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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull. For me, I'm a man,

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Speaker 1: I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well, I

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Speaker 1: want to be happy. You want to be happy? For

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Speaker 1: Dake edyth State is that whoo whoom? And Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 2: Dan Robinstein. Today it is part one of the ACC Preview.

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Speaker 2: We've got three parts in total.

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Speaker 1: This one I think is going to be the most fun.

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Speaker 2: Sir, Welcome back to the show. How are you?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm great, Tie. So, I don't know how long

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Speaker 1: ago it was when we decided that the ACC. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it was just me because it was a very silly thing,

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Speaker 1: was the all Costco conference call in quality in bulk.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a new acronym for the ACC or

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Speaker 1: ACC acrony. I'm very dumb. But I got to thinking

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Speaker 1: about conference preview season in general, Tie, and one of

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Speaker 1: the struggles that I think everybody has, from head coaches,

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Speaker 1: media members, coordinators, position coaches, whatever, whenever you read any

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Speaker 1: of the preview content, or watch the preview content, or

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Speaker 1: sit on a giant pillow and meditate about what you

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Speaker 1: think is going to happen with Louisville's season, or Texas

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Speaker 1: Tech season or cal season, which is what you did

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Speaker 1: earlier this morning. You told me by they did meditate.

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Speaker 1: He did do it. Appreciate it good. Follow your breath,

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Speaker 1: tie feel the breath, enter the nostrils, and really lock

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Speaker 1: in on that. Roll out your shoulders and just take

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Speaker 1: ten minutes. I recommend it. Anyway, have you ever been

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Speaker 1: to or heard of Salt and straw? Salt and sh

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Speaker 1: never Salt and straw ice cream? Not a sponsor.

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Speaker 2: Could be maybe after this, maybe not.

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Speaker 1: We'll see. Okay, this applies to the sport of college

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Speaker 1: football as we are trying to figure out when we

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Speaker 1: learn that a school is starting a Texas State transfer

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Speaker 1: opposite a Delaware State transfer, and then behind them is

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Speaker 1: going to be a col transfer, and then you know

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Speaker 1: at playing free safety is going to be a North

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Speaker 1: Dakota State transfer. And Salt and Straw is a very

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Speaker 1: creative ice cream shop. They come up with flavors. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you've been to Listener, You've been to one of these

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Speaker 1: types of ice cream shops where the flavors are a

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Speaker 1: the jelly beans that were Harry Potter inspired and they

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Speaker 1: that's weird, okay, whatever saltan straw has flavors like I'm

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Speaker 1: making this up, gorganzola, pistachio, and you're just like ooh okay,

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Speaker 1: or mango, mango, brambleberry, hollapeno, and you're just like, ah, man,

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Speaker 1: maybe that works. Maybe it's delicious, and maybe they've cracked

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Speaker 1: the code on flavor profiles and they have the regular flavors,

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Speaker 1: you know, your salted caramel, But then you will come

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Speaker 1: across like auso, right, like the beef dripping flavored ice cream,

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Speaker 1: and you're just like, man, I don't know. I just

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Speaker 1: I'll take a sample, I'll figure it out. I'll see if

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Speaker 1: it works for me. So where are we going with this? Exactly?

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Speaker 2: Explain this to I don't understand the reference.

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Speaker 1: The sport now is such a hodgepodge of thrown together

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Speaker 1: teams kind of seems insane, where you're just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Louisville really struggled on defense last year, but they brought

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's gonna work. Sometimes it's not gonna work. And

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Speaker 1: I think what we're doing right now this sample season,

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Speaker 1: figuring out the samples. Tie. You switched the We're just

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Speaker 1: figuring out the samples and if the flavors can come together.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited for previous season because it's salt and

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Speaker 2: Well, with that pre amble, welcome, thank you, back.

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Speaker 1: To the solidverb.

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Speaker 2: I am Tie, he is Dan. This is yes, part

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Speaker 1: know who's to say we'll get to that. So look,

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Speaker 1: we did this last year. It was a big hit.

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Speaker 2: We had one overview style preview show per Power Conference,

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Speaker 2: and then parts two and three were more of a

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Speaker 2: the acc We can use the salt and straw ice

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Speaker 2: to be pulling out some of the interesting points of

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Speaker 2: comparison relative to last year, relative to the rest of

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Speaker 2: college football talk about the bigger picture, water cooler stuff

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Speaker 2: this conference, I was looking at my note sheet on

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Speaker 1: Call in, call in, call in quality, and bulk thank you.

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Speaker 2: The first thing that comes to mind is that my

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Speaker 2: motto for the ACC this year is that you don't

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Speaker 2: It is truly a difference of Mario Kart Grand Prix mode,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also the fun element of the ACC when

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Speaker 2: People were afraid of that when they rolled the playoff

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Speaker 2: I think they quitted themselves. Well, I think just one

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Speaker 2: Which hit in the fortnite bush.

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Speaker 1: They hit in the bush. But that's if you're talking

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Speaker 2: That will be a very fascinating story to follow this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there is an element of Caid's game that's

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Speaker 1: You just said it. You just said they're your number

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Speaker 2: Sleeper of the Year. Oh no, yours mine, America's Pennsylvania's

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Speaker 2: For the Pit Panthers this year.

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Speaker 1: So it's not terribly difficult to defend the Canes there.

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Speaker 2: First off, the schedule is favorable, okay, which is a

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Speaker 2: both Clemson and SMU. They also get Louisville and Miami

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Speaker 1: The team that started that started seven and oh one,

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Speaker 2: Pitt is sort of my SMU of twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: as well. I really like Georgia Tech. Okay, they're another one.

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Speaker 2: Georgia Tech is going to be feisty as hell and

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Speaker 1: I kind of have a problem with your hair. It's

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Speaker 2: The flawfinder here is that Georgia Tech's got to stay

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Speaker 2: But I love the Haines your way backfield, Haines King, sure,

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Speaker 1: Adding some of FIU's best and Eric Rivers that's right.

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Speaker 1: How wide I like Georgia Tech more than I like Pitt.

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Speaker 2: How do you stack up Miami, Louisville and SMU.

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Speaker 2: I've got it Clemson one, I've got Pitt two, Pitt

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Speaker 1: And then I've got Louisville five. It is spicy. I

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Speaker 1: Okay, fair when you talk about schedules, and this isn't

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Speaker 1: I like Georgia Tech more than I like Louisville. I

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Speaker 1: But I'm not worried about that truly. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: team to feel good about them. Is like number three

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Speaker 1: four in that space right.

