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Speaker 1: Quest Loft Show is a production of iHeart Radio. Yo, Yo,

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Speaker 1: What's Up? What's Up? It's another classic episode of the

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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme podcast. And these are always somewhat difficult

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Speaker 1: when the guests who happens to be a great friend

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Speaker 1: is no longer with us. Of course, I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: the magnetic being himself, DJ Clark Kent. He was a

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Speaker 1: legend behind the turntables, behind the production board, behind the desk,

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Speaker 1: behind street fashion, and back in October of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: we spoke to Clark on Zoom along with Team Supreme.

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Speaker 1: We had no idea he transitioned two years later. Here

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Speaker 1: you're gonna learn some of the things that would define

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Speaker 1: Clark's life and career. He shares how being teased as

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Speaker 1: a kid for wearing glasses gave him the Clark Kent

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Speaker 1: nickname led to becoming the man who helped the world

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Speaker 1: discover Jay Z. Clark went deep on the science of

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Speaker 1: DJing and producing from the emotional power of the Ohio

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Speaker 1: players Ecstasy which he ended every set and I my

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Speaker 1: witness to that and sample for the song Brooklyn's Finest,

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Speaker 1: which you'll hear. How Clark tried more than fifty scratch

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Speaker 1: hook ideas for he reveals that he was Rock Kim's

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Speaker 1: DJ for the very first time Rock Kim blessed the

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Speaker 1: part Jim and how he almost signed nods off of

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Speaker 1: Live of the Barbecue before the world got to know

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Speaker 1: who he was. And this episode also covers Clark's evolution

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Speaker 1: to a sneaker icon he got me in the game.

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Speaker 1: All right, this is the story of God's favorite DJ

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Speaker 1: and one of my favorite DJs. From the park jams

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Speaker 1: and label board rooms to the Nike kitchen and beyond. Clark,

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Speaker 1: we are going to miss you, bruh. All right, here's

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Speaker 1: Clark Kin's episode.

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Speaker 2: You have to understand, Like, I don't want this to

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Speaker 2: be you at all, and this is like maybe probably

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Speaker 2: the most important thing I want to say today is

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Speaker 2: I love Quest Like I'm like, uh like beyond beyond

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Speaker 2: him being my man, Like did.

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Speaker 1: We say this for the show?

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Speaker 2: Show the show, the show to it I'll start to show.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, listen to what I'm about to say.

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Speaker 2: You might you might understand. I just want to say

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Speaker 2: it's truly an honor to be considered for this show

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Speaker 2: because this show is so fucking good.

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Speaker 1: Wow, thank you, Mark.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: He's preventing me from giving him a proper intro. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Ladies and Joe and this is Quest Love Supreme. We're

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Speaker 1: here with Team Supreme Sugar Steve Fan take alow, shout

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Speaker 1: out to Bill Sermons, and uh, like you, how you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good. I'm doing real good. I was just

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Speaker 3: what's the.

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Speaker 1: What's I've been meaning to ask you? What's the portrait

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Speaker 1: behind you?

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Speaker 4: That's my dad, says that our artist painted that of

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Speaker 4: him playing the drums.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's your dad. Yeah, okay, that's what's up. No, No,

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Speaker 1: every time I see I didn't know if it was

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Speaker 1: a moon or whatever.

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Speaker 3: And that's a symbol. Quest Love.

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Speaker 4: That's a symbol. That's what they all know with drums

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Speaker 4: they play. It comes with a drum set.

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Speaker 1: Do you know I did not know that. One day.

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Speaker 1: I will take that up anyway, y'all check it. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that, you know, we're nerds on this show,

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Speaker 1: and we always uh sort of salivate over a specific

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Speaker 1: type of industry insider, behind the scenes person, and you know,

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Speaker 1: like dream Dream Future guest of the show, Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I would definitely want to get Suzanne to pass on

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Speaker 1: the show. We definitely have to find the elusive John

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Speaker 1: McLean as many times as he's been mentioned by like

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Speaker 1: every artist that's been on the show. But for me,

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Speaker 1: I'll say that the behind the scenes person mostly like

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Speaker 1: way more details in a way that an artist who's

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes people, and you know, and I'm segueing

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Speaker 1: right into our guest today, this particular gentleman. He's everything

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Speaker 1: that you've heard about him, probably and more, and probably

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Speaker 1: say resume is a little reductive because I don't you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not like like he works for nobody. He's literally

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Speaker 1: God's favorite DJ. And I stand by that another guy

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Speaker 1: reason why we know who jay Z is. That's that's

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Speaker 1: might drop alone. But there's so much more than that

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Speaker 1: one story I'm dying to know about. Of course, during

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Speaker 1: speaking of them developing the new music seminar, and you know,

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Speaker 1: know who Skills is as well. I mean, let's just

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Speaker 1: mention the classics. Brooklyn's finest guess he's backed by Rock Kim,

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Speaker 1: Biggie Sky's limit on Life after Death needs you tonight anyway, man,

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Speaker 1: I can go on and on not to mention this

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Speaker 1: human being gave me my true intro into the world

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Speaker 1: of fashion, because without him, I would have never had

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Speaker 1: my own Nike imprint. Yes, this is the man that's responding, dude,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, this this guy is a legend

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Speaker 1: and he's on the show today. Clark Kent, thank you

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Speaker 1: for finally, I won't say finally like it took you

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Speaker 1: long enough. I realized that this has almost been a

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Speaker 1: falls on me. Yes, you're absolutely right. Clark Kit is

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Speaker 1: probably the guest that we've had to put off the most.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's always an emergency that happens on a

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Speaker 1: this at a month or so? So after four false starts,

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Speaker 1: we are finally here making it happen. How are you, sir?

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Speaker 2: I am truly blessed to be here on earth, but

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Speaker 2: I'm even you know, like I'm very very honored to

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Speaker 2: be a guest of yours simply because of how much

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Speaker 2: I admire you, And as I was saying to your

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Speaker 2: crew earlier, like almost like sometimes I parallel the way

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Speaker 2: way that I worked. Like when I was coming up,

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Speaker 2: like the rise of It's love to me, it's like

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're understanding what he's doing. He's just

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Speaker 2: like I just never stopped, so even doing what I

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Speaker 2: even understand stop. And I look at you and I think, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm not crazy for being that way, and I really

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I gave my first speech to a bunch

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Speaker 1: of high schoolers. This show is famous for putting me

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Speaker 1: in a right look at life's face right now exactly.

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Speaker 1: This show pretty much knows my weak points and they

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Speaker 1: know that I'm a person that shoes or avoids compliments.

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Speaker 1: I also avoid kids. You know, many times have been asked,

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Speaker 1: and da, da da da. So I finally got over

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Speaker 1: week from this taping, and I actually found myself saying

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Speaker 1: the opposite. Yes, I take those words, and I appreciate.

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Speaker 1: And this is also going to be probably the most

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Speaker 1: will actually say that I'm trying to what he says.

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Speaker 5: No, I was going to say that Clark is actually

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Speaker 5: touching on a truly legitimate thing that you exemplify, which

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Speaker 5: is work ethic and right.

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Speaker 4: But but I'm.

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Speaker 1: Actually I'm and I'm dead serious about this. I am

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Speaker 1: trying to do less work. I'm literally making a living

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Speaker 1: doing things that I love doing. But I know that

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Speaker 1: for me and no way I'm trying to put a

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Speaker 1: But you know, when you're when you're north of fifty,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're thinking about your your last few acts.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm in the third quarter or the fourth,

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Speaker 1: you know, halftime is over. I'm in the third quarter now,

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Speaker 1: so I consider third quarter the last act of work.

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Speaker 2: That's what you think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And but I want to do it so that

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Speaker 1: always tease Jay about remember when Jay said he was

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Speaker 1: going to retire after reasonable doubt? What you remember that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was the one who was like, no,

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Speaker 2: you're not.

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Speaker 1: Pulls it right exactly. So but I would I think that,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're seeing a new generation. I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: life that you're accustomed to living, and it not affects you.

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Speaker 5: So oh well it's going to affect me. You can't

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Speaker 1: H Clark, I always wanted to know this. Usually in

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Speaker 1: Superman would have been a I don't know how logistic

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Speaker 1: I think it's very curious that you decided to choose

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Speaker 1: What was your reasoning, you know, because we don't know

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Speaker 2: There was a DJ Peter Parker in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah it's a radio but yeah, that's only.

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Speaker 2: Two Okay, Well mine's is pretty simple. I wore glasses

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Speaker 2: what when when this started to happen? When when I'm

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Speaker 2: But by the time I'm like, okay, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: it just never went away. I've tried other things to out.

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Speaker 1: What were your other names that you were optioning.

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Speaker 2: I used to write graffiti when I was really young,

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Speaker 2: and I used to write blink, So I tried DJ

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Speaker 2: Blink and I thought that shit was terrible and it

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Speaker 2: didn't rhyme with anything properly when I was in rap groups,

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Speaker 2: It didn't make as much sense later. But and then

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Speaker 2: just Blaze nwice. But for like, for like three weeks,

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Speaker 2: I was grand Master Blaster. And it's crazy because the

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Speaker 2: when I was DJing like block Party Ship one day

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Speaker 2: And then after the joint, I was just like that

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Speaker 2: But Clark Kent works for me because I don't believe

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Speaker 1: So I know that you are from Brooklyn, I.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I don't look at it like a

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, his brother me Jean. I was with my uncle.

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Speaker 2: but the zigga zigga that we all do, you know

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Speaker 2: It was because I was up there with my uncle,

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Speaker 1: So he had DJ equipment, but wasn't a DJ in

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Speaker 2: No, he didn't know how to DJ at all. He

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Speaker 2: a Plato's Retreat guy. He was a Bonds International guy.

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Speaker 2: He was a fifty four guy, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Like he was also a lawyer, so maybe not being

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Speaker 1: But it's quite an upbringing, all right, because you are

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Speaker 2: At that time, it might have been ecstasy by the

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Speaker 2: To me, it's still the best song I've ever heard.

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Speaker 1: I got jokes, no, no, no, I love that song

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Speaker 1: Eye Players because they get away with so many musical crimes, right.

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Speaker 2: And and the thing is, like, the whole record is

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Speaker 2: is because it's literally the.

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Speaker 1: End of a song like I would like. It's like

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Speaker 2: And there's no hook, there's no verse, there's.

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Speaker 6: No change whatever whatever he sings the first line like

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Speaker 1: I love you use ecstasy Pain is just since the

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Speaker 2: But by the time the end of the record comes,

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Speaker 2: that there is no real formula to this shit. It's

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Speaker 2: just when you listen, do you walk away going? That

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Speaker 2: shit fucked my soul up, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: And that record, since I was a kid, the first

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Speaker 2: this might be the most beautiful thing I've ever heard.

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Speaker 2: And yes, I've heard tons of records, and yeah, I've

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Speaker 2: heard tons of records, but that record right there, that's

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Speaker 2: the reason why I sampled the records because and it

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Speaker 1: Yo, I'm gonna tell you something. The anger. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: like the feeling of where you think the lane is

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Speaker 1: clear and all you got to do is simply to

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Speaker 1: you now, the anger I had when I heard Brooklyn's

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Speaker 1: Finest because at the time we're working on Illadelf half Life.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: Make some Philadelf. Half Life's a great album, I know.

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Speaker 1: But my my, my contribution to this jam was I've

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Speaker 1: been working so hard, like trying to hook up some

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Speaker 1: heard it on a mixtape and was like, Ah, this

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Speaker 2: Nope, all right, I'm gonna make this crazy for you.

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Speaker 2: I sampled that record two years before on a remix

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Speaker 2: for the Future Sound, but I only took one loop,

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Speaker 2: and every time I listened to it, I was like,

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Speaker 2: And again it was my favorite record. So every club

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Speaker 2: it became so popular that I would play this record

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Speaker 2: that people would be like, I'm waiting to the end

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Speaker 2: because I could hear that fucking record. And then one day,

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Speaker 2: one day, Dame and Jay just go, yo, you got

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Speaker 2: you got to hook that up. So I mean, sitting

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Speaker 2: it has to be the whole five bar loop. Now,

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Speaker 2: of course five bars is very unconventional, just like three

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Speaker 2: bars is unconventional. But yeah, like try to call a question.

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Speaker 2: When that record was made, I like try to figure

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Speaker 2: the time, and then I figured out where I'm going

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Speaker 2: to get that eight bars at and it would be weird,

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Speaker 2: but it would always come off right, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. But with Brooklyn's Finest, it's almost like I

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Speaker 2: had to go, I don't care if they figure it out,

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Speaker 2: because the music has to feel and and and the

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Speaker 2: thing is the music feels, because what they did to

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Speaker 2: was was great too. But if they didn't, if it

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Speaker 2: didn't feel, it wouldn't have gotten to there. Have you?

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Speaker 2: Have you heard.

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Speaker 1: Lino Richie's version that Jimmy geometry list is line of

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Speaker 1: Richie covered ecstasy not really but no, but like he

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Speaker 1: didn't cover ecstasy, but jam kind of flipped it on no, no,

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Speaker 1: no on loud of them were not louder than words.

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Speaker 1: What's the Joe that he I gotta find the album?

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Speaker 3: It's it's a lot of Richie.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's like one of his like I.

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Speaker 1: Could spend that ship in my set and the ship

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Speaker 1: come off. It's yeah, it's the louder than words, right, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I want to take you down. Look up, Lina Richie,

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Speaker 1: I want to take you down. And like I was like,

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Speaker 1: all right, Jimmy, Jeame, Terry Lewis, like they actually they

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Speaker 1: flipped they flipped one of Junie Marson's ad libs so

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Speaker 1: that it actually sounds like he said, I want to

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Speaker 1: take you damn. But like it's an album cut on

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Speaker 1: words like right, like he'sh no, take you, damn, take you.

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Speaker 1: I was impressed, and but the thing was, I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis produced it. I

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Speaker 1: was just like, all right, so Lionel got some young

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Speaker 1: cat to hook up a feat and this, you know,

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Speaker 1: this came out in nineteen ninety six, so it's even

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Speaker 1: weirder that both got album.

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Speaker 2: No No No. But Jam. I was like, I.

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Speaker 1: Know you're joking. We got jokes here, No, but literally

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Speaker 1: I was like asking Jam, like, did you know Brooklyn's

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Speaker 1: Finus or whatever? And He's like, nah, I didn't because

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Speaker 1: I was like, it leaked a good six months before

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Speaker 1: it came out, like I heard on someone's mixtape.

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Speaker 2: I think it might have been either Chubby Chubb or Clue.

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Speaker 1: It probably was maybe Clue, you know, whatever it was,

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Speaker 1: it was enough to make me not like I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: my dreams a shadow.

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Speaker 4: It's one of those rare records that like, no matter

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Speaker 4: how many years later, if anybody play it you on

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00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 4: the it's just automatic, like yeah.

433
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 2: It's because it's perfect.

434
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: Wait, all right, I always tell people this story and

435
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: I'm going on the timeline, but I got I got

436
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 1: to ask this question because I don't know we ever talked.

437
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: About Yes, Yes, it was hard to follow you at

438
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: the Goal Party.

439
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: Shut up, man, No, no, no, no, I'm talking about

440
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: but but.

441
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: Goal party.

442
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 3: Oh so you oh, y'all followed each other at I

443
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 3: got it, Okay.

444
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: I had to get on the plane to go back

445
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: to my day job.

446
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 3: That's the grammy partlem of the Oscar Party. I can't

447
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 3: remember the infamous j.

448
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: We we just did it.

449
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: I did okay, we know.

450
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: No, I was gonna. I'm asking you, do you know

451
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: if anyone that has documented or recorded, I believe that

452
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: was you on the turntables for uh, the after party

453
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: for Zebrahead the movie.

454
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: Wow, remember this. It was a good party. But I

455
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: don't know anybody.

456
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: You don't even know. This the one, the one and

457
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: last time I ever got on the microphone to rhyme.

458
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: You were you were DJing, you going back and forth

459
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: on m Vogue's hold On as an instrumental.

460
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, like.

461
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: No, it definitely wasn't booming system. It was just going

462
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: back and forth on hold on and NAS gets up

463
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: to rhyme, and then it just became one of the

464
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 1: things where like thirty mcs were on stage that I remember.

465
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: So I was rolling because Zebrahead was a was a

466
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: rough House Records Association that's where I was interning at

467
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: the time, and you know, we had like two bustlos

468
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: going up, so it was like all the goats, Larry

469
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: Larr was there, like all the all the rough House

470
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: people were like there, and I don't know, it was

471
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: on stage and it was like there's.

472
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 3: A microphone, you got the spirit a mirror? Did you

473
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 3: get this?

474
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: And I like one? I had one verse?

475
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: I did you only got one chip?

476
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 2: Look at a teket.

477
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: Kick question whatever. So I was always afraid to tell

478
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: that story because my fear was like someone's going to

479
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: be like yeah, and I recorded it and here it

480
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: is of it, like literally I remembered nas rhyme in

481
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: a long time and then like then like a bunch

482
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: of second tier I think Joe Fatal was there. Yeah,

483
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: and then by the time it got to like the

484
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: seventh or eighth MC, then it was like anybody's rhyming.

485
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: And then that like I was number like twenty seven.

486
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, sorry memories anyway, No.

487
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at you. I had one of those

488
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 2: moments when I was like fifteen, and as soon as

489
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: I was done, I was like never again again. I

490
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: was I was I was at a park jam Oh no,

491
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: I didn't rhyme again.

492
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: I just did a hook and I, well, you did

493
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: the hook on Brooklyn's finus.

494
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

495
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: I just some time out. They made that song without

496
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: a hook, and then you went and.

497
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: Listen. When Biggie came to do his verse, it was

498
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: like the day before mastering, so it was you're gonna

499
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: do You're gonna do this verse, and then I'm gonna

500
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: have the song's gonna have to go get mad, I'm

501
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: gonna have to mix it, and then it's going to

502
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 2: master the next morning, so you gotta finish the song.

503
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 2: He finishes his verses, and him and Jay in the studio,

504
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: it's all revelie. I'm like, yo, I need a hook,

505
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: he says. Jay said, scratch something. Every single thing I

506
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: tried to scratch on that record sounded like blasphemy because

507
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: the record was so rich, right, so everything sounded terrible.

508
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: Will accept Brooklyn Brooks instead of scratching. So Jay's like, y'all,

509
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: I'll be back, and he disappears, and like twenty minutes later,

510
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: Biggie goes, I'll be back, disappears. But I said to

511
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: both of them on their disappearance, like, yo, you got

512
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: to come and give me a hook. And every time

513
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: I said it to Jay, he said, yo, just scratch something.

514
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: You could make it right. And like I said, everything

515
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: was like disgusting. I felt so bad because all I'm

516
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: thinking is.

517
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: How long did it?

518
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: Like?

519
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: How many attempts before?

520
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: Oh? No, I attempted at least fifty different things to scratch.

521
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 4: I just had.

522
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: I just had a crate full of records that said Brooklyn.

523
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: And this wasn't even because of them. It was because

524
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: that's what I'm thinking, I'm going to figure something out

525
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: under their hook or maybe in a section, but in

526
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: the breakdow out section in the fifth bar, I'm going

527
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: to scratch something every hook right. And then so they're like, yeah,

528
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: you you know you're going to scratch something. I'm like, yes,

529
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: I am, and I got records and I'm going to

530
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: try to figure it out. And nothing was figuring it out.

531
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: Question though, by ninety six, the term we're Booklyn at was.

532
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: It was a known thing, but it wasn't. But it

533
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: wasn't a recorded thing that I could just go, I'm

534
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: going to scratch and there was no store. So after

535
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: a million tries and the only thing I got is

536
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: Brooklyn Brooklyn. I'm just like, I'm scared to death, and

537
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: I just I just kept listening to the record, and

538
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, let me pull a piece from

539
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: my hair, and then okay, what you're going to do

540
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: after that? Because all I got is jay Z Biggie

541
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: Small's nigga shit you draws, and I'm like, that's awesome.

542
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: But then I'm like, what else? And then I'm like, okay,

543
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 2: shout out the sections and the Burroughs, shout out the

544
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: most important ones, persons, Bossy, that's by, you know, like,

545
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: let's get to our shit first, and then the rest

546
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: of the ship. I could just roll out. So I

547
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: did it, and I was in fear. But for the

548
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: whole time I was there, Damon was there, but he's

549
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: not paying it no attention. He's there, He's almost like,

550
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, clock's bugging cool. He doesn't even say Clock,

551
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: you'r bugging. I'm just doing this thing, and I'm bugging

552
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: in my mind. So I'm telling the engineer, can you

553
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: change the way my voice sounds? Can you double it?

