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Speaker 3: Can Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 4: I need a party ready, Donnie said storage.

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Speaker 3: You know it's got like built in He's got a

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Speaker 3: little like a winel, you know, a little wine fridge.

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Speaker 5: Maybe, and you know, like just the whole thing, like

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Speaker 5: ready to party, both for beers to know.

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Speaker 6: And I'm thinking to myself, I can help him.

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Speaker 4: I take any of the top five quarterbacks over what

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Speaker 4: we've dealt with since Brady, and I'll scream if we

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Speaker 4: don't take Daniels, if May has gone at three, I'll

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Speaker 4: just stop talking. Then.

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Speaker 6: You know, Mike likes Jayden dammls. I like Jaydon Daniels too.

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Speaker 6: I'm with Mike, but doesn't mean that like you're wrong. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I don't know, and he's too nice to just say yeah,

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Speaker 6: I don't buy it sucks And.

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Speaker 4: He just doesn't like the squint.

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Speaker 6: It's squinting because Mike is not sold on Jaydon Daniel Paul.

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Speaker 4: You're doing is repeating what everyone else is saying, right right,

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Speaker 4: but you're doing it while you're eating a lemon and.

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Speaker 6: Right he's squinting. I understand why you would think that

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Speaker 6: he's not a good prospect, Evan, because you don't know,

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Speaker 6: like I know.

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Speaker 7: This is how people think.

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Speaker 4: I said, email said I went to Northeastern, and Paul

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Speaker 4: saying I don't care that he went to Northeastern. I

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Speaker 6: You know how I usually say I never said that.

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Speaker 6: I am quite sure sure that I said exactly.

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Speaker 4: So every ball that each team has, you know that

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Speaker 4: that big ball bag here, it's infamous.

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Speaker 4: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is to a

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Speaker 4: Thursday here at the stadium.

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Speaker 8: It's Tuesday. It's you know, if it was draped.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I need to go to sleep and then wake

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Speaker 4: up and start this whole day over. I swear to god,

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Speaker 4: I had this whole thing in my mind that it

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Speaker 4: was Thursday. We're a week away from the draft. What's

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Speaker 4: happening to me, Paul, I ask you? Because right with me? Right, okay,

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Speaker 4: it's Tuesday here at Jilt Stadium and we're a week

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Speaker 4: and two days away from the nine days Yeah, nine

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Speaker 4: days away.

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Speaker 7: He couldn't do that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's Tamara, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me,

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Speaker 4: it's Jewels in the Booth with Chris Ferrera backing her up,

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Speaker 4: and Marine is away at Disney on.

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Speaker 7: Disney Vacation, Disney World, Disney World.

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Speaker 9: I will say this week communing has been fabulous because

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Speaker 9: all the kiddos are on break.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 7: Great.

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Speaker 4: I didn't even think of that.

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Speaker 8: It's so great. I love it.

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Speaker 4: Easy sailing.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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Speaker 4: So obviously we've got to talk about this draft, and

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Speaker 4: I want to start right off the top because we

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Speaker 4: often reference Paul's shows, and yesterday was listening to one

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Speaker 4: of them and they were talking about something that Greg

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Speaker 4: Badard wrote, and he talked to you know, unnamed, but

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Speaker 4: a an old time NFL executive who's touched all aspects

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Speaker 9: I really hope that's not true. I mean, if you

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Speaker 9: we don't have a crystal ball to see how these

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Speaker 4: Because the average person, the layman like myself, looks at

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Speaker 7: So every year these quarterbacks are getting graded of off

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Speaker 7: And I guess that's kind of what I'm getting at

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I agree Freddie that we probably do overrate

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Speaker 4: But exactly, but it wasn't.

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Speaker 6: But it wasn't a talent issue because people thought that

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Speaker 4: But those things were identified and that's why he dropped.

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Speaker 6: Why didn't ident But they were wrong. I'm not done.

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Speaker 6: Like you think that a guy doesn't have any problems

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Speaker 7: But obviously he can play.

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Speaker 6: He has the ability to throw the ball at the

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Speaker 6: But he's no one's ever really given him a shot.

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Speaker 7: Trey Lance has never had a shot. Yeah, well Trey

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Speaker 6: Yeah, But like I think when he he hasn't proven

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Speaker 4: Just I just I just look at the guys who

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Speaker 4: one one. Trevor Lawrence. I mean, obviously he's having his

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Speaker 7: And I mean I think that's true for JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 7: I think Drake May and jayde and Daniels are worth

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Speaker 4: And that's where I want to get, you know, obviously,

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Speaker 4: but that's where I want to get to. Are these

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Speaker 7: So like, if you were to do a true big

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Speaker 7: then pretty much everybody has Jaden Daniels in Drake May

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Speaker 7: then those guys get propped up to two and three

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Speaker 4: I know everybody's got him up there, but is that correct?

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Speaker 6: But like, just to use the quarterbacks and you have

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Speaker 7: So like to keep going with Dan because the Beast

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Speaker 7: That's a player to me that gets overdrafted every single year.

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Speaker 6: That's the quarterback bump. If he goes in the top five,

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Speaker 6: And it goes back to Tamara's point when you brought

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Speaker 7: They took Drake May three.

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Speaker 7: So that's such a great point because you're evaluating the

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Speaker 6: So you just as Fred pointed out last week, you

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Speaker 6: at some point it's going to come out. But what

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Speaker 6: Is he constantly you know, throwing the ball forty five

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Speaker 9: Would love that, Paul, especially when you're looking at somebody

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 9: And they keep trading away their pieces and his team

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Speaker 6: You find out, you know that Frank Reich didn't want him.

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Speaker 6: You know, you think that's easy to play under a

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so I had that nailed it.

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Speaker 4: Maybe someone's listening can send me the exact quote from

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Speaker 6: I thought it was Charlie again.

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Speaker 4: It was a cautionary tale.

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Speaker 6: It well, it kind of sounds like it could have been.

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Speaker 7: It could have been he said GM. He was never

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it could have been.

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Speaker 7: I just don't know what the alternative is, you know,

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Speaker 7: I agreed that the likelihood is is that if five

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Speaker 7: and you're gonna be back in the draft two years

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Speaker 6: They can either take a guy and have them bust

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Speaker 7: I mean the Jets took Donald and Zach Wilson within

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I also think when you have two of those three

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Speaker 4: Yeah. How often, you know, do three of the top

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Speaker 7: It was it was three quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, usually you're drafting that high because you have that quarterback.

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Speaker 7: There's been a lot of I would say, like in threes,

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Speaker 6: Last year was three out of four, then two years

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Speaker 6: I don't know about four.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and that somebody said that this could

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Speaker 7: Well, the defensive players aren't as good though they're not.

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Speaker 4: No, Well, cornerback's pretty deep.

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Speaker 7: Cornerback's deep, but I wouldn't say that there's top end

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I like Verse, not that it matters because it's

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Speaker 4: Our first email handed one around. Our first emailer, Johnny

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Speaker 4: Uh So, my question, what would be the favorite draft pick,

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Speaker 7: Right? You know?

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Speaker 6: You know I would like more than that, but something

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Speaker 9: I'm going to be boring and say, Joe Alt, I

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Speaker 6: I kind of like Evan's thinking to like second round

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Speaker 7: The third round is tough because I think all those guys,

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Speaker 6: Georgia. He's the guy I like to but he's played, Yeah,

439
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,360
Speaker 6: that would be my worry about him.

440
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 7: He's got seven career starts, like eight hundred snaps in college.

441
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 7: He was injured last year and then he was behind

442
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 7: Broderick Jones before that. So you know that's tough with Georgia.

443
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 7: You have so many NFL players around you that to

444
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 7: crack the lineup can be difficult. But he's a guy

445
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 7: that I wonder if he could last at thirty four

446
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 7: because of those reasons. You know, he's got first round

447
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 7: tape all day, but teams might be scared off by

448
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 7: the injury last year, might be scared off by the

449
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 7: fact that they don't have a ton of film to

450
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 7: pull from yea to really see him. But if you

451
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 7: just turn on the tape, then he's a first round

452
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 7: grade one hundred.

453
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Speaker 6: The tackle wide receiver thing in the second round, I

454
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 6: think is hard. I don't really care as much about

455
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 6: playing immediately because I don't like, I'm not I'm not

456
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,360
Speaker 6: sure mayo, I don't have to worry about like what

457
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 6: my record is right away. But I but Evan makes

458
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Speaker 6: a good point about, like, if you think there's that

459
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Speaker 6: big of a difference between the caliber of player, that's

460
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Speaker 6: why point I listened to to. I'm just gonna call

461
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Speaker 6: him Dane from now on this morning. You know when

462
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 6: I was on my show Fred, it was actually my show. Yeah,

463
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 6: he did talk a lot about that sort of drop

464
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Speaker 6: off after like six or seven tackles, and that's what

465
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 6: you might get at the top of the second round.

466
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Speaker 6: And if it's that big of a difference, then it's

467
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Speaker 6: it's gonna be hard to say, ad Mitchell is not

468
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 6: substantially better than some tackle that's available with the eighth

469
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 6: tackle off the board or the seventh Taple's.

470
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Speaker 7: That's how I'm looking at it is that you got

471
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Speaker 7: to stick to the board, and I feel like at

472
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Speaker 7: thirty four, the tackle pick is more likely to be

473
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Speaker 7: a reach than the receiver pick. At that point, you know,

474
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 7: maybe a guy like Mims falls, maybe a guy like

475
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 7: Tyler Goeyiton from Oklahoma falls, just because of the way

476
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 7: the board breaks down. But assuming that the consensus top

477
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 7: five or six tackles are off the board, I have

478
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 7: to think that the fifth receiver off the board might

479
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 7: be better than like the seventh or eighth tackle off the board.

480
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Speaker 7: So I don't think the order of operations matters all

481
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 7: that much. I just want to take the best player

482
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 7: available at thirty.

483
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 4: So someone who might be a receiver who might be

484
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 4: available like in the third round. Yeah, what do you

485
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 4: think of Johnny Wilson from Florida?

486
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 7: Interesting player. I don't know him. So Johnny Wilson is

487
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,959
Speaker 7: like six six, three hundred and thirty pounds or two

488
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 7: hundred and thirty pounds three hundred to be crazy, two

489
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 7: hundred and thirty pounds. Quite a receiver, two hundred and

490
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 7: thirty pounds, built like a tight end, but moves like

491
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Speaker 7: a receiver.

492
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Speaker 6: It's kind of crazy. It's a weird It's the weirdest

493
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 6: player that I think in this in this receiver class

494
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 6: to project and understand, because he plays like a wide receiver,

495
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 6: but he's in the tight end's body like he's not

496
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 6: very consistent at the catch point.

497
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Speaker 7: He's not one of these. But he can move like

498
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 7: he can run routes at that size.

499
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: So he intrigues me a little bit.

500
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's a he's an interesting player. I just the

501
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 7: part that I think concerns me with him is I

502
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 7: think what Paul is kind of getting at is what

503
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 7: is he you know, what position does he actually play?

504
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 7: And where are we actually going to find a way

505
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 7: for him to be a high volume guy. But as

506
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 7: an athlete, he's just super different that he moves that

507
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 7: well at that size but doesn't like really play to

508
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 7: that size, like it doesn't play like a big receiver,

509
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 7: but he moves like a small receiver.

510
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, bizarre, that's interesting. Some people have him at six seven.