434
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 2: Now, I've got SMU at six.

435
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: You see a drop off because everything sort of pointed

436
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: to last year roster wise.

437
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 2: Well, I think two things. First off, they're gonna end

438
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 2: up in more shootouts this year. Okay, I think that's inevitable,

439
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 2: and losing Brischard Smith really hurts. I mean, they used

440
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 2: him as a Swiss Army knife of sorts, got a

441
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: lot of pred for what he did on the ground. Yep,

442
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 2: also caught thirty nine balls through the air. They did

443
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 2: bring in some transfers that I think can help them

444
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: help Kevin Jennings catching passes out of the backfield, but

445
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 2: it's just tough to replace a guy like that. The

446
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: schedule is also, I think, much harder, and I like

447
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 2: RTD lashly. I think there is a pretty good case

448
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: that he's one of the top tier coaches in this

449
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: conference right away?

450
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: Has it lost an ACC regular season game? Has he? No? No?

451
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: No, I mean I really look, what they're doing is

452
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: is marvelous, So kudos to them.

453
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: I just think there's going to be a step back.

454
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: So that is your second tier or third tier.

455
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 2: That would be like my one B Clemson's one A

456
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: one B is Pitt Miami, Georgia Tech, Louis Villain SMU.

457
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: Okay, so that the break is after SMU at six. Yeah,

458
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: the next tier being like feisty, how would you categorize

459
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: the next tier wild cards? Man, Yeah, could go three

460
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: games in either direction. They could go eight and four,

461
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: could go four and eight, could go you know, Okay.

462
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 2: It's easier for me to kind of skip to the

463
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Speaker 2: bottom and then work my way back up because there

464
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 2: are two teams that I think are very clearly in

465
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: rebuilding mode, and those are wake Forest and Stanford, right,

466
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: you know, love Jake Dickert never coached east of the

467
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: Mississippi or maybe once as a GA, but otherwise it's

468
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 2: like a head coach never it's clearly a rebuilding situation.

469
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: The Stanford thing, you know, they got rid of Troy

470
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: Taylor late in the game. They're going with Frank Reich.

471
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 2: Tough schedule, tough situation with the interim coach. I think

472
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Speaker 2: we can get into more detail. Obviously, I keep previewing

473
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: the previews as we talk about them more specifically. But

474
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: everybody else, I've gotten a wildcard tier. Okay, everybody else,

475
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: that being Duke, Virginia Tech, Florida State, North Carolina, Syracuse,

476
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,479
Speaker 2: NC State, Boston College, call in Virginia. Okay, it's a

477
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: big grouping in that meady middle, but I think that's

478
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 2: the only way I could break it up. I kind

479
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: of experiment with like seven different formulas here, but putting

480
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: them all nine teams in a wildcard tier felt about

481
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: right to me.

482
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: I think they're may maybe more to like about Duke

483
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: than those other teams. I think it's a tough non

484
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: conference portion of the schedule. But if for strictly talking

485
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: about them as an ACC team, I think they have Tulane. Yeah,

486
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: they have Toulaine in Illinois, just tricky to lane on

487
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: the road. They had one of the best quarterback upgrades

488
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: in the conference, if not the country in Darien Mensa

489
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: coming in and then it's could be a down. Syracuse

490
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: could be another down in c State could be a

491
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: down cal could be. You know, they do have Yukon

492
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: that's not going to contribute. But Virginia North Carolina wake like.

493
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: Schedule wise, in terms of obvious killers, it's pretty decent.

494
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: Schedule's harder than last year.

495
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: But I take your point, yes, Well, so there's no

496
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: SMU or Miami on this schedule, and if you're high

497
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: on pit, there's no pit for Duke too. There you

498
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: go very high in pit. So schedule wise, in terms

499
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: of obvious killers, it's pretty good. And they bring to

500
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: the table an obviously at least good quarterback and to

501
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: me an obviously good defense. And when you look at

502
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,239
Speaker 1: everybody else, I think you're right to place them as

503
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: wild cards. I think Duke is ahead of the pack.

504
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: In my mind, I have Duke around the Georgia Tech

505
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: tier of things.

506
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: What's really weird And we talked about this yesterday on

507
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: the phone. Yeah, in a conference where it does feel

508
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 2: like there's a lot of volatility in the middle, Yeah, Weirdly,

509
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: Duke is one of the more reliable teams.

510
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 1: If they can, like we'll get into this, this is preview.

511
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: In the preview, they do have questions on offense, but

512
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: their starting point is like a really comfortable one.

513
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: To me, Well, and you trust in the defense with

514
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: Manny Diaz, yep, I think you trust in the quarterback.

515
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: I mean clearly they spent money to trust in the quarterback.

516
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 2: Dariy Mensa one of the top transfers the entire cycle.

517
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: If you wanted to go Mary and Densa, I'd be

518
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: good with that.

519
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: Too, Marion DENSI, did I say that?

520
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, you said it correctly, but you can

521
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: flip it very nicely. I don't know.

522
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 2: I mean they need receivers to step up. There's some

523
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 2: questions about running back. Like again, we'll get into that,

524
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: but like just feels to me with what they've got

525
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: Cohen coming back on defense, and given the coaching staff,

526
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: in his propensity, I've got Duke a top that tier

527
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: as well.

528
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: I think they're right there. I think they could be.

529
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: And we see this in conferences every year. I think,

530
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: who do we see it? We saw like Colorado State

531
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: last year in the Mountain West, where you like, wait,

532
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 1: they're seven and one, it's November fourth, okay, where they

533
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: just sort of quietly are like drafting behind the top

534
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: three or top two or top four or something, and

535
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: they're squarely and then all of a sudden we do

536
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: those conversations about tie breakers and making a conference championship game,

537
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, Duke doesn't need much to end up here.

538
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 2: Where do you put Darien Mensa relative to the field

539
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 2: here in the ACC just in terms of quarterbacks, because

540
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: I think we would probably agree that it's kid club

541
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: Nick Carson Beck at the very top, Kevin Jennings probably.

542
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: Third, Yeah, four higher, Yeah.

543
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: Like I probably go Haines King at Georgia Tech four were,

544
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: But after that, I think it's open for Mensa. Is

545
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: that too high? Would you go Holstein over Mensa? Like?

546
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: Where are we at there? No?

