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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My name is Sean Coleman. Hope,

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Speaker 1: wherever you are and wherever you were listening, you're having

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Speaker 1: an outstanding, outstanding Friday evening, and it especially helps when

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Speaker 1: the Braves were able to bounce back to get a

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Speaker 1: seven to two victory to split this current series with

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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Phillies and as always joined me as my

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Speaker 1: podcast partner Stephen Tolbert. Stephen, We've been lucky enough here

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Speaker 1: over the past few weeks to be able to talk

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Speaker 1: more often than not about some good Braves baseball, about

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Speaker 1: some wins that have been a lot of fun. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get into, you know, Thursday night's game, which is

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Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit less than fun. But the

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Speaker 1: big thing is is that this Braves team is continuing

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Speaker 1: to show even despite this appointing losses, they have the

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Speaker 1: ability to bounce back and they did it once again

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Speaker 1: against arguably the best team in the National League.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up, Sean, Yeah, it's been good to see.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: The thing that I'm I'm most encouraged by is that

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Speaker 2: even after a loss, the offense has showed up in

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Speaker 2: games and that was a big indicator early in the

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Speaker 2: season is you know, they would win a few games,

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Speaker 2: gets some momentum, and then they would lose a game,

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Speaker 2: and then for the next week they just wouldn't scor

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Speaker 2: any runs and they would just have to scratch and

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Speaker 2: claw just to be a five hundred team. And it

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Speaker 2: just seemed like the offense would just go completely missing

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Speaker 2: for a week or two at a time. And you know,

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Speaker 2: in this stretch of really good play, probably their second

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Speaker 2: best stretch of the season behind the first month. Even

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Speaker 2: after they lose games and they have lost a couple

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Speaker 2: of games here and there, the next day, the offense

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Speaker 2: shows right back up and puts up runs. And the

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Speaker 2: same thing happened tonight. You know, last night was a

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Speaker 2: really my last night was a brutal loss in a

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Speaker 2: lot of ways. Going to talk about both games on

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Speaker 2: this podcast, but a really tough loss last night. And

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Speaker 2: then they just came out and you know, scored seven

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Speaker 2: runs tonight. I guess a good pitcher that's you know,

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Speaker 2: had their number in the past. So yeah, really good

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Speaker 2: to see really good bounce back win tonight. And uh yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're going to get to both games here. But it's

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Speaker 2: always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Buddy, same here, And let's say before we focus on

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Speaker 1: both games, let's talk about one thing that has clearly

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Speaker 1: been awesome to see is that it's great to see

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Speaker 1: the offense, of course, you know, bouncing back, doing well,

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Speaker 1: making the most of these opportunities, especially against quality opponents.

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Speaker 1: But but Steven, you know, one thing that stood out

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Speaker 1: as a trade of this team over there, you know,

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Speaker 1: last six times they this last six straight years that

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Speaker 1: they won the division is the fact that the Braves

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Speaker 1: would always be a good response team if they went

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Speaker 1: a few games where they were lackluster or they had

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Speaker 1: a disappointing loss, they would always bounce back. As you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: basically from you know, April through July or late April

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Speaker 1: with the fact that they had, you know, arguably one

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Speaker 1: of the best pitching staffs in the National League. But

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Speaker 1: we're finally starting to see over the past couple of

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Speaker 1: of the majors in terms of production after kind of

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Speaker 1: month after the All Star Game, but now you're coupling

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Speaker 1: near top of you know, the league pitching with good offense,

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Speaker 1: and you see what is occurring. What now, you know,

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Speaker 1: I believe thirteen and five over a past that eighteen games,

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Speaker 1: twelve and five over a past seventeen games. The Braves

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Speaker 1: are finally once again winning at the level that they

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Speaker 1: did in previous years. Well when it was the offense

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Speaker 1: that was doing good with good pitching. But now the

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Speaker 1: pitching is back to where it was. Rinaldo Lopez coming

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Speaker 1: up the il has been impressive. Charlie Morton last night,

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Speaker 1: he's put together about a good month of starts. This phrase.