511
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 7: You interested in lunch?

512
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we gotta get lunch.

513
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 9: Ok.

514
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just got the message from Juweles.

515
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 4: Oh oh so yeah, what are you gonna get Italian?

516
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 4: You're gonna get an Italian. Yeah, I got a small

517
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 4: PEP make it easy, all right. Web radio at patries

518
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 4: dot com is the email address. We get a lot

519
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 4: of people emailing. Uh, we still don't have a phone system. Yeah,

520
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 4: marine's not here. And then he just sent me an email.

521
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 4: We need even more equipment to make it happen. So boy, Yeah,

522
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 4: this thing is getting more complicated by the day. Jason

523
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 4: writes in We're obviously getting a lot of emails about

524
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 4: the quarterback, and that's fine. Like I said, we're nine

525
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 4: days away from this. What be an historic pick for

526
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 4: the New England Patriots, Jason says Jade and Daniels completed

527
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 4: seventy three percent of his throws in college versus Drake

528
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 4: May sixty three percent. Jaden threw sixteen more TD passes

529
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 4: in May. Yes, Jaden had better talent to throw to,

530
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 4: but he's also competing against much tougher competition. May throw

531
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 4: nine interceptions Daniels through four. May rush for four hundred

532
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 4: forty nine yards. Daniels rush for one and thirty four.

533
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 4: I understand the hype for Drake May. He's tall. Josh

534
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 4: Allen like has years to grow and learn, and supposedly

535
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 4: has a cannon for an arm, but something just doesn't

536
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 4: click for me with him as a Patriots fan. Helped

537
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 4: me get excited about Drake may as he will probably

538
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 4: be our third pick in the first round. I can't

539
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 4: do it on my own. Go easy on me, Evan

540
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 4: and Paul.

541
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Speaker 7: Would I would just say that that's a lot of

542
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 7: box score scouting.

543
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was gonna say.

544
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 7: I would go watch. I'm not asking you to go

545
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 7: do what I do and grind the tape and all

546
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,239
Speaker 7: that kind of stuff, but just go watch like some

547
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 7: YouTube highlights, like actually watch the guy play, because while

548
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 7: looking at the box score is not going to tell

549
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 7: you anything.

550
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 9: Yeah. I was going to say the same thing too,

551
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 9: and just say you have to actually look at their

552
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 9: system and how it translates to the NFL, because if

553
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 9: you're just looking at numbers, I mean, then a lot

554
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 9: more quarterbacks would be in the picture if all you're

555
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 9: looking at is just ats.

556
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 6: So I looked at Jayden Daniels a little bit. And

557
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 6: I'm not positive on the timelines on this, but his

558
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 6: best year by far at Arizona State was when Brandon

559
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 6: Ayuk was still there early on, and his best year

560
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 6: by far at LSU was when Malik Neighbors and Brian

561
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 6: Thomas were there. So I do wonder if this is

562
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 6: a guy who would look more like Drake May look

563
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 6: this year if he was playing with Drake May's cast

564
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 6: of supporting characters. Yeah, that's probably and that's just I mean,

565
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 6: that's a little bit of a it's a projection.

566
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 7: I don't know.

567
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 6: Daniels had by far the better year. I don't really

568
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 6: care about completion percentage quite honestly, it's to me the

569
00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 6: most meaningless stat in football. But you can watch a

570
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 6: guy and I would say that Drake May struggles with accuracy.

571
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 6: Like I don't think that that's unfair to say. So

572
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 6: no one's jumping on you. I think a lot of

573
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 6: people can look at all these guys and come up

574
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 6: with a guy that they like the best. I think

575
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 6: it's kind of in the eye of the beholder in

576
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 6: some of these cases. So if you like Jayden and

577
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 6: Daniels better, There's a guy that called in a couple

578
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 6: of months ago yelling at all of us about Jayden Daniels.

579
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 6: If you remember, yeah, the guy from Albany, Right, He's

580
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 6: been on Jaden Daniels for a long time.

581
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 7: There's there's nothing not to like about Jayden Daniels like Idaic. Yeah,

582
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 7: some of the passing profile is not great in terms

583
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 7: of translation to the NFL, you know, passing up middle

584
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 7: of the field throws it probably being the biggest thing

585
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 7: his His profile matches a lot of the same things

586
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 7: that Justin Fields was coming out of Ohio State, which

587
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 7: I think is probably my biggest concern. You know, takes

588
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 7: a lot of sacks, holds the ball a lot, passes

589
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 7: up throws that are open NFL open type, throws over

590
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 7: the middle of the field. Like, those are the concerns

591
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 7: that you have. But his tape is electric. I mean

592
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 7: he watched the high the highlights, you watch whatever you

593
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 7: want to watch, go watch them play against Florida. I

594
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 7: think he had like six hundred total yards of offense.

595
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 7: Like he just guy can't be stopped. He's unstoppable.

596
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 9: It'd be so fun too if we were able to

597
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 9: draft one of his wide receivers and kind of get.

598
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 7: Like a yeah, I mean that I don't.

599
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 8: Joe Burrow and Chase situation.

600
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 7: How you never know neighbors. I think is gone by

601
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 7: six to the Giants. I think that's probably his floor

602
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 7: and Brian Thomas junior. I think is a top twenty guy.

603
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: Maybe he's lines.

604
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 4: Maybe. Joe writes in if the Patriots draft JJ McCarthy,

605
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 4: I want my money back for my season tickets there.

606
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 4: And it proves Wolf and the rest of the current

607
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 4: front office help Belichick screw up the draft for the

608
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 4: last five years.

609
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 7: I wouldn't go that far, but I understand.

610
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 9: I will also cry if they draft him.

611
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 4: Really you're anti.

612
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, not at three. Not at three.

613
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 9: Now, if we were like the eighteenth pick, maybe, but

614
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 9: not at three.

615
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 4: It's tough.

616
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 7: I think it's tough to look at him and put

617
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 7: him in the same tier as the other guys, which

618
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 7: has been where I've been at it since probably January

619
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 7: or February. With JJ McCarthy, it's just he's not He

620
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 7: doesn't have you know, the it's a projection that he's

621
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 7: going to be able to carry a team.

622
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 8: Yeah.

623
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 9: I think that had he not won the National Championship,

624
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 9: we would not be having this conversation right now. I

625
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 9: think he's a clean prospect, Like he doesn't make mistakes,

626
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 9: he's smart, you know, looks the part.

627
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 8: But like he's not dynamic.

628
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 9: He's not as exciting to watch as the other three.

629
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 4: The only thing I could say in rebuttal to that

630
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 4: is he wasn't asked to be dynamic. He didn't need

631
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 4: to be dynamic. He didn't need to put the team

632
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: on his shoulders very often and win the game. And

633
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: that's not his fault.

634
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 9: Is that Mac Jones' fault? What do you mean, Like

635
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 9: he wasn't ask to do that in college either.

636
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 4: Different offense, mac Jones different.

637
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 7: I would say mac Jones did it more than j

638
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 7: j Yeah, I.

639
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 4: Would say so too. I mean he threw downfield, he

640
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 4: had to really dynamic.

641
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 9: But he never faced anyone good. And like the SEC

642
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 9: wasn't the SEC when Mac was playing in it, like

643
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 9: they blew everybody out, whereas the SEC now like you

644
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 9: actually have to go through Georgia and LSU, like there's

645
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 9: actually conte.

646
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 4: Georgia was pretty good back then.

647
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 6: Now the SEC, but not the Big Ten. Like I

648
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 6: just don't think that McCarthy, I don't look at the

649
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 6: Big Ten is all that different than ACC. I said

650
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 6: this a couple of these two teams at the top.

651
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 6: I think that Ohio State and Michigan have sort of

652
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 6: progressed to the point where they can compete with anybody. YEP,

653
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 6: the rest of the conference kind of stinks. Penn State

654
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 6: is decent, but they can't beat Ohio State or Michigan, right,

655
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 6: And you know, maybe McCarthy is that guy. Maybe he's

656
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 6: going to be one of those guys that he's better

657
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 6: in the pros than he was in college because he's

658
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Speaker 6: allowed to do more and he never was allowed. That's

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Speaker 6: the way that Hardball wanted to play.

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Speaker 4: But we talk about you know, mostly these guys are

661
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Speaker 4: being talked about in the first round because they're all talented.

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Speaker 4: They all have talent. And Bill has talked about this

663
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Speaker 4: before Belichick. You know, you get to the draft and

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Speaker 4: all the guys have talent, right, you know, But it's

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Speaker 4: the intangils. Are they coachable? You know? How fast do

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Speaker 4: they process? You know? What's their attitude toward the game

667
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Speaker 4: of football? Do they love it? Is it really important

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Speaker 4: to them? And it seems that McCarthy really checks all

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Speaker 4: those boxes.

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't say he checks the processing box the rest

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Speaker 7: of them. I think the intangibles are definitely true.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I don't know, Like I read the

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Speaker 6: quote about him wanting guys that were interested in winning

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Speaker 6: and not chasing girls and partying. Okay, so that's an

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Speaker 6: intangibles box.

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Speaker 7: The rest of it.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how you can determine from here if

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Speaker 6: he's smart, if he like and all these things like

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Speaker 6: you can. I mean, certainly the teams will have more

680
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Speaker 6: intel on that because they're going to have meetings with them,

681
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Speaker 6: And Evan talked about some of the stuff about putting

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Speaker 6: plays on boards and then coming back the next day

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Speaker 6: and doing things like that. That's like that to me

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Speaker 6: is stuff that teams can know. But I don't like

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Speaker 6: I went on a rant about this last week. I

686
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Speaker 6: don't know how JJ McCarthy is emerged as quote unquote

687
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Speaker 6: the safe prospect.

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Speaker 7: I don't understand it.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 6: I don't know why his bust rate is any less

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Speaker 6: than Caleb Williams or anybody else.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if you get just gonna because people

693
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Speaker 4: look at what he did in college and they think

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Speaker 4: that's what he's gonna do in the pros, no more,

695
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Speaker 4: but then that more it's gonna be.

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Speaker 6: That would be a bust. Right, Like, if he plays

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Speaker 6: the way he did in college and is under center

698
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Speaker 6: all the time, he turns around, he hands the ball off, right,

699
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Speaker 6: he'll be a bust.

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Speaker 4: And the team's gonna stay. I mean, more is going

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Speaker 4: to be asked of him in the pros. There's no

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Speaker 4: doubt about it. Yeah, can he handle it?

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Speaker 7: I mean, I just think that's that's what it comes

704
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Speaker 7: down to, is can you imagine this guy consistently, not

705
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Speaker 7: like the one time Mac Jones beat Josh Allen, but

706
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Speaker 7: like consistently go toe to toe with Josh Allen where

707
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Speaker 7: you are in a thirty five to thirty game and

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Speaker 7: you actually have a chance to win the game at

709
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Speaker 7: the end of the day against that level of quarterback

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Speaker 7: and that level of offense. And I just think with

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Speaker 7: JJ like if he goes to Minnesota, I think he

712
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Speaker 7: has a really good chance of succeeding with Minnesota because

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Speaker 7: they can ask him to do what he did at Michigan.

714
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Speaker 7: We're just gonna ask you to get the ball to

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Speaker 7: Justin Jefferson and make some plays on third down.