547
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: With how he finished last year and injuries were obviously

548
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: a big part of it. Eli Helstein was not particularly

549
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: efficient overall, as fun as some of those big play

550
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: moments were early on in the season. I just I'm

551
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: not there with him in any sort of top tier

552
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: conversation right now. I think that offense could be one

553
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: that helps him get there, But I think it's more

554
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: for me Haines King Darien Mensa in that conversation for

555
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: number four, and you know it depends on health, I

556
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: think for Haines King and can he stay healthy playing

557
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: like he does, and just the help at receiver and

558
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: offensive line for Darien Mensa at duke, And so I

559
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: think there both of them are a little bit more

560
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: dependent and can't get by on peer talent because I

561
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: think they're just They're going to need some star power

562
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: on that offense around them. But I think those two

563
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: are probably best position. And again, like there are guys

564
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: where like the best of them. Absolutely, CJ. Bailey the

565
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: best of CJ. Bailey is a top four quarterback in

566
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: the ACC, the best of Miller Moss beating LSU last

567
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: season right with USC the best of I mean, take

568
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: your pick. Whom else am I missing from the better

569
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: teams in this conference? Probably not Castellanos. I had one

570
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: other quarterback in mind when I was thinking about this,

571
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: and it'll come to me. But like the best of

572
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:33,719
Speaker 1: these guys are interesting. It's just the consistency factor to me. Oh,

573
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: by the way, was Kien Drones the best of Kien Drones?

574
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: Karen absolutely worthwhile as a top four quarterback in the

575
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: a SEC conversation.

576
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to sit here and say it's

577
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: the deepest quarterback league because I don't believe it is.

578
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: But right.

579
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: I counted thirteen of seventeen of these quarterbacks we at

580
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: least know something about and have some degree of confidence

581
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: around what they can provide.

582
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: Eleventh throws of Steve Vangelly has tied juiced well. I

583
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: watched a lot of Steve Angelly, so I.

584
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, I feel pretty good about Steve Angel After Duke,

585
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: how would you grade out the next grouping of teams?

586
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: I think Pitt's there for me for sure. You don't

587
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: have him at two like me, But I don't have

588
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: him at two. I mean finishing Notre Dame at Georgia

589
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: Tech Miami, not knowing what we get Florida State on

590
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: the road, having the rivalry game on the road. It's

591
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: just I don't know's there's stretches on this schedule to

592
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: have me a little bit perturbed as somebody who would

593
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: love for Pitt to be fun. But we'll see. So

594
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: after Georgia Tech and Duke, it's just that that wild

595
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: card tier to me, I probably if you're starting point

596
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: as CJ. Bailey and intriguing offensive skill, I think NC

597
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: State is kind of in that mix. The schedule's tough.

598
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: Though the schedule's backloaded, it's very backloaded.

599
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: I just think it's loaded loaded. I mean Duke on

600
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: the road in Virginia Tech back to back, No Notre

601
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: Dame on the road, Pit on the road, and Georgia

602
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: Tech back to back, Miami on the road before Florida

603
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: State and then a rivalry gam against North Carolina. I

604
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: just I think there's a lot of action there.

605
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: What holds me back on NC State is new coordinators

606
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: on both fronts.

607
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: Kurt Roper's back. I'm not into their coordinator hires as well. Well,

608
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: he was their quarterbacks coach, but yeah, he's back in

609
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: a coordinator.

610
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: Role that was a continuity higher because they didn't want

611
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: to disturb CJ. Bailey what that amounts to. But he

612
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: hasn't called plays in like eight years. I think they're

613
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: going to be a little bit more up tempo. The

614
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: offense will look a little bit different, but they're trying

615
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: to kind of keep things as much in state to

616
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: prevent against CJ. Bailey either going elsewhere or stunting his development.

617
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: So I get that, but new defense as well. Right,

618
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: they're also making a change on that side of the

619
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: ball because.

620
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: It needed it.

621
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: It's going to be Dj Elliott stepping in. You might

622
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 2: be surprised to hear that he wants to run an

623
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: aggressive attacking defense.

624
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: Of course, as they all do.

625
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: My question is with the schedule and with the coordinator.

626
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: It's a lot to fix with that schedule in just

627
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: one off season, and so you come to trust in

628
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: Dave door In to some extent. But I look at

629
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: this and I say, to my this is like a

630
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: seven and five team to me, maybe eight and four

631
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: if everything breaks.

632
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: NC State has a over underwin total of six the

633
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: last I saw, So they're looked at by our friends

634
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: in the Desert as a bolish team in terms of

635
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: setting a number to get action on both sides.

636
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: I've got NC State far down on this list. Wow,

637
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: I've got Virginia Tech next up after Duke.

638
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I think I have Louisville in that mode. I

639
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: have Virginia Tech there. But there's just so many, so

640
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: many transfers at these schools where you're just like, I

641
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: think all of them have a Texas State linebacker, defensive

642
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: end or something. So just like, who got the best

643
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: Texas State front seven player? Cool?

644
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Tech this year. I think text fine

645
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: under the radar. They need to stay healthy. They got

646
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: to be more assistant, and the schedule more to the point,

647
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: the schedule is definitely backloaded.

648
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: No Rutgers, Baby, No Rutgers.

649
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: So you know they've They've got kind of their own

650
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: equation that they need to solve, and I think it's

651
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: sort of an no, how or never for Brent Prye.

652
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: He's got to get this thing going in a better direction.

653
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: I do think in terms of overall talent on the roster,

654
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: he's done a good job and they actually have patched

655
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: holes and this could be one of the better rosters

656
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: that he's had in his time at Blacksburg. But on

657
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: some level, this is a proud fan base that is

658
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: used to winning, that had an absolute legend there in

659
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: Frank Beemer for an eternity. They are not going to

660
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: stand pat and just wait for this thing to slowly

661
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: gradually materialize. It's been a minute since Virginia Tech was

662
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: in that conversation, and I think they got to get

663
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: there or get closer to there this season, otherwise they

664
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: are going to be real questions about Priye.

665
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: I agree, I'm not especially high on Virginia with all

666
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: of the transfers. I don't know that's a Chandler Morris team.

667
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: Now it's a Chailer Morris. He I think they'll be better.

668
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: I think they'll be Okay, the great irony with Virginia

669
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: this year. Vegas has their over under at like six

670
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: six and a half, and so you look at the

671
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: roster and you say, well, there's a lot here.

672
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: I think they should be better. I'm not sure how

673
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: much better you look at the over under. Well, Vegas

674
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: obviously thinks they're going to be drastically better.

675
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

676
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: Do we really trust in Tony Elliott to suddenly pull

677
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 2: all of this together in year four?

678
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't.

