1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: for tuning in. That's our super producer, mister Max Williams. 4 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: Max sky High Williams. 5 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 3: Have you talked about the poop yet? 6 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: The pop Day? 7 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: That's Noel Brown. I've been bowling Noel. This is a 8 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: two parter. 9 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if you can tell already, I think I 10 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: think it earned two partner. Lots of really fun stuff 11 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: to talk about when it comes to skyscrapers and man's 12 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: inherent need to outdo himself, themselves, ourselves others. Yeah, there's 13 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 2: a bit of a bit of a historical flex episode 14 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: if you think about it. Let's jump right in. 15 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: The whole Insurance building did not just stand up on 16 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: its own. It became a symbol something that stood for 17 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: an entire architectural movement. We loosely call this the Chicago School, 18 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: and this gave birth to all of those amazing skyscrapers 19 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: in Chicago from the late nineteenth to the early twentieth century. 20 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: And if you go to Chicago now and you go 21 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: downtown or you're around the Loop, it's still very much 22 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: a skyscraper City. You can take the little architectural river 23 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: tour and they on a boat and they go. 24 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: If you're lucky, the Dave Matthews Band's tour bus will 25 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: pull under the overpass bridge and dump the contents of 26 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: its toilets on you. 27 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: Not guaranteed with the price of the ticket, but always 28 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: a chance. 29 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: It will happen. It has been known to happen. The 30 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: very least was I saw the fun This is really 31 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 2: all by the way, look it up. I saw where 32 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: it was like a meme where it was just a 33 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: picture of a cassette like a fish concert, you know, 34 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: taping kind of thing where it's like bootlet, but it 35 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 2: just said Dave Matthews Band tour bus toilet dumping incident audio. 36 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: And it was like someone was like, that was a 37 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: fire set right there there. It is. Yeah. 38 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: And around this time the construction of the Home Insurance building. 39 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: Around this time, in the eighteen eighties, people came up 40 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: with a specific term to describe these types of towers. 41 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: It was a name as bold and as ambitious as 42 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: the buildings themselves. 43 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 4: Skydnswers scraper, No scrapers, not Skuys scrapers, s Guy's scrape 44 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 4: doesn't it give us a record scratch. 45 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: Perfect? Weird side note, skyscrapers at this point was not 46 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: entirely a new term. It used to mean a lot 47 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: of other things. 48 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: So weird. I had no idea. In the seventeen eighties 49 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: it was used to describe a particularly tall horse. I 50 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: almost wonder if it was like a particularly famous, very 51 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: tall horse that was named skyscraper. But I can't imagine 52 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: people thrown around lots of skyscraper, right, I don't. That 53 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: just doesn't sound right. Skyscraper sounds like the name of 54 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: a race horse, you know what I mean? Yeah, it 55 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: sounds very specific. But there's more right. It even was 56 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: used now this I can't. I don't know why this is. 57 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: This makes more sense to me. I just don't feel 58 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: like as tall as a horse might be, there is 59 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: no danger of it even even appearing to scrape the 60 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: sky in any way, shape or form. However, the mast 61 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: of a very large ship, when viewed from the horizon 62 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: coming in that absolutely gives skyscraping. I'm trying to talk 63 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: like the kids, you know, they just say it gives 64 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: that's the new thing. It's not even new. But I 65 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: would always say it gives skyscraping vibes. But the kids 66 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: just drop vibes. It's just implied. It's just it gives skyscraper. Yeah. 67 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: Uh, tall hats or very tall bonnets. 68 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: I don't know why that's funny to me. 69 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, like a top hat, like a stovepipe and stovepipe. 70 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, good old aby linky. 71 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: A ball that was hit high into the air would 72 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: be called a skyscraper. 73 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: That makes sense totally, like in like a you know, 74 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: a big old pop fly or whatever you know in 75 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: best Ball. 76 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: Oh, don't mention baseball around Max. He hates that stuff, 77 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: does he? 78 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: I thought he likes the sporting. 79 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 3: I'm just lost reading about the Stave Matthews fan Chicago. 80 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: You're not aware of this? 81 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? 