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Speaker 1: Pitching staff is back to being like it was in

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Speaker 1: the first half of the season, and now with the

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Speaker 1: team can be competitive with anyone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even when the injuries. You know, we

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Speaker 2: has a lot of talent. It's actually an oppressive amount

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Speaker 2: the pitching staff has has been I think I think

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Speaker 2: it's fair to say the pitching staff has been a

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Speaker 2: But that's how good Chrisaille has been, and that's how

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Speaker 2: good Spencer Swallenbach has been. And that's how good Ronaldo

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Speaker 2: And you know, Charlie's had an up and down year,

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Speaker 2: but he's been you know, he's been more good than

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Speaker 2: last night, we'll get into a little bit about you know,

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Speaker 2: some of the management decisions that went into last night's loss,

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Speaker 2: But you know, tonight was much more of a formula

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Speaker 2: Ronaldo pitch the way he has since he came back

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Speaker 2: from the injury. There was a time where we thought

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Speaker 2: we were gonna lose him for the year. Same with Max.

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Speaker 2: You know, those two injuries could have gone very differently

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Speaker 2: I mean it's massive for now if they can keep

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Speaker 1: And it's always a good feeling when your team, no

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Speaker 1: So steven when it comes to timing. When it comes

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Speaker 1: to just being clutch. I'm going to put the spotlight

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Speaker 1: directly on you, Steven Talbert. And the reason why that

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Speaker 1: is is because earlier this week you wrote a very

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Speaker 1: well put together, in depth article just simply asking matt

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Speaker 1: I directly asked you, Steven, what's the biggest key to

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Speaker 1: second half success? It's matt Ellson being Matt Olson. Well, Stephen,

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Speaker 1: matt Olson is being mat alson this week. But I

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Speaker 1: I ended Tuesday's podcast with you in us talking both

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Speaker 1: a Brave. Well, the numbers back it up. Matt Olson

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Speaker 1: My point is is that Matt Alson, I get that

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Speaker 1: he has as falls at times. He can be ice

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's a it's tremendous and you know,

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Speaker 2: I've said it all year. I've said it probably ten

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Speaker 2: a different looking lineup when he looks like himself when

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Speaker 2: he is destroying pitches. You know, he had a two

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. He's been hitting everything. He's been hitting

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Speaker 2: our Cia Murphy had a homer tonight. You know Loriano Mierfield,

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Speaker 2: I said, there is enough talent, especially with the starting rotation.

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Speaker 2: Matt is Matt like when he is. When he is on,

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Speaker 2: much more like Matt Elson. That's exactly like the level

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Speaker 1: And that's where I think, Steven the conversation should go

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Speaker 2: sixth inning, but he did. But once he gives up

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Speaker 2: two hits, and now he's got two guys on. You

433
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 2: got a left he coming to the plate who hits

434
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:00,880
Speaker 2: right hand and pitching way better than he hits left

435
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 2: handed pitching. You have a lefty in the bullpen ready

436
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 2: to come in. It's just a terrible I mean, it's

437
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Speaker 2: just a terrible decision.

438
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:07,159
Speaker 3: It just was.

439
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 2: That's just a terrible decision. That's one you cannot make,

440
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 2: especially in a game of that magnitude. These games mean

441
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 2: way more to the Braves than they do to the Phillies.

442
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 2: The Phillies are gonna be in the playoffs no matter what,

443
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 2: and they're probably gonna win the division. But you know,

444
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 2: the slim hope that Braves have to win. The division

445
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 2: is gonna come down to these games, and so these

446
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 2: are critical games. And to make that decision and to

447
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 2: immediately get burned by it, I eventually lose the game.

