:08.920 --> 1:17:12.320 quite more famous enough for him to the only producer 1:17:12.400 --> 1:17:19.040 that he actually was like, okay, I trust him his premier, yeah, Pete. 1:17:19.920 --> 1:17:26.160 He just didn't necessarily like say oh yeah immediately I 1:17:26.240 --> 1:17:28.680 had to be like, yo, this should fire, you know, 1:17:28.760 --> 1:17:31.160 Pete p gave's fire and then he would listen. 1:17:31.000 --> 1:17:32.400 And socc begins. 1:17:32.439 --> 1:17:38.519 That was my joint right, But the fact the fact that. 1:17:38.600 --> 1:17:42.240 He ran to guess who's back was mind blowing to me. 1:17:42.720 --> 1:17:46.000 But then it gave me the ability to do something 1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:47.840 that I really didn't get to do on records, like 1:17:48.040 --> 1:17:50.760 the whole end of the record I'm scratching, which I 1:17:50.840 --> 1:17:53.040 didn't really do on records a lot, but I was like, 1:17:53.200 --> 1:17:56.680 he was like, yo, man, get to this because of 1:17:56.800 --> 1:17:59.400 the intro of the record. Once again, back is the incredible. 1:18:00.479 --> 1:18:02.720 He's like, yo, you you got to scratch that at 1:18:02.720 --> 1:18:04.560 the end of the record. And I'm just like, oh no, 1:18:04.640 --> 1:18:06.280 I don't. This record's going to have a hard end. 1:18:06.560 --> 1:18:11.000 He was like nope, and he would challenge me by going, Okay, 1:18:11.040 --> 1:18:11.839 I'll do the scratches. 1:18:13.080 --> 1:18:18.479 As the producer of MAFI Players Anthem, what were your 1:18:18.520 --> 1:18:20.880 thoughts on J Brews and Three Moods? 1:18:20.960 --> 1:18:21.759 You're playing yourself? 1:18:22.920 --> 1:18:25.840 Well, first of all, I've known Primo since he was 1:18:25.920 --> 1:18:29.840 in college, and like we're like we're really all like 1:18:30.560 --> 1:18:33.280 super old school friends. Like when I was with Dana Dane. 1:18:33.320 --> 1:18:36.000 We did a show at Priview University. He was a 1:18:36.120 --> 1:18:38.800 DJ for the night okay, and the show was in 1:18:38.880 --> 1:18:41.160 a gym and he was on the stack and I 1:18:41.280 --> 1:18:43.679 was like, Yo, nice to meet you, DJR Yo DJ Premier. 1:18:44.000 --> 1:18:48.680 There was no Game Star, it was DJ Premier. I'm like, Yo, 1:18:48.800 --> 1:18:50.519 good to meet you, man. And I was like, yo, 1:18:50.600 --> 1:18:52.599 you you're playing ship. You know what I'm saying. You're 1:18:52.600 --> 1:18:54.400 getting it off And he was like, yo, thank you. 1:18:54.520 --> 1:18:56.760 And I get on we do the show with Dana Dane, 1:18:56.760 --> 1:19:01.200 and we instantly became cool. And I would do parties 1:19:01.520 --> 1:19:06.280 at the Rhyme Stone Wrangler in Houston, and I damned 1:19:06.280 --> 1:19:08.639 there was famous in Houston for playing at the Rhymestone 1:19:08.680 --> 1:19:12.840 Wrangler with Off pe Cola and uh Steve Foyer. And 1:19:13.640 --> 1:19:16.760 I was super tight with James James Smith at that time, 1:19:16.920 --> 1:19:20.360 So like when the advent of Gangstar came, I was like, 1:19:20.960 --> 1:19:23.120 I know we know each other already, you know, so 1:19:23.240 --> 1:19:27.280 we're super cool. So when the record got made, I 1:19:27.439 --> 1:19:32.559 actually literally was like, did I do something wrong the print? 1:19:33.760 --> 1:19:37.240 I was like, because I was like I love that guy, 1:19:37.400 --> 1:19:40.800 like I love him and I believe he loves me too, 1:19:41.720 --> 1:19:43.320 And I was like, how did you just do that? 1:19:43.920 --> 1:19:47.559 You know? It really was about the idea of the song. 1:19:47.840 --> 1:19:50.240 He played yourself and he was going at Biggie, so 1:19:50.360 --> 1:19:51.880 it was like he was going at Biggie on something 1:19:51.920 --> 1:19:55.800 Biggie did. So I was like, Noah, I love for 1:19:55.920 --> 1:19:58.400 man for man loves me and I think nothing of 1:19:58.479 --> 1:20:01.560 this ship, but I did. First. I was like, he 1:20:02.280 --> 1:20:05.000 murdered that ship. So the thing is, I was like, 1:20:05.640 --> 1:20:08.360 he might have made a fill beat. I just made 1:20:08.360 --> 1:20:10.800 the better song. So I was cool. I was cool 1:20:10.840 --> 1:20:13.400 with both. You got the beat, but that's because I 1:20:13.439 --> 1:20:15.080 looked at it like a producer and not like a 1:20:15.160 --> 1:20:16.680 guy who was just listening to the song. But once 1:20:16.720 --> 1:20:18.519 I got to the song card, I was like, yeah, 1:20:18.840 --> 1:20:24.519 my song kills that, but your beat, your beat kills mine. Yo. Listen, man. 1:20:24.960 --> 1:20:27.800 One time I was in the club and all of 1:20:27.840 --> 1:20:31.519 a sudden, the DJ in the club plays you are 1:20:31.560 --> 1:20:34.880 what I'm all about and he starts manipulating the sample 1:20:35.240 --> 1:20:39.439 in Siado, so it goes boom dunk dum dumdoom, and 1:20:39.560 --> 1:20:50.600 I'm just like, fucking Quest, I'm gonna kill you. You. 1:20:50.760 --> 1:20:52.160 It was you who did it, and I was we 1:20:52.240 --> 1:20:55.360 were as Santos and I was like, oh, Quest is wild, 1:20:56.400 --> 1:21:00.320 He's wild. So I just I just like that was 1:21:00.439 --> 1:21:03.479 that was super duper ill, And I was like, you 1:21:03.520 --> 1:21:05.960 know what, how did I ever feel bad about that? Like? 1:21:06.080 --> 1:21:10.640 Quest is the premiere is freaking amazing. Premiere to me 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:16.120 is the best boombag producer ever, like ever ever ever? Yeah, yeah, 1:21:16.360 --> 1:21:16.800 did come. 1:21:16.840 --> 1:21:23.040 Hey, speaking of battles. Speaking of battles, I know that 1:21:23.400 --> 1:21:26.879 you were one of the organizers of the Battle Forwards 1:21:27.000 --> 1:21:35.200 World Supremacy. Now you mentioned Merlyn Bob, which I'm gonna ask, 1:21:35.400 --> 1:21:37.719 did you do any time at a lecture whatsoever? 1:21:37.960 --> 1:21:40.719 Well, if you worked at East West, you worked at Atlantic, 1:21:40.960 --> 1:21:42.200 East West and Electric. 1:21:44.400 --> 1:21:48.360 So were you the one that signed uh Supernat to 1:21:48.439 --> 1:21:49.240 his deal of Electric? 1:21:49.320 --> 1:21:52.080 No, but I was the one who got the ability 1:21:52.240 --> 1:21:56.519 to sign an artist to the deal. So basically the 1:21:56.640 --> 1:21:59.639 deal was a prize. But the deal was a prize 1:21:59.680 --> 1:22:01.280 because I walked in and was like, yo, I do 1:22:01.439 --> 1:22:03.600 this contest and da da da da da da. I 1:22:03.720 --> 1:22:06.559 need to be able to sign the artists who wins. 1:22:07.400 --> 1:22:11.080 And they were like okay, And so it was the prize. 1:22:11.120 --> 1:22:12.880 It wasn't like I'm saying I want to sign. It 1:22:13.040 --> 1:22:15.280 was like, no, this is a prize. Like and it's 1:22:15.360 --> 1:22:17.960 crazy because people didn't even know that was a surprise. 1:22:18.080 --> 1:22:20.600 That was the prize. Like you get there and you 1:22:21.000 --> 1:22:23.479 think you're just battling for this world supremacy belt. I 1:22:23.560 --> 1:22:26.360 mean at that time I had switched it from belts 1:22:26.400 --> 1:22:28.439 to jackets that you could wear every day because you 1:22:28.479 --> 1:22:30.800 couldn't wear a belt, and a ring that you could 1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:32.960 wear every day because you couldn't wear a belt, and 1:22:33.200 --> 1:22:35.360 and you know, special things like we're gonna get you 1:22:36.000 --> 1:22:39.320 like a little setup and shit. But once they said 1:22:39.439 --> 1:22:41.960 it'll be a deal that we give, I was like, Oh, 1:22:42.120 --> 1:22:45.080 they just gonna get a jacket the gold ring and 1:22:45.120 --> 1:22:46.760 then they're gonna get this deal and that's going to 1:22:46.840 --> 1:22:49.360 fuck them up. So when they when it was happening 1:22:49.360 --> 1:22:51.800 and the ship was over and Supernatural won and I 1:22:51.920 --> 1:22:53.600 was like, by the way, you just gotta deal that 1:22:53.680 --> 1:22:56.880 Electric Records. He was like, I got a what. I 1:22:56.960 --> 1:22:59.800 was like, yeah, he still won it, even though yeah 1:23:00.040 --> 1:23:02.840 he wanted yeah, he won the battle. The Craig G 1:23:03.080 --> 1:23:04.960 thing wasn't a part of the battle. That was just 1:23:05.360 --> 1:23:08.840 Craig G. One night in between the two nights, he 1:23:09.040 --> 1:23:10.479 was just like he got up and was like, Yo, 1:23:10.560 --> 1:23:13.080 I kick this nigga's ass on the mic. That's the 1:23:13.120 --> 1:23:14.920 way I heard it come back. And then they battled 1:23:15.400 --> 1:23:19.400 and Craig G craig G roast. Okay, Craig G won 1:23:19.479 --> 1:23:21.680 the battle. I'm gonna say it like that. And the 1:23:21.760 --> 1:23:23.559 reason why I'm gonna say it like that is because 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:27.800 when the battle was about to happen the next day, 1:23:28.160 --> 1:23:30.680 I was like, yo, I'm hearing last night that there 1:23:30.760 --> 1:23:34.080 was a battle between Craig Ge and Supernatural and Supernatural, 1:23:34.560 --> 1:23:36.640 I mean and Craig g bus his ass. Those are 1:23:36.680 --> 1:23:41.720 the words I used, right, And at the same time, 1:23:41.800 --> 1:23:44.840 Supernatural had a show on ninety seven. Once a week 1:23:45.240 --> 1:23:49.160 he would be on ninety seven. He goes on the 1:23:49.200 --> 1:23:52.559 show and goes, you know, I like to shout out 1:23:52.600 --> 1:23:54.320 to everybody who came out to the battle. You know, 1:23:54.400 --> 1:23:56.719 I won, Da da da da. But Clark cancer Snake? 1:23:58.160 --> 1:24:01.840 Oh wait what I was like Clark to Snake? How 1:24:03.280 --> 1:24:07.200 you know? So I'm a little angry and I see him, 1:24:07.200 --> 1:24:11.839 I'm like, Yo, what are you talking about? Then, instead 1:24:12.560 --> 1:24:14.880 of really trying to have a conversation with him, I 1:24:14.960 --> 1:24:17.439 went to KRS and I was like, who was managing him? 1:24:17.439 --> 1:24:21.120 I was like, Yo, talk to your man. Talk to 1:24:21.200 --> 1:24:22.920 your man, because if you don't talk to your man, 1:24:22.960 --> 1:24:27.200 I'm gonna choke. Talk to your man. And it got 1:24:27.240 --> 1:24:29.000 to a point where I was like, dog, like, you're 1:24:29.040 --> 1:24:31.479 not talking to your man. Your man should go on 1:24:31.520 --> 1:24:34.320 the radio and apologize because just because I had I 1:24:35.200 --> 1:24:37.360 respoke about some shit that happened the day before. I'm 1:24:37.360 --> 1:24:39.040 a snake. You just won my battle. I gave you 1:24:39.080 --> 1:24:41.439 a record deal. What is you talking about? You win? 1:24:41.840 --> 1:24:41.960 Right? 1:24:42.520 --> 1:24:44.800 Right? You won? Like we just talking about what happened 1:24:44.800 --> 1:24:47.639 the night before before you won the battle. So I'm 1:24:47.720 --> 1:24:49.560 just like, so that makes me a snake because I 1:24:50.080 --> 1:24:52.960 mentioned what happened the night before, even though you in 1:24:53.120 --> 1:24:56.519 the same day won the battle. So some weeks went 1:24:56.560 --> 1:24:59.200 buying any apology. He invited me up to the radio 1:24:59.520 --> 1:25:03.080 and here because some things happened in the middle, and 1:25:03.120 --> 1:25:05.560 then he invited me to the radio to apologize, and 1:25:06.320 --> 1:25:09.160 I was just like, cool, you know, I left it 1:25:09.200 --> 1:25:11.080 the way it was, but I just could not understand 1:25:11.360 --> 1:25:16.160 why you would take that route after me just repeating 1:25:16.240 --> 1:25:18.479 what I heard the night about the night before and 1:25:18.600 --> 1:25:21.639 then you won, So it was like, who cares? 