679
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: I don't have them going to a bowl. I'm intrigued

680
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: by the possibility of Virginia. I do think they've made

681
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: some key upgrades. But in terms of the wild card

682
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: tier for me, which again has nine teams, yeah, Virginia

683
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,479
Speaker 2: is one peg above rebuilding mode, which would be wake

684
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: Forest and Stanford at the very bottom. So I'm just

685
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 2: not not picking up what Vegas is putting down with

686
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: respect to Virginia.

687
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: Here's the thing though about Virginia. Here's the counter. So

688
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: they spend a ton, they become very portal active this year,

689
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: building depth building, hopefully star power for both sides of

690
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: the ball channel. Morris totally serviceable on his fourteenth school.

691
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: We'll see what what kind of energy he can bring

692
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: as he goes on tour. Virginia's schedule rules it's not bad. No, no, no,

693
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: it's not just not bad. No Clemson and for you,

694
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: no Pitt, no Miami, no SMU. Road games are at

695
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: NC State at Louisville, which will be difficult. We'll see.

696
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: I think it's a Friday night against Florida State. There's

697
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: some really interesting Friday night games with the ACC this year.

698
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: By the way, Oh yeah, Louisville's got three of them.

699
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: Louisville's got a bunch on Friday nights at cal So

700
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: that's that's a flight at Duke less of a flight.

701
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: But honestly, they have the Virginia Tech game at home.

702
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: Their schedule is great. Their schedule is probably the best

703
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: in the conference because of what you and I, two handsome,

704
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: brilliant people, believe to be about obvious killers in this conference.

705
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

706
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: By the way, did you capture as part of your

707
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: little note taking exercise, the quote that Athlon included in

708
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 2: its preview about Virginia.

709
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't think I did you know, your face and

710
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: your personality make up for that extra seven to ten

711
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: pounds and you can probably get rid of.

712
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: The ultimate Jie, the ultimate Lorenzo Lamas flawfinder. I was

713
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: gonna save this for the Virginia team preview, but I

714
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: got to read it verbto I mean, this is just merciless.

715
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: Quote.

716
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: These guys are in trouble and most everyone expects there

717
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: to be a staff change at the end of the.

718
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: Season or earlier. There's more.

719
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've never delivered on the offensive expectations. Tony Elliott

720
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: sat coming from Clemson. They're sloppy on both sides of

721
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 2: the ball, and we've seen some talented players come in,

722
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: underperform and move on. Let me add an a lips here,

723
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: let me skip to the singer.

724
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: Dot dot dot.

725
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a team you never really worry about playing.

726
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: They lack discipline and they have no real identity.

727
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: End quote. M Well, look, I agree with everything that

728
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: you said that if they don't get it done against

729
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: this year's schedule, investing like they did in the portal,

730
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: that's it. That's curtains. Last year, they finished with the

731
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: one hundred and fourteenth most efficient scoring offense and the

732
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: one hundred and second most efficient scoring defense, so it

733
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: is hard to argue that they did anything reasonably well

734
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: bringing it into twenty twenty five.

735
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: All right, so where were we? I said, I'm on

736
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech. Yeah, I think Virginia Tech's reasonable, Gia text reasonable.

737
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: They've got new coordinator situation as well, which you know,

738
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: well we'll get into, I think in a little bit

739
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: more detail. But Philip Montgomery is going to be the

740
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: new offensive coordinator. They're taking a chance with sam Sefkiss

741
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: the new defensive coordinator. I did a whole breakdown. I

742
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: know other people out there did a breakdown on what

743
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: that might look like relative to the defense. But I'm

744
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: on Virginia Tech. I think Virginia Tech is flying a

745
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: bit under the radar.

746
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, are you where are you putting Florida State?

747
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: Perfect segue? You read my mind? Perfect segue? How far

748
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: back do we need to go in like the catacombs

749
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: of solid verbal war to find the last time we

750
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: got forty minutes into an ACC preview and did not

751
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: mention Florida State once?

752
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: I mean I mentioned them as like, if they're pretty good,

753
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: then everybody's schedule becomes more difficult.

754
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, two new teams are two new schemes this year. Yes,

755
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: a lot of new players. I think a tough schedule.

756
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: They might be better. They gotta be better. They're not

757
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: going to go two and ten again. They just can't.

758
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: But is this an eight win team to you?

759
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: I don't like this is going to sound insulting.

760
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 2: We're all free. There's a show about honesty.

761
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: Florida State's looking to become this year in basically New

762
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: Year one, although it's always sort of a New Year

763
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: one with how much they've hit the portal and sometimes

764
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: it works, sometimes it doesn't. But not only hitting the

765
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: portal but going to both Gusmelson and Tony White. I

766
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: really like Tony White. I don't know if I love

767
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: Gus Melson at this point in his career taking over

768
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: my team's offense. It's tom Me Castellanos.

769
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: He's changed, He's done the Thomas to Tommy conversion.

770
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: Did that bump them up a couple spots or bump

771
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: them down a couple spots? In your contending tears.

772
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: Well, I've decided I'm just gonna fully zag okay, because

773
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to keep it straight,

774
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 2: and I also mispronounced Castellanos all the time as if

775
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: he were Nick Castillanos. Correct, I'm just gonna call him

776
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: Big Tom Callahan this year. If that's cool with you, great, good.

777
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: Chick, go get him Tom Tom.

778
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: Big Tom Callahan is the quarterback for Florida State this year.

779
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: You also mis evaluate at his height, so leading into

780
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: the Big Tom for a five foot nine and a

781
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: half quarterback also is appropriate.

782
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: I think I called him six foot seven last year.

783
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you might have. Was it Emmitt Moorehead

784
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: who you confused him with?

785
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I didn't confuse him with Emmitt Moorehead. Phil

786
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: Steele did in his book, and I just sort of

787
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: blindly took the measurement set face value, and then I

788
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 2: realized after the fact, this dude's five to nine and

789
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: he is not Emmitt Moorehead sized. So yeah, Big Tom Callahan,

790
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: I E. Thomas Castellanos, I E Tommy Castellanos. Yeah, is

791
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: now going to be the starting quarterback at Florida State,

792
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: which is I think an interesting dynamic. Definitely more of

793
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: an older school Malson style quarterback. He's not just a

794
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: Malson style quarterback. He played for Gus malson at UC.

795
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: I know that's what I'm saying, but I'm getting like

796
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 2: Nick Marshall vibes from this is what I'm saying. He's

797
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 2: a really good runner. I don't know if he's a

798
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: good passer. I can assure you he's not as good

799
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 2: as he thinks he is. If you've listened to any

800
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: of his recent comments, they just nobody can stop me.

