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Speaker 1: I really like him. You know, the Ravens are really

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Speaker 1: high on him when they when they hired him from Cincinnati. Um,

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Speaker 1: I like his mindset and all that. Um, they're being

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Speaker 1: creative and like that's what you want. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that sometimes the NFL gets ragged on for

429
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Speaker 1: being a league that isn't really willing to take chances

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Speaker 1: and it's always the same same old coaches, same old systems,

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Speaker 1: same old stuff. And like the Ravens aren't doing that

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Speaker 1: right now. They're being a little bit unconventional, taking outside

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Speaker 1: the box edgy um and like that is going to

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Speaker 1: make them more exciting. And that to me every time,

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Speaker 1: like like the the example that Johnny Manzel, remember when

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Speaker 1: he caught that pass down the sidelines and they threw

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Speaker 1: it to him and you know, the fake substitution thing

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Speaker 1: like that was illegal, but it was it was super creative.

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Speaker 1: Like every time I see teams do this stuff, like, man,

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Speaker 1: why don't we do that? Why don't we see that more?

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Speaker 1: This is like our boss Michelle. We'll give her a

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Speaker 1: shout out. She wants to see every single play be

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Speaker 1: a trick play, every single one. She's like, why not

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Speaker 1: just do it? I think that they might have her

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Speaker 1: office bugged. She might be throwing her way around here

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Speaker 1: on the football and saying, all right, come on, and

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Speaker 1: it's working. Well. I mean, look at look at teams

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Speaker 1: that have won Super Bowls in recent years and some

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Speaker 1: key moments of those playoff runs. The Patriots in two

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Speaker 1: thousand fourteen. Yeah, exactly. I was going to get to

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Speaker 1: Patriots two thousand fourteen against US those trick plays that

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Speaker 1: made the difference in the game. That was a difference.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens were up two scores at the time, and

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Speaker 1: you've got yeah, you've got Edelman throwing passes and clubs.

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Speaker 1: Ready baby, and then last year you've got the Philly Special.

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Speaker 1: So like, teams are being creative and running different stuff

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Speaker 1: and I'm really excited to see how it works. Now,

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Speaker 1: I do think you've got to be Joe Flacco has

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Speaker 1: said this multiple time. It's not a podium now. He's like,

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Speaker 1: we've got to be kind of careful with him because

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Speaker 1: right now, to me, it's kind of a red flag.

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Speaker 1: Like Lamar comes into the game, it's sort of like

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Speaker 1: it's always gonna be there. Though that's not going to change, No,

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Speaker 1: it's not. But if every single play is is some

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Speaker 1: sort of way to get him the ball, like if

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Speaker 1: he touches the ball every single time he comes into

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Speaker 1: the game, you can't do that well exactly. I think

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Speaker 1: that's kind of what Joe's point is. And there is

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Speaker 1: some trickery that goes along with that, but there it's

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a balance there because you don't want

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Speaker 1: to just completely give away what you're doing. If if

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Speaker 1: if the point of it is creativity in an element

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Speaker 1: of surprise and a difficulty to defend that, it can't

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Speaker 1: be the same process every single time that this guy

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Speaker 1: comes onto the field exactly what kind of eventually got

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Speaker 1: figured out and shut down? Yeah, because you knew you

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Speaker 1: were running the ball right up. You know you're running

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Speaker 1: the ball in a certain way, right So I agree

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Speaker 1: with you, But I think they'll be judicious about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure, Um what do you think? You know? The

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Speaker 1: defense is starting to get a little buzz And I

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Speaker 1: talked to Link Martindale today while we were both getting

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Speaker 1: some bacon cheddar suit. How many bowls did you have?

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Speaker 1: How many? How many servings in mac and cheese did

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Speaker 1: you have? I had a one, fairly large. I had.

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Speaker 1: It was chicken figure day. Yeah. I was very excited

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Speaker 1: about that, Like, I love honey mustard. Did maybe ten

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Speaker 1: oh and half a bowl plus the large keeping scoop

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Speaker 1: of mcache beside salad. Oh nice, you got to keep

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Speaker 1: it healthy. Yeah. So, as I was getting suped with Martindale,

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Speaker 1: he was like, you know, because I wrote a story

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Speaker 1: about why the rooms veterans are excited about this year's defense,

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Speaker 1: he was like, all right, let's just pump the brakes

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Let's look ahead of ourselves. Let's not

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Speaker 1: pump him off too much. Get excited. We gotta go

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Speaker 1: out there get some shutouts first, you know. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was like, what are you superstitious or some Wink was like, now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not superstitious, but if we pitch a shut out,

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Speaker 1: I'll be wearing the same damn out. So I think

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Speaker 1: that this defense, sorry to Wink, is gonna be really good. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think that last year they had all the pieces,

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Speaker 1: uh and this year they have even more. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's more depth. Some of the young draft picks from

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Speaker 1: last year they had the top four picks were all

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Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball. Those guys are

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Speaker 1: a year older, a year better. I think Marlin Humphrey,

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Speaker 1: no doubt, is better than he was last year. I

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Speaker 1: think Tias Bowser second round pick, better than he was

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Speaker 1: last year's rookie. Chris Wormley, same thing, Tim Williams. So

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Speaker 1: I think that these guys, these younger guys who progressed,

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Speaker 1: hopefully guys can stay healthy. We said Tavon Young's return

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Speaker 1: is huge. I think that that will make a big difference. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, and not to put the credit, you know,

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Speaker 1: to shine too much late on Wink because I know

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Speaker 1: he would rather be shining on his players. But I

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Speaker 1: think that what he's done in collaboration with the veterans.