1:25:22.760 --> 1:25:25.000 What did you work on his album? And I know 1:25:25.040 --> 1:25:27.840 the album never dropped, but would you involved at all? 1:25:27.880 --> 1:25:28.599 You weren't involved. 1:25:29.200 --> 1:25:30.080 No, I wasn't involved. 1:25:31.520 --> 1:25:34.960 I was going to ask you got him the deal 1:25:35.040 --> 1:25:37.080 VA winning the contest, but you had nothing to do 1:25:37.160 --> 1:25:41.080 with an RN. No. I'm only asking this because the 1:25:41.160 --> 1:25:45.000 first day that he records one of his tracks is 1:25:45.040 --> 1:25:49.160 also the first day like he's in studio c at 1:25:49.280 --> 1:25:52.640 Battery Studios, and this is the first day that the 1:25:52.720 --> 1:25:56.679 Roots and Bob Power are mixing down. Uh, what will 1:25:56.720 --> 1:25:58.760 eventually be d you want more. It's like our first 1:25:58.840 --> 1:26:04.759 day of mixing, and maybe we were in like Supernat 1:26:04.800 --> 1:26:06.920 and Tarika were really tight, so I think we spent 1:26:07.040 --> 1:26:10.240 like just two hours in his breakroom and chilling whatever. 1:26:10.280 --> 1:26:12.680 And he's like tracking the song and he's working on 1:26:12.720 --> 1:26:15.160 a song called when I was King. When I was King. 1:26:15.600 --> 1:26:19.040 When I was King, I ruled everything like it reaked 1:26:19.080 --> 1:26:23.679 of a keras one hook. But I noticed that every 1:26:23.760 --> 1:26:27.080 time he started a verse, it was a new verse 1:26:27.880 --> 1:26:29.200 and he's like, no, no, no, I don't like that. 1:26:29.400 --> 1:26:30.960 Let's do it again. So it's like, I don't know 1:26:31.200 --> 1:26:34.360 to take two, and then he does the hook and 1:26:34.479 --> 1:26:37.080 then it was enough and I realized he was like, 1:26:37.160 --> 1:26:41.439 I'm gonna make this entire album freestyle, like I'm not 1:26:41.479 --> 1:26:45.640 gonna write anything. And I was like, yo, this is 1:26:45.720 --> 1:26:52.760 a recipe for disaster. So I always one I wanted 1:26:52.800 --> 1:26:55.000 to know did that album ever get completed? And this 1:26:55.160 --> 1:26:59.000 also is a nice, wonderful segue into another person that 1:26:59.080 --> 1:27:03.600 attempted to do that actually made made some made some 1:27:05.120 --> 1:27:09.519 some some traction with it, which is of course I 1:27:09.640 --> 1:27:15.000 gotta ask you, what was it about jay Z that 1:27:15.280 --> 1:27:18.160 you that made you say? Because I believe your quote 1:27:18.200 --> 1:27:20.559 to me was like I knew he was the greatest 1:27:20.600 --> 1:27:23.679 the first time I heard him. Yeah, Like, normally someone 1:27:23.760 --> 1:27:25.400 builds up to that, but how did you know? 1:27:26.000 --> 1:27:31.920 I knew because he was saying rhymes that were better 1:27:32.400 --> 1:27:35.560 than the guys that I thought were the best. But 1:27:35.680 --> 1:27:38.439 they were like so much better that I was like, Wow, 1:27:38.600 --> 1:27:42.880 these guys aren't aren't even like close. Him and Jazz 1:27:43.800 --> 1:27:47.000 to me, were like the most elite MC's I ever heard. 1:27:47.840 --> 1:27:53.080 But Jay had something else. He had the rest of 1:27:53.120 --> 1:27:57.160 the package, you understand, Like Jazz had no bars like 1:27:57.320 --> 1:28:02.720 Jazz's bars, like and sanity. He would say things that 1:28:02.880 --> 1:28:03.559 I would have to be. 1:28:03.680 --> 1:28:08.559 Like wow, and we would be in the room like wow, 1:28:09.160 --> 1:28:09.479 did he. 1:28:09.720 --> 1:28:11.640 Just say that? But then Jay would go in and 1:28:11.680 --> 1:28:14.680 saytion shit and we'd be like wow. But everything else 1:28:14.840 --> 1:28:16.760 was attached to it. It was like this flow, the 1:28:16.840 --> 1:28:21.920 style of cadence, the attitude. You walked away believing every 1:28:22.120 --> 1:28:25.400 single word he said, and I was just like, Yeah, 1:28:25.520 --> 1:28:28.240 that's this guy's He's going to be looked at as 1:28:28.280 --> 1:28:28.759 the greatest. 1:28:29.400 --> 1:28:34.240 Why do you think it took so long for quote 1:28:34.320 --> 1:28:41.000 unquote heads end quote to actually give him his property? 1:28:41.040 --> 1:28:43.280 Okay, before we do that, I'm gonna go back and 1:28:43.280 --> 1:28:44.960 I'm gonna say when you was talking about another guy 1:28:45.000 --> 1:28:49.600 who didn't who freestyled. Jay never freestyled. Everything that you 1:28:49.760 --> 1:28:53.479 hear was what he put together. So it was written. 1:28:53.520 --> 1:28:58.439 It just wasn't written down. It was written in his memory. Right. 1:28:58.520 --> 1:29:01.080 He remembered what he was saying by the rhythms that 1:29:01.200 --> 1:29:01.720 he wrote it in. 1:29:03.240 --> 1:29:04.679 But isn't it a former freestyle? 1:29:06.040 --> 1:29:08.360 That's different. Freestyle is like when you. 1:29:08.439 --> 1:29:10.240 Just come in like just the right off the top 1:29:10.280 --> 1:29:13.320 of your head, like none of that over time. Yeah, 1:29:13.760 --> 1:29:15.880 he's emulating the raps. 1:29:16.240 --> 1:29:19.599 He has supreme memory too, right, because that too has 1:29:20.120 --> 1:29:20.880 just like his. 1:29:21.560 --> 1:29:25.000 His recall game when he was making records was insanity 1:29:25.000 --> 1:29:27.439 because I would be like, we drive him from the 1:29:27.520 --> 1:29:29.720 city to Brooklyn and a beat would be playing and 1:29:29.760 --> 1:29:33.439 he'd be like, Yo, I got it, you got what 1:29:35.000 --> 1:29:36.800 I got? I got I got this one. We're gonna 1:29:36.800 --> 1:29:38.000 go in the crib and we're gonna do this one. 1:29:38.160 --> 1:29:40.680 And we would do it and I'd be like, when 1:29:40.760 --> 1:29:41.280 did this happen? 1:29:41.320 --> 1:29:44.280 He was like on the ride home talking about tracking 1:29:44.320 --> 1:29:47.560 it is it stands at a time? Is it like 1:29:47.800 --> 1:29:48.360 half averse? 1:29:48.880 --> 1:29:52.240 Jay was one guy who could put it all together. 1:29:52.800 --> 1:29:55.880 He could put each first together in one shot and 1:29:56.600 --> 1:29:59.439 then go back and do the ad libs like he 1:29:59.479 --> 1:30:01.720 would do a through the adlast and then go to 1:30:01.800 --> 1:30:06.560 the next verse. But I'm just like talk like you 1:30:06.640 --> 1:30:06.880 can do. 1:30:06.920 --> 1:30:10.959 That, man, it's a memory. It's a it's a memory exercise. 1:30:10.960 --> 1:30:13.479 I didnt like that. I did that from like oh 1:30:14.040 --> 1:30:17.840 four to like yeah when I heard because I heard that, 1:30:18.320 --> 1:30:20.439 because I heard the stories like oh Jay don't write, 1:30:20.600 --> 1:30:22.160 he does it, and I was like, all right, let 1:30:22.200 --> 1:30:24.439 me try it. And so I tried it, and I 1:30:24.560 --> 1:30:27.280 was like, okay, cool. So like everything from like four 1:30:27.439 --> 1:30:29.840 up until I built my studio up the crib at 1:30:29.840 --> 1:30:32.599 oh nine, like all of that was dope paper while 1:30:32.640 --> 1:30:33.120 you stopped. 1:30:33.120 --> 1:30:38.280 Then just the studio changed. Like so for me, my 1:30:38.400 --> 1:30:41.000 process at the time like was just we were recording 1:30:41.000 --> 1:30:41.639 in the studios. 1:30:41.760 --> 1:30:44.680 You just cut the beat on to fifty and just 1:30:44.760 --> 1:30:46.680 walk around and I would just kind of write it 1:30:46.760 --> 1:30:49.240 and put it together and then tell my ang there 1:30:49.240 --> 1:30:50.800 like all right, bro, let's go and I do it. 1:30:51.960 --> 1:30:54.439 When you're recording at home and you got now the 1:30:55.560 --> 1:30:58.200 right right, yeah, But now when you're recording at the crib, 1:30:58.320 --> 1:31:00.599 it's like I'm not gonna leave a beat on loop forever, 1:31:00.960 --> 1:31:02.840 you know, when my kid is trying to sleep. So 1:31:03.400 --> 1:31:05.560 that was when I went back to It became a 1:31:05.600 --> 1:31:07.559 more of a thing. It became more of a writing 1:31:07.680 --> 1:31:09.800 and I think, just for me, my style as an 1:31:09.880 --> 1:31:12.920 MC at that time, it was really changing from I 1:31:13.000 --> 1:31:14.720 don't want to be just a great rapper. I want 1:31:14.720 --> 1:31:16.519 to be a great writer because I think if you, 1:31:17.040 --> 1:31:19.240 I think there's a longevity in it. You know, the 1:31:19.320 --> 1:31:21.679 reason why guys like a j you know what I'm saying, 1:31:21.720 --> 1:31:25.479 can still perform at a high level now is because he, 1:31:26.200 --> 1:31:28.280 in my mind, he thinks of himself as a writer, 1:31:28.720 --> 1:31:30.120 Like you can mature as a writer. 1:31:30.880 --> 1:31:33.240 Can you mature as a rapper? Maybe? 1:31:33.360 --> 1:31:35.719 I don't know, But if you think yourself as a writer, 1:31:36.040 --> 1:31:39.479 there's always in a storyteller, you always have room to 1:31:39.600 --> 1:31:40.599 grow and mature. 1:31:41.320 --> 1:31:45.599 I think what's I think the right way to say 1:31:45.640 --> 1:31:47.720 it is he thinks of himself and as an MC, 1:31:47.960 --> 1:31:51.240 not a rapper. And when you and when you're an MC, 1:31:51.439 --> 1:31:55.479 what you're saying becomes more important to how you say it. 1:31:56.600 --> 1:31:59.639 You got something you want everybody to get. You want 1:32:00.360 --> 1:32:03.560 like his triple advantages is like are you getting this 1:32:04.760 --> 1:32:06.920 like there's things on the first album that people just 1:32:07.080 --> 1:32:09.560 don't get. And I'm just like, man, like this is 1:32:09.640 --> 1:32:12.439 like freaking twenty some years ago, Like why why is 1:32:12.479 --> 1:32:14.519 this mind blowing to you right now? Like you should 1:32:14.560 --> 1:32:17.439 have got that maybe a year later, but like we're 1:32:17.479 --> 1:32:20.600 twenty five and you still don't get you know. So, 1:32:22.600 --> 1:32:26.920 But I will say the first time I started having 1:32:27.920 --> 1:32:30.280 and this is like literally the first session we do, 1:32:31.960 --> 1:32:34.200 he did that shit and I was like, Yo, what 1:32:34.360 --> 1:32:37.080 the fuck just happened? Like, dog, did you have that already? 1:32:37.280 --> 1:32:39.280 He was like nah, He's like this is what the 1:32:39.320 --> 1:32:41.080 beat said for me to do. And I was like, 1:32:42.400 --> 1:32:44.519 how did you remember all that? And he explained. He 1:32:44.640 --> 1:32:48.800 was like, you know, just like when you learn your abcs, 1:32:49.240 --> 1:32:52.320 I took it. I took this part and I put it. 1:32:52.439 --> 1:32:54.160 I put it together based off of what he said. 1:32:54.479 --> 1:32:58.200 He was like, I remember the rhymes based off of 1:32:58.320 --> 1:33:00.760 the rhythm in which I wrote him, or if the 1:33:00.840 --> 1:33:06.800 rhyme goes that's the way he remembers the record of 1:33:06.920 --> 1:33:10.760 the rhymes is to but that he's coming up with, 1:33:11.360 --> 1:33:13.720 And I was just like, in my mind, I was like, 1:33:14.080 --> 1:33:16.160 what are you talking about? So I said, what are 1:33:16.160 --> 1:33:18.479 you talking about? So he would go, most of my 1:33:19.280 --> 1:33:23.160 cadences come from drum rolls, and I was like, what 1:33:23.560 --> 1:33:25.840 then you would come on, let yo, let's look at 1:33:25.880 --> 1:33:28.080 this record and you hit that right there, that drummo, 1:33:28.200 --> 1:33:31.519 that's a cadence right there, And I'm just like, Yo, 1:33:31.560 --> 1:33:33.639 what the fuck are you talking about? And he would 1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:37.519 display the ship and go back, Yo, remember that drummro 1:33:37.960 --> 1:33:39.960 go listen to that ship, and I'd be like, oh, 1:33:40.040 --> 1:33:41.639 he's a wizard. Yeah. 1:33:41.640 --> 1:33:43.040 I was just thinking, I love it when y'all make 1:33:43.080 --> 1:33:45.360 it sound like science and because it is so. 1:33:45.680 --> 1:33:48.439 So later on in my mind, I was like, the 1:33:48.520 --> 1:33:53.120 first thing you learned to remember you learn it connected 1:33:53.160 --> 1:33:56.880 to music, so connected to a rhythm, A B C D. Yeah, 1:33:57.800 --> 1:34:00.599 like you connected to a rhythm. Like it's so much 1:34:00.680 --> 1:34:02.120 easier to remember something. 