554
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: Can you triple it? Can you quadule it? Can you

555
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: do all of these things? Please? Do not make it

556
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: sound like me and everybody. He's like, well, what's wrong

557
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: with this sounding like you? I said in our crew

558
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: there is a packed Clark will never wrap like Jay

559
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: and Saw. It's just one day was in my crib

560
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: and it was just like looking at me and I

561
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: was and I was like, yeah, they were looking at

562
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: me like clocked. You don't rap, don't ever be a rapper, Like,

563
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: let us do the rapping and you make the beat.

564
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: Don't do this. And I was just like, no problem

565
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: because I never ever wanted to be a rapper. So

566
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: at the end of everything, Dame is like, yeah, I

567
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: like it, and I'm just like, okay, please, I'm like, please,

568
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: do not tell them that I did it. Don't tell

569
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: whatever you do, don't tell Jade I did it. It

570
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: goes to Mastering. Everybody's at Mastering. They love it, and

571
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: then the record is like after master and I'm just like, yo, Jay,

572
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: how you like shit is fired? Who's that? Or that's

573
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: the kids I found downstairs later just so that he

574
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: wouldn't be like, fuck was he doing rabbit? So later

575
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: on it comes out okay, clogged it not clogged? Do that,

576
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: and he was just like, yo, we told you you

577
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: don't wrap right, and I was like, dog, I wasn't

578
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: trying to wrap you. Guys left me here and he goes, nah,

579
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: but it's really good. And then like weeks later, weeks later,

580
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: we got to show at the Apollo. What's crazy is

581
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: when I say we, I mean jay Z, Junie, Myfie

582
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: and Biggie. So where else are we going to perform

583
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: this song? We at the Apollo. Now I'm just like,

584
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: oh shit, I gotta perform so yo, this is my word.

585
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: I'm all the way to the side of the stage

586
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: where almost like I wanted to hide behind the speaker,

587
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: but I'm like jay Z, crowd's going crazy. I start

588
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: moving closer to the front of the stage. Drawn I'm

589
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: but I'm hype down because I'm talking about my city

590
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: in holem you don't stop, stop, you won't stop. The

591
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: clwd's going banana. Crowd's going bananas. First and last time

592
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: we did finest because I was just like, I'm never

593
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: going on tour with you, motherfucker. I'm never doing this

594
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: ship again. And fortunately they didn't get to be like

595
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: now you are going and we are doing it because

596
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: my man passed.

597
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was about to say you never were his

598
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: official DJ.

599
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: I was in the very beginning. If you look at

600
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: the first jay Z record, I can't get with that.

601
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: I can't get with that.

602
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: Right. My name is on the logo, it's jay Z

603
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: Feature of DJ Clark can. That was the name of

604
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: the group back then, jay Z Feature and DJ clark Can't.

605
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: But I didn't necessarily care to be featured. I care

606
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: to be making the music and picking the records and

607
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: picking the tracks, and you know I want to do

608
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: I want to do the record making.

609
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 6: I don't want to ask you about your time with

610
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 6: Dana Day Dana Day fan that's the first take I

611
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 6: ever owned, and.

612
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: Like, straight up that's dope. That's dope.

613
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 7: So yeah, talk about him? What was he like like

614
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 7: back in you know those days? What was that time?

615
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: And when you're telling the story, he tells, where the

616
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: hell is Herbie?

617
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: Oh?

618
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: Please?

619
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 7: Yeah?

620
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: How I feel like you're the person that talks to

621
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: Herbie like every day in the world. Just don't know

622
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: where he is.

623
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 2: You want to know what's crazy? I wish I could,

624
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: because I literally blame him for the reason I produce.

625
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: I blame Molly mal for my style, but I blame

626
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: him for the actual thing happening. Because we used to

627
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: be in the studio all the time and I would

628
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: be looking at these drum machine going I wonder how

629
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: that works. And one day he was just like, oh,

630
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: you can fuck with it. And he didn't come here,

631
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: he was coming to the studio. We were all on

632
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: the studio and he let me sit in the studio

633
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: for like three hours before he came to fuck with

634
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 2: the machine. And I literally got to learn how to

635
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: use it. And the same. Yeah, I literally still make

636
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: every single track I've ever made in my life is

637
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: on SP twelve hundred.

638
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 7: Are you serious? Even now?

639
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: I'm dead serious. It's the center of my studio.

640
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: Have you used the updated version yet?

641
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: No? And I the reason why I won't probably is

642
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: because I think he's the price is just robbery. The

643
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 2: price is, dude, is like five thousand dollars for twelve

644
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: And I'm just like dog, I did not know that. Yes,

645
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: like I'm dog, it's a ST twelve hundred like it.

646
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: I understand you got a couple of updates, make it

647
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 2: twenty five hundred. You know what I'm saying?

648
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: Like, do that?

649
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 2: Do three thousand even if you have to for five grand?

650
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: Four or five grand now and and a lot, and

651
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: trust me in my heart, I'm like, I want it

652
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: because it's a twelve hundred. But I got originals, so

653
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: I guess I'm cool. It's just that the maintenance can

654
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 2: be something.

655
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 7: But yeah, I was going to ask, how do you

656
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 7: keep them maintained?

657
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: Because you you you take it to somebody who can

658
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: clean it and make sure every button and every screen

659
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 2: and everything works. And you know, I'd rather do the

660
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: maintenance than I have to go giving somebody five grand. Respectfully,

661
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: you know what I.

662
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: Just Steve, I'm surprised you don't have a DMZ little

663
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: floppy disc joke. Well I guess I don't. Well wait,

664
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: if you still make it, how do you are they

665
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: still manufacturing floppy discs.

666
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: So when I was young and I started seeing other

667
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: machines coming up, I surplus those this.

668
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: You're like Neil Neil Young. When Neil Young found out

669
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: like the first round of Ampex two inch tapes were

670
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: about to be out of business, he went and.

671
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: Damn near, I did that too.

672
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: I see. Wait before you answer Fante's question, wait.

673
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, I want to go back and say

674
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: I wish I could speak to Herbie all the time,

675
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: just so I could be like, yo, thank you. You

676
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But I don't speak to him.

677
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 2: I wish I could. I know, I believe Dana does,

678
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: but and I speak to Dana, so maybe I'll just

679
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: ask him, can you get me in touch with Herbie?

680
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: But like I would just love to say thank you.

681
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: And I never let it go unmentioned that he's the

682
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: reason that I actually bang on a machine first, and

683
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 2: then I would be in Mally's crib and that's when.

684
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, so you went to the

685
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: Marley House of Hits.

686
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: I used to be in the projects because me and

687
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: hot Day. Hot Day is from Queensbridge. We used to

688
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: DJ together a lot and me, Molly and hot Day

689
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: used to play the same club once a week. We

690
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: used to play USA skating rink, so we knew each other.

691
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: But like I'm talking, like since I was a kid,

692
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: I was in Mally's prib. You know what I'm saying,

693
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: Because that's the reason why when Molly did his own show,

694
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: he came and got being being peaked. He was like

695
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: Pete was the young guy, but I'm the guy that

696
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: he's known for forever to be his DJs know what

697
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So but yes, Molly is the reason I

698
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: make beats the way I make them. But the reason

699
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: I make beats in the first place is Herbie Low

700
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: because he gave me a moment in the studio and

701
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: he came and he heard shit, and he was like, nah,

702
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 2: that's good. No, that's good. Yo, Wait a minute, that's good.

703
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: Hold on, that's good, you know, saying where'd you get

704
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: that sample? You know what I'm saying. I would give

705
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 2: them samples and shit like that. But if it wasn't

706
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: for Herbie, I'm not sure I ever Well, maybe I

707
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: would have, but I don't know if it would have

708
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: happened then. So, like, I never got to make anything

709
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: on the Dana albums, but those were the times when

710
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: I was learning how to make peace.

711
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 7: Did you tour with him?

712
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: Oh? I was. I was Dana's toy DJ. We went

713
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 2: on at least three tours for one two Yeah, yeah,

714
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: I was solding. But yeah, it's funny because in that time,

715
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: the name of the whole crew was called Idle Make

716
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 2: because it was Kidd and Play, Kwame, Salt Pepper and

717
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 2: Dana Dane and there was a couple of other groups.

718
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: So it would be times when I would DJ for

719
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: Salt Pepper, it would be times that I would DJ

720
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: for Kidding Play because we were just the crew and

721
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 2: if we if I was there and they were there

722
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: and they didn't have to and whiz wasn't it with

723
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: the records on the phone because we're the crew. So

724
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: but my main, my main job was was Dana Day.

725
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: And I think what what made working with him so

726
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,959
Speaker 2: perfect was he allowed me to help him make the show.

727
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 2: So it wasn't like all his idea dictatorship and just

728
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: play what I say. It was like what should we do?

729
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: And that's that's what made me. Indeed, me and Biggie

730
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: work so perfectly. He walked in, he was like, I

731
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: don't know how to do this ship, tell.

732
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 4: Me what to do. Does that mean you never had

733
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 4: to negotiate your rates because I was just sitting here

734
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 4: thinking like us run in a New time in that way?

735
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I mean, how do you even figure out?

736
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: How you even figured that out?

737
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: And now when when Dana and I started to work together,

738
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't. I hope this doesn't sound a way,

739
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 2: But I was already being DJ Clark in New York City.

740
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 2: I was already playing all of the clubs and being

741
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: one of the most work DJs. So when we got together,

742
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: it was just like, oh, he can make this better.

743
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: You know, when we work together, I made it better.

744
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: And to you, the music directed in in a way

745
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: it's beyond right.

746
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: Like our first show together was at the rooftop, and

747
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: and walking into the rooftop as many people who was going,

748
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: oh Ship day to day, Like there was as many

749
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: people going yo Clark Kennedy because I played the rooftop

750
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: with bruceie b a bunch of times. So they were like, Oh,

751
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: this nigga is about to get on the set. Not

752
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: the way that you think we're gonna do this. I'm

753
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: gonna be DJing for day to day. And we killed

754
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: shit because his records was on fire, you know. So

755
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: but the first time I ever did DJ form for

756
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: real was at Washington Irvan High School. It was at

757
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: a talent contest and he was the act. And this

758
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: record might have been like three weeks old. And he

759
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: comes in, but the records flaming in the street, you

760
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And he comes in and he

761
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: does the Ship and motherfuck first song nightmarees went crazy immediately.

762
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: So three weeks later, he's the guest at Washington Irban

763
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: High School. My sister was a student there, and I

764
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: was just like, oh Ship. So he's just like, Yo,

765
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: can you drop this record for me? And I was like, okay, cool.

766
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was gonna be much, but in

767
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: my mind, when I'm hearing a rap, I'm like, I'm

768
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: gonna pull it out here. Let me pull it out here.

769
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: He came over and then he was like, no, how

770
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: did you know to do that? And I was just like, well,

771
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: I just felt, you know, musically, I felt where you

772
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: were going and where where the drop should be. And

773
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: he was just like okay cool. And he had a DJ,

774
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: so times was coming and he got a couple of shows,

775
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: and like his DJ would would not show up at

776
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: certain things. So one time he just was like, Yo,

777
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 2: would you be my DJ? And I was like, let's

778
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: figure it out. And he came to my crib and

779
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: we sat there for hours working on a show, and

780
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: he entrusted me and to me because I care so

781
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: much about the music, Like I was just like, I

782
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: want this to be like an amazing show for you,

783
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: so that when they walk away, they go, this was

784
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: great to see. It was entertaining in it, you know.

785
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: So that's what that was the that was the mission

786
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: for for Daney Dane was to make sure that his

787
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: show was awesome.

788
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 4: And I just want to say the reason I asked

789
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 4: that question, and I was just asking about it because

790
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 4: it feels like this style of DJ and and all

791
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 4: of this art that it takes is not necessarily translated

792
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 4: into what people see these days as a DJ on

793
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 4: stage and live performance.

794
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: So just mak Yeah, Well, the DJs on stage nowadays

795
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: aren't necessarily DJing. They're they're standing up there within a

796
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: a piece of a piece of performance that's happening, and

797
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: they're just doing there there there look like. And if

798
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: they are doing some DJ and they're basically just dropping records.

799
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: They're not like switching beats in the middle of the

800
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: songs live. They're not on turntables making it work and

801
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: figuring out how yo if if if the crowd doesn't

802
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: go crazy, you gotta figure something else out on the fly,

803
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 2: you know, And they're not they're not doing that. Let

804
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: me just say this, there wasn't no dats when we

805
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: were when we were doing it, and There wasn't no

806
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: instant replace. It was you had instrumental records and you

807
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: had to make it work. There was no there was

808
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: no rapping to your vocals back then.

809
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: I've seen ll and Rock and few others. Well, I

810
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: now know why dub mixes were always on the B

811
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: side like rock King would have. I came and the

812
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: team fight me fighting be like then, I was like, oh,

813
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: that helps you on stage basically TV track. However, I

814
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: have a question during your tenure with Data and Dame.

815
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: Which was which was has there hold on home? I

816
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: didn't need to say that was some of the best

817
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: times for me because I learned so many things at

818
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 2: that time.

819
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: I have a question, is at any point was there

820
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: talk of like, I don't know who the other two

821
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: members of the Kangol Crew was.

822
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: Oh Lance and Omega. They were amazing, So.

823
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: Was there ever talk of them wing something together? Like

824
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: I know that I still no one still answered with

825
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: with gave me give me a straight answer on why

826
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: it took slick Rick four years to go from Lottie

827
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: Dotty to Great Adventures. But you know, at the time

828
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: when Dana Dane comes out, at least in Philadelphia, a

829
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: lot of us thought that was slick Rick, you know,

830
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: because he had like that's that snaggle Puss flow And yeah,

831
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: I knew they were in the same crew.

832
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 7: But okay, do you.

833
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: Remember snagger Puss.

834
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: I'm older than you dogs.

835
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I don't mean the cartoon. I meant

836
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: the actual.

837
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: Remember, right, everyone? He actually had bars.

838
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: Yes, he yeah, and so. But just during your period

839
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: with Dana Dayane, was there ever was slick Rick? Did

840
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: you have any slick excitings between nineteen eighty five? Of

841
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: course in nineteen eighty like post Lottie Dottie eighty five.

842
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: Like absolutely, because like I knew slick Rick, like before

843
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: the show came out, you know what I'm saying. Like

844
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: me and Doug were friends since we like seventeen, so

845
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: I knew. I knew Get Fresh crew, haven'ty and you

846
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: if you asked Chill, will and Barry we were all

847
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: teenagers when we met each other, and we were so.

848
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: No one ever had the conversation like, yo, slick Rick,

849
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: Dana Dane, do we join together?

850
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: It was actually it should have been done, but Herbie

851
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: was trying to get the Kano crew together. He had

852
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: Lance and Omega and Dana Dane and we were trying

853
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: to wrangle Slick Rick at the same time. But Rick

854
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: was getting his shit together for what would be one

855
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 2: of the greatest rap albums ever.

856
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 7: Adventures.

857
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: Ah, okay, all right, great event.

858
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 2: Great adventure is a bar, like if you tell stories,

859
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: you should be trying to tell stories better than that.

860
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: It's an impossible bar, right, which is which.

861
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 2: Makes it amazing. So that makes it really something that

862
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: sho Now.

863
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: I know in Philadelphia is you got to know somebody

864
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: that has a station wagon or a van or mini

865
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: van to really make it happen. But as a New Yorker,

866
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: how does one be an effective DJ on the train? Yeah?

867
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: Or just like walk me through, Like what year was

868
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: it that you were like, okay, I'll do your black

869
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: party and that's not your own neighborhood.

870
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy six, seventy yeah, six or seventy six.

871
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 2: I was No. Seventy seven. While in the summer seventy

872
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: seven I was I was eleven and I played at

873
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: at a Grand Master Flowers was DJing and Lincoln Terrace

874
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: Park and everybody was like, yo, you know that's the

875
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: young DJ from up the street. You know that's the

876
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 2: young boy that DJ's from up the street and they

877
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: keep telling him. He's like where. He's like, come on back,

878
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 2: come on back, and he goes, you want to play

879
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: some records? And I was like, yes, you know what

880
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like not a not an ounce of fair.

881
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: So I just start. He's like, yo, well pick out

882
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: a record you want to play. I'm in his records.

883
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: I'll pick out like forty records. He's looking at me

884
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: like he's looking at me like you know these. I

885
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 2: was like absolutely, he going, I shure he give it

886
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: a shot. By the end of it of like thirty

887
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 2: five forty minutes, he was like, oh no, he's serious.

888
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: And you know, he was like, yo, you did a

889
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: really good job. And everybody was like yoh yeah, and

890
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: understanding when Lincoln Tervice Park is be hinndred people and

891
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: usually people get dead at Lincoln Service Park. So as

892
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: soon as I got off and he told me what

893
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: he was saying, He's like, yo, man, you got something

894
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: and you're really good, keep up, keep up at it,

895
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: and you sounded very good. I was just like, okay, cool.

896
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: So I left. I went home and I went right

897
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: to my grandmother and I was like, I'm going to

898
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: DJ for the rest of my life. And she said,

899
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: as long as you finish school, you can do it.

900
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, back, I got a fit school,

901
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: but I'm going DJ all the way through it. But

902
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: the first time I played, I played a black a

903
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: block party with I was I was on somebody else's equipment,

904
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 2: but I was playing the block party. I think I

905
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: was like twelve and it was and I put a

906
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 2: hole in it because.

907
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 7: I know, what is one of the times that you

908
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 7: bombed a party? Like what is bombing for a clock?

909
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: Can't look like it hasn't happened yet. Let me knock

910
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: on some wood.

911
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's not that.

912
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: It's just that I put so much pressure on myself

913
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 2: to make sure that it doesn't happen that it just

914
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: hasn't happened. I'm not saying it can't happen.

915
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 7: So it's like my sixteen year old was like, hey,

916
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 7: come play my party like you can. You can play

917
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 7: for that crowd.

918
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely, okay, no, no, no. I just played for the

919
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 2: New York Giants yesterday and all of them are in

920
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: their early twenties and they listened to so they listened

921
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: to sixteen year old music. All of them were on

922
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: on the on the on the on the field like

923
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: I like drill music, I like I like these, I

924
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: like I love Young Thug, I love Dirk, I love

925
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: I love these.

926
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: You gotta love it to play it like that.

927
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: The difference is me. I don't love DJing. I love

928
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: music music, so I can appreciate all of it. I

929
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: understand why certain things won't make sense to some, but

930
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: I don't look at it for that. I look at

931
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: it for is the record good. It's the record good.

932
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: If the record's good, I'm gonna play the records. I'm

933
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: gonna play the good records. And that's all I think.

934
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: I don't care what kind of music it is. If

935
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: I if I can't understand the energy of it and

936
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't get played. But when I do like, I'm

937
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: going for it because I literally love the music itself.

938
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: It's much much more important than DJing. But I guess

939
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 2: that's the actual part that makes me a really, really

940
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 2: a very good DJ.

941
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: All right, So you live in a life of yes.

942
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: So that said, a life of yes.

943
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: We did an episode with with DJ Drama where everything

944
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: was a yes, yes, and a lot of those things

945
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: I would say hell. No, no, no, no, no no.

946
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't mean yes. But just like you know, if

947
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm done a gig, I want to go home immediately

948
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: he gets done a gig and then an unknown TI

949
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: is you know, chasing him to the car. You're our rhyme. Okay,

950
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: give me a number, here's my number, come to my basement.

951
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 3: That's what Drama was talking about.

952
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: I would have missed that.

953
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 2: Okay, think about this. If I don't listen, I don't

954
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: hear holes. Well, I don't. If I don't listen, my

955
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 2: cousin Foxy. If I don't listen. If I don't listen,

956
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: I'm not the first person to work with Kim. If

957
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: I don't listen, I don't have skills in my house

958
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: before any battles. You know what I'm saying. If I

959
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: don't listen, I miss it. If I don't listen, I

960
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: don't know the records. If if I don't listen, I

961
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: can bomb at a club. I come from the context

962
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: for the DJing, and because I come from that era,

963
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 2: I look at every single gig like it's the last

964
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: one some kid wants to spot. My question, is am

965
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: I giving it to you? You're bugging you gotta take it.

