WEBVTT - Nationwide Manhunt w/ Sarah Storm 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.279 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.080 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.480 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories, 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:31.200 done done, Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast. 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:35.320 My name is Lisa and I'm Kara, And every week 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.040 we break down an episode of Law and Order SVU 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.760 the true crime it was based on, and talk to 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:45.360 a guest from the episode. But first we catch up. 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.159 And today is New Year's Eve. It's the last day 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.960 of twenty twenty four. Wow, yeah, let me it all up. 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.640 You don't know when it's all gonna not happen anymore, so. 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.000 We are, yeah, enjoy it could be our final New 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.679 Year's Eve. I don't know what's happening fucking next year. 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.200 I'm nervous. I feel like we're in this like weird. 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:11.680 Quai terriffs, like the terriffs, the terror problems. But I'm like, yeah, 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:13.360 I guess I'll just keep going out to eat till 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:20.320 I can't anymore. Yeah, when tomatoes are gonna be so 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.840 so much? Yeah. Well, I also I obviously need to 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.319 shout out you know, we're in the time Machine. But 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:31.800 thanks everyone for coming to Cincinnati. It was fun. Someone 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:33.600 gave me something. I'm just gonna show it to you 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.920 and then your reaction, Okay, gonna be like part of 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.360 I think, the excitement forever. Okay for me and everyone. Okay, 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.080 are you ready? What is it? 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:51.240 Oh my god? This is amazing. Okay, well I need 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:52.720 you to take a picture of it and send it 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:53.040 to me. 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:54.160 To put up. 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:58.880 Like basically, it's the Era's Tour, the classic eras tor 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.400 shirt of Tailor, but it's John Munch and it's the 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:05.040 eras of John Munch and that is so fucking good. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:05.680 Wow. 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.200 Yeah, she's always pull out all the stuffs. You have 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.600 really great gifts. It's amazing. Yeah, you're gonna love this one. 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:16.640 It's a bracelet and it says hogpat Men's top yarn. 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.600 Oh this is the riddle from from the Homeless Man. 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:27.800 Yeah. Yes, oh my god. Yes. And I don't expect 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:29.960 any you know, it's always like just come to the show. 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:31.800 It was like in an abandoned church. It was like 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:36.880 super fun. I really loved being there and I ate 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.880 the best chicken schnitzer I've ever had in my fucking life. 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.840 At a place called Tuba's like if you were ever, 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.640 I'm the Kentucky Cincinnati border. Holy fucking chip. Oh my god. 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:51.840 But also someone made me ornaments that are each one 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:56.720 is a Taylor Swift album. So wow. And she like 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.799 threw it because it was nervous, like ornaments are delicate, 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.920 but it was it was great. Threw it up to 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.600 you like on the stage. No, they're like plastic, like 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.600 she made them unbreakable, Like she's just like you could 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.800 toss them around type of vibes. So it's really exciting. 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:12.400 Love it. 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.440 Love that, yes, because I every year break a ornament 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.000 that is very dear to me, and this year was 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.760 no exception. Just smashed one by accident. Yeah, when we 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.079 were decorating the tree. It just fell, just fell off 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.200 the tree and it hit a stool and it smashed 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:25.560 into a million pieces. 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:27.519 You know, what are we gonna do? What are we 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:28.400 gonna do? Wait? 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:30.280 I feel like I know we're in the time machine 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.359 and you guys are gonna think this is so out 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.440 of date, But you also are gonna be like, why 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:37.400 have it you talked about this and we have to 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:40.800 talk about Luigi. I mean, I don't buy it, like 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.560 you don't buy what that it's him. Yeah, I think 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:45.120 it's bigger. 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:48.800 I like he was doesn't look health and good at everything, 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.440 and then had all the evidence on him in public, 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:55.920 just in Pennsylvania, Like it makes no sense. Wait, girl, Also, I. 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:57.760 Don't think the guy they brought in, while he is 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.160 very handsome, looks like the guy in the photos with 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.000 the half the face covered. I don't really see the resemblance. 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.760 And that's what I said yesterday. I go, this guy 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:11.000 fucking got out of Manhattan. He got out of like 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.560 such a busy city where everybody was looking for him. 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.919 He ditched the backpack full of the monopoly money, he 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.039 had the bullets, he had shit written on the bullets, 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.920 like he was meticulous. And then he's just gonna stroll 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:26.000 into a McDonald when there's a nationwide man hunt for him, 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.440 like kind of nuts. 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.080 Right, Well, well, see, I don't think it's him. I don't. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:36.320 I hope it's not him. I want out more. I 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.320 think I hope it's a decoy. But I wonder it 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:43.000 is funny to like that you could see people's social 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.599 media and like his Spotify and then he likes Carly 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.520 Ray Jepsy. Yeah he I mean me and him have 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.479 a lot in common. We love a happy meal, so 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:55.279 it's like it's wild. I don't know. I like the jokes, 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.120 but I guess it's serious. I don't know what's the thing. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.720 I don't know what I know. I'm all over the place. 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.240 I'm like, oh my god, like he just shot this 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.200 man in broad daylight. But then also like insurance companies 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:06.839 are evil, Like I don't know. 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:10.400 But I mean someone told me that their theory is 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:15.080 that a wife hired a hitman, his wife wants to 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:19.000 kill him and it's all fick. I was like, I'll 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:20.040 get it done in New York. 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.720 It'll be wait and the wife is hooking up with Luigi. 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.680 I just I was sad that they caught him because like, 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.520 as we're recording this, they just caught him, And I 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.159 was like, I really could have had this go on 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.200 for a couple more weeks, Like I don't think anybody 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.880 thought they were in danger. He's only going after CEOs, 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:41.200 Like I you know, I would have loved to have 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:45.279 seen a few more sightings, a few more high. 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:49.839 L Tuna Pennsylvania. Like for some reason, I just don't 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.720 buy that he would be so out in the open 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:58.240 and not like yeah, eleven for a McDonald's. Like, there's 0:05:58.279 --> 0:05:59.760 no fucking way. Yeah. 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:01.000 I was like, why don't you just put one of 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.240 those like gator things over your face, like and like 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.560 it's cold in Pennsylvania and go through the drive through? 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.560 Like no one would even think about that, you know, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.880 Like I don't know if someone was like, pluck. 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:15.320 Your eyebrows, babe, I mean, I don't know. We'll see 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.039 what happens. But also I guess in New Jersey there's 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:25.920 like drones. There's like some sort of flying saucer things 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.839 flying in the trees, and there's sightings and the government 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:32.040 has confirmed it's something it might be hostile, like they're 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.120 trying to claim it's aliens. I'm like, no, they're trying 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:35.880 to see how much they could spy on us. I think, 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.359 I mean the government's sending things. Oh my god, have 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:43.400 you not seen any of this. There's like, oh, okay, Jersey, 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:50.080 unidentified drones light up New Jersey skies, baffling residents, bizarre 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:56.560 phenomenon flying objects, and the government is like, for sure, 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.880 but I think it's them trying to test out waste 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.719 to like us spy on us. Like I think there's 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:04.920 gonna be what is it called. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.760 Oh well, they said that the fucking weather balloon that 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.040 they found was China. You think it's like that kind 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.000 of thing, or you think it's like it's coming from 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:13.960 inside the house. It's like our government's buying. 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:18.320 I mean, it might be aliens or it's I think 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.560 it's our government figuring out like how to do curfews eventually, 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.520 or spy on people or emit a loud noise. Yeah, 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:31.200 there was a loud noise. I mean, and Jersey's like 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:32.280 asking for help. 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:38.880 New Jersey's like, can somebody help us figure this out? Wow? Wow, 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.440 this is an hour ago. New Jersey senator calls for 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:42.880 a limited state of emergency. 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:43.720 Jesus. 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:45.680 I mean, when this comes out, you guys will all 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.160 know that the aliens have landed or whatever. But like 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.800 I'm experiencing us in the time machine right now. 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:54.560 I don't want it. I mean, they're like, don't don't 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.280 fuck with it. The aliens can be hostile, but it's like, 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.320 I don't know, why would they just be chilling in 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:05.880 Jersey in the trees like this so low to the ground, 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.480 And how did no one shoot them down in Jersey? 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.920 No One's like I got it, Like I just yeah, 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:16.480 I don't get I don't get it. Yeah, did you 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.480 see them at Melissa Gorga has released a line of 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.280 sprinkle cookies. I did see that, lame get an identity 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.400 outside of your sister in law. I know I'm going 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.360 to be Tea Teresa like you want to be away 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.000 from her? You're away from her. It's her quote, She's 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:32.840 the one that got mad. Why are you doing this? 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.920 And they don't look good. Don't they look good? They 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:37.880 don't look good. I don't they look dry like I 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:39.920 don't want one. Oh my god, this reminds me I 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.640 have to order my Italian cookies for Christmas. 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.720 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Do you always go to 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:47.959 the same place of course? 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:53.600 Yeah? Okay, yeah, yeah, you got a spot. Yeah yeah, 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:57.720 I'll shot at Circo's pastry shop. And I love them 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:59.560 so amazing. 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:05.560 I'm trying to think of like, yeah, Luigi has been 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.000 really taking up a lot of my thoughts. 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.240 Well, I'm thinking fan like erotic fan fiction, like I 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.920 would I bet there are people masturbating for sure, to 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:18.839 the idea of like seeing him being like I'll hold 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.360 you at the house and like, you know, giving it 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:22.800 all and then you fall in love. I think there's 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.240 a movie called Labor Day that's totally this. Yeah, I 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.400 think I think that's the movie. Is it Casey it's 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.040 Josh bah okay, and Kate Winslet knows he's a criminal 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.760 and she's housing him and it's hot. Okay, so not 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:39.360 on original, yeah, but yeah, this is like hot and horny. 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.480 This is awesome. Like everyone likes the way he cocks 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:47.240 that gun. Wow, Okay, you don't feel like, well, I 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.240 wonder if he's gay or not, Like I just yeah, 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.720 everyone loves his body like it is cool, like you 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.920 get like everyone's. 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:59.240 Like yes, and immediately everybody's like Ryan Murphy's salivating over this, 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.160 like because he's and like you know, he did like 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:02.480 the Versace murders. 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.160 It's like, way, I mean, did you see the Kiki 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.400 Palmer thing. She didn't say who it was, but she's 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.840 promoting her book and she did an interview on the 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:13.600 set of Screen Queen. She's talking about how it's like 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.160 toxic and crazy and how there was like distress on set, 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.400 like people weren't getting along, and she did a thing 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.760 where she was just like, hey, guys, like let's you know, 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.960 like kumbayah kind of thing. You know, she's very inspirational, 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.600 so she was just trying to like get good energy. 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.719 And she does an impression that's someone she doesn't name them, 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.080 but it has to be Leah Michelle or Emma Roberts, 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.720 but I guess they went Kiki, don't who do you 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:42.160 think you are? Martin fucking Luther King? And Keky Palmer though, 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.760 is like the way she says it. I've watched it 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:49.199 dozens of times, like her, her cadence, like everything about 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:53.080 her is like perfection, and I keep watching it, and 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.480 so the way she mouths it, I'm like, it's Leah Michelle, 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.000 but like they both and then she goes, I was gagged. 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.760 She goes, I was gagged. I could not believe. I 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.760 just got like read racially and I had nothing to say. 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.280 I feel like it is her because I feel like, 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.000 when all the cancelation stuff about Liah Michelle came up, 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:14.400 people were saying that she said microaggressive and aggressive stuff 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.240 to Kiki on the set of Scream Queens, but we 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.960 didn't have anything specific at the time. Yeah, so I 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:20.959 think it's definitely Liah Michelle, but. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:24.960 It's like Kaky don't, like I don't know it's like incredible. 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.319 I'm loving all the press. I need to watch that. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.320 I need to see that, like that video that hasn't 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.000 come across. I'll be honest. My entire Explore page is wicked. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.880 It is still wicked. It's like wicked interviews. I'm obsessed 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.720 with both Cynthia and Ariana coming out after and being 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:41.680 like we didn't know what was going on either, with 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.720 the woman talking about holding space, like I love that 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.559 they're just like embracing how crazy that was them talking 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.680 to this like sassy little girl who's like interviewing them 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:52.800 and like taking pictures with that. 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:54.800 I don't know, I just I'm getting all the press. Still. 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:56.520 It's like it's like the movie's been out for two 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.160 weeks and it's still fully flooding my timeline and I 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:00.200 don't I'm not mad. 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.880 I love the choreography. I also think I might get 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.120 into Arianna's album that came out this year. I really 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.800 skipped it, but it's on all the top lists, like 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.400 people really love it, so I think I gotta. And 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.840 I've seen her lot. I mean, I love Ariana. The 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.000 Golden Globe nominations came out. I hope she wins. I 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.600 hope Wicked gets or the substance. I mean, there's just 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.760 so much cool stuff here. Yeah. 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.240 I saw a clip of Demi Moore being really excited 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.240 she got her nomination for Golden Globe. 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.439 I think that's so cute. Yeah, it's really a thrill. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.880 And I'm excited to see Nicki Glazer host. I think 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.720 she's gonna kill it. Like yeah, I think it's like 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:43.199 decades of prep has hit this moment of hopefully killing it. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:47.440 I mean people notoriously bomb, you know. 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.640 Yeah, but I think Nikki also is like you have 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.240 to have that like good line of like self deprecating 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.600 but also confidence, and I think she has that, whereas 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.959 Joe Cooy went in being like I'm one of you, 0:12:58.040 --> 0:12:58.720 I'm awesome. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:00.640 Yeah, and I don't think it works out for him. 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.520 And so I think, like, yeah, I think she'll I 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.959 think she'll nail it probably. I mean this is her year, right, 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:12.559 best year of her life, the Roast, the Globes, it's 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:13.240 all happening. 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:20.640 Cool. I can't wait. Yeah, Yeah, I'm into this Award season. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:25.320 I saw some I mean, yeah, the songs, we'll see, 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.120 we'll see what goes down. Yeah. 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:33.440 Should we get started with the episode I can't believe 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:37.080 that we're doing this episode after a nationwide manhunt just 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.600 started in our area, in our country. 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:40.600 I know. 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:42.400 Well. I was talking to someone and they're like, do 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.200 you think this is just like a big deal because 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.160 we're in New York. I go, nah, honey, this isn't 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:48.000 this is big news. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.199 No, we're all looking and you know what's crazy too, 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.520 It's like it's bringing people together. Like Ben Shapiro tried 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.400 to release like like an episode of his podcast where 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:02.720 he was like, the bloodthirsty liberal elite are are like 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.520 celebrating the murder of this man, and all these people 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.960 underneath are like, nope, I'm a conservative and I'm celebrating it. 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:09.959 Like all these people are like, nope, it's all of us. 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:14.679 It's all of us. Like so it's yeah, it's sadly, 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.360 it's sadly uniting the country in a lot of ways. 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.720 It it really is. But I was like going off 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.240 on a friend's pot and he was like, you're you're 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:27.320 having a special come out. Relax. He's like stop talking 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:32.200 like this. I'm like, I want blood in the streets. 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.680 You're like this has to be after your special. 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.840 Wait are you are you allowed to announce. 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.400 I'm sure it's gonna come out January twenty eighth, So 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:46.360 put it on your like reminders or notifications and watch it. 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.000 I definitely want people to watch it. But also you 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.200 can put it on as you leave the house, so. 