1:34:01.920 --> 1:34:05.519 That's seven eleven twelve. 1:34:06.000 --> 1:34:08.200 Schoolhouse Rock was the proof of that ship. Like you 1:34:08.439 --> 1:34:11.000 you can remember everything from Schoolhouse Rock if you watched 1:34:11.040 --> 1:34:14.600 it twice, face faced off of the rhythm. You know 1:34:14.640 --> 1:34:17.479 what I'm saying, it's truth. So like he explained, he 1:34:17.560 --> 1:34:19.040 explained that ship to me, and I was just like, 1:34:19.240 --> 1:34:23.880 that's masterful. And that also gave me something else in 1:34:24.000 --> 1:34:25.800 my pocket. When I would walk around and talk to 1:34:25.840 --> 1:34:27.960 people about him and like, Yo, my man, don't even 1:34:28.040 --> 1:34:30.840 write the ship down. He would be looking at me like, clock, 1:34:30.880 --> 1:34:32.439 you're a liar. The first first person telling me I 1:34:32.600 --> 1:34:35.920 was alive with skills. So I was like, skills, come 1:34:35.960 --> 1:34:38.519 to the skills, come to the crypt. He was like, 1:34:38.920 --> 1:34:40.479 I'm not for what. I was like, Yo, my man, 1:34:40.600 --> 1:34:42.240 my man's head, and you're gonna record to to just 1:34:42.320 --> 1:34:45.840 kind of my crib. He sees Jay come in, listen 1:34:45.920 --> 1:34:47.479 to the beat for a while. He could tell you 1:34:47.560 --> 1:34:49.800 this is the truth. And he went in and got 1:34:49.880 --> 1:34:52.320 on the mic and said everything that he was mumbling 1:34:52.720 --> 1:34:54.880 in the hallway, and he was like, Yo, what the 1:34:55.000 --> 1:34:56.600 fuck does that happen? The same way I was. He 1:34:56.760 --> 1:34:58.639 was like, I said, Dog, I told you. He don't 1:34:58.640 --> 1:35:01.519 write it down. He just thinks of it. That's it. 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:03.120 And then he thinks of it and puts it all 1:35:03.200 --> 1:35:08.840 together and everything, like when you think of ninety nine 1:35:08.920 --> 1:35:13.640 problems and think that there's no pen attached to that, 1:35:14.720 --> 1:35:18.840 there's no pen attaches to meet the parents. I'm sorry, dog, 1:35:19.000 --> 1:35:21.120 he's a fucking wizard. Yo. 1:35:22.680 --> 1:35:28.720 You're just reminded me. Now I wouldness that. Now I 1:35:28.800 --> 1:35:31.679 got a search for this shit, because I mean, technically 1:35:31.960 --> 1:35:36.280 he did it just so that he recorded something, just 1:35:36.320 --> 1:35:38.800 so that he could remember it specifically for a show 1:35:38.840 --> 1:35:42.880 that we were doing, but mid rehearsals for that whole 1:35:42.920 --> 1:35:46.400 reasonable Doubt thing that we did for the anniversary, he's like, 1:35:46.479 --> 1:35:49.559 you know what, He's like, I'm doing a sequel. I'm 1:35:49.640 --> 1:35:54.439 doing forty four fours. He's like, redo, can I kick 1:35:54.479 --> 1:35:58.759 it and just lay the beat down for five minutes 1:35:58.800 --> 1:36:00.800 to like me Adam Blacks when I forget, like, who 1:36:00.840 --> 1:36:03.720 else was there? So we we we were hooking it 1:36:03.840 --> 1:36:06.840 up like we were going to do it during the show, 1:36:08.200 --> 1:36:12.840 and the whole time I thought he was I thought 1:36:12.880 --> 1:36:15.640 he was just like recapping something that he might have 1:36:15.720 --> 1:36:17.760 wrote a sequel to it or whatever. He's like, no, no, no, 1:36:17.800 --> 1:36:20.240 I'm making it up right now. It's like, just give 1:36:20.280 --> 1:36:24.280 me a half hour. I'll get it. And I really 1:36:24.320 --> 1:36:27.320 regret this moment, but this is the exact moment where 1:36:27.360 --> 1:36:30.720 in the next room, in the in the room next 1:36:30.800 --> 1:36:38.080 door Kanye in Consequence were just working on I don't 1:36:38.080 --> 1:36:41.240 know if you remember this song on Consequences record your Girl, 1:36:41.439 --> 1:36:44.560 Your Girl, Keith, fuck yes, your Girl. It's one of 1:36:44.600 --> 1:36:47.519 the hardest beats. I really like, if you remember the yes, 1:36:47.960 --> 1:36:52.160 if you remember that beat, Like my older self's like, yo, 1:36:52.240 --> 1:36:54.679 you could have witnessed a real historical moment of watching 1:36:54.760 --> 1:36:58.080 this motherfucker crafted. But I'm not thinking like I'm making 1:36:58.120 --> 1:37:01.000 a bait for jay Z to, you know. He's just like, 1:37:01.160 --> 1:37:02.720 I got to remember my rhyme, so just give me 1:37:02.760 --> 1:37:05.519 a half hour and I'll have it. So we're running 1:37:05.640 --> 1:37:09.920 in that room to watch old boy like put this 1:37:10.000 --> 1:37:13.200 beat together for consequence and shit. And I came back. 1:37:13.280 --> 1:37:15.120 He's like, all right, I'm done, and he laid it 1:37:15.400 --> 1:37:19.880 and it didn't hit me till like much later that 1:37:20.120 --> 1:37:23.640 he actually made that rhyme up at the moment. And 1:37:23.760 --> 1:37:27.080 mind you, there were forty four fours in there. Yeah, 1:37:27.080 --> 1:37:30.200 so that's the part I'm still like. I was like this, 1:37:30.560 --> 1:37:32.320 he had this one in his pocket, there's no way, 1:37:32.320 --> 1:37:34.439 and he's like, no, it's like I made it up 1:37:34.600 --> 1:37:35.080 on the spot. 1:37:36.800 --> 1:37:38.880 Twenty two Two's was a freestyle that he used to 1:37:38.960 --> 1:37:43.360 do every time we performed at Maria Davis. Well, what 1:37:43.520 --> 1:37:45.200 we call freestyle, you know, when you rhyme to a 1:37:45.240 --> 1:37:47.560 beat and you just go off like we just do 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:50.240 that to can I kick it. This was before there 1:37:50.320 --> 1:37:51.960 was a beat to it, and then it was like, 1:37:52.040 --> 1:37:54.240 you'll make a beat to it, you'll ski come up 1:37:54.280 --> 1:37:59.080 with something to it. Like but he said twenty he 1:37:59.160 --> 1:38:01.679 said two twenty two times, and I was like wow, 1:38:03.320 --> 1:38:07.080 because because I'm he said four forty four, so trust me. 1:38:07.200 --> 1:38:10.240 When when the first time he did it, I was like, 1:38:10.520 --> 1:38:12.600 what the And then the next time he did it, 1:38:12.680 --> 1:38:16.439 I was in the side going and then when it 1:38:16.520 --> 1:38:19.160 got to twenty two, I was just like, nah, fuck, 1:38:19.640 --> 1:38:21.200 I understand that. This is the second This is the 1:38:21.320 --> 1:38:23.400 second time he did it in front of us, you 1:38:23.439 --> 1:38:25.720 know what I'm saying. The first time we were just like, oh, 1:38:25.800 --> 1:38:28.920 that shit is crazy, y'ah. Twenty two two? Yeah, Then 1:38:28.960 --> 1:38:32.800 I was like, twenty two Wait a minute, twenty two 1:38:32.920 --> 1:38:35.600 two's that's that means something different. Let me listen. And 1:38:35.680 --> 1:38:39.240 I was just like, he said too twenty two times. 1:38:39.960 --> 1:38:44.519 He's wizard, He's not regular man. So when forty four 1:38:44.600 --> 1:38:46.240 fours came out, I was like, I'm not even gonna 1:38:46.240 --> 1:38:49.280 te him nobody he said forty four he said four 1:38:49.320 --> 1:38:50.840 or forty four time, I'm not even gonna tell nobody 1:38:50.880 --> 1:38:51.840 because they're gonna say I'm. 1:38:51.760 --> 1:38:59.519 Lying, right, did you were you there for the tracking 1:38:59.680 --> 1:39:00.639 of a Scot's Limit. 1:39:01.680 --> 1:39:01.880 Yeah? 1:39:02.520 --> 1:39:03.560 Yeah, what was that like? 1:39:04.840 --> 1:39:07.599 It was kind of crazy because there wasn't an idea 1:39:07.720 --> 1:39:08.479 of one twelve. 1:39:09.280 --> 1:39:09.479 It was. 1:39:09.720 --> 1:39:10.960 It was Biggie doing the hook. 1:39:13.200 --> 1:39:15.479 He's saying it. You have a version of him singing it. 1:39:16.080 --> 1:39:19.880 The funny part is in the song his voice is 1:39:19.960 --> 1:39:22.840 in there. Okay, I just I just let it be 1:39:22.960 --> 1:39:27.160 real low because I appreciated the fact that he can't. Yo. Look, 1:39:28.400 --> 1:39:30.519 We're on a tour bus and Biggie says, bring me 1:39:30.600 --> 1:39:33.679 some beach for Junior Mafia, and I'm just like, who's Junior? 1:39:33.720 --> 1:39:35.960 My fia. He was like Ce's and such a name. 1:39:36.160 --> 1:39:38.599 The kids, the kids of g I'm like, they don't rap. 1:39:38.760 --> 1:39:40.599 He was like, don't worry about the clock. Just bring 1:39:40.680 --> 1:39:44.360 me something dream. I bring him some ship. First thing 1:39:44.439 --> 1:39:46.120 going to be the guys on the tape. The sky's 1:39:46.160 --> 1:39:49.120 the limit. He was like, Yo, you gotta hold that. 1:39:50.120 --> 1:39:53.439 And I was like, nah, that that's like an ed's joint. Mhm. 1:39:53.720 --> 1:39:57.360 He's looking at me like I was like, yes, I 1:39:57.400 --> 1:40:00.760 can know. Nah, dog, you gotta hold take it back. 1:40:00.880 --> 1:40:04.439 I need that. I'm like whatever, let's keep it. Second 1:40:04.520 --> 1:40:06.280 joint on the tape is I need it? I need 1:40:06.320 --> 1:40:08.280 you tonight. He was like, oh that, I like that too, 1:40:08.560 --> 1:40:11.519 and then he hears players anthem and like literally he's 1:40:11.560 --> 1:40:19.519 going I was like, Oh, we're gonna have something, and 1:40:19.600 --> 1:40:21.880 I'm thinking it's me and him, we're gonna make a record. 1:40:23.200 --> 1:40:25.000 In two days, we're gonna go home. We're gonna make 1:40:25.040 --> 1:40:29.080 this record. I was like, yes, we go home. He 1:40:29.160 --> 1:40:31.160 brings a little season and little Kim that I'm like, 1:40:31.320 --> 1:40:35.559 what's going on here, and then goes in the booth 1:40:35.600 --> 1:40:38.280 and does the verse. I was just like, oh, ship. 1:40:38.360 --> 1:40:40.599 And then he does his verse and then Kim. 1:40:40.840 --> 1:40:41.479 Talk about it. 1:40:42.360 --> 1:40:46.639 She just like it's crazy because if I was smarter 1:40:48.000 --> 1:40:50.400 back then, I would have left the ending of the 1:40:50.520 --> 1:40:54.040 song the way she ended it, because at the end 1:40:54.080 --> 1:40:55.920 of the song, I took out the words she was 1:40:55.960 --> 1:40:58.080 saying at the end, and at the end she said 1:40:58.760 --> 1:41:03.040 Clark can't fuck and I was just like, you can't sit, 1:41:03.080 --> 1:41:05.160 you can't stay, can't to get out. And I was 1:41:05.240 --> 1:41:07.680 just like, wait a minute. That was a moment. I 1:41:07.920 --> 1:41:13.960 walked up Clark, motherfucker who and I was just like, 1:41:14.200 --> 1:41:16.479 I didn't leave that in. I was like, I'm the dumbest, 1:41:16.640 --> 1:41:19.760 right now. But then but then the record happens, and 1:41:19.880 --> 1:41:23.400 I'm just like, yeah, that's all right. So but while 1:41:23.439 --> 1:41:25.600 we're on the tour buzz though, he goes back to 1:41:25.680 --> 1:41:28.439 the Sky's the Limit beat and he just starts singing 1:41:28.600 --> 1:41:32.400 to this ship and I'm just like, oh, he just wildly. 