966
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: And if you try to come up against me in

967
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 2: a club, you gonna lose. So if I bomb, it's

968
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: going to be because no one else was there to

969
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: edge me on. And I just was like, fuck it,

970
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, if there's ten people,

971
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: those ten people are going to walk away going. I

972
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: don't know who that DJ was, but you know what

973
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: I mean. Patty Olebell went on TV talking about how

974
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: Clock can't rock her at a party, but I'm sorry,

975
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: that's of Bell. That's Auntie patty Leabelle like she's my

976
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 2: mother's age like, and she was like that DJ Clock

977
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: can't was incredible.

978
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, and that's your rep. Now you

979
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 3: gotta keep up that, keep going, keep going.

980
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: Imagine because when somebody said my name to recently, she

981
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 2: was just like, oh my god, that motherfucker. And I'm

982
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: just like, if I don't keep that up, it's over,

983
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 2: it's over because the chip on my shoulder is ignorant,

984
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So the one time I bomb,

985
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: it's going to be the last night. Somebody's gonna be

986
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: like never again because they want it so bad for

987
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: me to.

988
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: Borrow, right, all Right, let's go to when you're fourteen fifteen,

989
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: when you're like, got some years and and whatnot. So

990
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: this is what I want to know. I mean, in

991
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two now, especially in the world of Serrado,

992
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: probably the biggest problem that we have as DJs is

993
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: that it's too much information, way too many options. I now.

994
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a MacBook Pro that can hold

995
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: about four terror bytes of music, and so for me

996
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: to figure out I mean, on an average, even though

997
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: I prepare for like three hundred songs, usually before a gig,

998
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: I'll have the two hundred that I'm ready to rock

999
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: or whatever. But back in the day when there aren't

1000
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 1: that many records left.

1001
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 2: Before you say that, I'm gonna ask you a question

1002
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: and tell me if you believe this. Okay, would you

1003
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: believe if I told you I don't go I'm gonna

1004
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 2: prepare this?

1005
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: Oh, I absolutely believe. I believe I'm only human being

1006
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: that Well, I'll put it this way. I'm preparing for

1007
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: the Gold Party next year right now, and I got

1008
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: maybe thirty songs that I like that I have to

1009
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: play and shit. But that's also like a fault of

1010
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: mind that I'm trying to not do something I'm trying

1011
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: to be not as calculating.

1012
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: Well, well, you should know my creativity. There's plenty of

1013
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: people that do that. I just I just can't do it. No.

1014
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: I mean that's I believe you. I believe that you

1015
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: can be in the moment and know this will work good. Next,

1016
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: This will work good next.

1017
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: That comes from being a club DJ for my whole life.

1018
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a club DJ. So I don't. I don't.

1019
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: I don't.

1020
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: I don't call myself a show DJ. I don't call

1021
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: myself a radio DJ. Have I done shows? Can I

1022
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: do shows? Yes? Can I do radio? Yes? Can I

1023
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 2: do all of those things? Yes? I never call myself

1024
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: a mixta DJ. I'm a club DJ. And because I'm

1025
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: a club DJ, like, I really can't prepare. I gotta

1026
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 2: be Oh shit, that's what's happened. Oh let me turn

1027
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 2: this ship into some other ship.

1028
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: So you work on the spot, okay, Yeah, and I

1029
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: see that.

1030
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you where I work from. I work

1031
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: from here. It's what my heart's telling me to do

1032
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: every time I put a record on.

1033
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 3: Oh so you take requests?

1034
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: Never, damn.

1035
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 3: I just want to slide that in but that is guy.

1036
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: Let me amend that. Okay. Person I will actually pay

1037
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: attention to about about a request is my wife.

1038
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,959
Speaker 3: Okay, but she probably don't, don't She don't.

1039
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: But the other part is if she does, she's so

1040
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 2: in tune to where my mind is musically, it's almost

1041
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: like I can go for the suggestion that's a good one,

1042
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And it's because she's been

1043
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 2: around me for so long playing like she can damn

1044
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: near tell this might work for him as well work

1045
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 2: for me.

1046
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: No more, rabbitble. Walk me through DJing in your formative years,

1047
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: Like how many records do you feel is needed for?

1048
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 1: First of all? How long are DJ gigs?

1049
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: No less than six hours? Like? No less? Because I

1050
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: was playing a club around the corner from my crib

1051
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: when I was fourteen, and that's when I learned how

1052
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 2: old how long you gotta play? And that night I

1053
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 2: had like six Crates records. Every night after that I

1054
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: played there, I would have like twelve.

1055
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: Se going through all them. Or do you have to

1056
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: repeat brick House four times already?

1057
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: Or no? Never? That's another thing. I don't don't repeat

1058
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: records in a party. I can't do it. I don't

1059
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 2: even understand. It's too there's too much music in the

1060
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: world to do that. He said, it's too must music

1061
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: your quest. Here's something else. I never played slide, I

1062
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 2: never played line records.

1063
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: I told you that.

1064
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: Records and I play and I play.

1065
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: That means you never did You never did a wedding.

1066
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 2: No, I've done weddings. That just I just tell them

1067
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it.

1068
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 7: Not a no electric slide, none of that, no dance.

1069
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 2: If you got if you got to do a record

1070
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: like that, that means that means you can't make them dance.

1071
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 3: The gag gets to make them not even remember that

1072
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 3: they didn't even hit them records.

1073
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: You're right, and and and it's so many records that

1074
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 2: people do the electric slide to. Why do I have

1075
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: to play? Right? Come on, I don't have to tell

1076
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: you to do the dance. If you want to do

1077
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 2: what you want to do it, you're gonna find a

1078
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: record to do it, and they will do it. If

1079
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 2: they want to do it, they'll do it to damn

1080
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 2: day anything.

1081
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: How does the format for the originals work when the

1082
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: five of you, y'all have eclectic taste, but you guys

1083
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 1: are also kind of left the center of that. Yeah,

1084
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you how do you guys decide?

1085
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: Because rich too, and especially in times of like when

1086
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: you guys do your your your gigs, like is it

1087
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 1: just like all right, you do three records, I'm gonna

1088
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: do three records. You do three records, I'm gonna do three.

1089
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: How is what's the format?

1090
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: The format is set up already. It's half an hour

1091
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: each and we keep rotating the half hours. If it's

1092
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: only three, then it's just going to be an hour

1093
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: and a half, and then there's then I'm back for

1094
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: an hour and a half and I'm back hour and

1095
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: a half. If it's four, then it's two hours and

1096
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm back two hours. You know what I'm saying. So

1097
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: if it's all five of us throughout the night, you'll

1098
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 2: hear everybody twice because it's half hour sets, and no

1099
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 2: matter how many people is there, the idea of the

1100
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 2: Originals is five DJs who are friends, who really care

1101
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: about each other, who just want to have fun. So

1102
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: whether we're all there or not, we're just gonna make

1103
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: sure at the nightest one.

1104
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 3: Y'all killed it during COVID. I appreciate that when y'all

1105
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 3: will give us the love.

1106
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: I feel like a big part of your your greatness

1107
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: is kind of your social skills. When did you learn

1108
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: the power of meeting people, a kind of making connections,

1109
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, Because I mean, you're also known

1110
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: as the man who knows everyone. There's literally no one

1111
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: I can stump you on in terms of a notable

1112
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: figure in history that you're not in contact with, So like,

1113
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: at what point are you taking an extra step to

1114
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: get to know this person? Take this person's card, and

1115
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: what they would call making moves politic.

1116
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: Literally, it's about what I respect the person that I'm

1117
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: being and if I do, then I feel like we

1118
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: can have a real conversation. And then most times I'm

1119
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 2: having a conversation on the spot, and that lets me

1120
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: know whether it can be something else or now whether

1121
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: it was yo, make sure you call me h yo.

1122
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: Let's let's set up me in and I let it

1123
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: be on them, because you know, like, I'm not I'm

1124
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: not pressing anybody to do things with me. I'm just like,

1125
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: maybe we can do some cool shit. And if we

1126
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: can do some cool shit, then cool, we'll do it.

1127
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 2: But I leave it up to them and I let

1128
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: my track records speak for everything that I'm doing. So

1129
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: like when I meet somebody from a shoe company, like,

1130
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit there and be like, oh,

1131
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: I did this many projects. I'm just like, how you doing?

1132
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 2: Nice to meet you, But maybe we could figure something

1133
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: out and I let it move that way and let

1134
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: the person decide whether they should or they shouldn't. And

1135
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 2: if they don't really know everything and they start doing

1136
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 2: the history, maybe they'll walk away going, oh, I definitely got.

1137
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 4: To do something.

1138
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 2: I mean and that and that. That goes across everything.

1139
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: It goes across music, it goes across sneakers, it goes

1140
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 2: us everything. Like like one of the first things I

1141
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: do when I meet a new rapper is I ask

1142
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 2: them about records. Like I'm talking like in the first

1143
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: three minutes, I'm like, yo, have you ever heard America's

1144
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: Most Wanted? If you tell if you're telling me you

1145
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: make an album, it's a classic to me, you have

1146
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: to know what classic st ACKs. So have you America's

1147
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: Most Wanted? Well? Okay, cool, when you do understand what

1148
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 2: that is, how at me? But when you don't, you

1149
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: really can't talk to me about no rap. You can't

1150
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: talk to me about rap if you don't know what

1151
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 2: the greatest advents is. If you can't, if you can't

1152
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 2: tell me what it takes a nation of millions, if

1153
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: you can't tell me low end theory like dog, you

1154
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 2: can't Yo. There's there's so many rappers that are making

1155
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: records right now that think Reverend run is a freaking reverend. Yeah,

1156
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: and that's it.

1157
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 7: That's all.

1158
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: But I blame I blame us for that.

1159
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: I am in total agreeings. We have a culture that

1160
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 2: doesn't cultivate itself facts, so so I expect these things.

1161
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 2: But when you come to me talking about you and

1162
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 2: MC and all of that, if you say you an

1163
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: m C and not a rapper, oh well you got

1164
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: to know MC ship. I'm going to ask you about

1165
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 2: MC ship. And then if you were a rapper, I'm

1166
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: asking about rapper ship, you know. Like, but if you can't,

1167
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, when you do, I'll mm hmm.

1168
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: What was your first non DJing for notable MC figure

1169
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: job in the industry, like your first Clark Kent as

1170
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: a and R Clark Kent.

1171
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 2: As Yeah, I was I was an r at Uh.

1172
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: It's funny because I was an R at Epic Records

1173
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:38,959
Speaker 2: for like two days.

1174
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: Oh period.

1175
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is right before I went to Atlantic.

1176
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 2: So this is.

1177
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: No stop that.

1178
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 2: I didn't do that.

1179
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: No, Hansole was very crucial to He paid it for it. Okay, ok,

1180
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: very quickly. No, but you worked at what period? Did

1181
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: you work at Epic?

1182
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 2: It was eighty nine. So one day Timmy calls me.

1183
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: He was like, Yo, I'm about to send you to

1184
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 2: send you to Epic Record. You're gonna go work over there.

1185
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: And I was like what. He was like, Yeah, You're

1186
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 2: gonna go do an R And I was like, fuck

1187
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 2: is A and R?

1188
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 3: You go?

1189
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: You're gonna be looking for new artists and trying to

1190
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 2: sign new artists. I was like, oh shit, they're gonna

1191
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 2: pay you this much. I was like what. I was like,

1192
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 2: bet I gotta run the streets chasing chasing it anymore

1193
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 2: like I. And then like when I got into the

1194
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: first meeting, I was like, can I still DJ clubs?

1195
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: Is that okay? And they were like, we definitely want

1196
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 2: you to DJ. I definitely want you to stay on

1197
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: the radio. We definitely want you.

1198
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 3: To definitely want you to stay on radio.

1199
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 2: We definitely want you to have your pulse on everything.

1200
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 2: So two days go by. On the third day, Timmy

1201
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 2: calls me. He was like, okay, pack of shit, you're

1202
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: gonna quit. And I'm like, what what did you talking about?

1203
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 2: You just sent me here. This is your man that

1204
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: I'm working with, Like, what are you doing? Like, he goes,

1205
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 2: you're gonna quit, You're gonna go work with Merlin And

1206
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: I was like, what that? Because he's my man? And

1207
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: he walks me into Silvia Rohan's office and then I

1208
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 2: met my mother in the music business. Wow, and what

1209
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 2: he uses ninety She gave me an education? What was that?

1210
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 7: What was some of the jews she gave you?

1211
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 2: Why?

1212
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 4: Now?

1213
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 2: What what she gave me was about understanding what we're

1214
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 2: trying to pick, what we're trying to do musically, and

1215
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 2: how the deals work, and how the business works, and

1216
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 2: and all of the ugliness of it. And she kept

1217
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 2: it funky boy, like this is ugly, but this is this,

1218
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, we don't have to

1219
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 2: tell an artist to go figure out your business. The

1220
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 2: artist should be trying to figure out hiss. And the

1221
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 2: reason why she said it like that was because it's

1222
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 2: super duper clear, it's not the music. It's the music business.

1223
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 2: So just because you know the music doesn't mean you

1224
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 2: hear properly. That means you got to go figure out

1225
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 2: the business. So when you get in it, you got

1226
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: something with you so that you can go, I'm not

1227
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: taking that deal. And your lawyer is nine times out

1228
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 2: of ten a friend with the lawyer at the company,

1229
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 2: So you gotta have your lawyer working for you instead

1230
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: of working to make those deals happen so he can

1231
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 2: get people.

1232
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 6: Don't you think that's a little unfair to expect that

1233
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 6: of people who have no fucking clue of any of this.

1234
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 6: Like you know, someone who can have a talent and say, okay,

1235
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 6: you're a great rapper, sing or whatever.

1236
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: Guess what you're right. So you know what I did

1237
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 2: to every artist that came to the office. I told him,

1238
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 2: please learn the business. Whether I'm giving you a deal

1239
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: or not, please learn the business so this don't happen.

1240
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 2: Let me tell you about this.

1241
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 3: Let me pass a passing book, or I'm just joking.

1242
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 3: It's not yourlity.

1243
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 2: But all that I told him about I told him

1244
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 2: about those two books. Every single artist that came to me,

1245
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 2: whether I liked them or I didn't I was like,

1246
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 2: learn the business because it's gonna be terrible. That's the

1247
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 2: reason my Dame's Damon Dasher's deals were good because I'm

1248
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: sitting in the office going, I'm about to give you

1249
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 2: a deal, but you need to go do this so

1250
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 2: that your deal can be back. Really, you know what

1251
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Understanding there is not an artist player for

1252
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 2: the other team. No I played. I looked at it

1253
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 2: like I'm an artist and if I'm going to be

1254
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: producing some of you getting jerked up is me jerking

1255
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 2: myself up. So let me make sure you don't get

1256
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 2: jerked up. So it goes right.

1257
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: Just in that period, you know, especially in nineteen ninety

1258
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: New York, man, it was like.

1259
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 2: It was it was.

1260
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: It was the gold Rust, the Wild West. And you know,

1261
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: I know that Dante is getting numbers on the boards

1262
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: for like the acts that he signed, But for you one,

1263
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: can you talk about near misses of acts that you

1264
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: tried to sign, that that you close put the cigar

1265
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: acts that you had and what is the process of

1266
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: you trying to get an act? Like are you the

1267
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: sports agent that has to go to their crib.

1268
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,959
Speaker 2: And like, yo, do you want the answer to that? First.

1269
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 2: The first things first, I never really had to go

1270
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,919
Speaker 2: to an artist's crib because again I was already being

1271
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 2: DJ Clode Cancer. They were coming to my office and

1272
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 2: if I like them, I'm trying to sign them. So

1273
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 2: I had nas before anybody. Like as soon as I

1274
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 2: heard the barbecue, I called Oconelly. I was like, bring

1275
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 2: him to my office because I was working on a

1276
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 2: deal between It was I was working on a deal

1277
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 2: for Ocinelly, where I had a bidding war with with

1278
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: Jimmy Ivan, and of course I'm just a director of

1279
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: and I'm not a vice president. Jimmy Ivan won that

1280
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 2: war easily, but Cockinelly and lost refessor on my man's

1281
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 2: I was like, who's that kid on the barbecue or

1282
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 2: that's not bring them? And I probably wasn't clear because

1283
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: I was like, bring him and bring his demo. When

1284
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 2: he came out in front of me, it's me and

1285
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:02,919
Speaker 2: him and Acnelli, I was like, you'll give me a demo.

1286
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't have a demo. I was like

1287
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 2: what after that, you ain't got a demo? Like that's

1288
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 2: going through my mind and I was just like so

1289
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: I had to say to him. I was like, yo,

1290
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 2: I'm not a vice president, like I'm not the president.

1291
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 2: I'm a director. When I bring something, I gotta show

1292
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 2: him the music. So like you know, like Oconelly had

1293
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 2: a bunch of songs. I was, I was walking it

1294
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 2: through to him. I was like, I gotta, I gotta

1295
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 2: play the music to get to try to get to

1296
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 2: that point. And and I said, you know, we just

1297
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 2: signed Effects. They had damn near our whole album done.

1298
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 2: Like he walks out of the meeting rightfully, so there

1299
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 2: was nothing to do. But I was just like, please, like,

1300
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: if you got some songs, get me the songs or whatever.

1301
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 2: He walks out of the meeting. Years later he makes

1302
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 2: a record and then the record he goes Clark Kent

1303
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 2: wouldn't sign me because he signed Effects, And I was like,

1304
01:07:56,280 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 2: that's not what happened. I was like, you know, Weed

1305
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 2: is something. But like you know, Oconnelly, I lost Oconnelly

1306
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 2: too to Jimmy I Bean, I lost, I lost I

1307
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 2: lost my Deep to Bones Malone.

1308
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 3: M hmm.

1309
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. When they when they were political profits. When they

1310
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 2: were they were in my office, like I was trying

1311
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 2: to sign these these little boys, and it was this

1312
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 2: chick who managed them, who was cool with Dame, so

1313
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 2: Dame was halfway managing them to so I was just like,

1314
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 2: shake the soft Family, we're gonna go. And Bones had

1315
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 2: heard them like the day before me, so he was

1316
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 2: trying to sign them and he he yeah, he was

1317
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 2: at Fourth Broadway, so like he already had something like

1318
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 2: the day before. So it was almost like I'm going

1319
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,560
Speaker 2: to have to fight with my man, and I was

1320
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,759
Speaker 2: just like, no, I can't. I can't fight with Bones

1321
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: about this. And then the the way that they were

1322
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 2: structured with the girl, I was like, you know, what

1323
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 2: to what you want to do? But I was they

1324
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: would have been wherever I was at and I still

1325
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 2: got number of love for him.

1326
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeoh, I'm glad you mentioned this. Can you tell me

1327
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: how long it took for Dis Effects to create their

1328
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: first album? After they had the single the album, that's

1329
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 1: where it got they were just you know, the album

1330
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: was snaps every beat.

1331
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 2: The album was done practically maybe one song off. When

1332
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 2: they came to the office, Wow, We're all we were

1333
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 2: all like, oh, ship, like this is it?

1334
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: What member of who did the who did the production

1335
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: on that album? That's one thing that was never made,

1336
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: was it p M D Or was it.

1337
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 7: It was that was christ Charity.

1338
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was them. It was solid scheme. What's

1339
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: crazy is I didn't even notice until later when when

1340
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 2: when the deal was done, Like they brought the whole

1341
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 2: crew to the office and I'm like, I'm looking at

1342
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 2: solid skin, like, yo, don I know y'all, and they're like, yeah,

1343
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 2: we live on the next block from you. And I

1344
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 2: was like I was looking at them, like your motherfuckers

1345
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 2: make beats. You did all of this ship. They were like, yeah,

1346
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 2: we was doing it in the crib up the street

1347
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 2: from you, and I was just like, fuck, I know, y'all.

1348
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: Why didn't you I just so y'all as the kids

1349
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 2: from up the block, why didn't you say something? He said, well,

1350
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 2: you know, Paris was like he's going to bring it

1351
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 2: to where you was at. So I figured we find out.

1352
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, what, like, I didn't have to do this,

1353
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 2: didn't have to go that way. It could have went

1354
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 2: through y'all. It could have been a solid skame production

1355
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 2: and you know, yeah, but they did. They did all

1356
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 2: of it, and it was literally done before the deal

1357
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: was done.

1358
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,640
Speaker 1: Now, I mean I'm in an error where okay, if

1359
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 1: something fresh comes out everybody's biting it a second later.

1360
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,679
Speaker 1: I mean, so common now that you know, I don't.

1361
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's it's just the you know,

1362
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: the lay of the land, like some dope comes and

1363
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 1: then you got to do your version of it. But

1364
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:16,839
Speaker 1: I've just never seen a domino effect or sea change

1365
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: effect happened so rapidly in hip hop. Then when after

1366
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: dost effects came out. So could you just talk at

1367
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: least from the from the behind the scenes standpoint or

1368
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: what it was like like when you heard that song,

1369
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: you knew that you had lightning in a bottle?