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Speaker 4: I think with the advances in technology AI and VR

717
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Speaker 4: and all that, I think there's gonna be a way

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Speaker 4: within ten years to bring up to bring in a

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Speaker 4: quarterback prospect and actually put the goggles on them whatever

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Speaker 4: the tech is, and have them go through a game

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Speaker 4: and have to process a game in real time, against

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Speaker 4: real pressure.

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Speaker 7: They do have stuff like that already. I remember a

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Speaker 7: couple of years ago the Cardinals were it was a

725
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Speaker 7: big thing with the Cardinals. It's it's VR like it's

726
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Speaker 7: a VR headset and you wear it and you go

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Speaker 7: through it. But I just think the problem is that

728
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Speaker 7: there's no fear that you're gonna get a hit.

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Speaker 4: Well that's no. But they'll figure that out too.

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Speaker 7: Oh oh they actually hit them. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Is this like a like an offshoot of your Kicker competition?

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Speaker 7: I mean I love it.

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Speaker 6: From like fifteen years ago. I forget when Vinitari left

734
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Speaker 6: and we.

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Speaker 4: Drafted Carcels told him he had the gun to his head.

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Speaker 6: We were going to have no I think you wanted

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Speaker 6: to to his throat. Yeah, him and Martine Gramatica.

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Speaker 4: Yeah I like that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 6: And we have Oh we have your wife right, you know,

741
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Speaker 6: held hostage and if you miss this kick, she's dead.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Some way to really test their mental.

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Speaker 6: This is what I deal with. Yeah, you guys think

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Speaker 6: I'm just cranky.

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Speaker 4: This is what Listen. I'm going to invest a lot

746
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Speaker 4: in you. You know you're gonna be my the face

747
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Speaker 4: of our franchise. We have to make sure that you

748
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Speaker 4: can handle this.

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Speaker 7: That's why you watch the tape. Yeah, that's all you got.

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Speaker 4: But again, even the tape, it's who's the competition, what

751
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Speaker 4: was the situation? Blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess I don't know. I think you can

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Speaker 7: just I.

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Speaker 6: Mean, there's a reason why the first round hit rate

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Speaker 6: is much higher than the second round and the third round,

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Speaker 6: and like the better.

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Speaker 7: They get it right right a lot.

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Speaker 4: Back to the emails web radio at Patriots dot Com,

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Speaker 4: Christian writes in I just wanted to clear the air.

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Speaker 4: He says, Oh Paul mentioned last week some of us

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Speaker 4: had quieted down regarding not wanting May because it looks

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Speaker 4: like that's who the Patriots may draft. I'm still in

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Speaker 4: the camp of not wanting May, and we'll much rather

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Speaker 4: have Daniels or Penix trade down and get some extra

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Speaker 4: capital from the Vikings, Raiders, etc. If you're able to

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Speaker 4: possibly fill two holes and still get the quarterback, I'd

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Speaker 4: like I'd much rather do that than a guy who

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Speaker 4: I believe won't make it in the NFL. Also mis

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Speaker 4: my list, Mike. I respect your view. He's not here

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Speaker 4: on May, but have you watched Jayden play? You said

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Speaker 4: you don't want college football. I think that will help

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Speaker 4: you get more in on Jaden if you spent some

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Speaker 4: time watching the kid play.

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Speaker 6: Jeez, accusing Mike of not watching this is Those are

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Speaker 6: my favorites.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Like, I know who this is and he's been

792
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Speaker 7: on the same train about Drake May. The whole time,

793
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Speaker 7: which is fine, but Mike watches plenty of these guys don't.

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Speaker 7: Don't be taking shots at Mike.

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Speaker 6: And I like Jayden Daniels more than Mike does. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: I just like May more. I understand conventional than Yeah Daniels.

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Speaker 6: I understand all the reasons why Mike doesn't like Jayden Daniels.

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Speaker 6: I think that Mike is working. I grew up and

799
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Speaker 6: away liked his quarterbacks just sit back in the throw

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Speaker 6: the football.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, no, he was.

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Speaker 6: He's a little bit more old school.

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Speaker 7: I think he's a little bit worried about about him

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Speaker 7: being a high level passer, which I think is totally valid.

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Speaker 4: But if you're a guy who needs time, is it

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Speaker 4: better to be like a Drake May type player or

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Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels where Jayden and Daniels can always rely on

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Speaker 4: his legs to get him out of trouble.

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Speaker 6: So doesn't that hurt his development that he that he

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Speaker 6: does that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, But because he's not sitting in the pocket processing

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Speaker 6: and learning, he's i know, for a sign of trouble,

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Speaker 6: he's tucked tail.

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Speaker 9: This is giving me like flashbacks if when Lamar Jackson

816
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Speaker 9: was getting drafted and how everyone kind of doubted him

817
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Speaker 9: and like what he was going to be able to

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Speaker 9: do in the NFL because he did use his legs

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Speaker 9: so much.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they're very different players and stylistically, I would say,

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Speaker 7: but I agree that the impact they have on the

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Speaker 7: game is very similar because of their mobility. Like you're defensively,

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Speaker 7: I think the game plan, even though they run differently

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Speaker 7: and they throw differently and all that, it's not conceptually

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Speaker 7: it's not going to be very different. Like you're gonna

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Speaker 7: have to keep that guy in the pocket, You're gonna

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Speaker 7: have to have spies, You're gonna have to have you know,

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Speaker 7: zone coverages with all eyes on the quarterback. You're gonna

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Speaker 7: have to scheme up a way to stop a designed

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Speaker 7: quarterback or on game like those those runs are going

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Speaker 7: to be in the game plan every single week. If

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Speaker 7: you're the Patriots and you have Jayden Daniels, those things

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Speaker 7: are really attractive for any team. I think the biggest

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Speaker 7: thing with him that he just needs to work on

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Speaker 7: is you know, having that ability to process the middle

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Speaker 7: of the field and take those throws that are available

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Speaker 7: to him in those areas. And I would also say

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Speaker 7: he's not a off script thrower. He's not a guy

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Speaker 7: that's going to get outside the pocket with his legs

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Speaker 7: and keep his eyes downfield and make throws off platform.

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Speaker 7: I think that's the biggest difference to me between Lamar

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Speaker 7: and Jaden is Lamar is willing to take those throws

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Speaker 7: when he gets off I think. I think that's exactly

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Speaker 7: what he is. And I'll say, you know, I love

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Speaker 7: Lamar Jackson. He's one of my favorite players in the

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Speaker 7: league to watch.

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Speaker 6: But I'll tell you that I hear from a lot

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Speaker 6: of fans that to this day tell me how he's

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Speaker 6: not that good, he's overrated. He's he's a running back

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Speaker 6: playing quarterback. He's gonna win m vps, but you're not

851
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Speaker 6: ever gonna win anything with him. So there is still

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Speaker 6: like this element of people that they don't want their

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Speaker 6: quarterback to be a runner. They want him to be

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Speaker 6: a passer who can run like Mahomes.

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Speaker 7: I think Lamar and Jaden Daniels are different though, Like Lamar,

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Speaker 7: Lamar peppers the middle of the field like that's that's

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Speaker 7: where he lives, seems.

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Speaker 6: But think back to when Lamar came into the league

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Speaker 6: that first year, he was overmatched. He just made plays

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Speaker 6: with his.

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Speaker 4: Legs when he played the Patriots. That was first year

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Speaker 4: because they killed us that game.

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Speaker 6: Right, That wasn't his first year. That was the second

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Speaker 6: year when he won m v P. But when he

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Speaker 6: first came into the league, he they won some games

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Speaker 6: and they ended up making the playoffs because he relieved

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Speaker 6: Joe Flacco that year and took took the job for good.

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Speaker 6: But I remember he was completely overwhelmed by a very

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Speaker 6: bad San Diego Chargers defense in the first round of

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Speaker 6: the playoffs because he had no ability to beat you

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Speaker 6: from the pocket. He wanted to run all the time.

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Speaker 6: The Chargers, if you remember this you like to make

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Speaker 6: fun of me, used all those like defensive backs as linebackers,

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Speaker 6: Adrian Phillips, and they kept Lamar Jackson from running to

875
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Speaker 6: beat them, and they dominated that game. That same Chargers

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Speaker 6: defense tried to come to Foxborough the following week and

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Speaker 6: do the same thing and gave up forty one points

878
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 6: or something like that in the divisional round to the Patriots.

879
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 6: So I think there's a lot of people that I

880
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 6: love Lamar Jackson. I think he's dynamic. I think he

881
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 6: throws certainly well enough that you can win with him,

882
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 6: But he hasn't won big. He hasn't won in the

883
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 6: playoffs when it counts Now, I've taken a lot better

884
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 6: as a thrower, oh by leaps and bounds. And if

885
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 6: Jayden Daniels has that kind of a track, you're gonna

886
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 6: talk about him the same way because he can run.

887
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 7: Yeah. I think the biggest the advantage that Jayden Daniels

888
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 7: has is that he's a much more canically sound thrower

889
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 7: coming coming into the league. I agree, much smoother throwing delivery,

890
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 7: and much more efficient in the pocket with his feet.

891
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 7: Lamar Jackson had some true mechanical things that needed to

892
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 7: be work out, you know, footwork. You kind of had

893
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 7: like a shot put release coming out. It wasn't really

894
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 7: like a smooth, you know, typical release. Jandon Daniels looks

895
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 7: the part throwing the ball that you would think of

896
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 7: a prototypical quarterback.

897
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 4: Diana from New Hampshire getting excited about the draft. First

898
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 4: of all, so grateful for your insight and entertainment every

899
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 4: week as I look forward to watching you Tuesday and Thursday.

900
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 4: Do you think there's a possibility the Patriots could make

901
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 4: a trade during the draft for either Ayuk or Higgins.

902
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 4: What would be the cost of the trade, required to

903
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 4: get either of them. What do you think?

904
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 7: Probably the second round pick up?

905
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 4: So as erased all forty nine ers from his timeline,

906
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 4: Is that true? Yeah? I mean guys have done that.

907
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 7: He doesn't follow the forty nine ers anymore.

908
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay on like Instagram and stuff.

909
00:41:58,800 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 7: Very very hurt.

910
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's his hit feelings hurt.

911
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 7: Yeah.

912
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 4: See what would you give for Ayuk? Thirty four? You

913
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 4: wouldn't give a first round? No?

914
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 6: No, no, I mean no, because only because of the

915
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 6: situation they ran.

916
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, what I give first round? You might as

917
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 4: well take Marvin Harrison.

918
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 7: Well you're not very God, you're not giving three, Like

919
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 7: that's not even part of the conversation. I think thirty

920
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 7: four this year and then maybe a pick from next

921
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 7: year's draft on Day two or Day three, like a

922
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 7: third or fourth rounder from next year. Like maybe I

923
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 7: would do that and that would get it done. I mean,

924
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 7: I Youk's a great player and it would be a

925
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 7: great fit here, so I would. I would definitely entertain it.

926
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 7: But no, you're not you're not giving you can't as

927
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 7: the Patriots be giving up first round picks right now

928
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 7: for for guys like Ayuk.

929
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's justin Jefferson.

930
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 6: And you don't have a quarterback. Like if you had

931
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 6: a quarterback, then you can make a trade like that.

932
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 6: But I don't see how you can up your first

933
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 6: round pick and to acquire or this is like taking

934
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 6: Marvin Harrison at three right.

935
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 7: At more expensive and old.