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.080 Yeah, that's the thing. And then as soon as you're 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.720 done watching it, start it up and go out put 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.360 it on you keep it on an app running on 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:00.200 your phone. We'd love it to get the no we 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:00.640 wanted to be. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:01.320 We want it to. 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.640 Let's let's all rally, let's all watch it. It would be 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.360 awesome for it to, like, you know, be one of 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.440 the hot comedy specials coming out on Netflix. I'm so 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.800 excited to see it. What are you calling it? It's 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.400 called night Owl. Okay, I thought that's what I thought, 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.560 but I didn't want to say the wrong thing. Night Owl, 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:22.560 Lisa Tragger exciting. I can't wait. So yeah, this comes 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.240 out the thirty first, so it'll be coming out like 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.520 four weeks later. Okay, Well that's so great. All right, 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:32.600 should we get started? Well, I guess I should say, 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.200 you know, like, happy New Year. 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:40.440 I hope it's fun, chill, safe, positive and yeah. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.320 And yeah, hopefully you're listening to this while you get 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.440 ready to go out to a fun party or you 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.680 get ready to sit your ass on the couch and 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:47.920 just do nothing. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.680 And uh yeah, thanks. 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.560 For another year of listening to our pod and being 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.880 cool and you guys are the best. I don't know, 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:01.360 I don't have any resolutions stacked up yet. No, it's 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:05.680 only surviving. Yeah, yeah, survival, that's all we're trying to do. 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.960 Then getting it in. But happy new Year to all 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:09.200 of you. 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:13.760 Yes, done done, Happy New Year to all. 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.560 And then let's get started with today's epp. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:27.520 Okay, we are doing today nationwide Manhunt, which is season seventeen, 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:33.920 episode fourteen, and does connect to two episodes we covered recently, 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:37.000 Devil's Dissections and criminal Pathology. 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.640 So if you're glad you have those long fucking war enlightenings. 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:44.680 That's too many words for only three episodes, and they're 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.800 not in a row, right, they like bounced around? No, 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.000 they know, like those are at the beginning of the season, 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:49.560 I think. 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.240 And then now we're like, you know, like fourteen episode, 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:57.720 thirteen episodes later or something, and we're following up and yes, 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.440 Lisa did right in our it's Hulu thirteen. 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.000 Ugh, because if you watch on Hulu. 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.960 They make The Devil's dis Sections of Criminal Pathology one episode, 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.560 so these are all off but this is episode fourteen. 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.879 Just check if you're watching on Hulu anyway. We have 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.760 done the episode the next yes, yeah, we have Doank 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:18.160 Abraham one pip A Coox. 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.320 Oh, and the one after this is also yeah, so 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.000 if you start watching that, you'll be like, they already 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:22.679 did this one. 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:27.280 Seventeen has a lot. Wanna say, I've watched this one. 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.240 I feel like so much because I watched it to 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:35.040 get ready for What's Muggsy Caine? What's Kevin Kane? Yeah, 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.160 so that's like his handle, so like so like I've 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:39.919 watched it for him, and then we had Rudnick on. 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.359 I watched all of his episodes. So I feel like 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:44.800 for some reason, I have watched this so much that 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.240 I was second guessing when I put it on. I 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.439 was like, yeah, I already do this, or do we 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.560 make a huge mistake? But that's done. It not so weird. 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:57.000 We have a great guest too, It's kind of exciting. Yeah, 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.439 I feel like I've zmed with our guests. When the 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.480 like our podcast was episode one or two, Like, yeah, 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.960 one of the first people we talked to online and 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:07.879 I can't believe the time has come. But yes, the 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:08.600 time has come. 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.320 But also I feel like there's a weird Mandela effect 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.840 or something with our podcast where people will be like, 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.680 I feel like you've covered this episode. Haven't you covered 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.040 this episode? And I'm like, we haven't. You know, it's 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.480 like when you think you can't believe it's Barren Stain 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.200 Bears instead of Berenstein Bear, you know, like, I don't 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:29.320 know Mandela effect, but that happens a lot. But this 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:33.080 is Yeah, this is a good one. 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.960 So a lot of heavy hitters, a lot of crossover. 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.880 I mean, it's really like a busy episode so much. 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.840 In fact, it is a Chicago PD crossover. So I do. 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.359 I will give you guys the full synopsis at the 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.320 end of the Charicago PED episode very quickly. Not a 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.639 full recap, but so this episode, we open on the 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.679 kitchen of someone who has been hard at work. Okay, 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.040 my kitchen does not look like this. The counter is 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:00.439 covered in an ingredients, sauce is spilled, spices are returned. 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.000 Someone is pulling all my I do have to say, 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.280 you know, how I mentioned the dish podcasts and how 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:08.200 I was like, love you. We've been getting a lot 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.520 of comments from listeners. I love it. I've been getting 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.720 all these messages. This broadcaster someone wrote to me. They're 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:15.600 like the way you talked about him. I looked him up. 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.159 He's a national treasure. He has over a million followers. 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:23.520 He's like Britain's little broadcasting angel with the BBC for decades. 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.159 And I was like, oh, who's this little podcaster? It 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.399 was this guy. I think it's because she has all 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.720 these Michelin stars and she's doing the cooking that and 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:34.280 and it's because the way he talked about it, but 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:36.639 it just shows that parents are crazy. But that he 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:38.520 was just saying on one of the episodes how his 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:40.760 parents are like when are you gonna get a real job? 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:42.840 You know you just talking to a mic and so 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.800 I assumed he was like early in his career. But yeah, 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.399 he's like very very well known, very well known. So 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:50.679 that's embarrassing for me. 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.120 Well, I got to listen to that because or watch 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.880 the shorts. I guess everybody is so into it that has. 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:57.520 Been writing us. 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:00.920 But anyway, these people they should have next, they should 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.040 have this next character on their podcast, because she is 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.360 pulling a delicious lasagna out of the oven. And when 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.520 we get a look at her, it is none other 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:14.720 than Bronwyn Freed, who we you remember her as Bronwin Freed. 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.440 Now she's Bronwin Freed Wilkins. We'll get into it later 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:19.920 and you may remember her. We met her in season fifteen. 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:23.359 She was a juror on the William Lewis case. Who 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.280 that who clearly they've done this on us for you 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.600 a bunch of times, but like clearly is entering into 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:32.560 a flirtation with William Lewis in the courtroom, then corresponds 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:37.639 with him from in prison, then sneaks him propranolol frosted 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:41.560 cupcakes which help him escape, and then she later testifies 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.880 against Benson's use of force against William Lewis. Like she's 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:48.840 a real pick me girl, and she literally, I think, 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.239 is up there with Bing Bang Bong as like one 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.919 of the most hated SCU characters you know, and she 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:59.040 you will remember that at the end of Criminal Pathology, 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.919 she's just sitting in the courtroom when Rudnick is getting 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:05.080 his entering his plea or getting his guilty verdict. At 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.560 the very end of this of the episode, she's just 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.320 at the trial as a spectator, like nodding along. So 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.440 you're like, hm, why, like why they're planting a seed 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:17.960 baby for season episode fourteen. So now she's baking lasagna 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:21.399 and she's obviously up to no good because this is SBU. 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.159 It's not top chef, Like, we're not just watching a 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.159 woman bake a lasagna for fun. We see her place 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:28.919 a fat stack of cash in a ziploc bag and 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:31.360 then tuck it into the lasagna like on the bottom. 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.359 She does the same for a flip phone, some tiny 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.080 little saws, and then paint brushes. 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:38.320 I mean, this is her whole night. 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.840 This lady is having a time like uh and they 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:42.639 had an edible. 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:44.560 Yeah, yeah, she had an edible. 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.159 She's probably got a podcast on, and she is making 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.359 a little lasagna filled with treats. So we cut to 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:53.080 Benson on the phone with the Chicago PD guy with 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:55.440 like the insanely gravelly voice named. 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:57.440 Voight who's always like Benson, you. 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:01.359 Know, and she's telling him, oh, well, Yates is saying 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:03.359 he can id some of the bones that we found 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:06.080 in Pelham Bay, and he's saying that they're Midwestern runaways 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:09.000 and he wants to talk to Rollins about it, but 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:11.639 Benson's like, I don't want her my bestie playing Chlorice 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.960 Starling anymore. And basically she's like, so could you send 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:18.960 your hot detective over here aka Aaron Lindsay who is 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:22.679 Sophia Bush of One Tree Hill Fame and now Chicago 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:26.119 p D Fame. I guess, And she still hasn't forgiven 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.960 herself for what Yates did to Nadia. If you'll remember 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:33.320 from the episode day Dream a lot of yeah, this 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.560 is really yeah. If you guys remember the episode where 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.879 we talked to Dallas Roberts, who plays Gregory Yates, is 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:43.880 called Daydream Believer, and that was another Chicago ped crossover 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:46.359 where he takes a Chicago PD gal, drives her to 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:48.520 New York, murders her, and then we find out that 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:50.280 he's like killed all these other people in New York 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:52.560 as well. But he's been this guy's been bopping back 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:55.320 and forth from Chicago, Chicago to New York, just killing 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:58.840 people everywhere. And so now he's you know, offering them 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:01.879 info and Ben's like, Okay, well, why don't you use 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.320 your detective's trauma to get her to talk to Yates 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:06.280 and see if she can, like you know, use her, 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:08.640 use her trauma to get more info out of him. 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:11.320 So now we cut to Lindsay in a cab and 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:14.720 he wasted no time sending her to New York. And 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:18.440 don't worry, she is not alone. She's with Detective Antonio 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.600 Dawson as well, and she's having flashbacks the whole time 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:23.800 about her friendship with Nadia. Just in case you are 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:26.520 watching and you don't know what's going on. She's like 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:29.919 remembering how they found Nadia. I think I think Nadia 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:33.320 has a similar backstory to Lindsay, where she came from 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:36.119 the street and was brought on to start. 0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:37.000 Working at the police department. 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:41.160 So anyway, we cut to green Haven Correctional Facility, which 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:42.280 is a real prison. 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:44.320 I feel like, yeah, they do use real prisons. 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.080 It's a real prison where Yates is looking at photos 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.960 of bones and you know, obviously looking horny as hell, 0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:52.879 Like as soon as he sees any dead body torture pictures, 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.679 he's like, oh my god, he's so hot for it. 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:57.840 He says, the girls were driven from Chicago. 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:00.760 That's actually how he got found Gil right, didn't he 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:03.080 get too horny on the stand looking at the mountain? 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:05.960 They basically yeah, they basically. 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:07.359 Lured him the slam dunk. 0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:10.520 Yeah, they lured his hormone monster out of him with 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:13.800 like photos of tortured dead girls and he was like, yes, 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:18.600 so that is the big slim dunk. And he says 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:20.679 the girls from Chica were driven were you know, the 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:22.480 way he talks when he's talking to the cops is 0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:24.840 all like hypothetical. He's like, well, yeah, these girls were 0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:29.280 probably driven from Chicago to he says that bleak Bronx boneyard, 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:31.680 and I like the alliteration. I mean you can say 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:33.840 that a lot of times fast, like bleak Bronx Boneyard. 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:37.760 And he's like, isn't that where they found your friend Nadia? 0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:41.760 Like he's immediately trolling Aaron Lindsay. Dawson's like okay, dude, 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:43.480 like we heard you had info. Cough it up, and 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:45.679 he's just like fucking with them. He's like, yeah, you 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.080 want to know about bodies, how they get there, what 0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:50.520 happened to them. And then they show him a bunch 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:53.000 of pictures of young girls, which, of course, as we said, 0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:55.000 the horny, the horniness. 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:55.399 Rises up again. 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:57.840 He says, well, they probably didn't look like this when 0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:00.280 their killer met them, when they were at a truck's stop, 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:03.400 pouring themselves out for cocaine, and I like, I don't 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:09.000 remember Yates having this like sir vibe. Yeah, exactly, like 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:11.080 a moral high ground. Like I thought he just kind 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.480 of killed because he was like a lust killer and 0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:15.359 like they compare him to Ted Bundy a lot. I 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:17.800 didn't think he was, Like I disagree with their lifestyle, 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:21.600 so I'm gonna kill them. But he talks, he's trolling 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:23.960 eron again, going you must know the power of addiction, 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.760 and he says, Nadia told me all about you, how 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:28.959 Voight took you off the street and mentored you. And 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:31.000 Lindsay's like, okay, fuck this, we're out of here. This 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:33.840 guy's not giving us anything. And he's like, tell the warrant. 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:37.000 I'd be much more comfy with Detective Rollins. But they're like, 0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:39.919 he's she's not coming up here, and he goes, she 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:42.800 must have had her baby by now. I mean the 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:45.720 way he lights up like it's his own child having 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:47.040 a baby and he's going to be a grandpa. 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:49.520 He's like, oh, is it a boy or a girl? 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:52.480 He's like so excited and it's so creepy how excited 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:54.600 he is, Like this Dallas Roberts is a great actor, 0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:57.720 and he's like, well, if you want closure for these families, 0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:02.000 get Rollins here by tomorrow. So he's got a deadline. Okay, 0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:07.680 he wants to talk to this new mom bad. Now 0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:11.840 we're at the credits and at the precinct. Rollins is like, 0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:14.200 I told you I should have gone, like, I'm the 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:17.680 Yates whisperer, and it's the whole gang. It's Rowins, Benson, Careese, 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:20.960 Baby Dodds, plus our two Chicago PD gal and guy, 0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.359 Lindsay and Dawson. They're like, we've got four women. So 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:27.760 stupid to have another Dawson in television. There's only one 0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:30.440 Dawson and he lives on a creek, you know what 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:30.800 I mean. 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.880 It's like crazy that they would do this, so true. 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:38.000 Stop and Aaron. Lindsay is two first names. It's very 0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:39.639 she has a very hot girl. That's a very hot 0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:43.720 girl name, I feel. But we have four women who 0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:47.200 went missing around the time that Yates was living in Chicago, 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:49.639 and one of the girls was actually a patient at 0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:52.320 his urgent care. And Lindsay's like, well he seemed to 0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:54.120 recognize her. I'm like, I don't know. He was kind 0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:56.320 of getting a mutual boner for all of the women 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:56.800 in the photos. 0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:58.320 I never really saw any recognition. 0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:01.040 But Dodds is like, but he's a pealing his cases, 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:02.800 like why would he confess to more crimes? 0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:03.960 And Rollins is like. 0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:07.080 You guys are fucking idiots, Like only I know how 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:10.159 to handle serial killers. He never confesses. You got to 0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.119 keep the conversation hypothetical. And then he fills in the rest. 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:16.399 I mean, she's acting like it's she's like a full 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:19.000 like profiler. It's like, I don't really think that's that 0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:22.400 crazy of a tactic. Benson could probably do it too. 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.240 So Benson caves and is like, fine, Rowins can go, 0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.720 but Caries you're going with. And Rolinds was like, no, 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:31.160 let me go alone, and Benson's like no, like we've 0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:33.679 all got like his number. It's fine, we can other 0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.119 people can go too. So now we're at green Haven 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:40.160 and it's actually Rudnik. We see Rudnick and another inmate 0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:42.400 sitting in a and if you'll remember, at the very 0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:45.920 end of Criminal Pathology, Yates walks up to I'm sorry, 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.919 Rudnick walks up to Yates in the cafeteria. So we 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:52.959 see these two like reconnect. And now Rudnick is sitting 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:56.040 in with another inmate in a small group therapy session 0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:59.600 and they're talking about navigating interpersonal conflict without anger or violence, 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:03.920 and uh, look who's leading the fucking group. It's Bronwyn baby. 