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Speaker 1: Trust me.

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Speaker 2: Trust me. I'm like a swat person.

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Speaker 3: I've never lived to you, do.

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Speaker 1: You think that one person has all the answers? Don't

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Speaker 1: welcome to trust me? The podcast about cults, extreme belief,

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Speaker 1: and the abuse of power from two fucks? Why should

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Speaker 1: I fuck? I didn't mean to say Fox. Should we

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Speaker 1: keep fucks?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I like it. I am lol Oblanc and I'm Megan Elizabeth.

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Speaker 1: And today our guest is Noel Wells. You have possibly

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Speaker 1: seen her on television on SNL or A Master of None,

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Speaker 1: or in her own movie Mister Roosevelt, which she wrote

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Speaker 1: and directed, or possibly you've heard her music. And today

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about the experience that she had

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Speaker 1: with a scam psychic on a psychic retreat weekend.

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Speaker 2: After we interviewed her, she actually contacted the psychic again

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Speaker 2: and asked for her money back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty juicy. Stay tuned uned. But before we

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Speaker 1: do that, Megan, what's the cultiest thing that happened to

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Speaker 1: you this week?

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Speaker 5: Okay, the cultiest thing that happened to me this week?

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Speaker 2: As I can't stop getting excited for Thanksgiving even though

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Speaker 2: I know it's like the most evil holiday ever.

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Speaker 1: So you're in the cult of whiteness. Like, yeah, I'm in.

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Speaker 2: The cult of America. Like, I know Thanksgiving is not good,

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Speaker 5: It's really weird.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, are you doing a gathering for Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 5: I'm going home?

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, Well, first of all, please get tested first.

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Speaker 5: Yes, oh believe me, I am Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's understandable because we grow up having

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Speaker 1: these like warm, fuzzy memories exactly delicious food and family

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Speaker 1: gathering and they don't if you know, if they're not

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Speaker 1: talking about the origins of Thanksgiving and the terrible things

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Speaker 1: it's not going to be like ingrained in our bodies.

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Speaker 1: We have to like remind ourselves, right, deprogram are white.

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Speaker 5: It's really deprogramming, you know.

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Speaker 2: And like it just reminds me of when you speak

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Speaker 2: to somebody who's in a cult, and that kind of

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Speaker 2: cognitive dissonance of knowing that something is weird but having

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Look,

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Speaker 1: no one, no one can hate on eating a little

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Speaker 5: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: I mean, turkeys might disagree, but you know, there's yeah,

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Speaker 2: Turkey's great.

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Speaker 1: I truly did not know about the like the horrors

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Speaker 1: I mean, hopefully that will change, but middle of America's no,

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Speaker 1: they're not into the truth.

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Speaker 5: What is the cultiest thing that happened to you this week?

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Speaker 1: The cultiest thing that happened to me this week was

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Speaker 1: that I realized, how do I put this, I realized

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Speaker 1: in a way I was kind of brainwashed a little

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Speaker 1: I just like, looking back on my mental state when

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't like a hymn thing, and it wasn't

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Speaker 1: don't know, it's crazy. I've never had that in a

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Speaker 2: Well that's interesting because that's what makes you know, that

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Speaker 1: But now he's in love. Oh really, I'm not in

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Speaker 1: I'm in love with my dog. Okay, anyway, so should

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Speaker 1: we should we talk to Noel.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk to Noel.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Noel. Well, Hi, hi guys, Hi, thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us. Noel is a very talented filmmaker, musician, comedian.

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Speaker 1: Do you consider yourself a comedian?

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Speaker 3: this mean I get to be funny? Well? My humor

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Speaker 3: I think I'm really funny, but it's hard to be

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Speaker 3: And it's insane that one human being did this to

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Speaker 3: Yeah and so genuine too. Yeah, And it's hard to

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Speaker 1: So so the reason that we have you on today

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Speaker 3: It began with a psychic. I got taken I got

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Speaker 3: And then also me also feeling like I was psychic,

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Speaker 3: that's how you get to the psychic who cons you.

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Speaker 2: Right, so, yeah, and walks this person, how did you

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Speaker 2: how did you meet? Ye?

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Speaker 3: So, I like a lot of things in my life.

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Speaker 3: So the things that transpire by the way I think,

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Speaker 1: Is there any chance that we know who she's talking about?

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Speaker 4: Like I knew it was false and I talked myself

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Speaker 5: This weekud terrifying your body is like, I am not.

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Speaker 3: and this woman's like sobbing, and it was really crazy.

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00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 4: It was like really crazy. I was like, oh my god,

443
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 4: this is legit and that's so cool that this just.

444
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 3: Happened for this person. And then she was like, well, guys,

445
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 3: I was gonna give a teaching, but maybe you guys

446
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 3: want do you want me to channel some more? Like

447
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 3: and everybody was like chan everyone to hear their story.

448
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 3: So she's like all right. So then she starts scrawling

449
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 3: on a piece of paper, like scrawling quick notes, quick notes,

450
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 3: quick notes, like a cartoon, psychic like like.

451
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: A cartoon, like just like automatic writing, like automatic writing.

452
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 3: Right, I don't judge that. But she's just like her

453
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 3: eyes are rolled back in her head and she's doing

454
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 3: all this stuff, and I just was like, wow, like

455
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 3: this is like really intense. This is happening. And she

456
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 3: does it for like maybe ten minutes, and at first

457
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 3: I just have like my eyes open for the whole time.

458
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 3: I'm so nervous, and I think to myself, what if

459
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 3: she calls on me first?

460
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 5: Right?

461
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 4: And then I was like, Noel, you're so egocentric.

462
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 3: Why do you want to make it all about you? Like,

463
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 3: but essentially, like ten minutes goes by of her doing

464
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 3: all this. It's like a really long time. And finally

465
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, just close your eyes.

466
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 4: Everybody else has their eyes closed. I close my eyes.

467
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 3: Five seconds after I close my eyes, the room is quiet.

468
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 3: She's been quiet for ten minutes. She goes Noel, and

469
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 3: I my stomach drops out, like I'm just like, holy shit,

470
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 3: I've never been so prop I was just like, what

471
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 3: is about to happen?

472
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 4: Is my life about to change?

473
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: Like? What is she going to say? Who are my ancestors? Like,

474
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 3: who's gonna talk to me?

475
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

476
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 3: So she goes, Bobby's here, and then she starts talking

477
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 3: to me about Bobby. She's like and Teddy and Teddy

478
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 3: was like a Teddy Bear and the firefire department and

479
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 3: he made everybody so proud. And she just like starts

480
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 3: talking about all these people. I have no idea what's

481
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 3: going on. I don't know anything she's talking about. And

482
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 3: then she's just talking and talking, saying all these things,

483
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 3: and I was like, I think in these situations usually

484
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 3: psychics like really like they expect you to nod. Yeah,

485
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 3: there's kind of and I even was like observing. I

486
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 3: was like I could bullshit her, but I was like,

487
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: but none of this is true. None of it is true.

488
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 3: And then after a little bit, because she wasn't getting

489
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 3: this like ridiculous reaction out of me, she goes, is

490
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 3: any of this feeling accurate to you?

491
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 4: And I go, I go, I just shook my head no.

492
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 4: And then she goes.

493
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 3: And then there's a woman here that looks like a

494
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 3: grandmother and there's a lot of female trauma in your

495
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 3: line and maybe sexual abuse and saying things And I

496
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 3: was like, uh yeah, I mean like probably because I

497
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 3: mean women, yeah, women also like my my ancestors. This

498
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 3: is not this is like a for real thing. Are

499
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: native like a native natural native American matrion lineal line,

500
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 3: So like literally, I'm assuming rape is part of how

501
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: any of us have been inducted into this culture. Like

502
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 3: and then she just very quickly just moves on to

503
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: the woman sitting next to me and she's like mm

504
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 3: and she's like Caroline, Elise is here, and this woman

505
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 3: next to me just starts.

506
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: Bawling, Oh my god.

507
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 3: Then she goes around the room and does this for

508
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 3: a lot of people, and I was like what is

509
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 3: wrong again, asking like what's wrong with me? I also

510
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 3: feel like sometimes I have like a trickster energy that's

511
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: always trying to fuck with me.

512
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 4: And I was like, is this the is this the?

513
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 4: Is this like the trickster like the Sabatur the Sabatur? Yeah?

514
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 3: I was like, are they like blocking her channeling? Like

515
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 3: what's going on?

516
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 4: And I was like, well can I can?