936
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 4: What's the issue with him? He wants more money a you.

937
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's he's coming up on the contract. I think

938
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 7: he was a first round pick, so he probably has

939
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 7: the fifth year option. I think this is year four,

940
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 7: and then he has the fifth year option on top

941
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 7: of that. So he's not a true free agent yet

942
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 7: and you know, and for the next couple of years.

943
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 7: But he needs to be paid.

944
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 4: Any chance instead they pay him and get rid of

945
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 4: Deebo Samuel and we get him.

946
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 6: That could So let's we could talk about that a

947
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 6: little bit because that's one of my pet peeves is, Oh,

948
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 6: look at the free agent class is going to be

949
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 6: huge next year because all those guys, It's Jefferson, Chase,

950
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 6: Jalen Wattle, CD Lamb, there's.

951
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 4: A lot of by the way, he's pissed off.

952
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 6: Right, So there's a lot of big time receivers that

953
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 6: are going to be due money. Like you saw with

954
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 6: DeVante Smith. You know, cross one off the list. Then,

955
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 6: like the great players like that will generally get re signed.

956
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 6: And if they don't, if this turns out to be

957
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 6: a thing with Ayuk and he has to get dealt,

958
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 6: it's gonna cost you a lot. Yeah, Like when AJ

959
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 6: Brown went from Tennessee to Philly. It's a high pick

960
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 6: and a big money contract. Now a guy to keep

961
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 6: mind Now is aj Brown not this year because his

962
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 6: contract is very affordable. But after the twenty four season

963
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 6: there's an out for them. And you know, heading into

964
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 6: the twenty five season, his numbers is and when I

965
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 6: say numbers, his base salary skyrockets. So that's a guy

966
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 6: to keep him keep an eye on. Down the road.

967
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 4: Ryan and Connecticut. Here's a little game for the crew

968
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 4: to play involving only the realistic draft prospects in May Daniels, McCarthy,

969
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 4: and Pennix. If you could only pick one restaurant to

970
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 4: bring them to, which would it be? So you're in Boston,

971
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 4: let's assume that's separate, but you're going to bring them

972
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 4: all to the same restaurant in separate times. What would

973
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 4: the restaurant be that you'd want to host these guys.

974
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 7: At and you're in Boston, not Foxborough, be anywhere in

975
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 7: this area. Well, I just tell you know Foxborough, Like,

976
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 7: if you were here, it's Davio's.

977
00:44:59,320 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

978
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 6: But if you're in Boston, I would go to the

979
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 6: North End.

980
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, bring him to the North End.

981
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, yep, I would take them to Mother Annas in

982
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 7: the North End.

983
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 4: Okay, there you go. There's a straight answer.

984
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 7: But really, what.

985
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 4: These are weird questions? So that's one thing.

986
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 7: I think d they took drink made it gains Steaks,

987
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 7: which it could be Davio's still, so I don't know

988
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 7: what that necessarily means, but that's what Schrager said today.

989
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 4: Where do you think the Patriots took them? I don't

990
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 4: know where they took them. What is the green flag

991
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 4: drink and red flag drink for a prospect to order

992
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 4: at dinner?

993
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 8: Green flag water?

994
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 4: That's that's a green flag? Yeah, what's red flag? Like

995
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 4: a like a like a Long Island iced tea Long

996
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 4: Island ice double.

997
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you order and it seems like that's not

998
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 7: your first.

999
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 4: No Long Island iced tease, okay, knowing the next day

1000
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 4: is a workout. What is the green flag dinner and

1001
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 4: red flag dinner. So he's got to work out next day.

1002
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 6: So we're operating on the assumption he's working out. Yeah,

1003
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 6: you probably want to go a little lighter.

1004
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 8: Then, right, Maybe a salmon.

1005
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're in New England, you know little, you're open

1006
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 4: to new things. You should order fish, clam chowder, yeah,

1007
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 4: some type of seafood.

1008
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the guy that.

1009
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 6: I heard a story like within the last week, some

1010
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 6: someone was out on a draft visit like that and

1011
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 6: they got them and they took him out and they

1012
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 6: ordered a steak and he didn't order anything.

1013
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 7: That was a story. Yeah, who was Like who was

1014
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 7: the guy?

1015
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 6: Like he wouldn't say oh okay, so interesting. He had

1016
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 6: another meeting set up, right, Yeah, he was going on

1017
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 6: a bunch of other dinner was going right from that

1018
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 6: one to another one.

1019
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 7: So you don't want to spoilless episode.

1020
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 4: You ordered dinner at the last one that was before

1021
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 4: a pro day, all right, So May Daniels, McCarthy and

1022
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 4: panics give each a sign, each one a drink.

1023
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 7: Oh h.

1024
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 4: May is moonshine. I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.

1025
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 6: I don't know. Yeah, and I'm not I'm not poo

1026
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 6: pooling the silly question.

1027
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 4: I love wine McCarthy's milk.

1028
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 7: I just don't know.

1029
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 8: What Pennis wine because it's from Washington. Okay, he's older.

1030
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 7: Okay is Jaden Daniels So is a California So I

1031
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 7: would say, like, you know, like you know, Minnesota Gin

1032
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 7: and Tonic or something like that, like something you get

1033
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 7: at a club in l A.

1034
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 6: You know, May would just Miller Light, diet Miller.

1035
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 4: Okay, what is a running quarterback? Order something with caffeine?

1036
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 7: Red Bull?

1037
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 4: Red Bull? And if you were the prospect, what drink

1038
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 4: would you get?

1039
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 7: Life?

1040
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 4: Life?

1041
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 7: I feel like it is a little bit of a test,

1042
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 7: isn't it?

1043
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 6: Like you know, I would think everything you don't want.

1044
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 6: I would think of everything as a test.

1045
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 7: You don't want to order. I think a water is

1046
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 7: like trying too hard.

1047
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 4: No.

1048
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 7: I think a water is like they're gonna look at

1049
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 7: that and be like, you know, you can't even lose

1050
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 7: a little bit and have some fun, like you know.

1051
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 8: Then I would do wine wine safe.

1052
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 7: I think beer is the safest. You can't get mad

1053
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 7: at a dude for ordering a beer.

1054
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 8: You can't get mad at.

1055
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 7: No matter what you think of the guy, if he

1056
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 7: orders a beer like that's a dude's drink, Like, you're

1057
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 7: not gonna there's no judgment for ordering a beer.

1058
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 4: So if you were sitting with the Prospect and all

1059
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 4: of a sudden, you know, hey, Evan, you know, what

1060
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 4: do you want to drink? And he says, you know,

1061
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 4: let me see the wine list. I'm out, And he

1062
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 4: was like, you know, I'll have the two thousand and eight.

1063
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 7: It's sophisticated and I like wine, but I'm not I'm

1064
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 7: not trying to be a quarterback in the NFL.

1065
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 6: He knows, he knows, he knows wine. So that means

1066
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 6: he just doesn't know how to read defenses.

1067
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: No, it's just you out because of that, because like that,

1068
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 4: that's just maybe he has interests other than you know. No, no, no,

1069
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 4: you wouldn't like that.

1070
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 7: I want my quarterback to be like a dude's dude,

1071
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 7: like you know, I want him to you know, that's

1072
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 7: what I want.

1073
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 9: Like he's also coming from someone who's obsessed with Josh Allen.

1074
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 7: He wants some toughness, you know, you want some some

1075
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 7: some bravado. No, no, if he starts taking the wineless,

1076
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 7: I'll have a you know, a cabernet.

1077
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 4: So he says, No, I'll have a Jack Daniels and

1078
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 4: leave the bottle. That would impress you.

1079
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 10: Absolutely, we're talking. Just just give me their straight jack. Yeah, yes,

1080
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 10: I mean if you want an alcoholic is what you know?

1081
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 10: I just want a guy that can hold his own.

1082
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 10: Like you look, look at Tom Brady. There's all sorts

1083
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 10: of stories about how much, you know, how he could

1084
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 10: put him back, or how he could chug you know,

1085
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 10: beers and things like that.

1086
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, but did you the story about how he would

1087
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 6: mix Iteah?

1088
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 4: Exactly.

1089
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, because he was competing with three than thirty pound people.

1090
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 6: He's cheatings, he was cheating. Well, he had to little foreshadowing. Yeah,

1091
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 6: what he's not on the Patriots anymore, we can be

1092
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 6: on the Patriots.

1093
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's coming back. Alex and Inglewood.

1094
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 7: Can we touch on that too later?

1095
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 4: Maybe? Yeah?

1096
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 6: Would you want that?

1097
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 4: No, neither would I.

1098
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 6: Nothing against Brady either, but I just think like, let's

1099
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 6: do that. We're gonna do this, let's just do it.

1100
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 6: We've moved on rebuild. Yeah, yep, I touched on it.

1101
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 6: He was just kidding he wouldn't come back. I kind

1102
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 6: of think it was more of that too, But I'm

1103
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 6: I heard them talking on your station.

1104
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 4: Which station is my station?

1105
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 6: Your boy with Barthy in Serrill and they were like

1106
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 6: legitimately like breaking it down. I'm like, are you guys serious?

1107
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 4: Ten games? Why would you want Flora's ten games? Ten

1108
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 4: games they're gonna win. I've heard the oh big deal.

1109
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 7: You draft Drake May and then he sits behind Brady

1110
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 7: for a year and Brady, you know, tutors him and

1111
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 7: behind the scenes.

1112
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 4: And Brady's not interested in tutoring anybody.

1113
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 6: And Brady's not interested in playing for the Patriots. If

1114
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 6: you're using the third pick on a quarterback and not

1115
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 6: Marvin Harrison.

1116
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 7: I'm not disagreeing with it that that's the logical way.

1117
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 7: But I got asked that. I was on with the

1118
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 7: Newman Football Journal guys last night on their podcast Tony

1119
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 7: and and John, and how did you get.

1120
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 4: On that show? They asked me to come on, man,

1121
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 4: it's a tough, tough get. It's tough to get on

1122
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 4: that show.

1123
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 7: You're a bad person, they just asked me.

1124
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1125
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 6: They're so good.

1126
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 7: I know they work so hard.

1127
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 4: I know I know I know that I've known them

1128
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 4: a long time. The great guys.

1129
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 7: Kevin asked me the straight face if if Brady would

1130
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 7: come back, and if I would want him back, Like,

1131
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 7: it's an honest question that people have.

1132
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 6: I think people have entertained it. I was listening to

1133
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 6: Beatle and Phil Perry, and Beatle was making fun of

1134
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 6: Phil because you wouldn't entertain it last week evidently, And

1135
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 6: it's still like, it.

1136
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 7: Was kind of nice that he did say the Patriots though.

1137
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 4: That was nice.

1138
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, he threw that out there for everybody, Like it

1139
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 6: wasn't just you know, yeah, because the other guy was like.

1140
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 7: Raiders, Dolphins, you know, all the other teams. He's been rumored.

1141
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 6: Raiders, I think, yeah, and he put the Patriots on.

1142
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 4: I just don't it's the Raiders owner ownership think gone through.

1143
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 6: It's not resolved.

1144
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, mister Kraft, if you're listening, give him a piece

1145
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 4: of this team. Let him be part owner of this team.

1146
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 4: He should not be affiliated with any other team besides

1147
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 4: this team.

1148
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 6: So that's so I think part of the thing is,

1149
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 6: like they will, They're looking to give him a piece

1150
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 6: of the team for a fraction of what I know.