82 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: Can you imagine relaxing water taxi tour of the beautiful 83 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: architecture of Chicago only to be drenched in pope. 84 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 3: Hundred pounds of it? Oh god, how long are they 85 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 3: storing this cause waste? It's the violinists bus alone. 86 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't in it. 87 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: The guy was driving around, but it said, uh and 88 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: estimated eight hundred pounds of human waste. 89 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: Like, first of all, they get they each get their 90 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 2: own full sized bus. The violinist gets his own pay. 91 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: He has passed away, let's be respected. That's right. 92 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 3: Well, when he lived, he pooped a lot. Yeah, it's 93 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: just like, oh, it's terrible. 94 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: Do you see anything in your research there? Max really 95 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 2: quickly not to derail this too much. But was there 96 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 2: legal action taken? Because I would argue, oh, yeah, they had. 97 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: They had to pay two hundred thousand dollars in environmental protection. 98 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 3: They donated another one hundred thousand dollars to like like 99 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: the river side, like like nonprofit crews. 100 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 2: But what did the people covered in filth get paid? 101 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 3: I am looking into that detail. 102 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: Now. 103 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: The bus driver, uh, did have to plead guilty to 104 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 3: dumping waste April two thousand and five. 105 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: Let's just say it wasn't Boyd Tinsley, and that was 106 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: the name of the violinist that pulled the trigger. It was. 107 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: It was not in the bus right. 108 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: If anything, it's disparaging to his character to call it 109 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: his bus. It is a bus that he rode, you 110 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 111 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 3: Oh, but by the way, just want those They did 112 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 3: take the boat back to doc and issue everyone a refund. 113 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 3: Oh kind of that, and then quickly swapped out his 114 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: crew cleaned everything and then having a one tour they 115 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 3: got they didn't miss their next tour. 116 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: Which is weird because there are some tours where people 117 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 1: would pay for that. You know what, it's all about them, 118 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: It's all about the framing of the experience. 119 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 2: I know. But I just feel like damages would have 120 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: had to have been paid if that happened to me. 121 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: I mean, that is a PTSD type moment, y'all. That 122 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: is what if it got in your mouth? Who knows 123 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: disease could have been spread. 124 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: I mean a lot of questions if people have to 125 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 3: go to the hospital for that fear alone. 126 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure. How does this take us back to skyscrapers? 127 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,239 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know where we're looking at the beautiful 128 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: architecture before being blasted from our architectural reverie. But let's 129 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: get back into it and just talk about the evolution 130 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: of the concept of skyscrapers. 131 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, because we were talking about this off air a 132 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: little bit. The definition of skyscraper. It is no longer 133 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: a weirdly big horse, nor a very tall bonnet or hat. 134 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: It is now specifically architecture, and the definition is a 135 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: bit changeable. The idea of what constitutes a skyscraper, like 136 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: the burden of proof gets higher and higher and high. 137 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: Literally. By the late twentieth century, the term was used 138 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: to describe what we would now maybe maybe more refer 139 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: to as high rise buildings, but particularly high high rises 140 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: generally greater than forty or fifty stories, because if we'll 141 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: recall back, you know, in the early days of this 142 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: type of construction, ten stories was a big deal. Twelve 143 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: stories was a big deal. So the scale is sliding now. 144 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: In order to be considered a skyscraper, boy, you got 145 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: to be a minimum forty stories. 146 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's a lot of stories, stories and anthology. 147 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: So the historians sometimes will just describe skyscrapers of this 148 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: period as the commercial style. But the architects of the 149 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: Chicago School they had a common interest. They said, we 150 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: can use new material science, we can use steel, we 151 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: can use electricity, we can create these buildings that solve 152 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: very real problems of urban density. And you know, they 153 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: had elevators. Now, it doesn't make sense to build a 154 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: skyscraper without elevator technology, you know. I like, what's the 155 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: old joke about Manhattan. I got a great place. It's 156 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: a fifth story walk up. 157 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: That's the joke. Where's the punchline? That just sounds terrible. 158 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: No, I think the guy was just mad about it. 159 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: His calves were great. 