1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday, Am Tracy V. 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Fry, and we had our Unearthed 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: to close out the year. As this week's episodes, UM 5 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: I wrote the vast majority of them before taking off 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: work for the holidays, and uh, as I alluded to 7 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: at the beginning of part one, when I made that plan, 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: I really didn't think we had January third off as 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,319 Speaker 1: a company holiday. Once I found out that we had 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: January third off as a company holiday, it was it 11 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: was too late to revisit my schedule plan. And I 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: also did not want to work on my free day 13 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: off that I didn't know I had. So that is 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: why I was going through all of my RSS stuff 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: and more importantly, the things I emailed to myself over 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: the break, because whenever I saw something that really grabbed 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: my attention, I would sudden I would just emailed myself 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: the news article to look at when I got back 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: to work. Something I emailed myself that I did not 20 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: put in is there was an article in The Skeptical 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: Enquirer that named the person that the author believed was 22 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: Roland Doe from the extras case, and I had originally 23 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: typed up a thing to include in here, but I 24 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: was checking with you, Holly, who researched that episode of 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: the show, about whether this was actually new information. And 26 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: it does not appear that it was, like it's got 27 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: a lot of news coverage as though this was newly revealed. 28 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: But when I went to like do some fact checking, 29 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: I found a lot of stuff dating back to like 30 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: five years ago, ten years ago and longer ago, naming 31 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: the same person. Uh. I think you and I talked 32 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: about it, and and you had not gotten into that 33 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: specific in the Exorcist episode. Because this person still has 34 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: living kin. This is a I mean a sensitive thing 35 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: for a family. I would imagine we don't want to 36 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: harm people with our podcast exactly. Um. And so when 37 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: I realized that I took that part out something that 38 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: I found, uh, real frustrating when I was doing the research. Um, 39 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: We've had various things that we've talked about in the 40 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: past few installments of Unearthed that have been work that 41 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: has like confirmed Indigenous nations oral histories, with the indigenous 42 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: nations themselves being part of the research involved in the research. 43 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: And the the one that was about the catching salmon 44 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: and and intentionally keeping only the male salmon and returning 45 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: the females to the water, and how that had been 46 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: really import and so maintaining the salmon populations. Brought up 47 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: a conversation I had had with a friend of mine 48 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: about how when Europeans arrived in North America, a lot 49 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: of people were like, Wow, this is an amazing bountiful 50 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: land full of bounty, and it that didn't randomly happen. 51 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: That was because indigenous people had been stewarding the land 52 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: and practicing husbandry and agriculture for all of that time beforehand. Uh. 53 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: And it just it was a particular find that made 54 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: me real frustrating, uh, because it it's just like one 55 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: specific example of that whole pattern. Yeah, it's a good example, 56 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: not in that it is a good happening, but it's 57 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: a good example in that it it makes it very 58 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: clear that quote that you included that I read really 59 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: does put it in sharp contrast of this worked just 60 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: fine and even very very successfully for a long time, 61 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years, and you destroyed 62 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: it in a hundred and fifty Like that's yeah, Uh, 63 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: it's you can't get much clearer than that. No, And 64 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: it's so relevant to so many things that we've talked 65 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: about on the podcast recently in terms of previous installments 66 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: of an Earth, when we've talked about practices that that 67 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: had been used on the land of the water and 68 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: the animals UM two be sustainable than then also things 69 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: that were more directly about sort of the extraction and 70 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: exploitation of the land, like the Iditar Bell versus Johndie 71 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: Rockfeller episode kind of pulled all of that together. I 72 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: enjoy working on these episodes. I've said that before working 73 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: on it, getting of it done, and then taking two 74 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: weeks off and jumping in Tuesday morning, I it was like, 75 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: I don't know who wrote this. That happens to be 76 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: on the time. I do feel compelled to tell you 77 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: the story. You mentioned that you had not initially realized 78 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: we were off on the third. UM many of our 79 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: coworkers didn't realize that at all. And I had tweeted 80 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: late Sunday night that the next day, the third, was 81 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: a holiday, and we had several of our coworkers replied 82 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: they were like, wait, we're off tomorrow. A bunch more 83 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: had deemed me had been like, are we really off tomorrow? 84 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: This wasn't secret information, it had been sent out, but 85 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: I think it the link to our new holiday thing 86 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: had happened late when a lot of people are left 87 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: for the year, And yeah, I wonder how many people 88 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: worked yesterday. Yeah, and because it because it fell on 89 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: a weekend. I know there were a lot of people 90 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: who normally have New Year's Day off as a holiday 91 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: who didn't because it fell on a weekend. Uh. Like 92 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: my spouse didn't have it as a holiday and took 93 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: it as a day of vacation because he was like, 94 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: I feel like I didn't get my holiday because it 95 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: fell on the weekend. Um. So yeah, it was. It 96 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: was definitely not secret. Just a lot of us missed 97 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: it that we were Yeah. Yes, it just cracked me up. Um, 98 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: here's when I was most excited. And it will surprise 99 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: no one in all of our unearthed stuff. That fabulous 100 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: find about how now the specific dates can be pinpointed 101 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: of Dutch Golden Age paintings. Oh yeah with the Yeah, 102 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: that's cool. I mean that's like an era of painting 103 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: that I am in love with. Um, So of course 104 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: I was like, what, I'm very excited. I'm trying to 105 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: remember where I saw a bunch of Dutch Golden Age stuff. 106 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: I think it was that time that we went to 107 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: New Bedford, UM, while I was researching the Pallcuffee episode. 108 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: I feel like that was where I feel like there 109 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: was a Dutch Golden Age exhibit. UM like the maritime 110 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: maritime subject matter. So yeah, yeah, there's a good amount 111 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: of it at the met. The Louve of course, has 112 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: everything you could ever want to look at. UM. I 113 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: get completely lost in those paintings like that. Just the 114 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: use of perspective in light is like magical for me. 115 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: So that was very cool. I can't remember if that 116 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: was an open access paper or not. If it was, 117 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: I'll send it to you. You You can read it yourself. Coolest, 118 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: the coolest. So uh, that concludes our Friday. I know 119 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people in my life are sick right now, 120 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: so many, so many. If you're sick right now, if 121 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: people in your family you're sick, I really hope things 122 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: are going as well as possible. I know this was 123 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: an unexpected turn of events for a lot of people, 124 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: so really, I sincerely hope everybody is doing as well 125 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: as they can right now and whatever's happening on your weekend. 126 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: I hope it is as good and RESTful as it 127 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: possibly can be in these times. Uh. If you want 128 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: to send us a note about anything or history podcast that, 129 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: I heart radio dot Com'll be here tomorrow with a 130 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: Saturday Classic and have some new episodes next week. 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