1370
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I knew that. I knew that

1371
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 2: it was going to be crazy because of how funny

1372
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 2: enough at that moment, how different it was. But I

1373
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 2: didn't literally feel it was so different, because you have

1374
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 2: to remember at that time, I was trying to find

1375
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 2: jay Z and Jazz, and they were doing it in

1376
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 2: the eighties.

1377
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 1: So they were tongue twitched it even way before that.

1378
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 2: No, No, they were I'm talking about the eighties. The

1379
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 2: Originators came out in the eighties, Yeah, and they were

1380
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 2: doing what you heard, the riggy did dig did the sticky?

1381
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 2: All of that shit was in the Originators records, and

1382
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 2: the tripling was in the Originators records, so like they

1383
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 2: were doing it from in the eighties and I was

1384
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 2: trying to find them. But when this happened, I was like, Okay, yeah,

1385
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 2: we have to do this. This is this emergency, right,

1386
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 2: so we do it. She goes crazy, but then yes,

1387
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 2: a ton of motherfuckers just all of a sudden, we're

1388
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 2: riggedy and sticky and and I was just like, wow,

1389
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,759
Speaker 2: but that's happened from the beginning of time. The second

1390
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 2: song that was ever made as a sample of the

1391
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 2: first song, but did you?

1392
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: I almost feel like the the this is the one

1393
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 1: the rare times where I felt like it was super

1394
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: effects right, but I almost felt like it it killed

1395
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 1: any momentum that they had that by the time the

1396
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: next album came, You know, were you involved at all

1397
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: in the the the A and R and the development.

1398
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 2: Of Yes and I'm produced On that album. They didn't

1399
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 2: change a lot, but they went more to the fact

1400
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 2: that yo, we actually can wrap you know what I'm saying.

1401
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 2: And I was like, that's a cool idea. People are

1402
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 2: going to be expecting you to do one thing, so

1403
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 2: doing what you're doing might not work. Out properly, but

1404
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 2: it didn't mean that we shouldn't let them try it.

1405
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 2: And some of their like better rap record like rap

1406
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 2: Ability records, came from that second album.

1407
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you, man, I was always curious

1408
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 6: about your work with Rob Kim on his album, you know,

1409
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 6: the Eighteenth Letter. What was it like, because that was

1410
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 6: at the point of his career where he was really

1411
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 6: you know, you don't call it a comeback, but that

1412
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 6: was you know, he was setting up, you know, the

1413
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 6: next chapter of his career.

1414
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 2: That was exactly what it was.

1415
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, how what was your approach as a

1416
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 6: producer saying I right, we're gonna take you. Was the

1417
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 6: goal to get him on the radio, get him in

1418
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,799
Speaker 6: the club? Like what what was your mind as a producer?

1419
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 2: The goal was to get him interested in rapping two

1420
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 2: Wow things that I came up with, like slick Rick two.

1421
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 2: When I worked on slick Rick's album, when he came

1422
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 2: home from jail, Like I made tracks for like two

1423
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 2: weeks and he wouldn't even come in the room. Here's

1424
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 2: something a lot of people don't know. When rock him

1425
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 2: was like eleven wine dance Day happened and there was

1426
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 2: a guy named King Charles from Queens that had a

1427
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 2: stupid sound system and he used to bring the sound

1428
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 2: system to Wine Dance Day. He brought me with him

1429
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 2: one year and I'm djaying and this little dude is

1430
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 2: on the mic on a crate and it was rock Him.

1431
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 2: So later on, later on, when I'm when when we're

1432
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 2: sitting in the studio and now I've known rock him

1433
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 2: since the beginning of rock him, like making records, just

1434
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 2: cool rock him, just like cool. We meet each other

1435
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 2: and your crew knows I know all these dudes in

1436
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 2: your crew, so we're just going to know each other

1437
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 2: like that, right, And we're sitting in the studio and

1438
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 2: I say, you, oh, when's the first time he wound

1439
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 2: that Wine Dance Day? He said, how you know I

1440
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 2: round that Wine Dance Day. I said, I'll tell you

1441
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 2: in a second. So when's the first time? He said? Yo, man,

1442
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 2: I think I was like eleven. I said, I believe

1443
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 2: you were eleven. He was like, how you know that?

1444
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 2: Because I was DJing. He was like, wait a minute, clock,

1445
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 2: So you was my DJ the first time I got

1446
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 2: on a mic at a park jam And I was like,

1447
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 2: how about that?

1448
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 7: That's crazy?

1449
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 2: Man? Like it might not even make sense to people

1450
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 2: that I'm older than rock him doesn't, right, you know

1451
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

1452
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,959
Speaker 1: So it's like I feel like he's older than everybody.

1453
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 2: The reason why is because at sixteen he became the

1454
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 2: most important MC period. Bro Chim is literally literally the

1455
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 2: most important MC ever.

1456
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 6: So when y'all were making back we're making an album,

1457
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 6: how we were able to fit him into a I

1458
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 6: guess back then will be a.

1459
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 7: Modern day contract? What was your what was your process?

1460
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 2: I literally for almost two sessions just sat around talking

1461
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 2: to him after and are mad at me, like cluck,

1462
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 2: you're wasting money. I'm like, no, this is actually going

1463
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 2: to help you because I'm getting him into a place

1464
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 2: of he wants to really really wrap to some some

1465
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 2: ship that might not necessarily be regularly yoused. And that

1466
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 2: thing that we did for two years got him to

1467
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 2: trust me, right, But then at the at the advent

1468
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 2: of him trusting me, I was like, he can't trust

1469
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 2: nobody else. So I would have beats from whomever at

1470
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 2: the n R would give me because it basically became

1471
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 2: I'm gonna like basically and on the album right cool,

1472
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 2: So I'm showing them beats that I'm like, he's a good,

1473
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 2: A good, he's good, and he's going yo, who did this?

1474
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 2: And when I tell him, he's going on and I'm like,

1475
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 2: so what I started doing? When I got a beat

1476
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 2: that I thought he should round two, I was like,

1477
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 2: I did it? Oh bet yo, let me go right

1478
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 2: to this. I don't give it, damn how I gotta

1479
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 2: get get it. That's me being a recognisic, a record

1480
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 2: company got I'm gonna get this. I'm gonna geta get

1481
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:08,799
Speaker 2: ship done. So I did that for producers that weren't

1482
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 2: quite more famous enough for him to the only producer

1483
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 2: that he actually was like, okay, I trust him his premier, yeah, Pete.

1484
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 2: He just didn't necessarily like say oh yeah immediately I

1485
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 2: had to be like, yo, this should fire, you know,

1486
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 2: Pete p gave's fire and then he would listen.

1487
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 7: And socc begins.

1488
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 1: That was my joint right, But the fact the fact that.

1489
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 2: He ran to guess who's back was mind blowing to me.

1490
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 2: But then it gave me the ability to do something

1491
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 2: that I really didn't get to do on records, like

1492
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 2: the whole end of the record I'm scratching, which I

1493
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 2: didn't really do on records a lot, but I was like,

1494
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 2: he was like, yo, man, get to this because of

1495
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 2: the intro of the record. Once again, back is the incredible.

1496
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 2: He's like, yo, you you got to scratch that at

1497
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,560
Speaker 2: the end of the record. And I'm just like, oh no,

1498
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 2: I don't. This record's going to have a hard end.

1499
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 2: He was like nope, and he would challenge me by going, Okay,

1500
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:11,839
Speaker 2: I'll do the scratches.

1501
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 6: As the producer of MAFI Players Anthem, what were your

1502
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 6: thoughts on J Brews and Three Moods?

1503
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:21,759
Speaker 7: You're playing yourself?

1504
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I've known Primo since he was

1505
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 2: in college, and like we're like we're really all like

1506
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 2: super old school friends. Like when I was with Dana Dane.

1507
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 2: We did a show at Priview University. He was a

1508
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 2: DJ for the night okay, and the show was in

1509
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 2: a gym and he was on the stack and I

1510
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 2: was like, Yo, nice to meet you, DJR Yo DJ Premier.

1511
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 2: There was no Game Star, it was DJ Premier. I'm like, Yo,

1512
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 2: good to meet you, man. And I was like, yo,

1513
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 2: you you're playing ship. You know what I'm saying. You're

1514
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 2: getting it off And he was like, yo, thank you.

1515
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 2: And I get on we do the show with Dana Dane,

1516
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 2: and we instantly became cool. And I would do parties

1517
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 2: at the Rhyme Stone Wrangler in Houston, and I damned

1518
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 2: there was famous in Houston for playing at the Rhymestone

1519
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 2: Wrangler with Off pe Cola and uh Steve Foyer. And

1520
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 2: I was super tight with James James Smith at that time,

1521
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: So like when the advent of Gangstar came, I was like,

1522
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 2: I know we know each other already, you know, so

1523
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 2: we're super cool. So when the record got made, I

1524
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 2: actually literally was like, did I do something wrong the print?

1525
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 2: I was like, because I was like I love that guy,

1526
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 2: like I love him and I believe he loves me too,

1527
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 2: And I was like, how did you just do that?

1528
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 2: You know? It really was about the idea of the song.

1529
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 2: He played yourself and he was going at Biggie, so

1530
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 2: it was like he was going at Biggie on something

1531
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 2: Biggie did. So I was like, Noah, I love for

1532
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 2: man for man loves me and I think nothing of

1533
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,560
Speaker 2: this ship, but I did. First. I was like, he

1534
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 2: murdered that ship. So the thing is, I was like,

1535
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 2: he might have made a fill beat. I just made

1536
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 2: the better song. So I was cool. I was cool

1537
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 2: with both. You got the beat, but that's because I

1538
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 2: looked at it like a producer and not like a

1539
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 2: guy who was just listening to the song. But once

1540
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 2: I got to the song card, I was like, yeah,

1541
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 2: my song kills that, but your beat, your beat kills mine. Yo. Listen, man.

1542
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 2: One time I was in the club and all of

1543
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 2: a sudden, the DJ in the club plays you are

1544
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 2: what I'm all about and he starts manipulating the sample

1545
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 2: in Siado, so it goes boom dunk dum dumdoom, and

1546
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 2: I'm just like, fucking Quest, I'm gonna kill you. You.

1547
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 2: It was you who did it, and I was we

1548
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 2: were as Santos and I was like, oh, Quest is wild,

1549
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 2: He's wild. So I just I just like that was

1550
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 2: that was super duper ill, And I was like, you

1551
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 2: know what, how did I ever feel bad about that? Like?

1552
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 2: Quest is the premiere is freaking amazing. Premiere to me

1553
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 2: is the best boombag producer ever, like ever ever ever? Yeah, yeah,

1554
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 2: did come.

1555
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of battles. Speaking of battles, I know that

1556
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,879
Speaker 1: you were one of the organizers of the Battle Forwards

1557
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: World Supremacy. Now you mentioned Merlyn Bob, which I'm gonna ask,

1558
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,719
Speaker 1: did you do any time at a lecture whatsoever?

1559
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,719
Speaker 2: Well, if you worked at East West, you worked at Atlantic,

1560
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 2: East West and Electric.

1561
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: So were you the one that signed uh Supernat to

1562
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: his deal of Electric?

1563
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 2: No, but I was the one who got the ability

1564
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 2: to sign an artist to the deal. So basically the

1565
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 2: deal was a prize. But the deal was a prize

1566
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 2: because I walked in and was like, yo, I do

1567
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 2: this contest and da da da da da da. I

1568
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 2: need to be able to sign the artists who wins.

1569
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 2: And they were like okay, And so it was the prize.

1570
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 2: It wasn't like I'm saying I want to sign. It

1571
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 2: was like, no, this is a prize. Like and it's

1572
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 2: crazy because people didn't even know that was a surprise.

1573
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,600
Speaker 2: That was the prize. Like you get there and you

1574
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 2: think you're just battling for this world supremacy belt. I

1575
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 2: mean at that time I had switched it from belts

1576
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 2: to jackets that you could wear every day because you

1577
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 2: couldn't wear a belt, and a ring that you could

1578
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 2: wear every day because you couldn't wear a belt, and

1579
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 2: and you know, special things like we're gonna get you

1580
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 2: like a little setup and shit. But once they said

1581
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 2: it'll be a deal that we give, I was like, Oh,

1582
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 2: they just gonna get a jacket the gold ring and

1583
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 2: then they're gonna get this deal and that's going to

1584
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 2: fuck them up. So when they when it was happening

1585
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 2: and the ship was over and Supernatural won and I

1586
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 2: was like, by the way, you just gotta deal that

1587
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 2: Electric Records. He was like, I got a what. I

1588
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, he still won it, even though yeah

1589
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 2: he wanted yeah, he won the battle. The Craig G

1590
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 2: thing wasn't a part of the battle. That was just

1591
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 2: Craig G. One night in between the two nights, he

1592
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 2: was just like he got up and was like, Yo,

1593
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 2: I kick this nigga's ass on the mic. That's the

1594
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 2: way I heard it come back. And then they battled

1595
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 2: and Craig G craig G roast. Okay, Craig G won

1596
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 2: the battle. I'm gonna say it like that. And the

1597
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 2: reason why I'm gonna say it like that is because

1598
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 2: when the battle was about to happen the next day,

1599
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, I'm hearing last night that there

1600
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 2: was a battle between Craig Ge and Supernatural and Supernatural,

1601
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 2: I mean and Craig g bus his ass. Those are

1602
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 2: the words I used, right, And at the same time,

1603
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 2: Supernatural had a show on ninety seven. Once a week

1604
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 2: he would be on ninety seven. He goes on the

1605
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 2: show and goes, you know, I like to shout out

1606
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 2: to everybody who came out to the battle. You know,

1607
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,719
Speaker 2: I won, Da da da da. But Clark cancer Snake?

1608
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 2: Oh wait what I was like Clark to Snake? How

1609
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 2: you know? So I'm a little angry and I see him,

1610
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:11,839
Speaker 2: I'm like, Yo, what are you talking about? Then, instead

1611
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 2: of really trying to have a conversation with him, I

1612
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 2: went to KRS and I was like, who was managing him?

1613
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, talk to your man. Talk to

1614
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 2: your man, because if you don't talk to your man,

1615
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna choke. Talk to your man. And it got

1616
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 2: to a point where I was like, dog, like, you're

1617
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 2: not talking to your man. Your man should go on

1618
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 2: the radio and apologize because just because I had I

1619
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 2: respoke about some shit that happened the day before. I'm

1620
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 2: a snake. You just won my battle. I gave you

1621
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 2: a record deal. What is you talking about? You win?

1622
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 3: Right?

1623
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 2: Right? You won? Like we just talking about what happened

1624
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 2: the night before before you won the battle. So I'm

1625
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,560
Speaker 2: just like, so that makes me a snake because I

1626
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 2: mentioned what happened the night before, even though you in

1627
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 2: the same day won the battle. So some weeks went

1628
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 2: buying any apology. He invited me up to the radio

1629
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 2: and here because some things happened in the middle, and

1630
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,560
Speaker 2: then he invited me to the radio to apologize, and

1631
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 2: I was just like, cool, you know, I left it

1632
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 2: the way it was, but I just could not understand

1633
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 2: why you would take that route after me just repeating

1634
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 2: what I heard the night about the night before and

1635
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 2: then you won, So it was like, who cares?

1636
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 7: What did you work on his album? And I know

1637
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 7: the album never dropped, but would you involved at all?

1638
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 7: You weren't involved.

1639
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't involved.

1640
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you got him the deal

1641
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: VA winning the contest, but you had nothing to do

1642
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 1: with an RN. No. I'm only asking this because the

1643
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 1: first day that he records one of his tracks is

1644
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 1: also the first day like he's in studio c at

1645
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 1: Battery Studios, and this is the first day that the

1646
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 1: Roots and Bob Power are mixing down. Uh, what will

1647
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: eventually be d you want more. It's like our first

1648
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:04,759
Speaker 1: day of mixing, and maybe we were in like Supernat

1649
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 1: and Tarika were really tight, so I think we spent

1650
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: like just two hours in his breakroom and chilling whatever.

1651
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 1: And he's like tracking the song and he's working on

1652
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: a song called when I was King. When I was King.

1653
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 1: When I was King, I ruled everything like it reaked

1654
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 1: of a keras one hook. But I noticed that every

1655
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: time he started a verse, it was a new verse

1656
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, no, no, I don't like that.

1657
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: Let's do it again. So it's like, I don't know

1658
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: to take two, and then he does the hook and

1659
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: then it was enough and I realized he was like,

1660
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this entire album freestyle, like I'm not

1661
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 1: gonna write anything. And I was like, yo, this is

1662
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: a recipe for disaster. So I always one I wanted

1663
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: to know did that album ever get completed? And this

1664
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 1: also is a nice, wonderful segue into another person that

1665
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 1: attempted to do that actually made made some made some

1666
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 1: some some traction with it, which is of course I

1667
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: gotta ask you, what was it about jay Z that

1668
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: you that made you say? Because I believe your quote

1669
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 1: to me was like I knew he was the greatest

1670
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,679
Speaker 1: the first time I heard him. Yeah, Like, normally someone

1671
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 1: builds up to that, but how did you know?

1672
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 2: I knew because he was saying rhymes that were better

1673
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,560
Speaker 2: than the guys that I thought were the best. But

1674
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 2: they were like so much better that I was like, Wow,

1675
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 2: these guys aren't aren't even like close. Him and Jazz

1676
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 2: to me, were like the most elite MC's I ever heard.

1677
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 2: But Jay had something else. He had the rest of

1678
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 2: the package, you understand, Like Jazz had no bars like

1679
01:27:57,320 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 2: Jazz's bars, like and sanity. He would say things that

1680
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 2: I would have to be.

1681
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 3: Like wow, and we would be in the room like wow,

1682
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 3: did he.

1683
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:11,640
Speaker 2: Just say that? But then Jay would go in and

1684
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 2: saytion shit and we'd be like wow. But everything else

1685
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 2: was attached to it. It was like this flow, the

1686
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 2: style of cadence, the attitude. You walked away believing every

1687
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 2: single word he said, and I was just like, Yeah,

1688
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 2: that's this guy's He's going to be looked at as

1689
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:28,759
Speaker 2: the greatest.

1690
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: Why do you think it took so long for quote

1691
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: unquote heads end quote to actually give him his property?

1692
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 2: Okay, before we do that, I'm gonna go back and

1693
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say when you was talking about another guy

1694
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:49,600
Speaker 2: who didn't who freestyled. Jay never freestyled. Everything that you

1695
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 2: hear was what he put together. So it was written.

1696
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 2: It just wasn't written down. It was written in his memory. Right.

1697
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 2: He remembered what he was saying by the rhythms that

1698
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 2: he wrote it in.

1699
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 1: But isn't it a former freestyle?

1700
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 7: That's different. Freestyle is like when you.

1701
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 2: Just come in like just the right off the top

1702
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 2: of your head, like none of that over time. Yeah,

1703
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 2: he's emulating the raps.

1704
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 3: He has supreme memory too, right, because that too has

1705
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 3: just like his.

1706
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 2: His recall game when he was making records was insanity

1707
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 2: because I would be like, we drive him from the

1708
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 2: city to Brooklyn and a beat would be playing and

1709
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 2: he'd be like, Yo, I got it, you got what

1710
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 2: I got? I got I got this one. We're gonna

1711
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 2: go in the crib and we're gonna do this one.

1712
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 2: And we would do it and I'd be like, when

1713
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 2: did this happen?

1714
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 1: He was like on the ride home talking about tracking

1715
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:47,560
Speaker 1: it is it stands at a time? Is it like

1716
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 1: half averse?

1717
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 2: Jay was one guy who could put it all together.

1718
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 2: He could put each first together in one shot and

1719
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 2: then go back and do the ad libs like he

1720
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 2: would do a through the adlast and then go to

1721
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:06,560
Speaker 2: the next verse. But I'm just like talk like you

1722
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 2: can do.

1723
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:10,959
Speaker 6: That, man, it's a memory. It's a it's a memory exercise.

1724
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 6: I didnt like that. I did that from like oh

1725
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 6: four to like yeah when I heard because I heard that,

1726
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 6: because I heard the stories like oh Jay don't write,

1727
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 6: he does it, and I was like, all right, let

1728
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 6: me try it. And so I tried it, and I

1729
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 6: was like, okay, cool. So like everything from like four

1730
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 6: up until I built my studio up the crib at

1731
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 6: oh nine, like all of that was dope paper while

1732
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 6: you stopped.