517
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 3: I I should talk to her about it like maybe

518
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 3: she knows right. So after she does everybody and like

519
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 3: there's there's a couple here their daughter had died, and

520
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: she's going into all these specifics about her daughter and

521
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 3: how like her dancing in plays. She listed all the

522
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: plays like it was insane.

523
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: These details are too specific.

524
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 3: So I think it was the most blown away I've

525
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 3: ever been by a psychic because they were so specific. Right,

526
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: So it was like and I'm seeing all these people

527
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: like doubling over and they are so specific. But she

528
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: was so wrong with me.

529
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 4: So afterwards I went up to her and I was like, hey,

530
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 4: I just want to talk to you.

531
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 3: So none of those people that you talked to me

532
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: about it didn't feel like it was for me. And

533
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: she goes, oh, She's like I knew something was happening.

534
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 4: She's like, I just knew something was happening.

535
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 3: You know what, sometimes things interfere. That was exactly what

536
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: I've been thinking, right, She's like, so like I'm going

537
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: to figure this out. I'll like you know. So she

538
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 3: just was like, yes, yes, I understood something.

539
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 5: Was going on.

540
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: Okay, next day and it's a spiritual treat, so there's

541
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 3: other different things.

542
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: Happening I'm just like things interfere with totally wrong names

543
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: in detail. Okay, So here's what happens.

544
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: The next day.

545
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 4: We're going up to some it's Sedona.

546
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 3: There are these things there's like vortexes or energy fields

547
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: that people like.

548
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 4: Put people in.

549
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 3: I don't know.

550
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 4: We're going up to a hill.

551
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 3: So we're going up to the hill and we're all

552
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: caravanning up to some sacred spot and she puts me

553
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: in her. By the way, there's a very famous actress

554
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: on this retreat who she's like glommed onto in a

555
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 3: very specific way. So she puts me in the car

556
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 3: with her and she was like, so she pulled. She's like,

557
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: and somebody else was driving, and she's like, I'm so

558
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 3: sorry about what happened yesterday. She was like, you know

559
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 3: the coup. There's this couple that these daughter had died.

560
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: They're so skeptical that the daughter was channeling. She's like,

561
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: she really likes you. The daughter's energy really likes you

562
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 3: as in me. She's like, you guys are both blue

563
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: Jay energy. You're you're like these very theatrical sort of people.

564
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: Like she likes you. But she died when she was

565
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 3: like nineteen, so she's like telling me, this nineteen year

566
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: old girl loves me.

567
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 5: Oh wow.

568
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 3: And she's like, she was using you too, because she

569
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: knows her dad is so skeptical of stuff like this.

570
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: She was using you to say the names of people

571
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: in his life because I could see him starting to

572
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 3: get really uncomfortable, and that's why I moved off of you.

573
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay. I was like, So, she's like,

574
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: but I think she's like last night, I like channeled.

575
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 3: So then she starts this recorder for me, and then

576
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: she just starts basically channeling, and she talks about my

577
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: great grandmother and she says her name, and she talks

578
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 3: about my uncle Earl, and she tells me she sees

579
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 3: him passing out milk, which I have no idea what

580
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: that means. She talks about she says, your your great

581
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: grandmother was so proud of you at your graduation. She's like,

582
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: and she saw the clothes that you made.

583
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 4: And I was just like because.

584
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: My grand had died. And I was shocked because my

585
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: great grandmother, from all I knew, was like a mean woman.

586
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my god, Like in the afterlife,

587
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: I guess all's sort of forgiven.

588
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 4: I was like, that's so cool, and she's like, she

589
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 4: was so proud of you. She's saying she loved seeing

590
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 4: you and your mom.

591
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: And Bye Bye Bertie, which is a play I did,

592
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 3: and a Piece of My Or I did a play

593
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: by by Bertie, and a Piece of My Heart, which

594
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: is a play me and my mom did, and I

595
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: just was like, I was like, holy shit. I was

596
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: like what. And the whole time I thought I was

597
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 3: so alone? Right, because I went in here thinking I'm

598
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: so alone, and now I'm being told that my great

599
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: grandmother's been watching me, like watching me this whole time

600
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: and has been ruining me on and the afterlife. She

601
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: also told me like she said my great grandmother like

602
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 3: was in charge of people's stories, that she she like

603
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: kept records of a town that I might even have property.

604
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 3: She was saying all these very interesting, very specific things.

605
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: And then afterwards she was like, does this all make

606
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: more sense?

607
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, thank you.

608
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: So I kind of spent the whole day sort of

609
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: wrapping my mind around because she said, oh she's she

610
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: said one thing that I thought was so devastating. She

611
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: talked about my uncle Earl, and she goes he says,

612
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: it's okay, you didn't come to his funeral MM, and

613
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I didn't go to

614
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: his funeral. I never even I never even thought to

615
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: go to his funeral, which, in a weird way was

616
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: like very humbling where I was like, oh wow, I've

617
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 3: been so self centered, you see how like basically throw

618
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: everything back on me. But then I was like I

619
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: didn't know. I this is why I thought. I was

620
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 3: like I never even thought he would have wanted me

621
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: to come. Was like the way that I thought about it,

622
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: and I was like, so I'm thinking about all my

623
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: all my family members. I was like kind of estranged

624
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: with in the afterlight after life, being like it's okay,

625
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: you didn't come to our funeral. We're just so happy

626
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: you're acting and like making clothes.

627
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: Like right, seeing all this stuff, like oh my god.

628
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: She also but then she also said things that were

629
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: really bullshitty, Like she was like she was saying like

630
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: I see someplace in Kentucky, and my mom was from Kentucky,

631
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: and she's like, I see the Cumberland River. And I

632
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: was like, so just to cut ahead. When I talked

633
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 3: to my mom about it, she was like I never

634
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: grew up by a river. She never grew up by

635
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: the Cumberland River, right right, this kind of bullshit, But anyway,

636
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: so I just spent that day being like really having

637
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: to rewrite the story about the women in my life,

638
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: specifically because she talked a lot about the women in

639
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: my life and how hard it was for them, and

640
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, I guess it is

641
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: worth just forgiving because this is my life, and I

642
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: don't know. It really put me in a place of

643
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: being really receptive of like whatever I was going to

644
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: experience for the rest of the trip. And I really

645
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: I couldn't really get into a lot of the rituals,

646
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: but I was seeing things that felt like they were

647
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: specifically for me, like this kind of like I kept

648
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: seeing like a this Buddha face or this Hindu Buddha.

649
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 4: Like I saw it in the rocks, like I was

650
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 4: seeing this.

651
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: And then later at the end of the trip, we

652
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: ended up at a Buddhist like a Buddhist temple area

653
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: in so don't I don't know what it's called, but

654
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: it was exactly the face that I had seen. So

655
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 3: I was having my own psychic experience from the trip

656
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: and on top of that, the couple whose daughter died

657
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: I became really close with because she had told me

658
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: that the daughter liked me. So I became friends with them.

659
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: How while she just the mom started talking to me,

660
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: and you know, I'm like really like I said, I

661
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: was like, been, I'm very protective. I didn't want people

662
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: close to me because but because I had been told

663
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: that the daughter liked me, I kind of was like,

664
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: I need to be receptive to whatever these like these

665
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: are my these might be my friends, Like maybe we

666
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: can learn something from each other. I thought she was

667
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: really funny too, and we were like hanging out. I

668
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: gave her my phone number. We so we've basically have.

669
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: Me and the mom have been talking for a year.

670
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: She's she and I talk almost every single day. Oh wow,

671
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: still still okay. So I have retold the story of

672
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: like this crazy retreat, this like weird psychic thing, how

673
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: like how this daughter had channel. You know, it was

674
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: like this weird thing about how she used me to

675
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: like kind of get through to her dad. But then

676
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: I got my real thing, and then now I'm friends

677
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: with the parents. Right. It all seems to have unfolded

678
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: in a very specific and beautiful way okay. So recently

679
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: I got put after the retreat, I got put in

680
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 3: a text thread about people talking about how horrible the

681
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: retreat was. But I was so sensitive I couldn't even

682
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: deal with like I couldn't deal with the negativity of

683
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: even seeing that, so I just like got out of it.

684
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: So I never knew what went down in the thread

685
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: or like how people were upset. But I will say

686
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: one thing that happened in the retreat is that we

687
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 3: were taken to this woman's jewelry shop and she like

688
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: was like Sedona Native American stuff, like a woman making

689
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: like jew like bands and leather stuff out of snake skin.

690
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: And I was being like, it was like they were

691
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: really pressuring us to buy stuff, and I didn't want

692
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 3: any of it. I didn't like the way that it looked.