1151
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 4: And that's why, no, no, make it fair. It's got

1152
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 4: to be make it of value, you know.

1153
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 6: But I don't think that Tom is necessarily interested in

1154
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 6: other opportunities because I think not because of Vegas specifically,

1155
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 6: although that's part of it. I think Davis was given

1156
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 6: him an unbelievable deal, like he was getting like let's

1157
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 6: just just use round him. He's getting a billion dollars

1158
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 6: worth of the team for like a million, Like that's

1159
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 6: like how often was right?

1160
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 4: But in this case, I would say to whatever the

1161
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 4: percentage is here, it is you to pay us. You

1162
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 4: own it, but if you ever want to cash in,

1163
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 4: here's the amount that we have to get back, you know,

1164
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 4: so like you can't just sell it and make the money.

1165
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 4: If you sell it, we get the money, you know,

1166
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 4: because we're not asking you to pay.

1167
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 6: For sell in your house before it's you know, paid for.

1168
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, something like that, you know. But he should be part.

1169
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 4: He should have equity in the Patriots. I think if.

1170
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 7: He's gonna have equity in any because I don't think.

1171
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 4: He's got three hundred million dollars in cash lab Maybe

1172
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 4: he does, but you know he's not. He doesn't want

1173
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 4: to outlay that amount of money.

1174
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 6: I think that's probably a safe bet, right, although he

1175
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 6: does have a contract worth three hundred and something million

1176
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 6: from five yeah, I know.

1177
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 4: But over how many years?

1178
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 7: Ten years? Right?

1179
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 4: So Alex and Inglewood. First off, I want to say

1180
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 4: I enjoy the show. Nothing gets rid of my morning

1181
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 4: anxiety like hearing Paul's voice and I mean it.

1182
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 7: Wow.

1183
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 6: So then that's stunning.

1184
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 4: My question at this point in the draft process, do

1185
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 4: you think the decision makers, Elliott Wolf and maybe Mayo

1186
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 4: know who they want to take in the draft. I'm

1187
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 4: sure they have contingency plans for any scenario, but will

1188
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 4: they go off a big board or could it be

1189
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 4: a draft day situation where Elliott Wolf has Drake may

1190
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 4: no matter what written on a piece of paper like

1191
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 4: the movie. Yeah.

1192
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:15,479
Speaker 7: I think they have a pretty good idea.

1193
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 4: They know who they want to take, they know why,

1194
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 4: and they have contingency plans. Yeah.

1195
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 7: Well I talked to him on Thursday. Maybe we can

1196
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 7: get it out of them.

1197
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 6: Michael don't want to know, right, Yeah, the Michael Pennick.

1198
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 4: Why do you want to know?

1199
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 7: What are you going to do with that so I

1200
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 7: can know ahead of time?

1201
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 4: Yeah? We don't. We don't want to know what.

1202
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 6: Wait wait, why wouldn't I mean I understand like competitively

1203
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 6: and all that, but why wouldn't you personally want to know.

1204
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 4: First of all, because if they're telling me, then I

1205
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 4: question them.

1206
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 6: Oh okay, So it's just a competitive thing. It's not

1207
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 6: that you don't want. Like if we were if you

1208
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 6: were off the air and like walked out of the

1209
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 6: studio and Gerard was right there and he said, oh,

1210
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 6: by the way, just so you guys know, we're taking

1211
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 6: Drake May.

1212
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 7: That wouldn't bother you.

1213
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 4: Yea, that would Oh, it wouldn't bother you. Yeah, I'd

1214
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 4: be like, why are you even saying that?

1215
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 6: Because I know you won't tell anybody, right, I know

1216
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 6: You've been here for thirty years.

1217
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 4: I know the organization.

1218
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 6: I just I just I know it's in the vault.

1219
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 4: I don't want that.

1220
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 7: You don't want that pressure.

1221
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, Plus you don't know.

1222
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 6: I would love to know what.

1223
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 4: Plus you don't know that you've taken Drake May because

1224
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 4: maybe the commanders take Drake May. So you don't know that.

1225
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 7: Maybe they've already talked to Washington and they all have

1226
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 7: sorted out.

1227
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 4: Plus it will spoil it for me.

1228
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I'm good with that.

1229
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 4: I don't want the Knights spoil it.

1230
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1231
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 7: I think the biggest for me, it's just from a

1232
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 7: work like content perspective to have a leg up and

1233
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 7: knowing who they're gonna take, so you have everything already

1234
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 7: ready to go. It's easy.

1235
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 6: What else are we going to write?

1236
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 4: I don't think the twenty minutes are gonna kill you.

1237
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 6: I mean, you've written like exhaustive film.

1238
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 7: I know, but I'm saying, you know, one of the

1239
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 7: things about the draft that does give me anxiety is like, Okay,

1240
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 7: they're on the clock, Like you know, there's seventeen million

1241
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 7: names that could take to anybody, and then all of

1242
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 7: a sudden we see the name and then it's like

1243
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,439
Speaker 7: the whole thing just comes kind of comes.

1244
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 6: For twenty years, I've had that same feeling when we're

1245
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 6: doing our show. Then they picked someone and I'm.

1246
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 7: Like, there's a million things to do.

1247
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 6: I should be writing. I should be doing this, I

1248
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 6: should be doing something. We should be talking, you know,

1249
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 6: we should be doing a like you'd never feel like

1250
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 6: you're prepared. Yep, that's why I'm just going to delegate

1251
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 6: speaking of not being prepared.

1252
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 4: Uh Rick and Dallas writes in since it's the off season,

1253
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,959
Speaker 4: I'm sure you are all sick of constantly talking about

1254
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 4: Drake May and Jayden Daniels. I figured i'd ask a

1255
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 4: fun question. Fun My favorite draft moment in recent history

1256
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 4: was evans classic reaction to the cold strange pick. The

1257
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 4: way he transitioned perfectly from bewildered rage to barely held together.

1258
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 4: Professionalism should be taught at journalism school. So what is

1259
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 4: everyone's best, worst, most confused draft moment from the past

1260
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 4: five to ten years? And why does it even have

1261
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 4: to be a Patriots pick best worst, most confused.

1262
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 7: Well, I'll go first because my worst is right out

1263
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 7: there on the internet for everybody to see. So be

1264
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 7: cold Straan in twenty twenty two.

1265
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think. I think the day that Andy and

1266
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 4: I got into the argument about rivers and tides, well that.

1267
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 7: Was that was great.

1268
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 6: Yeah for me, it's Mac. Yeah, I didn't want Mac.

1269
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 6: I didn't think they were going to take Mac. Then

1270
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 6: they took him, and I'm like, like the reality said,

1271
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 6: it is like I worked for the team and they

1272
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 6: just took a guy that I really don't.

1273
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 7: Think is very right.

1274
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 6: So now I'm in out of position and he plays quarterback.

1275
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I figured that was going to make my

1276
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 7: life different. That's how I feel about JJ. I feel

1277
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 7: like and maybe why part of the reason why I'm

1278
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 7: so anti JJ is because if they take him, and

1279
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 7: then I had like, I'm not spinning it, and like

1280
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 7: we don't want to be you know.

1281
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 4: That said, I think in your breakdown, you did breakdowns

1282
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 4: of all the quarterbacks, but your breakdown of McCarthy was

1283
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 4: even handed. I don't think you were overly negative or

1284
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 4: anything like that.

1285
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 6: Not the JJ people didn't feel that way, and I

1286
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 6: would just say, like, don't mistake me saying, look, I

1287
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 6: work for the team, so that means I have to

1288
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 6: change my opinion on it. No, I never changed my

1289
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 6: opinion on Mac based on anything I saw.

1290
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 7: Now.

1291
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 6: What I was thinking was, it's gonna be hard to

1292
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 6: embrace this until he plays, like I don't really feel

1293
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 6: like I did. But once once training camp came now,

1294
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 6: I said he was the better of the two guys,

1295
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 6: you know, when we were doing the show. As we

1296
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 6: were watching, he was better than Camp in training camp.

1297
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 6: And I said, as long as they're at worst, they're even,

1298
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 6: And as long as that's the case, why wouldn't you

1299
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 6: play the rookie?

1300
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 7: You know?

1301
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 6: But that's sort of stuck in my head, like I

1302
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 6: don't really believe in this guy, and he's the quarterback.

1303
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 7: It's hard to fake that. I think the last the

1304
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 7: Mac lesson that I learned from that perspective is just

1305
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 7: to trust your gut. Because I was not a big

1306
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 7: Mac guy going into the draft. Honestly, I had him

1307
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 7: as the fifth quarterback of the draft. Clearly I thought

1308
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 7: he was like an NFL starter. Was his ceiling, you know,

1309
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 7: just an average run of the mill NFL starter. They

1310
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 7: draft him and all all of a sudden, I'm bye

1311
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 7: bought it. Like I thought, all right, this guy's going

1312
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 7: to be you know, they see something I Bill see

1313
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 7: something that I don't like. It's Bill Belichick making the pick.

1314
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 7: Like you have to think if he's going to invest

1315
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 7: a first round pick in a quarterback who's getting drafted

1316
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 7: from the school that his best friend is, you know,

1317
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 7: the coach at they must know something about Mac that

1318
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 7: I don't know. And so I I took the cheese.

1319
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 4: So my my probably my favorite draft moment for us

1320
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 4: was and you'll remember this Paul old timer back in

1321
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 4: ninety seven when they traded Drew Bledsoe and we were

1322
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 4: allowed to break the news on Day two of the draft.

1323
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 7: And that was two thousand and two.

1324
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 4: Oh I mean two thousand and two.

1325
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that was that was big for us. That's

1326
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 7: a good that's a good memory. Yeah.

1327
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 6: We did just like Fred said, we we broke that news.

1328
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 4: People were pissed.

1329
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, people were pissed. Good stuff with their

1330
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 7: own website.

1331
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 4: That's not fair. Yeah, no, literally, Patriots dot com broke

1332
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 4: that news. Interesting that Bledsoe is going to be trade.

1333
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 7: Ever broke another story.

1334
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 9: I have no good stories to report from the draft

1335
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 9: since I've been here.

1336
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 7: I would say last year was good. I loved last year.

1337
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 7: I mean it was the first time that I did

1338
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 7: the draft party and was, you know, here to work

1339
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 7: here for that, and then they picked the guy I wanted.

1340
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 6: So it's hard like I would go to the ones

1341
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 6: that we hit, like Ty Warren was one that we had,

1342
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 6: Chandler Jones was one that we had, Brandon Merriweather was

1343
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 6: one that we had. So when they when they took

1344
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 6: guys that we were saying what we were mocking to

1345
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 6: the Patriots.

1346
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 7: And I know.

1347
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 6: Everybody says that no one ever gets them right, Like, no,

1348
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 6: sometimes you get them right. Sometimes you do, And those

1349
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 6: are the ones that stand out for me.

1350
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 7: It is more positive.

1351
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 9: I'll never forget when Cole Strange was picked. That room

1352
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 9: was probably one of the most uncomfortable rooms I've been,

1353
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 9: Like you could hear a pen drop in there. Yeah,

1354
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 9: one when they traded back everyone, but then two when

1355
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 9: they picked him. It was crazy, especially because I think

1356
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 9: someone called him was like it was disbelief if they

1357
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 9: picked so and so, like I'm jumping off a bridge.