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:08.040 She is like quietly therapizing that, like talking in a 0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:11.840 very gentle like everybody turned to your partner, and Rudnick 0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:14.320 and the other inmate, Jose, are talking about how they 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:16.600 worked through a problem with one another. It's like they're 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:19.400 kind of making a like at first, I was like forgetting. 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:22.199 I was forgetting like the plot of this episode, and 0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:24.480 was like are they hooking up? Like why are they 0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:27.679 having this conflict? And then she pairs them off so 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.760 that they can sense one another's emotions, and then Yates 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:32.560 walks in and he's like, sorry, I'm late. I was 0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:35.240 in the law library. There's just so many inmates here 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:38.400 who need my help. Like he's this like benefactor at 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:43.360 the jail, at the prison. And Yates intimidates Jose, the 0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:46.560 other inmate, into skdaddling so that he can be Rudnik's 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:51.200 empathy partner, and then Yates asks, so is missus Wilkins 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:54.800 still bringing you those deep lasagna pans and Rudnick's like, 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:58.280 that's not your concern, and Yeates is like, yes, it is, 0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:01.800 because you just can't beat home cooking. So what's going 0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:05.680 on between these two, let's find out. Now Outside of Greenhaven, 0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:07.760 the cops are meeting with the warden, who is Anna 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.960 Devere Smith, who I love. I think I studied her 0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:14.640 in college because she's like a performance artist. And she 0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:16.880 also people know her from the West Wing. I know 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:20.400 her as Acolitis in Nurse Jackie. She's like the president 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:22.440 of the hospital in Nurse Jackie, who's always like a 0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:25.960 thorn in Jackie's side. And she's a member of the Academy. 0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:28.440 Excuse me, she's been voted into the Academy. I just 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.280 saw that when I was glancing at her Wikipedia. So 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:35.000 she's taking Rollin's and cares to get, like, you know, 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:37.080 on a little walk and talk and telling them, Yah, 0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:38.960 Yates has been well behaved. 0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:41.000 He volunteers, he's a model inmate. 0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:44.160 And Cariese's like, that's kind of strange for a guy 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.160 who's never getting parole, right, she goes, I don't know. 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.200 Sometimes the lifers get zen and try to make the 0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:50.680 best of it, or they want to get a transfer upstate. 0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:56.160 So now CARESI tells Rolins like see he chomed the Warden, 0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:59.440 classic sociopath classic, and dude, it's like, this is why 0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:01.240 she won't sleep with you, Like she knows you don't 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:04.200 need to. Man's plain serial killers to this mindhunter bitch, 0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:05.800 you know, like she you don't need to be Like 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:09.280 see Rollins, here's what you don't get. He's he's charming people. 0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:11.640 It's like, yeah, that's like Ted Bundy one oh one. 0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:17.200 So Yates sees Rollins and immediately says motherhood becomes you 0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:19.680 and ask asks how did you lose the baby weight 0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:21.920 so fast? Like it's gross, And then he's telling her 0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:25.080 you're glowing? Are you breastfeeding? Like why, I don't know. 0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:28.920 It's such an icky, like gross extra thing about him 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.720 that he's obsessed with pregnancy, you know. And because it's 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.560 not like he's yeah, he's not like a pedophile or anything. 0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.960 He's just like a perv. And then like he like 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:41.720 explaining games and so it's like a way to fuck 0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:46.400 with people, and Rollins makes it feel unsafe and uneasy, yeah, 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:49.560 because they're so vulnerable, like man that he's in tune, 0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:51.920 you know, he's he like felt that she was pregnant 0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:53.120 before she even told anyone. 0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:56.560 Yeah, he could like smell the pheromones or something like 0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:57.320 a little freak. 0:30:57.800 --> 0:30:59.320 Yeah, totally so gross. 0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:02.560 So Carisi interrupts to be her white Knight, but she 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.000 calls him off. She's like, it's okay, Creesy, and then 0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:07.240 she winks at Yates. I had to rewind it like 0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.960 three times. She does a full wink at Yates. She's shameless, Okay, 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:14.640 I know she's using every tool in that slutty little. 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:15.360 Toolbox of hers. 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.560 And he he was like, I was hurt that you 0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:21.400 tried to send the Chicago detectives in your place. And 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:25.720 then they give him more photos and again Boner City immediately, 0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:29.440 and one woman he suggests, well, she might be out. 0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:30.400 She's not in New York. 0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:32.600 She might be out near a truck stop near where 0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:36.800 she went missing, quote unquote, waiting in the weeds. So 0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:38.880 this is how he gives his little hints where he 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.320 never confesses, but he gives you information. Others he says, 0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:45.200 are possibly in Pelham Bay, but you know you have 0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:48.000 to get to give It's very Hannibal Lecter Quinn pro 0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:52.520 quot doctor. And he wants to be transferred to Honor Block, 0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:54.600 which is what it sounds like. It's like where all 0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:58.040 the goody goodies get to go in prison, and Dodds 0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.480 is now they're talking to the whole gang. Dodds is like, 0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:02.160 there's no way he's going to get honor block. He's 0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.160 a serial killer. And Careesy, who they're face timing their 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:09.000 fast facetiming with Rollins and Creesy from Greenhaven, is like, well, actually, 0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:10.960 once you get in here, like how you got here 0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:13.280 doesn't really matter that much. Like they use honor Block 0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:17.320 as a reward for good behavior, and he made a 0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:19.320 show of good faith and told them about the girl 0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:22.600 near the truck stop. This girl is named Shavon Kelly, 0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:27.680 and he suggests that they check truck stops outside of Gary, Indiana. 0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:31.160 So like, at least he's giving them closure on one victim, 0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:33.360 but he's not going to give them more unless he's transferred. 0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:34.840 So let's see if the warden will approve it. 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:38.160 And the warden goes, well, we can offer solitary and 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:40.120 they're like, well, Yanes is afraid he's going to go crazy, 0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:42.800 And I'm like, why would solitary be a reward for anyone, 0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.240 Like I think, isn't that where you go when you're 0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:46.680 doing bad and they want you to keep you away 0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:48.320 from everybody and make you go nuts and be friends 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:50.280 with a cockroach Like I don't know, I don't know 0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:51.960 why they thought that. She thought that would be like 0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:56.120 a counteroffer, but they thought of She's like, we actually 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:56.440 thought of. 0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:57.640 Transferring him to Honor Block. 0:32:57.680 --> 0:32:59.800 But Rudnick is there, and you know, I've heard they 0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:03.240 have history, and then they start chatting about the history, 0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:05.760 which we all know, and she goes, well, this could 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.720 be a ploy for Yates to get revenge on Rudnick, 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:13.480 and Rollins is like, listen, babe, if that's what Yates wanted, 0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:15.960 it would have happened already. And the Warden's like, well, 0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:18.920 we'll ask Rudnick about it, and Carsey goes, well, if 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.960 I may. He is my road trip best friend, and 0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:23.680 I would love to talk to him and see if 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:26.080 I cannot, like you know, chat with him and see 0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:28.160 if he'll go for this. So now we cut to 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:31.920 Rudnick and Cares strolling inside the prison. Rudnick is unbothered. 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.440 He's like, I'm not worried about Yates. I can handle 0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:38.000 that pedestrian sociopath, which I love the way he talks. 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:42.040 Friend of the Pad Jefferson mays and cares clocks the 0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:45.240 huge panel lasagna in rudnick cell but you know, doesn't 0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:47.840 really think of anything about it. Like the camera kind 0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:50.320 of finds this poster of Switzerland that's on the wall 0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:54.280 as well, and Rudnick wants to know, like what leverage 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:58.360 did Yeates use to get his transfer, and Caresee's like, well, 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:00.880 you know, I can't tell you that, and Reudnick's I 0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.280 hope you're not still eating bacon. You saw the World 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:06.160 Health Organization's study on that, and Careese says he did, 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:07.760 but there's no way he did. I just don't know 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.880 how Caresy is getting access to World Health Organization studies. 0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:12.759 But he's like, yeah, yeah, I saw that. 0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:16.600 I'm trying to cut back, and they shake hands, like 0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:18.920 they shake hands like this man is not an absolute 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:21.279 cold blooded killer who I will remind everyone cut a 0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:24.839 woman up while she was alive and thank you for 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.560 the reminder. Yeah, just so you know, it's like, we 0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:29.800 do love the actor. He's very charming and the bacon 0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:32.200 conbo is cute, but he is a cold blooded killer 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:36.080 and I guess the transfer went through, but it's too 0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:38.200 late for them to talk to Yates again, and so 0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:40.520 Rollins is like, I gotta go relieve my sitter, but 0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:42.480 I'll be back first thing in the morning, and Benson's like, 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:44.520 no way, bitch, he got to talk to you from 0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:47.680 now on. He talks to Benson and Careese's like, yeah, 0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:50.400 she doesn't want you coming back up here, and Rollins's. 0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:53.240 Like, why not. Why does everyone keep saying that I'm. 0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:56.080 Just flirting and winking at a serial rapist and a brutal, 0:34:56.080 --> 0:35:00.960 blood thirsty murderer, Like what's the problem. And Rollins tries 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:03.960 to compare like her Yates thing with Cariese's Rudnick thing, 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.160 and Rudnick's like, I just like talking to the guy, 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:07.600 Like it's a little bit different. I'm not like a 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:12.200 winking at him, you know, and spraying my pheromones all 0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:16.800 around him for fun. So back inside the prison, Yeates 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.560 says hi to Rudnick on the way to his new cell, 0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:23.920 and he references missus Wilkins again, calling her a miracle worker, 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.600 and Rudnick looks concerned and he's like, just so we're clear, 0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.840 Yates says, I'm gonna be there when that miracle happens. 0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:34.040 And I don't know how Yates even knows what's going 0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:35.560 on with Bronwin, but we find that out later. 0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:37.560 What I want to know, I mean, Yates can smell 0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:39.799 if someone's pregnant. I think he could tell if there's 0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:41.719 a plan being something going on. 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:46.800 That's true, that's true, but he reads Why did Rudnick 0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:50.440 say yes? If Rudnick had just said no, Yates wouldn't 0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.480 be bothering him, if he'd been like, oh, I can't no, 0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:54.799 Like they went to Yate Rudnick and they were like, 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:55.680 is it okay with you? 0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:56.600 If Yates comes here? 0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:59.000 And he goes, yeah, I can handle that pedestrian psychopath 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.399 or whatever, And it's like, if you had just said no, 0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.560 he wouldn't be in your grill and bothering you. 0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:04.759 You know. 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:07.880 Yeah, that's why it's a little confusing. But because I 0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:09.840 thought it was all they were all in on it together. 0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:11.680 But you find out kind of later that it's not that, oh, 0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:14.560 you're right, redneck is like, what you're here? But he 0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:17.960 didn't Yeah, but you did say it was okay. So anyway, 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.240 top of that two, now it's Benson and baby Dodds 0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:23.759 rolling up to green Also, Bronwyn could have just told 0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:28.040 Yates too, well, yes, yes, that's right. We I think 0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:29.960 we find that out later that that is what happened 0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:34.000 because she threatened her or whatever. Yes, but I didn't 0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:36.600 know when I was writing my notes yet how he knew. 0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:40.520 But they so okay, Now it's Benson and baby Dolls 0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.120 rolling up to green Haven and Benson's done with the games. 0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:44.920 If Yates wants to stay on a honor block, he 0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:45.800 better spill. 0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:49.600 Okay inside the uh Barba is there as well, and 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:52.000 Benson goes, I didn't know Uber came to green Haven, 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:54.200 which is like I feel like it's like a funny dig, 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:56.360 like he can't drive himself anywhere or whatever. 0:36:56.400 --> 0:37:00.520 But I think maybe Uber was fancy and twenty fifteen, 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:04.440 Like I yeah, I like, how is that a dig? Really? 0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:07.280 Like I yeah, because I mean it's like he wouldn't 0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:08.880 have taken the train and he wouldn't have driven in 0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:10.760 a police car because he's like too bougie. 0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:11.480 I don't really know. 0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:14.799 I don't really know what's up, but like basically I 0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:16.680 looked up green Haven and it is like an hour 0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:19.080 and a half north of Manhattan, so you know that's 0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:22.800 a that's a pricey uber ride, and Barbara just goes, 0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:25.120 promise me, you won't stop for food until we get 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:25.920 back to the city. 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:27.200 Like he's so boogie. 0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:30.480 He's like, how dreadful eating in the Hudson Valley. 0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:32.600 No, but yeah. 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:34.759 Green Haven is ninety minutes north of the city in 0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.919 Duchess County, and Dodds, Barba, and Benson are now all 0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:41.600 waiting to meet with Yates, and the warden says, oh, 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:44.200 we're just clearing the yard and like that, like and 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:46.440 you know, the first night on the block with Rudnick 0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:49.560 and Yeates together was all good, no problems. So then 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:52.080 Dodds attempts to kiss ass by being like, oh, my 0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:54.279 dad says hi like he pulls the daddy cart and 0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:56.319 the warden barely gives a shit. She does not even 0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:58.600 look up. She goes, oh, yeah, I see a resemblance. 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.480 Tell him I said hello. She does, she does not care. 0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.799 They radio to escort Yates out, but he's not in 0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:08.640 a cell. Jose the inmate from earlier who's Rudnik cellmate, 0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:11.320 is sitting at a table and he's This whole prison 0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:13.600 area reminds me of where they are and like the 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:16.879 final season of Orange is the New Black, where they 0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:18.880 have like the tables in the middle and stuff of 0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:22.120 all their cells are around and this guy's just like 0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:25.680 cuddling a sheepskin jacket, like that's like his little his 0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:29.000 little comfort object. And those jackets always remind me of 0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:33.200 Misery the movie Misery, where that sheriff gets like shot 0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:34.960 in the back and he's wearing a sheep skin jacket. 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:39.840 But the CEO questions him like, hey, where's your where's Yates? 0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:42.000 Where's your cell mate? And he doesn't know where Yates 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:44.279 is and he thinks that Rudnik is probably volunteering in 0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:47.680 the clinic. So back at the precinct, Rollins is pissed. 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.840 She's kicking a soda machine and Careesy's like, look, I 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:54.719 have the answer. My sister took melatonin for her postpartum, 0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:59.480 Like what a fucking idiot, Like she's not she's not 0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:02.000 postpar she's pished, she can't go on the trip like 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.880 she's it's and Rollins is like, bitch, I'm not depressed. 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:06.799 I want to talk to serial killers and no one 0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:07.279 will let me. 0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:11.319 And uh and also like I don't know, I did 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.080 not I never had postpartum. I think it's a little 0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:15.120 bit more serious than taking melowtnin. I don't think you 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:17.000 can just be like I just need to get some sleep. 0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.480 It's like a little bit more like chemical than that. 0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:23.120 And Rollins says Yates is gonna feel ganged up on 0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:26.360 up there, and like he's gonna be mad at me 0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:28.000 for pulling a bait and switch on him, Like she's 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:31.359 very concerned about Yates's feelings, you know. And then all 0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:33.839 her soda machine kicking actually works and a soda does 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.120 drop out, and Creasy's like, it's great to see how 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:39.319 motherhood's mellowed you out, and Rollins is like yeah, and 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:42.160 I hate this shit. I hate being coddled. I have 0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:44.680 a baby, and I can't talk to serial killers anymore, 0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:46.399 Like what the fuck? And I kind of I feel 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.880 her on that. I don't like people shouldn't treat you 0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:51.120 like you're like delicate just because you had a baby, 0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:53.719 you know, if you want to be a badass. So 0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.919 back at the prison, Barba's like, oh, so your dad 0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.200 knows the warden and Baby Duds is like, yeah, yeah, 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:02.759 he knows everybody. It's like okay, and then Benson's like, 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:05.680 hold the fuck up, like what she's looking out the 0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:08.360 window and she's like, are those drones? And then they 0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.640 see a drone flying above the prison yard. A guard 0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:14.800 radio starts radioing like code blue, code blue, as the 0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:17.440 prisoners start to like, you know, sort of mob to 0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:20.040 see what's going on with this drone. And then the 0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:22.680 other CEO is still looking for Yates in the library. 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.400 He's not there. Now we're back to Dodds and the drones. 0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:27.520 He's like, yeah, I've heard of people using drones to 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.320 drop guns and drugs. And then the drone drops something 0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:33.560 and the prisoners starts swarming. They start punching each other out. 0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:36.200 It's like a full like riot situation because they're all 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:38.600 trying to get to whatever packages these drones are dropping. 