693
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: It wasn't my style. And the woman, the psychic, kept

694
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: calling me down and kept being like, no, don't you

695
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: want this. This was like this thing I had a vision.

696
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: At some point, She's like, this is the thing from

697
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: your vision, And I kept saying no, and I said no,

698
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 3: and I kept saying no, and I kept leaving, and

699
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 3: then finally she courted me. She goes You're gonna have

700
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: a really good year next year, I know, like as

701
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: in money wise.

702
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 5: Oh huh.

703
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 3: So I got pressured into buying like one hundred and

704
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: twenty dollars thing.

705
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: Oh god, but I was pretty mad.

706
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: I was just like why did this happen? And that

707
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: was a thing that a lot of people were mad about,

708
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: was like why did we m part of our spiritual

709
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: retreat that we got we paid for? Why were we

710
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: being like home shopping networked for you know what I'm saying. Hmmm.

711
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: So I thought it was bad. And then I had

712
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: this peace in my house for like two months, and

713
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: I was like, maybe I should be getting something out

714
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: of this, like maybe I'm not understanding, Like maybe maybe

715
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: I'm like so close minded right like oh, and then

716
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: finally I was like I don't fucking like this and

717
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: I got rid of it. I was just like, maybe

718
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: I don't fucking like that.

719
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: Hell yeah.

720
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 3: So going back to me talking to this this mom,

721
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: this mom for almost a year, something got brought back

722
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: up about about this situation, and then she goes, noelh

723
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: she was a con artist. And I was like wait

724
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: what she goes, Oh, yeah, she just looked up everybody's obituaries,

725
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: and I was like, what are you talking about. She goes, oh, no, no, no,

726
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 3: we all like. She's like, we all figured it out.

727
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: I was like, what do you mean. She's like, she

728
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 3: just looks up newspapers, finds your name, and then gets

729
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 3: specifics from the newspapers and weaves it into a tail.

730
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, no, no. And by the way,

731
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 3: one of the things I confirmed afterwards about my uncle Earl,

732
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: passing out milk. I had no idea what that meant.

733
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 3: I called my grandma. She goes, yeah, he worked at

734
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: a milk factory, right, And she said he's in a uniform.

735
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: She those are the two facts she said he's in

736
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: I see him. He's in a uniform and he's passing

737
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: out milk. And I didn't know anything about my uncle Earl.

738
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: So the night my Grandma's like, yeah, he was in

739
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 3: the Navy and he worked in a milk factory. I

740
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: was blown away, right, and she's like, no, no, she

741
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 3: found everything. You can just google. She googled.

742
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: She's like, she googled articles about my dead daughter. Oh

743
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 4: that's so, and took her recifix.

744
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: From the articles and used it to bullshit us. And

745
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: she was like, and you know, she just lied to us.

746
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 3: It was but she's like everything she said I went

747
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 3: and looked and found in a newspaper. Yeah, and because

748
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: she was a dead nineteen year old, Like, she's a

749
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 3: nineteen year old girl that passed away so suddenly, and

750
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: she was such a part of the community. There was

751
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: so much information, so much information about her online.

752
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 4: So she told me this one night, and I was.

753
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 3: Like, no, no, I don't.

754
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 4: Know she because I've never been conned so hard.

755
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never had that moment where because I just

756
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: I know you can google stuff. I've always known that

757
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: with psychics, but I've never had anybody ever do that.

758
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 3: I've only ever had people who are talking to me

759
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 3: about dynamics they couldn't possibly know anything about.

760
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 4: But what I But I realized she was giving everybody.

761
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: Facts, right, she was using facts too, and then bullshitting

762
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: around the phone.

763
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 5: Why did she give you the wrong facts the first time?

764
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 3: Because she my understanding from now putting it, she looked

765
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: up the wrong well else.

766
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I assumed to ask, because she didn't

767
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: know who I was, right, right, So when we so

768
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: I contacted her from my email just that doesn't have

769
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: my last name.

770
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: But you have to do an intake form where you

771
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: give information and that she says it's part of the

772
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: retreat as far part of like a medical thing, like

773
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 3: you know, I think it's just so you know, if

774
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: you're on this retreat, so you give like a lot

775
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: of information your date of birth.

776
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: Like oof, don't like any of that.

777
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 4: Oh my god, yeah, and it's insane.

778
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 3: I can't. And she and you know, here's the thing.

779
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: I've been recommended by another friend. I thought it had

780
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: been like a vetted sort of situation. It's interesting. So

781
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 3: then so she told me, no, she's a Connors And

782
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I don't even know if there

783
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 3: are obituaries of these people that she So I went

784
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: back and I listened to the whole thing of what

785
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: she'd said because I have the recording. I was like,

786
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 3: there are only a couple of facts she's using here

787
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: that blew me away.

788
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 4: Because everything else was kind of like confusing.

789
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: Like I was like, there's some stuff where I was

790
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 3: just like, well, maybe the only interesting thing that she

791
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: said that I find was like, how did she find this?

792
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: She's like, your mom writes poetry, and your your one

793
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: of your Grandma's is saying she needs to keep writing

794
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 3: poetry that I don't know, Like, did she find that online?

795
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 3: I'm not sure my mom did write poetry. I found

796
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: that very I thought that was very beautiful that she

797
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: told me that. And how cool is that? It is

798
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 3: like telling my mom to keep going with her dream.

799
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: I don't know.

800
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 3: So I was like, so I took the facts that

801
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: I had. I started with my uncle Earl, and I

802
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: found his obituary and it all it says in it

803
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 3: is essentially like he worked. He was in the navy,

804
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: and he worked in a milk factory.

805
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: Stop it now, And.

806
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: It said the people that were at the funeral, no,

807
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: So she connected it so she I don't know how.

808
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly how she did it, but it

809
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: was that was all that was the.

810
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 5: Only information, right, Like, I am impressed with her memory.

811
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that too, all those people in

812
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: the rock, remembering all those she.

813
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 4: Didn't do everybody, That's what's interesting.

814
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: So she did not do everybody she found like a

815
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 3: convenient way to avoid some people.

816
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 4: Right, And it's so hard for me to like, still

817
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: I still want to give her the benefit of it.

818
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: Out Right, Why I don't know, because I can't believe

819
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: that people are bad. I don't know why. So what

820
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 3: I had written in the post you saw was that

821
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: I projected my good intentions on the entire situation. Right,

822
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: So even with the lies, I found a way for

823
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: it to suit me because I went there to heal,

824
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 3: and so I let go of a bunch of stuff

825
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 3: on this retreat. So ultimately going on this retreat was

826
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 3: very productive for me because I was in the state

827
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: of mind where, you know, she tells me on these

828
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: things and I'm like, well, I thought that woman was

829
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 3: a bad woman.

830
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I guess I don't know everything, Like.

831
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just and I let it go. And

832
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 3: I and I and I actually believe my perspective on

833
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: how I.

834
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 5: Think to do that. I think got a lot out

835
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 5: of it.

836
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: And now you're not going to get totally can we

837
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: say meant though, I mean, but I think that way.

838
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: I do too, because here's here's the thing I do too.

839
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I still make it choy es throughout the

840
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 3: whole process. At any point, like the only part I

841
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: found really like in the moment, found really inappropriate was

842
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: her forcing me to buy something and it would not

843
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 3: happen today. It was like that moment was so.

844
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 4: Upsetting for me that I vow, because I vowed never

845
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 4: to have anybody do that to me again.

846
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: So it's like a valuable thing, right, All of the

847
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: things are valuable in a sense for sure.

848
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean, well, yeah, I just don't like the word

849
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: meant because meant to me implies that there's some greater

850
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: thing above that has decided that this must happen to you,

851
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: versus the reality as I see it, which is when

852
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: bad things happen to us, we find ways to incorporate

853
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: them into our life story, into our narrative and find

854
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: hopefully find the good things that came out of it,

855
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: and you know, integrate them going forward, because that's what

856
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: we have to do in order to survive, right, I hear, right,

857
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: But like this idea that to me, it falls under

858
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's in the dangerous territory of that sort

859
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: of magical thinking totally.

860
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 5: You know Atho's magical thinking.

861
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I don't have that, I know, but

862
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: I do.

863
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: And this is where I'll say, you're both right exactly.

864
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: That's what's that's what's unfortunate, is like, yeah, was it

865
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: meant to happen. I think I could have made a

866
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: different choice, but when I was already in the situation,

867
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: everything that happened, I decided how to cope with it.