1733
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 7: Then just the studio changed. Like so for me, my

1734
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 7: process at the time like was just we were recording

1735
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 7: in the studios.

1736
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 6: You just cut the beat on to fifty and just

1737
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 6: walk around and I would just kind of write it

1738
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 6: and put it together and then tell my ang there

1739
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 6: like all right, bro, let's go and I do it.

1740
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 6: When you're recording at home and you got now the

1741
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 6: right right, yeah, But now when you're recording at the crib,

1742
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 6: it's like I'm not gonna leave a beat on loop forever,

1743
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 6: you know, when my kid is trying to sleep. So

1744
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:05,560
Speaker 6: that was when I went back to It became a

1745
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 6: more of a thing. It became more of a writing

1746
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 6: and I think, just for me, my style as an

1747
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 6: MC at that time, it was really changing from I

1748
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 6: don't want to be just a great rapper. I want

1749
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 6: to be a great writer because I think if you,

1750
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 6: I think there's a longevity in it. You know, the

1751
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:21,679
Speaker 6: reason why guys like a j you know what I'm saying,

1752
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 6: can still perform at a high level now is because he,

1753
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 6: in my mind, he thinks of himself as a writer,

1754
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 6: Like you can mature as a writer.

1755
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 7: Can you mature as a rapper? Maybe?

1756
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:35,719
Speaker 6: I don't know, But if you think yourself as a writer,

1757
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 6: there's always in a storyteller, you always have room to

1758
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:40,599
Speaker 6: grow and mature.

1759
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 2: I think what's I think the right way to say

1760
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 2: it is he thinks of himself and as an MC,

1761
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 2: not a rapper. And when you and when you're an MC,

1762
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 2: what you're saying becomes more important to how you say it.

1763
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 2: You got something you want everybody to get. You want

1764
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:03,560
Speaker 2: like his triple advantages is like are you getting this

1765
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 2: like there's things on the first album that people just

1766
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:09,560
Speaker 2: don't get. And I'm just like, man, like this is

1767
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 2: like freaking twenty some years ago, Like why why is

1768
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 2: this mind blowing to you right now? Like you should

1769
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 2: have got that maybe a year later, but like we're

1770
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:20,600
Speaker 2: twenty five and you still don't get you know. So,

1771
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 2: But I will say the first time I started having

1772
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 2: and this is like literally the first session we do,

1773
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 2: he did that shit and I was like, Yo, what

1774
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 2: the fuck just happened? Like, dog, did you have that already?

1775
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 2: He was like nah, He's like this is what the

1776
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 2: beat said for me to do. And I was like,

1777
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 2: how did you remember all that? And he explained. He

1778
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 2: was like, you know, just like when you learn your abcs,

1779
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 2: I took it. I took this part and I put it.

1780
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 2: I put it together based off of what he said.

1781
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 2: He was like, I remember the rhymes based off of

1782
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 2: the rhythm in which I wrote him, or if the

1783
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 2: rhyme goes that's the way he remembers the record of

1784
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 2: the rhymes is to but that he's coming up with,

1785
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 2: And I was just like, in my mind, I was like,

1786
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? So I said, what are

1787
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 2: you talking about? So he would go, most of my

1788
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 2: cadences come from drum rolls, and I was like, what

1789
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 2: then you would come on, let yo, let's look at

1790
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 2: this record and you hit that right there, that drummo,

1791
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 2: that's a cadence right there, And I'm just like, Yo,

1792
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you talking about? And he would

1793
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 2: display the ship and go back, Yo, remember that drummro

1794
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 2: go listen to that ship, and I'd be like, oh,

1795
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:41,639
Speaker 2: he's a wizard. Yeah.

1796
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 3: I was just thinking, I love it when y'all make

1797
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 3: it sound like science and because it is so.

1798
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 2: So later on in my mind, I was like, the

1799
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 2: first thing you learned to remember you learn it connected

1800
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 2: to music, so connected to a rhythm, A B C D. Yeah,

1801
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:00,599
Speaker 2: like you connected to a rhythm. Like it's so much

1802
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 2: easier to remember something.

1803
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 3: That's seven eleven twelve.

1804
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 2: Schoolhouse Rock was the proof of that ship. Like you

1805
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 2: you can remember everything from Schoolhouse Rock if you watched

1806
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:14,600
Speaker 2: it twice, face faced off of the rhythm. You know

1807
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, it's truth. So like he explained, he

1808
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 2: explained that ship to me, and I was just like,

1809
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 2: that's masterful. And that also gave me something else in

1810
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 2: my pocket. When I would walk around and talk to

1811
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 2: people about him and like, Yo, my man, don't even

1812
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 2: write the ship down. He would be looking at me like, clock,

1813
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 2: you're a liar. The first first person telling me I

1814
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 2: was alive with skills. So I was like, skills, come

1815
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 2: to the skills, come to the crypt. He was like,

1816
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 2: I'm not for what. I was like, Yo, my man,

1817
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 2: my man's head, and you're gonna record to to just

1818
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 2: kind of my crib. He sees Jay come in, listen

1819
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 2: to the beat for a while. He could tell you

1820
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 2: this is the truth. And he went in and got

1821
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 2: on the mic and said everything that he was mumbling

1822
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 2: in the hallway, and he was like, Yo, what the

1823
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:56,600
Speaker 2: fuck does that happen? The same way I was. He

1824
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:58,639
Speaker 2: was like, I said, Dog, I told you. He don't

1825
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 2: write it down. He just thinks of it. That's it.

1826
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 2: And then he thinks of it and puts it all

1827
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:08,840
Speaker 2: together and everything, like when you think of ninety nine

1828
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:13,640
Speaker 2: problems and think that there's no pen attached to that,

1829
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 2: there's no pen attaches to meet the parents. I'm sorry, dog,

1830
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 2: he's a fucking wizard. Yo.

1831
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:28,720
Speaker 1: You're just reminded me. Now I wouldness that. Now I

1832
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,679
Speaker 1: got a search for this shit, because I mean, technically

1833
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 1: he did it just so that he recorded something, just

1834
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 1: so that he could remember it specifically for a show

1835
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 1: that we were doing, but mid rehearsals for that whole

1836
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 1: reasonable Doubt thing that we did for the anniversary, he's like,

1837
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:49,559
Speaker 1: you know what, He's like, I'm doing a sequel. I'm

1838
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 1: doing forty four fours. He's like, redo, can I kick

1839
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:58,759
Speaker 1: it and just lay the beat down for five minutes

1840
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 1: to like me Adam Blacks when I forget, like, who

1841
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,720
Speaker 1: else was there? So we we we were hooking it

1842
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: up like we were going to do it during the show,

1843
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 1: and the whole time I thought he was I thought

1844
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,640
Speaker 1: he was just like recapping something that he might have

1845
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 1: wrote a sequel to it or whatever. He's like, no, no, no,

1846
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 1: I'm making it up right now. It's like, just give

1847
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 1: me a half hour. I'll get it. And I really

1848
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 1: regret this moment, but this is the exact moment where

1849
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 1: in the next room, in the in the room next

1850
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 1: door Kanye in Consequence were just working on I don't

1851
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 1: know if you remember this song on Consequences record your Girl,

1852
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:44,560
Speaker 1: Your Girl, Keith, fuck yes, your Girl. It's one of

1853
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 1: the hardest beats. I really like, if you remember the yes,

1854
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 1: if you remember that beat, Like my older self's like, yo,

1855
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:54,679
Speaker 1: you could have witnessed a real historical moment of watching

1856
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 1: this motherfucker crafted. But I'm not thinking like I'm making

1857
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 1: a bait for jay Z to, you know. He's just like,

1858
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 1: I got to remember my rhyme, so just give me

1859
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 1: a half hour and I'll have it. So we're running

1860
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 1: in that room to watch old boy like put this

1861
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 1: beat together for consequence and shit. And I came back.

1862
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, I'm done, and he laid it

1863
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: and it didn't hit me till like much later that

1864
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:23,640
Speaker 1: he actually made that rhyme up at the moment. And

1865
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 1: mind you, there were forty four fours in there. Yeah,

1866
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 1: so that's the part I'm still like. I was like this,

1867
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 1: he had this one in his pocket, there's no way,

1868
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, it's like I made it up

1869
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 1: on the spot.

1870
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 2: Twenty two Two's was a freestyle that he used to

1871
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 2: do every time we performed at Maria Davis. Well, what

1872
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 2: we call freestyle, you know, when you rhyme to a

1873
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:47,560
Speaker 2: beat and you just go off like we just do

1874
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 2: that to can I kick it. This was before there

1875
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 2: was a beat to it, and then it was like,

1876
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 2: you'll make a beat to it, you'll ski come up

1877
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 2: with something to it. Like but he said twenty he

1878
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:01,679
Speaker 2: said two twenty two times, and I was like wow,

1879
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 2: because because I'm he said four forty four, so trust me.

1880
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 2: When when the first time he did it, I was like,

1881
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:12,600
Speaker 2: what the And then the next time he did it,

1882
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 2: I was in the side going and then when it

1883
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 2: got to twenty two, I was just like, nah, fuck,

1884
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 2: I understand that. This is the second This is the

1885
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 2: second time he did it in front of us, you

1886
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. The first time we were just like, oh,

1887
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 2: that shit is crazy, y'ah. Twenty two two? Yeah, Then

1888
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 2: I was like, twenty two Wait a minute, twenty two

1889
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,600
Speaker 2: two's that's that means something different. Let me listen. And

1890
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 2: I was just like, he said too twenty two times.

1891
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 2: He's wizard, He's not regular man. So when forty four

1892
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 2: fours came out, I was like, I'm not even gonna

1893
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:49,280
Speaker 2: te him nobody he said forty four he said four

1894
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 2: or forty four time, I'm not even gonna tell nobody

1895
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:51,840
Speaker 2: because they're gonna say I'm.

1896
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 7: Lying, right, did you were you there for the tracking

1897
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:00,639
Speaker 7: of a Scot's Limit.

1898
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1899
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:03,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, what was that like?

1900
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,599
Speaker 2: It was kind of crazy because there wasn't an idea

1901
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 2: of one twelve.

1902
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 3: It was.

1903
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:10,960
Speaker 2: It was Biggie doing the hook.

1904
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 1: He's saying it. You have a version of him singing it.

1905
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 2: The funny part is in the song his voice is

1906
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 2: in there. Okay, I just I just let it be

1907
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 2: real low because I appreciated the fact that he can't. Yo. Look,

1908
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 2: We're on a tour bus and Biggie says, bring me

1909
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:33,679
Speaker 2: some beach for Junior Mafia, and I'm just like, who's Junior?

1910
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 2: My fia. He was like Ce's and such a name.

1911
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:38,599
Speaker 2: The kids, the kids of g I'm like, they don't rap.

1912
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 2: He was like, don't worry about the clock. Just bring

1913
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 2: me something dream. I bring him some ship. First thing

1914
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 2: going to be the guys on the tape. The sky's

1915
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 2: the limit. He was like, Yo, you gotta hold that.

1916
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 2: And I was like, nah, that that's like an ed's joint. Mhm.

1917
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 2: He's looking at me like I was like, yes, I

1918
01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 2: can know. Nah, dog, you gotta hold take it back.

1919
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 2: I need that. I'm like whatever, let's keep it. Second

1920
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 2: joint on the tape is I need it? I need

1921
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 2: you tonight. He was like, oh that, I like that too,

1922
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 2: and then he hears players anthem and like literally he's

1923
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 2: going I was like, Oh, we're gonna have something, and

1924
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 2: I'm thinking it's me and him, we're gonna make a record.

1925
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 2: In two days, we're gonna go home. We're gonna make

1926
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:29,080
Speaker 2: this record. I was like, yes, we go home. He

1927
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:31,160
Speaker 2: brings a little season and little Kim that I'm like,

1928
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 2: what's going on here, and then goes in the booth

1929
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 2: and does the verse. I was just like, oh, ship.

1930
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:40,599
Speaker 2: And then he does his verse and then Kim.

1931
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:41,479
Speaker 3: Talk about it.

1932
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:46,639
Speaker 2: She just like it's crazy because if I was smarter

1933
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 2: back then, I would have left the ending of the

1934
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 2: song the way she ended it, because at the end

1935
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 2: of the song, I took out the words she was

1936
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 2: saying at the end, and at the end she said

1937
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 2: Clark can't fuck and I was just like, you can't sit,

1938
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 2: you can't stay, can't to get out. And I was

1939
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:07,680
Speaker 2: just like, wait a minute. That was a moment. I

1940
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 2: walked up Clark, motherfucker who and I was just like,

1941
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:16,479
Speaker 2: I didn't leave that in. I was like, I'm the dumbest,

1942
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 2: right now. But then but then the record happens, and

1943
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, that's all right. So but while

1944
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:25,600
Speaker 2: we're on the tour buzz though, he goes back to

1945
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:28,439
Speaker 2: the Sky's the Limit beat and he just starts singing

1946
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 2: to this ship and I'm just like, oh, he just wildly.

1947
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 4: Like he just gets it because as we hear it,

1948
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 4: Clark like what he heard for the first time is

1949
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 4: as we hear it finished product like the beat.

1950
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:45,960
Speaker 2: Like exactly the way it happens is exactly the way

1951
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,599
Speaker 2: I gave it to him. And like he goes back

1952
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:50,600
Speaker 2: to it because he's like, yo, I need this, and

1953
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 2: you know, we're not really paying attention, but I'm hearing

1954
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 2: him going god, you know, and I was just like what,

1955
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 2: just like this, dude, But I was just like, dog,

1956
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:07,840
Speaker 2: that's Acanelli's record. Yeah, But he's like so wants it

1957
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:10,760
Speaker 2: so bad that I go back and I go to Acanelly.

1958
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 2: I was like, dog, you're really gonna use this record?

1959
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:15,080
Speaker 2: He was like, hell, yeah, Clock, how much is it?

1960
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:17,320
Speaker 2: And I told him and he was just like yo, Clock,

1961
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,640
Speaker 2: he trying to buy a car on me. And I

1962
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:23,360
Speaker 2: was like what, Like, Dog, like you know, I made

1963
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:25,360
Speaker 2: records and you know, I make records like this is

1964
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,599
Speaker 2: like I'm and he just like he didn't really want

1965
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 2: to pay for it. So I was just like, yo,

1966
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 2: biggie ca it. He was like, yeah, you gotta hold

1967
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 2: it though, and I'm thinking hold it for what And

1968
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 2: he was like, oh, trust me, trust me, you gotta

1969
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:41,600
Speaker 2: hold it. I did not know he's thinking two and

1970
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 2: a half. He is down the line it's gonna be

1971
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 2: on your next album. I'm thinking that's somewhere on Junior

1972
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:47,759
Speaker 2: Manthia's album. But he was just like, yeah, you gotta

1973
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:51,120
Speaker 2: you gotta hold it. But he had the hook after

1974
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:53,840
Speaker 2: like two hours. But he was singing it to himself.

1975
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 2: He wasn't necessarily saying it's going to be the hook.

1976
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,040
Speaker 2: He was singing it like he could sing it to it.

1977
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 2: But I'm listening to it, going wow, if that's the hook,

1978
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 2: you know. And it just went that way. And when

1979
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:10,200
Speaker 2: it came time to mix that, the record came back

1980
01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:12,920
Speaker 2: from Bad Boys Studio and it had one twelve on

1981
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:14,799
Speaker 2: it and I was like, oh, this shit is beautiful.

1982
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:17,720
Speaker 2: But I respected what he did so much, and it

1983
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 2: was on the tape that I just let it be

1984
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 2: in the beat. Like if you listen to Brooklyn's fine

1985
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 2: as Biggie. Every time the record goes like on certain hooks,

1986
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 2: Biggie's doing that shit like Biggie's in the background going.

1987
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 2: I was just like, yeah, I gotta leave it, I

1988
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 2: gotta leave it there.

1989
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:38,160
Speaker 1: It just hit me, Clark, you got to tell me.

1990
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:42,639
Speaker 1: Speaking of the early days of Rockefeller, can you please

1991
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:46,080
Speaker 1: share your many Dame battles, Like I know that Dame

1992
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:52,519
Speaker 1: is a proud Harlem night and you are from the

1993
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:55,720
Speaker 1: borough of Brooklyn. Yeah, but can you please share the

1994
01:43:55,840 --> 01:44:01,680
Speaker 1: story of the bet of the Freshest, which basically, you

1995
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 1: know there's there's there's a whole slew of people that

1996
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: know you strictly not for music before sneakers.

1997
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 3: Oh okay, the intro.

1998
01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 1: Please share this story.

1999
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:16,920
Speaker 2: Dame does a whole one to traveling with with Jay

2000
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 2: and all of that, and you know, he comes back

2001
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:22,400
Speaker 2: and he was like, Clark, I'm frsh than you. And

2002
01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I right, whatever, And he goes, now,

2003
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 2: wear new best niggas every day. I said, I've been

2004
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 2: doing that since you met me. Nah, I bet, I bet,

2005
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:34,160
Speaker 2: he says, I bet. You can't wear brand new pist

2006
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:37,320
Speaker 2: niggas every day for a year. So I was like,

2007
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:39,880
Speaker 2: what do you want to bet? Because in my mind,

2008
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's an instant loss. Right, So he was like,

2009
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:44,840
Speaker 2: I bet you. I can't even remember what the bet

2010
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:48,600
Speaker 2: was for. I had to be something stupid, but I

2011
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 2: made the bet and I wore brand new pists niggas

2012
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:54,920
Speaker 2: every day. The good part was it was at Rockefeller Office,

2013
01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 2: so every day he got the paint and the like

2014
01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:02,880
Speaker 2: and we worked document this Like no, it was just

2015
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:08,080
Speaker 2: a shit talking between me and him. He knew how

2016
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:14,679
Speaker 2: to ring your like to twist your stomach like shit

2017
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 2: out of you, and I'd be like, come on, dang,

2018
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:18,800
Speaker 2: come on, dang. I was really one of the guys

2019
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:21,040
Speaker 2: who could ignore dame that just one time it just

2020
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:23,920
Speaker 2: went too far and he was like, you're scared. You scared.

2021
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 2: I'm scared. Like I've been doing this since you met me.

2022
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 2: You were eighteen nineteen when I met you, and I've

2023
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,120
Speaker 2: been this guy, like what makes you think is going

2024
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:35,320
Speaker 2: to change now? Because you got some money and bought

2025
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:37,560
Speaker 2: every sneaker you saw on the way when you was

2026
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:39,720
Speaker 2: on the road, Like, I really have everything that you

2027
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 2: buy and now I have it already, or I had

2028
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 2: the original to what you like, so stop, you got

2029
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:48,040
Speaker 2: to stop. But he just was talking shit and talking

2030
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:51,639
Speaker 2: shit and I just was like I bet and he lost.

2031
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 1: And you couldn't repeat a pair at all in a year's.

2032
01:45:56,680 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 2: Time, brand new pair sneakers every day a new pair

2033
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:05,679
Speaker 2: or just a fresh like brand new pair. So even

2034
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:07,680
Speaker 2: if I wore white on whites four month straight, every

2035
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:09,040
Speaker 2: day to white and white had to be a brand

2036
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:15,960
Speaker 2: new pair. O. Wait, think about this to me, right,

2037
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:18,280
Speaker 2: if you came to my crib and you saw four

2038
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:20,760
Speaker 2: thousand pairs of sneakers, why would it seem like it's

2039
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 2: hard to do it? Right?

2040
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 3: It's only three hundred and sixty five days.

2041
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:27,720
Speaker 2: Right, So if I didn't buy any sneakers, I could

2042
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:29,120
Speaker 2: have done it. I could have done it for like

2043
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:34,200
Speaker 2: ten years. It's been like twelve years, maybe fifteen years.

2044
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 1: You still apply this rule.

2045
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:39,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't win. I don't wear sneakers like

2046
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm sorry where they go?

2047
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? What side? What size are you?

2048
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:45,600
Speaker 5: I'll take your leftovers.

2049
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 2: I'm a thirteen, but I give him away.

2050
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 3: Well, Steve, you're you're you're out of luck.

2051
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:52,960
Speaker 1: There's no way I'm not out of luck. Ask quest.

2052
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 5: He knows you're a same size, yes, I take quests leftovers.

2053
01:46:57,520 --> 01:46:59,600
Speaker 1: You know, you know how bad I am, Like a

2054
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:03,040
Speaker 1: rare air of morek and Mendy's. I just let Steve

2055
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 1: have them.

2056
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:04,920
Speaker 3: That is fascinating.