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:41.760 And then boom, two more drones are like right coming 0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:45.319 behind them. So Barba is stressing and Dodds is like, 0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:47.480 Barba is like, I am not going to die in 0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:50.279 this prison, no, thank you. I am in an expensive suit, 0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.560 and Dodds is like we're fine. And they're getting really 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:55.960 snappy with each other and Benson is like, boys enough, 0:40:56.120 --> 0:41:00.480 like cut it. And now they're investigating the package and 0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:03.520 the package is filled with drugs, a phone, a tiny 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:07.480 little gun, like a very little gun. And then this 0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:10.120 one CEO, who I feel bad they gave the skuy 0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:11.839 one line and it is one of the worst line 0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:14.040 readings of all time, Like I'm so obsessed. He goes, now, 0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:15.480 we're going to have to check the spokes in all 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:17.719 of these waterheads, like he just says it. 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:19.520 It's such a funny way, like it's. 0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:21.719 You should go back and listen to it, Like he 0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:24.799 just is dead like when he's saying this line. So 0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:26.960 back in Manhattan, Lindsay is hanging up the phone with 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:29.400 Voight and he's like, She's like, want he wants us 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:30.160 back in Chicago. 0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:32.239 Our little New York City boondoggle is over. 0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:34.719 And Dawson's like, we should at least wait and find 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:36.360 out what Yates has to say. It feels like he 0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:38.279 has Hamilton tickets and he does not want to leave. 0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:41.239 So back at the prison, the CEOs are doing a 0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:44.000 very chill check of the cells, like there no one 0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:46.239 is running, no one is like where are they? And 0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:49.040 guess what, Yates and Rudnick are still missing. No one 0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:51.880 has been concerned about it, really, They ask jose the 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:54.960 guy with the jacket, uh, snuggling the jacket and he's like, 0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:56.400 I don't know anything, and then they get it. They 0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:58.799 grab his jacket and they go, you better tell us 0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:00.239 what's going on, or we're gonna send you to Gen 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:01.640 Pop without your blankie. 0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:03.160 And then he's like, they'll kill. 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:06.000 Me if I talk, and he goes, I don't know anything, 0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:08.680 but he clearly does, and then he kind of glances 0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:11.719 towards that Switzerland poster that I mentioned earlier, and then 0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:15.400 the CEO puts his hand through the Switzerland poster in 0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:18.680 a move right out of Shawshank redemption, and there. 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:20.920 Is a huge hole in the wall. 0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:24.040 And I just think movie posters need to be outlawed 0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:26.160 after a Shawshank redemption, Like you just can't have them 0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:28.560 in jail, like you killed someone, you don't get to core, 0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:31.319 Like that's that has to be the rule, because they 0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:34.800 just keep building holes through the posters. So the warden 0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:38.360 breaks the news to Benson, Barbara, and Baby about Rudnik 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.640 and Yates being missing, and it becomes really quickly clear 0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:42.920 that they have escaped. 0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:44.600 And Dodds is like, well, they must have had help. 0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:47.799 So now Benson's talking to Jose and he's like and 0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:50.560 Jose immediately goes, yo, I heard about what you went 0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:52.919 through with William Lewis. That was fucked up, That wasn't right. 0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:55.319 He was a bad man, and it's like, what did 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:58.080 Jose do. He's like a little sweetie buye. He's like, 0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:00.960 I'm so sorry about your ordeal with the other serial killer, 0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:02.360 like that was really wrong. 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.680 And then they tell Jose so funny that like they 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:08.120 have gossip in the prison. I know. 0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:11.480 They're like, you've heard about that, that was fucked Like 0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:14.800 you know you don't do that. So they tell Jose 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.759 like listen, we'll get and she is a gay icon, like. 0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:21.080 I could just see him wanting to butter up Benson. Yes, 0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:22.600 so true. 0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:26.759 But Jose is scared of Yates and Rudnick, like he's 0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:28.920 scared of them, and they're like, listen, we'll get you transferred, 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:30.760 just like tell us what's going on. And he's like, okay, 0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:31.960 it's been a few months. 0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:32.640 I don't know. 0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:35.080 He must have gotten the tools somehow. He worked at night. 0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:37.000 He told me to shut my eyes and pretend to 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:38.839 sleep or else he wouldn't take me with him. So 0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:41.799 poor Jose was supposed to be on the ride out 0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:44.440 of the jail, but he got left behind with his blankye, 0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:47.560 and he tells them Rudnick didn't plan on Yates going, 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.200 but Yates insisted that he was going, and Rudnick caved. 0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:52.680 And now they're talking to the warden and Benson's like, 0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:55.960 jose told them that these guys knew how to breach 0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:58.879 the prison walls. And Barba's like, please tell me after 0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:02.279 Dana Mora, you sealed everything up, she said, which I'm 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.640 sure we're going to get into. But the movie escaped 0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:09.120 from Dana Mora starring Patricia Arquette a SVU MVP, I 0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:11.160 would say, one of the best guest stars of all time. 0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:13.000 And uh, the. 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:15.520 Warden goes, yes, we sealed we we welded up all 0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:17.799 the manholes, we checked all the access points. Like this 0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:23.600 guest who directed that mini series? I think Ben Stiller. Yeah, yes, 0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:25.400 I don't know how I knew that. It was like 0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:27.320 nominated for all these awards. 0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:30.200 And I want to awards. I want a bunch nominated 0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.319 for a bunch. I don't know where I've been, never 0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:34.839 even heard of it, Like, oh, did not know it 0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:36.560 was a thing at all? Well, I don't know why 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:38.839 I was so disconnected. I'm usually it was an. 0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:41.680 HBO movie, like it wasn't like a movie that came 0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:43.800 out in theaters or anything. It was like an HBO 0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:48.520 movie or TV. Is it a series, it's amazing series. 0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:51.160 It's a mini series. Yeah, like like five or six 0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:54.840 episodes or something. Yeah, it was HBO. But I only 0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:56.840 heard about it when it won all the awards, Like 0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:58.000 that was only That's. 0:44:57.800 --> 0:44:59.320 Like the only reason I know about the Stiller parks. 0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:01.560 I think I remember on stage. I just think about 0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:07.080 Patrici shark Head in a the act. Yeah, I haven't 0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:10.600 seen that yet. But she really goes she really takes 0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:13.359 fucked up parts and smashes it. 0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:18.840 Yeah, she's awesome. Oh, Casey's pointing out it was Showtime. Sorry, 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:21.879 rip Showtime. It was on Showtime. One of the last 0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:24.240 things they squeezed out before they completely collapsed. 0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:24.880 Does a network. 0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:27.759 So yeah, she's telling them everything's sealed up. This is 0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:29.759 a lock box. There's no way they got out of here. Like, 0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:32.399 there's somewhere. She keeps saying there's somewhere in here. They're 0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:36.160 in the interior of the prison somewhere. And then Dodds 0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:38.680 clocks this like steam pipe and he's like, what's this. 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:40.239 She's like, it's a steam pipe and He's like, well, 0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:42.640 it's not hot. And so it turns out the electric 0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:44.719 company was doing repairs on it last night for a 0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:48.200 few hours. Then Dodds goes around finds a cutout in 0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:50.920 the side of the pipe which leads to the damn street. 0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:54.560 And I will say that the cutout part looks like 0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:56.799 it's in an orange call, Like the whole side of 0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:58.720 the pipe is orange. And I think that's the paint 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:01.919 she was putting into the lasagna at the beginning, because 0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:03.520 I was like, what she was putting in like a 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:06.680 little paint can with like little paint brushes, And I 0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:08.759 think that's what it was, so that they could like 0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.040 cut that out and then like make it so they 0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:12.960 could get back to it and not have it be 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:16.880 discovered before the big escape. So they get out to 0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:20.400 the street and the warden is like, I had this sealed, 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:22.960 Like I had this cover sealed, And Olivia's like, Rudneck 0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:23.960 has family money. 0:46:24.040 --> 0:46:26.319 He probably bribed someone to unseal it. 0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:28.600 And I love the idea of him just being like, 0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:31.400 dear cousin, please go into the bank account and then 0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:33.400 I need you to go unsealed. This great outside my 0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.960 prison in Upstate New York, and they find a note 0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:41.200 that says I think I'll miss you most of all, Scarecrow, 0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:44.600 which we didn't even we didn't even choose that in 0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:46.600 the season of Wicked. Right now, but you know, you 0:46:46.600 --> 0:46:49.640 can't escape Wicket at the moment, so a little Wizard 0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:52.520 of Oz reference for you there. And Barba sees that 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:55.040 it's written in green nail polish, which, if you recall, 0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:59.120 is a Yate signature, like he used to paint his 0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:00.240 victim's nail. 0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:01.120 This green color. 0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:06.360 And just as the warden is like where's the Conell crew, baby, 0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:08.160 Dodds pipes up and he's like, we got a body 0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:11.400 over here, and sadly there is a poor electrical worker 0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.200 lying there with a snapneck, and they're like, well, these 0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:18.160 guys work in twos, where's his partner? Meanwhile, the warden 0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:21.160 is suspicious of Rollins. She goes, so he escapes right 0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:23.480 after your detective pushes to get him on honor block. 0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:25.840 Like even the warden is like, something's going on with 0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:29.239 those two, you know, And Benson defends her and is like, no, 0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:32.400 she had nothing to do with this, and Barba's like, look, 0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:34.879 he had outside help, the drones, the drugs, the hole 0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:35.319 in the wall. 0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:36.480 This has been planned for months. 0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:39.839 This says that like Rollins was literally like on maternity leave, 0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:42.160 pushing a baby out while this was being planned, Like, 0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:44.600 she's not the one we're after here. And meanwhile, they've 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:47.480 been slowly lowering one of those bucket things that electrical 0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:50.600 workers work in, and when they look inside, you guessed 0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:52.560 it another guy with a snapneck who works for the 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:56.879 electrical company. And then I think, Barbara goes they killed 0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:59.479 the guys who helped them escape, and I'm like, I don't. 0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:01.520 I thought that they just killed two electrical workers, but 0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:04.200 I guess these guys somehow helped them escape. But and 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.120 they will kill again, so they're very dangerous. 0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:06.560 And guess what. 0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:08.560 The last time they were seen was six am, and 0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:10.560 they have a nine hour head start, so they could 0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:13.920 be anywhere. The Warden's like, get Rollins up here. So 0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:15.839 Rollins is gonna get her wish again. She's gonna get 0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:19.680 another trip to green Haven, so, oh my god. Act 0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:23.120 three opens up with New York City Legend. New York 0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:27.400 one News anchor Pat Kiernan. I love this guy so much. 0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:30.359 He's he I think still is but was forever an 0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:33.080 NY one News anchor, which is like York New York 0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:34.960 City's like local news channel. 0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:36.600 And this credit. 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:38.560 He has so many credits because he plays himself in 0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:41.040 so many TV shows and movies, but this credit's not 0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:43.719 on his IMDb, which is crazy. He also hosted a 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:45.440 show I was obsessed with called The World Series of 0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:47.359 Pop Culture because I thought I could be on it, 0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:49.080 but I was no way good enough to be on it. 0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:53.200 And he's reporting on the nationwide man hunt. Drink for 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:56.480 the name of the show of the episode, and it's 0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:58.600 you know. They show pictures of run Nick and Yates 0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:01.320 and he's cautioning the public not interact with them. They're 0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:04.720 like dangerous, they could be armed. And now Benson's updating Voight. 0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:07.759 He's gonna send Lindsay and Dawson back. They were apparently 0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:10.080 about to board a plane back to Chicago, but they 0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:11.480 need all the manpower they can get. 0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:13.080 They need these two Chicago people. 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:16.200 So now the warden is leading a huge team of 0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:19.719 people made up of like cops, FBI, state troopers. Like 0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:22.480 it's huge. It's like a massive task force or whatever. 0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:24.800 And guess who she turns it over to hit to 0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:28.200 friend of the pod, Kevin Kane, who we talked about before. 0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:32.160 He is the most he I think has the most 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:33.960 characters ever played on U s for you like, and 0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:37.880 he's some kind of state police captain here and you know, 0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:39.719 now he's a series regular. I wanted to bring this 0:49:39.800 --> 0:49:41.239 up on the intro tomorrow, so I don't know if 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:43.160 we want to cut this, but he did make it 0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:45.240 into the credits. He's a series regular on the season 0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:49.480 right now, so I'm excited for him. SVU is downloading 0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:52.759 all these law enforcement officers about these guys, like, here's 0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:56.600 their deal, Here's what their m o's are. They're dangerous sociopaths. 0:49:56.640 --> 0:50:00.640 They will not hesitate to kill. And Kevin Kane is like, 0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:03.320 we've got we're searching house to house, we've got infrared 0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:05.640 in the sky. This is like his Tommy Lee Jones 0:50:05.640 --> 0:50:07.400 in the Fugitive Speech. He's like, I want you to 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:10.200 search every inch of this county, every in house, out house, 0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:14.920 back house, you know, like famous Fugitive speech. Another Chicago movie, right, 0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:16.520 that movie's in Chicago, I think. 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.239 Besides Feris Buehler like that's number two for me? Is 0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:22.719 the Future VI in terms of Chicago? Yeah, yeah, movies, 0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:25.520 those are my top two. Yeah. 0:50:25.600 --> 0:50:27.840 Sure, people like the Dark Night, but I just I 0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:32.399 haven't seen it. So Kevin Kane asks Barbara, how bout 0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:35.040 are these guys? And Barbara goes, think Ted Bundy and 0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:40.000 Robert Durst on the run together, which good one. Now 0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:43.680 Benson and Rollins are grilling jose On like who would 0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:44.200 have helped them? 0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:45.760 Who? How did they get out? 0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:47.719 And he doesn't want to talk, and he goes cause 0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:50.880 I like her, And then obviously we know where this 0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:51.359 is going. 0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:53.200 He gives up bron Win Freed Wilkins. 0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:57.239 She teaches their conflictunt Transformation class, but I think he 0:50:57.360 --> 0:51:01.320 just calls her missus Wilkins. Okay, so I'm about lasagna 0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:03.200 and they're like, what about the CEO's And he's like, 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:05.720 the CEO's like the lasagna too, And then. 0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:08.520 A CEO is like they're talking to with CEO. 0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:10.560 And he goes, yeah, I just I didn't know there 0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:12.400 was anything in there. I thought it was just lasagna. 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:14.200 And they're like, you didn't run it through the metal detector, 0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:16.520 and he goes she asked if I could hand check it. 0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:18.680 She didn't want those cancer rays to hit her lunch. 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:21.960 They give you cancer, like it's like so funny, like 0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:23.759 you walk through a metal detector every day, but your 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:27.040 lunch can't. Like I don't know. The CEO wants his rep. 0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:29.120 He's like, I'm not talking anymore. I know I fucked 0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:31.759 up here. I want my rep. So now SVU is 0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:33.520 in a walk and talk with the warden who is 0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:36.480 describing Bronwyn. And when Benson. 0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:41.000 Hearsay, do you want to try this LASAGNYA yeah, everybody's 0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:43.879 going gog offer this lasagna. It's letting people completely lose 0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:48.400 their jobs. But Benson, here's the name Bronwyn and is like, 0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:51.720 alarm bells right. She goes, wait, her name is Bronwyn, 0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:55.560 and then the warden goes, yeah, bron Win Wilkins. But 0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:57.840 she got married last month and when she became Wilkins, 0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:02.080 she was Bronwin freed before Benson is like what in 0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:06.160 the fuck? Like she's like, she helps another guy get 0:52:06.200 --> 0:52:08.680 out of jail, like Rollins is like, how did you 0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:12.200 not run a background check? But it turns out Barbara 0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:14.719 reveals to Benson for the first time and to her 0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:19.080 big surprise, that the charges for Bronwyn for aiding William 0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:23.080 Lewis's escape were dropped because of political pressure to cover 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:26.440 up corruption in the prison system. And Benson's like are. 0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:29.319 You fucking and like they can't Like Rollinson's like, we 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:32.759 can't even get into this right now. But like she's like, 0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:36.160 isn't she flagged at rikers? And the Warden's like sure, 0:52:36.200 --> 0:52:40.040 but that's city. We're state, so they won't even communicate 0:52:40.080 --> 0:52:40.520 with each other. 0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:43.520 I know how bad the warden is, but doesn't care, 0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:46.279 Like this is like the worst warden we've ever seen. 0:52:46.640 --> 0:52:51.360 She is so on the floor. She's so flighty. Yeah, 0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:56.120 she's like I I mean usually they're like sticklers or asked, 0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:59.640 you know, I'm the warden, and this she's just like, oh, 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:00.440 come on. 0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:06.040 She doesn't seem upset at all that two fucking serial 0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:08.479 killers have just escaped her prison. I mean, you could 0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:10.279 lose your job, right, isn't that kind of like on 0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:11.800 your watch that this happened? 