1:41:32.200 --> 1:41:35.000 Like he just gets it because as we hear it, 1:41:35.080 --> 1:41:36.880 Clark like what he heard for the first time is 1:41:36.920 --> 1:41:39.120 as we hear it finished product like the beat. 1:41:39.439 --> 1:41:45.960 Like exactly the way it happens is exactly the way 1:41:46.000 --> 1:41:48.599 I gave it to him. And like he goes back 1:41:48.640 --> 1:41:50.600 to it because he's like, yo, I need this, and 1:41:50.960 --> 1:41:53.280 you know, we're not really paying attention, but I'm hearing 1:41:53.360 --> 1:41:57.880 him going god, you know, and I was just like what, 1:42:00.600 --> 1:42:03.080 just like this, dude, But I was just like, dog, 1:42:03.320 --> 1:42:07.840 that's Acanelli's record. Yeah, But he's like so wants it 1:42:08.080 --> 1:42:10.760 so bad that I go back and I go to Acanelly. 1:42:10.800 --> 1:42:13.000 I was like, dog, you're really gonna use this record? 1:42:13.040 --> 1:42:15.080 He was like, hell, yeah, Clock, how much is it? 1:42:15.479 --> 1:42:17.320 And I told him and he was just like yo, Clock, 1:42:17.360 --> 1:42:19.640 he trying to buy a car on me. And I 1:42:19.840 --> 1:42:23.360 was like what, Like, Dog, like you know, I made 1:42:23.400 --> 1:42:25.360 records and you know, I make records like this is 1:42:26.000 --> 1:42:29.599 like I'm and he just like he didn't really want 1:42:29.640 --> 1:42:30.960 to pay for it. So I was just like, yo, 1:42:31.000 --> 1:42:32.960 biggie ca it. He was like, yeah, you gotta hold 1:42:33.000 --> 1:42:36.479 it though, and I'm thinking hold it for what And 1:42:36.560 --> 1:42:39.400 he was like, oh, trust me, trust me, you gotta 1:42:39.400 --> 1:42:41.600 hold it. I did not know he's thinking two and 1:42:41.600 --> 1:42:43.040 a half. He is down the line it's gonna be 1:42:43.120 --> 1:42:45.320 on your next album. I'm thinking that's somewhere on Junior 1:42:45.360 --> 1:42:47.759 Manthia's album. But he was just like, yeah, you gotta 1:42:47.840 --> 1:42:51.120 you gotta hold it. But he had the hook after 1:42:51.280 --> 1:42:53.840 like two hours. But he was singing it to himself. 1:42:53.880 --> 1:42:56.000 He wasn't necessarily saying it's going to be the hook. 1:42:56.000 --> 1:42:58.040 He was singing it like he could sing it to it. 1:42:59.080 --> 1:43:03.080 But I'm listening to it, going wow, if that's the hook, 1:43:04.560 --> 1:43:08.240 you know. And it just went that way. And when 1:43:08.280 --> 1:43:10.200 it came time to mix that, the record came back 1:43:10.280 --> 1:43:12.920 from Bad Boys Studio and it had one twelve on 1:43:13.000 --> 1:43:14.799 it and I was like, oh, this shit is beautiful. 1:43:15.680 --> 1:43:17.720 But I respected what he did so much, and it 1:43:17.840 --> 1:43:19.200 was on the tape that I just let it be 1:43:19.520 --> 1:43:22.040 in the beat. Like if you listen to Brooklyn's fine 1:43:22.080 --> 1:43:27.880 as Biggie. Every time the record goes like on certain hooks, 1:43:28.160 --> 1:43:31.200 Biggie's doing that shit like Biggie's in the background going. 1:43:33.000 --> 1:43:34.519 I was just like, yeah, I gotta leave it, I 1:43:34.560 --> 1:43:35.280 gotta leave it there. 1:43:36.240 --> 1:43:38.160 It just hit me, Clark, you got to tell me. 1:43:38.360 --> 1:43:42.639 Speaking of the early days of Rockefeller, can you please 1:43:42.800 --> 1:43:46.080 share your many Dame battles, Like I know that Dame 1:43:46.880 --> 1:43:52.519 is a proud Harlem night and you are from the 1:43:52.560 --> 1:43:55.720 borough of Brooklyn. Yeah, but can you please share the 1:43:55.840 --> 1:44:01.680 story of the bet of the Freshest, which basically, you 1:44:01.760 --> 1:44:04.080 know there's there's there's a whole slew of people that 1:44:04.280 --> 1:44:08.080 know you strictly not for music before sneakers. 1:44:08.560 --> 1:44:09.559 Oh okay, the intro. 1:44:12.120 --> 1:44:13.080 Please share this story. 1:44:13.960 --> 1:44:16.920 Dame does a whole one to traveling with with Jay 1:44:17.040 --> 1:44:20.880 and all of that, and you know, he comes back 1:44:20.920 --> 1:44:22.400 and he was like, Clark, I'm frsh than you. And 1:44:22.479 --> 1:44:26.400 I was like, yeah, I right, whatever, And he goes, now, 1:44:26.479 --> 1:44:28.400 wear new best niggas every day. I said, I've been 1:44:28.479 --> 1:44:31.840 doing that since you met me. Nah, I bet, I bet, 1:44:32.080 --> 1:44:34.160 he says, I bet. You can't wear brand new pist 1:44:34.240 --> 1:44:37.320 niggas every day for a year. So I was like, 1:44:37.920 --> 1:44:39.880 what do you want to bet? Because in my mind, 1:44:39.880 --> 1:44:43.280 I'm like, that's an instant loss. Right, So he was like, 1:44:43.320 --> 1:44:44.840 I bet you. I can't even remember what the bet 1:44:45.000 --> 1:44:48.600 was for. I had to be something stupid, but I 1:44:48.720 --> 1:44:51.280 made the bet and I wore brand new pists niggas 1:44:51.320 --> 1:44:54.920 every day. The good part was it was at Rockefeller Office, 1:44:55.080 --> 1:44:58.840 so every day he got the paint and the like 1:44:59.240 --> 1:45:02.880 and we worked document this Like no, it was just 1:45:03.880 --> 1:45:08.080 a shit talking between me and him. He knew how 1:45:08.200 --> 1:45:14.679 to ring your like to twist your stomach like shit 1:45:14.760 --> 1:45:16.519 out of you, and I'd be like, come on, dang, 1:45:16.600 --> 1:45:18.800 come on, dang. I was really one of the guys 1:45:18.840 --> 1:45:21.040 who could ignore dame that just one time it just 1:45:21.080 --> 1:45:23.920 went too far and he was like, you're scared. You scared. 1:45:24.000 --> 1:45:27.800 I'm scared. Like I've been doing this since you met me. 1:45:28.040 --> 1:45:30.760 You were eighteen nineteen when I met you, and I've 1:45:30.800 --> 1:45:33.120 been this guy, like what makes you think is going 1:45:33.200 --> 1:45:35.320 to change now? Because you got some money and bought 1:45:35.640 --> 1:45:37.560 every sneaker you saw on the way when you was 1:45:37.600 --> 1:45:39.720 on the road, Like, I really have everything that you 1:45:39.840 --> 1:45:41.880 buy and now I have it already, or I had 1:45:41.920 --> 1:45:44.479 the original to what you like, so stop, you got 1:45:44.600 --> 1:45:48.040 to stop. But he just was talking shit and talking 1:45:48.080 --> 1:45:51.639 shit and I just was like I bet and he lost. 1:45:53.920 --> 1:45:56.920 And you couldn't repeat a pair at all in a year's. 1:45:56.680 --> 1:46:00.519 Time, brand new pair sneakers every day a new pair 1:46:00.720 --> 1:46:05.679 or just a fresh like brand new pair. So even 1:46:05.760 --> 1:46:07.680 if I wore white on whites four month straight, every 1:46:07.760 --> 1:46:09.040 day to white and white had to be a brand 1:46:09.080 --> 1:46:15.960 new pair. O. Wait, think about this to me, right, 1:46:16.720 --> 1:46:18.280 if you came to my crib and you saw four 1:46:18.360 --> 1:46:20.760 thousand pairs of sneakers, why would it seem like it's 1:46:20.800 --> 1:46:22.400 hard to do it? Right? 1:46:22.439 --> 1:46:24.439 It's only three hundred and sixty five days. 1:46:24.920 --> 1:46:27.720 Right, So if I didn't buy any sneakers, I could 1:46:27.760 --> 1:46:29.120 have done it. I could have done it for like 1:46:30.000 --> 1:46:34.200 ten years. It's been like twelve years, maybe fifteen years. 1:46:34.880 --> 1:46:36.320 You still apply this rule. 1:46:36.840 --> 1:46:39.560 Oh yeah, I don't win. I don't wear sneakers like 1:46:40.920 --> 1:46:42.120 I'm sorry where they go? 1:46:42.560 --> 1:46:43.960 Yeah? What side? What size are you? 1:46:44.439 --> 1:46:45.600 I'll take your leftovers. 1:46:46.479 --> 1:46:48.080 I'm a thirteen, but I give him away. 1:46:48.160 --> 1:46:50.120 Well, Steve, you're you're you're out of luck. 1:46:50.160 --> 1:46:52.960 There's no way I'm not out of luck. Ask quest. 1:46:53.040 --> 1:46:57.200 He knows you're a same size, yes, I take quests leftovers. 1:46:57.520 --> 1:46:59.600 You know, you know how bad I am, Like a 1:46:59.760 --> 1:47:03.040 rare air of morek and Mendy's. I just let Steve 1:47:03.120 --> 1:47:03.479 have them. 1:47:03.760 --> 1:47:04.920 That is fascinating. 1:47:05.080 --> 1:47:08.040 And here's the thing. You probably let them have them 1:47:08.200 --> 1:47:10.439 because it didn't like affect you a certain way. 1:47:11.360 --> 1:47:13.080 Well at one point, it's just ridiculous. 1:47:13.280 --> 1:47:15.080 And you know, I was just like, okay, you. 1:47:15.479 --> 1:47:17.920 You have a you have a pair of sneakers that 1:47:18.040 --> 1:47:20.640 you didn't wear that was given to you during the 1:47:20.680 --> 1:47:22.680 Air Force one twenty fifth anniversary, and I. 1:47:22.800 --> 1:47:24.160 Know I will never wear those. 1:47:24.400 --> 1:47:27.320 Oh, you got to give them to me. Oh you 1:47:27.439 --> 1:47:29.439 talk I'm talking about the crock joints, right, You're talking 1:47:29.439 --> 1:47:32.880 about the crock joints, the white with the one white 1:47:32.920 --> 1:47:36.720 and orange croc ones, their snake with a croc strike. Yeah, 1:47:37.720 --> 1:47:41.000 you have to give them to me. Oh like, like 1:47:41.120 --> 1:47:43.839 how I got you? How I got you? The Essels? 1:47:44.080 --> 1:47:45.479 Can we talk? Are be getting to Nike? 1:47:45.640 --> 1:47:48.200 Because I just want to know the beginning of the relationship, 1:47:48.240 --> 1:47:50.439 when the romance, when y'all fell in love with each other, 1:47:50.479 --> 1:47:51.920 and how y'all fell in love with each other? 1:47:52.160 --> 1:47:57.960 No, Clark was like and Clark Nike and Clark. 1:47:58.080 --> 1:48:05.880 Oh goodbye, oh yo. When you said that with the 1:48:06.000 --> 1:48:10.200 vigor of an angry black mother. If you don't get. 1:48:12.320 --> 1:48:15.559 Because Clark said he didn't did eighty five shoes with Nike, and. 1:48:15.600 --> 1:48:17.200 I just didn't. 1:48:17.320 --> 1:48:21.080 You didn't differentiate the U. So I'm thinking, like, okay, 1:48:21.160 --> 1:48:24.200 you you exaggerated a lot like it, but okay, I'll 1:48:24.240 --> 1:48:24.560 go with this. 1:48:25.040 --> 1:48:26.760 Do you know why he I do? I do want 1:48:26.760 --> 1:48:28.400 to know why he picked you as well to get 1:48:28.439 --> 1:48:31.599 with Nike. We'll get to that. I want to know that, yes, yes, yes, Well. 1:48:32.120 --> 1:48:34.400 When the twenty fifth anniversary of Air Force one was 1:48:34.520 --> 1:48:37.400 about to happen, they had some ideas and there was 1:48:37.479 --> 1:48:40.640 this dinner and like they invited me to dinner and 1:48:40.760 --> 1:48:42.519 asked if they could borrow some of my shoes for 1:48:42.640 --> 1:48:44.640 this big exhibit. But it was going to show like 1:48:45.000 --> 1:48:47.320 maybe two thousand pair Air Force ones at a party? 1:48:47.960 --> 1:48:52.439 When did you first know that sneaker collecting wasn't art? 1:48:53.680 --> 1:48:57.920 It level, It wasn't an art, it was it was corny. 1:48:57.960 --> 1:48:59.479 And I got looked at like I was corny, like 1:48:59.640 --> 1:49:02.519 Damon and who I would end up battling one day. 1:49:02.920 --> 1:49:04.800 First time he came to my crib, he was like cluck, 1:49:05.040 --> 1:49:07.760 what the fuck is all these sneakers? I said, it's 1:49:07.840 --> 1:49:09.640 just the way I stay fresh. And he looked at 1:49:09.680 --> 1:49:13.639 me like, dog, this is weird. And he would be like, girls, 1:49:13.680 --> 1:49:15.120 come to your crib with this shit here, and I 1:49:15.280 --> 1:49:18.640 was like yeah, and he was just like cluck, you 1:49:18.760 --> 1:49:21.200 got a crib full of fresh, He said, that shit 1:49:21.240 --> 1:49:24.599 because I had every Markie can and I had every 1:49:25.200 --> 1:49:27.599 North Beach leather, I had every good pad of jeans, 1:49:27.640 --> 1:49:29.880 I had every good sweatshirts and teeth like, and I 1:49:29.920 --> 1:49:32.640 would overdo everything, so he would just he came to 1:49:32.680 --> 1:49:34.800 my crib and was just like this doesn't even make sense, 1:49:34.880 --> 1:49:37.519 like how could anyone have this much fresh? And this 1:49:37.640 --> 1:49:40.599 is when he's nineteen, so he's just like this shit 1:49:40.720 --> 1:49:42.360 is wild. I said, well, if you look at the 1:49:42.400 --> 1:49:44.719 erahere I come from, that's what we did. We stayed 1:49:44.720 --> 1:49:46.560 as fresh as possible. And he was just like, no, 1:49:46.680 --> 1:49:50.560 I get it, I said, he said, but this is ridiculous, 1:49:51.200 --> 1:49:54.280 you know. So it was the thing happened when I 1:49:54.400 --> 1:49:56.479 was nine. My uncle gave me a pair of prokeads, 1:49:56.520 --> 1:49:58.720 and when I walked outside of the prokeads, the whole 1:49:58.760 --> 1:50:01.439 block was like, you know, you got prokeads, Like all 1:50:01.520 --> 1:50:04.280 the sixteen seventeen year olds were like, you got prokeeads 1:50:04.800 --> 1:50:07.040 And I was like, yeah, it's my first name brand sneaker. 