868
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 3: And then even when I found out she was a

869
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 3: year later, it was like almost a year to the

870
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: day I found out, I thought it was just so funny.

871
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 4: I was like, there's a lot of different ways to

872
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 4: react to this.

873
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 3: I could go demand my money back, which honestly, I

874
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 3: want my money back. I want my money back.

875
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: How much was it, I don't it was like nine

876
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: hundred dollars nine hundred.

877
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 4: Here's the thing.

878
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: I was desperate, and that's that's what happens. And you

879
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: and I gave my power and my authority to discern

880
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 3: a way to somebody who convinced me that she knew

881
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 3: more about my situation than I did. I see all

882
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 3: of the things that I've I've gotten so much out

883
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 3: of it, and I think it had to have taken

884
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: when we're saying it's meant to be, it had to

885
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: have taken a year for me to figure this out,

886
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: because I think I might have even made excuses for

887
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: her even a year earlier. But then within that year,

888
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: so many other weird things have happened to me where

889
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 3: I was like, no, no, no, I'm not gonna let

890
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: this stuff happen to me anymore. And it was almost

891
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: like the final reveal. And by the way, this one

892
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: thing was also like bullshit, and I was like, oh,

893
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: so the whole time I knew what I always.

894
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 4: Knew the truth. I knew the truth.

895
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 3: I'll say the only thing that I found super interesting.

896
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: I don't believe she's without some kind of talent, right this,

897
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: And this is how I think manipulators work. I've thought

898
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: this is to me at the end of the day,

899
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 3: like a connas manipulator.

900
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 4: They're a dark magician, like if we're thinking.

901
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 3: About archetypes, they're in touch with how human emotions work,

902
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: or how people's minds work, or how you know, like

903
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 3: the fallibility of like mind.

904
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 4: And I think that there are two types of magicians.

905
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: There are magicians that do things for good, like it's

906
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 3: always like a positive or magicians that are like sort

907
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: of dark magicians. And she was doing it to like

908
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 3: fulfill something for herself, like get money. She's like she's stealing.

909
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: Here's also how I've been thinking about things. Money is

910
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: energy and by being deceitful. She's a vampire. So she

911
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: was stealing money from people who were vulnerable, because that

912
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: vulnerability is when people don't guard their energy and they

913
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 3: don't because they're so desperate to understand. They're like children,

914
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: You're like a little kid and they don't know. And

915
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: you know, it's like if you're preying on somebody who's

916
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: in that position, you're like stealing from a child.

917
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 4: Like you're yeah, it's so fucking me.

918
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: It's a predator. I'm like, she e connordss is a predator.

919
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: So I believe she has skills.

920
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 5: Right, So she's sociopathic.

921
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she used these powers because I do believe

922
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 3: in some of the experiences that I had, and because

923
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: she's so smart, right, Like you're saying she's so smart.

924
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: She was able to remember all these things. She's really

925
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: quick on her toes, Like she's like really good at

926
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: like bullshit. She's a bullshit art right, you know the

927
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: bullshit at the end of it, she she gave everybody

928
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: like white light, like she channeled light and some people

929
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 3: were getting this light and crying and like I was like,

930
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen to me? I actually don't I've gotten

931
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 3: so many healings, but I've never like had an I've

932
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: never had like an extreme experience where I'm like, oh

933
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: my God, like I don't I don't really buy the

934
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess I'm really connected to the

935
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 3: physical stuff. But she put her hands on me, and

936
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: I felt for the first time in my life what

937
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: it meant when people say light. I always thought of

938
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: like a white light, as you're gonna see a light,

939
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: and then I got the sense that light is light

940
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 3: like as it's not heavy heavy yeah. Yeah, And I

941
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 3: it was like an epiphany where I was like, that's

942
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 3: what light is. It's clean and it's clear, and it's

943
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: under control.

944
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's that's just a commercial reference.

945
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: So I don't know, and I think anybody, I think

946
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: anybody has that capacity to sort of be that channel.

947
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: I don't think you have to be psychic to be

948
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: clear like to be able to channel that. But I

949
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: think that that's exactly what cult leaders do, is like

950
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 3: they have access to a thing that maybe we all

951
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 3: have access to, but they wield it as in a

952
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: position of authority. Yeah, so then you follow them and

953
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: you give them things they steal from you. Rather than

954
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 3: being like I know how to do this. Let me

955
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: help you, like, let me give this to you.

956
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 1: But even anyone who says let me help you, if

957
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: they're saying that they have the answer right that I

958
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: like red flag, even when they have good intentions, like

959
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: they you know, nobody has all the answers.

960
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 5: They just don't.

961
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: So even if you're saying it out of like earnestness,

962
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: you're being there's some kind of weird ego thing there when.

963
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 4: You're like, no, no, no, trust me, I know.

964
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 5: Trust me, ha ha ha Is she still in business?

965
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 5: Is this?

966
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: But I don't, I don't know.

967
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 3: I don't.

968
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 4: Here's what I did. I was like, I don't have

969
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 4: the energy to care.

970
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 3: I'm asking for my money back, like in the cosmic

971
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: order of things, like sometimes when bad things happened to

972
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: me and I spent my money, I think I paid

973
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 3: for a lesson, Like it's like.

974
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 4: Going to school.

975
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: This is a good way to look at it.

976
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, so then you're training yourself.

977
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 3: But just like when you invest in school, like you,

978
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 3: the hope is is that later in life you because

979
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: you now have all this information, these skill sets, you'll

980
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: be able to make the money back with your wisdom.

981
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 3: You get the energy back, So I'm not gonna think

982
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: of it in a bad way. But also obviously I

983
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 3: don't want anybody to ever go to this person. But

984
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 3: what I heard from when I was told was that

985
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 3: she no longer is allowed to do her retreats in

986
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 3: Sodona because she was working with other people and there

987
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: were natives like involved with them. So I think that

988
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 3: maybe enough people complained.

989
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: Oh good, Yeah, I just like shit, I just like so,

990
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: I remember when I read the game, and you know,

991
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: our friend Handsome George as we call him, used to

992
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: teach pick up and one of the things that they

993
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: would talk about, or one of the things that Neil's

994
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 1: your house is really interested in it was the idea

995
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: of cold reading people, which is just a skill that

996
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: you can develop. It's not like a magical thing. It's

997
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 1: just like it's almost like Sherlock Holmes, like you're picking

998
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: up on little cues and little personality quirks and like

999
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: gestures and physical movements.

1000
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could probably look at someone's nails and know

1001
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: like how to manipulate that, right, Yeah, I.

1002
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: Mean are you artistic?

1003
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 4: And I'm like, yeah, not knowing that I have like

1004
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 4: paint on my ead.

1005
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, no, exactly, or even like you can sometimes

1006
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: you can talk talk to a person and know they

1007
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: have some fucked up trauma and they're pat because of

1008
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: the way that they're talking about a thing, you know. Like,

1009
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: I just think it just gets so dangerous when we

1010
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 1: start to call it magic instead of like being psychology.

1011
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 4: Wait, that's what I'm saying.

1012
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: When I when I was experiencing the psychic sort of things,

1013
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 3: I started recognizing this isn't this isn't this isn't somewhere else.

1014
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 4: This is in my body, in my back. I just

1015
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 4: am very sensitive.

1016
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm getting more information and then somebody else

1017
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: would like I can walk into a room and I

1018
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: can tell who's hurting and where, And I don't think

1019
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: that that's like a like if you told me you're

1020
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 3: in pain or you're like I don't feel very good,

1021
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 3: and if I tuned into you to be like, oh,

1022
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: it's like great here, like I can feel it. That's

1023
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 3: but that's not crazy to me, right, Does that make sense?

1024
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 3: Like I don't believe that's paranormal because it's just that

1025
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: because other people are not that sensitive, it feels magical.

1026
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 5: It's just a part of our brain we haven't like

1027
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 5: tapped into.

1028
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1029
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: I was talking to all these like these writers who

1030
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 2: are just a bunch of guys who write on a show,

1031
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 2: and they were like, we when we're in a writer's

1032
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 2: room think of things together at the same time that

1033
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 2: would never happen in a bazillion years. Like our brains

1034
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: are all linked up. There's something in our brains that

1035
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: do that together, Like we just don't know how it

1036
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: works yet it's to you.