160 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, the place I stayed recently, a dear friend of 161 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: the show, Jordan Runtag, allowed me to crash in his 162 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: pad in Brooklyn, and it's a three story walk up, 163 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: which it definitely makes you think twice about leaving. They 164 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 2: coming back, even with three stories with no elevator. And 165 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: you know, I'm just you know, I'm not exactly female, 166 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: most athletic of types, but I can't imagine a five 167 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: story walk up. That is very much a thing. And 168 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: these are very narrow stairways. I've never personally helped anyone 169 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: or moved myself into one of these apartments, but can 170 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: you imagine just just lugging your furniture, your bed frame, 171 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: all this of turning those corners just seems like a nightmare. 172 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 3: I'll say. So, as you guys know, I'm taking a 173 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 3: trip to New York and here the next few weeks. 174 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: And that's, by the way, on your first trip to 175 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: New York City. 176 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet in Chicago many years ago he did 177 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: not have poop dumped on me. 178 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: Though New York's great, you're gonna have a fantastic time. 179 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 3: Well poopy dumped out town. 180 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 2: Possibly there's places for that if you would like. 181 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: There's always a non zero chance of being pooped on. 182 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 3: But to continue on, we were gonna book this thereby 183 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: and being at booked like the morning right before we 184 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 3: got it, and we ended up getting a different one, more expensive, 185 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 3: And I'm actually kind of hapy about it because the 186 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 3: first one had a five story walk up. Well the 187 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 3: second one has a one. So yeah, I'm like, you know, 188 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: but I'm kind of glad we're paying extra for a 189 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 3: nicer place with a one story. 190 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: It just really makes you considerately, do I really want 191 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: to go outside? 192 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: Right? 193 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: Right? 194 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: And this is first off again Max, You're gonna have 195 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: a wonderful time. Sorry I can't be there with you. 196 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: But next time, let's take a road trip together. What 197 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: do you say? 198 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, but only if we're going to like North Dakota, 199 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: fair enough, or back to Montana's Montana's not the best 200 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: day in this country? 201 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: All right? 202 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: Well, I was talking about New York, but sure. 203 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 3: I mean upstate New York. You can go to Maine, Connecticut. 204 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: Never been to Maine? 205 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: You guys just want to start talking about Skyrm again. 206 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: Since all things are on the table, apparently. 207 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: No, I was in Connecticut just like a couple of 208 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: weeks ago or last I can't remember last week. Maybe anyway, Yes, 209 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: if everything is on the table, then let's introduce a 210 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: couple of architects. One of my favorite names from the 211 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: Chicago School. I don't know if you're ready for this, 212 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: dank Mar. 213 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: Adler, the dankest of dank Mars. 214 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: Dank Mar d A n K M A R. 215 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Usually I think of that name as being a Dagmar. 216 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: This guy is dank Mar. He is like the dankest 217 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: of the dank and his buddy Lewis Sullivan, their firm, 218 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 2: gave Frank Lloyd Wright another name, well not nearly as 219 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: dope as dank Mar, that you may have heard of. 220 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: They gave him his first shot architectural stardom, along with 221 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: a guy named Daniel Burnham, who in nineteen oh two 222 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: designed New York City's still standing flat iron building, which 223 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: is it's very cool. Yeah, it's it's it's it's you 224 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: love to see that it's still around. 225 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: And the Chicago School really in fluenced, the influenced and 226 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: popularized the idea of skyscrapers, but perhaps more importantly, the 227 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: way humans started building cities. You know, previously unthinkable levels 228 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: of density are suddenly possible with the elevator, with the 229 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: building up and building down instead of out. We also 230 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: know we also know that other cities picked up the trend. 231 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: First. 232 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: New York makes sense, right because the whole insurance company 233 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: is based in New York, so they want to get 234 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: in on this. You know what happened. It became an 235 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: arms race to build the tallest building. 