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:14.680 Like he does not chill man. 0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:18.040 She took an edible before work, she or she had 0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:19.960 them hand check her bag and she's got her edibles 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:23.480 in there, okay, because she's not she's not caring, okay, 0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:27.719 And Rollins is like, I'm done playing games and she 0:53:27.840 --> 0:53:29.680 tells the she like yells at the ward and she's like, 0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:32.799 I'm done with this little like ditsy Warden routine cough 0:53:32.880 --> 0:53:36.680 up an address. So now they're at Bronwin's residence, which 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:39.359 is in Stormville, New York, where green Haven actually is, 0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:43.200 and the cops are swarming it. And like I was 0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:47.160 looking at the timeline, like the Rudnick trial was in June, okay, 0:53:47.239 --> 0:53:51.560 and it's February. So in eight months, this woman relocated 0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:54.840 to Duchess County, got a job at the prison, got married, 0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:57.560 and helped hatch a full jail break. Women really do 0:53:57.600 --> 0:53:59.799 get everything done. I mean they do get shit done. 0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:02.840 Do be getting it done. The cops bust in and 0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:05.560 there's just a dude sitting on the couch watching NASCAR 0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:09.360 and eating you guessed it, lasagna, and he is Kyle. 0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:13.720 He is Bronwy's husband, and he's like, what, I'm her husband. 0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:14.480 She had an. 0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:16.960 Emergency, she took my car. And that's that guy's that's 0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:19.520 a wrap on Bronwin's husband. That's all we see from him. 0:54:19.600 --> 0:54:22.680 We don't get him anymore. They track down the vehicle. 0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:27.200 The dogs picked up the scent, but like they of 0:54:27.239 --> 0:54:30.240 the two guys, but they've ditched the car. Caresy finds 0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:33.160 a prison jumpsuit, a dress and a wig in a dumpster, 0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:36.960 and then liv goes, now, the question is where's Rudnick's body? 0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:39.200 And I'm like, I don't know why you assume Rudnick 0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:42.680 is dead. That's a weird line for me. The dog 0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:45.359 picks up a smell and everybody goes running. They find 0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:49.320 a car nearby with whimpering sounds coming from the trunk, 0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:52.600 and they bust it open and it's Bronwyn. She's tied 0:54:52.680 --> 0:54:55.359 up and she's taped over the mouth. They rip up 0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:58.040 off that duct tape. They don't give a fuck, and 0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:03.320 Lindsay goes, here's Yeates and she was like, I haven't seen. 0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:04.839 Them since before noon. Please help me. 0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:06.879 Please help me, And no one has any fucking love 0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:09.560 for her. Benson snarls. She's like, get her out of here, 0:55:09.719 --> 0:55:13.160 like they don't care about this woman. And now we're 0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:15.680 getting a summary from a different New York One reporter 0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:19.640 Cheryl Wills on TV. She's explaining the two fugitives had 0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:22.920 a female accomplice. At the state Police, Rollins and Barbara 0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:27.320 are questioning Bronwyn and she's like, listen, I was working 0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:30.080 with Rudnick on his impulse issues. He's a sensitive man 0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:33.319 and we grew close, and she's telling them like she 0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:35.840 brought gifts to Rudnick. She's like, you know, the usual 0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:39.560 stuff you bring a prisoner, organic soaps, spices. Benson's like, 0:55:39.600 --> 0:55:43.520 how about hack saws, and Bronwin goes, it might not 0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:44.879 be good for Benson to be here. 0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:49.160 She has a lot of anger towards me. It's like, yes, lol, 0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:49.640 you were. 0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:51.799 Basically in love with the man that gave her like 0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:54.680 the worst drama of her life, so yeah, she doesn't 0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:58.200 love you. And then Benson is arguing with Bronwyn and 0:55:58.280 --> 0:56:01.080 she's like, no, Rudnick is a man and lives like 0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:03.880 he chopped a woman into pieces. And bron Win's like, 0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:05.759 I don't know that Rutnick. I don't know that side 0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:08.360 of him, and Rollin says like, listen, I'm sure he 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:10.680 was nice to you. But then Benson is like, girl, 0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:12.960 they left you to die in the trunk of a car. 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:15.839 It's fucking February and upstate New York, by the way, 0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:17.600 like she would have absolutely frozen to death in a 0:56:17.640 --> 0:56:18.360 few more hours. 0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:21.720 Barba tells her, you're looking at felony chargers. 0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:24.480 Girl, just give us everything, okay, So that the squad 0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:28.080 gets some traffic camstills of two little ladies on a 0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:32.560 road trip, and you got it, it's Rudnick and Yates. 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:36.319 Somebody I think it's Greasi goes, yeah, two women in 0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:38.239 a suber who's not going to raise any flags. And 0:56:38.280 --> 0:56:40.120 I do feel like this is a lesbian joke, like 0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:43.120 a quiet lesbian joke, because you know, it is a 0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:47.000 classic lesbian car. Subaru's So they dumped Brounwin because Yates 0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:50.480 said she's served her purpose, and then Rudnick said he 0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:52.440 would kill her, but he just fired a shot in 0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:53.879 the air and threw her in the trunk. And bron 0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:57.400 Win's like, he's saved my life. Like she's still so like, 0:56:58.080 --> 0:57:01.239 you know, enamored of Rudnick, like he's like guy. So 0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:03.960 Bronwin apparently gave Rudnick a gun and a map of 0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:07.319 Aderondeck Steak Park. Coresian Dodds are rolling out the map 0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:09.279 of the park and Kevin King goes, uh, just so 0:57:09.400 --> 0:57:12.239 you guys know, that's six million acres. And I don't 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:14.160 really know why we ever talk in acres. Why can't 0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:16.480 we just do miles. I don't understand acreage, but six 0:57:16.520 --> 0:57:20.000 million of anything seems like a lot Rudnick originally tried 0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:22.520 to run for Buffalo in his first case, and Yates 0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:24.560 when he got out one on his killing spree, so 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:27.080 we can't even be sure that these two are together anymore. 0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:31.800 Bronwyn is now continuing her tale, telling Barbara that Yates 0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:35.000 found out that she and Rudnick were intimate, and Barbara 0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:38.720 goes physically and she goes no spiritually of course, like, 0:57:38.880 --> 0:57:42.160 of course I wouldn't go so far as to fucking inmate. 0:57:42.280 --> 0:57:44.320 I just got him all the tools to get out 0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:47.760 of jail and we had an emotional affair. So it 0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:50.760 turns out Yates found out about the lasagna. She told 0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:53.160 him one more time. 0:57:53.320 --> 0:57:58.080 I know it's crazy, like Garfield's favorite episode, I really 0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:01.760 so true said. 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:05.120 You have to take a shot of Marnera every time 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:08.800 I say lasagna in this episode. Okay, So she told 0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:11.439 Yates the Rudnick escape plan and she's like, I had 0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:12.800 to or he said he was going to kill my 0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:17.280 husband and boins him go boints, sorry, I'm like on 0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:22.920 drugs today, Benson points out, is funny. 0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:23.480 Because I was saying Benson points. 0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:26.720 At the same time Boinson points and points out he's 0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:29.520 in prison and your husband is thirty miles away. How 0:58:29.560 --> 0:58:32.520 exactly were you feeling a direct threat to your husband's safety? 0:58:32.800 --> 0:58:35.880 And Bronman goes, you know that when Yates wants something 0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:38.680 violent to happen, he finds a way, and she's not wrong, 0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:41.160 like he does get shit done in terms of U yes, 0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:46.200 but exactly. But I think she was like, I'm looking 0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:48.120 after my husband. I had to get I had to 0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:49.400 give him what he wanted or he was going to 0:58:49.440 --> 0:58:50.560 find a way to kill my husband. 0:58:50.920 --> 0:58:52.400 So it's like, do you even love your husband? You 0:58:52.440 --> 0:58:52.960 love Rudnick? 0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:55.280 Who cares about Kyle. He's at home meeting your lasagna, 0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:59.600 watching fucking Nascar. You love Rudnick. So we cut to 0:58:59.760 --> 0:59:03.320 a nasty crime scene. Okay, a female state trooper is 0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:06.440 on the ground, like you know, underwear around her ankles, 0:59:06.440 --> 0:59:08.960 which obviously is telegraphing the rape. 0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:10.000 And she was murdered. 0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:13.920 She's covered in blood and she'd been called because a 0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:16.320 neighbor saw smoke coming out of the chimney. But the 0:59:16.360 --> 0:59:18.360 owners are never there in the winter, so the neighbor 0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:20.439 you know, called the cops and that this trooper showed 0:59:20.520 --> 0:59:24.200 up and unfortunately Yates was there, or maybe both of them, 0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:26.280 So the call to the police was an hour ago, 0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:27.240 so they must be close. 0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:28.760 They also left a trail of blood. 0:59:29.160 --> 0:59:32.600 Dawson is making sure Lindsey's okay, but she looks very shook, 0:59:32.640 --> 0:59:34.720 and he's like, don't worry, we're gonna get him. So 0:59:34.760 --> 0:59:36.880 they follow the blood trail and it leads to the 0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:39.240 water like a lake, and we're all at this lake. 0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:42.200 Now it's raining, it's dark, it looks cold as fuck, 0:59:42.280 --> 0:59:44.240 like we're in bubble fuck New York. Like this is 0:59:44.280 --> 0:59:46.800 not where anybody wants to be. Right now, they've got 0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:50.480 someone in a parked boat that they've detected on the 0:59:50.520 --> 0:59:53.280 infrared camera and they're like, it's Rudnick. We can see 0:59:53.320 --> 0:59:56.120 him on the infrared, and Kevin Kaine's character is like, 0:59:56.440 --> 0:59:57.560 I'm not risking my guys. 0:59:57.600 --> 0:59:59.800 Everybody shoot at the boat. It's wild. 1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:03.920 CA's like stop, stop, like this man is my best friend. 1:00:04.080 --> 1:00:05.560 I'm going to go talk to him, and he yells 1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:06.680 we have history. 1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:10.280 So he approaches the boat and he tells Rudnick like 1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:12.040 he's approaching the boat, going I want you to live, 1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:13.920 I want you to walk out of here, and then 1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:18.280 he pulls back the tarp and Rudnick is covered in blood. Shaking, 1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:21.320 and then the camera kind of finds his leg and 1:00:21.520 --> 1:00:23.360 it looks bent in a weird way. I couldn't really 1:00:23.400 --> 1:00:26.280 see what was going on, but he's thanking creasy. 1:00:26.320 --> 1:00:27.600 He's like, thank you, caresy. 1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:31.400 So now we're back to New York one and Pat 1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:34.040 Kiernan is telling us that Rudnick has been apprehended and 1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:35.840 has suffered a lot of injuries and was rushed to 1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:38.680 the hospital. Yates is still at large. They show a 1:00:38.760 --> 1:00:41.440 map with this is hilarious. They show a map with 1:00:41.520 --> 1:00:44.000 little red pins for all the sightings that people have 1:00:44.120 --> 1:00:46.200 called in for Yates, and they're all over the country. 1:00:46.400 --> 1:00:49.200 And then they just put a massive question mark over 1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:51.960 the top of the United States and it's like, very 1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:55.320 helpful graphic, very helpful. So they I've never seen anything 1:00:55.360 --> 1:00:57.920 like that on a news report. They cut to them 1:00:57.960 --> 1:01:01.360 at the hospital Yeates. It turns out out hobbled Rudnick, 1:01:01.400 --> 1:01:03.960 which is another term I learned from misery, So two 1:01:03.960 --> 1:01:06.560 misery references in this episode for me, Like, I didn't 1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:09.160 know what hobbling was until Kathy Bates hobbled him in 1:01:09.920 --> 1:01:13.280 that which is where you you know, put a piece 1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:15.040 of wood in between the ankles and then you like 1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:18.080 hammer you break their ankles, and apparently Yates broke his 1:01:18.160 --> 1:01:20.840 knees as well and pierced his ear drum. I don't 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:23.880 know why that like detail was put in there. It 1:01:23.920 --> 1:01:26.400 sounds terrible, but and then he just left him to 1:01:26.400 --> 1:01:29.000 die in the boat. Benson doesn't give a fuck. She's like, 1:01:29.080 --> 1:01:31.800 oh boohoo, like she could care about what happens to Rudnick. 1:01:32.080 --> 1:01:34.960 He's apparently in and out of consciousness. But Kevin Kane 1:01:35.000 --> 1:01:37.520 tells them that he indicated that the plan was to 1:01:37.520 --> 1:01:40.280 cross the border on this like Saint Lawrence River or something. 1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:45.320 Uh uh so now uh oh bad news. Dawson can't 1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:48.760 find Lindsey. They split up and she went with Dodds. Meanwhile, 1:01:48.840 --> 1:01:52.960 Rudnick is talking to Caresy now he's awake, and Rudnick saying, 1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:54.840 it was never my intention to hurt anyone. 1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:57.000 I just wanted to leave the country and live a life. 1:01:56.760 --> 1:02:00.600 Of peace, and Careese is holding Rudnick's hand and he goes, 1:02:00.720 --> 1:02:03.960 Yates only wanted one thing, revenge. And then he's like, well, 1:02:03.960 --> 1:02:05.919 where were you headed on the river and he goes 1:02:06.000 --> 1:02:10.240 Wellesley Island. Cariesy pulls his hand out of redneck's hand 1:02:10.320 --> 1:02:11.600 so fastive make your head spin. 1:02:11.720 --> 1:02:13.440 He's like, get your hands off of me. We're not 1:02:13.480 --> 1:02:14.320 friends anymore. 1:02:14.800 --> 1:02:17.360 And then Benson finally gets Dodds on the line and 1:02:17.400 --> 1:02:19.240 she's like, all right, we know where they're headed. 1:02:19.280 --> 1:02:21.760 We're headed to Wellesley Island or whatever. You guys come back. 1:02:22.400 --> 1:02:26.360 Lindsay and Dodds are driving in the dark rain on 1:02:26.400 --> 1:02:30.280 some you know, deserted country roads and he's like, all right, 1:02:30.320 --> 1:02:32.560 let's head back and Lindsay's like, no way, dude, I'm 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:34.360 not doing that. And he's like, come on, like, we 1:02:34.440 --> 1:02:36.240 gotta go back. That's what the boss said. I'm a 1:02:36.280 --> 1:02:38.800 daddy's boy and I do what I'm told. And she goes, well, 1:02:38.840 --> 1:02:40.560 I'll drop your ass at a rest stop because I'm 1:02:40.560 --> 1:02:43.520 not going like her mission is to find yates, you know. 1:02:44.080 --> 1:02:47.480 So then as they're arguing, they passed this little country 1:02:47.560 --> 1:02:51.439 road that goes off of the main road and there's 1:02:51.480 --> 1:02:54.120 a state trooper patrol car just stop there with the 1:02:54.240 --> 1:02:57.960 lights on the door to the car open. But they're like, 1:02:58.000 --> 1:02:59.920 there's not been any radio traffic that we've heard, so 1:03:00.120 --> 1:03:02.960 this is sketchy. So they pull up to the car. 1:03:03.320 --> 1:03:06.479 Dodds calls for backup. They approach the car, nobody's there. 1:03:07.000 --> 1:03:09.120 Then there's a pickup truck in front of it, like 1:03:09.200 --> 1:03:12.439 what the state trooper might have been pulling over. They 1:03:12.440 --> 1:03:15.080 find the state trooper on the ground, shot through the head, 1:03:15.120 --> 1:03:18.200 another body in you know, a trail of bodies behind Yates. 1:03:18.800 --> 1:03:21.400 Lindsey notices, oh, his gun is gone, and just as 1:03:21.400 --> 1:03:24.680 she's telling Dodds, shots ring out. Dodds gets hit. Lindsey 1:03:24.720 --> 1:03:28.240 decides to pursue Yeates like a fucking idiot. Dodds's like 1:03:28.280 --> 1:03:30.560 pistol or He's like stop, don't go, wait for backup. 1:03:30.600 --> 1:03:32.840 And now she's just alone in the woods with a 1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:36.000 serial killer, like I don't know why, Like you think 1:03:36.040 --> 1:03:38.080 that you're just better than this guy and you're gonna 1:03:38.080 --> 1:03:40.680 get him. He's quite good at what he does. She 1:03:40.920 --> 1:03:43.720 falls in the snow, drops her fucking gun. It's very 1:03:43.800 --> 1:03:46.320 terrifying because you're like, get the gun, and then she 1:03:46.400 --> 1:03:49.720 finds it. She then she sees this house in the 1:03:49.720 --> 1:03:52.680 woods with every single light on and she goes into 1:03:52.680 --> 1:03:54.760 the house like gun drawn, and there she sees a 1:03:54.760 --> 1:03:57.880 little girl hiding under a bed and she's like just 1:03:57.960 --> 1:03:59.880 you stay here, and the little girl's like my dad, 1:04:00.120 --> 1:04:02.360 and then she's like, just stay right here. When she 1:04:02.360 --> 1:04:05.920 hears the gunshot, Lindsay goes outside, Yates almost runs her 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:08.240 over with the truck. She shoots at him in the truck, 1:04:08.320 --> 1:04:10.840 but he gets away, and then she finds sadly the 1:04:10.840 --> 1:04:13.640 little girl's dad dead on the ground outside, and there's 1:04:13.680 --> 1:04:16.760 a note in his mouth and it says see you 1:04:16.840 --> 1:04:20.920 back home, Aaron, and Lindsey looks devastated. Her name is 1:04:20.920 --> 1:04:23.959 Aaron Lindsay just in case this is confusing, and that's 1:04:24.000 --> 1:04:27.440 dick wolf baby off of her devastated face. But of 1:04:27.520 --> 1:04:31.400 course we have to know. This is a fucking Chicago 1:04:31.440 --> 1:04:35.200 ped crossover, which I actually remember watching back in the day, 1:04:35.240 --> 1:04:38.280 because I remember being like on my TV like looking 1:04:38.360 --> 1:04:41.440 up Spectrum like on demand, trying to find Chicago p 1:04:41.560 --> 1:04:44.560 D because I don't really watch it and I just 1:04:44.600 --> 1:04:46.840 really wanted to see what had happened to this motherfucker. 1:04:46.840 --> 1:04:49.000 But I actually remember watching it, but I don't remember 1:04:49.080 --> 1:04:51.400 much of the episode. So the episode, if you want 1:04:51.400 --> 1:04:52.840 to go back and watch it, is called the Song 1:04:52.880 --> 1:04:57.160 of Gregory Yates, and basically, Yates heads back to Chicago 1:04:57.240 --> 1:05:00.160 to find his sister. Okay, he finds her apartment and 1:05:00.240 --> 1:05:02.520 he kills all of her roommates to our nurses, which 1:05:02.560 --> 1:05:05.920 is a clear reference to Ted Bundy, because Ted Bundy 1:05:05.960 --> 1:05:08.120 did kill a bunch of nurses at one point. And 1:05:08.200 --> 1:05:11.760 he eventually finds his sister a kidnaps her. At one point, 1:05:12.120 --> 1:05:14.960 he pays a homeless woman to deliver a box to 1:05:15.040 --> 1:05:17.080 the station which has a hand of one of the 1:05:17.120 --> 1:05:19.880 victims in it, which has another note in hold in 1:05:19.960 --> 1:05:22.680 like the hand of the victim, which is very like seven. 1:05:22.840 --> 1:05:26.600 It's very you know, serial killers taunting the police stuff. 1:05:27.120 --> 1:05:30.920 He breaks into Lindsay's apartment with his kidnapped sister in tow. 1:05:31.440 --> 1:05:35.120 Then he goes and finds his bio. He goes and 1:05:35.160 --> 1:05:38.960 finds his biological dad, attacks him, kidnaps him, lures Lindsay 1:05:39.040 --> 1:05:41.600 to where he is by threatening to kill his own dad. 1:05:41.960 --> 1:05:44.840 When she arrives, Yates has his father in a chair 1:05:44.960 --> 1:05:48.080 perched over the edge of a building, I guess, with 1:05:48.160 --> 1:05:49.360 a noose around his neck. 1:05:49.840 --> 1:05:52.280 And the guy like he honestly just. 1:05:52.320 --> 1:05:55.000 Keeps topping himself like the noose like this, listen like 1:05:55.080 --> 1:05:57.560 the he's like he's like a jigsaw over here with 1:05:57.560 --> 1:06:01.400 these different ideas. He ends up uh. He confesses all 1:06:01.440 --> 1:06:04.000 his crimes to Aaron. He starts taunting her more about 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:06.920 Nadia than he just kills his dad by pushing him 1:06:06.920 --> 1:06:09.280 over the edge and hanging him, and then he tries 1:06:09.320 --> 1:06:11.240 to go after Lindsay with an ice pick, so he's 1:06:11.320 --> 1:06:13.400 kind of doing like suicide by cop a little bit, 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:16.160 like he's he's attacking Lindsay because he wants her to 1:06:16.240 --> 1:06:20.720 kill him, and he taunts her like you're gonna be 1:06:20.720 --> 1:06:22.360 the one to tell my story. You're gonna kill me, 1:06:22.400 --> 1:06:24.320 and eventually she does. She kills him and shoots him 1:06:24.320 --> 1:06:28.200 in self defense. And that's the end of Gregory Yates 1:06:28.240 --> 1:06:31.760 in our Lives. So sorry, Rollins, you lost a friend. 1:06:32.480 --> 1:06:34.720 But that is that. 1:06:35.080 --> 1:06:37.560 And I know that you're gonna give us all the 1:06:37.640 --> 1:06:39.880 juice on the true crime because and I'm excited because 1:06:39.920 --> 1:06:48.440 I don't really know that much, all. 1:06:48.400 --> 1:06:54.160 Right, So I mean it's like frame by frame, I 1:06:54.200 --> 1:06:58.120 would say, it is, yeah, so exact, and like I 1:06:58.120 --> 1:07:01.479 can't even believe it, but this, and like you said, 1:07:01.520 --> 1:07:04.680 it was a famous mini series. People talk about this. 1:07:05.760 --> 1:07:07.400 I was in New York when it was happening, so 1:07:07.480 --> 1:07:10.200 it was on the news everywhere, Like I remembering, like, fuck, 1:07:10.240 --> 1:07:11.880 there's these two guys on the loose, Like I didn't 1:07:11.880 --> 1:07:13.160 think they were gonna come to New York City. I 1:07:13.200 --> 1:07:16.760 wasn't like worried really, but I was like, fuck, well 1:07:16.760 --> 1:07:17.440 because I forgot. 1:07:17.440 --> 1:07:19.280 But I was talking to someone and I was like 1:07:19.320 --> 1:07:22.120 talking about the the jail break one that I was 1:07:22.160 --> 1:07:25.600 watching on Netflix or Hulu or whatever, about the woman 1:07:25.880 --> 1:07:28.600 falling in love and driving off and stuff. And someone 1:07:28.680 --> 1:07:30.720 was like, oh, escape from Danamoora. And I was like no, 1:07:30.800 --> 1:07:32.160 and they're like, yeah, it is, and I'm like, no, 1:07:32.240 --> 1:07:36.680 it's not. Stuff I hate. I hate when people argue 1:07:36.720 --> 1:07:38.560 with me about things I know more than them. On 1:07:38.800 --> 1:07:43.120 it it's like, actually, it's fine. Makes me feel good. Anyways, 1:07:43.120 --> 1:07:47.400 the Clinton Correctional Facility escape, So i'll set the scene 1:07:47.560 --> 1:07:51.000 June sixth, twenty fifteen. Yeah, and this episode aired like 1:07:51.120 --> 1:07:53.640 not even a year later, and the New York State 1:07:53.680 --> 1:07:56.840 Police or the lead agency, and this massive manhunt for 1:07:56.920 --> 1:08:01.919 two escaped prisoners. Fifteen hundred law enforcement officers were used 1:08:01.960 --> 1:08:06.360 from twelve different state, local, and federal agencies, and it 1:08:06.400 --> 1:08:09.680 became the largest search in New York state history. And 1:08:10.040 --> 1:08:14.600 so Clinton Correctional Facility is in Dana Mora, which is 1:08:14.640 --> 1:08:18.200 a rural and very forested area and it's just south 1:08:18.240 --> 1:08:21.639 of the Canadian border, which is a crazy place for 1:08:21.720 --> 1:08:24.479 a prison, I would say on a border. But I 1:08:24.479 --> 1:08:26.639 think Canada would bring back the criminals, like I don't 1:08:26.640 --> 1:08:28.400 know why, like we got to get to Canada, like 1:08:28.479 --> 1:08:31.040 Canada would and be like, yeah, we're not helping you. 1:08:31.520 --> 1:08:33.439 I was thinking that same thing when I was like, 1:08:33.439 --> 1:08:35.439 why are all these serial killers and people always trying 1:08:35.439 --> 1:08:37.000 to get to Canada? They're going to give you back, 1:08:37.080 --> 1:08:39.120 Like we're in a good spot with Canada, you know. 1:08:39.320 --> 1:08:41.759 Like yeah, my big thing is like get a boat 1:08:41.880 --> 1:08:43.800 and go to an island, but I guess that's a 1:08:43.800 --> 1:08:47.400 big journey, but like go to international waters. Well, you 1:08:47.439 --> 1:08:48.480 know what's interesting. 1:08:49.320 --> 1:08:51.840 I just caught up on the whole new season of SVU, 1:08:51.880 --> 1:08:53.400 and I don't know if you've heard about the season. 