Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories,
Speaker 2: done done, Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Lisa and I'm Kara, And every week
Speaker 1: we break down an episode of Law and Order SVU
Speaker 1: the true crime it was based on, and talk to
Speaker 1: a guest from the episode. But first we catch up.
Speaker 1: And today is New Year's Eve. It's the last day
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four. Wow, yeah, let me it all up.
Speaker 2: You don't know when it's all gonna not happen anymore, so.
Speaker 1: We are, yeah, enjoy it could be our final New
Speaker 1: Year's Eve. I don't know what's happening fucking next year.
Speaker 1: I'm nervous. I feel like we're in this like weird.
Speaker 2: Quai terriffs, like the terriffs, the terror problems. But I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess I'll just keep going out to eat till
Speaker 2: I can't anymore. Yeah, when tomatoes are gonna be so
Speaker 2: so much? Yeah. Well, I also I obviously need to
Speaker 2: shout out you know, we're in the time Machine. But
Speaker 2: thanks everyone for coming to Cincinnati. It was fun. Someone
Speaker 2: gave me something. I'm just gonna show it to you
Speaker 2: and then your reaction, Okay, gonna be like part of
Speaker 2: I think, the excitement forever. Okay for me and everyone. Okay,
Speaker 2: are you ready? What is it?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? This is amazing. Okay, well I need
Speaker 1: you to take a picture of it and send it
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: To put up.
Speaker 1: Like basically, it's the Era's Tour, the classic eras tor
Speaker 1: shirt of Tailor, but it's John Munch and it's the
Speaker 1: eras of John Munch and that is so fucking good.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's always pull out all the stuffs. You have
Speaker 1: really great gifts. It's amazing. Yeah, you're gonna love this one.
Speaker 2: It's a bracelet and it says hogpat Men's top yarn.
Speaker 1: Oh this is the riddle from from the Homeless Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, oh my god. Yes. And I don't expect
Speaker 2: any you know, it's always like just come to the show.
Speaker 2: It was like in an abandoned church. It was like
Speaker 2: super fun. I really loved being there and I ate
Speaker 2: the best chicken schnitzer I've ever had in my fucking life.
Speaker 2: At a place called Tuba's like if you were ever,
Speaker 2: I'm the Kentucky Cincinnati border. Holy fucking chip. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But also someone made me ornaments that are each one
Speaker 2: is a Taylor Swift album. So wow. And she like
Speaker 2: threw it because it was nervous, like ornaments are delicate,
Speaker 2: but it was it was great. Threw it up to
Speaker 2: you like on the stage. No, they're like plastic, like
Speaker 2: she made them unbreakable, Like she's just like you could
Speaker 2: toss them around type of vibes. So it's really exciting.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 1: Love that, yes, because I every year break a ornament
Speaker 1: that is very dear to me, and this year was
Speaker 1: no exception. Just smashed one by accident. Yeah, when we
Speaker 1: were decorating the tree. It just fell, just fell off
Speaker 1: the tree and it hit a stool and it smashed
Speaker 1: into a million pieces.
Speaker 2: You know, what are we gonna do? What are we
Speaker 2: gonna do? Wait?
Speaker 1: I feel like I know we're in the time machine
Speaker 1: and you guys are gonna think this is so out
Speaker 1: of date, But you also are gonna be like, why
Speaker 1: have it you talked about this and we have to
Speaker 1: talk about Luigi. I mean, I don't buy it, like
Speaker 1: you don't buy what that it's him. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's bigger.
Speaker 2: I like he was doesn't look health and good at everything,
Speaker 2: and then had all the evidence on him in public,
Speaker 2: just in Pennsylvania, Like it makes no sense. Wait, girl, Also, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think the guy they brought in, while he is
Speaker 1: very handsome, looks like the guy in the photos with
Speaker 1: the half the face covered. I don't really see the resemblance.
Speaker 1: And that's what I said yesterday. I go, this guy
Speaker 1: fucking got out of Manhattan. He got out of like
Speaker 1: such a busy city where everybody was looking for him.
Speaker 1: He ditched the backpack full of the monopoly money, he
Speaker 1: had the bullets, he had shit written on the bullets,
Speaker 1: like he was meticulous. And then he's just gonna stroll
Speaker 1: into a McDonald when there's a nationwide man hunt for him,
Speaker 1: like kind of nuts.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, well, see, I don't think it's him. I don't.
Speaker 2: I hope it's not him. I want out more. I
Speaker 2: think I hope it's a decoy. But I wonder it
Speaker 2: is funny to like that you could see people's social
Speaker 2: media and like his Spotify and then he likes Carly
Speaker 2: Ray Jepsy. Yeah he I mean me and him have
Speaker 2: a lot in common. We love a happy meal, so
Speaker 2: it's like it's wild. I don't know. I like the jokes,
Speaker 2: but I guess it's serious. I don't know what's the thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I know. I'm all over the place.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, like he just shot this
Speaker 1: man in broad daylight. But then also like insurance companies
Speaker 1: are evil, Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: But I mean someone told me that their theory is
Speaker 2: that a wife hired a hitman, his wife wants to
Speaker 2: kill him and it's all fick. I was like, I'll
Speaker 2: get it done in New York.
Speaker 1: It'll be wait and the wife is hooking up with Luigi.
Speaker 1: I just I was sad that they caught him because like,
Speaker 1: as we're recording this, they just caught him, And I
Speaker 1: was like, I really could have had this go on
Speaker 1: for a couple more weeks, Like I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: thought they were in danger. He's only going after CEOs,
Speaker 1: Like I you know, I would have loved to have
Speaker 1: seen a few more sightings, a few more high.
Speaker 2: L Tuna Pennsylvania. Like for some reason, I just don't
Speaker 2: buy that he would be so out in the open
Speaker 2: and not like yeah, eleven for a McDonald's. Like, there's
Speaker 2: no fucking way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, why don't you just put one of
Speaker 1: those like gator things over your face, like and like
Speaker 1: it's cold in Pennsylvania and go through the drive through?
Speaker 1: Like no one would even think about that, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if someone was like, pluck.
Speaker 2: Your eyebrows, babe, I mean, I don't know. We'll see
Speaker 2: what happens. But also I guess in New Jersey there's
Speaker 2: like drones. There's like some sort of flying saucer things
Speaker 2: flying in the trees, and there's sightings and the government
Speaker 2: has confirmed it's something it might be hostile, like they're
Speaker 2: trying to claim it's aliens. I'm like, no, they're trying
Speaker 2: to see how much they could spy on us. I think,
Speaker 2: I mean the government's sending things. Oh my god, have
Speaker 2: you not seen any of this. There's like, oh, okay, Jersey,
Speaker 2: unidentified drones light up New Jersey skies, baffling residents, bizarre
Speaker 2: phenomenon flying objects, and the government is like, for sure,
Speaker 2: but I think it's them trying to test out waste
Speaker 2: to like us spy on us. Like I think there's
Speaker 2: gonna be what is it called.
Speaker 1: Oh well, they said that the fucking weather balloon that
Speaker 1: they found was China. You think it's like that kind
Speaker 1: of thing, or you think it's like it's coming from
Speaker 1: inside the house. It's like our government's buying.
Speaker 2: I mean, it might be aliens or it's I think
Speaker 2: it's our government figuring out like how to do curfews eventually,
Speaker 2: or spy on people or emit a loud noise. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there was a loud noise. I mean, and Jersey's like
Speaker 2: asking for help.
Speaker 1: New Jersey's like, can somebody help us figure this out? Wow? Wow,
Speaker 1: this is an hour ago. New Jersey senator calls for
Speaker 1: a limited state of emergency.
Speaker 2: Jesus.
Speaker 1: I mean, when this comes out, you guys will all
Speaker 1: know that the aliens have landed or whatever. But like
Speaker 1: I'm experiencing us in the time machine right now.
Speaker 2: I don't want it. I mean, they're like, don't don't
Speaker 2: fuck with it. The aliens can be hostile, but it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, why would they just be chilling in
Speaker 2: Jersey in the trees like this so low to the ground,
Speaker 2: And how did no one shoot them down in Jersey?
Speaker 2: No One's like I got it, Like I just yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't get I don't get it. Yeah, did you
Speaker 2: see them at Melissa Gorga has released a line of
Speaker 2: sprinkle cookies. I did see that, lame get an identity
Speaker 2: outside of your sister in law. I know I'm going
Speaker 2: to be Tea Teresa like you want to be away
Speaker 2: from her? You're away from her. It's her quote, She's
Speaker 2: the one that got mad. Why are you doing this?
Speaker 2: And they don't look good. Don't they look good? They
Speaker 2: don't look good. I don't they look dry like I
Speaker 2: don't want one. Oh my god, this reminds me I
Speaker 2: have to order my Italian cookies for Christmas.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Do you always go to
Speaker 1: the same place of course?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, yeah, yeah, you got a spot. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll shot at Circo's pastry shop. And I love them
Speaker 2: so amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of like, yeah, Luigi has been
Speaker 1: really taking up a lot of my thoughts.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm thinking fan like erotic fan fiction, like I
Speaker 2: would I bet there are people masturbating for sure, to
Speaker 2: the idea of like seeing him being like I'll hold
Speaker 2: you at the house and like, you know, giving it
Speaker 2: all and then you fall in love. I think there's
Speaker 2: a movie called Labor Day that's totally this. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I think that's the movie. Is it Casey it's
Speaker 2: Josh bah okay, and Kate Winslet knows he's a criminal
Speaker 2: and she's housing him and it's hot. Okay, so not
Speaker 2: on original, yeah, but yeah, this is like hot and horny.
Speaker 2: This is awesome. Like everyone likes the way he cocks
Speaker 2: that gun. Wow, Okay, you don't feel like, well, I
Speaker 2: wonder if he's gay or not, Like I just yeah,
Speaker 2: everyone loves his body like it is cool, like you
Speaker 2: get like everyone's.
Speaker 1: Like yes, and immediately everybody's like Ryan Murphy's salivating over this,
Speaker 1: like because he's and like you know, he did like
Speaker 1: the Versace murders.
Speaker 2: It's like, way, I mean, did you see the Kiki
Speaker 2: Palmer thing. She didn't say who it was, but she's
Speaker 2: promoting her book and she did an interview on the
Speaker 2: set of Screen Queen. She's talking about how it's like
Speaker 2: toxic and crazy and how there was like distress on set,
Speaker 2: like people weren't getting along, and she did a thing
Speaker 2: where she was just like, hey, guys, like let's you know,
Speaker 2: like kumbayah kind of thing. You know, she's very inspirational,
Speaker 2: so she was just trying to like get good energy.
Speaker 2: And she does an impression that's someone she doesn't name them,
Speaker 2: but it has to be Leah Michelle or Emma Roberts,
Speaker 2: but I guess they went Kiki, don't who do you
Speaker 2: think you are? Martin fucking Luther King? And Keky Palmer though,
Speaker 2: is like the way she says it. I've watched it
Speaker 2: dozens of times, like her, her cadence, like everything about
Speaker 2: her is like perfection, and I keep watching it, and
Speaker 2: so the way she mouths it, I'm like, it's Leah Michelle,
Speaker 2: but like they both and then she goes, I was gagged.
Speaker 2: She goes, I was gagged. I could not believe. I
Speaker 2: just got like read racially and I had nothing to say.
Speaker 1: I feel like it is her because I feel like,
Speaker 1: when all the cancelation stuff about Liah Michelle came up,
Speaker 1: people were saying that she said microaggressive and aggressive stuff
Speaker 1: to Kiki on the set of Scream Queens, but we
Speaker 1: didn't have anything specific at the time. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: think it's definitely Liah Michelle, but.
Speaker 2: It's like Kaky don't, like I don't know it's like incredible.
Speaker 2: I'm loving all the press. I need to watch that.
Speaker 1: I need to see that, like that video that hasn't
Speaker 1: come across. I'll be honest. My entire Explore page is wicked.
Speaker 1: It is still wicked. It's like wicked interviews. I'm obsessed
Speaker 1: with both Cynthia and Ariana coming out after and being
Speaker 1: like we didn't know what was going on either, with
Speaker 1: the woman talking about holding space, like I love that
Speaker 1: they're just like embracing how crazy that was them talking
Speaker 1: to this like sassy little girl who's like interviewing them
Speaker 1: and like taking pictures with that.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just I'm getting all the press. Still.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like the movie's been out for two
Speaker 1: weeks and it's still fully flooding my timeline and I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not mad.
Speaker 2: I love the choreography. I also think I might get
Speaker 2: into Arianna's album that came out this year. I really
Speaker 2: skipped it, but it's on all the top lists, like
Speaker 2: people really love it, so I think I gotta. And
Speaker 2: I've seen her lot. I mean, I love Ariana. The
Speaker 2: Golden Globe nominations came out. I hope she wins. I
Speaker 2: hope Wicked gets or the substance. I mean, there's just
Speaker 2: so much cool stuff here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw a clip of Demi Moore being really excited
Speaker 1: she got her nomination for Golden Globe.
Speaker 2: I think that's so cute. Yeah, it's really a thrill.
Speaker 2: And I'm excited to see Nicki Glazer host. I think
Speaker 2: she's gonna kill it. Like yeah, I think it's like
Speaker 2: decades of prep has hit this moment of hopefully killing it.
Speaker 2: I mean people notoriously bomb, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think Nikki also is like you have
Speaker 1: to have that like good line of like self deprecating
Speaker 1: but also confidence, and I think she has that, whereas
Speaker 1: Joe Cooy went in being like I'm one of you,
Speaker 1: I'm awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think it works out for him.
Speaker 1: And so I think, like, yeah, I think she'll I
Speaker 1: think she'll nail it probably. I mean this is her year, right,
Speaker 1: best year of her life, the Roast, the Globes, it's
Speaker 1: all happening.
Speaker 2: Cool. I can't wait. Yeah, Yeah, I'm into this Award season.
Speaker 2: I saw some I mean, yeah, the songs, we'll see,
Speaker 2: we'll see what goes down. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Should we get started with the episode I can't believe
Speaker 1: that we're doing this episode after a nationwide manhunt just
Speaker 1: started in our area, in our country.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Well. I was talking to someone and they're like, do
Speaker 2: you think this is just like a big deal because
Speaker 2: we're in New York. I go, nah, honey, this isn't
Speaker 2: this is big news.
Speaker 1: No, we're all looking and you know what's crazy too,
Speaker 1: It's like it's bringing people together. Like Ben Shapiro tried
Speaker 1: to release like like an episode of his podcast where
Speaker 1: he was like, the bloodthirsty liberal elite are are like
Speaker 1: celebrating the murder of this man, and all these people
Speaker 1: underneath are like, nope, I'm a conservative and I'm celebrating it.
Speaker 1: Like all these people are like, nope, it's all of us.
Speaker 1: It's all of us. Like so it's yeah, it's sadly,
Speaker 1: it's sadly uniting the country in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: It it really is. But I was like going off
Speaker 2: on a friend's pot and he was like, you're you're
Speaker 2: having a special come out. Relax. He's like stop talking
Speaker 2: like this. I'm like, I want blood in the streets.
Speaker 2: You're like this has to be after your special.
Speaker 1: Wait are you are you allowed to announce.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's gonna come out January twenty eighth, So
Speaker 2: put it on your like reminders or notifications and watch it.
Speaker 2: I definitely want people to watch it. But also you
Speaker 2: can put it on as you leave the house, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. And then as soon as you're
Speaker 1: done watching it, start it up and go out put
Speaker 1: it on you keep it on an app running on
Speaker 1: your phone. We'd love it to get the no we
Speaker 1: wanted to be.
Speaker 2: We want it to.
Speaker 1: Let's let's all rally, let's all watch it. It would be
Speaker 1: awesome for it to, like, you know, be one of
Speaker 1: the hot comedy specials coming out on Netflix. I'm so
Speaker 1: excited to see it. What are you calling it? It's
Speaker 1: called night Owl. Okay, I thought that's what I thought,
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to say the wrong thing. Night Owl,
Speaker 1: Lisa Tragger exciting. I can't wait. So yeah, this comes
Speaker 1: out the thirty first, so it'll be coming out like
Speaker 1: four weeks later. Okay, Well that's so great. All right,
Speaker 1: should we get started? Well, I guess I should say,
Speaker 1: you know, like, happy New Year.
Speaker 2: I hope it's fun, chill, safe, positive and yeah.
Speaker 1: And yeah, hopefully you're listening to this while you get
Speaker 1: ready to go out to a fun party or you
Speaker 1: get ready to sit your ass on the couch and
Speaker 1: just do nothing.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, thanks.
Speaker 1: For another year of listening to our pod and being
Speaker 1: cool and you guys are the best. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't have any resolutions stacked up yet. No, it's
Speaker 1: only surviving. Yeah, yeah, survival, that's all we're trying to do.
Speaker 2: Then getting it in. But happy new Year to all
Speaker 2: of you.
Speaker 1: Yes, done done, Happy New Year to all.
Speaker 2: And then let's get started with today's epp.
Speaker 1: Okay, we are doing today nationwide Manhunt, which is season seventeen,
Speaker 1: episode fourteen, and does connect to two episodes we covered recently,
Speaker 1: Devil's Dissections and criminal Pathology.
Speaker 2: So if you're glad you have those long fucking war enlightenings.
Speaker 2: That's too many words for only three episodes, and they're
Speaker 2: not in a row, right, they like bounced around? No,
Speaker 2: they know, like those are at the beginning of the season,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: And then now we're like, you know, like fourteen episode,
Speaker 1: thirteen episodes later or something, and we're following up and yes,
Speaker 1: Lisa did right in our it's Hulu thirteen.
Speaker 2: Ugh, because if you watch on Hulu.
Speaker 1: They make The Devil's dis Sections of Criminal Pathology one episode,
Speaker 1: so these are all off but this is episode fourteen.
Speaker 2: Just check if you're watching on Hulu anyway. We have
Speaker 2: done the episode the next yes, yeah, we have Doank
Speaker 2: Abraham one pip A Coox.
Speaker 1: Oh, and the one after this is also yeah, so
Speaker 1: if you start watching that, you'll be like, they already
Speaker 1: did this one.
Speaker 2: Seventeen has a lot. Wanna say, I've watched this one.
Speaker 2: I feel like so much because I watched it to
Speaker 2: get ready for What's Muggsy Caine? What's Kevin Kane? Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's like his handle, so like so like I've
Speaker 2: watched it for him, and then we had Rudnick on.