448
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 2: It's just brutal. And I didn't love his reaction post game,

449
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 2: if I'm being honest, he just kind of you know,

450
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 2: it happens. You got to get you got to get

451
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Speaker 2: your starter out of that game. And you know, a

452
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 2: lot of this frustration comes from what happened last year

453
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: and the playoffs with Bryce Elder and letting Bress Elder

454
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Speaker 2: just sit out there and die in Game three last

455
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 2: year against Bryce Harper. I'm never I'm quite honestly never

456
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 2: gonna get over that. But it's just, yeah, it's just

457
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,479
Speaker 2: a it's a blind spot for for Snit. He's for

458
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: some reason, has more trust in his starters, you know,

459
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 2: tired starters than he does fresh believers, and it's just

460
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 2: something that you know, it burns him too much and

461
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,479
Speaker 2: it's something he's got to get better out. In my opinion,

462
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,719
Speaker 2: I think most of the criticism about Snids is unfair

463
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 2: and overblown, but I think this specific thing is fair.

464
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 2: I do think this is his biggest weakness as a manager.

465
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Speaker 2: And you know it burned him on Thursday night.

466
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Speaker 1: And again it's just you know, we've seen it happen

467
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Speaker 1: in the past. We saw it happened last night. You know,

468
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: you just you hope it doesn't happen again. But it's

469
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Speaker 1: these Every loss is going to continue to get more costly.

470
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Speaker 1: Just as an example, the Braves after this victory to

471
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Speaker 1: not against Philly, the Mets, I think are probably gonna

472
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: win their games not against the White Socks. The Braves

473
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: right now are likely going to end the night three

474
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Speaker 1: games ahead of the Mets, and they're now five games

475
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: back of Philly in the you know, least Snip pulls

476
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Speaker 1: more in my night pitches Bummer likely gets out of

477
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Speaker 1: that without giving up any runs and we win the game.

478
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 1: Instead of being at the end of tonight three games

479
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: up on the Mets in the wild Card and five

480
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: games behind Philly, we could instead be four games up

481
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: on the Mets in the wild Card and within three

482
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Speaker 1: games of Philly. Is that at the end of the

483
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: series you can make up a lot of ground. Obviously

484
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Speaker 1: playing head to head with Philadelphia, but the overall point

485
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Speaker 1: that I'm getting at when mentioning these numbers is how

486
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: impactful one loss can be, and Snitt just cannot allow

487
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Speaker 1: for this to happen again. And Stephen, the other thing

488
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: that stands out is is that with the Braves having

489
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: a pretty big league tonight, they still use Pierce Johnson

490
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: and Joe Jimenez Joe Emantes through nearly thirty pitches. When

491
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Speaker 1: rosters expand on Sunday, We're hopefully going to get days

492
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: bull Hernandez as an option in the bullpen, and maybe

493
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: in time we'll get a j Smith Shauber and those

494
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: two probably will take over rolls for Luke Jackson and

495
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: Jesse chabb Is, who are non entities to Snicker. So

496
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a bullpen that has her name is

497
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: has Ad Smith Shaw or Grant Holmes, you know, Aaron Bummer.

498
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: Snicker is going to have to start at some point

499
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 1: trusting options that he doesn't have a history of trusting.

500
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Speaker 1: It's going to require him to make the needed adjustment.

501
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: I feel like it can be made. I just don't

502
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: know how competent Snicker is going to be at being successful,

503
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: but he has to make that successful adjustment before the playoffs.

504
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is funny like tonight, you know,

505
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: the Braves jumped out, jumped all over Ranger Suarez, and

506
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: you know Orlandarcia had a couple of homer, Sean Murphy

507
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 2: had homer, Matt Olson had a couple more hits. Ozuno

508
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: was on base a bunch. Like they just had a

509
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: really good offen tonight, like we talked about earlier. And

510
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 2: so they jumped out to like a seven to one

511
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: lead in the seventh inning, and you know, here comes

512
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 2: Pierce Johnson and Joejiminez, which are basically two of the

513
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: three Braves highest for leverage relievers in a six run game. Yeah,

514
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: I just I don't understand, Like I would love to

515
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: see the leverage chart that snit has or keeps or

516
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 2: uses to decide how he's gonna run out guy, Like

517
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: how many runs on the board before this guy gets

518
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: used or how many you know, how big does the

519
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: lead have to be before this guy gets used. You know,

520
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: we saw Luke Jackson in a tie game the other day,

521
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: you know, we saw Jesse Chavis for two innings in

522
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 2: a close game, and then we see Pierce Johnson tonight

523
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 2: in a six run game, Joejimenez, Like it is very strange.