801
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: Well we'll see. I love it, though Ty, I like

802
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: the smoke. I'm in on the smoke there. I appreciate it.

803
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: Let's get some good positive momentum going here to build

804
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: into this new Florida State season because last year was

805
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 2: a trainer.

806
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: Hey, look, he has experienced shredding Florida State, so maybe

807
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: I'll have new experience shredding for Florida State. Yeah.

808
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: He also has an experience of basically losing the starting

809
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: job at Boston College, So I gotta be honest. I

810
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,439
Speaker 2: was a bit underwhelmed when I found out that big

811
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: Tom Callahan.

812
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: You can't go get him, Tom, Tommy.

813
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 2: I was a little bit concerned when I heard that

814
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: that was going to be their dude, Like that was

815
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: the target of the offseason. He's going to come in

816
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: and he's going to like help reboot this offense. The

817
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: other problem that I have with Florida State, who is

818
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: their gravitational player, their star that everybody has the game

819
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: plan around.

820
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's some combination of younger dudes who played

821
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: thrust into rotation roles last year and transfers.

822
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: Florida State's got a lot of talent, no question, and

823
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: I'm certain that some of those guys will emerge, but

824
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 2: going into this year in a season that I think

825
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: is really pivotal, clearly pivotal for Mike Norvell, he's on

826
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 2: the hot seat. Yeah, who are the dudes who are

827
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: the gravitational Winter Wonder players that you gotta build your

828
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: whole defense or offense around or scheme around, right.

829
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean every basically everybody's new on this offense. So

830
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: like you can say, like, oh, the best of Deuce

831
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: Robinson can go up and get you with former five

832
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: stars Scroll White had some successes at Tennessee, but there's

833
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: nobody obvious who you are, Like, yeah, that's what you

834
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: to your point, that's what you build around. Deuce Robinson

835
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: was a big get. He was Is he gonna be

836
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: the next Johnny Wilson? Maybe Yeah, he.

837
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 2: Was one of the big name transfers in this conference

838
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: coming over from USC Squirrel White another one coming down

839
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: from Tennessee. How they use him? Are they gonna use

840
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: him to try and take the top off a defense?

841
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: And he's a versatile player, his nickname squirrel versatile. You

842
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 2: can find a way to use him in a bunch

843
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: of different capacities. I'm just like, I'm not sure that

844
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: there is that one dude that I'm going to hang

845
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: my hat on and say this is the guy who's

846
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: going to get Florida State back to you know, nine wins.

847
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: They could win seven eight games this year. I don't

848
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: want to go higher than that though. I'm really not

849
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: confident in going higher than that.

850
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: He had a high last year of five catches for

851
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: seventy one yards. Squirrel White against Florida missed some time,

852
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: I believe injured, But yeah, he was like third or

853
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: fourth best receiver for Tennessee. North Carolina a bron topshell.

854
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: Talk about Bill Belichick, right, Yeah, I wouldn't touch this

855
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: win total with a ten foot pole. Yeah, of course,

856
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go anywhere near this. Right now, the win

857
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: total for North Carolina is sitting at seven and a half.

858
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: Well, okay, I think there is a case if you

859
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: wanted to talk me into going under on it. I

860
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: think I'm easily swayed. If you wanted to talk me

861
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: into going over seven and a half via condos, good

862
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: luck with that. But I can be talked into the under.

863
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 2: I think the schedule sets up well though.

864
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: No, it's an amazing schedule. That's what I'm just more

865
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: of the like internal Bill Belichick coming back to college,

866
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: throwing together a roster, some interesting pieces, especially on defense,

867
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: but that it all has to come together, like this

868
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 1: is the salt and straw team of the ACC right now,

869
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 1: where you're dealing with like Chipotle pretzel ice cream.

870
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, I'm with you. I think they're the

871
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: ultimate wildcard. But the schedule sets up well, and I

872
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 2: think you assume a base level competence on defense because

873
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: there's heavy Belichick influence. Literally, there's multiple Belichick, multiple Belichicks

874
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: on this seam three? Right, Aren't there three Belichicks on

875
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: this team at least that we know of that we

876
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: know of, there could be more, who knows. Yeah, So

877
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of intrigue obviously with North Carolina.

878
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: Go Lopez figures to be the quarterback. But it is

879
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: a team heavily influenced by transfers, and we're going to see,

880
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: I think, on full display what Bill Belichick can do

881
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: if he is this mastermind that we've come to know

882
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 2: him as on the coaching front.

883
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: It's a schedule that sets up well. They should be

884
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: a bowl team North Carolina. This is a weird scheduling quirk.

885
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: I noticed North Carolina is one of three teams who

886
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: have by game by on their schedule. North Carolina has

887
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: a bye before Clemson and a bye after Clemson. Miami

888
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: has a bye before Florida State and after Florida State,

889
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: and I think it's Duke, Yeah, Duke has a bye

890
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: before and after Georgia Tech. I don't know what we

891
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: call this in terms of a sandwich, or if it's

892
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: just deli meat with no bread. Whatever it is. Is

893
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: this the club salwe this is it's a reverse sandwich,

894
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: which I guess is just meat. They just cold cuts.

895
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you're you're cutting the carbs, yeah, is what

896
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: this is. I've got Florida State a notch above North

897
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: Carolina in my wild card tier. Okay, and then right

898
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: under North Carolina, I've got Syracuse. Syracuse loses an absolute ton.

899
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: They lose everybody, and they get everything on this schedule. Yeah,

900
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: the schedule.

901
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: One of the questions that you sent to me was

902
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: which team's gonna get eaten alive by the travel Monster.

903
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

904
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if this quite rises to the level

905
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: of travel monster. I think what you're referencing is traveling

906
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: back and forth across the country.

907
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of examples. Cal's a big one.

908
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: Continue But in terms of road games, Syracuse is at Clemson,

909
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 2: at SMU, at Georgia Tech, at Miami, and at Notre Dame.

910
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, they open the season away

911
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 2: from home, a neutral site game in Atlanta against Tennessee.

912
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gonna be tough for.

913
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: Steve Angeli or Ricky Collins or both.

914
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's my nod to the turf monster, which is

915
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: such a great term. But the travel monster is going

916
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: to grab Syracuse. That's really tough given everything that they

917
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: lose and some of their struggles last year, especially on defense.

918
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: But they got to double digit wins in year one,

919
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: which means something is right internally with fran Brown. I

920
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: think they just landed a five star receiver from South Florida.