Speaker 2: I watched all of his episodes. So I feel like
Speaker 2: for some reason, I have watched this so much that
Speaker 2: I was second guessing when I put it on. I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I already do this, or do we
Speaker 2: make a huge mistake? But that's done. It not so weird.
Speaker 2: We have a great guest too, It's kind of exciting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like I've zmed with our guests. When the
Speaker 2: like our podcast was episode one or two, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: one of the first people we talked to online and
Speaker 2: I can't believe the time has come. But yes, the
Speaker 2: time has come.
Speaker 1: But also I feel like there's a weird Mandela effect
Speaker 1: or something with our podcast where people will be like,
Speaker 1: I feel like you've covered this episode. Haven't you covered
Speaker 1: this episode? And I'm like, we haven't. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like when you think you can't believe it's Barren Stain
Speaker 1: Bears instead of Berenstein Bear, you know, like, I don't
Speaker 1: know Mandela effect, but that happens a lot. But this
Speaker 1: is Yeah, this is a good one.
Speaker 2: So a lot of heavy hitters, a lot of crossover.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really like a busy episode so much.
Speaker 2: In fact, it is a Chicago PD crossover. So I do.
Speaker 1: I will give you guys the full synopsis at the
Speaker 1: end of the Charicago PED episode very quickly. Not a
Speaker 1: full recap, but so this episode, we open on the
Speaker 1: kitchen of someone who has been hard at work. Okay,
Speaker 1: my kitchen does not look like this. The counter is
Speaker 1: covered in an ingredients, sauce is spilled, spices are returned.
Speaker 2: Someone is pulling all my I do have to say,
Speaker 2: you know, how I mentioned the dish podcasts and how
Speaker 2: I was like, love you. We've been getting a lot
Speaker 2: of comments from listeners. I love it. I've been getting
Speaker 2: all these messages. This broadcaster someone wrote to me. They're
Speaker 2: like the way you talked about him. I looked him up.
Speaker 2: He's a national treasure. He has over a million followers.
Speaker 2: He's like Britain's little broadcasting angel with the BBC for decades.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, who's this little podcaster? It
Speaker 2: was this guy. I think it's because she has all
Speaker 2: these Michelin stars and she's doing the cooking that and
Speaker 2: and it's because the way he talked about it, but
Speaker 2: it just shows that parents are crazy. But that he
Speaker 2: was just saying on one of the episodes how his
Speaker 2: parents are like when are you gonna get a real job?
Speaker 2: You know you just talking to a mic and so
Speaker 2: I assumed he was like early in his career. But yeah,
Speaker 2: he's like very very well known, very well known. So
Speaker 2: that's embarrassing for me.
Speaker 1: Well, I got to listen to that because or watch
Speaker 1: the shorts. I guess everybody is so into it that has.
Speaker 2: Been writing us.
Speaker 1: But anyway, these people they should have next, they should
Speaker 1: have this next character on their podcast, because she is
Speaker 1: pulling a delicious lasagna out of the oven. And when
Speaker 1: we get a look at her, it is none other
Speaker 1: than Bronwyn Freed, who we you remember her as Bronwin Freed.
Speaker 1: Now she's Bronwin Freed Wilkins. We'll get into it later
Speaker 1: and you may remember her. We met her in season fifteen.
Speaker 1: She was a juror on the William Lewis case. Who
Speaker 1: that who clearly they've done this on us for you
Speaker 1: a bunch of times, but like clearly is entering into
Speaker 1: a flirtation with William Lewis in the courtroom, then corresponds
Speaker 1: with him from in prison, then sneaks him propranolol frosted
Speaker 1: cupcakes which help him escape, and then she later testifies
Speaker 1: against Benson's use of force against William Lewis. Like she's
Speaker 1: a real pick me girl, and she literally, I think,
Speaker 1: is up there with Bing Bang Bong as like one
Speaker 1: of the most hated SCU characters you know, and she
Speaker 1: you will remember that at the end of Criminal Pathology,
Speaker 1: she's just sitting in the courtroom when Rudnick is getting
Speaker 1: his entering his plea or getting his guilty verdict. At
Speaker 1: the very end of this of the episode, she's just
Speaker 1: at the trial as a spectator, like nodding along. So
Speaker 1: you're like, hm, why, like why they're planting a seed
Speaker 1: baby for season episode fourteen. So now she's baking lasagna
Speaker 1: and she's obviously up to no good because this is SBU.
Speaker 1: It's not top chef, Like, we're not just watching a
Speaker 1: woman bake a lasagna for fun. We see her place
Speaker 1: a fat stack of cash in a ziploc bag and
Speaker 1: then tuck it into the lasagna like on the bottom.
Speaker 1: She does the same for a flip phone, some tiny
Speaker 1: little saws, and then paint brushes.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is her whole night.
Speaker 1: This lady is having a time like uh and they
Speaker 1: had an edible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she had an edible.
Speaker 1: She's probably got a podcast on, and she is making
Speaker 1: a little lasagna filled with treats. So we cut to
Speaker 1: Benson on the phone with the Chicago PD guy with
Speaker 1: like the insanely gravelly voice named.
Speaker 2: Voight who's always like Benson, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and she's telling him, oh, well, Yates is saying
Speaker 1: he can id some of the bones that we found
Speaker 1: in Pelham Bay, and he's saying that they're Midwestern runaways
Speaker 1: and he wants to talk to Rollins about it, but
Speaker 1: Benson's like, I don't want her my bestie playing Chlorice
Speaker 1: Starling anymore. And basically she's like, so could you send
Speaker 1: your hot detective over here aka Aaron Lindsay who is
Speaker 1: Sophia Bush of One Tree Hill Fame and now Chicago
Speaker 1: p D Fame. I guess, And she still hasn't forgiven
Speaker 1: herself for what Yates did to Nadia. If you'll remember
Speaker 1: from the episode day Dream a lot of yeah, this
Speaker 1: is really yeah. If you guys remember the episode where
Speaker 1: we talked to Dallas Roberts, who plays Gregory Yates, is
Speaker 1: called Daydream Believer, and that was another Chicago ped crossover
Speaker 1: where he takes a Chicago PD gal, drives her to
Speaker 1: New York, murders her, and then we find out that
Speaker 1: he's like killed all these other people in New York
Speaker 1: as well. But he's been this guy's been bopping back
Speaker 1: and forth from Chicago, Chicago to New York, just killing
Speaker 1: people everywhere. And so now he's you know, offering them
Speaker 1: info and Ben's like, Okay, well, why don't you use
Speaker 1: your detective's trauma to get her to talk to Yates
Speaker 1: and see if she can, like you know, use her,
Speaker 1: use her trauma to get more info out of him.
Speaker 1: So now we cut to Lindsay in a cab and
Speaker 1: he wasted no time sending her to New York. And
Speaker 1: don't worry, she is not alone. She's with Detective Antonio
Speaker 1: Dawson as well, and she's having flashbacks the whole time
Speaker 1: about her friendship with Nadia. Just in case you are
Speaker 1: watching and you don't know what's going on. She's like
Speaker 1: remembering how they found Nadia. I think I think Nadia
Speaker 1: has a similar backstory to Lindsay, where she came from
Speaker 1: the street and was brought on to start.
Speaker 2: Working at the police department.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we cut to green Haven Correctional Facility, which
Speaker 1: is a real prison.
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, they do use real prisons.
Speaker 1: It's a real prison where Yates is looking at photos
Speaker 1: of bones and you know, obviously looking horny as hell,
Speaker 1: Like as soon as he sees any dead body torture pictures,
Speaker 1: he's like, oh my god, he's so hot for it.
Speaker 1: He says, the girls were driven from Chicago.
Speaker 2: That's actually how he got found Gil right, didn't he
Speaker 2: get too horny on the stand looking at the mountain?
Speaker 1: They basically yeah, they basically.
Speaker 2: Lured him the slam dunk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they lured his hormone monster out of him with
Speaker 1: like photos of tortured dead girls and he was like, yes,
Speaker 1: so that is the big slim dunk. And he says
Speaker 1: the girls from Chica were driven were you know, the
Speaker 1: way he talks when he's talking to the cops is
Speaker 1: all like hypothetical. He's like, well, yeah, these girls were
Speaker 1: probably driven from Chicago to he says that bleak Bronx boneyard,
Speaker 1: and I like the alliteration. I mean you can say
Speaker 1: that a lot of times fast, like bleak Bronx Boneyard.
Speaker 1: And he's like, isn't that where they found your friend Nadia?
Speaker 1: Like he's immediately trolling Aaron Lindsay. Dawson's like okay, dude,
Speaker 1: like we heard you had info. Cough it up, and
Speaker 1: he's just like fucking with them. He's like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: want to know about bodies, how they get there, what
Speaker 1: happened to them. And then they show him a bunch
Speaker 1: of pictures of young girls, which, of course, as we said,
Speaker 1: the horny, the horniness.
Speaker 2: Rises up again.
Speaker 1: He says, well, they probably didn't look like this when
Speaker 1: their killer met them, when they were at a truck's stop,
Speaker 1: pouring themselves out for cocaine, and I like, I don't
Speaker 1: remember Yates having this like sir vibe. Yeah, exactly, like
Speaker 1: a moral high ground. Like I thought he just kind
Speaker 1: of killed because he was like a lust killer and
Speaker 1: like they compare him to Ted Bundy a lot. I
Speaker 1: didn't think he was, Like I disagree with their lifestyle,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna kill them. But he talks, he's trolling
Speaker 1: eron again, going you must know the power of addiction,
Speaker 1: and he says, Nadia told me all about you, how
Speaker 1: Voight took you off the street and mentored you. And
Speaker 1: Lindsay's like, okay, fuck this, we're out of here. This
Speaker 1: guy's not giving us anything. And he's like, tell the warrant.
Speaker 1: I'd be much more comfy with Detective Rollins. But they're like,
Speaker 1: he's she's not coming up here, and he goes, she
Speaker 1: must have had her baby by now. I mean the
Speaker 1: way he lights up like it's his own child having
Speaker 1: a baby and he's going to be a grandpa.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, is it a boy or a girl?
Speaker 1: He's like so excited and it's so creepy how excited
Speaker 1: he is, Like this Dallas Roberts is a great actor,
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, if you want closure for these families,
Speaker 1: get Rollins here by tomorrow. So he's got a deadline. Okay,
Speaker 1: he wants to talk to this new mom bad. Now
Speaker 1: we're at the credits and at the precinct. Rollins is like,
Speaker 1: I told you I should have gone, like, I'm the
Speaker 1: Yates whisperer, and it's the whole gang. It's Rowins, Benson, Careese,
Speaker 1: Baby Dodds, plus our two Chicago PD gal and guy,
Speaker 1: Lindsay and Dawson. They're like, we've got four women. So
Speaker 1: stupid to have another Dawson in television. There's only one
Speaker 1: Dawson and he lives on a creek, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like crazy that they would do this, so true.
Speaker 1: Stop and Aaron. Lindsay is two first names. It's very
Speaker 1: she has a very hot girl. That's a very hot
Speaker 1: girl name, I feel. But we have four women who
Speaker 1: went missing around the time that Yates was living in Chicago,
Speaker 1: and one of the girls was actually a patient at
Speaker 1: his urgent care. And Lindsay's like, well he seemed to
Speaker 1: recognize her. I'm like, I don't know. He was kind
Speaker 1: of getting a mutual boner for all of the women
Speaker 1: in the photos.
Speaker 2: I never really saw any recognition.
Speaker 1: But Dodds is like, but he's a pealing his cases,
Speaker 1: like why would he confess to more crimes?
Speaker 2: And Rollins is like.
Speaker 1: You guys are fucking idiots, Like only I know how
Speaker 1: to handle serial killers. He never confesses. You got to
Speaker 1: keep the conversation hypothetical. And then he fills in the rest.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's acting like it's she's like a full
Speaker 1: like profiler. It's like, I don't really think that's that
Speaker 1: crazy of a tactic. Benson could probably do it too.
Speaker 1: So Benson caves and is like, fine, Rowins can go,
Speaker 1: but Caries you're going with. And Rolinds was like, no,
Speaker 1: let me go alone, and Benson's like no, like we've
Speaker 1: all got like his number. It's fine, we can other
Speaker 1: people can go too. So now we're at green Haven
Speaker 1: and it's actually Rudnik. We see Rudnick and another inmate
Speaker 1: sitting in a and if you'll remember, at the very
Speaker 1: end of Criminal Pathology, Yates walks up to I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Rudnick walks up to Yates in the cafeteria. So we
Speaker 1: see these two like reconnect. And now Rudnick is sitting
Speaker 1: in with another inmate in a small group therapy session
Speaker 1: and they're talking about navigating interpersonal conflict without anger or violence,
Speaker 1: and uh, look who's leading the fucking group. It's Bronwyn baby.
Speaker 1: She is like quietly therapizing that, like talking in a
Speaker 1: very gentle like everybody turned to your partner, and Rudnick
Speaker 1: and the other inmate, Jose, are talking about how they
Speaker 1: worked through a problem with one another. It's like they're
Speaker 1: kind of making a like at first, I was like forgetting.
Speaker 1: I was forgetting like the plot of this episode, and
Speaker 1: was like are they hooking up? Like why are they
Speaker 1: having this conflict? And then she pairs them off so
Speaker 1: that they can sense one another's emotions, and then Yates
Speaker 1: walks in and he's like, sorry, I'm late. I was
Speaker 1: in the law library. There's just so many inmates here
Speaker 1: who need my help. Like he's this like benefactor at
Speaker 1: the jail, at the prison. And Yates intimidates Jose, the
Speaker 1: other inmate, into skdaddling so that he can be Rudnik's
Speaker 1: empathy partner, and then Yates asks, so is missus Wilkins
Speaker 1: still bringing you those deep lasagna pans and Rudnick's like,
Speaker 1: that's not your concern, and Yeates is like, yes, it is,
Speaker 1: because you just can't beat home cooking. So what's going
Speaker 1: on between these two, let's find out. Now Outside of Greenhaven,
Speaker 1: the cops are meeting with the warden, who is Anna
Speaker 1: Devere Smith, who I love. I think I studied her
Speaker 1: in college because she's like a performance artist. And she
Speaker 1: also people know her from the West Wing. I know
Speaker 1: her as Acolitis in Nurse Jackie. She's like the president
Speaker 1: of the hospital in Nurse Jackie, who's always like a
Speaker 1: thorn in Jackie's side. And she's a member of the Academy.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, she's been voted into the Academy. I just
Speaker 1: saw that when I was glancing at her Wikipedia. So
Speaker 1: she's taking Rollin's and cares to get, like, you know,
Speaker 1: on a little walk and talk and telling them, Yah,
Speaker 1: Yates has been well behaved.
Speaker 2: He volunteers, he's a model inmate.
Speaker 1: And Cariese's like, that's kind of strange for a guy
Speaker 1: who's never getting parole, right, she goes, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the lifers get zen and try to make the
Speaker 1: best of it, or they want to get a transfer upstate.
Speaker 1: So now CARESI tells Rolins like see he chomed the Warden,
Speaker 1: classic sociopath classic, and dude, it's like, this is why
Speaker 1: she won't sleep with you, Like she knows you don't
Speaker 1: need to. Man's plain serial killers to this mindhunter bitch,
Speaker 1: you know, like she you don't need to be Like
Speaker 1: see Rollins, here's what you don't get. He's he's charming people.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that's like Ted Bundy one oh one.
Speaker 1: So Yates sees Rollins and immediately says motherhood becomes you
Speaker 1: and ask asks how did you lose the baby weight
Speaker 1: so fast? Like it's gross, And then he's telling her
Speaker 1: you're glowing? Are you breastfeeding? Like why, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's such an icky, like gross extra thing about him
Speaker 1: that he's obsessed with pregnancy, you know. And because it's
Speaker 1: not like he's yeah, he's not like a pedophile or anything.
Speaker 2: He's just like a perv. And then like he like
Speaker 2: explaining games and so it's like a way to fuck
Speaker 2: with people, and Rollins makes it feel unsafe and uneasy, yeah,
Speaker 2: because they're so vulnerable, like man that he's in tune,
Speaker 2: you know, he's he like felt that she was pregnant
Speaker 2: before she even told anyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could like smell the pheromones or something like
Speaker 1: a little freak.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally so gross.
Speaker 1: So Carisi interrupts to be her white Knight, but she
Speaker 1: calls him off. She's like, it's okay, Creesy, and then
Speaker 1: she winks at Yates. I had to rewind it like
Speaker 1: three times. She does a full wink at Yates. She's shameless, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know she's using every tool in that slutty little.
Speaker 2: Toolbox of hers.
Speaker 1: And he he was like, I was hurt that you
Speaker 1: tried to send the Chicago detectives in your place. And
Speaker 1: then they give him more photos and again Boner City immediately,
Speaker 1: and one woman he suggests, well, she might be out.
Speaker 2: She's not in New York.
Speaker 1: She might be out near a truck stop near where
Speaker 1: she went missing, quote unquote, waiting in the weeds. So
Speaker 1: this is how he gives his little hints where he
Speaker 1: never confesses, but he gives you information. Others he says,
Speaker 1: are possibly in Pelham Bay, but you know you have
Speaker 1: to get to give It's very Hannibal Lecter Quinn pro
Speaker 1: quot doctor. And he wants to be transferred to Honor Block,
Speaker 1: which is what it sounds like. It's like where all
Speaker 1: the goody goodies get to go in prison, and Dodds
Speaker 1: is now they're talking to the whole gang. Dodds is like,
Speaker 1: there's no way he's going to get honor block. He's
Speaker 1: a serial killer. And Careesy, who they're face timing their
Speaker 1: fast facetiming with Rollins and Creesy from Greenhaven, is like, well, actually,
Speaker 1: once you get in here, like how you got here
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter that much. Like they use honor Block
Speaker 1: as a reward for good behavior, and he made a
Speaker 1: show of good faith and told them about the girl
Speaker 1: near the truck stop. This girl is named Shavon Kelly,
Speaker 1: and he suggests that they check truck stops outside of Gary, Indiana.
Speaker 1: So like, at least he's giving them closure on one victim,
Speaker 1: but he's not going to give them more unless he's transferred.
Speaker 2: So let's see if the warden will approve it.