236 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: Oh, we've already been in that, right, even since, dating 237 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: as far back as the Pyramids. Right, everyone's trying to 238 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: outdo everyone else there is now but now no longer 239 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: it is there this dry I have to build as 240 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: close to heaven as possible. It's a much more monetary drive. Right. 241 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: But then, of course there is that prestige of making 242 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: a name for yourself as a city. You know, we 243 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: possess the largest building, the world's tallest building, the United 244 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: States tallest building, what have you. It does seem though, 245 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: that the honor of world's tallest building is never going 246 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: to be in the United States ever. 247 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: Again, well, the odds are not great. 248 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: We'll see, there's a lot of money invested in some 249 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: of these other countries we're going to talk about into 250 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: being the most literally the most doing the most, being 251 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: the most. Ley what if we built the world's tallest 252 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: building and also covered it in gold leaf? 253 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: Folks, you may have heard it ridiculous historians. My cat, 254 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: doctor Venkman, one of my cats, agreed with that so 255 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: hard that he co signed what I was about to say, 256 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: which is, really it depends on the record for tallest building, 257 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: depends on how many buildings stay standing over time. Right, 258 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: It's like the old joke about inflation. One time I 259 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: asked my dad, Hey, do you ever think I'll be 260 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: a millionaire? And he said, inflation's crazy. You might be 261 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: a millionaire tomorrow, which is yeah, disturbing thing to say 262 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: to a child. 263 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 2: Question, does it count that are you a millionaire if 264 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: you've earned a million dollars over the course of your life? 265 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: Well, by that definition, a lot of people would be millionaires. 266 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: I think that's right. It's just funny to think about 267 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: when you think about things like inflation. I think a 268 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: lot of people in like upper middle class, over the 269 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: course of a lifetime have likely earned a million dollars 270 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: or more. But I guess maybe a million dollar a 271 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: millionaire is more termed for people's net worth, right. 272 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And there were a lot of millionaires in the 273 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: world of architecture where it would lead to a lot 274 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: of millionaires because they like buying skyscrapers. They're super in 275 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: to it. It's one of their things. 276 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: And just really quickly to take a sidebar and talk 277 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: about an interesting concept that's kind of wrapped up in 278 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: the question of does the antenna count, you know, like 279 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: who owns the air There is a legal concept wrapped 280 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: up in this, the idea of air rights, referring to 281 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:23,479 Speaker 2: a real estate owner's license over the vertical space extending 282 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: above their property, and it is something that has to 283 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: be procured. There's a real cool article on a blog 284 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 2: called mansion Global that says property owners gain the rights 285 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: to the land beneath the physical property as well as 286 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: the air space above it, which can offer significant development opportunities. 287 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: Vertical development does, though, have to consider air traffic and 288 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: the interests of neighbors and use and development of that 289 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: air space can't hang over into a neighbor's airspace or 290 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: else the neighbor has the right to remove the structure 291 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: that could involve things like antennae or satellite dishes that 292 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 2: maybe you're jutting off to the side. As we know, 293 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: a lot of you know, New York real estate buildings 294 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 2: that are owned by separate entities are real close to 295 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 2: one another. But I've always found the idea of like 296 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: owning the air sort of like owning the moon or something. 297 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 2: It's very interesting. Air rights are known today as transferable 298 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: development rights, and they can be leased or bought or 299 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 2: sold just like physical property, and are are incredibly valuable, 300 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: as you know, as as available space on the ground 301 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: continues to be scarcer and scarcer. 302 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, right, And it's a it's it reminds me 303 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: a bit of space Balls, that famous film wherein they 304 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: talk about selling air right, remember that they can this. 305 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: Also, you can't say Spaceball. Don't expect me to jump in. 306 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 3: Did you know Tuvak is in that movie, the guy 307 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 3: who plays Tim Russ, who plays Tubac Tubac and of 308 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 3: course he has the greatest line of all time when 309 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 3: they're like comb the planet and they go through like, no, 310 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: we found nothing. They ask like the the two Black 311 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 3: stormtroopers who have a pick and Afro pick. Yeah, yeah, screens, 312 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: we found. That's pretty about it. 313 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: Last thing that I just want to say that the 314 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 2: up until the nineteen hundreds, air rights were considered to 315 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: reach indefinitely into the heavens until a little thing called 316 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 2: air travel became increasingly viable and popular. So now the 317 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: Federal Aviation Administration actually has what's called a public easement 318 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: for air transportation at high altitudes above all real estate. 