1037
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: I mean magic, there's a there's a there's this, there's

1038
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: this great video online. At the study that they did,

1039
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: I always say they whoever they are, they are some

1040
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: talking researcher, is just some stupid US researchers. No, but

1041
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: it was like a marketing study. So they pick people

1042
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: up from the airport and drive them on a very

1043
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: particular path, past very particular things, and bring them to

1044
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: this office and say, okay, draw us the logo for

1045
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: this whatever company. I remember zero specifics. But then they

1046
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: bring a second person, and then I think they ring

1047
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: a third person along the same path, passing the same things,

1048
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: and the logos that they draw when they get there

1049
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: are almost identical.

1050
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 4: Oh cool, And.

1051
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: They go back and they look at I think I

1052
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: was like, maybe a sun somehow involved in the logo.

1053
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: You go back and they pass this particular thing on

1054
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: the wall that was a song.

1055
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 5: Have you seen that guy do that at like the

1056
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 5: James Gordon Show or wherever.

1057
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: He shows them a few things and he's like, okay,

1058
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: everybody draw a picture and I and they all have

1059
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 2: drawn the exact same picture.

1060
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: Guided, right, Yeah, priming, it's criming, right, yeah, so sad,

1061
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,959
Speaker 1: it's interesting, like it's it's fascinating, But I just think

1062
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: like there's so much going on subconsciously at all times,

1063
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 1: are processing so much information and all the time that

1064
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: what is like really pretty normal neuronal Is that the

1065
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: word neural? Neurological?

1066
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, neuronal whateveronal sure.

1067
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: Processes they yet they appear to be this mystical thing.

1068
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 3: Right, But but then people who have not so great

1069
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: intentions they learn how to do this, right, this is

1070
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 3: how predators work connartists, right, I mean, this is exactly

1071
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 3: like it's you. I mean, the few times that I've

1072
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 3: been violated by manipulators, Like I see the way that

1073
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 3: they primed me. They used things, they had me agree

1074
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 3: to things, and then later they were like, but you

1075
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 3: just agreed to that, and I am with the psychology

1076
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 3: of that is is like, oh, I don't want to

1077
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 3: be an unagreeable person, so they play people like that,

1078
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 3: and now you just now I think I'm at a

1079
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: level of awareness because of the gut feeling, I wouldn't

1080
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 3: be like you're trying to manipulate me. And I actually

1081
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 3: know that, like I've for most of my life, I've

1082
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 3: been able to know those things. But I guess this

1083
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 3: kind of comes back to the to the beginning where

1084
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: I've realized, like the pain that I'm in has nothing,

1085
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 3: has mostly nothing to do with me.

1086
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 4: I don't feel good because.

1087
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 3: Of how unhealthy things are, and because I'm so sensitive.

1088
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 3: That's what doesn't feel great, but that I know, and

1089
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 3: that the world just tells me that I'm being difficult

1090
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 3: or that I'm gaslighting because other people either just are

1091
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: unconscious or because you know, when you call unhealthy things out,

1092
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: it's like a very challenging It's a challenging thing where

1093
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 3: you either have to acquiesce so that the environment can

1094
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: continue operating in the way that it does, or you

1095
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: get ejected and that becomes a very painful thing too,

1096
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: Like I just keep getting rejected out of things there's

1097
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 3: something wrong with me. Maybe I'm being too harsh, Maybe

1098
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 3: I'm not giving these people the benefit of a doubt.

1099
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 3: And at a certain point you're like, I don't know,

1100
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not the bad person, like I've been convinced

1101
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 3: I'm bad. When my body doesn't want to touch this woman,

1102
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 3: I think, what's wrong with Why am I so broken

1103
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 3: that I don't want to let a stranger hug me?

1104
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 5: Right?

1105
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: When really, maybe children have been convinced that they're supposed

1106
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 3: to be nice to everybody. Yeah, when children have like

1107
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 3: girls in particular, girls particularly like go hug that person,

1108
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 3: and you're just like, Okay, I guess even if I

1109
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 3: don't want to, like.

1110
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that story reminds me. I feel like I've probably

1111
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: told this story on the podcast, but it reminds me

1112
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: of the time when I believed in my prophet, when

1113
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: I was twelve, and I was like praying by myself

1114
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,959
Speaker 1: to bear my testimony about him, and I couldn't get

1115
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,479
Speaker 1: myself to finish the sentence, I know the X name

1116
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: is a true prophet. I could not get myself to

1117
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: finish the sentence. And I'm twelve and I and I

1118
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: took note, and I was like Okay, we'll remember that

1119
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 1: for the future. Wow, you're a little remember that.

1120
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 3: Little the future you was. It's like almost like a

1121
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: that is so cool.

1122
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I still believe in him. Like I was like,

1123
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't mean anything, probably doesn't mean anything. I

1124
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: probably just like don't have enough faith, you know what

1125
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: I mean?

1126
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 3: Right, But that's how that's the guest.

1127
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, you didn't have enough faith.

1128
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: If only you gave yourself a little bit harder, if

1129
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 3: only you were nicer, if only you right right.

1130
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, god, oh god, trust yourself.

1131
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 5: Felt she did she hit you up for any more money?

1132
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 3: No, It's really funny too, as I think she knew

1133
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 3: I could see through her, Yeah, because she was like

1134
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 3: really like she became like really friendly with me, and

1135
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: like was always like really sucking up to me.

1136
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 4: And I was just.

1137
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: Like like how where like, oh you mean on the retreat.

1138
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 3: Because I really could I could see.

1139
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, here's the weird thing.

1140
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 3: I thought there's something wrong with me for how I

1141
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 3: was judging her.

1142
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, but I just just like the Emperor wears

1143
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 2: no clothes, right.

1144
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 3: It's exactly it. And it's just like you know what,

1145
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 3: just if you think something's bullshit, you're not wrong. I

1146
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 3: don't know what else to say. I don't know what

1147
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 3: else to say. Yea, even even if it's just for

1148
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: your reality, just be like, I don't buy that. Just don't.

1149
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 4: You don't have to like I don't know, I don't know.

1150
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: I mean I think like, Yeah, it's a fine line

1151
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: between being open minded and not being judgmental people and

1152
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: like looking out for bullshitters. Yeah, yeah, I think you

1153
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: can like have empathy for people and be open to

1154
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: the idea that maybe their intentions are good, but still like,

1155
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: look at the evidence, look at like what's right?

1156
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: Stop stop writing away all the things that are happening. Right,

1157
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 3: make the person a good person?

1158
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 7: Right?

1159
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 3: Or make them trustworthy?

1160
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 1: Right?

1161
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: Well, here's the question, the one million dollar question for me.

1162
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: Have we ever found the Noel she thought you were? Wait?

1163
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 3: What do you mean?

1164
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 5: What do you like? Like the girl with the Teddy

1165
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 5: and the firefighter?

1166
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so true. Well I remembered enough

1167
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 3: of specific the specifics. Oh my god, I should look

1168
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: up noeh WEL's and look up Teddy. There was a

1169
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 3: I don't remember the other name. The only reason why

1170
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 3: I remember Teddy is because I thought it was so

1171
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 3: dumb that she said even in the moment, she's like

1172
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 3: teddy and he was like a Teddy bear.

1173
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 4: And I was like, well, anyone could get there.

1174
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, we gotta find her. That's good.

1175
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah we should tell her.

1176
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know. And it's also very funny

1177
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 3: that she started with me. There's something very funny that

1178
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 3: she started with me because I think she knew that

1179
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 3: I didn't believe her.

1180
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 1: As like a skeptical energy happening.

1181
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 3: That's why she was like, you're gonna have so much fun,

1182
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 3: So she starts with me. Just really you know, if anything,

1183
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: I was her troll. You know how I have like

1184
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: a troll. I feel like I have like an energy

1185
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 3: that fugs me. I kind of was that person for her.

1186
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 3: I think I'm a treat.

1187
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 2: You know.

1188
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 3: She tried to trick me.

1189
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: And then I saw with the with that woman, Tiel Swan.

1190
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: I went to one of her workshops, and she would

1191
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: like not be satisfied until the person on the stage

1192
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: was like, yes, absolutely, that's great. You know, it would

1193
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: just keep going until like they need that validation, and

1194
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: she like wanted that validation from you so badly.

1195
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 3: So cute. Wait, this has actually been the theme of

1196
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 3: this week is recognizing when I think I'm disempowered in

1197
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 3: situations that I might actually be the one that's in power.

1198
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 3: Or I'm like these people have these men have power

1199
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 3: for me, and I'm like, actually, you're the one has power.

1200
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 3: Why would anybody be trying to bullshit you if they

1201
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 3: thought that you couldn't hurt them?