1358
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 8: I think that was the same draft party.

1359
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 7: I was like, this is and you know, poor Cold Strange.

1360
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 4: You know, he's the he's like the example of the

1361
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 4: overreach in recent years for the Patriots, and it's not

1362
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 4: his fault, you know, but like, man, was that an overreach?

1363
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 7: Frankly, the whole draft, that whole classes they draft, they

1364
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 7: overdrafted every single player in that draft by like a

1365
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 7: round or two. Yeah, Cold Strange, Taekwon. I think Marcus

1366
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 7: Jones is probably the only guy and he's the best player,

1367
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 7: And that was the only pick that I liked.

1368
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the thing about it, you know, other than Bill,

1369
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 4: it's all the same people here, so like it'd be

1370
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 4: really interesting with the you know, the truth serum. Yeah,

1371
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 4: like who's picks worthy?

1372
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: Onse?

1373
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 7: You know, well, I think it was a lot Bill

1374
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 7: ninety five percent Bill, and then I think Mac.

1375
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 4: I still believe the cold Strange pick is because of

1376
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 4: his ties to Tennessee. Bill he wanted to have He

1377
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 4: wanted to be able to say, I'm from Tennis, I

1378
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 4: was born in Tennessee, and I picked a Tennessee player.

1379
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 9: Okay, but why not pick one from like Tennessee. Yeah,

1380
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 9: like Tennessee in the not a school, Give.

1381
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 6: Me a Memphis.

1382
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 4: He probably met the head coach at one time at

1383
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 4: Chattanooga and he really complimentated Bill up and down, and

1384
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 4: he wanted to give him a solid.

1385
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 5: Rule.

1386
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 9: You can give him a solid by having him come

1387
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 9: in as an undrafted free agent, but not as your.

1388
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 4: First round pick.

1389
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1390
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 6: I think that Bill has the final say. But I

1391
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 6: do think that the whole collaborative part, like they're putting

1392
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 6: like boards together and Bill's the one that's identifying. I

1393
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 6: don't think that they had Cole Strange as a fifth

1394
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 6: round pick. Everybody else in that room and Bill just

1395
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 6: went rogue and said we're going to take him in

1396
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 6: the first round. I think they thought higher of him

1397
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 6: than everybody else.

1398
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I believe that. I think that they probably had

1399
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 7: like a second round grade at that point in the

1400
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 7: draft twenty eight is probably going to be a guy

1401
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 7: that you graded out as a second rounder, because you

1402
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 7: don't you have maybe fifteen to eighteen first round grades

1403
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 7: in a good draft class. So I can believe that

1404
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 7: they probably thought cold Strange was with that pick. But

1405
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 7: it was just the combination of the position he plays

1406
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 7: and the fact that they reached on a guard in

1407
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 7: the first round was just a very bad combination.

1408
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 4: A little draft scenario game, would you rather this? Three scenarios?

1409
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 4: The first one, would you rather take May eighty, Mitchell

1410
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 4: and then Patrick Paul? That's your first group. The second

1411
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 4: group is Jaden Daniels, Tyler Geiten, and Xavier Loguette. And

1412
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 4: the third group is Marvin Harrison, bow Nix and Max Melton.

1413
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 6: The second one, okay, the only one I would have

1414
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 6: no interest in is see I.

1415
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 7: Don't know how Max Melton got in there.

1416
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 9: Good play a was good, but something about be that

1417
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 9: mixture of the I mean, the quarterback obviously is great,

1418
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 9: but the tackle and the wide receiver. I really like

1419
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 9: Xavier a lot and also just be able to get

1420
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 9: a good tackles either of.

1421
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 6: The first two. But is Patrick Paul? I assume that

1422
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 6: he's going round one, round two, round three. Is that

1423
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 6: a little that's what I thought like the third round

1424
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 6: for him a.

1425
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 7: Little earlier late. I don't know which way, wait a

1426
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 7: little bit, just because I think, you know, because of

1427
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 7: the tackle premium. Yeah, but I think that he's probably

1428
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 7: a third round graded player. Oh okay, but I don't

1429
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 7: I don't know then, I don't know if he'll be

1430
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 7: there just because tackles are tackles. You know you're gonna

1431
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 7: you're gonna see a lot of tackles going in the

1432
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 7: twenties in this draft. You know you're gonna have Alt Fugawa,

1433
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 7: I would say, fashion you probably still and then you're

1434
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 7: gonna see a lot of tackles.

1435
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 4: You know.

1436
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 7: The guy ends the mims is those guys are gonna

1437
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 7: all go in the twenties. And so then Day two

1438
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 7: becomes Kingsley, Sua, Mattia, Patrick Pollock. These guys are gonna fall,

1439
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 7: you know, fly off the board because.

1440
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 6: Kingsley guy's the one that's Peninsule's cousin.

1441
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, really really talented.

1442
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

1443
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 4: Floyd in Michigan rights in for all those fans who

1444
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 4: want to trade back, and we will figure out the

1445
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 4: QB position down the Road. Please pay attention to the

1446
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 4: Minnesota Vikings in their negotiations with the Patriots, and the

1447
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 4: Vikings they have been embarrassing themselves. They come across as

1448
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,439
Speaker 4: a desperate team that grossly underestimated the cost to move

1449
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 4: up into the top four to draft a quarterback. I

1450
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 4: don't care how bad a team is. When you have

1451
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 4: an opportunity to draft a possible franchise quarterback, you draft them.

1452
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 4: Plus bad teams pick at the top of the draft

1453
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 4: and pick quarterbacks all the time.

1454
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 6: What has Minnesota done?

1455
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 4: I don't know. How would they embarrass them themself?

1456
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 7: Well, Jeremy Fowler had a reporter over the weekend, which

1457
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 7: I don't know if this is what he's getting at,

1458
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 7: but I have to imagine it is. The Vikings are

1459
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 7: trying to make this trade without including twenty three. They won't.

1460
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 7: They don't want to. They don't want to trade both

1461
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 7: ones to.

1462
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 6: Move Sow's how's that embarrassing?

1463
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 7: I don't I have no idea, but that's the latest

1464
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 7: report is that they acquired twenty three to hopefully still

1465
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 7: trade up from eleven to get the quarterback and then

1466
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 7: also take a non quarterback at twenty three.

1467
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean they're obviously trying for a pie in

1468
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 6: the sky situation. I don't think there's anything embarrassing about

1469
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 6: trying to give less to make a move. I think

1470
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 6: the embarrassing thing would be, well, it's worth X and Y,

1471
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 6: but we're gonna give you X, y Z everything else

1472
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 6: in the future. That's embarrassing. That's being desperate and overpaying

1473
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 6: like that, to me would be what you don't want

1474
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 6: to do. Trying to get away with paying less.

1475
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 7: To me, is smart.

1476
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 6: They also have It's not gonna work, but it's smart.

1477
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 7: Quezi, their general manager, is one of these analytics guys,

1478
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 7: and his math is a little bit different in terms

1479
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 7: of the trade chart than everybody else is. And he

1480
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 7: doesn't put as much value in picks, like he thinks

1481
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 7: picks are not worth as much.

1482
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 6: Well the trade charts too, and I understand like a

1483
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 6: lot of people have said that, like they're not going

1484
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 6: to get what they want because if you look eleven

1485
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 6: and twenty three, well, the emailer that emailed in just

1486
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 6: now he's right, like when you have the quarterback, then

1487
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 6: that's a premium. It's not just the X on the spreadsheet.

1488
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 6: It's different, right, This is basically a three quarterback draft,

1489
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 6: and this is the third spot, right, so that costs

1490
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 6: more than just what it says on the trade show.

1491
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Mike and Brockton, if reasons why a quarterback fails

1492
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 4: is an important thing to consider, how can you draft

1493
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 4: one third overall? With the uncertainties and deficiencies on this team?

1494
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,919
Speaker 4: The offensive line is unproven, regardless of if you draft

1495
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 4: a left tackle. There's no go to receiver. We have

1496
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 4: no idea if this offensive coaching group is capable of

1497
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 4: developing talent or calling plays productively. Why not give it

1498
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 4: one year to see what your support system actually is

1499
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 4: so you can identify your deficiencies properly and fix them

1500
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 4: before bringing in a quarterback who may shoulder the blame

1501
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 4: for things that aren't his fault. Where these quarterbacks are

1502
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 4: a crapshoot, why not take the crap shoot next year?

1503
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 6: See I'm not big on the crapshoot thing.

1504
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 4: You keep saying that you can't guarantee who will be

1505
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 4: available at quarterback next year, But it's the same non

1506
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 4: guarantee this year's class being.

1507
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 6: Good, right, So why is it better to wait till

1508
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 6: next year?

1509
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 4: Take take one year to enhance your roster and system

1510
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 4: and staff so when you do draft a quarterback, he

1511
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 4: has the support necessary to succeed.

1512
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 7: I understand where he's coming from. I don't like, it's

1513
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 7: not like he's he's totally wrong or anything like that.

1514
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 7: I would just say, you know, Will Anderson was up

1515
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 7: at the podium during OTA's the other day and he

1516
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 7: said that people were coming up to him at the

1517
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 7: Pro Bowl and asking him to get him to get

1518
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 7: them to Houston to play with Stroud and to play

1519
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 7: with Damiko Ryans. Does anybody want to play on the

1520
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 7: Texans before they drafted C. J.

1521
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 4: Stroud?

1522
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 7: Like, like where the Texans a destination or a team

1523
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 7: that people looked at as a super Bowl.

1524
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 6: His argument is basically, you know, like, you're right, it's

1525
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 6: not you know, it's not wrong. It's you know, build

1526
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 6: the team before you get the quarterback. But I just

1527
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,480
Speaker 6: I don't really understand if you don't get the quarterback,

1528
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 6: it's not really gonna matter. You know, with very few exceptions.

1529
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 6: I think San Francisco was an outlier.

1530
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:53,759
Speaker 7: It matters.

1531
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 6: It's it's it's mattered for San Francisco because they're that good. Yeah,

1532
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 6: I don't think there are a lot of teams like that. Yeah,

1533
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 6: I think the Texans. The only thing that Texans have

1534
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 6: offensively is Laramie Tunzel, Like Tunzel was there before Stroud

1535
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 6: was there and that. But maybe the Patriots look at

1536
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 6: Mike on Winnu and say he's a blue chip offensive

1537
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 6: lineman too.

1538
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 9: I think the Lions are another good example of they

1539
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 9: built their team. Obviously they didn't draft the quarterback.

1540
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 6: Well, they got the drafts.

1541
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 8: But then they built around him and got him everything.

1542
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 4: I think there's no there's no way, there's no way

1543
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 4: to do it. Like if you are a team that

1544
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 4: has a lot of holes, you start shipping away at

1545
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 4: those holes, and when the best player is available for

1546
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 4: a certain hole, you take them, whether he's a quarterback,

1547
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 4: a wide receiver, or whatever. You know, like my drafting,

1548
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 4: like no, let me just finish. Like you know, people say, oh,

1549
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 4: you can't draft a quarterback until you have people to

1550
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 4: throw to. Well, I've also heard people say you can't

1551
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 4: draft a receiver until you have a quarterback to throw to.

1552
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 6: Him, right, Like both of those things are probably accurate, but.