319 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: So there you go. Just thought i'd mentioned that because 320 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting concept. 321 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's an innovation that becomes necessary or an idea 322 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: that becomes necessary with the construction of things like skyscrapers, 323 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: which get higher into the air. 324 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: Right. 325 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: And then also the question is the same as or 326 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: it's similar to the question of medieval architecture, right, where 327 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: they would build two story buildings and then the second 328 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: story would jut out from the first, right, which is 329 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: part of why the streets looked so weird. It's because 330 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: if you lived on the second story of these buildings 331 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: in medieval Europe at least, you would commonly throw your 332 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: poop out I'm doing a Dave Matthews call back, or 333 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: throw your poop out into the street, and you would 334 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: who would stop you? Because you were there, you had 335 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: the rights to that air well. 336 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: And just swear to God. Last thing. This is fascinating 337 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: for some reason. You probably already thought about this. But 338 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: one way that developers can capitalize on their air rights 339 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: if they're not building up, they've reached a cap kind 340 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 2: of anything above that is going to be impractical, Well, 341 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: they can lease it out to advertisers, you know, for billboards. 342 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: And the innovations with the skyscrapers continue. In the first 343 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: decade of the twentieth century, there was this demand for 344 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: office space. They had a lot of white collar staff 345 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: we could call them, that are growing all these office jobs, right, 346 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: so where are we going to put all these offices 347 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: for all these people. Engineering developments made it easier to 348 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: build and live in ever taller buildings. Chicago kept building 349 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: new skyscrapers, and New York was more experimental. This is 350 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: where we see, you know, the FLATIRN building, which we 351 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, is where we see the Singer Tower, is 352 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: where we see the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company tower, and 353 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: the Woolworth building. And I have to tell you it's 354 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: weird to me that multiple skyscrapers are the property of 355 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: insurance companies. I guess that's a good billboard, yeah. 356 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: For sure. And I guess it is sort of an 357 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: old industry as well. These skyscrapers were largely commercial successes, 358 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 2: but this idea of these kind of towering structures started 359 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: to feel to some like eye sores. They broke up 360 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: the city skylines and created issues with kind of neighboring 361 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: streets and buildings being shrouded in shadow because of these giant, 362 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 2: looming structures. There was, of course, we know was coming. 363 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: We all saw it, maybe not the time, but a 364 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: serious economic depression coming that led to zoning restraints in 365 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: New York City in nineteen sixty. Up until this point, guys, 366 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 2: it was kind of wild westy you know, in terms 367 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: of like with the unfettered development and being able to 368 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: build up. So zoning became much more of a thing. 369 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: And as many folks that are interested in city planning, 370 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 2: no zoning is very very important. It can be a 371 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 2: real pain in the butt in terms of like what 372 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: is this space zoned for? You know what type of use? 373 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: And you have to get permits based on all of 374 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 2: these things to build and unless you're Greece and some palms, 375 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 2: which as we know, certainly is a thing. It can't 376 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 2: hold you up, it can hold up development, and definitely 377 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 2: if you're not, you know, ticking the boxes. 378 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: And people love a good idea, right at least in 379 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: the world of engineering, And so between World War One 380 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: and World War Two, skyscrapers spread to most major US cities. 381 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: And if you look around the world at this time, 382 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: you'll see skyscrapers popping up in Japan and China, Argentina, Italy, Poland, Spain. 383 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: Of course the United Kingdom. They took our comments about 384 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: the Tower London person, yeah, and built things like the Strand. 