524
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 2: I like I tweeted it out right before we started recording,

525
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: but I haven't quite been able to figure out the

526
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: logic of how he runs out his relievers. I remember

527
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: Aj Mentor pitched him like a nine run game earlier

528
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: this year. Like, it is very strange, And you know,

529
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: I'm assuming Snitt just said, you know what, we have

530
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Speaker 2: to win this game after losing last night, so we're

531
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 2: just gonna make sure we get it. But like you said,

532
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: Joe Minniz through like thirty thirty one pitches tonight. He's

533
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 2: probably out tomorrow. And you know you used him in

534
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 2: a six run game, So it is very strange. I

535
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: don't I have yet to be able to figure out

536
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: exactly the logic he uses night in and night out.

537
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: But you know, it just kind of is what it

538
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: is with sni We. This is who he is. This

539
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: is who he's been for years now. This has always

540
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: been his blind spot. You know, he's an unbelievable like

541
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: clubhouse manager, and I think the bullpen management part is

542
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: his weakest part, quite honestly. And I think he's a

543
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 2: little slow on the you know, he's he doesn't have

544
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: the urgency to get his starter out the way other

545
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: teams do, you know, even tonight, like the Phillis got

546
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: rangersros out there quick, they got Sanchez, you know last night.

547
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: I mean, they don't leave their starters in to get

548
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 2: beat up once they're tired. And you know, I want

549
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: you watch other teams and it's the same thing, like

550
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 2: they're hyper aggressive and getting their starter out of the

551
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: game and getting you know, fresh relievers in the game,

552
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: and I you can't do that all year, of course,

553
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: but we're in you know, this is late on August,

554
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: We're in September. It's like this is the time, and

555
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: you know, it's just not what Snit does. And for

556
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 2: better or for worse, you know, there are plenty of

557
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: managers who are worse than Snit overall, but this is

558
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 2: just something that you know, Brace fans have kind of

559
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 2: learned just to deal with. And again tonight, you know,

560
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: your best relievers in a six run game, Okay, I

561
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: mean that's just you know, that's that's Snit And you know,

562
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. We'll see, you know, like you said,

563
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: the rosters do expand I'll get another reliever which will

564
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: help das Bell's a really good reliever. I'm assuming that's

565
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: who it's gonna be. We'll see if Jesse Chavez and

566
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: Luke Jackson hold on to their spots. I wouldn't be

567
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: surprised to see maybe somebody else come up and take

568
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: one of those spots as well. But we'll see. They

569
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: did get the big win tonight, that's what matters. You know,

570
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: one one tie, now you can go win the next

571
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: two games and cut it all the way down to

572
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: three games by the end of the series. So you

573
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: still have a lot in front of you to play

574
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 2: for and a lot you can accomplish. But yeah, the

575
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: bullpen decisions the last couple of nights are are tough

576
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: to follow in terms of the logic, if you know,

577
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: if you're trying to connect both of them at the

578
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 2: same time, it's it's a little tricky.

579
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Speaker 1: Steven, I won't delve too much into this, but I

580
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: do think that it's at least worth, you know, just

581
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: fun to discuss. You know, we got two more games

582
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: with the Phillies. You know, we beat them head to

583
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: head this year. I believe that we're going to Even

584
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: if the Phillies do win the next two games, I

585
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: believe that we've won the season series, But just in

586
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: a potential playoff matchup with our pitching, with our offense

587
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: being where it is, we could potentially have Austin Riley

588
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: and Ozzy Albi's back at that time. How confident are

589
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: you in a potential playoff series with the Braves versus

590
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: the Phillies right now? You know, coming off the last

591
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: two years. I mean, obviously the Phillies have our number,

592
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: but just in a potential playoff scenario, the big difference

593
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: between then versus now is the overall depth I feel

594
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: of the arms that we could rely upon to throw

595
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: multiple innings and throw multiple innings effectively, with the fact

596
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: that our offense may not be as reliable. But just

597
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: where are you in terms of a confidence level that

598
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: if we were to face the Phillies in the playoffs

599
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: right now, we could be competitive and potent win that series.