1:08:53.439 --> 1:08:56.680 The fall finale is Careese gets kind of involved in 1:08:56.720 --> 1:09:00.280 a hold up in a bodega and the guy are 1:09:00.360 --> 1:09:02.800 like where can we go? And Kreese's telling them all 1:09:02.800 --> 1:09:05.599 the places they can go that don't have extradition. So 1:09:05.680 --> 1:09:09.160 like these guys were thinking, they were like where can 1:09:09.200 --> 1:09:11.160 we go where we won't get step back? And he's 1:09:11.160 --> 1:09:13.760 like he's telling them the name of like the Solomon Islands, 1:09:13.760 --> 1:09:15.760 like places we've never even fucking heard of that are 1:09:15.760 --> 1:09:17.559 places that won't extradite to the US. 1:09:18.160 --> 1:09:24.599 So so wild. It's like baby Australia's are being born everywhere. Yeah, 1:09:25.200 --> 1:09:29.080 towns of criminals. So the guy's names are Richard Matt 1:09:29.160 --> 1:09:30.320 and David Sweat. 1:09:31.320 --> 1:09:34.080 But oh my god, yes, what I just remember the 1:09:34.160 --> 1:09:35.080 name David Sweat. 1:09:35.120 --> 1:09:37.320 I remember the name David Sweat. It sounds like a 1:09:37.320 --> 1:09:42.200 pop star for in the Substance Universe. Yeah. Yeah. And 1:09:42.200 --> 1:09:45.320 then Richard Matt is confusing because Matt is a first name, 1:09:45.439 --> 1:09:49.920 so it's but whatever, Matt and Sweat they are both 1:09:49.960 --> 1:09:52.720 serving time for murder. So Matt was serving twenty five 1:09:52.800 --> 1:09:54.920 years to life because he kidnapped and beat a man 1:09:54.960 --> 1:09:59.080 to death in nineteen ninety seven. This was his former employer, 1:09:59.320 --> 1:10:03.040 a seventy six year old man, and Matt fucking tortured 1:10:03.120 --> 1:10:05.000 him and chopped up his body with a hack saw. 1:10:05.240 --> 1:10:09.040 So not good. And then Sweat was serving life after 1:10:09.080 --> 1:10:12.200 being convicted of killing a broom. I wonder if it 1:10:12.240 --> 1:10:15.799 was Boom, but Broome County Sheriff's deputy in two thousand 1:10:15.800 --> 1:10:18.479 and two, when he was twenty three years old, and 1:10:18.640 --> 1:10:21.839 it does confuse me, like life and no chancefer pearol 1:10:21.880 --> 1:10:23.800 with chance of Pearl, Like I wonder why Matt got 1:10:23.840 --> 1:10:25.880 twenty five to life and this guy just has life. 1:10:26.240 --> 1:10:29.679 I literally just look this up for the other episode 1:10:29.680 --> 1:10:34.280 that we're about to record. Capital murder is like first 1:10:34.320 --> 1:10:39.840 degree murder, but you capital murder includes killing multiple people, killing, 1:10:39.920 --> 1:10:44.639 law enforcement killing, and with capital murder, there's no chancefer pearl. 1:10:45.000 --> 1:10:49.240 Okay, great, yeah, we got that. We got that answered quick. 1:10:50.120 --> 1:10:54.960 And obviously, you know, him murdering the deputy made me 1:10:55.000 --> 1:10:58.240 think of the Bob Marley song that I don't understand 1:10:58.479 --> 1:11:02.839 never will. Okay, you know you're still serving life, babe. 1:11:02.960 --> 1:11:06.160 So but yeah, they also don't look like friends, like 1:11:06.200 --> 1:11:09.280 if you see their photos, they look very different. And 1:11:09.320 --> 1:11:13.160 so I'm I'm so curious about their relationship. And there 1:11:13.280 --> 1:11:16.120 is a whole report. So it's very the Fox and 1:11:16.160 --> 1:11:21.599 the Hound according to a twenty sixteen report. And I'm 1:11:21.600 --> 1:11:23.719 gonna talk about this report a lot and then I'll 1:11:24.560 --> 1:11:26.080 i'll let you know where to find it. But it 1:11:26.120 --> 1:11:28.200 was like a giant report that had to be made 1:11:28.240 --> 1:11:33.760 because they fuck up so much. I just I'll get 1:11:33.800 --> 1:11:37.639 into it because I also just like there's something about 1:11:37.720 --> 1:11:40.400 a prison escape that we love or I love yeah 1:11:40.479 --> 1:11:45.160 as as a person. And they're bad people, but and 1:11:45.360 --> 1:11:47.360 you know it's risky they you know, what they could 1:11:47.360 --> 1:11:50.160 do to others out and about, but there's always like 1:11:50.160 --> 1:11:53.839 something you cheer for where you're like, get out of there. Yeah, totally. 1:11:54.000 --> 1:11:56.519 Have you ever seen escape from Alcatraz? Like there's like 1:11:57.040 --> 1:12:00.840 so many like just the clever like ways that they 1:12:00.920 --> 1:12:03.040 because they've got nothing but time to think about. 1:12:02.800 --> 1:12:05.559 How to get out, you know. Yeah, it's kind of 1:12:05.600 --> 1:12:07.640 like when you're on Survivor that all they do is 1:12:07.640 --> 1:12:10.160 talk about the foods they want to eat yea when 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:14.200 they leave. So they are very different. And this report 1:12:15.040 --> 1:12:17.559 was used in all my sources. They used it as 1:12:17.600 --> 1:12:20.160 a source, but this is for ABC News that Sweat 1:12:20.200 --> 1:12:24.160 was very very self sufficient in always and then Matt 1:12:24.240 --> 1:12:28.360 was sociable and gregarious and their friendship blossom between Matt 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:31.920 and Sweat in about twenty ten when they're housing overlapped 1:12:32.000 --> 1:12:36.080 the prison area on the Honor Block and like in 1:12:36.120 --> 1:12:39.839 the episode, it's a special section for well behaved inmates 1:12:39.880 --> 1:12:43.160 that let prisoners remain out of their cells for most 1:12:43.160 --> 1:12:46.520 of the day and have special jobs like assisting plumbers 1:12:46.560 --> 1:12:51.360 and electricians. And this is from a former inmate as 1:12:51.400 --> 1:12:55.760 a source for ABC News. But it's very odds, you 1:12:55.760 --> 1:12:58.479 know what I mean. Like yeah, and the fact that 1:12:58.520 --> 1:13:01.160 there's pods and they're hanging out in this little community. 1:13:01.360 --> 1:13:03.800 It's like I remember watching Oz being like, well this 1:13:03.880 --> 1:13:08.040 isn't real and it is okay. So and then they 1:13:08.040 --> 1:13:12.160 had differences in age and personality, but they had one 1:13:12.200 --> 1:13:18.480 shared interest art. Yeah, they were painters. They were painters. 1:13:18.680 --> 1:13:22.880 Matt was like an incredible painter. Incredible Matt was the painter, 1:13:23.560 --> 1:13:29.760 and Sweat was very inspired and also began painting. So so, yeah, 1:13:29.760 --> 1:13:31.880 they loved art. And I saw one of the paintings 1:13:31.880 --> 1:13:34.640 and it's two dogs, a Boston Terrier and a Pomeranian 1:13:34.720 --> 1:13:37.960 and they're so fucking cute. I could see myself buying 1:13:37.960 --> 1:13:41.880 these paintings. But I'm gonna be buying a murderer's art, 1:13:41.960 --> 1:13:45.720 like I know it. And then yes, so Sweat was 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:48.559 very inspired and he took up painting and drawing and 1:13:48.600 --> 1:13:53.559 developed his art skills. And Sweat had a beautiful painting. 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:56.679 It was a house with trees, the sky and clouds 1:13:56.720 --> 1:13:58.960 are a great color. There's a little bridge, the water 1:13:59.120 --> 1:14:02.360 like inter of art. They really were crushing it. And 1:14:02.400 --> 1:14:04.800 these guys vibed and they were able to use the 1:14:04.840 --> 1:14:08.599 paintings and drawings as prison currency with the prison staff 1:14:08.960 --> 1:14:11.639 and they would give really really cheap prices. So obviously 1:14:11.640 --> 1:14:14.840 they can like use people later for these paintings. And 1:14:14.880 --> 1:14:17.280 then the Simpson this also, well, it reminds me because 1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:19.200 it's like, yeah, some people only do nice things so 1:14:19.240 --> 1:14:22.280 they can like use you later, and that's definitely true 1:14:22.320 --> 1:14:26.000 in prison, and it just reminds me of fat Tony 1:14:26.040 --> 1:14:29.360 in the Mob in the Simpsons and uh the Pretzel episode. 1:14:29.439 --> 1:14:32.439 If anyone wants a fun time, a fun time of 1:14:32.520 --> 1:14:36.400 don't don't take, don't take, uh, don't take things from 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:40.320 you know, the mob or prisoners, they're gonna they're gonna 1:14:40.320 --> 1:14:44.240 want something. And so it's so but twenty eleven, Matt's 1:14:44.320 --> 1:14:47.680 kicked out of the block and Sweat would send him 1:14:47.720 --> 1:14:51.840 gifts of tobacco, rolling papers, food, and that really solidified 1:14:51.840 --> 1:14:56.160 their friendship in a real way. And uh so now 1:14:56.200 --> 1:15:00.479 it's twenty fifteen, Matt's back on Honor Block and him 1:15:00.479 --> 1:15:04.559 and Sweat are housed in adjacent cells and they use 1:15:04.680 --> 1:15:08.120 power tools to cut through concrete walls steel piping that 1:15:08.200 --> 1:15:11.880 gave them access to underground tunnels. They then followed the 1:15:11.920 --> 1:15:15.479 tunnels under the exterior walls of the prison and to 1:15:15.560 --> 1:15:18.080 the street outside. And of course that had help. Like 1:15:18.120 --> 1:15:20.320 I said, they have their own little Bronwyn. It's a 1:15:20.320 --> 1:15:26.759 prison worker, Joyce Mitchell. And Joyce Mitchell was seduced by Sweat. 1:15:27.200 --> 1:15:30.720 And she was also the and guess what her job was. 1:15:31.040 --> 1:15:34.640 She was the prison tailor. What a twist. They have 1:15:34.680 --> 1:15:37.439 a tailor. They had a whole tailor shop. And there's 1:15:37.479 --> 1:15:39.600 so much about the tailor's shop. I can't wait to 1:15:39.760 --> 1:15:42.800 like fully get into everything. But she loved Sweat. There's 1:15:42.840 --> 1:15:45.600 all these letters she secretly sent to him that were recovered, 1:15:45.720 --> 1:15:47.479 and there's proof that she had sex with him in 1:15:47.520 --> 1:15:50.519 the tailor shop. This is a known thing of you know, 1:15:50.600 --> 1:15:53.280 prisoners grooming prison staff. Like I said, they're not just 1:15:53.400 --> 1:15:57.559 painting you paintings for fun, Like these are criminals. And 1:15:57.600 --> 1:16:00.160 it's and there's a name. There's a hip name for 1:16:00.240 --> 1:16:04.439 it called downing the Duck and it's to get special duck. 1:16:05.240 --> 1:16:10.360 Yeah cool, right, Yeah, Like I wonder, I know, but 1:16:10.400 --> 1:16:12.920 I wonder if we if we like walked into prison 1:16:12.960 --> 1:16:15.080 trying to use it if we'd be like, you know, 1:16:15.120 --> 1:16:18.439 mister Burns pretending to be young, like like, you can't 1:16:18.479 --> 1:16:21.080 just use downing the duck. I think I think they 1:16:21.080 --> 1:16:24.000 would know that were you know, it's not for us 1:16:24.680 --> 1:16:27.120 because of you know, the attention she got, she liked it, 1:16:27.160 --> 1:16:29.559 and the fucking she would give them food in the shop, 1:16:30.000 --> 1:16:32.479 She would make calls to Matt's daughter for him, and 1:16:32.560 --> 1:16:36.800 smuggled in personal items, not just escape materials. And she 1:16:37.000 --> 1:16:39.080 was married to another person who worked at the prison 1:16:39.120 --> 1:16:43.680 this whole time. He was an industrial training supervisor. So 1:16:43.800 --> 1:16:47.160 her husband is there at the prison and she's bringing 1:16:47.200 --> 1:16:52.880 Matt cookies, cakes, prepared meals, venison, biscuits. I mean, if 1:16:52.920 --> 1:16:57.600 my spouse is bringing someone venison, like I have questions. Yeah, 1:16:57.640 --> 1:17:00.679 And then another inmate said to ABC News at one time, 1:17:00.800 --> 1:17:05.040 Mitchell gave Sweat a big Mac from McDonald's. I can't 1:17:05.120 --> 1:17:08.240 even believe how good that tasted on the inside, Like, 1:17:08.320 --> 1:17:12.679 I can't believe what having a loose big mac from 1:17:12.720 --> 1:17:16.320 the outside it feels like when you're in your serving life, 1:17:16.400 --> 1:17:20.400 Like I totally. Yeah. She also did have two children, 1:17:20.560 --> 1:17:22.400 so she really put out a lot on the line, 1:17:22.800 --> 1:17:25.680 and she was having sex with Matt providing Sweat with 1:17:25.800 --> 1:17:29.360 nudes and then Matt led Joyce into believing they were 1:17:29.400 --> 1:17:33.600 in love, but still like she's double timing both of 1:17:33.600 --> 1:17:35.840 them anyways, Like they're both using her. But she's just 1:17:35.840 --> 1:17:38.720 like a giant whore within the prison system too. And 1:17:38.800 --> 1:17:42.080 she told NBC News, I enjoyed the attention, the feeling 1:17:42.120 --> 1:17:44.320 both of them gave me, and the thought of a 1:17:44.360 --> 1:17:48.840 different life like life in prison. It's just it's it's wild. 1:17:48.880 --> 1:17:51.280 So ABC News reports that she agreed to flee with 1:17:51.360 --> 1:17:54.519 Sweat and Matt and help them get guns, ammunition, camping 1:17:54.560 --> 1:17:58.160 gear and a compass, hack, saw blades, chisels and other tools, 1:17:58.200 --> 1:18:01.439 and she snuck them in and frozen hamburger meat, which 1:18:01.439 --> 1:18:05.479 a guard later gave to the inmates, like like, how 1:18:05.520 --> 1:18:07.679 do they hold frozen meat? Do they have to cook 1:18:07.720 --> 1:18:09.080 it right away? Like on a window? 1:18:09.160 --> 1:18:13.479 Like why are we giving a frozen Yeah, but they 1:18:13.520 --> 1:18:15.800 have a sense it's a pre k it's a pre 1:18:15.880 --> 1:18:16.559 cooked item. 1:18:16.640 --> 1:18:21.000 What is frozen meat? Yeah? And they use the tools, 1:18:21.040 --> 1:18:23.200 obviously to cut through the back of their cells, then 1:18:23.200 --> 1:18:26.320 a brick wall into a steam pipe. They slithered through 1:18:26.600 --> 1:18:29.960 and emerged outside the walls through a manhole, so like 1:18:30.200 --> 1:18:31.280 very svo. 1:18:31.080 --> 1:18:32.840 But they must have had to do the same thing 1:18:32.840 --> 1:18:34.720 of like knowing when the steam pipe was going to 1:18:34.760 --> 1:18:36.240 be off or on, because it's like if you get 1:18:36.240 --> 1:18:38.599 caught in a steam pipe, like you're gonna you'll burn 1:18:38.680 --> 1:18:39.400 up like that. 1:18:39.560 --> 1:18:41.680 Yeah, now that like I had that incident with my 1:18:41.800 --> 1:18:44.400 radiator where like the nozzle went off and the steam 1:18:44.479 --> 1:18:47.120 was just pushing through it hurt. It was so hot 1:18:47.160 --> 1:18:53.040 and like intense, Like I did keep thinking about burning, yeah, 1:18:53.200 --> 1:18:55.639 and one of the steam pipes. That was going through 1:18:55.640 --> 1:18:59.120 my mind a lot. And then they left behind clothing 1:18:59.160 --> 1:19:00.960 in their beds, so it look like they were there 1:19:01.040 --> 1:19:06.160 so very tgif very teen sneaking out situation. And I 1:19:06.240 --> 1:19:09.320 saw the photos of the clothing, like the dummies they 1:19:09.360 --> 1:19:12.479 made in the bed and it did you know, it's 1:19:12.560 --> 1:19:15.559 passable enough and they are smart. So at eleven PM 1:19:15.720 --> 1:19:18.760 there's night checks and then they put their dummies. But 1:19:18.800 --> 1:19:22.640 then there's like the whole point of the searches is 1:19:22.720 --> 1:19:25.799 you have to see skin, and none of the people 1:19:25.880 --> 1:19:27.920 saw skin, but they're like, oh, they're in their beds. 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:32.000 So the casual searches of the episode are the casual 1:19:32.080 --> 1:19:35.760 searches of this case and not today. I can't believe 1:19:35.760 --> 1:19:38.719 we're bringing up Ferris Bueller again, but yes, very Ferris 1:19:38.760 --> 1:19:43.559 Bueller leaving your dummies after the night Watch and to 1:19:43.680 --> 1:19:44.200 plan for the. 1:19:44.560 --> 1:19:47.479 Escape from Alcatraz as well. In escape from Alcatraz, he 1:19:47.600 --> 1:19:50.559 makes a full plaster mold of his head and paints 1:19:50.560 --> 1:19:51.240 it and everything. 1:19:51.680 --> 1:19:54.840 Yeah wow, and like okay, like you said, they have 1:19:54.880 --> 1:19:57.280 to like study all this, So Sweat climbed out of 1:19:57.280 --> 1:20:01.400 his cell over eighty five times to like dig the things, 1:20:01.520 --> 1:20:04.200 do the things that go through it all, and that 1:20:04.439 --> 1:20:06.200 in all of this time, that means there was four 1:20:06.280 --> 1:20:10.640 hundred required checks and no one was ever able to 1:20:10.720 --> 1:20:15.559 catch him. Wrote like Bill, sawing through the prison walls. 1:20:15.600 --> 1:20:19.360 He eighty five times. And so then there's notes. So 1:20:19.360 --> 1:20:22.040 they left little notes. So one of them it said 1:20:22.280 --> 1:20:24.639 have a nice day, exclamation point, and then it had 1:20:24.640 --> 1:20:28.479 a racist caricature of an Asian man. So whatever you're thinking, 1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:31.439 that's what it looked like. And Sweat said that the 1:20:31.560 --> 1:20:33.720 drawing was given to him by another inmate a few 1:20:33.800 --> 1:20:36.320 days before, but he just wrote have a nice day. 1:20:36.680 --> 1:20:39.840 And then Matt left some notes too. One he wrote, 1:20:39.880 --> 1:20:41.960 you left me to no choice but to grow old 1:20:41.960 --> 1:20:44.160 and die in here. I had to do something six 1:20:44.360 --> 1:20:48.799 five fifteen, never changed, stay the same, have a good summer, 1:20:49.040 --> 1:20:53.600 like so funny to date it hags And also a 1:20:53.720 --> 1:20:57.280 note on his painting of Tony Soprano that he did 1:20:57.880 --> 1:21:00.360 and on it he wrote time to Go Kid, six 1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:04.960 five fifteen. The whole escape took an hour, but the 1:21:05.000 --> 1:21:07.640 plan did get drailed. So you're like, okay, Like, so 1:21:07.680 --> 1:21:10.160 you're just gonna run in the wood again the fugitive 1:21:10.200 --> 1:21:12.479 I brought it up, like yeah, so it's like you're 1:21:12.479 --> 1:21:14.200 just gonna run in the woods, Like it doesn't seem 1:21:14.240 --> 1:21:15.680 worth it. Like in my head, I'm like, at least 1:21:15.760 --> 1:21:18.479 you're here on Honor Block, Like is it worth trying 1:21:18.520 --> 1:21:20.679 to escape in the woods? Like that doesn't make sense 1:21:20.720 --> 1:21:24.160 to me, But it is because Joyce Mitchell was supposed 1:21:24.200 --> 1:21:27.519 to meet them with a getaway car. If you don't 1:21:27.520 --> 1:21:30.439 think that's Taylor Swift coated, I don't know what to 1:21:30.479 --> 1:21:34.200 tell you. But she didn't show up. She had cold 1:21:34.200 --> 1:21:36.839 feet and she decided not to. Obviously it's a sliding 1:21:36.840 --> 1:21:39.479 door moment, like what could have happened. But the plan 1:21:39.600 --> 1:21:42.320 was to drive to Mexico, which also seems so hard. 1:21:42.400 --> 1:21:43.559 Get a boat, go to an island. 1:21:43.600 --> 1:21:45.759 See want tona Ho. That's the whole point of shosh 1:21:45.760 --> 1:21:48.879 anng retemption. They want to go to Zeewat Naho in Mexico. 1:21:49.360 --> 1:21:52.599 Oh yeah, and so, but Joyce was safe. 1:21:52.680 --> 1:21:54.840 So she actually checked herself into a hospital with a 1:21:54.840 --> 1:21:57.320 case of the nerves and claiming that she had chest pain. 1:21:57.720 --> 1:22:00.920 And this for sure saved her life. Like they would 1:22:00.960 --> 1:22:04.080 have killed her eventually, you know what I mean. Yeah, Okay, 1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:08.439 so they escape, they are gone for twenty two days. 1:22:10.160 --> 1:22:15.559 That is humiliating. You have fifteen hundred officers and it 1:22:15.600 --> 1:22:18.400 took you that long. I just think that's so embarrassing. 1:22:18.960 --> 1:22:21.960 Like ABC News quoted someone that said it's a portrait 1:22:22.000 --> 1:22:25.040 of a broken prison system, and officials said both men 1:22:25.120 --> 1:22:28.240 took advantage of it to stage this escape. And it's like, no, 1:22:28.320 --> 1:22:31.560 you're bad at your jobs, Like this isn't a systemic 1:22:31.680 --> 1:22:35.000 it like there's issues within the prison system and it's 1:22:35.000 --> 1:22:38.040 mostly how we treat prisoners and like that it's private visites, 1:22:38.200 --> 1:22:41.360 Like I like, this isn't part of a broken prison. 1:22:41.560 --> 1:22:44.040 You guys weren't doing your searches and you let someone 1:22:44.080 --> 1:22:46.800 take let out of their cell eighty five times, like 1:22:46.920 --> 1:22:49.680 it is wild to me that they think it's like 1:22:49.720 --> 1:22:52.800 systemic when it's like, no, your your prison sucks. You 1:22:52.840 --> 1:22:54.080 would think like once. 1:22:53.840 --> 1:22:56.680 A week there'd be like a full sweep of your 1:22:56.720 --> 1:23:00.000 cell to make sure no holes or whatever are being. 1:23:00.080 --> 1:23:01.840 Oh my god, it's gonna get better and better. I 1:23:01.840 --> 1:23:05.160 can't wait. Okay. So, and I think that's why we 1:23:05.439 --> 1:23:08.120 cheer on prison breaks. It's because it is embarrassing to 1:23:08.160 --> 1:23:11.280 the like all to the system. Okay, but you know 1:23:11.320 --> 1:23:13.799 it is a whole community is scared. They're in their homes. 1:23:13.800 --> 1:23:16.560 They're like uh oh, and people are forced out of 1:23:16.560 --> 1:23:18.840 their homes so searches can happen. Also told not to 1:23:18.960 --> 1:23:22.280 leave their house. Also, like what if they're hiding in 1:23:22.320 --> 1:23:25.599 your home? It is all very very cleick. Yeah. It 1:23:25.640 --> 1:23:29.320 costs so the overtime for the cops alone New York State, 1:23:29.360 --> 1:23:33.960 it costs twenty three million dollars. WHOA. And it's like 1:23:34.160 --> 1:23:38.040 it's your own fucking failures. So all the failures. So 1:23:39.000 --> 1:23:43.080 they failed to search bags of employees brought into the facility, 1:23:43.479 --> 1:23:47.639 they skipped prisoner accounts, they skipped cell searches, and even 1:23:47.640 --> 1:23:50.679 when they did search they were hasty. So Matt's cell 1:23:50.840 --> 1:23:54.400 was searched March twenty first, twenty fifteen, and they failed 1:23:54.479 --> 1:23:57.400 to detect an eighteen and a half inch hole in 1:23:57.479 --> 1:24:00.439 the rear wall of the cell. That and the the 1:24:00.439 --> 1:24:03.839 whole cell is only forty eight square feet. Oh my god. 1:24:04.600 --> 1:24:06.600 So there was like a hole during the search and 1:24:06.680 --> 1:24:09.639 no one ever saw it, And supervisors also knew about 1:24:09.640 --> 1:24:12.799 Mitchell's weird relationship with them, and no action was ever taken. 1:24:13.280 --> 1:24:16.640 Like colleagues and supervisors called out Mitchell for her chumminess 1:24:16.680 --> 1:24:19.720 at the start of twenty twelve, like a lot of 1:24:19.720 --> 1:24:21.680 people had to retire. So even after all of this, 1:24:21.880 --> 1:24:25.160 seven other prison employees resigned or retired because they fucking 1:24:25.200 --> 1:24:27.200 knew shit was going down and didn't stop it. 1:24:28.360 --> 1:24:31.599 So she cocked her husband pretty bad, huh, Like at work, 1:24:31.880 --> 1:24:34.000 Come on, man, that's humiliating for him. 1:24:34.000 --> 1:24:37.080 Crazier it gets easier. I'm like' so what I mean? 1:24:37.200 --> 1:24:40.679 I mean, obviously these people are murderers, but it's hard 1:24:40.720 --> 1:24:42.439 not to like, like, I mean, it is an easy 1:24:42.479 --> 1:24:45.400 day in the office for us personally, like in terms 1:24:45.400 --> 1:24:49.360 of cases like this is right nice, you know, yeah, 1:24:49.400 --> 1:24:51.160 so you know, two and a half weeks go by 1:24:51.800 --> 1:24:54.639 June twenty six, police get reports of shots fire near 1:24:55.040 --> 1:24:58.599 Route thirty and a driver of an RVs had bullet 1:24:58.600 --> 1:25:01.439 holes inside of his camper. So then there's a sighting 1:25:01.479 --> 1:25:05.640 of Richard Matt, crazy name. So there's a sighting of 1:25:05.720 --> 1:25:09.160 Richard Matt in the woods and US Customs tactical team 1:25:09.280 --> 1:25:12.639 confront him and there's a shootout and Matt is killed sadly, 1:25:12.760 --> 1:25:15.120 so there is there is death. He was surrounded by 1:25:15.160 --> 1:25:18.759 police near Elephant's Head, about fifty miles from the prison, 1:25:19.200 --> 1:25:21.400 and the day they found him was because okay, so 1:25:22.240 --> 1:25:25.000 you know, they get they get people calling in, they 1:25:25.040 --> 1:25:27.519 know he's around. But he had a gun, and he 1:25:27.640 --> 1:25:29.519 was in a normal position and he could have caught 1:25:29.600 --> 1:25:33.840 but he coughed. He coughed. Oh no, that's what gave 1:25:33.920 --> 1:25:36.760 up his position. He coughed, and there are tons of 1:25:37.479 --> 1:25:40.400 border people. Matt was armed with a twenty gage shotgun, 1:25:40.520 --> 1:25:43.200 laying in the woods, aiming at the agent's post. Cough. 1:25:43.200 --> 1:25:45.040 They're like, put down your weapons, put your hands up. 1:25:45.080 --> 1:25:47.320 He did not comply, so he was shot and killed. 1:25:48.040 --> 1:25:50.479 But from that was set up the perimeter to find 1:25:50.520 --> 1:25:55.120 his friend's Sweat. So once Sweat's friend was dead, like 1:25:55.800 --> 1:25:59.320 Sweat would only travel at night avoid locals, and he 1:25:59.400 --> 1:26:02.400 shaved his face, but he did make a mistake. He 1:26:02.520 --> 1:26:04.559 was becoming anxious, so he decided to move in the 1:26:04.640 --> 1:26:08.240 daylight and then was spotted. So, I mean, who knows 1:26:08.240 --> 1:26:10.719 if you just waited for nighttime what could have happened. 1:26:10.720 --> 1:26:12.760 But the cop I mean fifteen hundred cops were in 1:26:12.760 --> 1:26:16.240 the area and the border Canada US teams too, So 1:26:16.280 --> 1:26:19.240 it's I can't imagine this. They're just like in wilderness 1:26:19.280 --> 1:26:22.839 the whole time. Yeah, well there's towns. I think it's rural, 1:26:22.960 --> 1:26:25.760 you know, but like, yeah, but that's why you can't 1:26:25.760 --> 1:26:28.559 be in there in the day because I'm assuming small 1:26:28.600 --> 1:26:31.840 town where people know of each other, like yeah, even 1:26:32.680 --> 1:26:37.120 my god. Yeah. So two days after Matt finally, June 1:26:37.160 --> 1:26:39.519 twenty eighth, a sergeant with the State Police observes a 1:26:39.600 --> 1:26:42.519 dude walking in a field close to the Canadian border, 1:26:42.520 --> 1:26:44.800 which ended up being David Sweat. He was shot in 1:26:44.840 --> 1:26:47.080 the torso and brought into custody. He was only a 1:26:47.080 --> 1:26:49.720 mile and a half from the Canadian border. Oh, he 1:26:49.760 --> 1:26:53.280 was close. He was. He was not armed when found 1:26:53.360 --> 1:26:55.559 and he did try to run though, and that's why 1:26:55.560 --> 1:27:01.160 he got shot. Joyce aka Bronwin aka the prison Hoe. 1:27:01.720 --> 1:27:05.160 She was convicted for providing material support to the prisoners. 1:27:05.280 --> 1:27:08.000 She was fifty three years old and obviously like she 1:27:08.040 --> 1:27:11.240 was manipulated by these people, Like you know, she's not. 1:27:12.560 --> 1:27:14.599 I mean, I'm making fun of her, but I'm sure 1:27:14.600 --> 1:27:17.080 she's a victim of something. But she fucked up. Sorry, 1:27:17.720 --> 1:27:22.200 she pled guilty. She pled guilty for promoting prison contraband 1:27:22.200 --> 1:27:25.200 in the first degree and then criminal facilitation in the 1:27:25.240 --> 1:27:28.200 fourth degree. She was sentenced to two and a half 1:27:28.280 --> 1:27:31.439 to eight years in September twenty fifteen, an order to 1:27:31.439 --> 1:27:34.799 pay also eighty thousand dollars in restitution for damages incurred 1:27:34.880 --> 1:27:37.600 during the escape. She did tell the judge if she 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:40.679 could take it all back, she would, so that's staby. 1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:42.960 She news she does regret it. She said it was 1:27:43.080 --> 1:27:46.400 the biggest mistake she's ever made. She was denied parole 1:27:46.479 --> 1:27:48.800 in February twenty seventeen because the board said she was 1:27:48.840 --> 1:27:55.080 emotionally unstable and easily manipulated. Yikes. Mitchell was released from 1:27:55.120 --> 1:27:59.680 prison in February twenty twenty Wow write in time for 1:28:00.200 --> 1:28:04.519 COVID crazy after serving five years at Bedford Hill's correctional 1:28:04.520 --> 1:28:07.360 facility in Westchester County. New this is close to where 1:28:07.360 --> 1:28:07.840 I grew up. 1:28:07.920 --> 1:28:10.559 That's only like twenty five minutes from where I grew 1:28:10.600 --> 1:28:11.880 up twenty or thirty. 1:28:12.240 --> 1:28:14.360 Yeah, we have a lot of prisons, I guess in 1:28:14.400 --> 1:28:19.559 the tri state situation. She was also then supervised in 1:28:19.600 --> 1:28:23.000 Franklin County until June twenty twenty two. She also had 1:28:23.000 --> 1:28:25.439 to give up her teaching certificate. Maybe she was a 1:28:25.479 --> 1:28:29.080 tailor teacher, but the plea deal, she needs to know, 1:28:29.479 --> 1:28:32.920 not teach anyone anything. She went back to her house 1:28:32.960 --> 1:28:37.759 that she shared with her husband, and Lyle Mitchell visited 1:28:37.800 --> 1:28:41.000 his wife every other weekend. Throughout her sentence. 