2057
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. You probably let them have them

2058
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 2: because it didn't like affect you a certain way.

2059
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:13,080
Speaker 1: Well at one point, it's just ridiculous.

2060
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:15,080
Speaker 3: And you know, I was just like, okay, you.

2061
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 2: You have a you have a pair of sneakers that

2062
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:20,640
Speaker 2: you didn't wear that was given to you during the

2063
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:22,680
Speaker 2: Air Force one twenty fifth anniversary, and I.

2064
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 1: Know I will never wear those.

2065
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 2: Oh, you got to give them to me. Oh you

2066
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:29,439
Speaker 2: talk I'm talking about the crock joints, right, You're talking

2067
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 2: about the crock joints, the white with the one white

2068
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:36,720
Speaker 2: and orange croc ones, their snake with a croc strike. Yeah,

2069
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 2: you have to give them to me. Oh like, like

2070
01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:43,839
Speaker 2: how I got you? How I got you? The Essels?

2071
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 3: Can we talk? Are be getting to Nike?

2072
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:48,200
Speaker 4: Because I just want to know the beginning of the relationship,

2073
01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:50,439
Speaker 4: when the romance, when y'all fell in love with each other,

2074
01:47:50,479 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 4: and how y'all fell in love with each other?

2075
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 3: No, Clark was like and Clark Nike and Clark.

2076
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 1: Oh goodbye, oh yo. When you said that with the

2077
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:10,200
Speaker 1: vigor of an angry black mother. If you don't get.

2078
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:15,559
Speaker 3: Because Clark said he didn't did eighty five shoes with Nike, and.

2079
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:17,200
Speaker 2: I just didn't.

2080
01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:21,080
Speaker 1: You didn't differentiate the U. So I'm thinking, like, okay,

2081
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:24,200
Speaker 1: you you exaggerated a lot like it, but okay, I'll

2082
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:24,560
Speaker 1: go with this.

2083
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 3: Do you know why he I do? I do want

2084
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:28,400
Speaker 3: to know why he picked you as well to get

2085
01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:31,599
Speaker 3: with Nike. We'll get to that. I want to know that, yes, yes, yes, Well.

2086
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 2: When the twenty fifth anniversary of Air Force one was

2087
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:37,400
Speaker 2: about to happen, they had some ideas and there was

2088
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:40,640
Speaker 2: this dinner and like they invited me to dinner and

2089
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 2: asked if they could borrow some of my shoes for

2090
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:44,640
Speaker 2: this big exhibit. But it was going to show like

2091
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 2: maybe two thousand pair Air Force ones at a party?

2092
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:52,439
Speaker 1: When did you first know that sneaker collecting wasn't art?

2093
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:57,920
Speaker 2: It level, It wasn't an art, it was it was corny.

2094
01:48:57,960 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 2: And I got looked at like I was corny, like

2095
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:02,519
Speaker 2: Damon and who I would end up battling one day.

2096
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:04,800
Speaker 2: First time he came to my crib, he was like cluck,

2097
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:07,760
Speaker 2: what the fuck is all these sneakers? I said, it's

2098
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:09,640
Speaker 2: just the way I stay fresh. And he looked at

2099
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:13,639
Speaker 2: me like, dog, this is weird. And he would be like, girls,

2100
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 2: come to your crib with this shit here, and I

2101
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:18,640
Speaker 2: was like yeah, and he was just like cluck, you

2102
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 2: got a crib full of fresh, He said, that shit

2103
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:24,599
Speaker 2: because I had every Markie can and I had every

2104
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:27,599
Speaker 2: North Beach leather, I had every good pad of jeans,

2105
01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:29,880
Speaker 2: I had every good sweatshirts and teeth like, and I

2106
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:32,640
Speaker 2: would overdo everything, so he would just he came to

2107
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 2: my crib and was just like this doesn't even make sense,

2108
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:37,519
Speaker 2: like how could anyone have this much fresh? And this

2109
01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:40,599
Speaker 2: is when he's nineteen, so he's just like this shit

2110
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 2: is wild. I said, well, if you look at the

2111
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,719
Speaker 2: erahere I come from, that's what we did. We stayed

2112
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:46,560
Speaker 2: as fresh as possible. And he was just like, no,

2113
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:50,560
Speaker 2: I get it, I said, he said, but this is ridiculous,

2114
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:54,280
Speaker 2: you know. So it was the thing happened when I

2115
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:56,479
Speaker 2: was nine. My uncle gave me a pair of prokeads,

2116
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:58,720
Speaker 2: and when I walked outside of the prokeads, the whole

2117
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:01,439
Speaker 2: block was like, you know, you got prokeads, Like all

2118
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 2: the sixteen seventeen year olds were like, you got prokeeads

2119
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:07,040
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, it's my first name brand sneaker.

2120
01:50:07,120 --> 01:50:09,639
Speaker 2: But they were like, yo, but you got them yet

2121
01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:12,400
Speaker 2: you're a young boy. And I felt like I had

2122
01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:16,360
Speaker 2: a car. And it was addictive. So we would do

2123
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:19,600
Speaker 2: odd jobs for all of the older people on the

2124
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:22,880
Speaker 2: block and they would give give Like me and my cousin,

2125
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:24,720
Speaker 2: Market would do these jobs and they would give us

2126
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 2: ten dollars a piece. Back then, prokeds were nine dollars

2127
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:30,360
Speaker 2: at the flea market and to get to the flea

2128
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:33,639
Speaker 2: market was fifty cent, So you got fifty cent out

2129
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 2: of this ten dollars, you get to the flea market,

2130
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 2: buy nine dollar there sneakers, and then that other fifty

2131
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,040
Speaker 2: cent is you risking your life to get back with

2132
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:44,799
Speaker 2: the sneakers. So that's when it started. It started because

2133
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:47,360
Speaker 2: the block was like, oh, the older guys on the

2134
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:49,400
Speaker 2: block that you know, they looked out for us all

2135
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 2: the time, but now it's like I'm almost parallel to them,

2136
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:54,560
Speaker 2: and I wanted to be as cool as them. So

2137
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, well, every weekend, I'm going to

2138
01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 2: either buy records, I'm going to buy sneakers, and then

2139
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:03,720
Speaker 2: it became, oh, I need to have Gaberdine's, I need

2140
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:06,160
Speaker 2: to have Lee's with the with the I need to

2141
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 2: have colored leaves. I need to have BBDs, I need

2142
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:11,639
Speaker 2: to have Nylons. I need to have a J Lester's.

2143
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:13,719
Speaker 2: I need to have British Walkers. I need to have Playors,

2144
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 2: I need to have everything. And it became like an

2145
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 2: addiction from when I was really young because the older

2146
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:23,600
Speaker 2: guys accepted me with the playboys and I mean with

2147
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 2: with with the Prokeads, and it just was like, oh, oh,

2148
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:30,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go hard, and I went super hard. So

2149
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:33,280
Speaker 2: every dollar I made, fifty cent went to records and

2150
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:35,240
Speaker 2: fifty cent went to being fresh.

2151
01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 3: So then what happened with you one night.

2152
01:51:37,439 --> 01:51:39,920
Speaker 2: That that Nike wasn't even the sneakers back then, like

2153
01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 2: the sneakers Prokeads and Pumas and Adidas what I'm saying, like,

2154
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 2: and Clyde to us was a superhero. To have a

2155
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:49,600
Speaker 2: pair of sneakers with his name on the side of

2156
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,960
Speaker 2: gold was like, that's the ultimate sneaker back then was

2157
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:56,680
Speaker 2: Clyde's you know what I'm saying. Wow, Yeah, So that's

2158
01:51:56,720 --> 01:51:59,519
Speaker 2: what we were doing and then when Nikes really really happened.

2159
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:02,920
Speaker 2: The thing that made me go over the top for

2160
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 2: Nike was when Air Force Ones happened. And I was

2161
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:09,000
Speaker 2: playing city Wide Basketball and Elmcore Basketball, and we would

2162
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 2: our team was good, so we would get to go

2163
01:52:11,240 --> 01:52:13,960
Speaker 2: to other cities to play against other cities. And in

2164
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:19,960
Speaker 2: Baltimore I saw air Force ones were actually in Queens.

2165
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:22,760
Speaker 2: We played at Baisley Park and this Nike rep came

2166
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 2: and told us to try these shoes. So we tried

2167
01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:28,519
Speaker 2: the shoes. That's what they did. They would they would

2168
01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:30,559
Speaker 2: go to tournaments and watch kids playing be like, hey,

2169
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:32,640
Speaker 2: try these shoes, and they gave me these shoes and

2170
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:35,400
Speaker 2: I just thought they were beautiful, so I just stuck

2171
01:52:35,439 --> 01:52:39,920
Speaker 2: them in my bag. It's the Air Force. Yeah, it's

2172
01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:42,559
Speaker 2: funny because now looking back at it, we would call

2173
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:45,280
Speaker 2: those Air Force zeros because they didn't have no holes

2174
01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:47,160
Speaker 2: in the in the front of the shoes.

2175
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 1: Yo, So you gave me are the first year Air

2176
01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:54,840
Speaker 1: Force zeros? He gave me a red and white first

2177
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:56,599
Speaker 1: year Air Force one.

2178
01:52:57,080 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, but they didn't have holes at the top. No,

2179
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:04,120
Speaker 2: right then, Yeah, those were zeros to us, we call

2180
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 2: them zero. That was fun they were from that time. Yeah, Clark,

2181
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:15,360
Speaker 2: thank you. We were all. You know, I really had

2182
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:19,680
Speaker 2: like lots of sneakers and I had everything in so

2183
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:22,000
Speaker 2: when they were coming up with this Air Force twenty five,

2184
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:25,680
Speaker 2: they were like, we don't have everything, so let's go

2185
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:27,760
Speaker 2: to the guy who has everything and let's, you know,

2186
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:30,400
Speaker 2: give them give him some money and let him curate

2187
01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 2: the the amount of pairs of sneakers that we have

2188
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:34,439
Speaker 2: that were going to put on this wall for this event.

2189
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:37,320
Speaker 2: So they did. They borrowed a bunch of stuff. But

2190
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 2: in the meeting, they were just like, what do you

2191
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:42,120
Speaker 2: think should happened with air Force one? And I was like,

2192
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:44,560
Speaker 2: y'all should make an air Force one store. And you

2193
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:46,599
Speaker 2: could see the people in the in the meeting going

2194
01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:48,880
Speaker 2: like this because they already had an idea to do

2195
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:50,599
Speaker 2: the Air Force. I said, but you need to make

2196
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:54,200
Speaker 2: I D Nike ID. You need to make the ship unlimited.

2197
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:55,680
Speaker 2: And they were like what do you mean. I said,

2198
01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:57,600
Speaker 2: you make you need to make something called VI P

2199
01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:00,960
Speaker 2: I D. And they were like, okay, could you stop?

2200
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:03,160
Speaker 2: And I was like okay, cool, and they were like,

2201
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:04,559
Speaker 2: you have a lawyer, and I was like, of course,

2202
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:07,360
Speaker 2: I have a lawyer. Can you can you get him

2203
01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:10,000
Speaker 2: on a phone or have him come down my lawyer,

2204
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:12,479
Speaker 2: have my lawyer come down, and and and and the

2205
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:15,439
Speaker 2: thing is the guy who said it was a black guy.

2206
01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:18,040
Speaker 2: So it's almost like he was saying, let me protect,

2207
01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 2: let me protect protect Nick right, and and he could

2208
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:26,519
Speaker 2: see that. The conversation made me like yeah, because I

2209
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:28,760
Speaker 2: was about to go off, and he was just like give.

2210
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:32,200
Speaker 2: He just like, do you have a lawyer? And I'm

2211
01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:34,040
Speaker 2: like yeah. So when he came, my lawyer came. He

2212
01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:35,840
Speaker 2: was like, we want to make him a consultant to

2213
01:54:35,960 --> 01:54:40,520
Speaker 2: help us build this air Force one store. And I

2214
01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 2: was like, oh ship, I didn't know what that was.

2215
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:47,200
Speaker 2: And then when the deal points came through, I was like, oh,

2216
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:51,640
Speaker 2: they're dead serious. I was like and my lawyer is

2217
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:53,120
Speaker 2: looking at me like do you want to do this?

2218
01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:57,120
Speaker 2: And I was like what. And the only thing, the

2219
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:59,200
Speaker 2: only thing in my mind, I swear to God, this

2220
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:01,560
Speaker 2: is gonna sound crazy. The only thing in my mind

2221
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:04,040
Speaker 2: was I'm going to get to make a sneaker and

2222
01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:10,200
Speaker 2: shit on Barbito because Gabrido Barbido had this white pair

2223
01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:12,720
Speaker 2: air Force ones with a burgundy Swiss and his name

2224
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 2: was on the side and I was like how, like

2225
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:18,720
Speaker 2: how and he was like he gave it to him.

2226
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:23,400
Speaker 2: So I was just like, oh, oh commercial yeah. And

2227
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:25,600
Speaker 2: the thing is like I went into the meeting the

2228
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:30,080
Speaker 2: first official I'm working their meeting, and like the first

2229
01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:32,080
Speaker 2: thing I say before the meeting, can I make a sneaker?

2230
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 2: And they're looking at me like that's not what this

2231
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:36,200
Speaker 2: is for. And we get into the meeting. We keep

2232
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:38,520
Speaker 2: going to the twenty minutes and can I make a sneaker?

2233
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 2: They're like, we're trying to build a store, We're trying

2234
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:45,280
Speaker 2: to come up with ideas. You're doing well, going on

2235
01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:48,320
Speaker 2: forty minutes. Every twenty minutes, I'm like, can I make

2236
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:50,720
Speaker 2: a sneaker? Can I make a sneaker? I just want

2237
01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:53,120
Speaker 2: to make one sneaker, like literally saying I just want

2238
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:55,200
Speaker 2: to make one sneaker. By the end of the meeting,

2239
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:58,800
Speaker 2: after Chambers says, let me go sit you down with

2240
01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:03,040
Speaker 2: Ma Delcha and I said, with my dote, and Mandte says,

2241
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:05,480
Speaker 2: what do you have in mind? And I come up

2242
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:07,600
Speaker 2: with I tell him what I want the sneaker to be.

2243
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:09,120
Speaker 2: But I did it in like a minute and a

2244
01:56:09,160 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 2: half and he was like, you really had this idea.

2245
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:13,480
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, I said, I only need one pair,

2246
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:15,680
Speaker 2: and I need it. I just put my name on

2247
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:19,240
Speaker 2: the side of shit, that's all one pair. So he's like,

2248
01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 2: he's like what. I was like, yeah, only one pair.

2249
01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:24,800
Speaker 2: He was like, no, this is really good. And then

2250
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:27,680
Speaker 2: he calls Astor, and then he calls the product line

2251
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:30,320
Speaker 2: manager and the guy who was leading the team, and

2252
01:56:30,720 --> 01:56:33,320
Speaker 2: everybody in the room is like, no, that's really good.

2253
01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:36,520
Speaker 2: And they then Astor says to one of you know,

2254
01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:38,760
Speaker 2: air Force one's a part of the one's pack and

2255
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:42,480
Speaker 2: I was like whatever. He's like, do you like Airmax one?

2256
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:45,400
Speaker 2: I said, second favorite sneaker? Wow?

2257
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:45,840
Speaker 1: Right.

2258
01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:48,240
Speaker 2: He says, what would you do to air Max one?

2259
01:56:48,360 --> 01:56:50,640
Speaker 2: Boom boom boom am Max one is finished two minutes

2260
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:53,640
Speaker 2: and they're looking at me like, oh, he's really ready.

2261
01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:55,320
Speaker 2: And I was like, but you got to change the

2262
01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:57,040
Speaker 2: color of the elephant print so it's different than the

2263
01:56:57,080 --> 01:56:59,840
Speaker 2: air Force one. And they were like okay, So they did.

2264
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:02,720
Speaker 2: Shit looked amazing. They were like, what about a trainer one.

2265
01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:06,440
Speaker 2: I was like that. She was like, They're like, oh,

2266
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:08,080
Speaker 2: you don't like it. I said, it's not that I

2267
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:10,240
Speaker 2: don't like it, it's just that I wouldn't necessarily be

2268
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:12,600
Speaker 2: like I want to make that, but they said, but

2269
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:15,200
Speaker 2: what would you do? And then I did it? And

2270
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:17,920
Speaker 2: then Astor says it louder. He goes, that's a one

2271
01:57:18,040 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 2: pack and I'm like, fuck, is the one pack? He said,

2272
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:23,160
Speaker 2: you remember those air Force ones that said gray ones

2273
01:57:24,040 --> 01:57:25,640
Speaker 2: And I was like yeah. He said, remember there was

2274
01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:27,640
Speaker 2: an air Force one and the Airtrainer one that looked

2275
01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:30,240
Speaker 2: just like it. I was like yeah. He goes, that's

2276
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:32,240
Speaker 2: a one pack. He said, this is the one pack.

2277
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:34,640
Speaker 2: I was like, cool, I only want the air Force

2278
01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:40,280
Speaker 2: one and they're like he's saying to me, He's like Clark,

2279
01:57:40,360 --> 01:57:42,360
Speaker 2: he's saying it quiet. He was like, clak. Now because

2280
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:45,360
Speaker 2: some friends Woul asked the chambers before night. He's like, Clark,

2281
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:48,600
Speaker 2: we feel like we could put this out and you

2282
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:50,520
Speaker 2: can have a shoot this out. I was like, I

2283
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:53,600
Speaker 2: don't need that. I need this shit on Bobby and

2284
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:57,480
Speaker 2: he's like He's like he was like, you're not understanding

2285
01:57:57,520 --> 01:58:01,640
Speaker 2: that this is Stiller. Yeah. I was like no, no,

2286
01:58:02,280 --> 01:58:05,080
Speaker 2: but so he's going, so if you did this, what

2287
01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:08,560
Speaker 2: would you call it? I said, Brooklyn And they were like, Clark,

2288
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:12,880
Speaker 2: could you because now I'm mad. I'm just like Brooklyn.

2289
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:15,360
Speaker 2: He was like, he was like clock, and then he

2290
01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:18,240
Speaker 2: was like, can you can you express Brooklyn in a

2291
01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:20,760
Speaker 2: different way? And the first thing I thought was seven

2292
01:58:20,760 --> 01:58:22,400
Speaker 2: one eight, and then I was like no, because that

2293
01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:25,200
Speaker 2: means Queen Staten Island. And the box gets loved and

2294
01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:28,280
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, every zip code in Brooklyn starts

2295
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:30,320
Speaker 2: with one, one two. I said, so one one too,

2296
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:33,880
Speaker 2: and they were like, that's thinking. See clock, now you're thinking.

2297
01:58:34,120 --> 01:58:36,360
Speaker 2: And they was like, but now we got to connect

2298
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:38,080
Speaker 2: it to you. I said, it is, it's from Brooklyn.

2299
01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:39,560
Speaker 2: It connects to me. He was like, no, we got

2300
01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:41,760
Speaker 2: to make something that when we see it we can

2301
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:44,240
Speaker 2: go oh, that's how it connects. So they put the one,

2302
01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:47,600
Speaker 2: and inside they put a big one, and inside the

2303
01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:51,560
Speaker 2: one they put a telephone booth like that's where clock changes. Ah,

2304
01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:55,480
Speaker 2: And I was like, and they put the one because

2305
01:58:55,480 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 2: it's a ones pack. So that's that's that's where the

2306
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:02,760
Speaker 2: logo that's inside the shoe comes from from. Enough of

2307
01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:06,040
Speaker 2: them being sick of me, and I'm like, yo, could

2308
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:07,200
Speaker 2: you please come up with some ship?

2309
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:08,960
Speaker 1: So what was Bobido's response.

2310
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:12,280
Speaker 2: Barbido thought the shoe was fired especially because I give

2311
01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:14,720
Speaker 2: him a whole set, but I was just like, more like,

2312
01:59:15,480 --> 01:59:19,160
Speaker 2: this was really just a shit on you. But then

2313
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:21,440
Speaker 2: he could literally go, yeah, but there's a lot of them,

2314
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:23,360
Speaker 2: there's only one of these, and I was like, Okay,

2315
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:28,440
Speaker 2: what the fucker. So after that, I made it my

2316
01:59:28,600 --> 01:59:32,480
Speaker 2: business to become friends with Tinker half Field and in

2317
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:35,840
Speaker 2: the people in the kitchen so that I could do

2318
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:38,520
Speaker 2: things in the kitchen that would be one of one.