Speaker 1: And the warden goes, well, we can offer solitary and
Speaker 1: they're like, well, Yanes is afraid he's going to go crazy,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why would solitary be a reward for anyone,
Speaker 1: Like I think, isn't that where you go when you're
Speaker 1: doing bad and they want you to keep you away
Speaker 1: from everybody and make you go nuts and be friends
Speaker 1: with a cockroach Like I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: why they thought that. She thought that would be like
Speaker 1: a counteroffer, but they thought of She's like, we actually
Speaker 1: thought of.
Speaker 2: Transferring him to Honor Block.
Speaker 1: But Rudnick is there, and you know, I've heard they
Speaker 1: have history, and then they start chatting about the history,
Speaker 1: which we all know, and she goes, well, this could
Speaker 1: be a ploy for Yates to get revenge on Rudnick,
Speaker 1: and Rollins is like, listen, babe, if that's what Yates wanted,
Speaker 1: it would have happened already. And the Warden's like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll ask Rudnick about it, and Carsey goes, well, if
Speaker 1: I may. He is my road trip best friend, and
Speaker 1: I would love to talk to him and see if
Speaker 1: I cannot, like you know, chat with him and see
Speaker 1: if he'll go for this. So now we cut to
Speaker 1: Rudnick and Cares strolling inside the prison. Rudnick is unbothered.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not worried about Yates. I can handle
Speaker 1: that pedestrian sociopath, which I love the way he talks.
Speaker 1: Friend of the Pad Jefferson mays and cares clocks the
Speaker 1: huge panel lasagna in rudnick cell but you know, doesn't
Speaker 1: really think of anything about it. Like the camera kind
Speaker 1: of finds this poster of Switzerland that's on the wall
Speaker 1: as well, and Rudnick wants to know, like what leverage
Speaker 1: did Yeates use to get his transfer, and Caresee's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't tell you that, and Reudnick's I
Speaker 1: hope you're not still eating bacon. You saw the World
Speaker 1: Health Organization's study on that, and Careese says he did,
Speaker 1: but there's no way he did. I just don't know
Speaker 1: how Caresy is getting access to World Health Organization studies.
Speaker 2: But he's like, yeah, yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to cut back, and they shake hands, like
Speaker 1: they shake hands like this man is not an absolute
Speaker 1: cold blooded killer who I will remind everyone cut a
Speaker 1: woman up while she was alive and thank you for
Speaker 1: the reminder. Yeah, just so you know, it's like, we
Speaker 1: do love the actor. He's very charming and the bacon
Speaker 1: conbo is cute, but he is a cold blooded killer
Speaker 1: and I guess the transfer went through, but it's too
Speaker 1: late for them to talk to Yates again, and so
Speaker 1: Rollins is like, I gotta go relieve my sitter, but
Speaker 1: I'll be back first thing in the morning, and Benson's like,
Speaker 1: no way, bitch, he got to talk to you from
Speaker 1: now on. He talks to Benson and Careese's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she doesn't want you coming back up here, and Rollins's.
Speaker 2: Like, why not. Why does everyone keep saying that I'm.
Speaker 1: Just flirting and winking at a serial rapist and a brutal,
Speaker 1: blood thirsty murderer, Like what's the problem. And Rollins tries
Speaker 1: to compare like her Yates thing with Cariese's Rudnick thing,
Speaker 1: and Rudnick's like, I just like talking to the guy,
Speaker 1: Like it's a little bit different. I'm not like a
Speaker 1: winking at him, you know, and spraying my pheromones all
Speaker 1: around him for fun. So back inside the prison, Yeates
Speaker 1: says hi to Rudnick on the way to his new cell,
Speaker 1: and he references missus Wilkins again, calling her a miracle worker,
Speaker 1: and Rudnick looks concerned and he's like, just so we're clear,
Speaker 1: Yates says, I'm gonna be there when that miracle happens.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how Yates even knows what's going
Speaker 1: on with Bronwin, but we find that out later.
Speaker 2: What I want to know, I mean, Yates can smell
Speaker 2: if someone's pregnant. I think he could tell if there's
Speaker 2: a plan being something going on.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true, but he reads Why did Rudnick
Speaker 1: say yes? If Rudnick had just said no, Yates wouldn't
Speaker 1: be bothering him, if he'd been like, oh, I can't no,
Speaker 1: Like they went to Yate Rudnick and they were like,
Speaker 1: is it okay with you?
Speaker 2: If Yates comes here?
Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah, I can handle that pedestrian psychopath
Speaker 1: or whatever, And it's like, if you had just said no,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be in your grill and bothering you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why it's a little confusing. But because I
Speaker 1: thought it was all they were all in on it together.
Speaker 1: But you find out kind of later that it's not that, oh,
Speaker 1: you're right, redneck is like, what you're here? But he
Speaker 1: didn't Yeah, but you did say it was okay. So anyway,
Speaker 1: top of that two, now it's Benson and baby Dodds
Speaker 1: rolling up to green Also, Bronwyn could have just told
Speaker 1: Yates too, well, yes, yes, that's right. We I think
Speaker 1: we find that out later that that is what happened
Speaker 1: because she threatened her or whatever. Yes, but I didn't
Speaker 1: know when I was writing my notes yet how he knew.
Speaker 1: But they so okay, Now it's Benson and baby Dolls
Speaker 1: rolling up to green Haven and Benson's done with the games.
Speaker 2: If Yates wants to stay on a honor block, he
Speaker 2: better spill.
Speaker 1: Okay inside the uh Barba is there as well, and
Speaker 1: Benson goes, I didn't know Uber came to green Haven,
Speaker 1: which is like I feel like it's like a funny dig,
Speaker 1: like he can't drive himself anywhere or whatever.
Speaker 2: But I think maybe Uber was fancy and twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: Like I yeah, I like, how is that a dig? Really?
Speaker 1: Like I yeah, because I mean it's like he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have taken the train and he wouldn't have driven in
Speaker 1: a police car because he's like too bougie.
Speaker 2: I don't really know.
Speaker 1: I don't really know what's up, but like basically I
Speaker 1: looked up green Haven and it is like an hour
Speaker 1: and a half north of Manhattan, so you know that's
Speaker 1: a that's a pricey uber ride, and Barbara just goes,
Speaker 1: promise me, you won't stop for food until we get
Speaker 1: back to the city.
Speaker 2: Like he's so boogie.
Speaker 1: He's like, how dreadful eating in the Hudson Valley.
Speaker 2: No, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Green Haven is ninety minutes north of the city in
Speaker 1: Duchess County, and Dodds, Barba, and Benson are now all
Speaker 1: waiting to meet with Yates, and the warden says, oh,
Speaker 1: we're just clearing the yard and like that, like and
Speaker 1: you know, the first night on the block with Rudnick
Speaker 1: and Yeates together was all good, no problems. So then
Speaker 1: Dodds attempts to kiss ass by being like, oh, my
Speaker 1: dad says hi like he pulls the daddy cart and
Speaker 1: the warden barely gives a shit. She does not even
Speaker 1: look up. She goes, oh, yeah, I see a resemblance.
Speaker 1: Tell him I said hello. She does, she does not care.
Speaker 1: They radio to escort Yates out, but he's not in
Speaker 1: a cell. Jose the inmate from earlier who's Rudnik cellmate,
Speaker 1: is sitting at a table and he's This whole prison
Speaker 1: area reminds me of where they are and like the
Speaker 1: final season of Orange is the New Black, where they
Speaker 1: have like the tables in the middle and stuff of
Speaker 1: all their cells are around and this guy's just like
Speaker 1: cuddling a sheepskin jacket, like that's like his little his
Speaker 1: little comfort object. And those jackets always remind me of
Speaker 1: Misery the movie Misery, where that sheriff gets like shot
Speaker 1: in the back and he's wearing a sheep skin jacket.
Speaker 1: But the CEO questions him like, hey, where's your where's Yates?
Speaker 1: Where's your cell mate? And he doesn't know where Yates
Speaker 1: is and he thinks that Rudnik is probably volunteering in
Speaker 1: the clinic. So back at the precinct, Rollins is pissed.
Speaker 1: She's kicking a soda machine and Careesy's like, look, I
Speaker 1: have the answer. My sister took melatonin for her postpartum,
Speaker 1: Like what a fucking idiot, Like she's not she's not
Speaker 1: postpar she's pished, she can't go on the trip like
Speaker 1: she's it's and Rollins is like, bitch, I'm not depressed.
Speaker 2: I want to talk to serial killers and no one
Speaker 2: will let me.
Speaker 1: And uh and also like I don't know, I did
Speaker 1: not I never had postpartum. I think it's a little
Speaker 1: bit more serious than taking melowtnin. I don't think you
Speaker 1: can just be like I just need to get some sleep.
Speaker 1: It's like a little bit more like chemical than that.
Speaker 1: And Rollins says Yates is gonna feel ganged up on
Speaker 1: up there, and like he's gonna be mad at me
Speaker 1: for pulling a bait and switch on him, Like she's
Speaker 1: very concerned about Yates's feelings, you know. And then all
Speaker 1: her soda machine kicking actually works and a soda does
Speaker 1: drop out, and Creasy's like, it's great to see how
Speaker 1: motherhood's mellowed you out, and Rollins is like yeah, and
Speaker 1: I hate this shit. I hate being coddled. I have
Speaker 1: a baby, and I can't talk to serial killers anymore,
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck? And I kind of I feel
Speaker 1: her on that. I don't like people shouldn't treat you
Speaker 1: like you're like delicate just because you had a baby,
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to be a badass. So
Speaker 1: back at the prison, Barba's like, oh, so your dad
Speaker 1: knows the warden and Baby Duds is like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he knows everybody. It's like okay, and then Benson's like,
Speaker 1: hold the fuck up, like what she's looking out the
Speaker 1: window and she's like, are those drones? And then they
Speaker 1: see a drone flying above the prison yard. A guard
Speaker 1: radio starts radioing like code blue, code blue, as the
Speaker 1: prisoners start to like, you know, sort of mob to
Speaker 1: see what's going on with this drone. And then the
Speaker 1: other CEO is still looking for Yates in the library.
Speaker 1: He's not there. Now we're back to Dodds and the drones.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I've heard of people using drones to
Speaker 1: drop guns and drugs. And then the drone drops something
Speaker 1: and the prisoners starts swarming. They start punching each other out.
Speaker 1: It's like a full like riot situation because they're all
Speaker 1: trying to get to whatever packages these drones are dropping.
Speaker 1: And then boom, two more drones are like right coming
Speaker 1: behind them. So Barba is stressing and Dodds is like,
Speaker 1: Barba is like, I am not going to die in
Speaker 1: this prison, no, thank you. I am in an expensive suit,
Speaker 1: and Dodds is like we're fine. And they're getting really
Speaker 1: snappy with each other and Benson is like, boys enough,
Speaker 1: like cut it. And now they're investigating the package and
Speaker 1: the package is filled with drugs, a phone, a tiny
Speaker 1: little gun, like a very little gun. And then this
Speaker 1: one CEO, who I feel bad they gave the skuy
Speaker 1: one line and it is one of the worst line
Speaker 1: readings of all time, Like I'm so obsessed. He goes, now,
Speaker 1: we're going to have to check the spokes in all
Speaker 1: of these waterheads, like he just says it.
Speaker 2: It's such a funny way, like it's.
Speaker 1: You should go back and listen to it, Like he
Speaker 1: just is dead like when he's saying this line. So
Speaker 1: back in Manhattan, Lindsay is hanging up the phone with
Speaker 1: Voight and he's like, She's like, want he wants us
Speaker 1: back in Chicago.
Speaker 2: Our little New York City boondoggle is over.
Speaker 1: And Dawson's like, we should at least wait and find
Speaker 1: out what Yates has to say. It feels like he
Speaker 1: has Hamilton tickets and he does not want to leave.
Speaker 1: So back at the prison, the CEOs are doing a
Speaker 1: very chill check of the cells, like there no one
Speaker 1: is running, no one is like where are they? And
Speaker 1: guess what, Yates and Rudnick are still missing. No one
Speaker 1: has been concerned about it, really, They ask jose the
Speaker 1: guy with the jacket, uh, snuggling the jacket and he's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know anything, and then they get it. They
Speaker 1: grab his jacket and they go, you better tell us
Speaker 1: what's going on, or we're gonna send you to Gen
Speaker 1: Pop without your blankie.
Speaker 2: And then he's like, they'll kill.
Speaker 1: Me if I talk, and he goes, I don't know anything,
Speaker 1: but he clearly does, and then he kind of glances
Speaker 1: towards that Switzerland poster that I mentioned earlier, and then
Speaker 1: the CEO puts his hand through the Switzerland poster in
Speaker 1: a move right out of Shawshank redemption, and there.
Speaker 2: Is a huge hole in the wall.
Speaker 1: And I just think movie posters need to be outlawed
Speaker 1: after a Shawshank redemption, Like you just can't have them
Speaker 1: in jail, like you killed someone, you don't get to core,
Speaker 1: Like that's that has to be the rule, because they
Speaker 1: just keep building holes through the posters. So the warden
Speaker 1: breaks the news to Benson, Barbara, and Baby about Rudnik
Speaker 1: and Yates being missing, and it becomes really quickly clear
Speaker 1: that they have escaped.
Speaker 2: And Dodds is like, well, they must have had help.
Speaker 1: So now Benson's talking to Jose and he's like and
Speaker 1: Jose immediately goes, yo, I heard about what you went
Speaker 1: through with William Lewis. That was fucked up, That wasn't right.
Speaker 1: He was a bad man, and it's like, what did
Speaker 1: Jose do. He's like a little sweetie buye. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry about your ordeal with the other serial killer,
Speaker 1: like that was really wrong.
Speaker 2: And then they tell Jose so funny that like they
Speaker 2: have gossip in the prison. I know.
Speaker 1: They're like, you've heard about that, that was fucked Like
Speaker 1: you know you don't do that. So they tell Jose
Speaker 1: like listen, we'll get and she is a gay icon, like.
Speaker 2: I could just see him wanting to butter up Benson. Yes,
Speaker 2: so true.
Speaker 1: But Jose is scared of Yates and Rudnick, like he's
Speaker 1: scared of them, and they're like, listen, we'll get you transferred,
Speaker 1: just like tell us what's going on. And he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: it's been a few months.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: He must have gotten the tools somehow. He worked at night.
Speaker 1: He told me to shut my eyes and pretend to
Speaker 1: sleep or else he wouldn't take me with him. So
Speaker 1: poor Jose was supposed to be on the ride out
Speaker 1: of the jail, but he got left behind with his blankye,
Speaker 1: and he tells them Rudnick didn't plan on Yates going,
Speaker 1: but Yates insisted that he was going, and Rudnick caved.
Speaker 1: And now they're talking to the warden and Benson's like,
Speaker 1: jose told them that these guys knew how to breach
Speaker 1: the prison walls. And Barba's like, please tell me after
Speaker 1: Dana Mora, you sealed everything up, she said, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure we're going to get into. But the movie escaped
Speaker 1: from Dana Mora starring Patricia Arquette a SVU MVP, I
Speaker 1: would say, one of the best guest stars of all time.
Speaker 2: And uh, the.
Speaker 1: Warden goes, yes, we sealed we we welded up all
Speaker 1: the manholes, we checked all the access points. Like this
Speaker 1: guest who directed that mini series? I think Ben Stiller. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I knew that. It was like
Speaker 1: nominated for all these awards.
Speaker 2: And I want to awards. I want a bunch nominated
Speaker 2: for a bunch. I don't know where I've been, never
Speaker 2: even heard of it, Like, oh, did not know it
Speaker 2: was a thing at all? Well, I don't know why
Speaker 2: I was so disconnected. I'm usually it was an.
Speaker 1: HBO movie, like it wasn't like a movie that came
Speaker 1: out in theaters or anything. It was like an HBO
Speaker 1: movie or TV. Is it a series, it's amazing series.
Speaker 1: It's a mini series. Yeah, like like five or six
Speaker 1: episodes or something. Yeah, it was HBO. But I only
Speaker 1: heard about it when it won all the awards, Like
Speaker 1: that was only That's.
Speaker 2: Like the only reason I know about the Stiller parks.
Speaker 2: I think I remember on stage. I just think about
Speaker 2: Patrici shark Head in a the act. Yeah, I haven't
Speaker 2: seen that yet. But she really goes she really takes
Speaker 2: fucked up parts and smashes it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's awesome. Oh, Casey's pointing out it was Showtime. Sorry,
Speaker 1: rip Showtime. It was on Showtime. One of the last
Speaker 1: things they squeezed out before they completely collapsed.
Speaker 2: Does a network.
Speaker 1: So yeah, she's telling them everything's sealed up. This is
Speaker 1: a lock box. There's no way they got out of here. Like,
Speaker 1: there's somewhere. She keeps saying there's somewhere in here. They're
Speaker 1: in the interior of the prison somewhere. And then Dodds
Speaker 1: clocks this like steam pipe and he's like, what's this.
Speaker 1: She's like, it's a steam pipe and He's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's not hot. And so it turns out the electric
Speaker 1: company was doing repairs on it last night for a
Speaker 1: few hours. Then Dodds goes around finds a cutout in
Speaker 1: the side of the pipe which leads to the damn street.
Speaker 1: And I will say that the cutout part looks like
Speaker 1: it's in an orange call, Like the whole side of
Speaker 1: the pipe is orange. And I think that's the paint
Speaker 1: she was putting into the lasagna at the beginning, because
Speaker 1: I was like, what she was putting in like a
Speaker 1: little paint can with like little paint brushes, And I
Speaker 1: think that's what it was, so that they could like
Speaker 1: cut that out and then like make it so they
Speaker 1: could get back to it and not have it be
Speaker 1: discovered before the big escape. So they get out to
Speaker 1: the street and the warden is like, I had this sealed,
Speaker 1: Like I had this cover sealed, And Olivia's like, Rudneck
Speaker 1: has family money.
Speaker 2: He probably bribed someone to unseal it.
Speaker 1: And I love the idea of him just being like,
Speaker 1: dear cousin, please go into the bank account and then
Speaker 1: I need you to go unsealed. This great outside my
Speaker 1: prison in Upstate New York, and they find a note
Speaker 1: that says I think I'll miss you most of all, Scarecrow,
Speaker 1: which we didn't even we didn't even choose that in
Speaker 1: the season of Wicked. Right now, but you know, you
Speaker 1: can't escape Wicket at the moment, so a little Wizard
Speaker 1: of Oz reference for you there. And Barba sees that
Speaker 1: it's written in green nail polish, which, if you recall,
Speaker 1: is a Yate signature, like he used to paint his
Speaker 1: victim's nail.