1202
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 2: And so, I don't know, probably safer for you to

1203
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 2: I feel like some people have power over you than

1204
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: realizing like you have all the power.

1205
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 4: That's exactly because having power is a lot.

1206
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 5: Of a lot of you're not used to it, I know.

1207
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that where I'm like, you're right. She wanted

1208
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 3: my you're right, isn't that that's so cute? She wanted

1209
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 3: my validation, which is then where it gets a little scary.

1210
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: So I'll say these couple of things that.

1211
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 4: Happened to me over the past year, including the psychic.

1212
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 3: It kind of feels like a shattering of innocence a

1213
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: little bit, because I really did try, Like I don't

1214
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 3: want to think that people are bad people. It's really

1215
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 3: not my point of view. It's like it's just, you know,

1216
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 3: I just want people to operate from integrity, and I

1217
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 3: get to trust people. But now I recognize I can't

1218
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 3: do that because I'm going to keep getting hurt, and

1219
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 3: I'm tired of getting hurt, right, Like, but to graduate

1220
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 3: from keep getting hurt, you can't.

1221
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 4: You can no longer be a naive innocent.

1222
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 3: So then I now see things in a more shrewd way,

1223
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 3: where then I get paranoid. I'm like, oh my god,

1224
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 3: I know how it works. Now, I'm like, oh, I

1225
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 3: see how power works. See that this person thinks I'm

1226
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 3: more powerful. If I was a bad person, I could

1227
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 3: do Like it's like you have to be you have

1228
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 3: to be gentle with people, or like, yeah, it becomes

1229
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 3: a responsibility. And now that I know how someone could

1230
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 3: use it to control or hurt somebody, it's like I

1231
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 3: don't want to know that because then what if you know,

1232
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 3: You're like, could I do that?

1233
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 4: I get very paranoid of that that stuff.

1234
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, And it's a real thing to have

1235
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: to consider too, being in the entertainment industry and being,

1236
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, someone who's had successes, Like people do look

1237
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: up to you and will continue to look up to

1238
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: you as you grow in your career, and like, I

1239
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: think we feel so small and like we don't know

1240
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: what we're doing, and we don't realize that people we

1241
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: might actually have power over others.

1242
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 3: You're right, you need to graduate to understand now, because

1243
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 3: I've still been operating from a place of powerlessness, thinking

1244
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 3: that I'm the one at a disadvantage. I was talking

1245
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 3: to some friends and telling them a story yesterday and

1246
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 3: they're like, it sounds like in both of these situations,

1247
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 3: you were the person in the power position, but you

1248
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 3: didn't recognize it.

1249
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, this.

1250
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 3: Is so complicated. Yeah, human dynamics are so weird because

1251
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 3: I also don't want power over people.

1252
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 4: I want to be influential, but I don't. I don't.

1253
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 4: I'm not a person that's seeking well.

1254
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: It's it's complicated how much people want to give it

1255
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 2: to you. And that's what we explore a lot on

1256
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 2: this podcast, is like, why are not narcissists so persuasive

1257
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: and why are people so willing to be like you know,

1258
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 2: all the answers are like you here, here, here, because

1259
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: nobody in the right mind wants power over people.

1260
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 3: I mean.

1261
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: Really, I mean a lot of people do, not in

1262
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: the right mind, but right mind because well, sociopath I

1263
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: mean people who are you know who there's their brain

1264
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: function is different. Yeah, it's atypical, but there are a

1265
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: lot of them.

1266
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 5: Totally.

1267
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah you you you had a degree of power. But

1268
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: I just want to say, like the parents whose child

1269
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: died in that situation do not like she has power.

1270
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: She's these are vulnerable fucking people who are not.

1271
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 3: Most people there. Everybody she was chailing for. She was

1272
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 3: channeling everybody's dead loved one because she was looking at

1273
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 3: their obituaries. So these are people's vulnerabilities. These are people

1274
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 3: that they loved, that they miss, that they want nothing

1275
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 3: more to believe that they are still looking over them,

1276
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 3: that they still exist, that they're still talking. Yeah, I

1277
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 3: it's fortunately the perspective of the woman who told me,

1278
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 3: she was just like yeah, it's disgusting, but she had

1279
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 3: a she's like a pretty good sense of humor about it.

1280
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 3: She just like talks about how she was like she

1281
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 3: when she kissed me on my when she kissed me,

1282
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: I was like so disturbed, So she knew too, like

1283
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 3: she The one cool thing is that we did become friends.

1284
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 4: Like you're saying, it was meant.

1285
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 3: To be, not meant to be, Maybe would have always

1286
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 3: ended up being friends, but we're like, we talk like

1287
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 3: we're we both have like a dark.

1288
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 4: Sense of humor.

1289
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: But also because you meet somebody there, you're there because

1290
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 3: you're in a dark experience. Now you found somebody who's

1291
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 3: just like damn, like the world's fucking crazy. But how

1292
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, I really like the story. I

1293
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 3: like that it happened. I like it.

1294
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a great story.

1295
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 3: I like it. I like it. I like her even

1296
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 3: sometimes now that I'm thinking of it, I'm like so

1297
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 3: far away from it, or I'm like, that's so cute.

1298
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like it has been helpful for

1299
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: you and sort of like launching you into a new

1300
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: phase of your life that maybe you needed to grow into.

1301
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, where I now know how to puppet people around me.

1302
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 4: It's hard enough for.

1303
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 3: Me to like, like, I believe in my worth and

1304
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 3: I believe in how much I'm supposed to be getting

1305
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 3: paid and stuff. But even the idea of being like

1306
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 3: tricking people into giving you money. You know what, if

1307
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 3: I think about money like energy, that is your level

1308
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 3: of power. So you have to guard your current.

1309
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 4: Your currency, currency is a current. I think these are

1310
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 4: real things.

1311
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, yeah, currency is a current,

1312
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 3: it's an energetic current. I was throwing my power away

1313
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 3: to try and get answers from somebody.

1314
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: When they were in me they were a Sedona adventure

1315
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: and pay hundred dollars. Why doesn't you can.

1316
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Speaker 1: Addendum? So here we are again, welcome back Noel, because

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01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: thank you, we're going to get an update from you

1318
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: on what happened with this situation, because there has been

1319
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: an update. So there's been an update.

1320
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Speaker 3: Full disclosure. I have heard my what I said previously,

1321
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 3: and I just want to apologize for how many times

1322
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 3: I said like I'm working on. Second of all, I

1323
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 3: think I talked a lot about how, you know, how

1324
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 3: it was interpreting the experience very positively, like even though

1325
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 3: all this happened to me, I met a new you know,

1326
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 3: I met a new woman. You know, she's my friend.

1327
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 3: And the way that I was interpreting things was that

1328
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 3: this this money will always come back to me, or

1329
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 3: that I paid for a lesson was sort of the vibe,

1330
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 3: which is kind of a passive way of thinking about it.

1331
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 3: And I think even when we had that interview, it

1332
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 3: was before the pandemic, in the lockdown, and I was

1333
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 3: still sort of struggling and hurting from other things that

1334
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 3: had happened to me. So I had a lot of

1335
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 3: time to like think about how I ended up in

1336
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 3: that situation, and I came to the bottom of it.

1337
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 3: It was like me disempowering myself and not trusting that

1338
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 3: I have power to make things happen. And so I

1339
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 3: got angry, which I think people when women are angry,

1340
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 3: people like try to stop them from being angry. But anger,

1341
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 3: as my therapist says, is a way for you to

1342
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 3: go into action, which is great. So I got very

1343
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 3: angry about all these things that have happened. And instead

1344
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 3: of being like, maybe the universe will you know paying

1345
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 3: me back, I was like, fuck that, I'm going to

1346
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 3: get my money back, and I'm going to do it

1347
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 3: with the truth, and I'm just going to and I'm

1348
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 3: going to say what I want and I'm just going

1349
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 3: to give this person an ultimatum. And so I sent

1350
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 3: an email to the psychic. Should I pull it up?

1351
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 5: Oh my god, yes, yes, read.

1352
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 3: What I wrote. So I decided because I was like,

1353
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 3: I actually know what the truth is. I'm tired of conman. Conman.