1:28:41.400 --> 1:28:44.320 Oh maybe he like knew that she was just such 1:28:44.360 --> 1:28:46.800 a suggestible person and like felt bad for her, like 1:28:46.840 --> 1:28:49.799 because she got manipulated because she just doesn't have any. 1:28:51.320 --> 1:28:56.439 I don't know. Oh Man anyway, So now Sweat almost 1:28:56.520 --> 1:28:59.479 right away after being captured, started bragging to the cops. 1:28:59.479 --> 1:29:01.800 He's like, this was all my idea. But his friend 1:29:01.880 --> 1:29:06.760 is dead, so we don't actually know anything, Like his 1:29:06.880 --> 1:29:10.360 friend in cohort is dead, and so this gossip he 1:29:10.520 --> 1:29:13.360 just started chatting. So a lot of what comes after 1:29:13.400 --> 1:29:17.200 this is like what he's told us, which I don't 1:29:17.240 --> 1:29:19.000 know if it's true or not. But because he was 1:29:19.040 --> 1:29:22.800 already serving life in prison. Now he's serving life at 1:29:22.800 --> 1:29:27.560 the Five Points Correctional Facility, and you know Max Security 1:29:27.600 --> 1:29:29.599 in Romulus, New York, which is two hundred and eighty 1:29:29.640 --> 1:29:32.679 miles south of Clinton. And it's like you fool. Now 1:29:32.720 --> 1:29:36.439 he's in solitary confinement twenty three hours a day. Like 1:29:36.479 --> 1:29:39.479 you were getting big Max, you were getting nudes. You 1:29:39.520 --> 1:29:45.040 were walking around painting, Like what a fucking idiot? Like yeah, 1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:47.120 even with the car. But I guess freedom, I mean 1:29:47.160 --> 1:29:50.400 I can't. I can't speak for his killers. A spokesperson 1:29:50.439 --> 1:29:52.439 for New York State Department of Correction set in a 1:29:52.479 --> 1:29:55.600 report to the intelligence sir, which is like a New 1:29:55.680 --> 1:29:58.880 York magazine part. The department has put in place a 1:29:58.960 --> 1:30:03.040 number of reforms that Clinton, including installing new cameras, security gates, 1:30:03.120 --> 1:30:05.680 retraining and disciplining staff to make sure this does not 1:30:05.800 --> 1:30:09.080 happen again. The upgrades to the prison and like to 1:30:09.160 --> 1:30:12.160 repair the damage cost five hundred and seventy three thousand dollars. 1:30:12.360 --> 1:30:15.040 But like I said, this report, I mean, this place 1:30:15.200 --> 1:30:17.600 was wild. I don't know what's going down in the 1:30:17.600 --> 1:30:20.320 tailor shop, like I said, But another worker Denise Prow 1:30:20.479 --> 1:30:24.720 was arrested in twenty seventeen for an unlawful romantic relationship 1:30:24.840 --> 1:30:27.680 that included kissing and fondling on at least three occasions. 1:30:28.160 --> 1:30:30.240 So I think, like the tailor shop is just like 1:30:30.439 --> 1:30:33.320 cool women and there's freedom and they're just fucking in there. 1:30:33.880 --> 1:30:37.240 She this woman was making deposits and inmates prison accounts. 1:30:37.680 --> 1:30:40.880 She paid off his debts for him, and she was 1:30:41.200 --> 1:30:44.639 found out. She pled guilty to twenty five misdemeanor counts, 1:30:44.680 --> 1:30:49.040 including promoting prison contraband, sexual abuse, and official misconduct. So 1:30:49.080 --> 1:30:51.880 that you can watch this movie or mini series if 1:30:51.920 --> 1:30:55.599 you want. And so Patricia Kett won the Golden Globe 1:30:55.640 --> 1:31:00.839 SAG and Critics Choice, Stiller won the Director's guilda too, 1:31:01.320 --> 1:31:03.799 And it was nominated for seven Emmys. And it's Benisio 1:31:03.880 --> 1:31:08.400 del Toro and Paul Dano played the other guy, which 1:31:08.439 --> 1:31:10.680 makes sense. Once you see the photos go on her 1:31:10.680 --> 1:31:13.360 instell we'll put it. They'll be photos of them and 1:31:13.520 --> 1:31:18.519 like and sweat is Vanicio? Yeah, Okay, No, I always 1:31:18.520 --> 1:31:21.960 actually fuck it up. They look opposite. It looks it's 1:31:21.960 --> 1:31:24.280 truly the Fox and the Hound. It's like, how were 1:31:24.320 --> 1:31:27.920 they friends? Obviously art brought them together. But and then 1:31:27.960 --> 1:31:30.120 because each time I was like, wait, which one, which 1:31:30.200 --> 1:31:30.719 one's which? 1:31:32.760 --> 1:31:36.080 Oh yeah, it's the opposite. Okay, it's the opposite, And 1:31:37.000 --> 1:31:37.919 is Matt okay? 1:31:38.320 --> 1:31:41.200 Yeah, yes, It's really actually hard for me to keep 1:31:41.240 --> 1:31:42.720 them straight because I was just like, oh, yeah, so 1:31:42.760 --> 1:31:45.200 she was fucking that guy interesting, you know, like. 1:31:45.240 --> 1:31:47.160 But also because you were like saying that, you were 1:31:47.160 --> 1:31:48.960 saying that like Sweat was like the one that's like 1:31:49.000 --> 1:31:51.360 more competent and it's gregarious, and that to me is 1:31:51.360 --> 1:31:53.120 like a Benicio rather than a Paul. 1:31:53.000 --> 1:31:57.040 Dano, you know. Or is that what Matt was? Yeah, yeah, 1:31:57.040 --> 1:31:59.120 that's what I mean. It's like it really like I 1:31:59.160 --> 1:32:01.479 had to keep checking photos and making sure which ones 1:32:01.479 --> 1:32:03.920 witch in my head and mixing them up throughout this 1:32:04.439 --> 1:32:06.920 then direity of this whole thing, like I cannot keep 1:32:06.960 --> 1:32:10.720 it straight. It's a Mandela effect in true action, Like 1:32:12.000 --> 1:32:14.519 I am forgetting their faces and names as I've gone, 1:32:14.600 --> 1:32:17.400 so you can watch more. Never even heard of this show, 1:32:17.560 --> 1:32:20.000 I can't. I don't know where I've been. And so 1:32:20.120 --> 1:32:22.960 oh okay, So the other inmate from the tailor's shop, 1:32:23.000 --> 1:32:27.799 prel actually was hired as an assistant to actress Patricia Arquette, 1:32:28.000 --> 1:32:33.439 who played Joyce in the show whow So she got fired? 1:32:33.520 --> 1:32:36.000 You know, she got charged, but she got a job 1:32:36.040 --> 1:32:42.040 in Hollywood. Also, also the report I keep mentioning is 1:32:42.080 --> 1:32:45.320 from the State of New York Office of the Inspector General. 1:32:45.680 --> 1:32:47.920 And it's one hundred and fifty four pages. It will 1:32:47.960 --> 1:32:49.920 be linked in our sources if you want to get 1:32:49.920 --> 1:32:53.520 in there. Also the New York magazine sorts The Intelligencer 1:32:54.080 --> 1:32:56.640 had so many photos and I really liked it, like 1:32:56.680 --> 1:32:59.320 of the tailor shop and just all the evidence and 1:32:59.680 --> 1:33:03.920 the whole and everything. And obviously we've mentioned Shashank a bunch. 1:33:03.960 --> 1:33:06.559 And if you're thinking that wasn't talked about and on 1:33:06.600 --> 1:33:09.880 the inside, you are wrong. They talked about it. They 1:33:09.880 --> 1:33:12.720 read the novella and they used it as a source, 1:33:12.960 --> 1:33:15.519 like like he learned how not to fuck with certain 1:33:15.600 --> 1:33:18.679 pipes that are filled with shit. Like Sweat is quoted 1:33:18.720 --> 1:33:21.479 in New York Magazine also saying Shawshank ain't got shit 1:33:21.600 --> 1:33:25.599 on me. But it's like, well you got caught or dead. 1:33:25.720 --> 1:33:28.840 I forgot, but you know they actually made Yeah, Shaw 1:33:28.880 --> 1:33:32.120 Shank is different. And because the fun doesn't end with 1:33:32.200 --> 1:33:35.360 the story, just more facts. Is Sweat was like, oh 1:33:35.400 --> 1:33:37.400 my god, I was in the best shape of my life. 1:33:37.520 --> 1:33:40.439 I lost thirty pounds climbing through the tunnels and hacksong 1:33:40.560 --> 1:33:43.240 through pipes. So it's like the coolest workout ever. I 1:33:43.240 --> 1:33:45.760 think is trying to escape from prison like he was, 1:33:45.840 --> 1:33:49.559 just like I was feeling myself. So during all this 1:33:49.600 --> 1:33:51.919 hack song. This is actually interesting because of their friendship 1:33:51.960 --> 1:33:56.679 and how quickly it all dissolved. But through the hack 1:33:56.720 --> 1:34:00.040 song and the planning and the process he did I 1:34:00.080 --> 1:34:03.040 end up opening the manhole and putting his head out 1:34:03.080 --> 1:34:05.519 into freedom. But he did make a promise to Matt 1:34:05.840 --> 1:34:07.559 and he wanted to stick to his words, so he 1:34:07.600 --> 1:34:11.639 went back for his friend wow Or because he thought 1:34:11.640 --> 1:34:13.200 he was gonna have the car with Joyce, but he 1:34:13.240 --> 1:34:15.600 said he did. But again, he could be long like 1:34:15.640 --> 1:34:24.599 we don't know, damn, damn, Amora. That is nuts. Yeah, 1:34:24.720 --> 1:34:26.160 I remember when it was on the news. 1:34:26.200 --> 1:34:28.840 I remember I cannot believe how long they've been gone, 1:34:28.880 --> 1:34:32.479 for like three weeks. Like I just don't get how 1:34:32.520 --> 1:34:34.879 they were, like I guess, yeah, like sneaking into cabins 1:34:34.920 --> 1:34:37.840 and shit, I just don't get how they were like surviving, like. 1:34:37.760 --> 1:34:42.120 They're eating they took stuff with them, so like they 1:34:42.200 --> 1:34:45.880 had I didn't put this in me. They took a 1:34:45.880 --> 1:34:50.320 bunch of pepperoni sticks, they had a bunch of granola bars, 1:34:50.840 --> 1:34:54.280 and there was like one other snack that they they 1:34:54.439 --> 1:34:56.160 had with back piling. Wow. 1:34:56.360 --> 1:35:00.720 Yeah, so they had food with them, and yeah, that's 1:35:00.720 --> 1:35:02.720 such a good question. I really wonder what they were 1:35:02.760 --> 1:35:04.479 saying to each other when they came out and she 1:35:04.640 --> 1:35:07.240 wasn't there, Like your. 1:35:07.160 --> 1:35:11.000 Little girlfriend didn't pick us up? Like fuck, I know, 1:35:11.479 --> 1:35:15.160 such a different Yeah, I so many sliding door moments, 1:35:15.280 --> 1:35:20.280 so interesting, but yeah, you fucked it up. Now you're 1:35:20.320 --> 1:35:23.439 in solitary, Like I don't I mean, I hope I'd 1:35:23.439 --> 1:35:25.559 never have to be in prison, so I don't know. 1:35:25.840 --> 1:35:29.840 It must suck. But this prison seemed pretty good. Yeah, like, 1:35:30.280 --> 1:35:33.840 well good for an inmate, because they that's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, 1:35:33.880 --> 1:35:36.719 like you're getting big max, Like this woman is having 1:35:36.840 --> 1:35:39.519 sex with you. The guards aren't even putting you through 1:35:39.520 --> 1:35:43.680 metal detectors. I don't you. I don't know. 1:35:44.960 --> 1:35:47.080 I saw some video that popped up on my Twitter 1:35:47.160 --> 1:35:51.200 before I quit Twitter that was like literally a female 1:35:51.439 --> 1:35:55.320 corrections officer fucking up uh inmate. Like it's like just 1:35:55.360 --> 1:35:58.120 like a fully pornographic video of them having sex and 1:35:58.760 --> 1:36:01.320 his sound mate is taking the video and she's not 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:03.960 telling him to stop. But they're in like a room 1:36:04.040 --> 1:36:06.240 that has bunk beds. They have tons of stuff. I 1:36:06.560 --> 1:36:08.240 think maybe they might be in the UK. I don't 1:36:08.240 --> 1:36:11.000 know if jails are different, but like they have a 1:36:11.160 --> 1:36:12.920 kettle they have like it looks like they're in a 1:36:12.920 --> 1:36:15.320 dorm room like they're and they've got so much stuff. 1:36:15.720 --> 1:36:20.160 I think. I think if you're serving that long, like 1:36:20.200 --> 1:36:22.639 with commissary, and then you have jobs and yourn money, 1:36:22.640 --> 1:36:27.240 you can get stuff you can have. Yeah, yeah, because 1:36:27.280 --> 1:36:30.439 I've seen that before, and not just in Oz, like 1:36:31.600 --> 1:36:36.439 because there's TikTok prison prison videos that's bustin' and they'll 1:36:36.479 --> 1:36:39.000 make like recipes and then at the end they'll taste 1:36:39.040 --> 1:36:42.360 sim be like that's bustin' or not bustin', and how bustin' 1:36:42.360 --> 1:36:44.840 it is. But it's like ramen sandwiches and how they 1:36:44.880 --> 1:36:47.600 make sauces and like, oh, and you know I was 1:36:47.640 --> 1:36:50.519 telling you about in Sacramento when I was performing and 1:36:50.520 --> 1:36:52.439 there was like someone that served prison time and he 1:36:52.520 --> 1:36:56.200 made money making sweet and sour sauce that he would sell. Yes, 1:36:56.320 --> 1:36:58.680 I remember so I think at a certain point, when 1:36:58.680 --> 1:37:01.880 you're in there and you know you are living a life, 1:37:01.920 --> 1:37:04.320 you get to have cup of noodles. 1:37:04.880 --> 1:37:10.320 But yeah, I mean like I feel like sweat or wait, 1:37:10.360 --> 1:37:12.200 I'm sorry, which one got killed Mat exactly? 1:37:12.240 --> 1:37:14.599 It's like crazy to kid. Yeah, and I don't know why. 1:37:15.360 --> 1:37:18.080 Matt was probably like, yeah, I'm not putting my hands up, 1:37:18.120 --> 1:37:19.720 like I don't want to go back, just like kill me, 1:37:19.920 --> 1:37:23.320 you know, right, like you knew he wasn't gonna get away. 1:37:24.120 --> 1:37:26.720 But that's kind of I mean, that's kind of like 1:37:26.760 --> 1:37:28.320 what Yates did, I guess in the end of that 1:37:28.400 --> 1:37:32.880 Chicago Pet episode. Anyway, We've got a great guest, so 1:37:33.080 --> 1:37:43.960 don't go anywhere. Our guest this week is an actor 1:37:44.240 --> 1:37:47.639 and podcaster. She most recently starred in the mini series 1:37:47.720 --> 1:37:50.439 Fleischmann Is in Trouble. She can be seen on The 1:37:50.560 --> 1:37:53.640 Deuce the Marvelous Missus Masel. But let's be honest, you 1:37:53.680 --> 1:37:56.080 know her best as one of the most infuriating characters 1:37:56.200 --> 1:38:01.800 in SVU history, prison Groupie Bronwyn Wilkins Nay Freed. Please 1:38:01.920 --> 1:38:08.559 enjoy our chat with Sarah Storm. Hello, I feel like 1:38:08.600 --> 1:38:10.720 we've been corresponding. 1:38:11.320 --> 1:38:13.679 Yeah, we've been corresponding with did I write you when 1:38:13.680 --> 1:38:14.759 you announced your show? 1:38:15.240 --> 1:38:19.000 Well right away to you on the artist formerly known 1:38:19.000 --> 1:38:22.360 as Twitter a lot about us, how we were going 1:38:22.400 --> 1:38:23.479 to have you one day and we. 1:38:23.479 --> 1:38:26.479 Just had for the right moment. Yeah, the fork in 1:38:26.520 --> 1:38:29.759 the road and is we don't want to watch those episodes. 1:38:29.760 --> 1:38:32.600 They're horrifying, So like the William Bullis episodes are the 1:38:32.640 --> 1:38:36.000 most scary. And so it was like, we'll take our time. 1:38:36.520 --> 1:38:38.519 And then because this is kind of a two parter, 1:38:38.720 --> 1:38:42.280 we had to get you know, yeah, like what did 1:38:42.400 --> 1:38:44.760 we get Rednick or Yeah, we got ra first, we 1:38:44.800 --> 1:38:47.280 got Dallas, then we had to get Jefferson Mays, and 1:38:47.320 --> 1:38:49.599 then we got you for Niche. Man, it's what works out, 1:38:49.640 --> 1:38:51.160 you know. It's like there's a lot of amazings. 1:38:51.479 --> 1:38:53.920 People don't know how the sausage is made. But you know, 1:38:54.720 --> 1:38:57.400 I'm like, I'm honored. I'm honored to be considered in 1:38:57.439 --> 1:38:58.040 their company. 1:38:58.040 --> 1:39:02.280 Are you kidding? Yeah, it's I mean, you must get 1:39:02.280 --> 1:39:04.280 stopped on the streets of New York, Like there's no 1:39:04.360 --> 1:39:08.240 way you just go through life with oh mention, I 1:39:08.320 --> 1:39:10.640 just can't imagine. It depends. 1:39:10.720 --> 1:39:12.920 It depends on the glasses I'm wearing and I'm realizing 1:39:12.960 --> 1:39:15.040 these glasses are a little bit like those glasses where 1:39:15.439 --> 1:39:17.599 it depends on like sort of what I look like 1:39:17.760 --> 1:39:20.160 and what it can usually tell when things are airing, 1:39:20.360 --> 1:39:23.640 because then people are like, hey, and yeah. 1:39:23.280 --> 1:39:24.519 This is this is so silly. 1:39:24.560 --> 1:39:26.559 But like I think when I started to have like 1:39:26.560 --> 1:39:29.240 a reasonable understanding of what was possible for me as 1:39:29.240 --> 1:39:30.800 an actor, I was like, I would kind of like 1:39:30.880 --> 1:39:34.080 to be that person you can sort of you can't 1:39:34.120 --> 1:39:36.559 quite place. It's like inscrutable. Did you go to high 1:39:36.560 --> 1:39:38.400 school with them? Yeah, and that is kind of where 1:39:38.439 --> 1:39:41.879 things have landed. So yeah, I remember asking Selene Robinson 1:39:41.920 --> 1:39:43.839 at some point on set, like as I was basically 1:39:43.880 --> 1:39:46.559 profusely thanking them and then as coolly a manner as 1:39:46.600 --> 1:39:50.040 I possibly could as a deeply unchilled person, and they 1:39:50.040 --> 1:39:52.879 were looking for somebody who was kind of like unhinged 1:39:53.000 --> 1:39:55.680 enough to do this, and somebody blessed them brought my 1:39:55.760 --> 1:39:57.920 name up and was like, you know, this is kind 1:39:57.920 --> 1:39:58.880 of Bronwin style. 1:39:59.600 --> 1:40:03.200 Yeah, we've already had She's already let one major guy out. 1:40:03.280 --> 1:40:06.200 Let's let this. I mean there are types that you've 1:40:06.240 --> 1:40:09.439 got hired again at the person, I mean, at a 1:40:09.439 --> 1:40:12.160 person it's like yeah, I know, I know. 1:40:12.360 --> 1:40:15.040 I'm like, man, she got crafty after that after that 1:40:15.080 --> 1:40:15.839 first instance. 1:40:15.920 --> 1:40:17.840 Well, we were on winding it out in the episode too. 1:40:17.840 --> 1:40:20.639 I was like, so when she's in court looking at Rudnick, 1:40:20.720 --> 1:40:22.640 it's like June and then this is all going on 1:40:22.720 --> 1:40:26.479 in February. So in seven months, she's relocated to Upstate, 1:40:26.760 --> 1:40:30.120 got a job at this prison, married some guy, and 1:40:30.200 --> 1:40:34.479 then and then is fully orchestrating a month's long escape 1:40:34.520 --> 1:40:38.200 like it's very you know, Bronwyn she knows how to 1:40:38.200 --> 1:40:39.400 get it done. 1:40:39.680 --> 1:40:43.240 She truly does. I you know, she she uses her 1:40:43.280 --> 1:40:44.760 powers for evil? What can I say? 1:40:46.120 --> 1:40:48.400 Do you well? So the real life case this escape 1:40:48.439 --> 1:40:52.920 for from Dana Mora, she the character like who your 1:40:52.960 --> 1:40:55.040 character is based on, did stay with her husband? And 1:40:55.080 --> 1:40:58.080 I am wondering, do you think Bronwin's husband stayed with her? 1:40:59.720 --> 1:41:02.200 Or was this the final? Was this like a gat 1:41:02.320 --> 1:41:02.720 What do you think? 1:41:02.840 --> 1:41:08.479 I think Kyle Kyle? I think Kyle I rewatched this morning? 1:41:08.520 --> 1:41:11.280 Can you tell I think Kyle Ky? I feel like 1:41:11.320 --> 1:41:14.400 she probably picked him very specifically, I think Kyle probably stayed. 1:41:14.920 --> 1:41:16.840 How interested is Bronwyn from prison? 1:41:16.920 --> 1:41:19.679 Who knows? But like I think he's probably still there 1:41:19.920 --> 1:41:22.280 you know what else not to go too fast, but 1:41:22.520 --> 1:41:25.240 because now I'm thinking about like Benson being like, you're 1:41:25.320 --> 1:41:27.479 lucky he left you in that trunk, you fucking idiot. 1:41:27.520 --> 1:41:31.280 But like you and Benson have a fun relationship, you know. 1:41:31.479 --> 1:41:34.840 I love when you're like she has some energy towards me, 1:41:35.000 --> 1:41:37.840 like I don't want this, Like how was working with 1:41:37.960 --> 1:41:41.880 Marishka and like your guy's fun energy a dream. 1:41:42.760 --> 1:41:47.840 She she's just she's so kind and so thoughtful. And 1:41:47.880 --> 1:41:50.559 this goes back to like my first episode. But I remember, 1:41:50.600 --> 1:41:52.879 like my first episode of SVU was my first episode 1:41:52.880 --> 1:41:55.280 of TV period wow, And so I had like read 1:41:55.280 --> 1:41:58.320 the script like twenty times, applied everything I had ever 1:41:58.400 --> 1:42:01.840 studied in school. And I remember her coming in to 1:42:02.000 --> 1:42:05.000 check if she if I needed her for my eyeline 1:42:05.080 --> 1:42:07.160 for they were going to get some like reaction or something. 1:42:07.600 --> 1:42:09.760 And like I just every time I encounter hurt, it's 1:42:09.800 --> 1:42:12.639 like a masterclass in how to lead that kind of environment. 1:42:13.320 --> 1:42:16.160 She's fun, she's funny. At one point, I feel like 1:42:16.360 --> 1:42:18.519 this was when like planking was really big when we 1:42:18.520 --> 1:42:22.880 were shooting Nationwide Manhood. I'm like, she was planking. I tried, 1:42:23.479 --> 1:42:28.240 I'm not athletic, it was she she's a phenomenal colleague 1:42:28.240 --> 1:42:31.120 and she really I think leads like the spirit of 1:42:31.120 --> 1:42:32.840 her leadership is seen and felt. 1:42:33.680 --> 1:42:37.120 Yeah, so well put Yeah we hear that from a 1:42:37.120 --> 1:42:40.559 lot of people. She's not as as not as beautiful 1:42:40.640 --> 1:42:45.960 as very good. Ye well, and then I have to 1:42:46.240 --> 1:42:49.880 ask about the energy with you know, we we do 1:42:49.960 --> 1:42:53.439 think Pablo Schreiber is a hot guy and talented, but 1:42:53.960 --> 1:42:56.920 truly well what we'd so some for We went on 1:42:56.960 --> 1:43:00.439 tour for Halloween and amazing a West Coast and we 1:43:00.479 --> 1:43:02.720 asked people to dress up in the audience and we 1:43:02.760 --> 1:43:07.080 had a bron win in San Diego, so bat wives listening, 1:43:07.120 --> 1:43:10.880 but I took her, uh the pin oh amazing. 1:43:10.479 --> 1:43:12.960 She was wearing pin. She had like a red wing. 1:43:13.120 --> 1:43:15.400 Yeah we got a card again on like she was 1:43:15.560 --> 1:43:20.639 fully like she was bringing the bron one. I'm I'm 1:43:20.680 --> 1:43:24.439 like genuinely honored. Yeah, we'll get you the photo. It 1:43:24.560 --> 1:43:29.120 was really it was a thrill. But how like is 1:43:29.160 --> 1:43:31.360 he in charactered as you try to be weird or 1:43:31.400 --> 1:43:35.040 is the extra nice on set to like counteract his creepiness, 1:43:35.080 --> 1:43:38.839 Like yeah, what is his what's that like? Super super thoughtful? 1:43:38.880 --> 1:43:40.600 And I feel like the con I think if I 1:43:40.720 --> 1:43:44.479 hadn't met him a couple times before. Like I was 1:43:44.520 --> 1:43:46.879 thinking a lot about this going in and just reflecting 1:43:46.880 --> 1:43:49.280 on all of this. I would have been super terrified 1:43:49.800 --> 1:43:52.320 if I had like watched the episodes available to watch 1:43:52.320 --> 1:43:55.000 and I had not ever encountered Pablo in like the 1:43:55.040 --> 1:43:57.360 wilds of theater. He had done the twenty four hour 1:43:57.400 --> 1:43:59.760 plays a few times, which I've been involved in since 1:43:59.800 --> 1:44:04.439 like twenty twenty two thousand and one, sorry numbers since 1:44:04.479 --> 1:44:07.759 two thousand and one, and so I have this distinct 1:44:07.840 --> 1:44:10.759 memory of like the year that my eldest nephew was born, 1:44:10.840 --> 1:44:12.639 I think was the same year that maybe his eldest 1:44:12.720 --> 1:44:14.960 kid was born. So I have this memory of like 1:44:15.080 --> 1:44:19.040 us trading baby pictures via phone, like early days of 1:44:19.080 --> 1:44:22.400 all of this, and so like that's my core memory 1:44:22.400 --> 1:44:25.320 of Pamlo Schreiber, which gave me a nice base. I 1:44:25.360 --> 1:44:27.439 was like, he is so good at his job. He 1:44:27.520 --> 1:44:31.160 is absolutely terrifying. I'm nervous to walk in. And then 1:44:31.200 --> 1:44:33.599 like I walked into hair and makeup and he teased 1:44:33.640 --> 1:44:36.000 me like something related to the twenty four hour place, 1:44:36.000 --> 1:44:38.439 and I was like, okay, So like he is able 1:44:38.479 --> 1:44:42.640 to occupy that space those courtroom scenes in Psychotherapists, Like 1:44:43.120 --> 1:44:46.880 that day was like thirteen hours and he and Marishka 1:44:47.040 --> 1:44:50.599 every take would just go to go as far and 1:44:50.640 --> 1:44:52.760 farther than they needed to go to get the and 1:44:52.800 --> 1:44:55.280 then took such great care of each other between takes, 1:44:55.400 --> 1:44:58.639 and like they shot some reaction of me, and I realized, 1:44:58.640 --> 1:45:00.400 this isn't about nationwide man hunt, but it doesn't. 1:45:00.400 --> 1:45:03.200 It's okay, wait, we're talking about your whole arc. 1:45:03.360 --> 1:45:07.719 Don't worry, Okay, thank you, and he like they needed 1:45:07.760 --> 1:45:10.519 some reaction shots of me in the jury box and 1:45:10.560 --> 1:45:13.280 like an eighty could have done it somebody. There are 1:45:13.320 --> 1:45:16.000 several options, and this had at that point, I think, 1:45:16.040 --> 1:45:18.599 been like a thirteen some on hour day. And Pablo 1:45:18.640 --> 1:45:20.800 stayed and hung out behind the camera and like fed 1:45:20.840 --> 1:45:22.439 me the stuff that I needed, and I was like, 1:45:22.880 --> 1:45:26.519 dang again, like something about the way that ship is 1:45:26.600 --> 1:45:29.599 run over at SVU, Like I think they bring in 1:45:29.640 --> 1:45:32.120 people who have that sort of ethos and then I 1:45:32.120 --> 1:45:34.120 feel like people lead into that ethos. Like that was 1:45:34.280 --> 1:45:37.920 a real act of generosity. And again my first time 1:45:37.960 --> 1:45:40.839 ever on TV, I was so excited. I was so nervous, 1:45:41.280 --> 1:45:43.920 and like, here is my colleague treating me like a 1:45:43.960 --> 1:45:46.360 colleague and like going the extra mile to make sure 1:45:46.360 --> 1:45:49.320 that I can do my like first ever job. 1:45:49.840 --> 1:45:50.120 Yeah. 1:45:50.439 --> 1:45:53.960 Wow, he's he's a cool. He's a I haven't seen 1:45:54.000 --> 1:45:55.920 him in a long time. He is a cool, good guy. 1:45:56.000 --> 1:45:57.600 And at one point, and I'll try and find this 1:45:57.640 --> 1:46:00.640 photo and send it to you, we were doing the 1:46:00.640 --> 1:46:03.559 twenty four hour plays several years later, and I think 1:46:03.600 --> 1:46:05.519 somebody had brought in cupcakes and I think it was 1:46:05.560 --> 1:46:08.320 for Daniel's birthday and he and I like both like 1:46:08.920 --> 1:46:13.479 peeped the cupcakes and were like troll the fans and like. 1:46:16.000 --> 1:46:16.960 And took a fun photo. 1:46:17.320 --> 1:46:20.680 Oh yes, we would love to see that picture. I 1:46:20.680 --> 1:46:22.360 would be so fun. 1:46:22.680 --> 1:46:27.040 No, he really is the number one villain, I would say, legit, 1:46:27.080 --> 1:46:29.320 And he's so good. He's terrifying. Yeah. 1:46:29.320 --> 1:46:31.680 On a show that literally has a new rapist or 1:46:31.720 --> 1:46:34.519 murderer every week, he is like the standout because he 1:46:34.600 --> 1:46:37.400 goes after you know, our beloved main character of course, 1:46:37.479 --> 1:46:40.360 but he's also burning off the fingertips. 1:46:40.400 --> 1:46:42.920 I mean, like that's your intro ya. 1:46:43.320 --> 1:46:47.000 Right, and and all that stuff in psychotherapist right, Like 1:46:47.160 --> 1:46:50.240 I learned while we were shooting from another one of 1:46:50.280 --> 1:46:53.479 the main characters, like the main cast that like this, 1:46:53.600 --> 1:46:55.120 they get research packets or they were. 1:46:55.080 --> 1:46:55.599 At that time. 1:46:55.680 --> 1:46:59.840 And this is a thing that that rapists often due 1:46:59.840 --> 1:47:02.080 to they're victims when there's a court room involved, Like 1:47:02.760 --> 1:47:06.120 I will I'm a survivor of sexual assault, but I 1:47:06.120 --> 1:47:08.040 have never I was never in a courtroom I was. 1:47:08.080 --> 1:47:11.360 I could not imagine being put in that position. So 1:47:11.439 --> 1:47:14.880 that is some odious, nefarious shit to be putting some 1:47:14.960 --> 1:47:17.000 many through who has been brave enough to try to 1:47:17.000 --> 1:47:19.960 get themselves some justice. And I think the fact that 1:47:20.000 --> 1:47:23.920 they like brought that piece in like it's horrifying. But 1:47:24.040 --> 1:47:26.760 also I never knew that was a thing. I think 1:47:26.800 --> 1:47:28.400 a lot of people probably didn't know that that was 1:47:28.439 --> 1:47:29.360 a thing, and now we do. 1:47:30.160 --> 1:47:35.439 Yeah, will you tell us about Dallas Roberts And why 1:47:35.439 --> 1:47:41.920 am I forgetting rednecks real? Jefferson? Yeah, so I feel 1:47:42.000 --> 1:47:46.800 like the other prisoner too if I go, oh, yeah, 1:47:46.920 --> 1:47:47.719 he was great. 1:47:48.200 --> 1:47:50.840 Oh sorry, Robin that's his character name, that's Robin de 1:47:50.880 --> 1:47:54.160 Hayes Seuss. That is Robin de hayes Sus, breakout star 1:47:54.280 --> 1:47:55.200 of Tick Tick Boom. 1:47:55.240 --> 1:47:56.040 Did you watch Tick Tick? 1:47:56.200 --> 1:47:56.400 Oh? 1:47:56.600 --> 1:47:57.439 I haven't gotten to watch. 1:47:57.479 --> 1:47:59.200 I have, I have a screener of it, and I 1:47:59.240 --> 1:48:02.479 never got a chance to watch it. 1:48:03.120 --> 1:48:04.639 I came out of I came out. 1:48:04.520 --> 1:48:06.120 Of Wicked, and I don't know why this is my 1:48:06.160 --> 1:48:08.200 reaction to coming out of Wicked, Like I came out 1:48:08.200 --> 1:48:10.280 of Wicked, and I'm like, you know, I think I 1:48:10.320 --> 1:48:12.800 maybe want to rewatch Tik Tik boom. I think it's 1:48:12.800 --> 1:48:16.639 something about like seeing theater people do great things on film. 1:48:16.800 --> 1:48:18.520 It's it's a terrific adaptation. 1:48:18.800 --> 1:48:22.559 I could I could turn this into a Robin de 1:48:22.600 --> 1:48:27.040 Haesu's fan podcast. Like he was reading can I like 1:48:27.400 --> 1:48:30.720 he was reading Elizabeth Gilbert's Big Magic. I think when 1:48:30.720 --> 1:48:33.160 we were shooting that, and I just remember talking to 1:48:33.240 --> 1:48:35.519 him a little bit because we've, like, you know, just 1:48:35.600 --> 1:48:37.120 this New York you see people all the time, like 1:48:37.160 --> 1:48:39.479 we had had. We were having a little conversation I 1:48:39.479 --> 1:48:41.880 think about the creativity and the business and whatever, and 1:48:41.880 --> 1:48:44.800 he's like, no, like go read this. He's just everybody's 1:48:44.800 --> 1:48:48.280 super generous. Jefferson Mays is a theater god. I was 1:48:48.320 --> 1:48:51.320 super intimidated to be in his presence and I was like, 1:48:51.479 --> 1:48:53.479 to your job, Sarah, please don't suck today. 1:48:53.680 --> 1:48:53.880 You know. 1:48:53.960 --> 1:48:57.559 It's like, oh, we were so excited to talk to him. 1:48:57.600 --> 1:48:59.640 He was sipping a tiny little white wine on the 1:48:59.680 --> 1:49:04.320 interview with us, like just so like amazing, I love him. 1:49:04.800 --> 1:49:07.320 Ye, I mean Dallas Robert's also a powerhouse. 