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Speaker 1: They all worked on this kind of together to reshuffle

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Speaker 1: this date. This defense. It's the same scheme. It's at

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Speaker 1: its core, it's the same thing. But I think giving

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Speaker 1: guys like Eric Weedltrell Sugs C. J. Mosley more freedom,

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Speaker 1: uh to change things up and make plays on the fly,

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Speaker 1: I think we'll make this defense more unpredictable. I think

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Speaker 1: just I think the defense is going to be better.

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Speaker 1: I think it probably should have been better than it

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Speaker 1: was last year. They finished twelfth. Yeah, but they led

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Speaker 1: the league in in turnovers. You can't forget that. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty big. And now some of that like, you know,

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Speaker 1: can they do that again? Sure they can. Or you

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Speaker 1: come back to earth a little bit. You know about

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Speaker 1: the law of averages. You can't really you can't count

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Speaker 1: on turnovers, right, I mean to a certain degree. If

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Speaker 1: you're flying around the field. You have guys who are playmakers, yes,

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Speaker 1: but you can't. There's there's an element of luck that's

534
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Speaker 1: always involved. You have plays when the ball bounces, you know,

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Speaker 1: fifty yards in the air, like that web pick last year.

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Speaker 1: Remember that ball deflects. The minor scrimmage goes exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so there's an element of luck that does come along

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Speaker 1: with um turnovers. But I think that the defense, you know,

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Speaker 1: we all know what the problem with the defense was

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Speaker 1: last year. You know, it was the ability to hold

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Speaker 1: up latant games that well. And I think the run

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Speaker 1: defense willson As goes it should have been. Yeah, being

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Speaker 1: injured with the big factor, And I think that the

544
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Speaker 1: pass rush was lacking at times, but especially interior. But

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Speaker 1: more than anything, if I'm it was the breakdowns Latin

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Speaker 1: games and so I mean that costs, that costs well,

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Speaker 1: that that costs the season. So that's what needs to

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Speaker 1: be improved. And I think that there are things that

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Speaker 1: will make a difference. Tavon Jimmy, improved pass rush, new defense, corners,

550
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Speaker 1: system kind of changed within that well, I think even

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Speaker 1: if you just look at the fourth and twelfth play

552
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: if the Ravens, there's the general feelings they are a

553
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: little too rigid there and guys weren't put in the

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Speaker 1: right position and Eric Weddle wasn't really freed up to

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Speaker 1: adjust to what the Bengals are doing on the fly

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Speaker 1: and make a play. Yeah, so I feel like the

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Speaker 1: defense is gonna be better and I'm excited to see

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Speaker 1: what the group does. And I've got I think they've

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Speaker 1: got some kind of like we're sort of in an

560
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Speaker 1: era where you can sort of see like the new

561
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Speaker 1: crop sort of coming into their own coming of age.

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Speaker 1: C J has already come of age, but Matt Judon

563
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: is right there. Marlon Humphrey could take that next step.

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Speaker 1: Tony Jefferson to somebody that like signed that big contract

565
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Speaker 1: and um, he expects to have much better season this year.

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Speaker 1: So like you have some guys that could take that leap.

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Speaker 1: Here's my thing, Uh, you know, just to not go

568
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Speaker 1: totally home or on this. On the defense is the

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Speaker 1: two things that I pointed to is as issues last

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Speaker 1: year run defense and interior pass rush. The Ravens didn't

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Speaker 1: add anybody to make those things better, right Brandon Williams

572
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: when he was out that had a big effect. So

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Speaker 1: if he can stay healthy, then they should be better

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Speaker 1: on run defense. And guys like Michael Pierce can you know,

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Speaker 1: step his take his game to another level or whatnot.

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Speaker 1: But guys get injured that that can happen. That's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Can the Ravens defend the run better if they have injuries?

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Speaker 1: Is Carl Davis ready to step up and play better

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Speaker 1: against run all those things. You know, Um, we'll see

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Speaker 1: I think interior pass rush. You're looking at Willie Henry.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people are excited about him. I think

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Speaker 1: he has looked pretty good so far at training camp.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the defense for the most part, stayed

584
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: the same. But you're expecting it to take all of

585
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: those guys to take their games to a higher level

586
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: in order to elevate it. So that's largely on that,

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00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a TV Nate, yeah for sure.

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00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: So um, first game is eight days away from the

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00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: time that we're recording this, and it's it's hard to believe,

590
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be a fun preseason. So um, that'll

591
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: do it for us today. But like we mentioned off

592
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Speaker 1: the top, big guests coming up in the next podcast,

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Speaker 1: the exact date that it's going to be released still

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Speaker 1: up in the air a little bit, you know, a

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Speaker 1: little negotiations, your negotiations taking place behind the scenes. But again,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be head coached on hardball his dad Jack,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna have a lot of fun of that podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, really can't wait. We have we have

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Speaker 1: the questions ready, they're ready to be fire away. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's gonna it's gonna be really fun. I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be great stuff. So we'll keep you posting

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Speaker 1: on that. That's it for us today, but it's always

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Speaker 1: email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Wait, wait, we didn't break down special teams.

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Speaker 1: We'll do that next time, said, we'll say. We'll say

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Speaker 1: that for Jack harm I love Jack Harball. Breakdown Talk

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Speaker 1: you guys next week