1:50:07.120 --> 1:50:09.639 But they were like, yo, but you got them yet 1:50:09.800 --> 1:50:12.400 you're a young boy. And I felt like I had 1:50:12.439 --> 1:50:16.360 a car. And it was addictive. So we would do 1:50:17.000 --> 1:50:19.600 odd jobs for all of the older people on the 1:50:19.640 --> 1:50:22.880 block and they would give give Like me and my cousin, 1:50:22.960 --> 1:50:24.720 Market would do these jobs and they would give us 1:50:24.720 --> 1:50:28.160 ten dollars a piece. Back then, prokeds were nine dollars 1:50:28.240 --> 1:50:30.360 at the flea market and to get to the flea 1:50:30.439 --> 1:50:33.639 market was fifty cent, So you got fifty cent out 1:50:33.640 --> 1:50:35.320 of this ten dollars, you get to the flea market, 1:50:35.360 --> 1:50:37.920 buy nine dollar there sneakers, and then that other fifty 1:50:38.000 --> 1:50:40.040 cent is you risking your life to get back with 1:50:40.120 --> 1:50:44.799 the sneakers. So that's when it started. It started because 1:50:44.840 --> 1:50:47.360 the block was like, oh, the older guys on the 1:50:47.439 --> 1:50:49.400 block that you know, they looked out for us all 1:50:49.439 --> 1:50:52.280 the time, but now it's like I'm almost parallel to them, 1:50:52.479 --> 1:50:54.560 and I wanted to be as cool as them. So 1:50:54.760 --> 1:50:57.240 it was like, oh, well, every weekend, I'm going to 1:50:57.280 --> 1:51:00.280 either buy records, I'm going to buy sneakers, and then 1:51:00.320 --> 1:51:03.720 it became, oh, I need to have Gaberdine's, I need 1:51:03.840 --> 1:51:06.160 to have Lee's with the with the I need to 1:51:06.240 --> 1:51:09.200 have colored leaves. I need to have BBDs, I need 1:51:09.280 --> 1:51:11.639 to have Nylons. I need to have a J Lester's. 1:51:11.680 --> 1:51:13.719 I need to have British Walkers. I need to have Playors, 1:51:13.720 --> 1:51:16.280 I need to have everything. And it became like an 1:51:16.320 --> 1:51:19.960 addiction from when I was really young because the older 1:51:20.040 --> 1:51:23.600 guys accepted me with the playboys and I mean with 1:51:23.840 --> 1:51:27.960 with with the Prokeads, and it just was like, oh, oh, 1:51:28.280 --> 1:51:30.680 I'm gonna go hard, and I went super hard. So 1:51:30.880 --> 1:51:33.280 every dollar I made, fifty cent went to records and 1:51:33.360 --> 1:51:35.240 fifty cent went to being fresh. 1:51:35.479 --> 1:51:37.040 So then what happened with you one night. 1:51:37.439 --> 1:51:39.920 That that Nike wasn't even the sneakers back then, like 1:51:40.040 --> 1:51:45.200 the sneakers Prokeads and Pumas and Adidas what I'm saying, like, 1:51:45.640 --> 1:51:47.760 and Clyde to us was a superhero. To have a 1:51:47.840 --> 1:51:49.600 pair of sneakers with his name on the side of 1:51:49.920 --> 1:51:52.960 gold was like, that's the ultimate sneaker back then was 1:51:53.000 --> 1:51:56.680 Clyde's you know what I'm saying. Wow, Yeah, So that's 1:51:56.720 --> 1:51:59.519 what we were doing and then when Nikes really really happened. 1:52:00.360 --> 1:52:02.920 The thing that made me go over the top for 1:52:03.040 --> 1:52:05.360 Nike was when Air Force Ones happened. And I was 1:52:05.439 --> 1:52:09.000 playing city Wide Basketball and Elmcore Basketball, and we would 1:52:09.680 --> 1:52:11.160 our team was good, so we would get to go 1:52:11.240 --> 1:52:13.960 to other cities to play against other cities. And in 1:52:14.120 --> 1:52:19.960 Baltimore I saw air Force ones were actually in Queens. 1:52:20.080 --> 1:52:22.760 We played at Baisley Park and this Nike rep came 1:52:22.840 --> 1:52:25.840 and told us to try these shoes. So we tried 1:52:25.880 --> 1:52:28.519 the shoes. That's what they did. They would they would 1:52:28.520 --> 1:52:30.559 go to tournaments and watch kids playing be like, hey, 1:52:30.600 --> 1:52:32.640 try these shoes, and they gave me these shoes and 1:52:32.720 --> 1:52:35.400 I just thought they were beautiful, so I just stuck 1:52:35.439 --> 1:52:39.920 them in my bag. It's the Air Force. Yeah, it's 1:52:39.960 --> 1:52:42.559 funny because now looking back at it, we would call 1:52:42.640 --> 1:52:45.280 those Air Force zeros because they didn't have no holes 1:52:45.320 --> 1:52:47.160 in the in the front of the shoes. 1:52:47.600 --> 1:52:51.080 Yo, So you gave me are the first year Air 1:52:51.160 --> 1:52:54.840 Force zeros? He gave me a red and white first 1:52:54.960 --> 1:52:56.599 year Air Force one. 1:52:57.080 --> 1:53:01.200 Oh okay, yeah, but they didn't have holes at the top. No, 1:53:01.960 --> 1:53:04.120 right then, Yeah, those were zeros to us, we call 1:53:04.200 --> 1:53:10.160 them zero. That was fun they were from that time. Yeah, Clark, 1:53:10.320 --> 1:53:15.360 thank you. We were all. You know, I really had 1:53:15.479 --> 1:53:19.680 like lots of sneakers and I had everything in so 1:53:19.880 --> 1:53:22.000 when they were coming up with this Air Force twenty five, 1:53:22.520 --> 1:53:25.680 they were like, we don't have everything, so let's go 1:53:25.760 --> 1:53:27.760 to the guy who has everything and let's, you know, 1:53:28.400 --> 1:53:30.400 give them give him some money and let him curate 1:53:30.479 --> 1:53:32.519 the the amount of pairs of sneakers that we have 1:53:32.640 --> 1:53:34.439 that were going to put on this wall for this event. 1:53:35.000 --> 1:53:37.320 So they did. They borrowed a bunch of stuff. But 1:53:37.400 --> 1:53:40.000 in the meeting, they were just like, what do you 1:53:40.040 --> 1:53:42.120 think should happened with air Force one? And I was like, 1:53:42.240 --> 1:53:44.560 y'all should make an air Force one store. And you 1:53:44.600 --> 1:53:46.599 could see the people in the in the meeting going 1:53:46.720 --> 1:53:48.880 like this because they already had an idea to do 1:53:48.960 --> 1:53:50.599 the Air Force. I said, but you need to make 1:53:51.160 --> 1:53:54.200 I D Nike ID. You need to make the ship unlimited. 1:53:54.479 --> 1:53:55.680 And they were like what do you mean. I said, 1:53:55.720 --> 1:53:57.600 you make you need to make something called VI P 1:53:57.880 --> 1:54:00.960 I D. And they were like, okay, could you stop? 1:54:01.800 --> 1:54:03.160 And I was like okay, cool, and they were like, 1:54:03.240 --> 1:54:04.559 you have a lawyer, and I was like, of course, 1:54:04.560 --> 1:54:07.360 I have a lawyer. Can you can you get him 1:54:07.479 --> 1:54:10.000 on a phone or have him come down my lawyer, 1:54:10.400 --> 1:54:12.479 have my lawyer come down, and and and and the 1:54:12.600 --> 1:54:15.439 thing is the guy who said it was a black guy. 1:54:15.560 --> 1:54:18.040 So it's almost like he was saying, let me protect, 1:54:19.120 --> 1:54:23.080 let me protect protect Nick right, and and he could 1:54:23.120 --> 1:54:26.519 see that. The conversation made me like yeah, because I 1:54:26.640 --> 1:54:28.760 was about to go off, and he was just like give. 1:54:30.400 --> 1:54:32.200 He just like, do you have a lawyer? And I'm 1:54:32.240 --> 1:54:34.040 like yeah. So when he came, my lawyer came. He 1:54:34.160 --> 1:54:35.840 was like, we want to make him a consultant to 1:54:35.960 --> 1:54:40.520 help us build this air Force one store. And I 1:54:40.640 --> 1:54:43.040 was like, oh ship, I didn't know what that was. 1:54:43.280 --> 1:54:47.200 And then when the deal points came through, I was like, oh, 1:54:47.640 --> 1:54:51.640 they're dead serious. I was like and my lawyer is 1:54:51.680 --> 1:54:53.120 looking at me like do you want to do this? 1:54:53.320 --> 1:54:57.120 And I was like what. And the only thing, the 1:54:57.280 --> 1:54:59.200 only thing in my mind, I swear to God, this 1:54:59.200 --> 1:55:01.560 is gonna sound crazy. The only thing in my mind 1:55:01.800 --> 1:55:04.040 was I'm going to get to make a sneaker and 1:55:04.120 --> 1:55:10.200 shit on Barbito because Gabrido Barbido had this white pair 1:55:10.240 --> 1:55:12.720 air Force ones with a burgundy Swiss and his name 1:55:12.880 --> 1:55:16.560 was on the side and I was like how, like 1:55:16.680 --> 1:55:18.720 how and he was like he gave it to him. 1:55:19.000 --> 1:55:23.400 So I was just like, oh, oh commercial yeah. And 1:55:23.520 --> 1:55:25.600 the thing is like I went into the meeting the 1:55:25.760 --> 1:55:30.080 first official I'm working their meeting, and like the first 1:55:30.120 --> 1:55:32.080 thing I say before the meeting, can I make a sneaker? 1:55:32.560 --> 1:55:34.040 And they're looking at me like that's not what this 1:55:34.200 --> 1:55:36.200 is for. And we get into the meeting. We keep 1:55:36.240 --> 1:55:38.520 going to the twenty minutes and can I make a sneaker? 1:55:38.720 --> 1:55:41.760 They're like, we're trying to build a store, We're trying 1:55:41.800 --> 1:55:45.280 to come up with ideas. You're doing well, going on 1:55:45.600 --> 1:55:48.320 forty minutes. Every twenty minutes, I'm like, can I make 1:55:48.320 --> 1:55:50.720 a sneaker? Can I make a sneaker? I just want 1:55:50.760 --> 1:55:53.120 to make one sneaker, like literally saying I just want 1:55:53.160 --> 1:55:55.200 to make one sneaker. By the end of the meeting, 1:55:56.000 --> 1:55:58.800 after Chambers says, let me go sit you down with 1:55:58.920 --> 1:56:03.040 Ma Delcha and I said, with my dote, and Mandte says, 1:56:03.080 --> 1:56:05.480 what do you have in mind? And I come up 1:56:05.520 --> 1:56:07.600 with I tell him what I want the sneaker to be. 1:56:07.720 --> 1:56:09.120 But I did it in like a minute and a 1:56:09.160 --> 1:56:11.080 half and he was like, you really had this idea. 1:56:11.120 --> 1:56:13.480 I was like, yes, I said, I only need one pair, 1:56:13.760 --> 1:56:15.680 and I need it. I just put my name on 1:56:15.760 --> 1:56:19.240 the side of shit, that's all one pair. So he's like, 1:56:19.800 --> 1:56:22.680 he's like what. I was like, yeah, only one pair. 1:56:22.840 --> 1:56:24.800 He was like, no, this is really good. And then 1:56:24.840 --> 1:56:27.680 he calls Astor, and then he calls the product line 1:56:27.760 --> 1:56:30.320 manager and the guy who was leading the team, and 1:56:30.720 --> 1:56:33.320 everybody in the room is like, no, that's really good. 1:56:33.960 --> 1:56:36.520 And they then Astor says to one of you know, 1:56:36.760 --> 1:56:38.760 air Force one's a part of the one's pack and 1:56:38.880 --> 1:56:42.480 I was like whatever. He's like, do you like Airmax one? 1:56:42.560 --> 1:56:45.400 I said, second favorite sneaker? Wow? 1:56:45.680 --> 1:56:45.840 Right. 1:56:46.440 --> 1:56:48.240 He says, what would you do to air Max one? 1:56:48.360 --> 1:56:50.640 Boom boom boom am Max one is finished two minutes 1:56:50.640 --> 1:56:53.640 and they're looking at me like, oh, he's really ready. 