Speaker 2: This green color.
Speaker 1: And just as the warden is like where's the Conell crew, baby,
Speaker 1: Dodds pipes up and he's like, we got a body
Speaker 1: over here, and sadly there is a poor electrical worker
Speaker 1: lying there with a snapneck, and they're like, well, these
Speaker 1: guys work in twos, where's his partner? Meanwhile, the warden
Speaker 1: is suspicious of Rollins. She goes, so he escapes right
Speaker 1: after your detective pushes to get him on honor block.
Speaker 1: Like even the warden is like, something's going on with
Speaker 1: those two, you know, And Benson defends her and is like, no,
Speaker 1: she had nothing to do with this, and Barba's like, look,
Speaker 1: he had outside help, the drones, the drugs, the hole
Speaker 1: in the wall.
Speaker 2: This has been planned for months.
Speaker 1: This says that like Rollins was literally like on maternity leave,
Speaker 1: pushing a baby out while this was being planned, Like,
Speaker 1: she's not the one we're after here. And meanwhile, they've
Speaker 1: been slowly lowering one of those bucket things that electrical
Speaker 1: workers work in, and when they look inside, you guessed
Speaker 1: it another guy with a snapneck who works for the
Speaker 1: electrical company. And then I think, Barbara goes they killed
Speaker 1: the guys who helped them escape, and I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I thought that they just killed two electrical workers, but
Speaker 1: I guess these guys somehow helped them escape. But and
Speaker 1: they will kill again, so they're very dangerous.
Speaker 2: And guess what.
Speaker 1: The last time they were seen was six am, and
Speaker 1: they have a nine hour head start, so they could
Speaker 1: be anywhere. The Warden's like, get Rollins up here. So
Speaker 1: Rollins is gonna get her wish again. She's gonna get
Speaker 1: another trip to green Haven, so, oh my god. Act
Speaker 1: three opens up with New York City Legend. New York
Speaker 1: one News anchor Pat Kiernan. I love this guy so much.
Speaker 1: He's he I think still is but was forever an
Speaker 1: NY one News anchor, which is like York New York
Speaker 1: City's like local news channel.
Speaker 2: And this credit.
Speaker 1: He has so many credits because he plays himself in
Speaker 1: so many TV shows and movies, but this credit's not
Speaker 1: on his IMDb, which is crazy. He also hosted a
Speaker 1: show I was obsessed with called The World Series of
Speaker 1: Pop Culture because I thought I could be on it,
Speaker 1: but I was no way good enough to be on it.
Speaker 1: And he's reporting on the nationwide man hunt. Drink for
Speaker 1: the name of the show of the episode, and it's
Speaker 1: you know. They show pictures of run Nick and Yates
Speaker 1: and he's cautioning the public not interact with them. They're
Speaker 1: like dangerous, they could be armed. And now Benson's updating Voight.
Speaker 1: He's gonna send Lindsay and Dawson back. They were apparently
Speaker 1: about to board a plane back to Chicago, but they
Speaker 1: need all the manpower they can get.
Speaker 2: They need these two Chicago people.
Speaker 1: So now the warden is leading a huge team of
Speaker 1: people made up of like cops, FBI, state troopers. Like
Speaker 1: it's huge. It's like a massive task force or whatever.
Speaker 1: And guess who she turns it over to hit to
Speaker 1: friend of the pod, Kevin Kane, who we talked about before.
Speaker 1: He is the most he I think has the most
Speaker 1: characters ever played on U s for you like, and
Speaker 1: he's some kind of state police captain here and you know,
Speaker 1: now he's a series regular. I wanted to bring this
Speaker 1: up on the intro tomorrow, so I don't know if
Speaker 1: we want to cut this, but he did make it
Speaker 1: into the credits. He's a series regular on the season
Speaker 1: right now, so I'm excited for him. SVU is downloading
Speaker 1: all these law enforcement officers about these guys, like, here's
Speaker 1: their deal, Here's what their m o's are. They're dangerous sociopaths.
Speaker 1: They will not hesitate to kill. And Kevin Kane is like,
Speaker 1: we've got we're searching house to house, we've got infrared
Speaker 1: in the sky. This is like his Tommy Lee Jones
Speaker 1: in the Fugitive Speech. He's like, I want you to
Speaker 1: search every inch of this county, every in house, out house,
Speaker 1: back house, you know, like famous Fugitive speech. Another Chicago movie, right,
Speaker 1: that movie's in Chicago, I think.
Speaker 2: Besides Feris Buehler like that's number two for me? Is
Speaker 2: the Future VI in terms of Chicago? Yeah, yeah, movies,
Speaker 2: those are my top two. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, people like the Dark Night, but I just I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it. So Kevin Kane asks Barbara, how bout
Speaker 1: are these guys? And Barbara goes, think Ted Bundy and
Speaker 1: Robert Durst on the run together, which good one. Now
Speaker 1: Benson and Rollins are grilling jose On like who would
Speaker 1: have helped them?
Speaker 2: Who? How did they get out?
Speaker 1: And he doesn't want to talk, and he goes cause
Speaker 1: I like her, And then obviously we know where this
Speaker 1: is going.
Speaker 2: He gives up bron Win Freed Wilkins.
Speaker 1: She teaches their conflictunt Transformation class, but I think he
Speaker 1: just calls her missus Wilkins. Okay, so I'm about lasagna
Speaker 1: and they're like, what about the CEO's And he's like,
Speaker 1: the CEO's like the lasagna too, And then.
Speaker 2: A CEO is like they're talking to with CEO.
Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah, I just I didn't know there
Speaker 1: was anything in there. I thought it was just lasagna.
Speaker 1: And they're like, you didn't run it through the metal detector,
Speaker 1: and he goes she asked if I could hand check it.
Speaker 1: She didn't want those cancer rays to hit her lunch.
Speaker 1: They give you cancer, like it's like so funny, like
Speaker 1: you walk through a metal detector every day, but your
Speaker 1: lunch can't. Like I don't know. The CEO wants his rep.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not talking anymore. I know I fucked
Speaker 1: up here. I want my rep. So now SVU is
Speaker 1: in a walk and talk with the warden who is
Speaker 1: describing Bronwyn. And when Benson.
Speaker 2: Hearsay, do you want to try this LASAGNYA yeah, everybody's
Speaker 2: going gog offer this lasagna. It's letting people completely lose
Speaker 2: their jobs. But Benson, here's the name Bronwyn and is like,
Speaker 2: alarm bells right. She goes, wait, her name is Bronwyn,
Speaker 2: and then the warden goes, yeah, bron Win Wilkins. But
Speaker 2: she got married last month and when she became Wilkins,
Speaker 2: she was Bronwin freed before Benson is like what in
Speaker 2: the fuck? Like she's like, she helps another guy get
Speaker 2: out of jail, like Rollins is like, how did you
Speaker 2: not run a background check? But it turns out Barbara
Speaker 2: reveals to Benson for the first time and to her
Speaker 2: big surprise, that the charges for Bronwyn for aiding William
Speaker 2: Lewis's escape were dropped because of political pressure to cover
Speaker 2: up corruption in the prison system. And Benson's like are.
Speaker 1: You fucking and like they can't Like Rollinson's like, we
Speaker 1: can't even get into this right now. But like she's like,
Speaker 1: isn't she flagged at rikers? And the Warden's like sure,
Speaker 1: but that's city. We're state, so they won't even communicate
Speaker 1: with each other.
Speaker 2: I know how bad the warden is, but doesn't care,
Speaker 2: Like this is like the worst warden we've ever seen.
Speaker 2: She is so on the floor. She's so flighty. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's like I I mean usually they're like sticklers or asked,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm the warden, and this she's just like, oh,
Speaker 2: come on.
Speaker 1: She doesn't seem upset at all that two fucking serial
Speaker 1: killers have just escaped her prison. I mean, you could
Speaker 1: lose your job, right, isn't that kind of like on
Speaker 1: your watch that this happened?
Speaker 2: Like he does not chill man.
Speaker 1: She took an edible before work, she or she had
Speaker 1: them hand check her bag and she's got her edibles
Speaker 1: in there, okay, because she's not she's not caring, okay,
Speaker 1: And Rollins is like, I'm done playing games and she
Speaker 1: tells the she like yells at the ward and she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm done with this little like ditsy Warden routine cough
Speaker 1: up an address. So now they're at Bronwin's residence, which
Speaker 1: is in Stormville, New York, where green Haven actually is,
Speaker 1: and the cops are swarming it. And like I was
Speaker 1: looking at the timeline, like the Rudnick trial was in June, okay,
Speaker 1: and it's February. So in eight months, this woman relocated
Speaker 1: to Duchess County, got a job at the prison, got married,
Speaker 1: and helped hatch a full jail break. Women really do
Speaker 1: get everything done. I mean they do get shit done.
Speaker 1: Do be getting it done. The cops bust in and
Speaker 1: there's just a dude sitting on the couch watching NASCAR
Speaker 1: and eating you guessed it, lasagna, and he is Kyle.
Speaker 1: He is Bronwy's husband, and he's like, what, I'm her husband.
Speaker 2: She had an.
Speaker 1: Emergency, she took my car. And that's that guy's that's
Speaker 1: a wrap on Bronwin's husband. That's all we see from him.
Speaker 1: We don't get him anymore. They track down the vehicle.
Speaker 1: The dogs picked up the scent, but like they of
Speaker 1: the two guys, but they've ditched the car. Caresy finds
Speaker 1: a prison jumpsuit, a dress and a wig in a dumpster,
Speaker 1: and then liv goes, now, the question is where's Rudnick's body?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know why you assume Rudnick
Speaker 1: is dead. That's a weird line for me. The dog
Speaker 1: picks up a smell and everybody goes running. They find
Speaker 1: a car nearby with whimpering sounds coming from the trunk,
Speaker 1: and they bust it open and it's Bronwyn. She's tied
Speaker 1: up and she's taped over the mouth. They rip up
Speaker 1: off that duct tape. They don't give a fuck, and
Speaker 1: Lindsay goes, here's Yeates and she was like, I haven't seen.
Speaker 2: Them since before noon. Please help me.
Speaker 1: Please help me, And no one has any fucking love
Speaker 1: for her. Benson snarls. She's like, get her out of here,
Speaker 1: like they don't care about this woman. And now we're
Speaker 1: getting a summary from a different New York One reporter
Speaker 1: Cheryl Wills on TV. She's explaining the two fugitives had
Speaker 1: a female accomplice. At the state Police, Rollins and Barbara
Speaker 1: are questioning Bronwyn and she's like, listen, I was working
Speaker 1: with Rudnick on his impulse issues. He's a sensitive man
Speaker 1: and we grew close, and she's telling them like she
Speaker 1: brought gifts to Rudnick. She's like, you know, the usual
Speaker 1: stuff you bring a prisoner, organic soaps, spices. Benson's like,
Speaker 1: how about hack saws, and Bronwin goes, it might not
Speaker 1: be good for Benson to be here.
Speaker 2: She has a lot of anger towards me. It's like, yes, lol,
Speaker 2: you were.
Speaker 1: Basically in love with the man that gave her like
Speaker 1: the worst drama of her life, so yeah, she doesn't
Speaker 1: love you. And then Benson is arguing with Bronwyn and
Speaker 1: she's like, no, Rudnick is a man and lives like
Speaker 1: he chopped a woman into pieces. And bron Win's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that Rutnick. I don't know that side
Speaker 1: of him, and Rollin says like, listen, I'm sure he
Speaker 1: was nice to you. But then Benson is like, girl,
Speaker 1: they left you to die in the trunk of a car.
Speaker 1: It's fucking February and upstate New York, by the way,
Speaker 1: like she would have absolutely frozen to death in a
Speaker 1: few more hours.
Speaker 2: Barba tells her, you're looking at felony chargers.
Speaker 1: Girl, just give us everything, okay, So that the squad
Speaker 1: gets some traffic camstills of two little ladies on a
Speaker 1: road trip, and you got it, it's Rudnick and Yates.
Speaker 1: Somebody I think it's Greasi goes, yeah, two women in
Speaker 1: a suber who's not going to raise any flags. And
Speaker 1: I do feel like this is a lesbian joke, like
Speaker 1: a quiet lesbian joke, because you know, it is a
Speaker 1: classic lesbian car. Subaru's So they dumped Brounwin because Yates
Speaker 1: said she's served her purpose, and then Rudnick said he
Speaker 1: would kill her, but he just fired a shot in
Speaker 1: the air and threw her in the trunk. And bron
Speaker 1: Win's like, he's saved my life. Like she's still so like,
Speaker 1: you know, enamored of Rudnick, like he's like guy. So
Speaker 1: Bronwin apparently gave Rudnick a gun and a map of
Speaker 1: Aderondeck Steak Park. Coresian Dodds are rolling out the map
Speaker 1: of the park and Kevin King goes, uh, just so
Speaker 1: you guys know, that's six million acres. And I don't
Speaker 1: really know why we ever talk in acres. Why can't
Speaker 1: we just do miles. I don't understand acreage, but six
Speaker 1: million of anything seems like a lot Rudnick originally tried
Speaker 1: to run for Buffalo in his first case, and Yates
Speaker 1: when he got out one on his killing spree, so
Speaker 1: we can't even be sure that these two are together anymore.
Speaker 1: Bronwyn is now continuing her tale, telling Barbara that Yates
Speaker 1: found out that she and Rudnick were intimate, and Barbara
Speaker 1: goes physically and she goes no spiritually of course, like,
Speaker 1: of course I wouldn't go so far as to fucking inmate.
Speaker 1: I just got him all the tools to get out
Speaker 1: of jail and we had an emotional affair. So it
Speaker 1: turns out Yates found out about the lasagna. She told
Speaker 1: him one more time.
Speaker 2: I know it's crazy, like Garfield's favorite episode, I really
Speaker 2: so true said.
Speaker 1: You have to take a shot of Marnera every time
Speaker 1: I say lasagna in this episode. Okay, So she told
Speaker 1: Yates the Rudnick escape plan and she's like, I had
Speaker 1: to or he said he was going to kill my
Speaker 1: husband and boins him go boints, sorry, I'm like on
Speaker 1: drugs today, Benson points out, is funny.
Speaker 2: Because I was saying Benson points.
Speaker 1: At the same time Boinson points and points out he's
Speaker 1: in prison and your husband is thirty miles away. How
Speaker 1: exactly were you feeling a direct threat to your husband's safety?
Speaker 1: And Bronman goes, you know that when Yates wants something
Speaker 1: violent to happen, he finds a way, and she's not wrong,
Speaker 1: like he does get shit done in terms of U yes,
Speaker 1: but exactly. But I think she was like, I'm looking
Speaker 1: after my husband. I had to get I had to
Speaker 1: give him what he wanted or he was going to
Speaker 1: find a way to kill my husband.
Speaker 2: So it's like, do you even love your husband? You
Speaker 2: love Rudnick?
Speaker 1: Who cares about Kyle. He's at home meeting your lasagna,
Speaker 1: watching fucking Nascar. You love Rudnick. So we cut to
Speaker 1: a nasty crime scene. Okay, a female state trooper is
Speaker 1: on the ground, like you know, underwear around her ankles,
Speaker 1: which obviously is telegraphing the rape.
Speaker 2: And she was murdered.
Speaker 1: She's covered in blood and she'd been called because a
Speaker 1: neighbor saw smoke coming out of the chimney. But the
Speaker 1: owners are never there in the winter, so the neighbor
Speaker 1: you know, called the cops and that this trooper showed
Speaker 1: up and unfortunately Yates was there, or maybe both of them,
Speaker 1: So the call to the police was an hour ago,
Speaker 1: so they must be close.
Speaker 2: They also left a trail of blood.
Speaker 1: Dawson is making sure Lindsey's okay, but she looks very shook,
Speaker 1: and he's like, don't worry, we're gonna get him. So
Speaker 1: they follow the blood trail and it leads to the
Speaker 1: water like a lake, and we're all at this lake.
Speaker 1: Now it's raining, it's dark, it looks cold as fuck,
Speaker 1: like we're in bubble fuck New York. Like this is
Speaker 1: not where anybody wants to be. Right now, they've got
Speaker 1: someone in a parked boat that they've detected on the
Speaker 1: infrared camera and they're like, it's Rudnick. We can see
Speaker 1: him on the infrared, and Kevin Kaine's character is like,
Speaker 1: I'm not risking my guys.
Speaker 2: Everybody shoot at the boat. It's wild.
Speaker 1: CA's like stop, stop, like this man is my best friend.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go talk to him, and he yells
Speaker 2: we have history.
Speaker 1: So he approaches the boat and he tells Rudnick like
Speaker 1: he's approaching the boat, going I want you to live,
Speaker 1: I want you to walk out of here, and then
Speaker 1: he pulls back the tarp and Rudnick is covered in blood. Shaking,
Speaker 1: and then the camera kind of finds his leg and
Speaker 1: it looks bent in a weird way. I couldn't really
Speaker 1: see what was going on, but he's thanking creasy.
Speaker 2: He's like, thank you, caresy.
Speaker 1: So now we're back to New York one and Pat
Speaker 1: Kiernan is telling us that Rudnick has been apprehended and
Speaker 1: has suffered a lot of injuries and was rushed to
Speaker 1: the hospital. Yates is still at large. They show a
Speaker 1: map with this is hilarious. They show a map with
Speaker 1: little red pins for all the sightings that people have
Speaker 1: called in for Yates, and they're all over the country.
Speaker 1: And then they just put a massive question mark over
Speaker 1: the top of the United States and it's like, very
Speaker 1: helpful graphic, very helpful. So they I've never seen anything
Speaker 1: like that on a news report. They cut to them
Speaker 1: at the hospital Yeates. It turns out out hobbled Rudnick,
Speaker 1: which is another term I learned from misery, So two
Speaker 1: misery references in this episode for me, Like, I didn't
Speaker 1: know what hobbling was until Kathy Bates hobbled him in
Speaker 1: that which is where you you know, put a piece
Speaker 1: of wood in between the ankles and then you like
Speaker 1: hammer you break their ankles, and apparently Yates broke his
Speaker 1: knees as well and pierced his ear drum. I don't
Speaker 1: know why that like detail was put in there. It
Speaker 1: sounds terrible, but and then he just left him to
Speaker 1: die in the boat. Benson doesn't give a fuck. She's like,
Speaker 1: oh boohoo, like she could care about what happens to Rudnick.