1354
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 3: You know. I found that if you're very truthful. Those

1355
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 3: kinds of people like either flip out or or just

1356
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 3: give you what you like. Weirdly, the truth settles some

1357
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 3: kind of score. Here's what he decided. I was like,

1358
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 3: I'm a businesswoman. I know that this happened. I know

1359
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 3: I was wrong, and I'm just going to treat this

1360
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 3: like a business and I'm going to tell her exactly

1361
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 3: what happened it, tell her exactly what I know, and

1362
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 3: I'm just going to say I'm asking for this exact

1363
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 3: amount of money back. You can either give me my

1364
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 3: money back an integrity, or you don't. But I know

1365
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 3: what the truth is, and that was the way I

1366
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 3: approached it. So I just was like, hey, person, it's

1367
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,439
Speaker 3: Noel Well's. And I've been using my name lately as

1368
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 3: a power move because I think like I'm standing behind

1369
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 3: my name, like if I say it's my name, I'm

1370
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 3: operating an integrity. So I'm trying to give my name

1371
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 3: like this power. So Hey, it's Noahl Well's. That's my

1372
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 3: full name. Hey, it's been a little bit since this retreat,

1373
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 3: and I wanted to say I had a lot of

1374
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 3: clarity since then. After I follow up reading in January,

1375
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 3: which I didn't tell you guys. But she I also

1376
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 3: did this follow up reading with her, and it was

1377
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 3: such bullshit and it was part of it was just

1378
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 3: so bad. It was crazy because it was the most

1379
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 3: expensive psychic reading I've ever had, and she had like

1380
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 3: really convinced me that she was going to be able

1381
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 3: to give me more insights from the retreat, and she

1382
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 3: was late to the reading and it was just a

1383
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 3: lot of bullshit about how I needed to date a

1384
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 3: man who could, like, you know, because I was so

1385
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 3: such a go getter, I needed a man that was

1386
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 3: more grounded, like maybe a fisherman. Like it was like

1387
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 3: just bullshit. It was. It was very strange, but I

1388
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 3: could almost see how like that. I was like, maybe

1389
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 3: that's true, Like maybe I need an outdoorsman to ground

1390
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: me this like coohy musician, actress like whatever, even though

1391
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 3: that's not what I want. I mean, who knows. If

1392
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 3: I fell in love with the fisherman that would be

1393
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 3: very romantic. But anyway, but it was it just felt

1394
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 3: like a lot of bullshit, and you know, she was

1395
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 3: just saying a lot of confusing things and and I

1396
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 3: think that that's it. This is what I've come down

1397
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 3: to you when I am confused by somebody there there's

1398
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 3: something wrong, like they're either confused themselves or they're bullshitting.

1399
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 3: And I just this is just now the new reality.

1400
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 3: If you are speaking in truth, I can understand you.

1401
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 3: And if I can't follow what you're saying, I think

1402
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 3: it's not true. Wow, And that's the new reality. So

1403
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe even like even with Biden talking

1404
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 3: on television, I was like, I can hear this, whereas

1405
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 3: if you watch Trump, you just get like you feel

1406
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 3: like you want to claw your body. You're just like,

1407
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 3: what's happening is nothing makes sense.

1408
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: I feel like that's that's so probably, that's so good

1409
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: for me to hear, And I feel like it'll be

1410
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: so good for a lot of women in particular to hear,

1411
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: because I know for me, my instinct is like if

1412
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm confused, I'm not getting it. If I'm confused, it's

1413
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: a me thing. But I'm a smart right.

1414
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 3: You put it on you? Yeah?

1415
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, unless.

1416
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: It's quantum physics, we should be able to understand what

1417
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: you're talking about, you know.

1418
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: Yes, and true intelligence can can be communicated in a

1419
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,919
Speaker 1: way that is simple. If it cannot be distilled into

1420
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: something simple, then.

1421
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 3: You're probably being bullshitted probably, or somebody is just like

1422
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 3: leaning way too hard and some you know, some cerebral

1423
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 3: place in their brain that isn't connecting with you as

1424
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 3: a human being.

1425
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 4: But anyway, so that's my new thing. It's like, I

1426
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 4: actually if.

1427
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 3: I'm confused by you or I don't really understand where

1428
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 3: you're coming from, something's not clear with what you're communicating,

1429
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 3: and that's now my new red flag. Anyways, So so

1430
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 3: I sent her this email and I said I wanted

1431
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 3: to say I had a lot of clarity. After a

1432
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 3: follow up reading, I felt very confused. This is what

1433
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 3: I wrote by it because you did it seem quite present.

1434
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 3: Then nine months later I talked to a few other

1435
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 3: people from the retreat and they said they figured out

1436
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 3: that you had searched obituaries online and use that info

1437
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 3: to make it sound like you were contacting our family members.

1438
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,479
Speaker 3: I didn't want to believe it, but then I found

1439
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 3: the obituaries you must have referenced in our recording with

1440
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 3: the exact facts, and the reality was undeniable. To make

1441
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 3: this right, I am kindly requesting a refund for the

1442
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 3: retreat and the follow up reading this was, and then

1443
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 3: I just did the math. It was this plus this

1444
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 3: equals this total. You can send it to. And I

1445
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 3: gave my email my email which is my PayPal or

1446
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 3: if it's better for you, can send a money order

1447
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 3: to my address. Also, please find attached a snippet from

1448
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 3: the notes you sent me after our reading, and I

1449
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 3: quoted her back to herself and I said, I think

1450
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 3: you'll find this to be relevant to our current situation,

1451
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 3: and I hope we both can do and then I

1452
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 3: quoted could do what we can to make it better,

1453
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 3: which is a chance to learn. Thank you.

1454
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: Oh so God.

1455
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1456
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 3: I had talked to her in the reading about how

1457
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 3: I kept getting taken advantage of by people, and so

1458
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 3: she used that in the reading, and so I threw

1459
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 3: it back at her because she did the thing I

1460
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 3: was going to her to keep from happening to me.

1461
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 3: So then I send that email, and I'm talking to

1462
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 3: this woman who I've been talking to whose daughter had died,

1463
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 3: and I told her I was going to do this.

1464
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 3: Within two minutes of me sending this email, she calls

1465
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 3: them WHOA and her husband answers and she was just like,

1466
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 3: I wanted to see how you guys are I wanted

1467
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 3: to see if you talk to anybody from the retreats.

1468
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 3: She's like, I just want you to know that I've

1469
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 3: been spending a lot of time with people in hospice

1470
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 3: and I don't know, have you ever been around people

1471
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 3: that have died before? Trying to like basically make herself

1472
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 3: sound like a good person, and he was almost called,

1473
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 3: being like, yeah, my daughter. And so then from what

1474
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 3: I hear, she starts calling all these people from the

1475
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 3: retreat trying to figure out who I talk to? WHOA.

1476
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 3: Then she starts then she starts calling me and I

1477
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 3: just respond back and I was like, I do not

1478
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 3: want to speak to you. You can either refund me

1479
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 3: my money or not, but that is your decision. And

1480
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 3: she wrote me. Then she wrote me this, and I

1481
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 3: was like, but I don't want to talk to you ever. Again.

1482
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I would like a refund. Then she

1483
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 3: wrote me one of the longest emails I've ever gotten

1484
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 3: from somebody. I mean, and I've sent crazy emails before,

1485
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 3: so you know, I know what it's like to send

1486
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 3: a crazy email. This was like truly insane because she's

1487
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 3: also a liar, right, Like, so she sends me this

1488
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 3: crazy email thing like as a psychic, nobody believes her,

1489
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 3: and that it's happened so much, and she's like quoting

1490
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 3: all these things, and then she says, but I do

1491
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 3: have a policy that if somebody's not satisfied, I'll give

1492
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 3: them their money back.

1493
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 1: Oh.

1494
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 3: And then she also said, in this timing feels so

1495
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 3: right because I'm making some a career transition, and I

1496
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 3: was like, so I just responded, thank you, I'm so

1497
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 3: glad the timing feels right. And I was like, I

1498
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 3: have a long history of discounting my own intuition and

1499
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 3: having other people discount me, So I understand that this

1500
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 3: could be hurtful. Because she said I was hurting her feelings.

1501
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,799
Speaker 3: I was like, I understand that this could be hurtful

1502
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 3: if you are operating and honesty and integrity. But I said,

1503
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 3: in my situation, you gave me a totally false reading,

1504
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 3: and then the next day gave me a reading with

1505
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 3: only specifics that came from an obituary and an article

1506
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 3: I found on the internet. I listened to the tape

1507
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 3: a couple of times to see if there was something

1508
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 3: bigger there outside of those facts, and there weren't. The

1509
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 3: follow up appointment was non specific, and I don't have

1510
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 3: the cur I didn't have the courage to ask for

1511
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 3: a refund at the time. I am honoring my timing

1512
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 3: and I'm asking for a refund. Now PayPal works. And

1513
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 3: then she wrote another crazy email and then she sent

1514
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 3: me the money. Here's the thing. She was then sending

1515
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 3: emails also to this woman simultaneously that were all so insane,

1516
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 3: and they and they were like, should we ask for

1517
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 3: our money back? I said yes, but you need to

1518
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 3: wait one week. I was like, she gave me my money,

1519
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 3: you gotta wait one week or else she's gonna like

1520
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 3: freak out and just like disappear. I was like, I

1521
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 3: think she'll give it back to you. So they waited

1522
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 3: one week and then they were like, hey, you contacted us.