1:56:54.120 --> 1:56:55.320 And I was like, but you got to change the 1:56:55.360 --> 1:56:57.040 color of the elephant print so it's different than the 1:56:57.080 --> 1:56:59.840 air Force one. And they were like okay, So they did. 1:57:00.160 --> 1:57:02.720 Shit looked amazing. They were like, what about a trainer one. 1:57:03.160 --> 1:57:06.440 I was like that. She was like, They're like, oh, 1:57:06.520 --> 1:57:08.080 you don't like it. I said, it's not that I 1:57:08.120 --> 1:57:10.240 don't like it, it's just that I wouldn't necessarily be 1:57:10.400 --> 1:57:12.600 like I want to make that, but they said, but 1:57:12.880 --> 1:57:15.200 what would you do? And then I did it? And 1:57:15.280 --> 1:57:17.920 then Astor says it louder. He goes, that's a one 1:57:18.040 --> 1:57:20.760 pack and I'm like, fuck, is the one pack? He said, 1:57:20.760 --> 1:57:23.160 you remember those air Force ones that said gray ones 1:57:24.040 --> 1:57:25.640 And I was like yeah. He said, remember there was 1:57:25.680 --> 1:57:27.640 an air Force one and the Airtrainer one that looked 1:57:27.680 --> 1:57:30.240 just like it. I was like yeah. He goes, that's 1:57:30.320 --> 1:57:32.240 a one pack. He said, this is the one pack. 1:57:32.480 --> 1:57:34.640 I was like, cool, I only want the air Force 1:57:34.720 --> 1:57:40.280 one and they're like he's saying to me, He's like Clark, 1:57:40.360 --> 1:57:42.360 he's saying it quiet. He was like, clak. Now because 1:57:42.360 --> 1:57:45.360 some friends Woul asked the chambers before night. He's like, Clark, 1:57:46.440 --> 1:57:48.600 we feel like we could put this out and you 1:57:48.680 --> 1:57:50.520 can have a shoot this out. I was like, I 1:57:50.560 --> 1:57:53.600 don't need that. I need this shit on Bobby and 1:57:53.680 --> 1:57:57.480 he's like He's like he was like, you're not understanding 1:57:57.520 --> 1:58:01.640 that this is Stiller. Yeah. I was like no, no, 1:58:02.280 --> 1:58:05.080 but so he's going, so if you did this, what 1:58:05.160 --> 1:58:08.560 would you call it? I said, Brooklyn And they were like, Clark, 1:58:08.600 --> 1:58:12.880 could you because now I'm mad. I'm just like Brooklyn. 1:58:13.000 --> 1:58:15.360 He was like, he was like clock, and then he 1:58:15.480 --> 1:58:18.240 was like, can you can you express Brooklyn in a 1:58:18.320 --> 1:58:20.760 different way? And the first thing I thought was seven 1:58:20.760 --> 1:58:22.400 one eight, and then I was like no, because that 1:58:22.520 --> 1:58:25.200 means Queen Staten Island. And the box gets loved and 1:58:25.280 --> 1:58:28.280 I was like, oh, every zip code in Brooklyn starts 1:58:28.320 --> 1:58:30.320 with one, one two. I said, so one one too, 1:58:30.520 --> 1:58:33.880 and they were like, that's thinking. See clock, now you're thinking. 1:58:34.120 --> 1:58:36.360 And they was like, but now we got to connect 1:58:36.400 --> 1:58:38.080 it to you. I said, it is, it's from Brooklyn. 1:58:38.160 --> 1:58:39.560 It connects to me. He was like, no, we got 1:58:39.680 --> 1:58:41.760 to make something that when we see it we can 1:58:41.840 --> 1:58:44.240 go oh, that's how it connects. So they put the one, 1:58:45.200 --> 1:58:47.600 and inside they put a big one, and inside the 1:58:47.680 --> 1:58:51.560 one they put a telephone booth like that's where clock changes. Ah, 1:58:53.480 --> 1:58:55.480 And I was like, and they put the one because 1:58:55.480 --> 1:58:59.920 it's a ones pack. So that's that's that's where the 1:59:00.080 --> 1:59:02.760 logo that's inside the shoe comes from from. Enough of 1:59:02.840 --> 1:59:06.040 them being sick of me, and I'm like, yo, could 1:59:06.040 --> 1:59:07.200 you please come up with some ship? 1:59:07.440 --> 1:59:08.960 So what was Bobido's response. 1:59:09.680 --> 1:59:12.280 Barbido thought the shoe was fired especially because I give 1:59:12.360 --> 1:59:14.720 him a whole set, but I was just like, more like, 1:59:15.480 --> 1:59:19.160 this was really just a shit on you. But then 1:59:19.280 --> 1:59:21.440 he could literally go, yeah, but there's a lot of them, 1:59:21.440 --> 1:59:23.360 there's only one of these, and I was like, Okay, 1:59:23.760 --> 1:59:28.440 what the fucker. So after that, I made it my 1:59:28.600 --> 1:59:32.480 business to become friends with Tinker half Field and in 1:59:32.560 --> 1:59:35.840 the people in the kitchen so that I could do 1:59:36.000 --> 1:59:38.520 things in the kitchen that would be one of one. 1:59:39.200 --> 1:59:41.640 So I went in the kitchen. I mean I might 1:59:41.720 --> 1:59:43.640 have about thirty one of the ones out of the kitchen, 1:59:43.720 --> 1:59:45.680 but the first one I went right to Bobby and 1:59:45.800 --> 1:59:51.040 was like and it was so crazy that he just 1:59:51.120 --> 1:59:53.520 had to be like, oh, no, that's great. You know. 2:00:00.080 --> 2:00:01.440 What's your favorite Jordans cluck? 2:00:02.440 --> 2:00:04.800 My favorite At the top of the chart of all 2:00:04.920 --> 2:00:07.360 Jordan's is a tie between threes and eleven. 2:00:08.200 --> 2:00:12.160 I'm threes and fours. Those ones from me too, like threes, Yeah, yeah, 2:00:12.600 --> 2:00:13.080 you guys. 2:00:12.920 --> 2:00:15.960 Have narrow feet. Then I'm sorry, like didn't even start 2:00:16.000 --> 2:00:16.520 thinking about what. 2:00:16.840 --> 2:00:18.840 Actually they kind of give you a little room the 2:00:18.960 --> 2:00:19.880 war they actually do. 2:00:20.400 --> 2:00:23.160 Yeah, the ones that funk out of the ones, Nah, 2:00:23.280 --> 2:00:26.560 but I like it, But now I can't do the 2:00:26.640 --> 2:00:28.800 ones like ones and sixes. 2:00:29.000 --> 2:00:31.080 On the on the on the on the Jordan's scale, 2:00:31.200 --> 2:00:33.960 like Jordan one's a third. To me, what's crazy is 2:00:34.000 --> 2:00:36.240 I really have more Jordan ones than anything because they 2:00:36.320 --> 2:00:39.920 keep coming out with good ship, Like there's threes and 2:00:40.160 --> 2:00:42.200 elevens is a tie, and then it's ones, and then 2:00:42.240 --> 2:00:45.720 it's fours, and it's five. I love five. Five. 2:00:45.800 --> 2:00:49.200 So let me ask you. This house on fire, you're 2:00:49.200 --> 2:00:53.360 saving five of them joints, five sneakers. What are you saving? 2:00:53.640 --> 2:00:55.840 I'm only saving two because I'm getting my wife and 2:00:55.920 --> 2:00:56.760 my kids out first. 2:00:57.440 --> 2:01:00.320 Okay, all right, all right, the wife, he kids out, 2:01:00.680 --> 2:01:03.560 and then I can run in the house and get 2:01:03.600 --> 2:01:04.640 five pairs of sneakers. 2:01:05.120 --> 2:01:09.400 What is it. It's gonna sound weird to you, dog, 2:01:09.480 --> 2:01:11.560 but i'd be trying to get the records out. 2:01:12.640 --> 2:01:14.400 No it don't. It don't sound d do. 2:01:14.880 --> 2:01:18.360 Just give me the sneakers your top, all right, I'm 2:01:18.400 --> 2:01:19.920 destroying all your sneakers. 2:01:19.560 --> 2:01:23.360 But five, I'm gonna go get the folks. I'm gonna 2:01:23.400 --> 2:01:26.160 I mean the one of ones because they were they 2:01:26.200 --> 2:01:29.240 were they were meant and given and made for me. 2:01:29.880 --> 2:01:32.720 They weren't part of this mass production of shoes. Because 2:01:32.720 --> 2:01:34.680 I can get my favorite shoes are white on my 2:01:34.720 --> 2:01:36.640 air Force one. I can buy them ships all the time. 2:01:37.080 --> 2:01:40.200 And if if Nike decided, we will make sure that 2:01:40.280 --> 2:01:43.440 you have a brand new pair for of air Force 2:01:43.520 --> 2:01:45.080 ones for the rest of your life, of brand new 2:01:45.120 --> 2:01:47.600 every day. They could take what I got. I'm gonna 2:01:47.640 --> 2:01:51.240 admit this to you, Quests. You actually are the person 2:01:51.320 --> 2:01:54.400 that made me say, let me put a crock on 2:01:54.520 --> 2:01:55.000 my foot. 2:01:56.920 --> 2:01:59.800 You know what, ya the show's over? Thank you very 2:01:59.880 --> 2:02:00.240 much much. 2:02:00.280 --> 2:02:03.360 No, no, but but it wasn't a regular crock. It 2:02:03.440 --> 2:02:05.920 was a croc oh ship. 2:02:06.120 --> 2:02:08.280 Okay, so George is fresh. 2:02:08.640 --> 2:02:11.800 But I put it on and was like, oh, I understand. 2:02:12.120 --> 2:02:13.080 I wear him around the house. 2:02:13.960 --> 2:02:16.400 Oh you you're gonna wear him outside of the als eventually, 2:02:18.440 --> 2:02:24.120 probably not Croc, probably Mark Clark dog. 2:02:24.360 --> 2:02:26.920 You and I were on this journey together, brou I 2:02:27.080 --> 2:02:30.920 get it. And then one day I just got tired, 2:02:31.200 --> 2:02:35.920 like I just got tired of suffering just to be like, yo, 2:02:36.200 --> 2:02:38.480 what does he have on? I got tired, so I 2:02:38.520 --> 2:02:41.240 went to the opposite, which was what does he have on? 2:02:42.760 --> 2:02:42.880 Yo? 2:02:43.080 --> 2:02:46.480 These freaking fancy ass le crocs? Though, let's talk, I mean, 2:02:46.600 --> 2:02:47.640 did this ain't no regular? 2:02:48.200 --> 2:02:49.560 I had to look it up. I was gonna act 2:02:49.560 --> 2:02:52.040 like I knew what they was talking about. I did not. 2:02:53.440 --> 2:02:56.760 I'm kind of myth right now because I'm a product 2:02:56.800 --> 2:03:01.200 of Sean g So I I promised. 2:03:00.880 --> 2:03:02.360 You better follow that up with something good. 2:03:02.440 --> 2:03:04.600 Go ahead with me. No, no, no, I'm just saying 2:03:04.680 --> 2:03:09.640 that it's he is yet to steer me wrong. And 2:03:10.040 --> 2:03:12.520 he's always on me about knowing my worth and knowing 2:03:12.600 --> 2:03:16.200 my you know, my value and whatnot, because to be honest, 2:03:16.200 --> 2:03:19.000 I mean, the thing is is that Crock Ben offered 2:03:19.080 --> 2:03:23.640 me my own line. But Seawan's like, Sean's like no, 2:03:23.840 --> 2:03:26.920 dog Like, if it's not equity, I'm not talking to 2:03:27.000 --> 2:03:27.640 nobody else. 2:03:27.800 --> 2:03:29.480 Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, this is what we're doing. 2:03:29.600 --> 2:03:31.640 I was like, Sean, just please just let me do one. 2:03:32.120 --> 2:03:34.080 He's like no, because if I let you do one Crock, 2:03:34.560 --> 2:03:37.400 then you'll you'll give He's like, if it weren't, you 2:03:37.480 --> 2:03:41.560 would do everything for free, and business people would just 2:03:41.600 --> 2:03:44.120 take advantage, like a mirror DJ for free, a mere 2:03:44.200 --> 2:03:48.880 dinner for free. And so it's paining me right now 2:03:49.160 --> 2:03:52.120 that like the Crocks that I'm dreaming of designing, which 2:03:52.200 --> 2:03:54.840 is kind of on that level that he the lame 2:03:54.920 --> 2:03:58.240 that he's in right now. They just offer your year mold. 2:03:58.560 --> 2:04:01.280 You get bragging rights then, and you know you probably 2:04:01.280 --> 2:04:04.560 can leverage that to another company whatever. But you know, 2:04:04.800 --> 2:04:08.840 Crocs is kind of even aroun Timberland was, or like 2:04:09.520 --> 2:04:10.240 those companies. 2:04:10.960 --> 2:04:15.960 Okay, listen, personally, you can get I believe you can 2:04:16.000 --> 2:04:17.360 get an equity deal with Crocs. 2:04:17.960 --> 2:04:26.000 See word, because things are happening. That's it. That's all 2:04:26.040 --> 2:04:28.400 I can say, things are happening. I don't talk about 2:04:28.440 --> 2:04:29.680 something unless it's really happening. 2:04:29.760 --> 2:04:33.480 Okay, I believe you can. I know you can as 2:04:33.520 --> 2:04:35.760 a matter of fact, just because you know I work 2:04:35.920 --> 2:04:37.600 with the brands the way that I do. I know 2:04:37.840 --> 2:04:40.240 that let it, let it be what is gonna be. 2:04:40.400 --> 2:04:42.720 But I think it will happen for you. It will 2:04:42.800 --> 2:04:45.480 definitely happen. And that's the reason why. The reason why 2:04:45.640 --> 2:04:50.640 is because you're not the guy from the roots anymore. 