921
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: Like the vibes at Syracuse, I think are still strong

922
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: to quite strong to me though, yes, schedule, yes, the travel,

923
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: and yes it was a strong portal class last year

924
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: that especially upper classmen that immediately came in and made

925
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: an impact. Defense should be okay in the back end,

926
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: but they got a lot of work to do upfront.

927
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: I would not bet against the fran animal go in

928
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: seven and five though, even given this schedule. It's a

929
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: murder's row of teams in this thing.

930
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: You didn't even mention Colgate. I didn't even mention Colgate.

931
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, but I would not want to bet against

932
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: fran Go in seven and five. Dude wants to take

933
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: a shower and needs to win in order to get

934
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: that shower. So that's motivation enough. I think Syracuse goes

935
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: seven and five.

936
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: They could go seven to five. They could go three

937
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: and nine right now. It would not surprise me either

938
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: way given the road slate.

939
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: I've got NC State next after Syracuse. I know we

940
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: sort of debate where they stand here, but we have

941
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 2: talked about NC State. We can skip over them and

942
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: get to our next teams, which I think are Boston

943
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: College and Cal. Yeah, I'm interested in BC this year.

944
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: I think this is a situation where they'll be better

945
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 2: than their record indicates, just because it's another situation where

946
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: the schedule is murder. They've also got a transfer quarterback

947
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 2: from Alabama, Dylan Wantergon.

948
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: Competing with Yeah, with Graydon James competing, which I think

949
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: we could get a James Bond connection at BC, right

950
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: Lewis Bond and Gi'll have to excuse me, the slot receiver.

951
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: I like where the starting point of BC of like

952
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: pretty good defense. They do have to replace some keycogs

953
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: and if James, if it's Dylan Lonagan, like I kind

954
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: of trust Bill O'Brien with quarterbacks to at least get

955
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: like competent play. The schedule is tough, It seems tough

956
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: in this moment, especially, I don't know, there's just not

957
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: a lot of weeks off, especially for people that love Pitt.

958
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: BC has in somewhat rapid succession Pitt Clemson. Yeah, they

959
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: have Yukon. We'll see, But it's at Louisville Notre Dame,

960
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: SMU Georgia Tech. Like, it's just the back half of

961
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 1: the schedule. It's just a week after week. If Boston

962
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: College is merely pretty good or merely okay, I don't know. Man,

963
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: that's tough.

964
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm intrigued by Boston College. I don't want to

965
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: be too down on them, but it definitely feels like

966
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 2: more of an uphill climb this year than last. So

967
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 2: I've got BC above Cal, I'll tell you that. Yeah,

968
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: and the col situation is another one that is fascinating.

969
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: I think to follow from Afar, really from Afar as

970
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: I'm here in Allentown, Pennsylvania, just a ton of pressure.

971
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: On Justin will to get something done.

972
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: Here has a new boss, a new boss, there's a

973
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 2: lot new so it could go either way, and there

974
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 2: is part of me that wonders. Even though Cal didn't

975
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: have any sort of ten wins season a year ago,

976
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: the team was in a bunch of close games. This

977
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 2: team made its mark online weirdly on social media.

978
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: Sure and good early season vibes.

979
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: And had Miami on the ropes. Probably should have won

980
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: that game. Second half it fell apart, but.

981
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: They were up like three plus touchdowns.

982
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably should have found a way to win that game,

983
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: should have closed a little stronger. I have to believe

984
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 2: that even though CAL is a fan base is not

985
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: isn't one that we're used to talking about. With the

986
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: success of the Calgorithm, with having Miami on the ropes,

987
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 2: with having game day in town. I just feel like

988
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 2: Justin Wilcox has been there long enough at this point

989
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: that if there is not a serious jump in production,

990
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 2: he's another one that's gone.

991
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's just it's the similar question to

992
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: what you had about Florida State with CAL, which is

993
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: what is it that you say you do really well?

994
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: And when they were playing really good defense in the

995
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: Pac twelve and winning all those non conference games when

996
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: they were a Pac twelve team, they were winning seven

997
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: eight games, I believe somewhere in that vicinity, and that

998
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: was with like NFL caliber secondary players and linebackers going

999
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: sideline to sideline and defensive line talent, and they're hitting

1000
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: the portal hard, which is good and a little trickier

1001
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: out of place like CAL. But they're replacing what I

1002
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: think a lot of people think is like a clear

1003
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: like top three round quarterback in for Nando Mendoza, with

1004
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: a quarterback who basically hasn't played at Ohio State or

1005
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: eventually perhaps a true freshman blue chip it's a lot

1006
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 1: to ask.

1007
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, I'm I'm intrigued by Cal and.

1008
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: They're adding Brian Harson to the mix.

1009
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're adding Brian Harson to the mix, right,

1010
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: Ultimate culture guy. Yeah, I don't know that. There's a

1011
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: lot that stinks right now with that program. And that

1012
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 2: being said, it's also a program that as we get

1013
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: into our team preview episode one of the next two episodes.

1014
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 2: Again not to previous too much of the previews, I

1015
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: think there is plenty of reason to feel intrigued by

1016
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 2: Cal and also sends a bit of upside with where

1017
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 2: this team could go this year. I am not banking

1018
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: on that. That's why I've got them low, but I

1019
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 2: do think there are points of of real intrigue with

1020
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 2: the Bears this season.

1021
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: By the way, Cal back to back travel weeks in

1022
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: late September at San Diego State at Boston College. Yeah,

1023
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: that's a travel monster. I don't know if San Diego

1024
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: State's gonna be any good, but just the idea of

1025
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: traveling downstate in California and then to the Northeast in

1026
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 1: a few days, it's.

1027
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: A lot at the bottom, we agree. Way in Stanford, Yes.

1028
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, as we Gabord hit the portal,

1029
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: Stanford did hit the portal.

1030
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 2: Coach, what I was gonna say is, as we get

1031
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 2: into the team previews, it's not going to be a

1032
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: dunk contest on Wake and Stanford. I think we recognize

1033
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: where those programs are at.

1034
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: And I at.

1035
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 2: Least and I know you've done the same. Well, we'll

1036
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 2: try to find the points of optimism here.

1037
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: I like the idea that at least I can be

1038
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 1: talked into basically any of these teams any given week

1039
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: finding the small opening in the death star against teams

1040
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: at the top like Stanford, who they'd beat, The beat

1041
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: Louisville last year. Yeah, in Palo Alto in front of

1042
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: forty seven and a half very intrigued people.