Speaker 1: He's apparently in and out of consciousness. But Kevin Kane
Speaker 1: tells them that he indicated that the plan was to
Speaker 1: cross the border on this like Saint Lawrence River or something.
Speaker 1: Uh uh so now uh oh bad news. Dawson can't
Speaker 1: find Lindsey. They split up and she went with Dodds. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Rudnick is talking to Caresy now he's awake, and Rudnick saying,
Speaker 1: it was never my intention to hurt anyone.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to leave the country and live a life.
Speaker 1: Of peace, and Careese is holding Rudnick's hand and he goes,
Speaker 1: Yates only wanted one thing, revenge. And then he's like, well,
Speaker 1: where were you headed on the river and he goes
Speaker 1: Wellesley Island. Cariesy pulls his hand out of redneck's hand
Speaker 1: so fastive make your head spin.
Speaker 2: He's like, get your hands off of me. We're not
Speaker 2: friends anymore.
Speaker 1: And then Benson finally gets Dodds on the line and
Speaker 1: she's like, all right, we know where they're headed.
Speaker 2: We're headed to Wellesley Island or whatever. You guys come back.
Speaker 1: Lindsay and Dodds are driving in the dark rain on
Speaker 1: some you know, deserted country roads and he's like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's head back and Lindsay's like, no way, dude, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing that. And he's like, come on, like, we
Speaker 1: gotta go back. That's what the boss said. I'm a
Speaker 1: daddy's boy and I do what I'm told. And she goes, well,
Speaker 1: I'll drop your ass at a rest stop because I'm
Speaker 1: not going like her mission is to find yates, you know.
Speaker 1: So then as they're arguing, they passed this little country
Speaker 1: road that goes off of the main road and there's
Speaker 1: a state trooper patrol car just stop there with the
Speaker 1: lights on the door to the car open. But they're like,
Speaker 1: there's not been any radio traffic that we've heard, so
Speaker 1: this is sketchy. So they pull up to the car.
Speaker 1: Dodds calls for backup. They approach the car, nobody's there.
Speaker 1: Then there's a pickup truck in front of it, like
Speaker 1: what the state trooper might have been pulling over. They
Speaker 1: find the state trooper on the ground, shot through the head,
Speaker 1: another body in you know, a trail of bodies behind Yates.
Speaker 1: Lindsey notices, oh, his gun is gone, and just as
Speaker 1: she's telling Dodds, shots ring out. Dodds gets hit. Lindsey
Speaker 1: decides to pursue Yeates like a fucking idiot. Dodds's like
Speaker 1: pistol or He's like stop, don't go, wait for backup.
Speaker 1: And now she's just alone in the woods with a
Speaker 1: serial killer, like I don't know why, Like you think
Speaker 1: that you're just better than this guy and you're gonna
Speaker 1: get him. He's quite good at what he does. She
Speaker 1: falls in the snow, drops her fucking gun. It's very
Speaker 1: terrifying because you're like, get the gun, and then she
Speaker 1: finds it. She then she sees this house in the
Speaker 1: woods with every single light on and she goes into
Speaker 1: the house like gun drawn, and there she sees a
Speaker 1: little girl hiding under a bed and she's like just
Speaker 1: you stay here, and the little girl's like my dad,
Speaker 1: and then she's like, just stay right here. When she
Speaker 1: hears the gunshot, Lindsay goes outside, Yates almost runs her
Speaker 1: over with the truck. She shoots at him in the truck,
Speaker 1: but he gets away, and then she finds sadly the
Speaker 1: little girl's dad dead on the ground outside, and there's
Speaker 1: a note in his mouth and it says see you
Speaker 1: back home, Aaron, and Lindsey looks devastated. Her name is
Speaker 1: Aaron Lindsay just in case this is confusing, and that's
Speaker 1: dick wolf baby off of her devastated face. But of
Speaker 1: course we have to know. This is a fucking Chicago
Speaker 1: ped crossover, which I actually remember watching back in the day,
Speaker 1: because I remember being like on my TV like looking
Speaker 1: up Spectrum like on demand, trying to find Chicago p
Speaker 1: D because I don't really watch it and I just
Speaker 1: really wanted to see what had happened to this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: But I actually remember watching it, but I don't remember
Speaker 1: much of the episode. So the episode, if you want
Speaker 1: to go back and watch it, is called the Song
Speaker 1: of Gregory Yates, and basically, Yates heads back to Chicago
Speaker 1: to find his sister. Okay, he finds her apartment and
Speaker 1: he kills all of her roommates to our nurses, which
Speaker 1: is a clear reference to Ted Bundy, because Ted Bundy
Speaker 1: did kill a bunch of nurses at one point. And
Speaker 1: he eventually finds his sister a kidnaps her. At one point,
Speaker 1: he pays a homeless woman to deliver a box to
Speaker 1: the station which has a hand of one of the
Speaker 1: victims in it, which has another note in hold in
Speaker 1: like the hand of the victim, which is very like seven.
Speaker 1: It's very you know, serial killers taunting the police stuff.
Speaker 1: He breaks into Lindsay's apartment with his kidnapped sister in tow.
Speaker 1: Then he goes and finds his bio. He goes and
Speaker 1: finds his biological dad, attacks him, kidnaps him, lures Lindsay
Speaker 1: to where he is by threatening to kill his own dad.
Speaker 1: When she arrives, Yates has his father in a chair
Speaker 1: perched over the edge of a building, I guess, with
Speaker 1: a noose around his neck.
Speaker 2: And the guy like he honestly just.
Speaker 1: Keeps topping himself like the noose like this, listen like
Speaker 1: the he's like he's like a jigsaw over here with
Speaker 1: these different ideas. He ends up uh. He confesses all
Speaker 1: his crimes to Aaron. He starts taunting her more about
Speaker 1: Nadia than he just kills his dad by pushing him
Speaker 1: over the edge and hanging him, and then he tries
Speaker 1: to go after Lindsay with an ice pick, so he's
Speaker 1: kind of doing like suicide by cop a little bit,
Speaker 1: like he's he's attacking Lindsay because he wants her to
Speaker 1: kill him, and he taunts her like you're gonna be
Speaker 1: the one to tell my story. You're gonna kill me,
Speaker 1: and eventually she does. She kills him and shoots him
Speaker 1: in self defense. And that's the end of Gregory Yates
Speaker 1: in our Lives. So sorry, Rollins, you lost a friend.
Speaker 2: But that is that.
Speaker 1: And I know that you're gonna give us all the
Speaker 1: juice on the true crime because and I'm excited because
Speaker 1: I don't really know that much, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So I mean it's like frame by frame, I
Speaker 2: would say, it is, yeah, so exact, and like I
Speaker 2: can't even believe it, but this, and like you said,
Speaker 2: it was a famous mini series. People talk about this.
Speaker 1: I was in New York when it was happening, so
Speaker 1: it was on the news everywhere, Like I remembering, like, fuck,
Speaker 1: there's these two guys on the loose, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: think they were gonna come to New York City. I
Speaker 1: wasn't like worried really, but I was like, fuck, well
Speaker 1: because I forgot.
Speaker 2: But I was talking to someone and I was like
Speaker 2: talking about the the jail break one that I was
Speaker 2: watching on Netflix or Hulu or whatever, about the woman
Speaker 2: falling in love and driving off and stuff. And someone
Speaker 2: was like, oh, escape from Danamoora. And I was like no,
Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, it is, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: it's not. Stuff I hate. I hate when people argue
Speaker 2: with me about things I know more than them. On
Speaker 2: it it's like, actually, it's fine. Makes me feel good. Anyways,
Speaker 2: the Clinton Correctional Facility escape, So i'll set the scene
Speaker 2: June sixth, twenty fifteen. Yeah, and this episode aired like
Speaker 2: not even a year later, and the New York State
Speaker 2: Police or the lead agency, and this massive manhunt for
Speaker 2: two escaped prisoners. Fifteen hundred law enforcement officers were used
Speaker 2: from twelve different state, local, and federal agencies, and it
Speaker 2: became the largest search in New York state history. And
Speaker 2: so Clinton Correctional Facility is in Dana Mora, which is
Speaker 2: a rural and very forested area and it's just south
Speaker 2: of the Canadian border, which is a crazy place for
Speaker 2: a prison, I would say on a border. But I
Speaker 2: think Canada would bring back the criminals, like I don't
Speaker 2: know why, like we got to get to Canada, like
Speaker 2: Canada would and be like, yeah, we're not helping you.
Speaker 1: I was thinking that same thing when I was like,
Speaker 1: why are all these serial killers and people always trying
Speaker 1: to get to Canada? They're going to give you back,
Speaker 1: Like we're in a good spot with Canada, you know.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, my big thing is like get a boat
Speaker 2: and go to an island, but I guess that's a
Speaker 2: big journey, but like go to international waters. Well, you
Speaker 2: know what's interesting.
Speaker 1: I just caught up on the whole new season of SVU,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you've heard about the season.
Speaker 1: The fall finale is Careese gets kind of involved in
Speaker 1: a hold up in a bodega and the guy are
Speaker 1: like where can we go? And Kreese's telling them all
Speaker 1: the places they can go that don't have extradition. So
Speaker 1: like these guys were thinking, they were like where can
Speaker 1: we go where we won't get step back? And he's
Speaker 1: like he's telling them the name of like the Solomon Islands,
Speaker 1: like places we've never even fucking heard of that are
Speaker 1: places that won't extradite to the US.
Speaker 2: So so wild. It's like baby Australia's are being born everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 2: towns of criminals. So the guy's names are Richard Matt
Speaker 2: and David Sweat.
Speaker 1: But oh my god, yes, what I just remember the
Speaker 1: name David Sweat.
Speaker 2: I remember the name David Sweat. It sounds like a
Speaker 2: pop star for in the Substance Universe. Yeah. Yeah. And
Speaker 2: then Richard Matt is confusing because Matt is a first name,
Speaker 2: so it's but whatever, Matt and Sweat they are both
Speaker 2: serving time for murder. So Matt was serving twenty five
Speaker 2: years to life because he kidnapped and beat a man
Speaker 2: to death in nineteen ninety seven. This was his former employer,
Speaker 2: a seventy six year old man, and Matt fucking tortured
Speaker 2: him and chopped up his body with a hack saw.
Speaker 2: So not good. And then Sweat was serving life after
Speaker 2: being convicted of killing a broom. I wonder if it
Speaker 2: was Boom, but Broome County Sheriff's deputy in two thousand
Speaker 2: and two, when he was twenty three years old, and
Speaker 2: it does confuse me, like life and no chancefer pearol
Speaker 2: with chance of Pearl, Like I wonder why Matt got
Speaker 2: twenty five to life and this guy just has life.
Speaker 1: I literally just look this up for the other episode
Speaker 1: that we're about to record. Capital murder is like first
Speaker 1: degree murder, but you capital murder includes killing multiple people, killing,
Speaker 1: law enforcement killing, and with capital murder, there's no chancefer pearl.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, yeah, we got that. We got that answered quick.
Speaker 2: And obviously, you know, him murdering the deputy made me
Speaker 2: think of the Bob Marley song that I don't understand
Speaker 2: never will. Okay, you know you're still serving life, babe.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, they also don't look like friends, like
Speaker 2: if you see their photos, they look very different. And
Speaker 2: so I'm I'm so curious about their relationship. And there
Speaker 2: is a whole report. So it's very the Fox and
Speaker 2: the Hound according to a twenty sixteen report. And I'm
Speaker 2: gonna talk about this report a lot and then I'll
Speaker 2: i'll let you know where to find it. But it
Speaker 2: was like a giant report that had to be made
Speaker 2: because they fuck up so much. I just I'll get
Speaker 2: into it because I also just like there's something about
Speaker 2: a prison escape that we love or I love yeah
Speaker 2: as as a person. And they're bad people, but and
Speaker 2: you know it's risky they you know, what they could
Speaker 2: do to others out and about, but there's always like
Speaker 2: something you cheer for where you're like, get out of there. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen escape from Alcatraz? Like there's like
Speaker 1: so many like just the clever like ways that they
Speaker 1: because they've got nothing but time to think about.
Speaker 2: How to get out, you know. Yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 2: like when you're on Survivor that all they do is
Speaker 2: talk about the foods they want to eat yea when
Speaker 2: they leave. So they are very different. And this report
Speaker 2: was used in all my sources. They used it as
Speaker 2: a source, but this is for ABC News that Sweat
Speaker 2: was very very self sufficient in always and then Matt
Speaker 2: was sociable and gregarious and their friendship blossom between Matt
Speaker 2: and Sweat in about twenty ten when they're housing overlapped
Speaker 2: the prison area on the Honor Block and like in
Speaker 2: the episode, it's a special section for well behaved inmates
Speaker 2: that let prisoners remain out of their cells for most
Speaker 2: of the day and have special jobs like assisting plumbers
Speaker 2: and electricians. And this is from a former inmate as
Speaker 2: a source for ABC News. But it's very odds, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like yeah, and the fact that
Speaker 2: there's pods and they're hanging out in this little community.
Speaker 2: It's like I remember watching Oz being like, well this
Speaker 2: isn't real and it is okay. So and then they
Speaker 2: had differences in age and personality, but they had one
Speaker 2: shared interest art. Yeah, they were painters. They were painters.
Speaker 2: Matt was like an incredible painter. Incredible Matt was the painter,
Speaker 2: and Sweat was very inspired and also began painting. So so, yeah,
Speaker 2: they loved art. And I saw one of the paintings
Speaker 2: and it's two dogs, a Boston Terrier and a Pomeranian
Speaker 2: and they're so fucking cute. I could see myself buying
Speaker 2: these paintings. But I'm gonna be buying a murderer's art,
Speaker 2: like I know it. And then yes, so Sweat was
Speaker 2: very inspired and he took up painting and drawing and
Speaker 2: developed his art skills. And Sweat had a beautiful painting.
Speaker 2: It was a house with trees, the sky and clouds
Speaker 2: are a great color. There's a little bridge, the water
Speaker 2: like inter of art. They really were crushing it. And
Speaker 2: these guys vibed and they were able to use the
Speaker 2: paintings and drawings as prison currency with the prison staff
Speaker 2: and they would give really really cheap prices. So obviously
Speaker 2: they can like use people later for these paintings. And
Speaker 2: then the Simpson this also, well, it reminds me because
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, some people only do nice things so
Speaker 2: they can like use you later, and that's definitely true
Speaker 2: in prison, and it just reminds me of fat Tony
Speaker 2: in the Mob in the Simpsons and uh the Pretzel episode.
Speaker 2: If anyone wants a fun time, a fun time of
Speaker 2: don't don't take, don't take, uh, don't take things from
Speaker 2: you know, the mob or prisoners, they're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 2: want something. And so it's so but twenty eleven, Matt's
Speaker 2: kicked out of the block and Sweat would send him
Speaker 2: gifts of tobacco, rolling papers, food, and that really solidified
Speaker 2: their friendship in a real way. And uh so now
Speaker 2: it's twenty fifteen, Matt's back on Honor Block and him
Speaker 2: and Sweat are housed in adjacent cells and they use
Speaker 2: power tools to cut through concrete walls steel piping that
Speaker 2: gave them access to underground tunnels. They then followed the
Speaker 2: tunnels under the exterior walls of the prison and to
Speaker 2: the street outside. And of course that had help. Like
Speaker 2: I said, they have their own little Bronwyn. It's a
Speaker 2: prison worker, Joyce Mitchell. And Joyce Mitchell was seduced by Sweat.
Speaker 2: And she was also the and guess what her job was.
Speaker 2: She was the prison tailor. What a twist. They have
Speaker 2: a tailor. They had a whole tailor shop. And there's
Speaker 2: so much about the tailor's shop. I can't wait to
Speaker 2: like fully get into everything. But she loved Sweat. There's
Speaker 2: all these letters she secretly sent to him that were recovered,
Speaker 2: and there's proof that she had sex with him in
Speaker 2: the tailor shop. This is a known thing of you know,
Speaker 2: prisoners grooming prison staff. Like I said, they're not just
Speaker 2: painting you paintings for fun, Like these are criminals. And
Speaker 2: it's and there's a name. There's a hip name for
Speaker 2: it called downing the Duck and it's to get special duck.
Speaker 2: Yeah cool, right, Yeah, Like I wonder, I know, but
Speaker 2: I wonder if we if we like walked into prison
Speaker 2: trying to use it if we'd be like, you know,
Speaker 2: mister Burns pretending to be young, like like, you can't
Speaker 2: just use downing the duck. I think I think they
Speaker 2: would know that were you know, it's not for us
Speaker 2: because of you know, the attention she got, she liked it,
Speaker 2: and the fucking she would give them food in the shop,
Speaker 2: She would make calls to Matt's daughter for him, and
Speaker 2: smuggled in personal items, not just escape materials. And she
Speaker 2: was married to another person who worked at the prison
Speaker 2: this whole time. He was an industrial training supervisor. So
Speaker 2: her husband is there at the prison and she's bringing
Speaker 2: Matt cookies, cakes, prepared meals, venison, biscuits. I mean, if
Speaker 2: my spouse is bringing someone venison, like I have questions. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And then another inmate said to ABC News at one time,
Speaker 2: Mitchell gave Sweat a big Mac from McDonald's. I can't
Speaker 2: even believe how good that tasted on the inside, Like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe what having a loose big mac from
Speaker 2: the outside it feels like when you're in your serving life,
Speaker 2: Like I totally. Yeah. She also did have two children,
Speaker 2: so she really put out a lot on the line,
Speaker 2: and she was having sex with Matt providing Sweat with
Speaker 2: nudes and then Matt led Joyce into believing they were
Speaker 2: in love, but still like she's double timing both of
Speaker 2: them anyways, Like they're both using her. But she's just
Speaker 2: like a giant whore within the prison system too. And
Speaker 2: she told NBC News, I enjoyed the attention, the feeling
Speaker 2: both of them gave me, and the thought of a
Speaker 2: different life like life in prison. It's just it's it's wild.
Speaker 2: So ABC News reports that she agreed to flee with
Speaker 2: Sweat and Matt and help them get guns, ammunition, camping
Speaker 2: gear and a compass, hack, saw blades, chisels and other tools,
Speaker 2: and she snuck them in and frozen hamburger meat, which
Speaker 2: a guard later gave to the inmates, like like, how
Speaker 2: do they hold frozen meat? Do they have to cook
Speaker 2: it right away? Like on a window?