2319
01:59:39,200 --> 01:59:41,640
Speaker 2: So I went in the kitchen. I mean I might

2320
01:59:41,720 --> 01:59:43,640
Speaker 2: have about thirty one of the ones out of the kitchen,

2321
01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:45,680
Speaker 2: but the first one I went right to Bobby and

2322
01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:51,040
Speaker 2: was like and it was so crazy that he just

2323
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:53,520
Speaker 2: had to be like, oh, no, that's great. You know.

2324
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:01,440
Speaker 7: What's your favorite Jordans cluck?

2325
02:00:02,440 --> 02:00:04,800
Speaker 2: My favorite At the top of the chart of all

2326
02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:07,360
Speaker 2: Jordan's is a tie between threes and eleven.

2327
02:00:08,200 --> 02:00:12,160
Speaker 7: I'm threes and fours. Those ones from me too, like threes, Yeah, yeah,

2328
02:00:12,600 --> 02:00:13,080
Speaker 7: you guys.

2329
02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:15,960
Speaker 1: Have narrow feet. Then I'm sorry, like didn't even start

2330
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:16,520
Speaker 1: thinking about what.

2331
02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:18,840
Speaker 2: Actually they kind of give you a little room the

2332
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:19,880
Speaker 2: war they actually do.

2333
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:23,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, the ones that funk out of the ones, Nah,

2334
02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:26,560
Speaker 7: but I like it, But now I can't do the

2335
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:28,800
Speaker 7: ones like ones and sixes.

2336
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:31,080
Speaker 2: On the on the on the on the Jordan's scale,

2337
02:00:31,200 --> 02:00:33,960
Speaker 2: like Jordan one's a third. To me, what's crazy is

2338
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:36,240
Speaker 2: I really have more Jordan ones than anything because they

2339
02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:39,920
Speaker 2: keep coming out with good ship, Like there's threes and

2340
02:00:40,160 --> 02:00:42,200
Speaker 2: elevens is a tie, and then it's ones, and then

2341
02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:45,720
Speaker 2: it's fours, and it's five. I love five. Five.

2342
02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:49,200
Speaker 1: So let me ask you. This house on fire, you're

2343
02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:53,360
Speaker 1: saving five of them joints, five sneakers. What are you saving?

2344
02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:55,840
Speaker 2: I'm only saving two because I'm getting my wife and

2345
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:56,760
Speaker 2: my kids out first.

2346
02:00:57,440 --> 02:01:00,320
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, all right, the wife, he kids out,

2347
02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:03,560
Speaker 1: and then I can run in the house and get

2348
02:01:03,600 --> 02:01:04,640
Speaker 1: five pairs of sneakers.

2349
02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:09,400
Speaker 2: What is it. It's gonna sound weird to you, dog,

2350
02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:11,560
Speaker 2: but i'd be trying to get the records out.

2351
02:01:12,640 --> 02:01:14,400
Speaker 3: No it don't. It don't sound d do.

2352
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:18,360
Speaker 1: Just give me the sneakers your top, all right, I'm

2353
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:19,920
Speaker 1: destroying all your sneakers.

2354
02:01:19,560 --> 02:01:23,360
Speaker 2: But five, I'm gonna go get the folks. I'm gonna

2355
02:01:23,400 --> 02:01:26,160
Speaker 2: I mean the one of ones because they were they

2356
02:01:26,200 --> 02:01:29,240
Speaker 2: were they were meant and given and made for me.

2357
02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:32,720
Speaker 2: They weren't part of this mass production of shoes. Because

2358
02:01:32,720 --> 02:01:34,680
Speaker 2: I can get my favorite shoes are white on my

2359
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:36,640
Speaker 2: air Force one. I can buy them ships all the time.

2360
02:01:37,080 --> 02:01:40,200
Speaker 2: And if if Nike decided, we will make sure that

2361
02:01:40,280 --> 02:01:43,440
Speaker 2: you have a brand new pair for of air Force

2362
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:45,080
Speaker 2: ones for the rest of your life, of brand new

2363
02:01:45,120 --> 02:01:47,600
Speaker 2: every day. They could take what I got. I'm gonna

2364
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:51,240
Speaker 2: admit this to you, Quests. You actually are the person

2365
02:01:51,320 --> 02:01:54,400
Speaker 2: that made me say, let me put a crock on

2366
02:01:54,520 --> 02:01:55,000
Speaker 2: my foot.

2367
02:01:56,920 --> 02:01:59,800
Speaker 1: You know what, ya the show's over? Thank you very

2368
02:01:59,880 --> 02:02:00,240
Speaker 1: much much.

2369
02:02:00,280 --> 02:02:03,360
Speaker 2: No, no, but but it wasn't a regular crock. It

2370
02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:05,920
Speaker 2: was a croc oh ship.

2371
02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:08,280
Speaker 1: Okay, so George is fresh.

2372
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:11,800
Speaker 2: But I put it on and was like, oh, I understand.

2373
02:02:12,120 --> 02:02:13,080
Speaker 2: I wear him around the house.

2374
02:02:13,960 --> 02:02:16,400
Speaker 8: Oh you you're gonna wear him outside of the als eventually,

2375
02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:24,120
Speaker 8: probably not Croc, probably Mark Clark dog.

2376
02:02:24,360 --> 02:02:26,920
Speaker 1: You and I were on this journey together, brou I

2377
02:02:27,080 --> 02:02:30,920
Speaker 1: get it. And then one day I just got tired,

2378
02:02:31,200 --> 02:02:35,920
Speaker 1: like I just got tired of suffering just to be like, yo,

2379
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:38,480
Speaker 1: what does he have on? I got tired, so I

2380
02:02:38,520 --> 02:02:41,240
Speaker 1: went to the opposite, which was what does he have on?

2381
02:02:42,760 --> 02:02:42,880
Speaker 2: Yo?

2382
02:02:43,080 --> 02:02:46,480
Speaker 4: These freaking fancy ass le crocs? Though, let's talk, I mean,

2383
02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:47,640
Speaker 4: did this ain't no regular?

2384
02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:49,560
Speaker 3: I had to look it up. I was gonna act

2385
02:02:49,560 --> 02:02:52,040
Speaker 3: like I knew what they was talking about. I did not.

2386
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm kind of myth right now because I'm a product

2387
02:02:56,800 --> 02:03:01,200
Speaker 1: of Sean g So I I promised.

2388
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:02,360
Speaker 3: You better follow that up with something good.

2389
02:03:02,440 --> 02:03:04,600
Speaker 1: Go ahead with me. No, no, no, I'm just saying

2390
02:03:04,680 --> 02:03:09,640
Speaker 1: that it's he is yet to steer me wrong. And

2391
02:03:10,040 --> 02:03:12,520
Speaker 1: he's always on me about knowing my worth and knowing

2392
02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:16,200
Speaker 1: my you know, my value and whatnot, because to be honest,

2393
02:03:16,200 --> 02:03:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is is that Crock Ben offered

2394
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:23,640
Speaker 1: me my own line. But Seawan's like, Sean's like no,

2395
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:26,920
Speaker 1: dog Like, if it's not equity, I'm not talking to

2396
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:27,640
Speaker 1: nobody else.

2397
02:03:27,800 --> 02:03:29,480
Speaker 3: Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, this is what we're doing.

2398
02:03:29,600 --> 02:03:31,640
Speaker 1: I was like, Sean, just please just let me do one.

2399
02:03:32,120 --> 02:03:34,080
Speaker 1: He's like no, because if I let you do one Crock,

2400
02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:37,400
Speaker 1: then you'll you'll give He's like, if it weren't, you

2401
02:03:37,480 --> 02:03:41,560
Speaker 1: would do everything for free, and business people would just

2402
02:03:41,600 --> 02:03:44,120
Speaker 1: take advantage, like a mirror DJ for free, a mere

2403
02:03:44,200 --> 02:03:48,880
Speaker 1: dinner for free. And so it's paining me right now

2404
02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:52,120
Speaker 1: that like the Crocks that I'm dreaming of designing, which

2405
02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:54,840
Speaker 1: is kind of on that level that he the lame

2406
02:03:54,920 --> 02:03:58,240
Speaker 1: that he's in right now. They just offer your year mold.

2407
02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:01,280
Speaker 1: You get bragging rights then, and you know you probably

2408
02:04:01,280 --> 02:04:04,560
Speaker 1: can leverage that to another company whatever. But you know,

2409
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:08,840
Speaker 1: Crocs is kind of even aroun Timberland was, or like

2410
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:10,240
Speaker 1: those companies.

2411
02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:15,960
Speaker 2: Okay, listen, personally, you can get I believe you can

2412
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:17,360
Speaker 2: get an equity deal with Crocs.

2413
02:04:17,960 --> 02:04:26,000
Speaker 1: See word, because things are happening. That's it. That's all

2414
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:28,400
Speaker 1: I can say, things are happening. I don't talk about

2415
02:04:28,440 --> 02:04:29,680
Speaker 1: something unless it's really happening.

2416
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:33,480
Speaker 2: Okay, I believe you can. I know you can as

2417
02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:35,760
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, just because you know I work

2418
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:37,600
Speaker 2: with the brands the way that I do. I know

2419
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:40,240
Speaker 2: that let it, let it be what is gonna be.

2420
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:42,720
Speaker 2: But I think it will happen for you. It will

2421
02:04:42,800 --> 02:04:45,480
Speaker 2: definitely happen. And that's the reason why. The reason why

2422
02:04:45,640 --> 02:04:50,640
Speaker 2: is because you're not the guy from the roots anymore.

2423
02:04:52,520 --> 02:04:56,040
Speaker 2: You're you're you're You're not like you would a guy

2424
02:04:56,080 --> 02:04:58,920
Speaker 2: from the roots. Until Jimmy Fallon happened, and then it

2425
02:04:59,040 --> 02:05:02,360
Speaker 2: was like a nah, nah, that's not the guy from Roops.

2426
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:05,760
Speaker 2: That's the guy who is the music director, that's the

2427
02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:07,480
Speaker 2: guy who did the Oscars that's the guy who did

2428
02:05:07,480 --> 02:05:09,120
Speaker 2: the Grammys. That's the guy who did MTV. That's the

2429
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:11,280
Speaker 2: guy who did He was the guy who's playing on

2430
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:14,080
Speaker 2: stage with Davy, Like he's that guy. You're not just

2431
02:05:14,240 --> 02:05:17,480
Speaker 2: the guy from the roops, like you're you're another monster.

2432
02:05:17,680 --> 02:05:21,400
Speaker 2: And because you do so much and never stop, the

2433
02:05:21,600 --> 02:05:25,800
Speaker 2: thing would be to get you. So if you're giving

2434
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:29,640
Speaker 2: it away for free, which I am begging anyone who

2435
02:05:29,720 --> 02:05:32,080
Speaker 2: does anything with a brand, don't give it away for free.

2436
02:05:33,200 --> 02:05:36,600
Speaker 2: You need to understand who you are in the game.

2437
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:40,360
Speaker 2: Because if you understand who you are, then you understand

2438
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:44,600
Speaker 2: that if if you walk in the door, it fixes them.

2439
02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:46,440
Speaker 2: All you gotta do is walk in the door because

2440
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:49,560
Speaker 2: if they get a picture like it fixes them. So

2441
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:52,520
Speaker 2: the idea is, let me do what I want to do.

2442
02:05:52,920 --> 02:05:56,440
Speaker 2: Ce Slea. He is a designer of shoes, so a

2443
02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:59,640
Speaker 2: deal like that is more. It could be Cachet for him,

2444
02:06:00,360 --> 02:06:03,280
Speaker 2: Like he also was a designer of a sa Chi.

2445
02:06:03,680 --> 02:06:05,920
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. He designed for yeas he

2446
02:06:06,040 --> 02:06:12,360
Speaker 2: designed forever. He's like he's not regularly good, Like he's amazing,

2447
02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:15,000
Speaker 2: even though sometimes you might not get it when you

2448
02:06:15,080 --> 02:06:16,640
Speaker 2: see it. Like I looked at the crocs and was

2449
02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:19,960
Speaker 2: like like immediately was like, oh, that's his fingerprint, and

2450
02:06:19,960 --> 02:06:22,240
Speaker 2: people are looking at me like talking about I was like,

2451
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:26,440
Speaker 2: look at it looks like a fingerprint. Oh ship. Yeah,

2452
02:06:27,200 --> 02:06:30,200
Speaker 2: Like so his mind is on some other ship, like

2453
02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:34,000
Speaker 2: your mind is on some other ship. So if you

2454
02:06:34,200 --> 02:06:36,880
Speaker 2: if you want to do it, and you you know you,

2455
02:06:37,200 --> 02:06:40,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure you totally understand your your your cachet. And

2456
02:06:40,520 --> 02:06:42,800
Speaker 2: because of that, they will they will do it with you.

2457
02:06:42,920 --> 02:06:44,560
Speaker 2: You will get an equity deal with them.

2458
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:48,800
Speaker 1: How do you feel about the design game now, especially

2459
02:06:48,840 --> 02:06:52,720
Speaker 1: in light of what is going on with certain figures.

2460
02:06:56,120 --> 02:07:06,840
Speaker 2: Oh god, I think first being able to dignify the

2461
02:07:06,920 --> 02:07:11,680
Speaker 2: word designed properly is most important. Not just I went

2462
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:14,120
Speaker 2: in and I colored up some shoes or I went

2463
02:07:14,200 --> 02:07:16,680
Speaker 2: in and uh and uh and and I told the

2464
02:07:16,760 --> 02:07:21,680
Speaker 2: story on the shoe. Like that's mocking up, that's reappropriating,

2465
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:23,240
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But like, can you go

2466
02:07:23,360 --> 02:07:25,320
Speaker 2: in and design and shoot from the ground up? That's

2467
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:28,480
Speaker 2: the lady, you know what I'm saying. That's different. He

2468
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:32,760
Speaker 2: like what he did at Asaji is different. He made

2469
02:07:32,840 --> 02:07:37,200
Speaker 2: a shoe that people if they didn't like, like he

2470
02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:40,920
Speaker 2: made people by Thesachi sneakers again. People weren't even thinking that,

2471
02:07:41,240 --> 02:07:43,240
Speaker 2: but he did something that was cool to the street,

2472
02:07:43,560 --> 02:07:45,480
Speaker 2: and they went on and board it again. And then

2473
02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:47,120
Speaker 2: he took that cashe and was like, well, let me

2474
02:07:47,160 --> 02:07:48,840
Speaker 2: go over here and show you some other ship. And

2475
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:50,160
Speaker 2: let me go over here and you show you so

2476
02:07:50,240 --> 02:07:51,640
Speaker 2: much shit. Let me go over here and show you

2477
02:07:51,720 --> 02:07:53,920
Speaker 2: some other went to New Balance and put a fucking

2478
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:59,000
Speaker 2: whistle on a sneak. He's some other ship, you know

2479
02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:02,400
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So the design thing, if you're designing,

2480
02:08:02,840 --> 02:08:06,120
Speaker 2: like purely you can draw the shit like that's amazing.

2481
02:08:06,200 --> 02:08:08,640
Speaker 2: But if you're just getting to work on some shoes

2482
02:08:08,640 --> 02:08:12,120
Speaker 2: and reappropriate, I personally put myself in that category, like

2483
02:08:12,200 --> 02:08:16,480
Speaker 2: I'm just really good at reappropriating some shoes. I'm not

2484
02:08:16,640 --> 02:08:20,480
Speaker 2: calling myself a designer. The word gets thrown around too much.

2485
02:08:20,920 --> 02:08:25,360
Speaker 2: And you know, you design music. I could say I

2486
02:08:25,480 --> 02:08:28,880
Speaker 2: design music. I could say I designed soundscapes. But if

2487
02:08:28,920 --> 02:08:30,880
Speaker 2: I say I designed a sneaker, that means I should

2488
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:33,080
Speaker 2: be able to draw a new one from the ground bag.

2489
02:08:33,800 --> 02:08:36,120
Speaker 2: And I'm the first one who'll be like, oh, I

2490
02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:39,840
Speaker 2: can't do that shit. And the only way I'd be

2491
02:08:39,880 --> 02:08:41,600
Speaker 2: able to get to that point is, if I gave

2492
02:08:41,680 --> 02:08:44,840
Speaker 2: them the ten thousand hours of trying to figure it out,

2493
02:08:46,240 --> 02:08:46,440
Speaker 2: you know.

2494
02:08:46,600 --> 02:08:48,600
Speaker 5: A quest can make ice sculptures.

2495
02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:51,000
Speaker 7: I've seen that, Steve.

2496
02:08:52,040 --> 02:08:54,400
Speaker 2: So what's going on in the design game is like, well,

2497
02:08:54,600 --> 02:08:58,360
Speaker 2: are you really a designer or not? I believe. I

2498
02:08:58,840 --> 02:09:01,560
Speaker 2: believe that if quests go in, he's going to be

2499
02:09:01,600 --> 02:09:03,960
Speaker 2: able to look at a crow, turn it into some

2500
02:09:04,080 --> 02:09:07,960
Speaker 2: other ship and it'll be amazing because his mind thinks

2501
02:09:08,080 --> 02:09:10,160
Speaker 2: like a creator like I did.

2502
02:09:10,120 --> 02:09:11,920
Speaker 4: That night he shoot that he made though first, because

2503
02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:14,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, wait a minute, and let's think when there

2504
02:09:14,200 --> 02:09:16,240
Speaker 4: was some colors and some designs on that. Remember that shoe,

2505
02:09:16,240 --> 02:09:19,240
Speaker 4: it was some reds and greens, different things going on.

2506
02:09:19,560 --> 02:09:21,760
Speaker 1: That was my first one. There's red greens, there's the

2507
02:09:21,800 --> 02:09:23,440
Speaker 1: gold version that was.

2508
02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:27,880
Speaker 2: Not I mean, you know it's I think he was

2509
02:09:27,960 --> 02:09:30,240
Speaker 2: expressing himself and I think he had a good job.

2510
02:09:30,520 --> 02:09:33,160
Speaker 2: And the thing is the perfect thing about that sneaker

2511
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:37,440
Speaker 2: was it wasn't mass produced, so it was you really

2512
02:09:37,480 --> 02:09:39,480
Speaker 2: gotta like this, you know what I'm saying. You really

2513
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:41,440
Speaker 2: gotta like it, and if you like it, then you

2514
02:09:41,640 --> 02:09:44,040
Speaker 2: get it once you see it, you know what I'm saying.

2515
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:45,960
Speaker 2: So or once it's in front of you, you get it.

2516
02:09:46,200 --> 02:09:49,800
Speaker 2: But like because it came out in a time when

2517
02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:52,480
Speaker 2: hype was was was really being some ship. Like it's

2518
02:09:52,520 --> 02:09:55,080
Speaker 2: people who got the shoe who didn't understand, you know

2519
02:09:55,120 --> 02:09:57,280
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. They might love the shoot, but they

2520
02:09:57,360 --> 02:09:59,200
Speaker 2: love the shoe because of the height instead of loving

2521
02:09:59,240 --> 02:10:01,440
Speaker 2: the shoe. For did you see what he did? Did

2522
02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:03,520
Speaker 2: you see he flipped the elephant print on two shoes?

2523
02:10:03,640 --> 02:10:05,440
Speaker 2: Like you didn't see that? You missed it.

2524
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:09,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot of nuances that sneaker heads get that

2525
02:10:10,120 --> 02:10:12,680
Speaker 1: regular heads or just like I missed that one. Yeah,

2526
02:10:12,720 --> 02:10:15,360
Speaker 1: well sometimes it was a lot of underground code to it.

2527
02:10:15,560 --> 02:10:17,720
Speaker 3: Sometimes you got to explain the underground code so that

2528
02:10:17,800 --> 02:10:20,640
Speaker 3: the regular heads can even know that the archit I

2529
02:10:20,720 --> 02:10:21,120
Speaker 3: know you can't.

2530
02:10:21,160 --> 02:10:24,480
Speaker 1: I feel like going sometimes like only for certain.

2531
02:10:25,920 --> 02:10:28,080
Speaker 2: But I mean when I made one one two, when

2532
02:10:28,120 --> 02:10:29,720
Speaker 2: I did the one one too, all I ever said

2533
02:10:29,840 --> 02:10:32,280
Speaker 2: was it represents workland, and then I let people go

2534
02:10:32,400 --> 02:10:35,080
Speaker 2: try to figure it out. So now in Nike one

2535
02:10:35,120 --> 02:10:38,440
Speaker 2: one two is a colorway, you can't you can't use

2536
02:10:38,520 --> 02:10:40,760
Speaker 2: that colorway or the way the mix of materials and

2537
02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:44,240
Speaker 2: colorwaves that I use unless it's it's in collaboration with me.