1:49:07.360 --> 1:49:10.559 But I think it's like Jefferson Mays brings along the 1:49:10.640 --> 1:49:12.400 legend of like I Am my own wife and all 1:49:12.520 --> 1:49:15.960 like just has walked through so many big theater. 1:49:15.840 --> 1:49:19.600 Things in the many years. So like, yeah, Fleishman is 1:49:19.640 --> 1:49:25.720 in trouble. I watched that. I liked it. How is that? Yeah? 1:49:25.760 --> 1:49:27.880 Well yeah, and then of course it's like problem when 1:49:28.080 --> 1:49:31.880 you know it's like the Leonardo DiCaprio meum, but thank you. 1:49:33.560 --> 1:49:36.880 It was the most culturally specific thing I've ever had 1:49:36.920 --> 1:49:39.759 the pleasure of working on. No, but like that's okay, 1:49:39.800 --> 1:49:42.439 And I feel like everything I mentioned, but I can 1:49:42.479 --> 1:49:44.679 only speak about it through the like lens of something else. 1:49:44.760 --> 1:49:47.759 I remember watching Always Be My Maybe Yeah, and watching 1:49:47.840 --> 1:49:50.679 this scene at this house party where kids are coming 1:49:50.680 --> 1:49:52.720 to this birthday party. They tear off their shoes, they 1:49:52.800 --> 1:49:54.680 run through the house, they put on their shoes, they 1:49:54.720 --> 1:49:57.320 put their shoes back on, and they go to the party, 1:49:57.600 --> 1:50:00.599 and like following their POV like you learn a lot, 1:50:00.640 --> 1:50:02.840 like if you are part of that culture, you're probably 1:50:02.840 --> 1:50:05.240 getting a ton of specific references and if you're not, 1:50:05.760 --> 1:50:08.280 you're like you're you're welcome, but they're not going to 1:50:08.320 --> 1:50:10.160 explain it to you. And that's kind of how certain 1:50:10.160 --> 1:50:12.599 aspects of Fleischmann felt like to me. Like since watching 1:50:12.600 --> 1:50:14.479 always be my maybe I was like, God, I want that, 1:50:14.640 --> 1:50:17.800 like I want like I feels like a lot of 1:50:17.800 --> 1:50:20.400 times when we see Jewish people on screen, it's like 1:50:21.160 --> 1:50:25.439 a Hollywood interpretation of Haradi life, which is rarely accurate, 1:50:25.520 --> 1:50:29.280 and like it's there's more like Agatha all along, did 1:50:29.280 --> 1:50:32.200 it really well? Liked did other aspects of Judaism really well? 1:50:32.400 --> 1:50:36.559 But between that and this is Fleischmann, And there is 1:50:36.600 --> 1:50:38.400 no way not to sound nerdy as I tell you 1:50:38.439 --> 1:50:41.440 this story. There's we're sitting around this table. We blockshot 1:50:41.479 --> 1:50:43.639 all three episodes. It was one of the greatest days 1:50:43.640 --> 1:50:46.519 of my life. It was so and like I was 1:50:46.560 --> 1:50:48.600 sitting I was sitting across from Clear Danes, who I 1:50:48.600 --> 1:50:50.840 had grown up watching right on my so called life 1:50:51.120 --> 1:50:53.320 and thinking, God, I want to do that with my life. 1:50:53.600 --> 1:50:55.719 So then to like get a few minutes to actually 1:50:55.760 --> 1:50:58.800 like stare with, like you know, trade eye contact was 1:50:58.880 --> 1:51:02.360 kind of incredible. But it's a shop is dinner scene, 1:51:02.400 --> 1:51:06.760 and so we're rehearsing with one hala and I raise 1:51:06.840 --> 1:51:09.360 my I'm like, I asked to ask Tafia a question. 1:51:09.840 --> 1:51:12.040 I'm like, is this a laham Mishna house? So Laham 1:51:12.080 --> 1:51:15.080 Mishna is like when you make the blessing over Halla, 1:51:15.640 --> 1:51:17.759 you need two loaves and it's sort of symbolic. 1:51:17.800 --> 1:51:18.759 There's a bunch of reasons. 1:51:19.240 --> 1:51:21.800 And she looks at me and she goes, well, of course, 1:51:21.800 --> 1:51:23.800 but I'm not going to burn two loaves in rehearsal. 1:51:24.240 --> 1:51:25.880 And I was like, I will never get to ask 1:51:25.920 --> 1:51:28.600 a question this specific again. And we can also go 1:51:28.720 --> 1:51:31.720 back if you would like a better anecdote for the podcast. 1:51:31.760 --> 1:51:36.720 Like for me, that was a huge I never have 1:51:36.840 --> 1:51:41.439 been in an environment where like we can speak that 1:51:41.560 --> 1:51:44.639 shorthand and be under like she can understand my question 1:51:44.880 --> 1:51:48.280 and give me an answer that gives me levels and 1:51:48.320 --> 1:51:49.120 we can move right on. 1:51:49.640 --> 1:51:51.880 Yeah, like I may never have that again. 1:51:52.400 --> 1:51:56.360 So like the entire process, like it was fittings were 1:51:56.400 --> 1:51:59.720 around porim, there were a humintash and like, yeah, it 1:51:59.760 --> 1:52:01.240 was my Yeah. 1:52:01.000 --> 1:52:02.800 It's reminding me of like we talked to B. D. 1:52:02.960 --> 1:52:05.080 Wong and he was saying that like on Nora from 1:52:05.200 --> 1:52:07.040 Queen's There was like a lot of that like a 1:52:07.080 --> 1:52:10.520 shorthand that they could just use like from cultural upbringing. 1:52:10.640 --> 1:52:13.400 You know, that's really interesting that you have the same 1:52:13.479 --> 1:52:14.400 kind of experience. 1:52:14.840 --> 1:52:17.120 I loved it. It was I loved the novel. 1:52:17.280 --> 1:52:19.160 I loved Taffy, and so like to get to play 1:52:19.160 --> 1:52:21.760 a small role and like telling that story and to 1:52:21.800 --> 1:52:24.000 play somebody like I feel like I knew, we all 1:52:24.080 --> 1:52:25.880 knew somebody who had like gone to Israel and like 1:52:25.880 --> 1:52:28.320 become deeply, deeply religious. It was fun to like step 1:52:28.360 --> 1:52:31.759 into those shoes and like antagonize everyone a little. 1:52:32.560 --> 1:52:35.120 When you're on your IMDb the scene that's playing right 1:52:35.200 --> 1:52:38.479 up next year photo is Benson taking you out of 1:52:38.479 --> 1:52:40.240 the truck and how it's you guys fighting. I mean, 1:52:40.240 --> 1:52:42.840 it's just so much good stuff, really, thank you. 1:52:43.439 --> 1:52:46.840 It was that was that whole episode was so much 1:52:46.880 --> 1:52:50.519 fun to shoot. They I spent like four hours in 1:52:50.560 --> 1:52:54.200 the trunk of that car, and they had props had 1:52:54.240 --> 1:52:57.599 like taken they'd like duct tape over maybe like medical 1:52:57.600 --> 1:52:59.479 tape that they had tried to take the stick off of, 1:53:00.080 --> 1:53:03.240 but Sophia Bush kept having to like rip the tape off. Yes, 1:53:03.880 --> 1:53:06.280 and she's like apologizing after every take, I'm like, I 1:53:06.320 --> 1:53:08.880 signed up for this. I knew this was I but 1:53:09.040 --> 1:53:12.559 like it was lovely there was chicken in my hair. Okay, 1:53:12.800 --> 1:53:14.360 so I have to back I have to back up 1:53:14.400 --> 1:53:15.000 and explain that. 1:53:15.080 --> 1:53:17.519 I think. So they have like that bloodhound that's in 1:53:17.560 --> 1:53:18.040 the scene. 1:53:18.880 --> 1:53:21.040 I believe he was a retired blood He's like a 1:53:21.080 --> 1:53:23.960 retired police dog. So they needed him to chase something 1:53:24.000 --> 1:53:26.280 he was very, very interested in. And it wasn't me 1:53:27.560 --> 1:53:30.080 chicken like many dogs. So like they had put they 1:53:30.120 --> 1:53:32.519 had like scented the trunk with a little bit of 1:53:32.600 --> 1:53:35.920 chicken so that the dog would find it, and then 1:53:35.960 --> 1:53:37.679 you know, once the scene was cute, like a little 1:53:37.720 --> 1:53:40.839 reward of chicken. But the end of like four hours, 1:53:40.880 --> 1:53:43.680 I was definitely like, oh, there's like a piece of chicken. 1:53:43.360 --> 1:53:45.679 In my hair. Was the dog cue. 1:53:46.040 --> 1:53:49.000 He was like an enormous bloodhound. Every I'm a I'm 1:53:49.040 --> 1:53:50.799 a dog person, Every dog is cue. 1:53:51.040 --> 1:53:54.400 I know, he was an enormous blood boy. Is well, 1:53:55.000 --> 1:53:57.599 I mean you got to be a jury for person. 1:53:57.760 --> 1:54:00.400 That's Svu Bingo. I mean that's really fun. 1:54:00.960 --> 1:54:03.120 I had thought a long time that it's like if 1:54:03.120 --> 1:54:04.760 I could manage to be a corpse, I'd really be 1:54:04.840 --> 1:54:07.040 hitting it big, like that could be my moment and like, 1:54:07.120 --> 1:54:10.680 so to actually get to spend a week on that 1:54:10.840 --> 1:54:13.920 set observing all of those people and getting to participate 1:54:14.680 --> 1:54:17.080 in the creation of that episode was like beyond. 1:54:17.200 --> 1:54:19.439 It was incredible. It was so much fun. 1:54:19.479 --> 1:54:22.120 I don't think we recorded my speaking towards the end 1:54:22.200 --> 1:54:23.800 of the week, so I spent a lot of time 1:54:24.680 --> 1:54:28.960 like watching, reacting, learning how how the sausage got. 1:54:28.800 --> 1:54:30.880 Made in the tea and like the actual factual TV 1:54:30.960 --> 1:54:34.320 world love it. I love it. 1:54:34.360 --> 1:54:37.960 And now it's like you're literally beyond Like if you 1:54:38.000 --> 1:54:40.240 just were to like cut out all the main characters 1:54:40.280 --> 1:54:44.080 on the show, top ten side characters. 1:54:45.680 --> 1:54:48.320 Well and I and I mean, it would be fun 1:54:48.400 --> 1:54:50.440 to see you get out of jail in the future 1:54:50.480 --> 1:54:53.880 and come do one more one more thing. 1:54:54.120 --> 1:54:57.040 I'm touched that I'm not dead. One of the makeup 1:54:57.120 --> 1:54:58.880 artists like he would just see me in the hall 1:54:58.920 --> 1:55:00.960 and you'd be like, hey, not yet. And I started 1:55:01.000 --> 1:55:04.520 to feel like it was my nickname it but it's true, 1:55:04.560 --> 1:55:06.760 Like I sometimes wonder, I'm like what I feel like 1:55:06.800 --> 1:55:10.320 bron Win's moment maybe has like passed, like has definitely 1:55:10.360 --> 1:55:12.760 passed by, but like I'm like is she did she 1:55:12.840 --> 1:55:15.160 go to jail. I'm assuming Barbara made sure she went 1:55:15.200 --> 1:55:19.240 to jail, right, Is she still there? What's her racket? Like? Also, 1:55:19.280 --> 1:55:22.080 I think she really did experience trauma in that episode that, 1:55:22.200 --> 1:55:24.920 like everyone around her, I think is too angry at 1:55:24.920 --> 1:55:29.120 her right rightfully so to recognize her care. Yeah, And 1:55:29.160 --> 1:55:32.360 I do sort of wonder what that sort of experience 1:55:32.480 --> 1:55:36.040 with Yates has like done to her. And that's who 1:55:36.080 --> 1:55:39.640 that's made her into, because I think she likes so 1:55:39.920 --> 1:55:42.920 like many people I imagine in that sort of headspace, 1:55:43.120 --> 1:55:46.080 like sees the person she can save, sees the person 1:55:46.160 --> 1:55:50.760 who needs her, and like to be to be assaulted 1:55:50.800 --> 1:55:53.240 and traumatized by the person you're trying to help, like 1:55:54.560 --> 1:55:56.400 to Brek, Like, I wonder what that did to her. 1:55:56.520 --> 1:55:59.920 Yeah, And it's like the hatred from Benson is so 1:56:00.120 --> 1:56:03.720 real because Benson, even when she finds a person, even 1:56:03.720 --> 1:56:05.640 when a person's done something wrong and she finds out 1:56:05.640 --> 1:56:08.680 they're a victim, you usually see her switch to treating 1:56:08.680 --> 1:56:09.480 them like a victim. 1:56:09.600 --> 1:56:11.960 But she just will not do that with you because I. 1:56:11.920 --> 1:56:15.320 Think you, like brought her so much trauma from those 1:56:15.360 --> 1:56:19.880 other the William Lewis situation that it's it's really kind 1:56:19.880 --> 1:56:23.160 of I know it's serious, it's a serious episode, but 1:56:23.240 --> 1:56:25.480 your character brings me a lot of like laughed, like 1:56:25.560 --> 1:56:27.920 I think it's you bring humor to the it, you know, 1:56:27.960 --> 1:56:30.480 where You're like, she has a lot of bad feelings 1:56:30.520 --> 1:56:32.000 towards me. I don't think I should be talking to 1:56:32.040 --> 1:56:32.640 her right now. 1:56:33.160 --> 1:56:36.960 It's really I I'm happy that she's able to bring 1:56:37.000 --> 1:56:40.240 a moment of levity, yeah, or like extranists, so like 1:56:40.320 --> 1:56:45.440 serial killers, you know, truly, it's like she's she's kind 1:56:45.480 --> 1:56:45.960 of the worst. 1:56:46.360 --> 1:56:47.200 She's I loved. 1:56:47.400 --> 1:56:50.160 I loved playing her when I'm when I'm handed a script, 1:56:50.280 --> 1:56:53.360 I go to to bat to defend that character and 1:56:53.520 --> 1:56:55.200 chase after everything they want. 1:56:55.400 --> 1:56:57.200 But man, I'm like, yeah, Bronwyn. 1:56:57.880 --> 1:57:00.720 They despise me in the SPU subreddit and I'm like, 1:57:01.680 --> 1:57:04.400 I did, I've not spent a lot of time. Somebody 1:57:04.440 --> 1:57:06.120 mentioned it to me and I went looking once and 1:57:06.160 --> 1:57:07.720 it's like I was like, oh, I think it was. 1:57:07.720 --> 1:57:09.400 There was a meme going around of like who do 1:57:09.400 --> 1:57:11.960 you hate most? Like like villains, like to your point, 1:57:12.040 --> 1:57:15.040 like not main characters, just like people you really hate, 1:57:15.320 --> 1:57:17.240 and people kept sending it to me because I was 1:57:17.720 --> 1:57:20.880 showing up in some people's like collections of like twelve people. 1:57:21.600 --> 1:57:23.800 And I think that's when somebody mentioned the SVU subreddit 1:57:23.800 --> 1:57:26.160 to me, and so I went and I took a look, 1:57:26.520 --> 1:57:29.360 and I'm like, oh, dang, they hate me, and like 1:57:29.560 --> 1:57:33.240 one person crossed the line into like talking about my body, 1:57:33.280 --> 1:57:34.920 and somebody else like course corrected them. 1:57:35.280 --> 1:57:38.080 It was like no, far no, And I was. 1:57:38.040 --> 1:57:40.800 Like, I'm so glad someone like that is in this subreddit, 1:57:40.800 --> 1:57:42.960 and I think that is my signal to gracefully exit. 1:57:43.480 --> 1:57:46.280 But when I need a pithy like blue sky bio, 1:57:46.480 --> 1:57:48.200 I think it might say that right now, like most 1:57:48.200 --> 1:57:50.320 hated person in the SVU sub Yeah, Like I think 1:57:50.360 --> 1:57:51.920 I wear that as a badge of honor. 1:57:52.080 --> 1:57:53.960 Literally I just googled it really quickly. 1:57:54.000 --> 1:57:56.520 Bronwin as if you read it, and it's like Broadwin 1:57:56.600 --> 1:58:01.080 is so bizarre, fucking Bronwin. I despise bra who is 1:58:01.120 --> 1:58:04.040 the worst small character and why is it Bronwyn like. 1:58:05.680 --> 1:58:08.160 And I'm like, you know, if I'm inspiring that level 1:58:08.160 --> 1:58:09.720 of hatred, then I did something right. 1:58:10.000 --> 1:58:12.120 Yeah, I mean they gave you you you played a 1:58:12.200 --> 1:58:17.720 character who let multiple serial killers go so like the worst, yes, yes, yeah, 1:58:17.760 --> 1:58:21.480 I would love to see a Bronwin out of jail 1:58:22.160 --> 1:58:24.720 in the city. She's a witness to a crime in 1:58:24.760 --> 1:58:26.760 her and Benson cross paths again. 1:58:26.680 --> 1:58:29.680 Yeah, like Benson and Noah are just in the streets, 1:58:29.760 --> 1:58:32.920 and then like she just sees Bronwin standing. 1:58:32.680 --> 1:58:35.640 Because I think Bronwyn, we need Bronwyn to apologize to 1:58:35.680 --> 1:58:39.240 Olivia at some point and be like, I'm sorry, I 1:58:39.360 --> 1:58:42.120 was in a bad place. I was chasing after the 1:58:42.120 --> 1:58:44.480 wrong men in my life. You know, do you think 1:58:44.560 --> 1:58:46.280 do you think that she's reformed? Do you think she's 1:58:46.320 --> 1:58:46.840 grown like that? 1:58:47.840 --> 1:58:52.200 No? In prison? Probably not. Well, I'm also curious at 1:58:52.240 --> 1:58:55.600 what you're what what you do at your job and 1:58:55.680 --> 1:58:57.880 the shows you met here at the studio you say 1:58:58.000 --> 1:59:01.960 you also love it. I am curious about Oh yeah, totally, totally. 1:59:02.080 --> 1:59:02.200 So. 1:59:02.920 --> 1:59:06.240 I am a senior producer on LinkedIn's editorial production team. 1:59:06.440 --> 1:59:08.240 So I work. I work at a tech company. I 1:59:08.240 --> 1:59:10.160 have an arts job at a tech company. Don't let 1:59:10.160 --> 1:59:13.760 that get out too much. So we make several shows 1:59:13.760 --> 1:59:16.160 in house. We partner with a bunch more as part 1:59:16.160 --> 1:59:18.840 of the LinkedIn podcast network. I got to help launch 1:59:18.840 --> 1:59:21.920 that network in twenty twenty two. The thing I realized 1:59:22.000 --> 1:59:24.040 as I was getting ready to sort of pivot away 1:59:24.080 --> 1:59:26.840 from like actor survival jobs. Was I wanted to be 1:59:26.920 --> 1:59:29.800 doing things that I felt were like helpful and additive. 1:59:30.320 --> 1:59:32.160 And I really think that the stuff that we're making 1:59:32.320 --> 1:59:35.360 is helpful and additive to people at various points in 1:59:35.400 --> 1:59:39.480 their careers, sometimes even their job searches. And so I 1:59:39.520 --> 1:59:42.880 love what I do. I work with incredible, incredible people, 1:59:44.240 --> 1:59:46.400 and I love hearing from members who like listen to 1:59:46.480 --> 1:59:48.360 our shows. You do not have to be a LinkedIn 1:59:48.360 --> 1:59:50.280 member to hear any of this. It's wherever you listen 1:59:50.280 --> 1:59:53.520 to podcasts. Oh wow, but yeah cool. 1:59:53.400 --> 1:59:57.240 Yeah, thank you for taking the time to talk to us. 1:59:57.560 --> 2:00:00.360 I was doing shows in Cincinnati this weekend and someone 2:00:00.480 --> 2:00:02.000 I try to give the people that come out to 2:00:02.000 --> 2:00:05.320 see me like tidbits because they're just humans, right. So 2:00:05.320 --> 2:00:07.680 I'm like, bron Win's coming this week, and everyone was 2:00:07.800 --> 2:00:11.320 very excited. I'm like, we're getting Bronwin, baby. 2:00:12.000 --> 2:00:15.720 Thank you, thank you so much. This has been delightful. 2:00:15.920 --> 2:00:17.520 Thank you so much for your nation. 2:00:17.920 --> 2:00:25.880 Yeah you too. Okay. I was like obsessed with Sarah, 2:00:26.160 --> 2:00:30.320 like she remembered so much, so thoughtful, She's such a 2:00:30.400 --> 2:00:33.320 lover of the craft and all the theater and knows 2:00:33.400 --> 2:00:37.240 everything and is so specific in her storytelling and moments 2:00:37.520 --> 2:00:39.880 and yeah, like yes, what she does means a lot 2:00:39.960 --> 2:00:40.280 to her and. 2:00:40.280 --> 2:00:44.720 It's cool totally and so like eloquently putting how she 2:00:44.920 --> 2:00:47.560 found like the vibe on the set and the opportunity 2:00:47.560 --> 2:00:49.080 that she was having and yeah. 2:00:48.880 --> 2:00:51.720 It's like what we want from all the guests. I know. 2:00:52.000 --> 2:00:54.640 I'm like, can you remember every detail and like all 2:00:54.720 --> 2:00:57.840 the people and give us the nuanced answers please? 2:00:58.160 --> 2:01:02.400 Yes, exactly, Like every single moment, every little comment from 2:01:02.440 --> 2:01:03.000 a director. 2:01:03.120 --> 2:01:03.600 I love that. 2:01:04.080 --> 2:01:07.680 We love the specifics that said, if you made an 2:01:07.680 --> 2:01:09.880 episode twenty years ago, we would still like you to 2:01:09.920 --> 2:01:12.040 be on the show. If you don't know, yeah, we'll 2:01:12.080 --> 2:01:12.360 have you. 2:01:13.200 --> 2:01:16.320 Yeah. Oh I wouldn't know about the double Hallas. I 2:01:16.360 --> 2:01:18.000 would be like, can we eat this for real? Like 2:01:18.040 --> 2:01:20.360 I would just be happy there's holla around. Yeah, I 2:01:20.480 --> 2:01:26.600 really that failing my Jewish tests here, but that. 2:01:26.680 --> 2:01:29.560 Was awesome and uh, I guess yeah, we could just 2:01:29.600 --> 2:01:30.280 go right into it. 2:01:30.520 --> 2:01:32.440 Do you know what? I think so much about the 2:01:32.520 --> 2:01:35.560 Camp of Bronwyn and just the sort like there's just 2:01:35.600 --> 2:01:39.080 so much that I do. I did forget that Yeats 2:01:39.200 --> 2:01:42.560 is like an animal, you know what I mean, Like 2:01:42.720 --> 2:01:46.320 he really did fuck her up, and Rednick is the 2:01:46.400 --> 2:01:49.520 sweet soul murder of you know, he did, you know, 2:01:49.680 --> 2:01:53.760 decapitate a woman but somehow let her go. Yeah. Yeah, 2:01:53.800 --> 2:01:56.879 and for being so wealthy. It is weird that Rudnick 2:01:57.120 --> 2:01:59.880 works as a medical examiner like it. 2:02:00.160 --> 2:02:03.000 Ask my question though, do we think Rudnick has killed 2:02:03.000 --> 2:02:05.840 a bunch of times since the killing when he was young, 2:02:06.400 --> 2:02:07.720 like years he gets. 2:02:07.520 --> 2:02:10.880 His jolly is off, like dissecting, just doing. 2:02:10.600 --> 2:02:12.480 This stuff in the morgue, Like do you think he's 2:02:12.560 --> 2:02:15.080 kind of like that's what he figured out was his 2:02:15.280 --> 2:02:18.400 like way to like stop his urges to kill, was 2:02:18.400 --> 2:02:19.480 like working in the morgue. 2:02:19.520 --> 2:02:21.680 And then the next person he kills. 2:02:21.760 --> 2:02:25.800 Yes, of course he murders and like like chops up 2:02:26.280 --> 2:02:31.040 the the Yates's wife or baby mama whatever, but like 2:02:31.160 --> 2:02:33.680 before in between them, do you think he kills. 2:02:33.400 --> 2:02:36.520 The way Yates like has to kill. I don't know. 2:02:38.520 --> 2:02:42.320 Yeah, he's like most conscience if he lets Bronwin go, 2:02:43.160 --> 2:02:46.440 whereas Yates is an animal, like you said, yeah, he 2:02:46.680 --> 2:02:47.160 needs it. 2:02:47.680 --> 2:02:50.760 Yeah. This I mean not to keep talking about Luigi, 2:02:50.800 --> 2:02:53.520 but it is like when you know, we're into murder 2:02:53.560 --> 2:02:56.560 now it's like we're like, listen, Rudnick, he figured it out. 2:02:57.040 --> 2:02:59.960 I just what are the chances that, like we were 2:03:00.200 --> 2:03:03.360 did this interview while a nationwide manhunt was concluding. 2:03:03.440 --> 2:03:06.560 It's just like very you know, it's very coincidental. I 2:03:06.600 --> 2:03:06.960 love it. 2:03:07.200 --> 2:03:09.880 But post mortem on this episode, I mean, I don't 2:03:09.880 --> 2:03:12.240 know how much takeaway there is for the average person. 2:03:12.320 --> 2:03:14.840 Don't start a love affair with a serial killer. Don't 2:03:14.840 --> 2:03:17.080 do it twice. I don't know, Like, don't do it 2:03:17.160 --> 2:03:20.040 two times, like they're going to lock you in the 2:03:20.040 --> 2:03:21.720 trunk of a car and drive away. 2:03:22.760 --> 2:03:26.240 They don't. Yeah, they're they are criminals who got caught 2:03:26.320 --> 2:03:29.480 who want to not be caught. Like stop, stop, it's 2:03:29.560 --> 2:03:34.480 not real. You know, we really drill into opposites. Attract 2:03:34.560 --> 2:03:37.200 or love can find you anywhere. But let's say prison's 2:03:37.240 --> 2:03:38.040 not it prison? 2:03:39.680 --> 2:03:42.120 Do you think, like the guy that didn't die and 2:03:42.200 --> 2:03:45.320 now I'm forgetting because their names are so interchangeable in 2:03:45.360 --> 2:03:48.880 the Dana Mora escape, like he just like sits in 2:03:48.880 --> 2:03:51.520 prison every day and thinks about ways that the plan 2:03:51.600 --> 2:03:56.480 got fucked up because like I mean, wow, because it's 2:03:56.520 --> 2:03:59.000 like you're not gonna the stars are not gonna align 2:03:59.040 --> 2:04:01.000 that way. Again bro, and so they're probably keeping a 2:04:01.120 --> 2:04:03.120 serious watch on you. 2:04:02.640 --> 2:04:04.920 Now when it wasn't fun, like that's the whole thing. 2:04:04.960 --> 2:04:06.240 It's like, well, I don't know what it's like to 2:04:06.240 --> 2:04:09.280 be so captives that Like maybe that was fun, but 2:04:09.360 --> 2:04:12.440 like fighting for your life at night in the woods 2:04:12.480 --> 2:04:16.200 just doesn't even seem that more enjoyable than like getting 2:04:16.280 --> 2:04:18.880 fucked in the tailor room. I don't know. 2:04:20.480 --> 2:04:22.760 Yeah, they kind of walked away from a good situation 2:04:22.880 --> 2:04:23.440 that they had. 2:04:23.680 --> 2:04:26.040 I know, it was life, but it's like this woman 2:04:26.160 --> 2:04:28.720 was paying off debt, Like it seems like people were 2:04:29.120 --> 2:04:31.080 the employees were down to fuck, like. 2:04:31.600 --> 2:04:38.640 Overall, few cheeseburgers, like, come on, like it wasn't that bad. Wow, 2:04:38.960 --> 2:04:43.600 this one wild, I mean, just such a wild episode, uh, 2:04:43.800 --> 2:04:48.960 bringing back Bronwyn, linking together multiple serial killers bringing a 2:04:49.000 --> 2:04:50.920 world c I remember when I watched this when it 2:04:50.960 --> 2:04:53.600 was first on, being like I wonder how much the 2:04:53.600 --> 2:04:57.800 police departments of Chicago and New York actually interface, you know, 2:04:58.000 --> 2:05:00.800 like how much are they actually working on crimes of 2:05:00.880 --> 2:05:03.840 a killer that just works between those two places, like 2:05:03.920 --> 2:05:06.600 dick Wolf makes it seem like they are just side 2:05:06.640 --> 2:05:11.240 by side squads. But you know, maybe maybe a lot 2:05:11.240 --> 2:05:13.640 of people got into Chicago p D from this who knows. 2:05:14.680 --> 2:05:17.360 Yeah, I want to know do crossovers work, like do 2:05:17.440 --> 2:05:18.680 the lead and so I mean, I'll tell you the 2:05:18.680 --> 2:05:20.840 greatest of all time was Beverly Hills Housewives and the 2:05:20.880 --> 2:05:25.520 vander Pump Rules. But I really can't think of any other, like, oh, 2:05:25.680 --> 2:05:29.360 I gotta get into this one that never yeah, has 2:05:29.400 --> 2:05:32.160 a crossover. I'm usually like piss, it didn't even work 2:05:32.200 --> 2:05:35.520 for organized crime and I'm an SBU podcast, Like, yeah, 2:05:35.840 --> 2:05:39.480 you'd think I want Maloney back in my life. Yeah, 2:05:39.640 --> 2:05:40.560 I mean it did for me. 2:05:40.640 --> 2:05:43.840 I'm still a season behind though, so we'll see if 2:05:43.880 --> 2:05:45.560 I catch up. I'm gonna try to catch up up 2:05:45.600 --> 2:05:47.600 with that over the holidays. Actually, just like do a 2:05:47.680 --> 2:05:51.400 day of just watching OC NonStop Maloney in my face 2:05:51.440 --> 2:05:53.080 the whole time, because I do like it. 2:05:52.960 --> 2:05:53.560 It is good. 2:05:53.760 --> 2:05:56.400 But yeah, I got like I was. It depends if 2:05:56.400 --> 2:05:58.920 we're talking about crossover versus spinoff. I mean from nine 2:05:58.960 --> 2:06:01.800 O two one, oh, I went right into melrose Place 2:06:01.840 --> 2:06:04.000 and like all these other like that was a crossover. 2:06:04.240 --> 2:06:07.760 Like there were some crossovers get me sometimes, but yeah, 2:06:07.960 --> 2:06:11.280 vander Pump and Beverly Hills is uh that's a good one. 2:06:11.640 --> 2:06:14.880 I realized that melrose Place and nine O two one 2:06:15.080 --> 2:06:19.080 zero were linked outside of just Aaron spelling, like, I 2:06:19.080 --> 2:06:20.360 didn't realize there was crossover. 2:06:20.840 --> 2:06:24.840 Yes, Jake, the main hottie on melrose Place was like 2:06:25.000 --> 2:06:29.280 in a flirtation with Kelly on Beverly Hills Rid Toto. 2:06:29.400 --> 2:06:30.520 So that's how it's popped off. 2:06:31.040 --> 2:06:35.040 Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Grant Show. 2:06:35.120 --> 2:06:36.440 Oh my god, I used to watch I used to 2:06:36.480 --> 2:06:38.840 watch melrose and Beverly Hills. I loved them so much. 2:06:39.400 --> 2:06:41.880 But what do you think? Should we move on to 2:06:41.880 --> 2:06:44.320 what would Sister Peg Do? Yeah? 2:06:44.600 --> 2:06:46.760 Yeah, so this week, so what would mister Peg Do? 2:06:46.880 --> 2:06:49.600 Our weekly segment where we direct you towards an article, 2:06:49.640 --> 2:06:52.480 a book, an organization, something to give you more info 2:06:52.520 --> 2:06:54.800 about what we talked about in today's episode. We wanted 2:06:54.840 --> 2:06:57.800 to obviously point you to the mini series Escape at 2:06:57.840 --> 2:07:00.400 Dana Mora, like we described it in the episode. It 2:07:00.440 --> 2:07:03.720 stars Paul Dano, Benicio del Toro, and Patricia Arquette. 2:07:03.680 --> 2:07:04.839 It's directed by Ben Siller. 2:07:05.000 --> 2:07:07.320 It like was nominated and I think won a bunch 2:07:07.360 --> 2:07:10.320 of awards, and it's now on Netflix. So if you're 2:07:10.320 --> 2:07:12.880 looking for something to watch in these last few days 2:07:12.920 --> 2:07:15.760 of holiday break escape a Dana Mora give you more 2:07:15.760 --> 2:07:19.200 info on uh that that escape may help you visualize 2:07:19.200 --> 2:07:21.800 the whole escape, and that will be posted the day 2:07:21.840 --> 2:07:24.400 this episode comes out in our stories Saved Forever, in 2:07:24.480 --> 2:07:28.040 our WWSPD highlight on our Instagram page. 2:07:28.200 --> 2:07:30.640 You know, I was talking shit about how I don't 2:07:30.680 --> 2:07:34.800 want another Jean Vine like Ramsey show, you know, but 2:07:34.840 --> 2:07:37.360 I talked to someone who watched and said their opinion 2:07:37.440 --> 2:07:40.160 to change. Interesting. 2:07:41.080 --> 2:07:43.600 So yeah, it's like a lot of people said their 2:07:43.640 --> 2:07:46.120 opinion changed about Casey Anthony when they watched that one, 2:07:46.120 --> 2:07:49.120 and I just I just can't change my opinion. 2:07:49.160 --> 2:07:51.480 I don't think on that one. But maybe I'm wrong. No, 2:07:51.680 --> 2:07:54.600 she did it and she got away with it. And yeah, 2:07:54.640 --> 2:07:56.360 if you commit a crime, I would try to hire 2:07:56.520 --> 2:07:59.720 that lawyer. Like I don't have to tell you. Next 2:07:59.720 --> 2:08:04.200 week we will be doing Prodigy. I'm excited, Season three, 2:08:04.560 --> 2:08:09.120 episode thirteen, and we'll see you in the New Year. Wow. 2:08:09.200 --> 2:08:09.879 How special. 2:08:10.640 --> 2:08:13.960 Happy New Year's Eve everybody, and we'll see you in 2:08:13.960 --> 2:08:14.720 twenty twenty five. 2:08:14.840 --> 2:08:26.400 Bye. 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