385 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: So the economic boom of the nineteen twenties and all 386 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: the real estate speculation encouraged a new wave of skyscraper 387 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,719 Speaker 1: projects in New York and Chicago. They also did something 388 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: pretty smart. We talked about it a little bit, the 389 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: exoskeleton concept. So our old architect Jenny figured out this 390 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: idea of a curtain wall. That's where you build this 391 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: skeleton of metal and then you sort of tack masonry 392 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: on it and it looks like it's a stone building, 393 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: but the actual internal structure is steel. And skyscrapers mimic 394 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: that design today. 395 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 2: Kind of reminds me of like the you know, traditional 396 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: home building where you got like a wood sort of strain, 397 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: you know, with studs and all of that, and crossby 398 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 2: that's then covered with drywall. 399 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: And this is the story of the skyscraper. This has 400 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: turned into a two parter. Spoiler, folks. We also know 401 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: that now skyscrapers, which were once commercial architecture, they're residential 402 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: at this point, Like a lot of people live in 403 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: what we would call skyscrapers. And you may be asking 404 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: yourself what happened to that famous home insurance building. Well, 405 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: it was demolished in nineteen thirty one and replaced with 406 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: an even taller skyscraper. 407 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: Of course it was yeah, forty five stories, the Lesalle 408 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: Bank building. Well, I guess that kind of does bring 409 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 2: us to the presence we should probably talk about some 410 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: absurdlyly phallically dog swinging skyscraper flexes. 411 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: Huh yeah, yeah, you want to talk about the top five, 412 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: Maybe we start with number five and get together. 413 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 2: I think we should number five. Oh boy, I'm not 414 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: gonna do an amazing Joba pronouncing. Actually, Ben, maybe you 415 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: should do this one. You've got a little bit more 416 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 2: grasp of Chinese pronunciation than oh no, no. 417 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: Just spelled PI n G Space A in the ping 418 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: On Finance Center in Shenzhen, China, built in twenty seventeen. 419 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: It's a little bit south of two thousand feet tall 420 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: and it has one hundred and fifteen occupied floors nine 421 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five feet tall. We are fund at parties. 422 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is I guess the name says it 423 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 2: all right, it is. Oh, it's a it's a real 424 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 2: cool looking building. Very it looks like some sort of 425 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 2: like crystal, you know, like with the tip of it, 426 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 2: like a like a very giant sort of like energy crystal. 427 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: Some guy. It's considered actually a many of these are 428 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: considered like superstructures, like super tall skyscrapers. Right. And it 429 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 2: was commissioned by ping On Insurance and designed by an 430 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 2: American architect actually American architectural firm Kohne Patterson Fox Associates, 431 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: and was finished in twenty seventeen. And it's the tallest 432 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 2: building in Shenzen and the second tallest building in China, 433 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: but only the fifth tallest in the world. 434 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. To look at the next tallest building, We're traveling 435 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: to Mecca in Saudi Arabia. The Macaw Royal Clock tower. 436 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: It was built in twenty twelve, so it's older than 437 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: the ping Alan Finance Center. It is one nine hundred 438 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: and seventy two feet tall. It has one hundred and 439 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: twenty occupied floors. So again we see this. These people 440 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: are edging each other out by margins. 441 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 2: You know. Wow. And to be fair, I've never been 442 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 2: in this building, but it does have a bit of 443 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 2: a topper, almost like a hood ornament type deally bob 444 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: on the top. That doesn't seem occupiable to me. There's 445 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 2: in a big chunk of it is the clock face 446 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: in and of itself. So this one seems to be 447 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: hedging a little bit. I don't know, guys, what do 448 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: you think? 449 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: Well, it still has more. That's that's why I wanted 450 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: to put the occupied floors. 451 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so that's taking into account, thank you. 452 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: So it as five war occupied floors, right, non antenna, 453 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: non clock, dally bops. 454 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 2: Uh. 455 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: The next window is even taller. 