Speaker 1: Like why are we giving a frozen Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: have a sense it's a pre k it's a pre
Speaker 1: cooked item.
Speaker 2: What is frozen meat? Yeah? And they use the tools,
Speaker 2: obviously to cut through the back of their cells, then
Speaker 2: a brick wall into a steam pipe. They slithered through
Speaker 2: and emerged outside the walls through a manhole, so like
Speaker 2: very svo.
Speaker 1: But they must have had to do the same thing
Speaker 1: of like knowing when the steam pipe was going to
Speaker 1: be off or on, because it's like if you get
Speaker 1: caught in a steam pipe, like you're gonna you'll burn
Speaker 1: up like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that like I had that incident with my
Speaker 2: radiator where like the nozzle went off and the steam
Speaker 2: was just pushing through it hurt. It was so hot
Speaker 2: and like intense, Like I did keep thinking about burning, yeah,
Speaker 2: and one of the steam pipes. That was going through
Speaker 2: my mind a lot. And then they left behind clothing
Speaker 2: in their beds, so it look like they were there
Speaker 2: so very tgif very teen sneaking out situation. And I
Speaker 2: saw the photos of the clothing, like the dummies they
Speaker 2: made in the bed and it did you know, it's
Speaker 2: passable enough and they are smart. So at eleven PM
Speaker 2: there's night checks and then they put their dummies. But
Speaker 2: then there's like the whole point of the searches is
Speaker 2: you have to see skin, and none of the people
Speaker 2: saw skin, but they're like, oh, they're in their beds.
Speaker 2: So the casual searches of the episode are the casual
Speaker 2: searches of this case and not today. I can't believe
Speaker 2: we're bringing up Ferris Bueller again, but yes, very Ferris
Speaker 2: Bueller leaving your dummies after the night Watch and to
Speaker 2: plan for the.
Speaker 1: Escape from Alcatraz as well. In escape from Alcatraz, he
Speaker 1: makes a full plaster mold of his head and paints
Speaker 1: it and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, and like okay, like you said, they have
Speaker 2: to like study all this, So Sweat climbed out of
Speaker 2: his cell over eighty five times to like dig the things,
Speaker 2: do the things that go through it all, and that
Speaker 2: in all of this time, that means there was four
Speaker 2: hundred required checks and no one was ever able to
Speaker 2: catch him. Wrote like Bill, sawing through the prison walls.
Speaker 2: He eighty five times. And so then there's notes. So
Speaker 2: they left little notes. So one of them it said
Speaker 2: have a nice day, exclamation point, and then it had
Speaker 2: a racist caricature of an Asian man. So whatever you're thinking,
Speaker 2: that's what it looked like. And Sweat said that the
Speaker 2: drawing was given to him by another inmate a few
Speaker 2: days before, but he just wrote have a nice day.
Speaker 2: And then Matt left some notes too. One he wrote,
Speaker 2: you left me to no choice but to grow old
Speaker 2: and die in here. I had to do something six
Speaker 2: five fifteen, never changed, stay the same, have a good summer,
Speaker 2: like so funny to date it hags And also a
Speaker 2: note on his painting of Tony Soprano that he did
Speaker 2: and on it he wrote time to Go Kid, six
Speaker 2: five fifteen. The whole escape took an hour, but the
Speaker 2: plan did get drailed. So you're like, okay, Like, so
Speaker 2: you're just gonna run in the wood again the fugitive
Speaker 2: I brought it up, like yeah, so it's like you're
Speaker 2: just gonna run in the woods, Like it doesn't seem
Speaker 2: worth it. Like in my head, I'm like, at least
Speaker 2: you're here on Honor Block, Like is it worth trying
Speaker 2: to escape in the woods? Like that doesn't make sense
Speaker 2: to me, But it is because Joyce Mitchell was supposed
Speaker 2: to meet them with a getaway car. If you don't
Speaker 2: think that's Taylor Swift coated, I don't know what to
Speaker 2: tell you. But she didn't show up. She had cold
Speaker 2: feet and she decided not to. Obviously it's a sliding
Speaker 2: door moment, like what could have happened. But the plan
Speaker 2: was to drive to Mexico, which also seems so hard.
Speaker 2: Get a boat, go to an island.
Speaker 1: See want tona Ho. That's the whole point of shosh
Speaker 1: anng retemption. They want to go to Zeewat Naho in Mexico.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and so, but Joyce was safe.
Speaker 2: So she actually checked herself into a hospital with a
Speaker 2: case of the nerves and claiming that she had chest pain.
Speaker 2: And this for sure saved her life. Like they would
Speaker 2: have killed her eventually, you know what I mean. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: so they escape, they are gone for twenty two days.
Speaker 2: That is humiliating. You have fifteen hundred officers and it
Speaker 2: took you that long. I just think that's so embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Like ABC News quoted someone that said it's a portrait
Speaker 2: of a broken prison system, and officials said both men
Speaker 2: took advantage of it to stage this escape. And it's like, no,
Speaker 2: you're bad at your jobs, Like this isn't a systemic
Speaker 2: it like there's issues within the prison system and it's
Speaker 2: mostly how we treat prisoners and like that it's private visites,
Speaker 2: Like I like, this isn't part of a broken prison.
Speaker 2: You guys weren't doing your searches and you let someone
Speaker 2: take let out of their cell eighty five times, like
Speaker 2: it is wild to me that they think it's like
Speaker 2: systemic when it's like, no, your your prison sucks. You
Speaker 2: would think like once.
Speaker 1: A week there'd be like a full sweep of your
Speaker 1: cell to make sure no holes or whatever are being.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's gonna get better and better. I
Speaker 2: can't wait. Okay. So, and I think that's why we
Speaker 2: cheer on prison breaks. It's because it is embarrassing to
Speaker 2: the like all to the system. Okay, but you know
Speaker 2: it is a whole community is scared. They're in their homes.
Speaker 2: They're like uh oh, and people are forced out of
Speaker 2: their homes so searches can happen. Also told not to
Speaker 2: leave their house. Also, like what if they're hiding in
Speaker 2: your home? It is all very very cleick. Yeah. It
Speaker 2: costs so the overtime for the cops alone New York State,
Speaker 2: it costs twenty three million dollars. WHOA. And it's like
Speaker 2: it's your own fucking failures. So all the failures. So
Speaker 2: they failed to search bags of employees brought into the facility,
Speaker 2: they skipped prisoner accounts, they skipped cell searches, and even
Speaker 2: when they did search they were hasty. So Matt's cell
Speaker 2: was searched March twenty first, twenty fifteen, and they failed
Speaker 2: to detect an eighteen and a half inch hole in
Speaker 2: the rear wall of the cell. That and the the
Speaker 2: whole cell is only forty eight square feet. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So there was like a hole during the search and
Speaker 2: no one ever saw it, And supervisors also knew about
Speaker 2: Mitchell's weird relationship with them, and no action was ever taken.
Speaker 2: Like colleagues and supervisors called out Mitchell for her chumminess
Speaker 2: at the start of twenty twelve, like a lot of
Speaker 2: people had to retire. So even after all of this,
Speaker 2: seven other prison employees resigned or retired because they fucking
Speaker 2: knew shit was going down and didn't stop it.
Speaker 1: So she cocked her husband pretty bad, huh, Like at work,
Speaker 1: Come on, man, that's humiliating for him.
Speaker 2: Crazier it gets easier. I'm like' so what I mean?
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously these people are murderers, but it's hard
Speaker 2: not to like, like, I mean, it is an easy
Speaker 2: day in the office for us personally, like in terms
Speaker 2: of cases like this is right nice, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: so you know, two and a half weeks go by
Speaker 2: June twenty six, police get reports of shots fire near
Speaker 2: Route thirty and a driver of an RVs had bullet
Speaker 2: holes inside of his camper. So then there's a sighting
Speaker 2: of Richard Matt, crazy name. So there's a sighting of
Speaker 2: Richard Matt in the woods and US Customs tactical team
Speaker 2: confront him and there's a shootout and Matt is killed sadly,
Speaker 2: so there is there is death. He was surrounded by
Speaker 2: police near Elephant's Head, about fifty miles from the prison,
Speaker 2: and the day they found him was because okay, so
Speaker 2: you know, they get they get people calling in, they
Speaker 2: know he's around. But he had a gun, and he
Speaker 2: was in a normal position and he could have caught
Speaker 2: but he coughed. He coughed. Oh no, that's what gave
Speaker 2: up his position. He coughed, and there are tons of
Speaker 2: border people. Matt was armed with a twenty gage shotgun,
Speaker 2: laying in the woods, aiming at the agent's post. Cough.
Speaker 2: They're like, put down your weapons, put your hands up.
Speaker 2: He did not comply, so he was shot and killed.
Speaker 2: But from that was set up the perimeter to find
Speaker 2: his friend's Sweat. So once Sweat's friend was dead, like
Speaker 2: Sweat would only travel at night avoid locals, and he
Speaker 2: shaved his face, but he did make a mistake. He
Speaker 2: was becoming anxious, so he decided to move in the
Speaker 2: daylight and then was spotted. So, I mean, who knows
Speaker 2: if you just waited for nighttime what could have happened.
Speaker 2: But the cop I mean fifteen hundred cops were in
Speaker 2: the area and the border Canada US teams too, So
Speaker 2: it's I can't imagine this. They're just like in wilderness
Speaker 2: the whole time. Yeah, well there's towns. I think it's rural,
Speaker 2: you know, but like, yeah, but that's why you can't
Speaker 2: be in there in the day because I'm assuming small
Speaker 2: town where people know of each other, like yeah, even
Speaker 2: my god. Yeah. So two days after Matt finally, June
Speaker 2: twenty eighth, a sergeant with the State Police observes a
Speaker 2: dude walking in a field close to the Canadian border,
Speaker 2: which ended up being David Sweat. He was shot in
Speaker 2: the torso and brought into custody. He was only a
Speaker 2: mile and a half from the Canadian border. Oh, he
Speaker 2: was close. He was. He was not armed when found
Speaker 2: and he did try to run though, and that's why
Speaker 2: he got shot. Joyce aka Bronwin aka the prison Hoe.
Speaker 2: She was convicted for providing material support to the prisoners.
Speaker 2: She was fifty three years old and obviously like she
Speaker 2: was manipulated by these people, Like you know, she's not.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm making fun of her, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: she's a victim of something. But she fucked up. Sorry,
Speaker 2: she pled guilty. She pled guilty for promoting prison contraband
Speaker 2: in the first degree and then criminal facilitation in the
Speaker 2: fourth degree. She was sentenced to two and a half
Speaker 2: to eight years in September twenty fifteen, an order to
Speaker 2: pay also eighty thousand dollars in restitution for damages incurred
Speaker 2: during the escape. She did tell the judge if she
Speaker 2: could take it all back, she would, so that's staby.
Speaker 2: She news she does regret it. She said it was
Speaker 2: the biggest mistake she's ever made. She was denied parole
Speaker 2: in February twenty seventeen because the board said she was
Speaker 2: emotionally unstable and easily manipulated. Yikes. Mitchell was released from
Speaker 2: prison in February twenty twenty Wow write in time for
Speaker 2: COVID crazy after serving five years at Bedford Hill's correctional
Speaker 2: facility in Westchester County. New this is close to where
Speaker 2: I grew up.
Speaker 1: That's only like twenty five minutes from where I grew
Speaker 1: up twenty or thirty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a lot of prisons, I guess in
Speaker 2: the tri state situation. She was also then supervised in
Speaker 2: Franklin County until June twenty twenty two. She also had
Speaker 2: to give up her teaching certificate. Maybe she was a
Speaker 2: tailor teacher, but the plea deal, she needs to know,
Speaker 2: not teach anyone anything. She went back to her house
Speaker 2: that she shared with her husband, and Lyle Mitchell visited
Speaker 2: his wife every other weekend. Throughout her sentence.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe he like knew that she was just such
Speaker 1: a suggestible person and like felt bad for her, like
Speaker 1: because she got manipulated because she just doesn't have any.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Oh Man anyway, So now Sweat almost
Speaker 2: right away after being captured, started bragging to the cops.
Speaker 2: He's like, this was all my idea. But his friend
Speaker 2: is dead, so we don't actually know anything, Like his
Speaker 2: friend in cohort is dead, and so this gossip he
Speaker 2: just started chatting. So a lot of what comes after
Speaker 2: this is like what he's told us, which I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's true or not. But because he was
Speaker 2: already serving life in prison. Now he's serving life at
Speaker 2: the Five Points Correctional Facility, and you know Max Security
Speaker 2: in Romulus, New York, which is two hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: miles south of Clinton. And it's like you fool. Now
Speaker 2: he's in solitary confinement twenty three hours a day. Like
Speaker 2: you were getting big Max, you were getting nudes. You
Speaker 2: were walking around painting, Like what a fucking idiot? Like yeah,
Speaker 2: even with the car. But I guess freedom, I mean
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't speak for his killers. A spokesperson
Speaker 2: for New York State Department of Correction set in a
Speaker 2: report to the intelligence sir, which is like a New
Speaker 2: York magazine part. The department has put in place a
Speaker 2: number of reforms that Clinton, including installing new cameras, security gates,
Speaker 2: retraining and disciplining staff to make sure this does not
Speaker 2: happen again. The upgrades to the prison and like to
Speaker 2: repair the damage cost five hundred and seventy three thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: But like I said, this report, I mean, this place
Speaker 2: was wild. I don't know what's going down in the
Speaker 2: tailor shop, like I said, But another worker Denise Prow
Speaker 2: was arrested in twenty seventeen for an unlawful romantic relationship
Speaker 2: that included kissing and fondling on at least three occasions.
Speaker 2: So I think, like the tailor shop is just like
Speaker 2: cool women and there's freedom and they're just fucking in there.
Speaker 2: She this woman was making deposits and inmates prison accounts.
Speaker 2: She paid off his debts for him, and she was
Speaker 2: found out. She pled guilty to twenty five misdemeanor counts,
Speaker 2: including promoting prison contraband, sexual abuse, and official misconduct. So
Speaker 2: that you can watch this movie or mini series if
Speaker 2: you want. And so Patricia Kett won the Golden Globe
Speaker 2: SAG and Critics Choice, Stiller won the Director's guilda too,
Speaker 2: And it was nominated for seven Emmys. And it's Benisio
Speaker 2: del Toro and Paul Dano played the other guy, which
Speaker 2: makes sense. Once you see the photos go on her
Speaker 2: instell we'll put it. They'll be photos of them and
Speaker 2: like and sweat is Vanicio? Yeah, Okay, No, I always
Speaker 2: actually fuck it up. They look opposite. It looks it's
Speaker 2: truly the Fox and the Hound. It's like, how were
Speaker 2: they friends? Obviously art brought them together. But and then
Speaker 2: because each time I was like, wait, which one, which
Speaker 2: one's which?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's the opposite. Okay, it's the opposite, And
Speaker 1: is Matt okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, It's really actually hard for me to keep
Speaker 2: them straight because I was just like, oh, yeah, so
Speaker 2: she was fucking that guy interesting, you know, like.
Speaker 1: But also because you were like saying that, you were
Speaker 1: saying that like Sweat was like the one that's like
Speaker 1: more competent and it's gregarious, and that to me is
Speaker 1: like a Benicio rather than a Paul.
Speaker 2: Dano, you know. Or is that what Matt was? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I mean. It's like it really like I
Speaker 2: had to keep checking photos and making sure which ones
Speaker 2: witch in my head and mixing them up throughout this
Speaker 2: then direity of this whole thing, like I cannot keep
Speaker 2: it straight. It's a Mandela effect in true action, Like
Speaker 2: I am forgetting their faces and names as I've gone,
Speaker 2: so you can watch more. Never even heard of this show,
Speaker 2: I can't. I don't know where I've been. And so
Speaker 2: oh okay, So the other inmate from the tailor's shop,
Speaker 2: prel actually was hired as an assistant to actress Patricia Arquette,
Speaker 2: who played Joyce in the show whow So she got fired?
Speaker 2: You know, she got charged, but she got a job
Speaker 2: in Hollywood. Also, also the report I keep mentioning is
Speaker 2: from the State of New York Office of the Inspector General.
Speaker 2: And it's one hundred and fifty four pages. It will
Speaker 2: be linked in our sources if you want to get
Speaker 2: in there. Also the New York magazine sorts The Intelligencer
Speaker 2: had so many photos and I really liked it, like
Speaker 2: of the tailor shop and just all the evidence and
Speaker 2: the whole and everything. And obviously we've mentioned Shashank a bunch.
Speaker 2: And if you're thinking that wasn't talked about and on
Speaker 2: the inside, you are wrong. They talked about it. They
Speaker 2: read the novella and they used it as a source,
Speaker 2: like like he learned how not to fuck with certain
Speaker 2: pipes that are filled with shit. Like Sweat is quoted
Speaker 2: in New York Magazine also saying Shawshank ain't got shit
Speaker 2: on me. But it's like, well you got caught or dead.
Speaker 2: I forgot, but you know they actually made Yeah, Shaw
Speaker 2: Shank is different. And because the fun doesn't end with
Speaker 2: the story, just more facts. Is Sweat was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I was in the best shape of my life.
Speaker 2: I lost thirty pounds climbing through the tunnels and hacksong
Speaker 2: through pipes. So it's like the coolest workout ever. I
Speaker 2: think is trying to escape from prison like he was,
Speaker 2: just like I was feeling myself. So during all this
Speaker 2: hack song. This is actually interesting because of their friendship
Speaker 2: and how quickly it all dissolved. But through the hack
Speaker 2: song and the planning and the process he did I
Speaker 2: end up opening the manhole and putting his head out
Speaker 2: into freedom. But he did make a promise to Matt
Speaker 2: and he wanted to stick to his words, so he
Speaker 2: went back for his friend wow Or because he thought
Speaker 2: he was gonna have the car with Joyce, but he
Speaker 2: said he did. But again, he could be long like
Speaker 2: we don't know, damn, damn, Amora. That is nuts. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember when it was on the news.
Speaker 1: I remember I cannot believe how long they've been gone,
Speaker 1: for like three weeks. Like I just don't get how
Speaker 1: they were, like I guess, yeah, like sneaking into cabins
Speaker 1: and shit, I just don't get how they were like surviving, like.