2:04:52.520 --> 2:04:56.040 You're you're you're You're not like you would a guy 2:04:56.080 --> 2:04:58.920 from the roots. Until Jimmy Fallon happened, and then it 2:04:59.040 --> 2:05:02.360 was like a nah, nah, that's not the guy from Roops. 2:05:02.800 --> 2:05:05.760 That's the guy who is the music director, that's the 2:05:05.800 --> 2:05:07.480 guy who did the Oscars that's the guy who did 2:05:07.480 --> 2:05:09.120 the Grammys. That's the guy who did MTV. That's the 2:05:09.120 --> 2:05:11.280 guy who did He was the guy who's playing on 2:05:11.360 --> 2:05:14.080 stage with Davy, Like he's that guy. You're not just 2:05:14.240 --> 2:05:17.480 the guy from the roops, like you're you're another monster. 2:05:17.680 --> 2:05:21.400 And because you do so much and never stop, the 2:05:21.600 --> 2:05:25.800 thing would be to get you. So if you're giving 2:05:25.840 --> 2:05:29.640 it away for free, which I am begging anyone who 2:05:29.720 --> 2:05:32.080 does anything with a brand, don't give it away for free. 2:05:33.200 --> 2:05:36.600 You need to understand who you are in the game. 2:05:37.280 --> 2:05:40.360 Because if you understand who you are, then you understand 2:05:40.800 --> 2:05:44.600 that if if you walk in the door, it fixes them. 2:05:44.760 --> 2:05:46.440 All you gotta do is walk in the door because 2:05:46.480 --> 2:05:49.560 if they get a picture like it fixes them. So 2:05:49.800 --> 2:05:52.520 the idea is, let me do what I want to do. 2:05:52.920 --> 2:05:56.440 Ce Slea. He is a designer of shoes, so a 2:05:56.560 --> 2:05:59.640 deal like that is more. It could be Cachet for him, 2:06:00.360 --> 2:06:03.280 Like he also was a designer of a sa Chi. 2:06:03.680 --> 2:06:05.920 You know what I'm saying. He designed for yeas he 2:06:06.040 --> 2:06:12.360 designed forever. He's like he's not regularly good, Like he's amazing, 2:06:13.080 --> 2:06:15.000 even though sometimes you might not get it when you 2:06:15.080 --> 2:06:16.640 see it. Like I looked at the crocs and was 2:06:16.680 --> 2:06:19.960 like like immediately was like, oh, that's his fingerprint, and 2:06:19.960 --> 2:06:22.240 people are looking at me like talking about I was like, 2:06:22.480 --> 2:06:26.440 look at it looks like a fingerprint. Oh ship. Yeah, 2:06:27.200 --> 2:06:30.200 Like so his mind is on some other ship, like 2:06:30.320 --> 2:06:34.000 your mind is on some other ship. So if you 2:06:34.200 --> 2:06:36.880 if you want to do it, and you you know you, 2:06:37.200 --> 2:06:40.360 I'm sure you totally understand your your your cachet. And 2:06:40.520 --> 2:06:42.800 because of that, they will they will do it with you. 2:06:42.920 --> 2:06:44.560 You will get an equity deal with them. 2:06:44.960 --> 2:06:48.800 How do you feel about the design game now, especially 2:06:48.840 --> 2:06:52.720 in light of what is going on with certain figures. 2:06:56.120 --> 2:07:06.840 Oh god, I think first being able to dignify the 2:07:06.920 --> 2:07:11.680 word designed properly is most important. Not just I went 2:07:11.760 --> 2:07:14.120 in and I colored up some shoes or I went 2:07:14.200 --> 2:07:16.680 in and uh and uh and and I told the 2:07:16.760 --> 2:07:21.680 story on the shoe. Like that's mocking up, that's reappropriating, 2:07:21.920 --> 2:07:23.240 you know what I'm saying. But like, can you go 2:07:23.360 --> 2:07:25.320 in and design and shoot from the ground up? That's 2:07:25.360 --> 2:07:28.480 the lady, you know what I'm saying. That's different. He 2:07:29.720 --> 2:07:32.760 like what he did at Asaji is different. He made 2:07:32.840 --> 2:07:37.200 a shoe that people if they didn't like, like he 2:07:37.280 --> 2:07:40.920 made people by Thesachi sneakers again. People weren't even thinking that, 2:07:41.240 --> 2:07:43.240 but he did something that was cool to the street, 2:07:43.560 --> 2:07:45.480 and they went on and board it again. And then 2:07:45.520 --> 2:07:47.120 he took that cashe and was like, well, let me 2:07:47.160 --> 2:07:48.840 go over here and show you some other ship. And 2:07:48.960 --> 2:07:50.160 let me go over here and you show you so 2:07:50.240 --> 2:07:51.640 much shit. Let me go over here and show you 2:07:51.720 --> 2:07:53.920 some other went to New Balance and put a fucking 2:07:53.960 --> 2:07:59.000 whistle on a sneak. He's some other ship, you know 2:07:59.040 --> 2:08:02.400 what I'm saying. So the design thing, if you're designing, 2:08:02.840 --> 2:08:06.120 like purely you can draw the shit like that's amazing. 2:08:06.200 --> 2:08:08.640 But if you're just getting to work on some shoes 2:08:08.640 --> 2:08:12.120 and reappropriate, I personally put myself in that category, like 2:08:12.200 --> 2:08:16.480 I'm just really good at reappropriating some shoes. I'm not 2:08:16.640 --> 2:08:20.480 calling myself a designer. The word gets thrown around too much. 2:08:20.920 --> 2:08:25.360 And you know, you design music. I could say I 2:08:25.480 --> 2:08:28.880 design music. I could say I designed soundscapes. But if 2:08:28.920 --> 2:08:30.880 I say I designed a sneaker, that means I should 2:08:30.880 --> 2:08:33.080 be able to draw a new one from the ground bag. 2:08:33.800 --> 2:08:36.120 And I'm the first one who'll be like, oh, I 2:08:36.160 --> 2:08:39.840 can't do that shit. And the only way I'd be 2:08:39.880 --> 2:08:41.600 able to get to that point is, if I gave 2:08:41.680 --> 2:08:44.840 them the ten thousand hours of trying to figure it out, 2:08:46.240 --> 2:08:46.440 you know. 2:08:46.600 --> 2:08:48.600 A quest can make ice sculptures. 2:08:49.000 --> 2:08:51.000 I've seen that, Steve. 2:08:52.040 --> 2:08:54.400 So what's going on in the design game is like, well, 2:08:54.600 --> 2:08:58.360 are you really a designer or not? I believe. I 2:08:58.840 --> 2:09:01.560 believe that if quests go in, he's going to be 2:09:01.600 --> 2:09:03.960 able to look at a crow, turn it into some 2:09:04.080 --> 2:09:07.960 other ship and it'll be amazing because his mind thinks 2:09:08.080 --> 2:09:10.160 like a creator like I did. 2:09:10.120 --> 2:09:11.920 That night he shoot that he made though first, because 2:09:11.920 --> 2:09:14.120 I'm like, wait a minute, and let's think when there 2:09:14.200 --> 2:09:16.240 was some colors and some designs on that. Remember that shoe, 2:09:16.240 --> 2:09:19.240 it was some reds and greens, different things going on. 2:09:19.560 --> 2:09:21.760 That was my first one. There's red greens, there's the 2:09:21.800 --> 2:09:23.440 gold version that was. 2:09:24.960 --> 2:09:27.880 Not I mean, you know it's I think he was 2:09:27.960 --> 2:09:30.240 expressing himself and I think he had a good job. 2:09:30.520 --> 2:09:33.160 And the thing is the perfect thing about that sneaker 2:09:33.360 --> 2:09:37.440 was it wasn't mass produced, so it was you really 2:09:37.480 --> 2:09:39.480 gotta like this, you know what I'm saying. You really 2:09:39.520 --> 2:09:41.440 gotta like it, and if you like it, then you 2:09:41.640 --> 2:09:44.040 get it once you see it, you know what I'm saying. 2:09:44.120 --> 2:09:45.960 So or once it's in front of you, you get it. 2:09:46.200 --> 2:09:49.800 But like because it came out in a time when 2:09:49.920 --> 2:09:52.480 hype was was was really being some ship. Like it's 2:09:52.520 --> 2:09:55.080 people who got the shoe who didn't understand, you know 2:09:55.120 --> 2:09:57.280 what I'm saying. They might love the shoot, but they 2:09:57.360 --> 2:09:59.200 love the shoe because of the height instead of loving 2:09:59.240 --> 2:10:01.440 the shoe. For did you see what he did? Did 2:10:01.520 --> 2:10:03.520 you see he flipped the elephant print on two shoes? 2:10:03.640 --> 2:10:05.440 Like you didn't see that? You missed it. 2:10:06.000 --> 2:10:09.840 There's a lot of nuances that sneaker heads get that 2:10:10.120 --> 2:10:12.680 regular heads or just like I missed that one. Yeah, 2:10:12.720 --> 2:10:15.360 well sometimes it was a lot of underground code to it. 2:10:15.560 --> 2:10:17.720 Sometimes you got to explain the underground code so that 2:10:17.800 --> 2:10:20.640 the regular heads can even know that the archit I 2:10:20.720 --> 2:10:21.120 know you can't. 2:10:21.160 --> 2:10:24.480 I feel like going sometimes like only for certain. 2:10:25.920 --> 2:10:28.080 But I mean when I made one one two, when 2:10:28.120 --> 2:10:29.720 I did the one one too, all I ever said 2:10:29.840 --> 2:10:32.280 was it represents workland, and then I let people go 2:10:32.400 --> 2:10:35.080 try to figure it out. So now in Nike one 2:10:35.120 --> 2:10:38.440 one two is a colorway, you can't you can't use 2:10:38.520 --> 2:10:40.760 that colorway or the way the mix of materials and 2:10:40.800 --> 2:10:44.240 colorwaves that I use unless it's it's in collaboration with me. 2:10:44.880 --> 2:10:47.400 Have you ever seen an ill subliminal on a sneaker 2:10:47.480 --> 2:10:52.960 that only like that sort of got kind of you know, 2:10:53.520 --> 2:10:56.320 uh missed under. 2:10:56.160 --> 2:11:01.480 The radar of When air Force was turning for thirty 2:11:01.720 --> 2:11:05.760 five or no, yeah, thirty five, there was a there 2:11:05.840 --> 2:11:08.160 was a celebration called air Force one hundred and it 2:11:08.280 --> 2:11:10.720 was one hundred pairs of Air Force ones that were 2:11:10.800 --> 2:11:16.160 all white. And I got to do one. And I'm 2:11:16.200 --> 2:11:18.840 going to tell a story that is okay to tell 2:11:19.440 --> 2:11:22.120 now probably wouldn't been okay to tell. Then I got 2:11:22.200 --> 2:11:23.720 a call and it was like, yo, what you want 2:11:23.720 --> 2:11:25.320 to do. I was like, what you want to do? Like, 2:11:25.480 --> 2:11:27.160 y know, we're doing these all whites coming on and 2:11:27.240 --> 2:11:29.520 do all white sneakers. So we's in New Orleans. We 2:11:29.640 --> 2:11:31.720 had a knee with Nike, and I was like, I 2:11:31.840 --> 2:11:33.480 want to do this, this, this, and this to the 2:11:33.520 --> 2:11:38.000 shoe and we're gonna call it. Got that white now, 2:11:38.720 --> 2:11:42.760 probably one only one person in the room understood got 2:11:42.800 --> 2:11:45.720 that white man and he and he because he's my man, 2:11:45.800 --> 2:11:47.760 He's going clock, are you sure you want to do that? 2:11:48.240 --> 2:11:52.280 And I'm like absolutely and he was so so so 2:11:52.400 --> 2:11:56.760 he was like okay, I'm I'm I'm gonna push for 2:11:56.840 --> 2:11:59.800 this one. And it really when he showed it to 2:12:00.280 --> 2:12:02.640 who it had to be pushed to, it really didn't 2:12:02.680 --> 2:12:05.440 have to be pushed. It was like it was like, oh, 2:12:05.480 --> 2:12:08.920 that shit is beautiful, like even like Mark Parker called me, 2:12:08.960 --> 2:12:10.160 and it was like, this is one of the most 2:12:10.160 --> 2:12:12.200 beautiful air force once I've ever seen it. In my mind, 2:12:12.200 --> 2:12:16.800 I'm thinking, like, I hope he doesn't ask what does 2:12:16.880 --> 2:12:21.040 got that white mean? So if you look at the shoe, 2:12:21.040 --> 2:12:24.640 it has three colors on it, and it's it's it's white, 2:12:25.400 --> 2:12:29.320 and then it's like this, it's like actually off, and 2:12:29.400 --> 2:12:34.640 then it's this gum bottom. Right, So it's three versions 2:12:34.680 --> 2:12:38.360 of cocaine, right, And I put it all on one 2:12:38.400 --> 2:12:39.920 shoe and I called it got that white because in 2:12:39.960 --> 2:12:41.800 the street, if you say got that white, that means 2:12:41.800 --> 2:12:44.800 you got coked, right, And then on a tongue label, 2:12:45.240 --> 2:12:47.000 I put the words stay fresh on it because that 2:12:47.080 --> 2:12:49.840 was my thing. My thing was to stay fresh. And 2:12:51.600 --> 2:12:54.960 I was like, I need all one hundred pairs to 2:12:55.040 --> 2:12:58.560 be given to me. And my rollout was going to 2:12:58.600 --> 2:13:03.360 be I was gonna pull up in the hood of 2:13:03.520 --> 2:13:09.360 like every state and I was gonna be like senate 2:13:09.480 --> 2:13:13.200 Instagram posts out like yo, I got that white right, 2:13:13.640 --> 2:13:18.160 So a hustler would come looking for me and I 2:13:18.160 --> 2:13:22.440 would be like here, So I was gonna be serving 2:13:22.480 --> 2:13:28.360 white across fifty states. But they but they took fifty 2:13:28.520 --> 2:13:31.360 of the pairs and brought them to Complex Con and 2:13:31.400 --> 2:13:34.840 they had this dinner and at the dinner, everybody who 2:13:34.920 --> 2:13:36.839 was part of the one hundred, a pair of sneakers 2:13:36.920 --> 2:13:39.800 got put on everybody's plate, and nobody knew what the 2:13:39.840 --> 2:13:42.800 sneakers want until they start opening them. Only one person 2:13:42.960 --> 2:13:47.200 had my sleep, and I was big because Biggs got 2:13:47.240 --> 2:13:52.040 that white right. People were like we at the tables 2:13:53.280 --> 2:13:56.400 and people are like, yo, what the fuck is that? 2:13:57.680 --> 2:14:00.680 So everybody's like, I want that one I want, So 2:14:00.720 --> 2:14:02.920 they telling the waitresses, can you go switch this? And 2:14:03.000 --> 2:14:05.600 I get better DA data. So they're giving away all 2:14:05.640 --> 2:14:06.400 of my products. 