456 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: That's right. It is the Shanghai Tower in Cleveland, Ohio. 457 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: That's a joke. That's fun. It's a funny joke. 458 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: Did it work? 459 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: Do you guys know? The deal with Ohio? It is 460 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 2: the thing the kids are saying like, is Ohio good 461 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: or bad? You know if you're you've got skibbity Ohio riz? 462 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 2: Do you guys know about this? Okay? I think Ohio's lame. 463 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: I think I think Ohio is considered kind of milk toast, 464 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 2: kind of like no swag, not cool. 465 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 3: I mean the Buckeye state think think about it. 466 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 2: You are fun at parties, aren't you've been? 467 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 3: I do that one not too actually, but that's some 468 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 3: universal mission fan. It's like, let's make a swamp, make 469 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 3: it completely flat, and then make it cold. Are you 470 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 3: talking about DC or Ohio? H DC is also really 471 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 3: hot as well. 472 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's different. 473 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 3: I mean DC's a different level of swamp. 474 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: We're keeping all of this, of course. 475 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: We are, because I thought Cleveland rocks. The kids don't 476 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: appreciate rocket. 477 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 3: Have you ever seen the hastily made Cleveland tourism videos. No, 478 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 3: it's an early early YouTube jokes type of stuff. There's 479 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 3: some stuff, and of course that's age like milk. But 480 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 3: I'll send them to y'all later. 481 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: Please, But you guys are familiar with this idea that 482 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: the kids are slandering Ohio on the regulars lo key Okay, 483 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 2: So no, it's not actually in Cleveland, Ohio. It's in Shanghai. Oh. 484 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: The tower yes, built in twenty fifteen, being a little 485 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: bit north of two thousand feet tall, one hundred and 486 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: twenty eight occupied floors. How would how would we describe 487 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: the appearance? 488 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's uh, let's let's do that. Oh boy, uh, 489 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 2: very very Lord of the ringsy. It looks kind of 490 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: like the like it's got a weird bowing structure on 491 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: the inside, like it tapers kind of. I don't know, 492 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: it's giving souron vibes to me for some reason. It 493 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 2: just needs that eye floating over the top. By the way, 494 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 2: I've always thought this been and there's one in particular 495 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 2: I want to say it's in It's a city that 496 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 2: we've been to a couple of times. I think Austin maybe, 497 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: But there's like a building that does have these two 498 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 2: two towers kind of that you could picture like electricity 499 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: tesla coiling between. And there's something kind of sinister about 500 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: the designs of some of these buildings, especially. 501 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: When we consider that the film adaptation of The Lord 502 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: of the Rings right was made in two thousand and one. 503 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:11,479 Speaker 1: So whoever built the Shanghai Towers in twenty fifteen, knew 504 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: about the Tower of Surai and the adaptation of it, 505 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: and they must have said it was cool. They also 506 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: they always. 507 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: Kind of you know what the tapering comes from, Ben, 508 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 2: I'm seeing it only from aside, But if you look 509 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 2: at like a three sixty shot, it kind of twists. 510 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: It sort of has like a weird half twist as 511 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: it goes up. God, that is in the architecture is 512 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 2: so cool, Like, how'd you accomplished that? I just couldn't 513 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 2: even begin to answer that question. 514 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 1: What is it like to live on floor one twenty 515 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: eight or have your office on the one hundred and 516 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: twenty eighth floor. I feel like there's a diminishing return, 517 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: like at some point that elevator ride becomes uncomfortable, or 518 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: you ride multiple elevators, like you have to go to 519 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: floor fifty and switch and then switch again. Eventually it's 520 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: like taking a bus trip. 521 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: Guys. Apparently this was a giant economic flop. Apparently due 522 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 2: to a bureaucratic red tape, safety concerns and issues from 523 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: local fire authorities who were concerned about this giant flexy height. 524 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: It took several years for the tower to gain all 525 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: of its fire certifications. While operating at losses, the tower 526 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 2: ran a deficit of more than one point five billion dollars. Cool, 527 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 2: nothing weird. I guess that's the gamble though, right every 528 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 2: time you build a skyscraper, you're taking an enormous risk. 529 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 2: You might end up with something like number two right now. 530 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 2: The second tallest skyscraper the merdeca Ie eighteen in Malaysia. 531 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 2: This was built in twenty twenty three, just last year. 532 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 2: It's two two hundred and twenty seven feet tall, but 533 00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 2: it only has one hundred and eighteen occupied floors, which 534 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 2: leads me to once again ask should we. 535 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: Count the antenna? Should we count the part of the 536 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: building where people can actually. 