Speaker 2: They're eating they took stuff with them, so like they
Speaker 2: had I didn't put this in me. They took a
Speaker 2: bunch of pepperoni sticks, they had a bunch of granola bars,
Speaker 2: and there was like one other snack that they they
Speaker 2: had with back piling. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they had food with them, and yeah, that's
Speaker 1: such a good question. I really wonder what they were
Speaker 1: saying to each other when they came out and she
Speaker 1: wasn't there, Like your.
Speaker 2: Little girlfriend didn't pick us up? Like fuck, I know,
Speaker 2: such a different Yeah, I so many sliding door moments,
Speaker 2: so interesting, but yeah, you fucked it up. Now you're
Speaker 2: in solitary, Like I don't I mean, I hope I'd
Speaker 2: never have to be in prison, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: It must suck. But this prison seemed pretty good. Yeah, like,
Speaker 2: well good for an inmate, because they that's what I mean. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: like you're getting big max, Like this woman is having
Speaker 2: sex with you. The guards aren't even putting you through
Speaker 2: metal detectors. I don't you. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I saw some video that popped up on my Twitter
Speaker 1: before I quit Twitter that was like literally a female
Speaker 1: corrections officer fucking up uh inmate. Like it's like just
Speaker 1: like a fully pornographic video of them having sex and
Speaker 1: his sound mate is taking the video and she's not
Speaker 1: telling him to stop. But they're in like a room
Speaker 1: that has bunk beds. They have tons of stuff. I
Speaker 1: think maybe they might be in the UK. I don't
Speaker 1: know if jails are different, but like they have a
Speaker 1: kettle they have like it looks like they're in a
Speaker 1: dorm room like they're and they've got so much stuff.
Speaker 2: I think. I think if you're serving that long, like
Speaker 2: with commissary, and then you have jobs and yourn money,
Speaker 2: you can get stuff you can have. Yeah, yeah, because
Speaker 2: I've seen that before, and not just in Oz, like
Speaker 2: because there's TikTok prison prison videos that's bustin' and they'll
Speaker 2: make like recipes and then at the end they'll taste
Speaker 2: sim be like that's bustin' or not bustin', and how bustin'
Speaker 2: it is. But it's like ramen sandwiches and how they
Speaker 2: make sauces and like, oh, and you know I was
Speaker 2: telling you about in Sacramento when I was performing and
Speaker 2: there was like someone that served prison time and he
Speaker 2: made money making sweet and sour sauce that he would sell. Yes,
Speaker 2: I remember so I think at a certain point, when
Speaker 2: you're in there and you know you are living a life,
Speaker 2: you get to have cup of noodles.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean like I feel like sweat or wait,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, which one got killed Mat exactly?
Speaker 2: It's like crazy to kid. Yeah, and I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Matt was probably like, yeah, I'm not putting my hands up,
Speaker 1: like I don't want to go back, just like kill me,
Speaker 1: you know, right, like you knew he wasn't gonna get away.
Speaker 1: But that's kind of I mean, that's kind of like
Speaker 1: what Yates did, I guess in the end of that
Speaker 1: Chicago Pet episode. Anyway, We've got a great guest, so
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere. Our guest this week is an actor
Speaker 1: and podcaster. She most recently starred in the mini series
Speaker 1: Fleischmann Is in Trouble. She can be seen on The
Speaker 1: Deuce the Marvelous Missus Masel. But let's be honest, you
Speaker 1: know her best as one of the most infuriating characters
Speaker 1: in SVU history, prison Groupie Bronwyn Wilkins Nay Freed. Please
Speaker 1: enjoy our chat with Sarah Storm. Hello, I feel like
Speaker 1: we've been corresponding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been corresponding with did I write you when
Speaker 2: you announced your show?
Speaker 1: Well right away to you on the artist formerly known
Speaker 1: as Twitter a lot about us, how we were going
Speaker 1: to have you one day and we.
Speaker 2: Just had for the right moment. Yeah, the fork in
Speaker 2: the road and is we don't want to watch those episodes.
Speaker 2: They're horrifying, So like the William Bullis episodes are the
Speaker 2: most scary. And so it was like, we'll take our time.
Speaker 2: And then because this is kind of a two parter,
Speaker 2: we had to get you know, yeah, like what did
Speaker 2: we get Rednick or Yeah, we got ra first, we
Speaker 2: got Dallas, then we had to get Jefferson Mays, and
Speaker 2: then we got you for Niche. Man, it's what works out,
Speaker 2: you know. It's like there's a lot of amazings.
Speaker 3: People don't know how the sausage is made. But you know,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm honored. I'm honored to be considered in
Speaker 3: their company.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding? Yeah, it's I mean, you must get
Speaker 2: stopped on the streets of New York, Like there's no
Speaker 2: way you just go through life with oh mention, I
Speaker 2: just can't imagine. It depends.
Speaker 3: It depends on the glasses I'm wearing and I'm realizing
Speaker 3: these glasses are a little bit like those glasses where
Speaker 3: it depends on like sort of what I look like
Speaker 3: and what it can usually tell when things are airing,
Speaker 3: because then people are like, hey, and yeah.
Speaker 2: This is this is so silly.
Speaker 3: But like I think when I started to have like
Speaker 3: a reasonable understanding of what was possible for me as
Speaker 3: an actor, I was like, I would kind of like
Speaker 3: to be that person you can sort of you can't
Speaker 3: quite place. It's like inscrutable. Did you go to high
Speaker 3: school with them? Yeah, and that is kind of where
Speaker 3: things have landed. So yeah, I remember asking Selene Robinson
Speaker 3: at some point on set, like as I was basically
Speaker 3: profusely thanking them and then as coolly a manner as
Speaker 3: I possibly could as a deeply unchilled person, and they
Speaker 3: were looking for somebody who was kind of like unhinged
Speaker 3: enough to do this, and somebody blessed them brought my
Speaker 3: name up and was like, you know, this is kind
Speaker 3: of Bronwin style.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've already had She's already let one major guy out.
Speaker 2: Let's let this. I mean there are types that you've
Speaker 2: got hired again at the person, I mean, at a
Speaker 2: person it's like yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, she got crafty after that after that
Speaker 3: first instance.
Speaker 2: Well, we were on winding it out in the episode too.
Speaker 1: I was like, so when she's in court looking at Rudnick,
Speaker 1: it's like June and then this is all going on
Speaker 1: in February. So in seven months, she's relocated to Upstate,
Speaker 1: got a job at this prison, married some guy, and
Speaker 1: then and then is fully orchestrating a month's long escape
Speaker 1: like it's very you know, Bronwyn she knows how to
Speaker 1: get it done.
Speaker 3: She truly does. I you know, she she uses her
Speaker 3: powers for evil? What can I say?
Speaker 2: Do you well? So the real life case this escape
Speaker 2: for from Dana Mora, she the character like who your
Speaker 2: character is based on, did stay with her husband? And
Speaker 2: I am wondering, do you think Bronwin's husband stayed with her?
Speaker 2: Or was this the final? Was this like a gat
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 3: I think Kyle Kyle? I think Kyle I rewatched this morning?
Speaker 3: Can you tell I think Kyle Ky? I feel like
Speaker 3: she probably picked him very specifically, I think Kyle probably stayed.
Speaker 3: How interested is Bronwyn from prison?
Speaker 2: Who knows? But like I think he's probably still there
Speaker 2: you know what else not to go too fast, but
Speaker 2: because now I'm thinking about like Benson being like, you're
Speaker 2: lucky he left you in that trunk, you fucking idiot.
Speaker 2: But like you and Benson have a fun relationship, you know.
Speaker 2: I love when you're like she has some energy towards me,
Speaker 2: like I don't want this, Like how was working with
Speaker 2: Marishka and like your guy's fun energy a dream.
Speaker 3: She she's just she's so kind and so thoughtful. And
Speaker 3: this goes back to like my first episode. But I remember,
Speaker 3: like my first episode of SVU was my first episode
Speaker 3: of TV period wow, And so I had like read
Speaker 3: the script like twenty times, applied everything I had ever
Speaker 3: studied in school. And I remember her coming in to
Speaker 3: check if she if I needed her for my eyeline
Speaker 3: for they were going to get some like reaction or something.
Speaker 3: And like I just every time I encounter hurt, it's
Speaker 3: like a masterclass in how to lead that kind of environment.
Speaker 3: She's fun, she's funny. At one point, I feel like
Speaker 3: this was when like planking was really big when we
Speaker 3: were shooting Nationwide Manhood. I'm like, she was planking. I tried,
Speaker 3: I'm not athletic, it was she she's a phenomenal colleague
Speaker 3: and she really I think leads like the spirit of
Speaker 3: her leadership is seen and felt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so well put Yeah we hear that from a
Speaker 1: lot of people. She's not as as not as beautiful
Speaker 1: as very good. Ye well, and then I have to
Speaker 1: ask about the energy with you know, we we do
Speaker 1: think Pablo Schreiber is a hot guy and talented, but
Speaker 1: truly well what we'd so some for We went on
Speaker 1: tour for Halloween and amazing a West Coast and we
Speaker 1: asked people to dress up in the audience and we
Speaker 1: had a bron win in San Diego, so bat wives listening,
Speaker 1: but I took her, uh the pin oh amazing.
Speaker 2: She was wearing pin. She had like a red wing.
Speaker 2: Yeah we got a card again on like she was
Speaker 2: fully like she was bringing the bron one. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: like genuinely honored. Yeah, we'll get you the photo. It
Speaker 2: was really it was a thrill. But how like is
Speaker 2: he in charactered as you try to be weird or
Speaker 2: is the extra nice on set to like counteract his creepiness,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, what is his what's that like? Super super thoughtful?
Speaker 3: And I feel like the con I think if I
Speaker 3: hadn't met him a couple times before. Like I was
Speaker 3: thinking a lot about this going in and just reflecting
Speaker 3: on all of this. I would have been super terrified
Speaker 3: if I had like watched the episodes available to watch
Speaker 3: and I had not ever encountered Pablo in like the
Speaker 3: wilds of theater. He had done the twenty four hour
Speaker 3: plays a few times, which I've been involved in since
Speaker 3: like twenty twenty two thousand and one, sorry numbers since
Speaker 3: two thousand and one, and so I have this distinct
Speaker 3: memory of like the year that my eldest nephew was born,
Speaker 3: I think was the same year that maybe his eldest
Speaker 3: kid was born. So I have this memory of like
Speaker 3: us trading baby pictures via phone, like early days of
Speaker 3: all of this, and so like that's my core memory
Speaker 3: of Pamlo Schreiber, which gave me a nice base. I
Speaker 3: was like, he is so good at his job. He
Speaker 3: is absolutely terrifying. I'm nervous to walk in. And then
Speaker 3: like I walked into hair and makeup and he teased
Speaker 3: me like something related to the twenty four hour place,
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, So like he is able
Speaker 3: to occupy that space those courtroom scenes in Psychotherapists, Like
Speaker 3: that day was like thirteen hours and he and Marishka
Speaker 3: every take would just go to go as far and
Speaker 3: farther than they needed to go to get the and
Speaker 3: then took such great care of each other between takes,
Speaker 3: and like they shot some reaction of me, and I realized,
Speaker 3: this isn't about nationwide man hunt, but it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It's okay, wait, we're talking about your whole arc.
Speaker 3: Don't worry, Okay, thank you, and he like they needed
Speaker 3: some reaction shots of me in the jury box and
Speaker 3: like an eighty could have done it somebody. There are
Speaker 3: several options, and this had at that point, I think,
Speaker 3: been like a thirteen some on hour day. And Pablo
Speaker 3: stayed and hung out behind the camera and like fed
Speaker 3: me the stuff that I needed, and I was like,
Speaker 3: dang again, like something about the way that ship is
Speaker 3: run over at SVU, Like I think they bring in
Speaker 3: people who have that sort of ethos and then I
Speaker 3: feel like people lead into that ethos. Like that was
Speaker 3: a real act of generosity. And again my first time
Speaker 3: ever on TV, I was so excited. I was so nervous,
Speaker 3: and like, here is my colleague treating me like a
Speaker 3: colleague and like going the extra mile to make sure
Speaker 3: that I can do my like first ever job.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow, he's he's a cool. He's a I haven't seen
Speaker 3: him in a long time. He is a cool, good guy.
Speaker 3: And at one point, and I'll try and find this
Speaker 3: photo and send it to you, we were doing the
Speaker 3: twenty four hour plays several years later, and I think
Speaker 3: somebody had brought in cupcakes and I think it was
Speaker 3: for Daniel's birthday and he and I like both like
Speaker 3: peeped the cupcakes and were like troll the fans and like.
Speaker 2: And took a fun photo.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, we would love to see that picture. I
Speaker 1: would be so fun.
Speaker 2: No, he really is the number one villain, I would say, legit,
Speaker 2: And he's so good. He's terrifying. Yeah.
Speaker 1: On a show that literally has a new rapist or
Speaker 1: murderer every week, he is like the standout because he
Speaker 1: goes after you know, our beloved main character of course,
Speaker 1: but he's also burning off the fingertips.
Speaker 2: I mean, like that's your intro ya.
Speaker 3: Right, and and all that stuff in psychotherapist right, Like
Speaker 3: I learned while we were shooting from another one of
Speaker 3: the main characters, like the main cast that like this,
Speaker 3: they get research packets or they were.
Speaker 2: At that time.
Speaker 3: And this is a thing that that rapists often due
Speaker 3: to they're victims when there's a court room involved, Like
Speaker 3: I will I'm a survivor of sexual assault, but I
Speaker 3: have never I was never in a courtroom I was.
Speaker 3: I could not imagine being put in that position. So
Speaker 3: that is some odious, nefarious shit to be putting some
Speaker 3: many through who has been brave enough to try to
Speaker 3: get themselves some justice. And I think the fact that
Speaker 3: they like brought that piece in like it's horrifying. But
Speaker 3: also I never knew that was a thing. I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people probably didn't know that that was
Speaker 3: a thing, and now we do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, will you tell us about Dallas Roberts And why
Speaker 2: am I forgetting rednecks real? Jefferson? Yeah, so I feel
Speaker 2: like the other prisoner too if I go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: he was great.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, Robin that's his character name, that's Robin de
Speaker 3: Hayes Seuss. That is Robin de hayes Sus, breakout star
Speaker 3: of Tick Tick Boom.
Speaker 2: Did you watch Tick Tick?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I haven't gotten to watch.
Speaker 1: I have, I have a screener of it, and I
Speaker 1: never got a chance to watch it.
Speaker 2: I came out of I came out.
Speaker 3: Of Wicked, and I don't know why this is my
Speaker 3: reaction to coming out of Wicked, Like I came out
Speaker 3: of Wicked, and I'm like, you know, I think I
Speaker 3: maybe want to rewatch Tik Tik boom. I think it's
Speaker 3: something about like seeing theater people do great things on film.
Speaker 2: It's it's a terrific adaptation.
Speaker 3: I could I could turn this into a Robin de
Speaker 3: Haesu's fan podcast. Like he was reading can I like
Speaker 3: he was reading Elizabeth Gilbert's Big Magic. I think when
Speaker 3: we were shooting that, and I just remember talking to
Speaker 3: him a little bit because we've, like, you know, just
Speaker 3: this New York you see people all the time, like
Speaker 3: we had had. We were having a little conversation I
Speaker 3: think about the creativity and the business and whatever, and
Speaker 3: he's like, no, like go read this. He's just everybody's
Speaker 3: super generous. Jefferson Mays is a theater god. I was
Speaker 3: super intimidated to be in his presence and I was like,
Speaker 3: to your job, Sarah, please don't suck today.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, we were so excited to talk to him.
Speaker 1: He was sipping a tiny little white wine on the
Speaker 1: interview with us, like just so like amazing, I love him.
Speaker 2: Ye, I mean Dallas Robert's also a powerhouse.
Speaker 3: But I think it's like Jefferson Mays brings along the
Speaker 3: legend of like I Am my own wife and all
Speaker 3: like just has walked through so many big theater.
Speaker 2: Things in the many years. So like, yeah, Fleishman is
Speaker 2: in trouble. I watched that. I liked it. How is that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and then of course it's like problem when
Speaker 2: you know it's like the Leonardo DiCaprio meum, but thank you.
Speaker 3: It was the most culturally specific thing I've ever had
Speaker 3: the pleasure of working on. No, but like that's okay,
Speaker 3: And I feel like everything I mentioned, but I can
Speaker 3: only speak about it through the like lens of something else.
Speaker 3: I remember watching Always Be My Maybe Yeah, and watching
Speaker 3: this scene at this house party where kids are coming
Speaker 3: to this birthday party. They tear off their shoes, they
Speaker 3: run through the house, they put on their shoes, they
Speaker 3: put their shoes back on, and they go to the party,
Speaker 3: and like following their POV like you learn a lot,
Speaker 3: like if you are part of that culture, you're probably
Speaker 3: getting a ton of specific references and if you're not,
Speaker 3: you're like you're you're welcome, but they're not going to
Speaker 3: explain it to you. And that's kind of how certain
Speaker 3: aspects of Fleischmann felt like to me. Like since watching
Speaker 3: always be my maybe I was like, God, I want that,
Speaker 3: like I want like I feels like a lot of
Speaker 3: times when we see Jewish people on screen, it's like
Speaker 3: a Hollywood interpretation of Haradi life, which is rarely accurate,
Speaker 3: and like it's there's more like Agatha all along, did
Speaker 3: it really well? Liked did other aspects of Judaism really well?
Speaker 3: But between that and this is Fleischmann, And there is
Speaker 3: no way not to sound nerdy as I tell you
Speaker 3: this story. There's we're sitting around this table. We blockshot
Speaker 3: all three episodes. It was one of the greatest days
Speaker 3: of my life. It was so and like I was
Speaker 3: sitting I was sitting across from Clear Danes, who I
Speaker 3: had grown up watching right on my so called life
Speaker 3: and thinking, God, I want to do that with my life.
Speaker 3: So then to like get a few minutes to actually
Speaker 3: like stare with, like you know, trade eye contact was
Speaker 3: kind of incredible. But it's a shop is dinner scene,
Speaker 3: and so we're rehearsing with one hala and I raise
Speaker 3: my I'm like, I asked to ask Tafia a question.
Speaker 3: I'm like, is this a laham Mishna house? So Laham
Speaker 3: Mishna is like when you make the blessing over Halla,
Speaker 3: you need two loaves and it's sort of symbolic.
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of reasons.
Speaker 3: And she looks at me and she goes, well, of course,
Speaker 3: but I'm not going to burn two loaves in rehearsal.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I will never get to ask
Speaker 3: a question this specific again. And we can also go
Speaker 3: back if you would like a better anecdote for the podcast.