1553
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 4: But you have to get somebody. You also, like, if

1554
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 4: the receiver comes first, so the quarterback comes first. Just

1555
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 4: take the best guy and then you'll fill in the

1556
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 4: you'll fill in the holes. Like there's no set way

1557
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 4: of one has to come before the other. You start

1558
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 4: building your team. It's a process and when an opportunity

1559
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 4: is there, you take it, and you know, you start

1560
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:20,600
Speaker 4: filling in the holes after that.

1561
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 6: And what I hate, like the drafting, the whole crapshoot thing,

1562
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 6: it's the quarterbacks. I just feel like there's busts at

1563
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 6: a lot of positions and I just you know, so,

1564
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 6: what if, for arguments sake, Okay, we're not going to

1565
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 6: take the quarterback because it's too risky. What if they

1566
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 6: take Marvin Harrison and he turns out to be the

1567
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,679
Speaker 6: worst wide receiver you've ever seen, Roy Williams or Justin

1568
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 6: Blackman or Kevin White top ten receivers who missed right, Okay,

1569
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 6: what if that happens? Are you were in better shape

1570
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:55,799
Speaker 6: because it wasn't a quarterback?

1571
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 3: Right?

1572
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 7: No, we're screwed.

1573
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 6: We had the three, We had the third overall pick

1574
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 6: and got nothing thing out of it. Like, I mean,

1575
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 6: I just don't understand why we're eliminating the crapshoot part

1576
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 6: of it by not taking a quarterback.

1577
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 7: No, you're not.

1578
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 4: I mean, he wasn't as high. But Nikhil Harry hurt

1579
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 4: this franchise by missing on that first round pick. That

1580
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 4: hurt us, you know.

1581
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 7: Yeah that's an understatement. Yeah it did.

1582
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 6: There's no there's no argument.

1583
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:20,520
Speaker 4: He wasn't even the third overall.

1584
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 6: Right, just think about it. How much worse it would

1585
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 6: be if you miss on the third pick.

1586
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see, this is emery. Uh, he says. I

1587
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 4: agree with Paul that beyond Michigan in Ohio State, the

1588
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 4: Big Ten doesn't have many oppressive teams. However, the Big

1589
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 4: Ten does have defenses that are much better than ACC.

1590
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 4: McCarthy has faced seven top twenty scoring defenses in the Big.

1591
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,600
Speaker 6: Ten because none of those teams can play in the

1592
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 6: past and they can't score. Iowa is in the Big

1593
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 6: Ten Championship over the past and they can't score ten points.

1594
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 4: While May has faced two in the ACC, not to

1595
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 4: mention facing the number one rank Michigan defense in practice.

1596
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 9: Also, and JJ might have had a coaching staff cheating

1597
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 9: and looking up people's places.

1598
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 6: But like, I'm not a huge ACC guy. I don't

1599
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 6: think the ACC is great now, Okay it's not. But

1600
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 6: I'm sorry if I look at North Carolina having to

1601
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 6: play Clemson in Florida State every year is being comparable

1602
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 6: to anybody in the Big Ten having to play Ohio State.

1603
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 7: More or even n C State this past year was

1604
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 7: But I'm not even counting them.

1605
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 6: Like, to me, that's like Wisconsin. But none of those

1606
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 6: teams can score.

1607
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 8: But that's just big good this year.

1608
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Iowa is in the Big Ten Championship because

1609
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 6: of the way the Big Ten is split, and they

1610
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 6: could not score ten points in a game.

1611
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 7: Right, That's just how the games in the Big Ten

1612
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 7: are played. It's thirteen to ten. It's old by nature.

1613
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 7: It's old school smash. It's not great defense, it's just

1614
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 7: bad offense.

1615
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. So he goes on to say, uh,

1616
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 4: McCarthy's QBR is higher than May's QBR in those games

1617
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 4: where he played better defenses. He says, I'm in favor

1618
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,759
Speaker 4: of drafting May at three purely because of the trades,

1619
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 4: but their level of defensive competition wasn't similar, you know.

1620
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 6: So do you know how we say, like in the

1621
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 6: NFL that the teams, you know, the teams that are

1622
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 6: in those divisions that have bad offenses have inflated stats. Yeah,

1623
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 6: well that's in the league when there's only thirty two

1624
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 6: teams and everybody plays the same teams. Do you imagine

1625
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 6: how much more out of whack it is in the

1626
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 6: Big Ten as opposed to playing the team that has

1627
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:24,799
Speaker 6: a pulse.

1628
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,839
Speaker 4: Well, like, so he goes down, you know, the.

1629
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 6: Like if Megan, If Megan was here, I'd even go in,

1630
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 6: you know, double battles. I mean, but you play in Northwestern.

1631
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 6: Last time, Northwestern could score.

1632
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 4: But here's here's kind of I make your point, Illinois, he.

1633
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 6: Goes to Minnesota. None of those teams can move the

1634
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 6: ball and score.

1635
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 4: You know, since Maryland for better defense that McCarthy's played.

1636
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 4: Iowa was second, And I'm telling you what would happen

1637
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 4: to Iowa if they played in the SEC. I know,

1638
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 4: I'm That's what I'm making your point. Now, Penn State

1639
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 4: was tenth at the time, Illinois was number one in

1640
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, Nebraska thirteenth, Penn State third, and twenty

1641
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 4: three Ohio State. Okay, they were good. Ohio State's good

1642
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:09,440
Speaker 4: and then Iowa again in twenty three. So like Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska,

1643
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 4: you know.

1644
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 6: They're not that good in defenses. Yeah, I know what

1645
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 6: their numbers say. Their numbers are incredible because they play

1646
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 6: against a bunch of teams like them that can't go

1647
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 6: from here to there without falling down.

1648
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, is that what you were looking for? I love

1649
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 7: this thing. Is that what you because I used to

1650
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 7: feel this way. You know, the Pac twelve has gotten

1651
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 7: a lot better.

1652
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 6: Pac twelve had a really good year last year, but

1653
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 6: the pack twell ironically last.

1654
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 7: Year of his existences like this for me, where like

1655
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 7: everybody in the PAC twelve is slow, and so you

1656
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 7: have like a guy like Nikhil Harry who can reverse

1657
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 7: field in the PAC twelve. If Nikil Harry tried to

1658
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 7: reverse field in the SEC, he would have he would

1659
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 7: have been tackled for like a ten yard loss.

1660
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 4: And that's why.

1661
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 6: Michigan and Ohio State have separated themselves from the rest

1662
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 6: of that conference because they the rest of it still

1663
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 6: can't move.

1664
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 7: They got athletes and they get nowt.

1665
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 9: That's how I feel about the Big twelve. Like all

1666
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 9: of them can score a ton of offense, like it's

1667
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 9: like a basketball score, but then none of them can

1668
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 9: play defense. Like why is the score like seventy two

1669
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 9: to fifty one.

1670
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 7: Why it's just the way that those teams are built.

1671
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 7: You know, they're they're recruiting, they're coaching is all on

1672
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 7: the offensive side of the ball.

1673
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 6: It's a great it's a great example. Glad you brought

1674
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 6: up the Big Twelve. So what happened two years ago?

1675
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 6: Everybody talks about the National Championship this year from Michigan.

1676
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 6: Two years ago they played a thoroughly average TCU team

1677
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 6: out out of the Big Twelve and gave up fifty

1678
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 6: in the semi finals. And how did JJ McCarthy do

1679
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 6: in that game? Oh, we threw a couple of pick sixes.

1680
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 6: Like this great defense couldn't slow down TCU that night.

1681
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 6: With say it again, Max Duggan, who by the way,

1682
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 6: was a terrific college quarterback drafted free agency, is nowhere

1683
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 6: near the caliber of players that we're talking about with

1684
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 6: with even JJ McCarthy and stone Hands Johnson Stonehands.

1685
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I would I would say, like, was it

1686
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 9: this year that we saw Likexas play Alabama tight, Texas

1687
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 9: beat out Yeah, Like I feel like their offenses can

1688
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 9: play well. Now Texas is going to the SEC, but

1689
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 9: their offenses can play in the SEC.

1690
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 6: That's because they have Steve Sarkisian, right, But if you

1691
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,799
Speaker 6: had like the Biggest twelve offenses that are good offense

1692
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 6: is year in and year out. If they played in

1693
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 6: the Big Ten, they would score just the same. Oh yeah,

1694
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,759
Speaker 6: it's not just because the Big twelve can't play defense,

1695
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 6: which is true, but it would look a lot different

1696
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 6: if Illinois was playing against Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas State, even

1697
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 6: you know back in not not now, but West Virginia

1698
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 6: about five years ago. Like those Big twelve offenses can

1699
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 6: can score and TCU is a good offense too. If

1700
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 6: they were playing those teams instead of Illinois and Nebraska

1701
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 6: and Northwestern, they wouldn't be ranked number two in the

1702
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 6: in the country. And defense of disrespect to Megan, but

1703
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 6: I'll take the game they like when Diego puts the

1704
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 6: glasses on, which she does the Northwestern they.

1705
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 7: Or like the one that's like, what's his best film

1706
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 7: for JJ McCarthy's against Michigan State, who was an absolute

1707
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 7: train wreck sast year. And every single time you go

1708
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 7: through a Big ten offensive player and you say, oh,

1709
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 7: where was his best game? It was against Michigan State.

1710
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 7: Marvin Harrison junior. You know, all of these guys all

1711
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 7: went off against Michigan State.

1712
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 4: Good because they should, right Yeah, their best game should

1713
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 4: be against the worst play team, you know, Dylan writes

1714
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 4: in from Augusta, Maine, thinking about McCarthy. What I can't

1715
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 4: get past when people argue he wasn't asked to do

1716
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 4: much in college, is wouldn't he be asked to do

1717
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 4: more if he had the ability. I can't imagine Harbor

1718
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 4: would hold him back if he truly had elite abilities.

1719
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 4: That is what scares me up.

1720
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 6: I'm gonna defend McCarthy a little bit on that, Okay, Like,

1721
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 6: if you're in college and your Jim hobball, you do

1722
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,600
Speaker 6: what you do to give you the best chance to

1723
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 6: go twenty seven to one. Yeah, Like, No, I wouldn't

1724
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 6: have asked him to say, you know, I'm gonna try

1725
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 6: to help your draft stock here, I'm gonna we're gonna

1726
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 6: throw it all over the yard. No, I mean hardball

1727
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 6: was under fire right before he finally started beating Ohio State. Yeah,

1728
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 6: with Kate McNamara, by the way, he was under fire

1729
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 6: and he had to win. Yeah, So I don't think

1730
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 6: that he should have you know, I don't think that's

1731
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 6: necessarily an indictment on McCarthy, that they played that one the.

1732
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 7: TCU game is kind of an indictment on McCarthy though,

1733
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 7: But he was. But in his defense, he put up

1734
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 7: a bunch of plastic numbers. Second, he was like twenty,

1735
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 7: and he was like I think he was a true sophomore,

1736
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 7: like he was young. But yeah, that was the one

1737
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 7: game where you had to put up points.

1738
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 6: Like the Alabama game started the same way and he

1739
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Speaker 6: got bailed out.

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Speaker 9: So that was the one game where they couldn't use

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Speaker 9: the extra scouting that they.

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Speaker 7: Got to the game very good. I like this angle

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01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 7: as well, just pilot it all.

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01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:45,799
Speaker 6: So that's why he would make sense for the Patriots.

1745
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 6: Knows how, knows how to decipher information.