537 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: Go I'm with you both, Well, I'm with you Max, 538 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 2: and I think you're probably on the same I know 539 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 2: you're just being Devil's advocate here, but I think we 540 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: all agree that, you know, unless you're one of those 541 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: Spiderman type figures who can like crawl the top of 542 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: that antenna to do a crazy panoramic YouTube video that 543 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 2: makes me want to vomit. You see those these crazy 544 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 2: Russian kids that go out and do these and they 545 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 2: hang off the top of these things. Absolutely terrifying just 546 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 2: watching the video. I can't even do the VR, you know, 547 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: stepping off the edge of the plank game without getting 548 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 2: a little bit of a cold sweat. But I think 549 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 2: one thing we're learning clearly here is that past a 550 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 2: certain point, this stuff does become risky, as evidenced by 551 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 2: the Shanghai towers and ability to get those permits because 552 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 2: of safety concerns. So you do get to a point 553 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 2: where this is literally a d measuring contest. 554 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we know that this contest continues right now 555 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: as we are recording on May twenty first, twenty twenty four. 556 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: The Berje Khalifa in the UAE United Arab Emirates is 557 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: the tallest building in the world. It was built in 558 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: twenty ten. It's two thousand, seven hundred and seventeen feet tall. 559 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: There are one hundred and sixty three occupied floors. However, 560 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: this will be number two pretty soon if everything else, 561 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: if everything goes to play in Saudi Arabia, is going 562 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: to make the world's newest tallest building. The Jetta Tower. 563 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 2: Located in Jetta, Saudi Arabia, which is a port city 564 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: bordered by the Red Sea. It's the second most populated 565 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 2: city in Saudi Arabia. When complete, this skyscraper will be 566 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 2: the tallest skyscraper in the world. But that's going to 567 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 2: be quite a way away though, right Do we have 568 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 2: an ETA on completion? Everything I'm seeing is just kind 569 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: of artists rendering. It looks here, oh, it has. It 570 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 2: is under construction. It started back at twenty thirteen, took 571 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 2: a pause in twenty eighteen because they switched contractors, I 572 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 2: believe due to some political issues. It is predicted to 573 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 2: be completed. Jeez, it doesn't really say. 574 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: They don't really know. They just have construction restarted in September. 575 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 2: Speaking of stuff that's been under construction for ages, I'm 576 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 2: really excited. I'm going to Barcelona, Spain for the first time, 577 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 2: and I'm looking forward to seeing the gaudy church that 578 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 2: has been under construction for like one hundred years. It 579 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 2: is called the Sagrada Familia. It is the largest unfinished 580 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 2: Catholic church in the world, designed by Antony Gaudi, and 581 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 2: it is just about to be officially finished and you 582 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 2: can take a tour, and I'm really looking forward to 583 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 2: checking it out. It looks like something out of like 584 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 2: an alien movie. It's very otherworldly. 585 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: And the construction continues. Humans like making stuff. This is 586 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: our week on skyscrapers, folks. It ended up as a 587 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: two parter because we just kept building. I'm doing references 588 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: and talking about poop. Well, Max, it needs to be mentioned. 589 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 3: Not throw me under the bus. No, you brought up 590 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 3: skyrm beforehand. You brought up the poop. 591 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 2: I know, but then you just double down every time. Max, 592 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 2: You're incorrigible, you're encouraged. 593 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 3: That's my job. That's what y'all pay me to do. 594 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough, and worth every penny. 595 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: And thank you to our super producer, mister Max Williams, 596 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: Thanks to aj Bahamas Jacobs, thanks to doctor Rachel Big 597 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: Spinach Lance and of course thinks that Eves Jeff goat 598 00:35:59,320 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: here in spirit. 599 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 2: And thanks to you Ben for rocking this incredible outline, 600 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 2: taking us on this incredible water taxi tour through the 601 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 2: history of skyscrapers, and we emerged unscathed by the fecal 602 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 2: matter of the Dave Matthews Band, So thank you for 603 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 2: that as well, maybe slightly slightly scathed. 604 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: You know, he's a big fan of Dave Matthews. Jonathan 605 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 1: Strickland aka the quister. 606 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 2: I wonder if he's such a monster. We'll see you 607 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 2: next time, folks. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the 608 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 609 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 2: favorite shows.