1043
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: One of the all time mind numbing upsets of the

1044
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four season.

1045
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: Yes, that I'm totally in on. I mean, maybe not Wake,

1046
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: but Stanford, Cal, Syracuse, any of these teams that may

1047
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: have a down year having an up week that I mean,

1048
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: Cal should have beat in Miami last year. They absolutely

1049
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: should have. It's given the rhythm of that game and

1050
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 1: how it looked like it was going to come down

1051
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: to it. So I'm still in on the all costco

1052
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: conference call on quality in bulk, not a sponsor could

1053
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: be I'm still in on all quality. It's tough for

1054
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: now with seventeen teams. Is that the number one dealing

1055
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: with teams? Yeah, that not a lot of these teams

1056
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: recruit on like a top twenty five level. That the

1057
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: and here's the sidebar I have. Maybe I can play DIVORCEEAC.

1058
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: I don't know what we can do. I still have it.

1059
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: I do have it. Like there's nothing that really binds

1060
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: together this conference when it's this big, and so many

1061
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: teams are sort of approaching college football within different contexts,

1062
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: like Miami is not approaching football in the same way

1063
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: that Stanford is, or in the same way that Wake

1064
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: Forest is or Duke is, although Duke is investing more

1065
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: and more. But there is something when you have all

1066
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: of these teams that have a wild card element, and

1067
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: like you're down on SMU after they were so good

1068
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 1: last year and I think you justified it pretty well.

1069
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: They're the thing that binds this conference together beyond like

1070
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: seven coaches fighting for their lives right now, is I

1071
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: can't trust any of these people in this conference. I cannot.

1072
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: I made a list, Ty, I don't do this often. Yeah,

1073
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: but I started thinking about the coaches in this conference.

1074
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to name names here, Ty, but this

1075
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: is the list of bullet points I put together for

1076
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: how little I can count on the coaches in this conference.

1077
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Speaker 1: Are you ready? Yes? Okay? Here we go, folks. See

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00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: it might have a Dave Dorn issue. Dating life is

1079
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: a big topic. We're still confused why he's still here.

1080
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: Has never coached anywhere remotely near the East Coast. Is

1081
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: now on the East Coast, has an unorthodox shower schedule,

1082
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 1: doesn't speak fluent. Fourth quarter was replaced by a coach

1083
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,959
Speaker 1: who doesn't speak fluent fourth quarter was an all time

1084
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: bad NFLGM started seven to zero. I'm just gonna keep

1085
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: going here. Here's so many teams finished zero to six.

1086
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: Was right there with Toledo program, best known for social

1087
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: media memes. His team's defense allowed Florida State to score

1088
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: double digit points on offense. Started like last week, but

1089
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: also didn't hold in place the most famous missed field goal.

1090
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: Correctly can't figure out Rutgers wears his hat way way

1091
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: way too low. Has a kink for West Coast quarterbacks

1092
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: that are pretty Dicey late in games, not even close

1093
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: to being twenty twenty four's best head coach named Norvelle.

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00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: I guess that one's kind of easy to figure out

1095
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: that has the same offensive coordinator instincts as Will must Champ. Wow,

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00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: those are the coaches we have in the ACC this year.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's ACC subtitle don't trust anybody, trust no one, provascic, provassic, thank.

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Speaker 1: You, unbelievable. It's a good list. What's your prediction? My

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00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: prediction for the twenty twenty five ACC season is I

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00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: have Empsen over Miami.

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00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 2: Really, good job, good job.

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Speaker 1: World have changed. There's no Miami ACC championships happening this year.

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00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: I've got Clemson over Pitt.

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00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. Clemson over Pit.

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00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got Pit in the ACC title game.

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00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: I like that you are planning this flag. Yeah, I'm

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00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: on Pennsylvania's true team. I'm all in.

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00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: I am, I am all in. And literally every preview

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00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 2: I saw has Pitt in that firmly in that wild

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00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: card tier that I laid out.

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00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't care. I mean, is that also an Akrosser stadium?

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00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: It is an actressure, another acrossure.

1113
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: Double acrossure situation. Sponsored stadium.

1114
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got one in the ACC and now in

1115
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: the Big twelve with the acressure bounce house down at UCF.

1116
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: Okay, they're cheering in Point Breeze Tie Squirrel Hill Brookline,

1117
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: Highland Park. Continue a couple other.

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Speaker 2: Quick questions on the ACC before we let the find

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00:57:59,600 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: people go.

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Speaker 1: Okay, who is this year's Syracuse so double digit wins

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00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: early in his ten year head coach? If not first year,

1122
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: it's probably not a first year coach.

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00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: Or a team that just sort of bubbles up.

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00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: A team that bubbles up has a noticeable jump.

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00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: Duke, Okay, I've got unc Okay, who's this year's Florida State?

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00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 2: A team that now Florida State might be a drastic example,

1127
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 2: but a team that everybody is relatively high on that

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00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 2: fall short of expectation.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's only a couple of options here. I think

1130
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: Clemson is probably, just by definition right, the only team

1131
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: who can truly be this year's Florida State. But I

1132
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be Clemson. I guess with

1133
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: the way you've described things, SMU never lost an ACC game.

1134
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, SMU is mine. I think they fall because of

1135
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: lost production.

1136
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: Yep.

1137
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: Who takes the most interesting next step. For me, it's

1138
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: a pit obviously, it's I've got him number two in

1139
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: the conference. I think you're pretty high on Duke. Is

1140
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: there another team that takes an interesting or more interesting

1141
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: next step?

1142
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: I think just because of the entertainment factor of Virginia Tech,

1143
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: because of what we could get from Kyroen drones. We've

1144
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: seen some really good defensive lines early on in Brent

1145
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: Price time in Blacksburg. So that would be the most

1146
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: entertaining and slash interesting team who is very clearly not

1147
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: made for these times. I say Pat Nardozzi can be

1148
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: a team, could be a coach.

1149
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 2: Okay you're saying nardug.

1150
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't have to say it. He says it all

1151
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: the time. Like we saw last year with Dave Klaus

1152
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: and he was just like, okay, this is this has

1153
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: been enough. I don't think. I think Nardozzi can absolutely

1154
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: feel a nine to ten win team again. I just

1155
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: think there is something about Pitt right now. They don't

1156
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: hit the portal especially hard. Consistency has been an issue

1157
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: to me. I like them fine, but I'm not in

1158
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: on him being like ahead of the curve in twenty

1159
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: twenty five, though, I like Pitt this year.