600
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Speaker 2: Well, Sean, I'm gonna be honest with Aboudy. I'm an

601
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: Atlanta sports fan, so my confidence level when it comes

602
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: to any sort of playoff is always pretty damn low.

603
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: Like that's just how I grew up, and you know,

604
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: I have watched this team in this franchise my entire

605
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: life be unbelievable in the in the regular season and

606
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: then lay an egg. Some are in the postseason. So like,

607
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: if you if the Braves and Phillies started a season

608
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 2: series tomorrow in the playoffs, I'd feel good because Chris Sale,

609
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,719
Speaker 2: Max Fried, Ronaldo Lopez are all pitching well. The offense

610
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: is going well right now, Matt Olson's hot, the bullpen

611
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: Iglesias has been one of the best relievers of baseball.

612
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: Like I would feel good if you just you know,

613
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: laid out the logic of it on paper. But at

614
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: somewhere in my gut is the Atlanta sports fan in me,

615
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: and I would be sick to my stomach. That's just

616
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: the you know, that's just the nature of of rooting

617
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: for this city for so many years. But I do

618
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: think the Brave feel like they have, you know, having

619
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: Chris Sale and Max Free, having your best to hit

620
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: your pitchers be lefties in a lineup where you know,

621
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: Schwarburn Harper are the guys you really have to make

622
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: sure you control. I think that does matter. And having

623
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Speaker 2: Chris Saale in general, and having somebody that you know

624
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: can go and shut down a lineup, you know, if

625
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: they can get to if they can get to October

626
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: with those two guys healthy, sailing in Max and you

627
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: know it, throwing Rinaldo, throwing a Glacias, Like you do

628
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: feel really good about that, Like you don't have to

629
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: score eight runs to win those games. You you should

630
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: be able to, you know, you should be able to

631
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: score three or four runs and win those games. So

632
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: I have confidence against anybody if the Braves can get

633
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: there with this group healthy and still clicking, you know,

634
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: Matt Olson doesn't fall off again, or you know, somebody

635
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: else get hurt, God forbid. You know, I do think

636
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: this team can beat anybody in a short series because

637
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: of their pitching. They just got to get to October.

638
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: They got to make the tournament and they got to

639
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: get their healthy, and you know, it's it's it's October.

640
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: Any can happen. The Diamondbacks won eighty four games last

641
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,239
Speaker 2: year and they made the World Series like anything had

642
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: happened in October obviously, so of course the Brads could

643
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: win it all. But you know, just on paper, just

644
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: with the starting pitching, the back end of the bullpen,

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Speaker 2: the offense, you know, doing better and better daily. Essentially, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I feel like the Braves could beat anybody if they

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Speaker 2: got this current group, you know to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Well, of course, getting there is what matters. And you know,

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Speaker 1: something that definitely would help is that over the next

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Speaker 1: two games, if we were to just split this series, right,

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Speaker 1: if we just simply were to split the next two games,

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Speaker 1: split this series, I think that that would be another

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Speaker 1: big boost for this Braves team another five and two

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Speaker 1: week versus what could potentially be, you know, their toughest

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Speaker 1: week of matchups moving forward for the rest of the season.

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Speaker 1: But don't want to hone into it on that, because

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Speaker 1: we've got two really fun pitching matchups, Max Red versus

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Speaker 1: Zach Wheeler, Spencer Swellingbach versus Aaron Nola probably the two

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Speaker 1: most familiar arms, the arms the Braves are most familiar with,

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Speaker 1: and Wheeler and Nola over the past decade, Freed obviously

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Speaker 1: getting back into his usual form, swelling Back being one

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Speaker 1: of the best revelations on the mound in baseball this year.