2:14:06.880 --> 2:14:09.400 Oh they really gave it away. They didn't just let me. 2:14:10.840 --> 2:14:14.680 I didn't get to do the rollout properly, so it 2:14:15.720 --> 2:14:19.360 became but so I didn't really get to like it was. 2:14:19.480 --> 2:14:21.200 And the whole thing was going to be filmed, like 2:14:21.240 --> 2:14:23.360 the Feds were watching me, and then I was gonna 2:14:23.400 --> 2:14:29.880 let the fucking film come out and and so the 2:14:30.000 --> 2:14:32.560 thing is when the shoes got given away, you know 2:14:32.680 --> 2:14:34.560 some people got like Ronnie five got him. He was 2:14:34.600 --> 2:14:36.920 like clocked this on Instagram. He was like, clock, this 2:14:37.080 --> 2:14:40.200 is fucking amazing. The only thing I cared about was 2:14:40.360 --> 2:14:42.560 when I got home, I got to make sure Jay 2:14:42.560 --> 2:14:45.160 gets pare. So I get home, I bring this nigga 2:14:45.200 --> 2:14:48.640 to Jay and I said their call got that white. 2:14:48.720 --> 2:14:54.160 He was like cow, it was so important. And he 2:14:54.240 --> 2:14:57.880 wore him shits on his birthday. Wow. And I was like, 2:14:58.280 --> 2:15:00.800 he gets it. So what I did with the shoes 2:15:00.880 --> 2:15:04.640 basically I called up the ustles that I came off 2:15:04.760 --> 2:15:06.360 up with and I was like, yeah, I got to 2:15:06.360 --> 2:15:08.600 stay this niggas for you. And they didn't look at 2:15:08.640 --> 2:15:10.760 it like it was, oh I got a fresh past 2:15:10.800 --> 2:15:12.760 nigga was look they looked at it like, oh, got 2:15:12.840 --> 2:15:18.040 that white clock. You're crazy. But the good part is 2:15:18.480 --> 2:15:19.800 Nike didn't get it. 2:15:20.440 --> 2:15:22.200 Well yeah, because they ain't got no because they ain't 2:15:22.200 --> 2:15:24.200 got that black in the office to tell them. 2:15:28.160 --> 2:15:33.120 That might be you might try. That's our clip from 2:15:33.200 --> 2:15:33.600 that one. 2:15:35.160 --> 2:15:44.480 Six years Thank you, thank you, all right, so so 2:15:44.800 --> 2:15:48.480 so to me, that's the one that got missed the most, 2:15:48.560 --> 2:15:53.520 that got missed and and you know, later on, once 2:15:53.560 --> 2:15:55.560 I explained what got that White was to a bunch 2:15:55.560 --> 2:15:58.760 of people asking and they were just like, nah, that's crazy, 2:15:59.320 --> 2:16:02.160 And I was like so then later on, I can't 2:16:02.200 --> 2:16:05.560 remember what company, it was, Diamond Supply. They got a 2:16:05.600 --> 2:16:09.040 whole bunch of Air Force ones and stamped like like 2:16:09.400 --> 2:16:11.840 like pressed into the Air Force one the word coke, 2:16:13.440 --> 2:16:18.080 but it was the coke logo. It's a coke. I 2:16:18.200 --> 2:16:22.000 was like, coke. White's okay, I get it. But I'm like, the. 2:16:22.720 --> 2:16:26.879 Obvious plus obvious is more creative. 2:16:27.120 --> 2:16:31.160 Yeah, yeah, it was definitely. It was definitely more creative. 2:16:31.200 --> 2:16:33.960 And it was and the thing is once like a 2:16:34.080 --> 2:16:36.320 hustler out of here. He understood it as soon as 2:16:36.360 --> 2:16:36.680 he saw it. 2:16:36.720 --> 2:16:40.200 He was like, Clark, so those shoes can never come 2:16:40.280 --> 2:16:42.920 out again, Like and no part Clark can Nike just go. 2:16:43.040 --> 2:16:45.039 You know what, that was a good idea that Clark 2:16:45.080 --> 2:16:47.440 did ten years ago. Let's reissue. 2:16:48.720 --> 2:16:52.160 Literally, I wanted a few that they seem to have 2:16:52.280 --> 2:16:52.920 some respect for. 2:16:53.840 --> 2:16:55.920 Yeah, they they'll resell some shit. 2:16:56.800 --> 2:17:00.840 Yeah they'll they called before the stuff like that, Like 2:17:01.040 --> 2:17:03.560 I got I got something coming later this year. 2:17:04.680 --> 2:17:06.480 I was about to say, you still have a relationship 2:17:06.560 --> 2:17:07.279 with them. Correct. 2:17:07.320 --> 2:17:10.080 Oh yeah, oh yes, it sounds like Clark, if you 2:17:10.160 --> 2:17:13.040 decided you didn't want to do music anymore, you would 2:17:13.080 --> 2:17:14.720 be good based off with a sneaker. 2:17:14.920 --> 2:17:18.600 The sneaker, I'd be okay, but I probably wouldn't because 2:17:18.640 --> 2:17:19.640 I love music so much. 2:17:19.879 --> 2:17:22.920 Right, probably be like no, I need to do that, okay, 2:17:23.520 --> 2:17:24.039 singing soul? 2:17:24.280 --> 2:17:26.360 Yeah, as we as we close out, I do want 2:17:26.400 --> 2:17:29.320 to know, like, where's your passion lying today? 2:17:29.560 --> 2:17:33.640 As we speak music music, Well, let me say this 2:17:33.879 --> 2:17:41.600 in this order. God family music kicks. Mm hm. My 2:17:42.160 --> 2:17:45.080 family means more to me than all of that shit. 2:17:45.200 --> 2:17:46.800 And I have a family because of God. 2:17:47.840 --> 2:17:48.680 How old are your kids? 2:17:49.760 --> 2:17:51.400 I have a twenty nine year old daughter and a 2:17:51.560 --> 2:17:52.600 twenty three year old son. 2:17:54.560 --> 2:17:55.320 I know they proud. 2:17:55.800 --> 2:17:59.360 That's dope, hope. So I'm trying not to embarrass them. 2:18:01.080 --> 2:18:02.600 You're doing well, man, you're doing well. 2:18:02.840 --> 2:18:06.959 I appreciate those words. But you know, yeah, they understand 2:18:07.040 --> 2:18:11.040 DJ Clark Campbell like I'm their father first. Yeah, so 2:18:11.240 --> 2:18:13.680 it's like I got it. I'm trying not to embarrass them. 2:18:13.680 --> 2:18:15.520 I'm trying to I'm trying to do things that they 2:18:15.560 --> 2:18:17.200 can look at and go My dad did some cool 2:18:17.240 --> 2:18:20.280 shit so that they can be inspired to do cool shit. 2:18:21.080 --> 2:18:24.160 This this has been a long time coming. Thank you 2:18:24.280 --> 2:18:27.680 for having the patience for all the false starts. But 2:18:28.640 --> 2:18:35.080 you know you're you're literally you You're God's favorite DJO man. 2:18:39.000 --> 2:18:41.800 Yeah, you want to know something that's crazy, quest is 2:18:42.600 --> 2:18:44.840 it's certain DJs that I look at and I go, 2:18:45.720 --> 2:18:48.080 I wonder if they think I'm good, you know what 2:18:48.080 --> 2:18:51.440 I'm saying, because they have their own their own thing 2:18:51.520 --> 2:18:53.600 attached to him, that that I look at them and 2:18:53.760 --> 2:18:55.760 like that he's fucking he's fucking ill. Some of the 2:18:55.760 --> 2:18:57.720 ship he does. It's crazy like I look at quests 2:18:57.800 --> 2:19:00.960 like my quest is a really good DJ, like Questions 2:19:01.040 --> 2:19:03.360 on the short list of DJs that I like, you 2:19:03.400 --> 2:19:05.120 know what I'm saying. I look at Jeff like I 2:19:05.240 --> 2:19:08.080 like Jase Jeff, I like Scratch, I like, you know, 2:19:08.640 --> 2:19:12.200 lou Louis Vaga. You know what I'm saying. He to me, 2:19:12.560 --> 2:19:15.800 to me, he's a fucking wizard. But then I got 2:19:16.320 --> 2:19:18.280 this Questlove dude where I think is out of his 2:19:18.560 --> 2:19:21.560 mind musically, and I'm like, he thinks I'm a good DJ. 2:19:22.280 --> 2:19:24.880 Like to me, that's like my worst Moore ship. When 2:19:24.920 --> 2:19:26.320 a when a DJ, I think. 2:19:26.280 --> 2:19:28.120 Why do you think we're all together in that in 2:19:28.240 --> 2:19:28.720 our threat? 2:19:28.800 --> 2:19:28.959 Man? 2:19:29.240 --> 2:19:30.320 I mean, I don't even know if. 2:19:34.360 --> 2:19:35.560 Let's ask going about. 2:19:35.440 --> 2:19:41.040 That exactly exactly, No, man, it's please. I've been to 2:19:41.280 --> 2:19:45.360 a gazillion of of your functions, Joe. Now you get down, man, 2:19:45.840 --> 2:19:47.879 You're you're the greatest clerk. I appreciate you. 2:19:47.959 --> 2:19:50.879 For doing it, man, I appreciate it. And again, it's 2:19:50.920 --> 2:19:53.360 an honor to be here because when I look at 2:19:53.440 --> 2:19:55.440 some of the people you've spoken to, I'm just like, shit, 2:19:55.520 --> 2:19:57.360 he wants to talk to me. I hope I could 2:19:57.440 --> 2:19:58.000 stand up. 2:20:00.160 --> 2:20:02.440 Dog tribe, it's all the same tribe. You definitely belong. 2:20:02.520 --> 2:20:04.119 You're talking about people that affected the culture. 2:20:04.200 --> 2:20:04.440 Honey. 2:20:04.800 --> 2:20:08.320 It seems like another successful conclusion of the adventures of 2:20:08.720 --> 2:20:15.520 d J, Clark, Kent, Smoking Steve, and Fanticke A Little Blue. 2:20:18.800 --> 2:20:20.640 Can. I go on record as saying Fante is one 2:20:20.680 --> 2:20:24.400 of the best of them. Season around. He is okay, 2:20:25.120 --> 2:20:30.400 dog is wild. He's wild. Like it's funny because be honest, 2:20:30.440 --> 2:20:32.280 like when I first heard Little Brother, I was like, Oh, 2:20:32.360 --> 2:20:34.920 this dude's sitting and I took some time off because 2:20:34.959 --> 2:20:36.840 I was like, they're not doing nothing, and I didn't 2:20:36.879 --> 2:20:38.640 realize that he was dropping solo ship and then I 2:20:38.720 --> 2:20:43.400 went back and I was like, oh, fucking nuts, Like 2:20:43.680 --> 2:20:45.960 I think I tweeted that one day, like fante g 2:20:46.400 --> 2:20:49.920 is fucking amazing. Remember that. 2:20:54.520 --> 2:20:57.800 Dog Day to Day Fame was the first tape I owned. 2:20:58.440 --> 2:21:02.080 So DJ cl can't big me up like that's just now, man, 2:21:02.160 --> 2:21:04.160 thank you so much. That means the world. I appreciate it. 2:21:06.600 --> 2:21:09.200 Only Mavericks over here. Man. Anyway, Well we have a 2:21:09.600 --> 2:21:13.960 fran Ticolo, Sugar Steve, unpaid Bill and Laya. I'm quest Love. 2:21:14.120 --> 2:21:16.640 Thank you once again, DJ Clark Kent and this is 2:21:16.760 --> 2:21:18.480 quest Love Supreme and we'll see you on the next 2:21:18.480 --> 2:21:20.359 stor now all right, peace. 2:21:28.680 --> 2:21:28.840 West. 2:21:28.920 --> 2:21:35.640 Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. For more 2:21:35.720 --> 2:21:39.720 podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 2:21:40.160 --> 2:21:41.840 or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.