1160
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: To your point, Pitt is recruiting at a col Golden

1161
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 2: Bears level right now, They were fifty fifth nationally, Cow

1162
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: was fifty sixth. Do you know, by the way, who

1163
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: was the lowest ranked program with respect to other ACC

1164
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,439
Speaker 2: competition just in recruiting rankings, which can be a little

1165
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: bit deceptive in the air of the Portal grant, right,

1166
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: But who was the worst team in the on three

1167
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 2: I guess it's on three recruiting rankings this.

1168
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: Last cycle, Wake would be my guess Louisville because they

1169
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: was it from an average rating or they just took

1170
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: such a small class there because they were hitting I

1171
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: think Portal so hard. I think that's why it's probably.

1172
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: But even still, Louisville's been a program that has poured

1173
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: money into recruiting, both from the several ranks, and sixty seventh.

1174
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Speaker 2: Wake was sixty third.

1175
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: Wow, I think it's a you can check to see

1176
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: if it was an especially small class because they do

1177
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: take in quantity as well as quality. Absolutely no, And

1178
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: again like that's a weird number for Louisville. It's a

1179
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: weird number. Louisville is in the one be contender tier.

1180
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: For me, and I think for you too, however, you

1181
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: want to separate yours out. So they're a good team

1182
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: and they've got a ton of talent, but just in

1183
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: terms of high school recruiting there, they're also one of

1184
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: those teams Louisville just in terms of trust, like I

1185
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: want my contenders beating Virginia by more than three or four. Yeah,

1186
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: and there they always seem to have those two or

1187
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: three weeks that they'll either lose to Stanford or when

1188
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: they're winning, it's not always emphatic in the way that

1189
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: i'd like for my contenders and my latex salesman, excuse me, and.

1190
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: Let's close it out with this one. Yeah, who does

1191
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 2: the most to flirt and blow kisses to the SEC

1192
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 2: and Big ten like ham Porter, remember.

1193
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: Sexy, it's always on the table Tie twenty twenty five.

1194
01:01:49,240 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: Who's doing things up? Who's flirting? Florida State, North Carolina, Clemson, Virginia, Virginia.

1195
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: Virginia's trying they're like pouring money into the portal, Right,

1196
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: they're trying to show that they you know, academics obviously

1197
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: very good at Virginia and you know it's a great

1198
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: college town, and they're trying to They've won a national

1199
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: championship in basketball. They're really trying to blow some kisses

1200
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: at the Big Ten. And if it's if the flirtations

1201
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: go unnoticed this year, I don't know.

1202
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 2: It's probably gonna take another coach to really flirt.

1203
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: Yes, I think so.

1204
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 2: But look in this new world, even though there is

1205
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,919
Speaker 2: this new agreement where there will be an unequal share

1206
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 2: of money going out to the schools that garner the

1207
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 2: most attention in the ACC, and that's kind of a

1208
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: stop gap to keep things together and prevent further lawsuits

1209
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 2: and whatnot. Just go out and read the reporting. It's

1210
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 2: not lost in anybody that the early twenty thirties are

1211
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 2: getting bigger in the window and that will sort of

1212
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: be the next round of potential realignment. So it's never

1213
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: too early start that flirtation. Blow a few kisses, signal

1214
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 2: to the powers that be that you're interested. Letting it

1215
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 2: out there.

1216
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: I'm interested.

1217
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not saying it directly, but catch a twinkle

1218
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 2: in the eye and you'll know what's up. Yes, all right,

1219
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 2: that does it for part one of the ACC Preview. Yeah,

1220
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 2: you've got Clemson over Miami. I've got Clemson over pitt

1221
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 2: which believe me, I was the surprised, as surprised as

1222
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 2: anybody that I came to this conclusion. But I'm in, man,

1223
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 2: I like it.

1224
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm in. Speak with your chest.

1225
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: H two p you know it, baby, right in solid

1226
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: verbo at gmail dot com. Let us know where we're right,

1227
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 2: where we're wrong, where you agree, where you disagree, If

1228
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 2: there's anything we missed. We always miss things, like I say,

1229
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: let us know. Don't be a jerk about it.

1230
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm in on Pittsburgh as a city. Pittsburgh is

1231
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: a city, is great. I want to get back to Pittsburgh.

1232
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: I want to go back to whatever the ballpark is called.

1233
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 1: Is it still called PNC or is it called something else?

1234
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 2: I have no idea. The pirates it used to beautiful ballpark, great,

1235
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 2: great place to see a game. Yeah, it's great to be.

1236
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 2: I was on the river there. I have friends with

1237
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: boats out there. Yeah, Pittsburgh's a great time, great place

1238
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 2: to be. All right, Farnel saliver about Gmail dot com.

1239
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 2: Hit us up, let us know what we got right,

1240
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 2: what we got wrong, all that stuff. Hit follow, hit

1241
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,479
Speaker 2: subscribe so that you don't miss any of the upcoming episodes. Again,

1242
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 2: Parts two and three are going to be a little

1243
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: bit more of a deeper dive on the teams in

1244
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 2: this conference, what to look for, what to watch for,

1245
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 2: why it'll work, why it won't work, that type of thing.

1246
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 2: Give you enough to be dangerous around the water cooler? Correct,

1247
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 2: Those are our next two episodes, and after that it'll

1248
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 2: be the Big.

1249
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: Twelve, which I think media days may have started today

1250
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: as we record this, record this, we're recording this little ahead.

1251
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: But like it's it's the reason for the season. Ty,

1252
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: it's coming.

1253
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 2: It's coming, baby, last, but certainly not least Verballers dot

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1257
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Speaker 2: You can play in the gaming leagues that are forming

1258
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 2: now because there's a new college football video game out there. Yeah,

1259
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 2: you can play in some of our games as the

1260
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 2: season gets rolling as well.

1261
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Speaker 1: Oh, it's the best. It's such a fun community for

1262
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Speaker 1: support the show and what we do directly. Love everybody

1264
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Speaker 1: down there, down there, out there up there, I don't.

1265
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 2: Know, it's an episode that started with a weird preamble

1266
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: about ice cream flavors. I stand by it and got

1267
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 2: us to this point now where I am picking Pitt

1268
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 2: to be the number two team in the conference. Hey yeah,

1269
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 2: what else could go wrong for that guy over there,

1270
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 2: my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hilton Brand,

1271
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 2: thanks for hanging with us here, Thanks for diving into

1272
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 2: all things ACC will do it again next episode. In

1273
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 2: the meantime, you know the drill, Stay solid, Peace,