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Speaker 1: That's what's so great about these matchups that we talk about, Steven,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the Phillies and the Braves, is

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Speaker 1: that with how good they're pitching staffs have been this year,

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Speaker 1: you have great matchups and that's how we're going to

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Speaker 1: finish this series, Steven, how are we going to be

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Speaker 1: able to get a split to end this series, maybe

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Speaker 1: even be able to win the series and get two wins?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, only, you know, only if they had

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Speaker 2: some experience against Aaron Nola. You know, if only if

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Speaker 2: they had seen him a few times, maybe they would

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Speaker 2: have a chance. I mean, they've seen Aaron Nola. I've

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Speaker 2: watched Aaron Nola pitch against the Braves seventeen thousand times

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Speaker 2: in my life, so you know, there's no secrets. The

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Speaker 2: Braves have hit him well in the past. They've also

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Speaker 2: been shut down by him in the past, so you know,

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Speaker 2: I would call that game a toss up with Nola

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Speaker 2: and then with Wheeler, you know, same thing, Like the

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Speaker 2: Braves have have scored some runs off him, but he's

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Speaker 2: also dominated them. So you know, if you told me

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Speaker 2: the Braves split those two one to one, you know,

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Speaker 2: that was probably always the most likely outcome when the

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Speaker 2: series started. I get, you know, two really good teams

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Speaker 2: a four game series, kind of the median expected outcome

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Speaker 2: is probably a two two split, And of course that

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Speaker 2: just kind of leaves everything the same in terms of

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Speaker 2: the division. And you know, if I had to guess

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Speaker 2: right now, that's probably what I would say, that the

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Speaker 2: Braves probably take one of these next two games and

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Speaker 2: drop the other one. But we'll see. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, Max and swallow Back have been two of

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Speaker 2: the best pitchers on the team. Those two guys can

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Speaker 2: certainly go out and shut down any lineup. But you know,

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Speaker 2: swollen Box a rookie. Max's you know, struggled with the

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Speaker 2: Phillies at times in the past, so you know, I

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Speaker 2: could also see it going the other way. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the Braids could lose these two good I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: two games of baseball. Anything can happen, so of course

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Speaker 2: they could win. They've seen Aaron Nola a bunch. They've

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Speaker 2: got two pitchers on the mound who who have had

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Speaker 2: really good seasons, and it would not surprise me at

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Speaker 2: all to see them go both throw really good games.

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Speaker 2: You know, the bullpen is as always gon to be

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Speaker 2: a question just because it's been you so much. Who's available,

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Speaker 2: you know, I doubt Joe Hamannz is available tomorrow, which

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Speaker 2: is a notable factor. So we'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's not good, you know, if they don't

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Speaker 2: win it's not gonna because of lack of familiarity with

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Speaker 2: with Nolan Wheeler. They've seen him plenty, and you know,

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Speaker 2: they've got two good pictures on the mount to go

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Speaker 2: up against them, and we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: And that's the great thing about it is that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the fact is is that the past two weeks again,

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Speaker 1: Scott Coleman said it, others have said it as well,

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Speaker 1: it's been the best stretch of baseball so far for

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Speaker 1: the Braves, and it's given him this opportunity. It's given

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Speaker 1: him this opportunity to work. Hey, the most likely scenario

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Speaker 1: is are they going to win the division? No? Is

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Speaker 1: a good scenario going to be that they're going to

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Yes, but right now we're at least

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Speaker 1: able to enjoy what feels like playoff baseball. As Stephen

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Speaker 1: has said multiple times in this podcast, the Braves have

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Speaker 1: plenty to play for, and when they have plenty to

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Speaker 1: play for, especially against quality opposition, at least in the

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Speaker 1: regular season, they show that they can deliver time and

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Speaker 1: time again, I would expect for a split to happen,

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Speaker 1: and hey, if we can win the next two games,

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Speaker 1: that again could be a huge boost as we wind

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Speaker 1: up August and head into the final month of the season.

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Speaker 1: For Steven Tulborth, my name is Sean Coleman. You can

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Speaker 1: at stats SA see the Foul Territory podcast network. You

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Speaker 1: can find it out at Foul Territory across all forms

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Speaker 1: all forms of social media until next time. For Steven Tilborth,

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Speaker 1: my name is Sean Coleman. Go Braz We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you again soon here on the Hammer Territory podcast