Speaker 3: Like for me, that was a huge I never have
Speaker 3: been in an environment where like we can speak that
Speaker 3: shorthand and be under like she can understand my question
Speaker 3: and give me an answer that gives me levels and
Speaker 3: we can move right on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I may never have that again.
Speaker 3: So like the entire process, like it was fittings were
Speaker 3: around porim, there were a humintash and like, yeah, it
Speaker 3: was my Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's reminding me of like we talked to B. D.
Speaker 1: Wong and he was saying that like on Nora from
Speaker 1: Queen's There was like a lot of that like a
Speaker 1: shorthand that they could just use like from cultural upbringing.
Speaker 1: You know, that's really interesting that you have the same
Speaker 1: kind of experience.
Speaker 2: I loved it. It was I loved the novel.
Speaker 3: I loved Taffy, and so like to get to play
Speaker 3: a small role and like telling that story and to
Speaker 3: play somebody like I feel like I knew, we all
Speaker 3: knew somebody who had like gone to Israel and like
Speaker 3: become deeply, deeply religious. It was fun to like step
Speaker 3: into those shoes and like antagonize everyone a little.
Speaker 2: When you're on your IMDb the scene that's playing right
Speaker 2: up next year photo is Benson taking you out of
Speaker 2: the truck and how it's you guys fighting. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just so much good stuff, really, thank you.
Speaker 3: It was that was that whole episode was so much
Speaker 3: fun to shoot. They I spent like four hours in
Speaker 3: the trunk of that car, and they had props had
Speaker 3: like taken they'd like duct tape over maybe like medical
Speaker 3: tape that they had tried to take the stick off of,
Speaker 3: but Sophia Bush kept having to like rip the tape off. Yes,
Speaker 3: and she's like apologizing after every take, I'm like, I
Speaker 3: signed up for this. I knew this was I but
Speaker 3: like it was lovely there was chicken in my hair. Okay,
Speaker 3: so I have to back I have to back up
Speaker 3: and explain that.
Speaker 2: I think. So they have like that bloodhound that's in
Speaker 2: the scene.
Speaker 3: I believe he was a retired blood He's like a
Speaker 3: retired police dog. So they needed him to chase something
Speaker 3: he was very, very interested in. And it wasn't me
Speaker 3: chicken like many dogs. So like they had put they
Speaker 3: had like scented the trunk with a little bit of
Speaker 3: chicken so that the dog would find it, and then
Speaker 3: you know, once the scene was cute, like a little
Speaker 3: reward of chicken. But the end of like four hours,
Speaker 3: I was definitely like, oh, there's like a piece of chicken.
Speaker 2: In my hair. Was the dog cue.
Speaker 3: He was like an enormous bloodhound. Every I'm a I'm
Speaker 3: a dog person, Every dog is cue.
Speaker 2: I know, he was an enormous blood boy. Is well,
Speaker 2: I mean you got to be a jury for person.
Speaker 2: That's Svu Bingo. I mean that's really fun.
Speaker 3: I had thought a long time that it's like if
Speaker 3: I could manage to be a corpse, I'd really be
Speaker 3: hitting it big, like that could be my moment and like,
Speaker 3: so to actually get to spend a week on that
Speaker 3: set observing all of those people and getting to participate
Speaker 3: in the creation of that episode was like beyond.
Speaker 2: It was incredible. It was so much fun.
Speaker 3: I don't think we recorded my speaking towards the end
Speaker 3: of the week, so I spent a lot of time
Speaker 3: like watching, reacting, learning how how the sausage got.
Speaker 2: Made in the tea and like the actual factual TV
Speaker 2: world love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: And now it's like you're literally beyond Like if you
Speaker 1: just were to like cut out all the main characters
Speaker 1: on the show, top ten side characters.
Speaker 2: Well and I and I mean, it would be fun
Speaker 2: to see you get out of jail in the future
Speaker 2: and come do one more one more thing.
Speaker 3: I'm touched that I'm not dead. One of the makeup
Speaker 3: artists like he would just see me in the hall
Speaker 3: and you'd be like, hey, not yet. And I started
Speaker 3: to feel like it was my nickname it but it's true,
Speaker 3: Like I sometimes wonder, I'm like what I feel like
Speaker 3: bron Win's moment maybe has like passed, like has definitely
Speaker 3: passed by, but like I'm like is she did she
Speaker 3: go to jail. I'm assuming Barbara made sure she went
Speaker 3: to jail, right, Is she still there? What's her racket? Like? Also,
Speaker 3: I think she really did experience trauma in that episode that,
Speaker 3: like everyone around her, I think is too angry at
Speaker 3: her right rightfully so to recognize her care. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: I do sort of wonder what that sort of experience
Speaker 3: with Yates has like done to her. And that's who
Speaker 3: that's made her into, because I think she likes so
Speaker 3: like many people I imagine in that sort of headspace,
Speaker 3: like sees the person she can save, sees the person
Speaker 3: who needs her, and like to be to be assaulted
Speaker 3: and traumatized by the person you're trying to help, like
Speaker 3: to Brek, Like, I wonder what that did to her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like the hatred from Benson is so
Speaker 1: real because Benson, even when she finds a person, even
Speaker 1: when a person's done something wrong and she finds out
Speaker 1: they're a victim, you usually see her switch to treating
Speaker 1: them like a victim.
Speaker 2: But she just will not do that with you because I.
Speaker 1: Think you, like brought her so much trauma from those
Speaker 1: other the William Lewis situation that it's it's really kind
Speaker 1: of I know it's serious, it's a serious episode, but
Speaker 1: your character brings me a lot of like laughed, like
Speaker 1: I think it's you bring humor to the it, you know,
Speaker 1: where You're like, she has a lot of bad feelings
Speaker 1: towards me. I don't think I should be talking to
Speaker 1: her right now.
Speaker 3: It's really I I'm happy that she's able to bring
Speaker 3: a moment of levity, yeah, or like extranists, so like
Speaker 3: serial killers, you know, truly, it's like she's she's kind
Speaker 3: of the worst.
Speaker 2: She's I loved.
Speaker 3: I loved playing her when I'm when I'm handed a script,
Speaker 3: I go to to bat to defend that character and
Speaker 3: chase after everything they want.
Speaker 2: But man, I'm like, yeah, Bronwyn.
Speaker 3: They despise me in the SPU subreddit and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I did, I've not spent a lot of time. Somebody
Speaker 3: mentioned it to me and I went looking once and
Speaker 3: it's like I was like, oh, I think it was.
Speaker 3: There was a meme going around of like who do
Speaker 3: you hate most? Like like villains, like to your point,
Speaker 3: like not main characters, just like people you really hate,
Speaker 3: and people kept sending it to me because I was
Speaker 3: showing up in some people's like collections of like twelve people.
Speaker 3: And I think that's when somebody mentioned the SVU subreddit
Speaker 3: to me, and so I went and I took a look,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, dang, they hate me, and like
Speaker 3: one person crossed the line into like talking about my body,
Speaker 3: and somebody else like course corrected them.
Speaker 2: It was like no, far no, And I was.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm so glad someone like that is in this subreddit,
Speaker 3: and I think that is my signal to gracefully exit.
Speaker 3: But when I need a pithy like blue sky bio,
Speaker 3: I think it might say that right now, like most
Speaker 3: hated person in the SVU sub Yeah, Like I think
Speaker 3: I wear that as a badge of honor.
Speaker 2: Literally I just googled it really quickly.
Speaker 1: Bronwin as if you read it, and it's like Broadwin
Speaker 1: is so bizarre, fucking Bronwin. I despise bra who is
Speaker 1: the worst small character and why is it Bronwyn like.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you know, if I'm inspiring that level
Speaker 3: of hatred, then I did something right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they gave you you you played a
Speaker 1: character who let multiple serial killers go so like the worst, yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love to see a Bronwin out of jail
Speaker 1: in the city. She's a witness to a crime in
Speaker 1: her and Benson cross paths again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Benson and Noah are just in the streets,
Speaker 2: and then like she just sees Bronwin standing.
Speaker 1: Because I think Bronwyn, we need Bronwyn to apologize to
Speaker 1: Olivia at some point and be like, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: was in a bad place. I was chasing after the
Speaker 1: wrong men in my life. You know, do you think
Speaker 1: do you think that she's reformed? Do you think she's
Speaker 1: grown like that?
Speaker 2: No? In prison? Probably not. Well, I'm also curious at
Speaker 2: what you're what what you do at your job and
Speaker 2: the shows you met here at the studio you say
Speaker 2: you also love it. I am curious about Oh yeah, totally, totally.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: I am a senior producer on LinkedIn's editorial production team.
Speaker 3: So I work. I work at a tech company. I
Speaker 3: have an arts job at a tech company. Don't let
Speaker 3: that get out too much. So we make several shows
Speaker 3: in house. We partner with a bunch more as part
Speaker 3: of the LinkedIn podcast network. I got to help launch
Speaker 3: that network in twenty twenty two. The thing I realized
Speaker 3: as I was getting ready to sort of pivot away
Speaker 3: from like actor survival jobs. Was I wanted to be
Speaker 3: doing things that I felt were like helpful and additive.
Speaker 3: And I really think that the stuff that we're making
Speaker 3: is helpful and additive to people at various points in
Speaker 3: their careers, sometimes even their job searches. And so I
Speaker 3: love what I do. I work with incredible, incredible people,
Speaker 3: and I love hearing from members who like listen to
Speaker 3: our shows. You do not have to be a LinkedIn
Speaker 3: member to hear any of this. It's wherever you listen
Speaker 3: to podcasts. Oh wow, but yeah cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for taking the time to talk to us.
Speaker 2: I was doing shows in Cincinnati this weekend and someone
Speaker 2: I try to give the people that come out to
Speaker 2: see me like tidbits because they're just humans, right. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, bron Win's coming this week, and everyone was
Speaker 2: very excited. I'm like, we're getting Bronwin, baby.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much. This has been delightful.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your nation.
Speaker 2: Yeah you too. Okay. I was like obsessed with Sarah,
Speaker 2: like she remembered so much, so thoughtful, She's such a
Speaker 2: lover of the craft and all the theater and knows
Speaker 2: everything and is so specific in her storytelling and moments
Speaker 2: and yeah, like yes, what she does means a lot
Speaker 2: to her and.
Speaker 1: It's cool totally and so like eloquently putting how she
Speaker 1: found like the vibe on the set and the opportunity
Speaker 1: that she was having and yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like what we want from all the guests. I know.
Speaker 2: I'm like, can you remember every detail and like all
Speaker 2: the people and give us the nuanced answers please?
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, Like every single moment, every little comment from
Speaker 1: a director.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: We love the specifics that said, if you made an
Speaker 1: episode twenty years ago, we would still like you to
Speaker 1: be on the show. If you don't know, yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: have you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh I wouldn't know about the double Hallas. I
Speaker 2: would be like, can we eat this for real? Like
Speaker 2: I would just be happy there's holla around. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: really that failing my Jewish tests here, but that.
Speaker 1: Was awesome and uh, I guess yeah, we could just
Speaker 1: go right into it.
Speaker 2: Do you know what? I think so much about the
Speaker 2: Camp of Bronwyn and just the sort like there's just
Speaker 2: so much that I do. I did forget that Yeats
Speaker 2: is like an animal, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: he really did fuck her up, and Rednick is the
Speaker 2: sweet soul murder of you know, he did, you know,
Speaker 2: decapitate a woman but somehow let her go. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and for being so wealthy. It is weird that Rudnick
Speaker 2: works as a medical examiner like it.
Speaker 1: Ask my question though, do we think Rudnick has killed
Speaker 1: a bunch of times since the killing when he was young,
Speaker 1: like years he gets.
Speaker 2: His jolly is off, like dissecting, just doing.
Speaker 1: This stuff in the morgue, Like do you think he's
Speaker 1: kind of like that's what he figured out was his
Speaker 1: like way to like stop his urges to kill, was
Speaker 1: like working in the morgue.
Speaker 2: And then the next person he kills.
Speaker 1: Yes, of course he murders and like like chops up
Speaker 1: the the Yates's wife or baby mama whatever, but like
Speaker 1: before in between them, do you think he kills.
Speaker 2: The way Yates like has to kill. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like most conscience if he lets Bronwin go,
Speaker 1: whereas Yates is an animal, like you said, yeah, he
Speaker 1: needs it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. This I mean not to keep talking about Luigi,
Speaker 2: but it is like when you know, we're into murder
Speaker 2: now it's like we're like, listen, Rudnick, he figured it out.
Speaker 1: I just what are the chances that, like we were
Speaker 1: did this interview while a nationwide manhunt was concluding.
Speaker 2: It's just like very you know, it's very coincidental. I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: But post mortem on this episode, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know how much takeaway there is for the average person.
Speaker 1: Don't start a love affair with a serial killer. Don't
Speaker 1: do it twice. I don't know, Like, don't do it
Speaker 1: two times, like they're going to lock you in the
Speaker 1: trunk of a car and drive away.
Speaker 2: They don't. Yeah, they're they are criminals who got caught
Speaker 2: who want to not be caught. Like stop, stop, it's
Speaker 2: not real. You know, we really drill into opposites. Attract
Speaker 2: or love can find you anywhere. But let's say prison's
Speaker 2: not it prison?
Speaker 1: Do you think, like the guy that didn't die and
Speaker 1: now I'm forgetting because their names are so interchangeable in
Speaker 1: the Dana Mora escape, like he just like sits in
Speaker 1: prison every day and thinks about ways that the plan
Speaker 1: got fucked up because like I mean, wow, because it's
Speaker 1: like you're not gonna the stars are not gonna align
Speaker 1: that way. Again bro, and so they're probably keeping a
Speaker 1: serious watch on you.
Speaker 2: Now when it wasn't fun, like that's the whole thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, I don't know what it's like to
Speaker 2: be so captives that Like maybe that was fun, but
Speaker 2: like fighting for your life at night in the woods
Speaker 2: just doesn't even seem that more enjoyable than like getting
Speaker 2: fucked in the tailor room. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they kind of walked away from a good situation
Speaker 1: that they had.
Speaker 2: I know, it was life, but it's like this woman
Speaker 2: was paying off debt, Like it seems like people were
Speaker 2: the employees were down to fuck, like.
Speaker 1: Overall, few cheeseburgers, like, come on, like it wasn't that bad. Wow,
Speaker 1: this one wild, I mean, just such a wild episode, uh,
Speaker 1: bringing back Bronwyn, linking together multiple serial killers bringing a
Speaker 1: world c I remember when I watched this when it
Speaker 1: was first on, being like I wonder how much the
Speaker 1: police departments of Chicago and New York actually interface, you know,
Speaker 1: like how much are they actually working on crimes of
Speaker 1: a killer that just works between those two places, like
Speaker 1: dick Wolf makes it seem like they are just side
Speaker 1: by side squads. But you know, maybe maybe a lot
Speaker 1: of people got into Chicago p D from this who knows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to know do crossovers work, like do
Speaker 2: the lead and so I mean, I'll tell you the
Speaker 2: greatest of all time was Beverly Hills Housewives and the
Speaker 2: vander Pump Rules. But I really can't think of any other, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I gotta get into this one that never yeah, has
Speaker 2: a crossover. I'm usually like piss, it didn't even work
Speaker 2: for organized crime and I'm an SBU podcast, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you'd think I want Maloney back in my life. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it did for me.
Speaker 1: I'm still a season behind though, so we'll see if
Speaker 1: I catch up. I'm gonna try to catch up up
Speaker 1: with that over the holidays. Actually, just like do a
Speaker 1: day of just watching OC NonStop Maloney in my face
Speaker 1: the whole time, because I do like it.
Speaker 2: It is good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I got like I was. It depends if
Speaker 1: we're talking about crossover versus spinoff. I mean from nine
Speaker 1: O two one, oh, I went right into melrose Place
Speaker 1: and like all these other like that was a crossover.
Speaker 1: Like there were some crossovers get me sometimes, but yeah,
Speaker 1: vander Pump and Beverly Hills is uh that's a good one.
Speaker 2: I realized that melrose Place and nine O two one
Speaker 2: zero were linked outside of just Aaron spelling, like, I
Speaker 2: didn't realize there was crossover.
Speaker 1: Yes, Jake, the main hottie on melrose Place was like
Speaker 1: in a flirtation with Kelly on Beverly Hills Rid Toto.
Speaker 2: So that's how it's popped off.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Grant Show.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I used to watch I used to
Speaker 2: watch melrose and Beverly Hills. I loved them so much.
Speaker 2: But what do you think? Should we move on to
Speaker 2: what would Sister Peg Do? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this week, so what would mister Peg Do?
Speaker 1: Our weekly segment where we direct you towards an article,
Speaker 1: a book, an organization, something to give you more info
Speaker 1: about what we talked about in today's episode. We wanted
Speaker 1: to obviously point you to the mini series Escape at
Speaker 1: Dana Mora, like we described it in the episode. It
Speaker 1: stars Paul Dano, Benicio del Toro, and Patricia Arquette.
Speaker 2: It's directed by Ben Siller.
Speaker 1: It like was nominated and I think won a bunch
Speaker 1: of awards, and it's now on Netflix. So if you're
Speaker 1: looking for something to watch in these last few days
Speaker 1: of holiday break escape a Dana Mora give you more
Speaker 1: info on uh that that escape may help you visualize
Speaker 1: the whole escape, and that will be posted the day
Speaker 1: this episode comes out in our stories Saved Forever, in
Speaker 1: our WWSPD highlight on our Instagram page.
Speaker 2: You know, I was talking shit about how I don't
Speaker 2: want another Jean Vine like Ramsey show, you know, but
Speaker 2: I talked to someone who watched and said their opinion
Speaker 2: to change. Interesting.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like a lot of people said their
Speaker 1: opinion changed about Casey Anthony when they watched that one,
Speaker 1: and I just I just can't change my opinion.
Speaker 2: I don't think on that one. But maybe I'm wrong. No,
Speaker 2: she did it and she got away with it. And yeah,
Speaker 2: if you commit a crime, I would try to hire
Speaker 2: that lawyer. Like I don't have to tell you. Next
Speaker 2: week we will be doing Prodigy. I'm excited, Season three,
Speaker 2: episode thirteen, and we'll see you in the New Year. Wow.
Speaker 2: How special.
Speaker 1: Happy New Year's Eve everybody, and we'll see you in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: Dun dun