1523
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 3: We thought that that was very strange. Not I mean, here,

1524
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 3: I'm blowing up what happened. But she said it's fine.

1525
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 3: We thought it was weird that you called us, but

1526
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 3: since you called us, we want We were really dissatisfied

1527
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 3: with our you know, our retreat, and we were like,

1528
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 3: our money back, and then she sent them a money order.

1529
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 7: Oh my god, amazingly, I think she's just like trying

1530
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 7: she hopes that by sending you the money back, you

1531
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 7: won't spread the word that she's a fraud.

1532
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 5: Is that yeah?

1533
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I think yeah, because from what I

1534
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 3: understood she she had a she had a retreat happening

1535
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 3: that weekend, right, and so she's probably just paying me

1536
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 3: back with the money she just got right from somebody

1537
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 3: going on the retreat. And you know, and she was

1538
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 3: calling people asking who had talked to who, like two

1539
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 3: minutes within the email. Wow. Yeah, so fascinating bitch. So yeah,

1540
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:53,440
Speaker 3: I got my money.

1541
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: Back, congratulations.

1542
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 3: And I wanted to buy did I wanted to buy

1543
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 3: a piano, but instead I just paid my bills.

1544
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 5: Oh man, do you feel like the journey's done?

1545
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 2: Or do you feel like, kind of should I keep

1546
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 2: blowing up her spot to make it so it doesn't

1547
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 2: happen to other people?

1548
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 3: Like?

1549
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 5: What is what is the journey?

1550
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 3: It's done for me? Yeah, And in other violating situations

1551
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 3: that I've had, I often find this is just my

1552
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 3: personal power as a human and I'm just going to

1553
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 3: stand by it that if I call somebody out for

1554
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,719
Speaker 3: doing something that's out of integrity and they don't change,

1555
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 3: they like like in clockwork, like two to three years

1556
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 3: later they're done, Like they either get publicly called out

1557
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 3: or it catches up to them. But I don't believe

1558
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 3: it's my job too. I think it's more powerful to

1559
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 3: speak up in a moment rather than like taking on

1560
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 3: a campaign to out people. I will tell people, like

1561
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 3: if anybody asks me about it, like what her name is,

1562
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 3: and just steer clear. But you know, I'm not God

1563
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 3: in this situation.

1564
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 2: Oh it feels so good when that house of cards

1565
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 2: find does collapse to I had that happen, and I just,

1566
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 2: you know, I could really masturbate to it, to be honest,

1567
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 2: It's really.

1568
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 3: It is a horny sort of thing.

1569
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, what's your what's your final conclusion? How do

1570
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 1: you feel now?

1571
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 3: I think the bigger the biggest conclusion is the truth

1572
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 3: and how that is not my new barometer if I

1573
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 3: find you confusing. The lack of clarity is something that

1574
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 3: it's not my job to try to project my own

1575
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 3: clarity and my own wisdom. You know. It's like I

1576
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 3: do all this work to understand people, and I'm like, oh,

1577
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 3: maybe it means this, maybe it means that, Whereas it's

1578
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 3: what if it means this person doesn't know what the

1579
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 3: hell they're talking about, right, maybe this person isn't ready

1580
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 3: to do. This could even be applied to like work situations,

1581
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 3: like if I'm confused by you, they're not like in

1582
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 3: the a clear place to be operating with.

1583
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 1: That's such an important thing to remember, is that if

1584
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: you feel confusion, or if you feel discomfort, or you

1585
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 1: feel like something's off, like the person who's making you

1586
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: feel that way, it's probably the problem unless we're talking

1587
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: about like really healthy growth stuff, because it can be

1588
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: hard to know the difference sometimes, but generally I think

1589
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: trust your own body.

1590
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And for like say, like complicated conversations with friends

1591
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 3: that make you want to run and hide, there's more

1592
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 3: of a history of this person actually like wants the

1593
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 3: best for you, right, or they are safe versus a

1594
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 3: gut reaction you have with somebody, which I think we're trained,

1595
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 3: especially women from very young ages, to let other people

1596
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 3: violate our boundaries. It's like if you don't like someone,

1597
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 3: they're like, oh no, just give them a hug. It's

1598
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 3: your uncle, so and so. Give them a hug.

1599
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 4: Be a nice girl.

1600
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 3: Whereas when I look at my childhood and I see

1601
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 3: like my gut reactions to some of my relatives that

1602
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 3: they were accurate. I didn't want to be touched by

1603
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 3: that person. And we train kids out of what they

1604
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 3: know to be true, and I think it starts from childhood.

1605
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,799
Speaker 3: And I think every humans born with like a very

1606
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 3: very close connection to what their truth is, and then

1607
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 3: adults just talk them out of trusting that.

1608
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,919
Speaker 1: Well, good on you for learning how to trust yourself

1609
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: more and for taking your fucking money and power back.

1610
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, ultimately this is like a very

1611
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 3: it's like such a microcosm of how it works, and

1612
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 3: like I'm lucky in this situation. Like I listened back

1613
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 3: and I was like, so many bad thing, worse things

1614
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 3: happen to people, but she is taking people in griefs

1615
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 3: money and that's you know, no matter how how little

1616
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 3: money that is or how big money that is, it's

1617
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 3: like it's wrong. I wasn't interested in fighting with her either,

1618
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 3: I think, okay, that would be the last thing I'd

1619
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 3: say is I wasn't interested in entertaining her lies at all.

1620
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 3: I was like, either you give it back or we're

1621
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 3: just you. Just that was the email, and I think

1622
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 3: that that's like really powerful. You can just even do

1623
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 3: that with like a person that's you're fighting with, you know,

1624
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 3: just like this is the reality. I'm this is my reality.

1625
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 3: This is what happened you either this or this.

1626
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 1: If you won't communicate the way that that like is healthy,

1627
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 1: then we're not going to communicate.

1628
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 3: Yes, but uh anyway, so I'm starting a psychics service, and.

1629
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: Okay, this is great.

1630
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 5: This is great.

1631
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: Thank you so much Noel for coming on and telling

1632
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 1: us that's the worry.

1633
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 3: Thank you guys for having me. Noel.

1634
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 1: What's your social media handle?

1635
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 3: I'm on Instagram at Noel L's Twitter at real Tom

1636
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 3: Hanks with az Z. I am Noel L's dot com.

1637
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 4: I am Noel wells.

1638
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: Well. That was rewarding. That was a rewarding ending.

1639
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 5: Feels good.

1640
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,919
Speaker 1: What do you think, Megan? Would you join the psychic

1641
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: absolutely tell me more.

1642
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 2: If she would have been my girlfriend back then and

1643
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 2: was like, come on this retreat with me, I would

1644
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 2: have been like, I'm already packed waiting by the front door.

1645
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 5: Let go.

1646
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 2: I love psychics, I love retreats, and I love the

1647
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 2: thought of talking to dead people for a whole weekend.

1648
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 2: So it's all of my you know, favorite things and

1649
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 2: celebrities are there. That's fun. There's so many fun things

1650
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 2: that went into this little weekend.

1651
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: So, yes, I don't believe in psychics. I don't believe

1652
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: you can contact dead people. Nope, this is not the

1653
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: kind of group that I would join.

1654
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 5: Have we had any groups that you would join yet?

1655
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 1: Yes we have. I would join Nexium Yeah yeah, right,

1656
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: like any group that's about like ambition or like facing

1657
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: your shit, like that's the kind of group I would be.

1658
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, okay, But.

1659
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 1: When it comes to paranormals like supernatural stuff, like, I'm

1660
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: just not I just believe.

1661
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to sit in a circle playing

1662
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 2: a harp, just talking to the other side, even if

1663
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 2: it's fake.

1664
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I also want to play a harp, but

1665
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: that's separate from I'm the ghosts.

1666
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, thank you so much for listening this week.

1667
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 2: We can't wait to talk to you next week. But

1668
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 2: in the meantime, remember follow your gut, watch out for

1669
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 2: Red Blaggs, and never ever trust me My