2538
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:47,400
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen an ill subliminal on a sneaker

2539
02:10:47,480 --> 02:10:52,960
Speaker 1: that only like that sort of got kind of you know,

2540
02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:56,320
Speaker 1: uh missed under.

2541
02:10:56,160 --> 02:11:01,480
Speaker 2: The radar of When air Force was turning for thirty

2542
02:11:01,720 --> 02:11:05,760
Speaker 2: five or no, yeah, thirty five, there was a there

2543
02:11:05,840 --> 02:11:08,160
Speaker 2: was a celebration called air Force one hundred and it

2544
02:11:08,280 --> 02:11:10,720
Speaker 2: was one hundred pairs of Air Force ones that were

2545
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:16,160
Speaker 2: all white. And I got to do one. And I'm

2546
02:11:16,200 --> 02:11:18,840
Speaker 2: going to tell a story that is okay to tell

2547
02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:22,120
Speaker 2: now probably wouldn't been okay to tell. Then I got

2548
02:11:22,200 --> 02:11:23,720
Speaker 2: a call and it was like, yo, what you want

2549
02:11:23,720 --> 02:11:25,320
Speaker 2: to do. I was like, what you want to do? Like,

2550
02:11:25,480 --> 02:11:27,160
Speaker 2: y know, we're doing these all whites coming on and

2551
02:11:27,240 --> 02:11:29,520
Speaker 2: do all white sneakers. So we's in New Orleans. We

2552
02:11:29,640 --> 02:11:31,720
Speaker 2: had a knee with Nike, and I was like, I

2553
02:11:31,840 --> 02:11:33,480
Speaker 2: want to do this, this, this, and this to the

2554
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:38,000
Speaker 2: shoe and we're gonna call it. Got that white now,

2555
02:11:38,720 --> 02:11:42,760
Speaker 2: probably one only one person in the room understood got

2556
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:45,720
Speaker 2: that white man and he and he because he's my man,

2557
02:11:45,800 --> 02:11:47,760
Speaker 2: He's going clock, are you sure you want to do that?

2558
02:11:48,240 --> 02:11:52,280
Speaker 2: And I'm like absolutely and he was so so so

2559
02:11:52,400 --> 02:11:56,760
Speaker 2: he was like okay, I'm I'm I'm gonna push for

2560
02:11:56,840 --> 02:11:59,800
Speaker 2: this one. And it really when he showed it to

2561
02:12:00,280 --> 02:12:02,640
Speaker 2: who it had to be pushed to, it really didn't

2562
02:12:02,680 --> 02:12:05,440
Speaker 2: have to be pushed. It was like it was like, oh,

2563
02:12:05,480 --> 02:12:08,920
Speaker 2: that shit is beautiful, like even like Mark Parker called me,

2564
02:12:08,960 --> 02:12:10,160
Speaker 2: and it was like, this is one of the most

2565
02:12:10,160 --> 02:12:12,200
Speaker 2: beautiful air force once I've ever seen it. In my mind,

2566
02:12:12,200 --> 02:12:16,800
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like, I hope he doesn't ask what does

2567
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:21,040
Speaker 2: got that white mean? So if you look at the shoe,

2568
02:12:21,040 --> 02:12:24,640
Speaker 2: it has three colors on it, and it's it's it's white,

2569
02:12:25,400 --> 02:12:29,320
Speaker 2: and then it's like this, it's like actually off, and

2570
02:12:29,400 --> 02:12:34,640
Speaker 2: then it's this gum bottom. Right, So it's three versions

2571
02:12:34,680 --> 02:12:38,360
Speaker 2: of cocaine, right, And I put it all on one

2572
02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:39,920
Speaker 2: shoe and I called it got that white because in

2573
02:12:39,960 --> 02:12:41,800
Speaker 2: the street, if you say got that white, that means

2574
02:12:41,800 --> 02:12:44,800
Speaker 2: you got coked, right, And then on a tongue label,

2575
02:12:45,240 --> 02:12:47,000
Speaker 2: I put the words stay fresh on it because that

2576
02:12:47,080 --> 02:12:49,840
Speaker 2: was my thing. My thing was to stay fresh. And

2577
02:12:51,600 --> 02:12:54,960
Speaker 2: I was like, I need all one hundred pairs to

2578
02:12:55,040 --> 02:12:58,560
Speaker 2: be given to me. And my rollout was going to

2579
02:12:58,600 --> 02:13:03,360
Speaker 2: be I was gonna pull up in the hood of

2580
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:09,360
Speaker 2: like every state and I was gonna be like senate

2581
02:13:09,480 --> 02:13:13,200
Speaker 2: Instagram posts out like yo, I got that white right,

2582
02:13:13,640 --> 02:13:18,160
Speaker 2: So a hustler would come looking for me and I

2583
02:13:18,160 --> 02:13:22,440
Speaker 2: would be like here, So I was gonna be serving

2584
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:28,360
Speaker 2: white across fifty states. But they but they took fifty

2585
02:13:28,520 --> 02:13:31,360
Speaker 2: of the pairs and brought them to Complex Con and

2586
02:13:31,400 --> 02:13:34,840
Speaker 2: they had this dinner and at the dinner, everybody who

2587
02:13:34,920 --> 02:13:36,839
Speaker 2: was part of the one hundred, a pair of sneakers

2588
02:13:36,920 --> 02:13:39,800
Speaker 2: got put on everybody's plate, and nobody knew what the

2589
02:13:39,840 --> 02:13:42,800
Speaker 2: sneakers want until they start opening them. Only one person

2590
02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:47,200
Speaker 2: had my sleep, and I was big because Biggs got

2591
02:13:47,240 --> 02:13:52,040
Speaker 2: that white right. People were like we at the tables

2592
02:13:53,280 --> 02:13:56,400
Speaker 2: and people are like, yo, what the fuck is that?

2593
02:13:57,680 --> 02:14:00,680
Speaker 2: So everybody's like, I want that one I want, So

2594
02:14:00,720 --> 02:14:02,920
Speaker 2: they telling the waitresses, can you go switch this? And

2595
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:05,600
Speaker 2: I get better DA data. So they're giving away all

2596
02:14:05,640 --> 02:14:06,400
Speaker 2: of my products.

2597
02:14:06,880 --> 02:14:09,400
Speaker 3: Oh they really gave it away. They didn't just let me.

2598
02:14:10,840 --> 02:14:14,680
Speaker 2: I didn't get to do the rollout properly, so it

2599
02:14:15,720 --> 02:14:19,360
Speaker 2: became but so I didn't really get to like it was.

2600
02:14:19,480 --> 02:14:21,200
Speaker 2: And the whole thing was going to be filmed, like

2601
02:14:21,240 --> 02:14:23,360
Speaker 2: the Feds were watching me, and then I was gonna

2602
02:14:23,400 --> 02:14:29,880
Speaker 2: let the fucking film come out and and so the

2603
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:32,560
Speaker 2: thing is when the shoes got given away, you know

2604
02:14:32,680 --> 02:14:34,560
Speaker 2: some people got like Ronnie five got him. He was

2605
02:14:34,600 --> 02:14:36,920
Speaker 2: like clocked this on Instagram. He was like, clock, this

2606
02:14:37,080 --> 02:14:40,200
Speaker 2: is fucking amazing. The only thing I cared about was

2607
02:14:40,360 --> 02:14:42,560
Speaker 2: when I got home, I got to make sure Jay

2608
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:45,160
Speaker 2: gets pare. So I get home, I bring this nigga

2609
02:14:45,200 --> 02:14:48,640
Speaker 2: to Jay and I said their call got that white.

2610
02:14:48,720 --> 02:14:54,160
Speaker 2: He was like cow, it was so important. And he

2611
02:14:54,240 --> 02:14:57,880
Speaker 2: wore him shits on his birthday. Wow. And I was like,

2612
02:14:58,280 --> 02:15:00,800
Speaker 2: he gets it. So what I did with the shoes

2613
02:15:00,880 --> 02:15:04,640
Speaker 2: basically I called up the ustles that I came off

2614
02:15:04,760 --> 02:15:06,360
Speaker 2: up with and I was like, yeah, I got to

2615
02:15:06,360 --> 02:15:08,600
Speaker 2: stay this niggas for you. And they didn't look at

2616
02:15:08,640 --> 02:15:10,760
Speaker 2: it like it was, oh I got a fresh past

2617
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:12,760
Speaker 2: nigga was look they looked at it like, oh, got

2618
02:15:12,840 --> 02:15:18,040
Speaker 2: that white clock. You're crazy. But the good part is

2619
02:15:18,480 --> 02:15:19,800
Speaker 2: Nike didn't get it.

2620
02:15:20,440 --> 02:15:22,200
Speaker 4: Well yeah, because they ain't got no because they ain't

2621
02:15:22,200 --> 02:15:24,200
Speaker 4: got that black in the office to tell them.

2622
02:15:28,160 --> 02:15:33,120
Speaker 1: That might be you might try. That's our clip from

2623
02:15:33,200 --> 02:15:33,600
Speaker 1: that one.

2624
02:15:35,160 --> 02:15:44,480
Speaker 2: Six years Thank you, thank you, all right, so so

2625
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:48,480
Speaker 2: so to me, that's the one that got missed the most,

2626
02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:53,520
Speaker 2: that got missed and and you know, later on, once

2627
02:15:53,560 --> 02:15:55,560
Speaker 2: I explained what got that White was to a bunch

2628
02:15:55,560 --> 02:15:58,760
Speaker 2: of people asking and they were just like, nah, that's crazy,

2629
02:15:59,320 --> 02:16:02,160
Speaker 2: And I was like so then later on, I can't

2630
02:16:02,200 --> 02:16:05,560
Speaker 2: remember what company, it was, Diamond Supply. They got a

2631
02:16:05,600 --> 02:16:09,040
Speaker 2: whole bunch of Air Force ones and stamped like like

2632
02:16:09,400 --> 02:16:11,840
Speaker 2: like pressed into the Air Force one the word coke,

2633
02:16:13,440 --> 02:16:18,080
Speaker 2: but it was the coke logo. It's a coke. I

2634
02:16:18,200 --> 02:16:22,000
Speaker 2: was like, coke. White's okay, I get it. But I'm like, the.

2635
02:16:22,720 --> 02:16:26,879
Speaker 3: Obvious plus obvious is more creative.

2636
02:16:27,120 --> 02:16:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was definitely. It was definitely more creative.

2637
02:16:31,200 --> 02:16:33,960
Speaker 2: And it was and the thing is once like a

2638
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:36,320
Speaker 2: hustler out of here. He understood it as soon as

2639
02:16:36,360 --> 02:16:36,680
Speaker 2: he saw it.

2640
02:16:36,720 --> 02:16:40,200
Speaker 4: He was like, Clark, so those shoes can never come

2641
02:16:40,280 --> 02:16:42,920
Speaker 4: out again, Like and no part Clark can Nike just go.

2642
02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:45,039
Speaker 3: You know what, that was a good idea that Clark

2643
02:16:45,080 --> 02:16:47,440
Speaker 3: did ten years ago. Let's reissue.

2644
02:16:48,720 --> 02:16:52,160
Speaker 2: Literally, I wanted a few that they seem to have

2645
02:16:52,280 --> 02:16:52,920
Speaker 2: some respect for.

2646
02:16:53,840 --> 02:16:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, they they'll resell some shit.

2647
02:16:56,800 --> 02:17:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah they'll they called before the stuff like that, Like

2648
02:17:01,040 --> 02:17:03,560
Speaker 2: I got I got something coming later this year.

2649
02:17:04,680 --> 02:17:06,480
Speaker 1: I was about to say, you still have a relationship

2650
02:17:06,560 --> 02:17:07,279
Speaker 1: with them. Correct.

2651
02:17:07,320 --> 02:17:10,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yes, it sounds like Clark, if you

2652
02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:13,040
Speaker 4: decided you didn't want to do music anymore, you would

2653
02:17:13,080 --> 02:17:14,720
Speaker 4: be good based off with a sneaker.

2654
02:17:14,920 --> 02:17:18,600
Speaker 2: The sneaker, I'd be okay, but I probably wouldn't because

2655
02:17:18,640 --> 02:17:19,640
Speaker 2: I love music so much.

2656
02:17:19,879 --> 02:17:22,920
Speaker 3: Right, probably be like no, I need to do that, okay,

2657
02:17:23,520 --> 02:17:24,039
Speaker 3: singing soul?

2658
02:17:24,280 --> 02:17:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, as we as we close out, I do want

2659
02:17:26,400 --> 02:17:29,320
Speaker 1: to know, like, where's your passion lying today?

2660
02:17:29,560 --> 02:17:33,640
Speaker 2: As we speak music music, Well, let me say this

2661
02:17:33,879 --> 02:17:41,600
Speaker 2: in this order. God family music kicks. Mm hm. My

2662
02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:45,080
Speaker 2: family means more to me than all of that shit.

2663
02:17:45,200 --> 02:17:46,800
Speaker 2: And I have a family because of God.

2664
02:17:47,840 --> 02:17:48,680
Speaker 3: How old are your kids?

2665
02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:51,400
Speaker 2: I have a twenty nine year old daughter and a

2666
02:17:51,560 --> 02:17:52,600
Speaker 2: twenty three year old son.

2667
02:17:54,560 --> 02:17:55,320
Speaker 3: I know they proud.

2668
02:17:55,800 --> 02:17:59,360
Speaker 2: That's dope, hope. So I'm trying not to embarrass them.

2669
02:18:01,080 --> 02:18:02,600
Speaker 1: You're doing well, man, you're doing well.

2670
02:18:02,840 --> 02:18:06,959
Speaker 2: I appreciate those words. But you know, yeah, they understand

2671
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:11,040
Speaker 2: DJ Clark Campbell like I'm their father first. Yeah, so

2672
02:18:11,240 --> 02:18:13,680
Speaker 2: it's like I got it. I'm trying not to embarrass them.

2673
02:18:13,680 --> 02:18:15,520
Speaker 2: I'm trying to I'm trying to do things that they

2674
02:18:15,560 --> 02:18:17,200
Speaker 2: can look at and go My dad did some cool

2675
02:18:17,240 --> 02:18:20,280
Speaker 2: shit so that they can be inspired to do cool shit.

2676
02:18:21,080 --> 02:18:24,160
Speaker 1: This this has been a long time coming. Thank you

2677
02:18:24,280 --> 02:18:27,680
Speaker 1: for having the patience for all the false starts. But

2678
02:18:28,640 --> 02:18:35,080
Speaker 1: you know you're you're literally you You're God's favorite DJO man.

2679
02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to know something that's crazy, quest is

2680
02:18:42,600 --> 02:18:44,840
Speaker 2: it's certain DJs that I look at and I go,

2681
02:18:45,720 --> 02:18:48,080
Speaker 2: I wonder if they think I'm good, you know what

2682
02:18:48,080 --> 02:18:51,440
Speaker 2: I'm saying, because they have their own their own thing

2683
02:18:51,520 --> 02:18:53,600
Speaker 2: attached to him, that that I look at them and

2684
02:18:53,760 --> 02:18:55,760
Speaker 2: like that he's fucking he's fucking ill. Some of the

2685
02:18:55,760 --> 02:18:57,720
Speaker 2: ship he does. It's crazy like I look at quests

2686
02:18:57,800 --> 02:19:00,960
Speaker 2: like my quest is a really good DJ, like Questions

2687
02:19:01,040 --> 02:19:03,360
Speaker 2: on the short list of DJs that I like, you

2688
02:19:03,400 --> 02:19:05,120
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I look at Jeff like I

2689
02:19:05,240 --> 02:19:08,080
Speaker 2: like Jase Jeff, I like Scratch, I like, you know,

2690
02:19:08,640 --> 02:19:12,200
Speaker 2: lou Louis Vaga. You know what I'm saying. He to me,

2691
02:19:12,560 --> 02:19:15,800
Speaker 2: to me, he's a fucking wizard. But then I got

2692
02:19:16,320 --> 02:19:18,280
Speaker 2: this Questlove dude where I think is out of his

2693
02:19:18,560 --> 02:19:21,560
Speaker 2: mind musically, and I'm like, he thinks I'm a good DJ.

2694
02:19:22,280 --> 02:19:24,880
Speaker 2: Like to me, that's like my worst Moore ship. When

2695
02:19:24,920 --> 02:19:26,320
Speaker 2: a when a DJ, I think.

2696
02:19:26,280 --> 02:19:28,120
Speaker 1: Why do you think we're all together in that in

2697
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:28,720
Speaker 1: our threat?

2698
02:19:28,800 --> 02:19:28,959
Speaker 2: Man?

2699
02:19:29,240 --> 02:19:30,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know if.

2700
02:19:34,360 --> 02:19:35,560
Speaker 2: Let's ask going about.

2701
02:19:35,440 --> 02:19:41,040
Speaker 1: That exactly exactly, No, man, it's please. I've been to

2702
02:19:41,280 --> 02:19:45,360
Speaker 1: a gazillion of of your functions, Joe. Now you get down, man,

2703
02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:47,879
Speaker 1: You're you're the greatest clerk. I appreciate you.

2704
02:19:47,959 --> 02:19:50,879
Speaker 2: For doing it, man, I appreciate it. And again, it's

2705
02:19:50,920 --> 02:19:53,360
Speaker 2: an honor to be here because when I look at

2706
02:19:53,440 --> 02:19:55,440
Speaker 2: some of the people you've spoken to, I'm just like, shit,

2707
02:19:55,520 --> 02:19:57,360
Speaker 2: he wants to talk to me. I hope I could

2708
02:19:57,440 --> 02:19:58,000
Speaker 2: stand up.

2709
02:20:00,160 --> 02:20:02,440
Speaker 3: Dog tribe, it's all the same tribe. You definitely belong.

2710
02:20:02,520 --> 02:20:04,119
Speaker 3: You're talking about people that affected the culture.

2711
02:20:04,200 --> 02:20:04,440
Speaker 2: Honey.

2712
02:20:04,800 --> 02:20:08,320
Speaker 1: It seems like another successful conclusion of the adventures of

2713
02:20:08,720 --> 02:20:15,520
Speaker 1: d J, Clark, Kent, Smoking Steve, and Fanticke A Little Blue.

2714
02:20:18,800 --> 02:20:20,640
Speaker 2: Can. I go on record as saying Fante is one

2715
02:20:20,680 --> 02:20:24,400
Speaker 2: of the best of them. Season around. He is okay,

2716
02:20:25,120 --> 02:20:30,400
Speaker 2: dog is wild. He's wild. Like it's funny because be honest,

2717
02:20:30,440 --> 02:20:32,280
Speaker 2: like when I first heard Little Brother, I was like, Oh,

2718
02:20:32,360 --> 02:20:34,920
Speaker 2: this dude's sitting and I took some time off because

2719
02:20:34,959 --> 02:20:36,840
Speaker 2: I was like, they're not doing nothing, and I didn't

2720
02:20:36,879 --> 02:20:38,640
Speaker 2: realize that he was dropping solo ship and then I

2721
02:20:38,720 --> 02:20:43,400
Speaker 2: went back and I was like, oh, fucking nuts, Like

2722
02:20:43,680 --> 02:20:45,960
Speaker 2: I think I tweeted that one day, like fante g

2723
02:20:46,400 --> 02:20:49,920
Speaker 2: is fucking amazing. Remember that.

2724
02:20:54,520 --> 02:20:57,800
Speaker 6: Dog Day to Day Fame was the first tape I owned.

2725
02:20:58,440 --> 02:21:02,080
Speaker 6: So DJ cl can't big me up like that's just now, man,

2726
02:21:02,160 --> 02:21:04,160
Speaker 6: thank you so much. That means the world. I appreciate it.

2727
02:21:06,600 --> 02:21:09,200
Speaker 1: Only Mavericks over here. Man. Anyway, Well we have a

2728
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:13,960
Speaker 1: fran Ticolo, Sugar Steve, unpaid Bill and Laya. I'm quest Love.

2729
02:21:14,120 --> 02:21:16,640
Speaker 1: Thank you once again, DJ Clark Kent and this is

2730
02:21:16,760 --> 02:21:18,480
Speaker 1: quest Love Supreme and we'll see you on the next

2731
02:21:18,480 --> 02:21:20,359
Speaker 1: stor now all right, peace.

2732
02:21:28,680 --> 02:21:28,840
Speaker 2: West.

2733
02:21:28,920 --> 02:21:35,640
Speaker 1: Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. For more

2734
02:21:35,720 --> 02:21:39,720
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2735
02:21:40,160 --> 02:21:41,840
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