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01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 7: The Big ten stinks is they were signed, stealing and

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Speaker 7: near the players ahead of time.

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Speaker 4: I liked it, so.

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Speaker 6: I thought you were ready to like argue with me

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Speaker 6: on my Big ten. No, it's really it's been bubbling

1751
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 6: under the surface because I like Drake May, I'm not

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01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 6: gonna lie. Yeah, And I just don't think there's a

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Speaker 6: huge difference in those two conferences. I think high end

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Speaker 6: Michigan and Ohio State are better than anybody in the ACCA.

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Speaker 4: I think they should get rid of all these stupid

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Speaker 4: conferences and have one Super Conference. It's coming the top

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Speaker 4: fifty teams and it's like soccer in Europe where you

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01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:25,919
Speaker 4: can be relegated out. If out of the top Western

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Speaker 4: you're gone right.

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Speaker 7: Well, because of nil and all the TV deals and

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Speaker 7: stuff like that, I think that something they're going to

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Speaker 7: have to reconfigure college football that's coming. Yeah, where it's

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01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 7: gonna reckon. There's gonna be all the top teams are

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01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 7: going to just play each other and it's not going

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Speaker 7: to be by conference, and you're not gonna have Michigan

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01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 7: beating you know.

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Speaker 4: All these conference fat cats in their suits. Too bad,

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Speaker 4: you're out. You're out because they're making boat loads of

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Speaker 4: money off you know, running the Big Ten and all

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Speaker 4: that stuff. You're out one one. Super conference. It's coming

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01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:02,480
Speaker 4: top fifty teams. That'd be cool, huh.

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Speaker 6: And football is driving the boat chief yep. And basketball

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01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 6: is gonna end up having to follow suit. It's gonna

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01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 6: ruin that tournament you watch.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, this year was wild.

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Speaker 4: Why do you think I think so? You think basketball

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01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 4: would do?

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Speaker 6: Basketball wants more of the power teams, the money teams

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Speaker 6: in the tournament, and they want to push out the

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Speaker 6: little guys that get automatic bits. Yeah, I personally look

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01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 6: at it, not just because I'm a Northeastern guy. Before you,

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Speaker 6: I'll take your little punchline away from you. Yeah, I

1783
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,839
Speaker 6: think that the little guys that would make the tournament.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, like the first the first round or two,

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Speaker 6: like when Oakland beats Kentucky. That's what people remember about this.

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Speaker 6: You know, all due respect to Yukon, people will remember

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01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 6: those upsets in the first round before long after people

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Speaker 6: remember that.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know you sixty four teams make that tournament. Like,

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01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 4: how many of the money teams are getting shafted.

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Speaker 6: There's a handful, are there. Yeah, there's a handful, not

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Speaker 6: a lot. But they want all of their teams that

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01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 6: are quote unquote good in the tournament because they put

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01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 6: so much money into it. Yeah, and that's how the

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01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 6: that's how we enjoy the n So let's face it,

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Speaker 6: like those are the teams, those those programs are the

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Speaker 6: ones that.

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Speaker 7: Feed the whole.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well Seaton Hall, Saint John's Indiana State is

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Speaker 6: not a big time, but they probably should.

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Speaker 7: Have been into.

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01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 4: Larry Bird went there, so it big time.

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Speaker 6: Those those teams they want everybody in, like if you

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01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 6: went eighteen and fifteen, they want you they want that

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01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 6: team in the tournament.

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Speaker 3: Halftime Show, joined by Chris Cassidy. I'm a Tis Bauman

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Speaker 3: and Chris. It has been a while, Yes, I think

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01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 3: people have been happy being like they're gone. We're not gone.

1840
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Speaker 3: We're taking we were taking all the sabbatical at Cray

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Speaker 3: Well break.

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Speaker 4: It's been crazier, all right. Question one.

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01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna get a T shirt, but we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what they're sending out these days. Question one,

1845
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 3: how many touchdowns did Matt Castle throw as a New

1846
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 3: England Patriot? All Right? His whole career as a Patriot.

1847
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 3: Question two, before Billy Kundiff's missed game time field goal

1848
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Speaker 3: attempt in a twenty eleven AFC Championship game, the Patriots

1849
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 3: stopped the Ravens on a potential touchdown to Lee Evans,

1850
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 3: which Patriots defensive back broke up the potential game winning touchdown.

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Speaker 3: All right, yeah, you have no idea about that one.

1852
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 3: And question three, this is a layup for some how

1853
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 3: many passing yards of Tom Brady have in Super Bowl

1854
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Speaker 3: fifty two. All right, so Chris.

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Speaker 7: Hold on, Yeah, I had a.

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Speaker 13: Matt Castle jersey when I was little. I begged my

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Speaker 13: parents to get me a mac Castle jersey for my

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01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 13: birthday one year because because they were like, I was

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Speaker 13: on the Castle train when Brady was in that starting

1860
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 13: role and he went down. I was like, it might

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01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 13: have been the only nine year old who asked for

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Speaker 13: a Matt Castle jersey.

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Speaker 3: Do you still have it?

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Speaker 7: I mean, if I do, I would never wear it,

1865
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 7: definitely not.

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Speaker 3: Bring it to the studio. But all right, Chris, we're

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01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 3: gonna get into this. We got football movies. You know,

1868
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ease back into the halftime show stuff here.

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Speaker 3: So what are your favorite football movies? Do your top three,

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Speaker 3: top three.

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Speaker 7: We can rattle off some yeah, some special ones though, Okay, outside.

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Speaker 3: Of well, do your top three and I'll do my time.

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Speaker 7: That sounds good. So my top three.

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Speaker 13: I mean, this is just all, like all time, even

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01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 13: out of the category of football movies. Just one of

1876
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 13: my favorite movies of all time. Remember the Titans. Yep,

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01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 13: you know that whole movie what it stands for. It

1878
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 13: really brings everything together, whether it's football, whether it's you know,

1879
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 13: just everything, the whole storyline. It's amazing the way they

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Speaker 13: show those players and they're sort of how they interact

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Speaker 13: with each other. It's very interesting and its teaches you

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Speaker 13: about history and it also teaches you just about the

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Speaker 13: game of football in general.

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Speaker 3: Classic Disney.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and I met coach Boon there you go. He

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01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 13: talked to my team one year. It was pretty cool

1887
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 13: to listen to.

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Speaker 3: Talk of that a legend of the game. What else

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01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 3: you got other two?

1890
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 7: I would put Friday Night Lights at two?

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01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 3: All right?

1892
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 13: I mean Boomy Miles another great story. Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 13: if not a spoiler, but came down to the wire

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01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 13: in that championship game. But actually, I think isn't.

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Speaker 7: That that's a based on true stories. Yeah, so's I

1896
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 7: guess people know this story.

1897
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 3: Ernie Adams has a tie to that. By the way,

1898
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 3: he went on his podcast. He knew the writer. The

1899
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 3: writer went to school with him, and he said he's

1900
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 3: gonna write about football in Pennsylvanian already. I was like, no,

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Speaker 3: you should go to Texas.

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01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 7: Damn those guys.

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01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Like what else you got?

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01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 7: H three?

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01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 4: This is great?

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Speaker 13: Iron Gang another great one. I know we talked about

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Speaker 13: it earlier. But first of all, one of the rocks

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Speaker 13: best movies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just that right before he became like.

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01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 7: He was still ding and his arms weren't like crazy

1911
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Speaker 7: blowing out of his shirts.

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Speaker 3: All right, all right, that's I had a little more

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01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 3: of a description, but no, all right, so responded that,

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Speaker 3: first of all, I love Friday Lights the show more

1915
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Speaker 3: than the movie.

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01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 7: I haven't seen the show.

1917
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 3: The show. You should get on that, by the way.

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01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 3: But those are great choices. I'm gonna this is in

1919
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 3: no order, by the way, I think I have grid

1920
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 3: Iron Gang in my top three. And then I got

1921
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 3: Varsity Blues, which you're showing my age here because you

1922
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 3: don't even know what that is. That's Paul Walker playing

1923
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,839
Speaker 3: the quarterback. It has some Friday vibes. That's your homework.

1924
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 3: Varsity Blue, Varsity Blues. He's never seen Varsity Blues? Crazy?

1925
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 7: Was that like nineteen ninety two?

1926
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Speaker 4: That was?

1927
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 3: That was I check real quick? Yeah, Chris, okay, and

1928
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 3: then I'm throwing any given Sunday in there? Have you

1929
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 3: seen that one?

1930
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 7: So that movie is very slow for me? Okay, I

1931
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 7: don't really like that movie. I watched the first hour

1932
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 7: and I shut it off because I was like, I'm

1933
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Speaker 7: kind of tired.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's a great plot in my idea,

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01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 3: Willie Demon. Yeah, all right, all right, So talked about

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Speaker 3: some others that we didn't get in there? Yeah, go ahead,

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01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 3: right were Marshall?

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Speaker 13: Ohang, absolute banger. I mean that first of all, that

1939
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:06,600
Speaker 13: story is horrible, horrible.

1940
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 7: So so sad.

1941
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 13: But Matthew McConaughey, Oh my gosh, Matthew McConaughey in that

1942
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 13: movie is amazing and just again, it tells the whole

1943
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 13: story very remember the Titans, ask tells the whole story.

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01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 7: You get it all there, and like you, you kind

1945
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,600
Speaker 7: of feel the emotions throughout the whole movie, and I

1946
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 7: love that. I love every part of it.

1947
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 3: We got the express have you seen that? Is that

1948
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 3: Ernie Davis? Ernie Davis? Yes, yes, have you seen that one? Though?

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01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 7: So we had it on a.

1950
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 13: CD when it came out. I don't fully remember everything

1951
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 13: about it, but also I just his story.

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Speaker 4: This is another one.

1953
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 3: I love the replacements Jean Reeve Shane. Have you not

1954
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 3: seen that either? No, Chris, you are killing me, brother.

1955
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Speaker 3: That's not that's nineties too, That's no, that's two thousand,

1956
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 3: two thousand on the dot.

1957
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Speaker 7: Dude, What do you want me to do about these?

1958
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Speaker 3: I want you to go back and do some homework,

1959
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Speaker 3: all right?

1960
01:28:58,439 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 4: What about?

1961
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 3: What about this one? Isn't really focused on the field

1962
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 3: draft day? It's all right? Yeah, yeah, it is draft season.

1963
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 3: It's a good movie, ye.

1964
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Speaker 13: I mean, if you're somebody that needs to learn the

1965
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 13: ins and outs of how a GM functions during draft time,

1966
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 13: that's a great movie to watch, all right, But I

1967
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 13: just think it's silly.

1968
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 3: All I'm amost three more for you. I hope you've

1969
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 3: seen them. Longest Yard, the Adam Sandler version.

1970
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 7: Long Long He Started.

1971
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 13: Adam Sandler version is one of the best Burt Reynolds,

1972
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 13: the original Reynolds, but the originals, Okay, alright, I prefer

1973
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 13: that Adam Sandler.

1974
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 3: One Invincible Mark Wahlberg, that movie's overrated. Okay, but you've

1975
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:44,560
Speaker 3: seen it, Yeah, okay, I've seen it. And then the

1976
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 3: water Boy was that six? Yea invisible six? And what

1977
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 3: about the water Boy?

1978
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 7: Water Boy is also legendary. Although that's more Is that

1979
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 7: less about football? Or is that more boy about just

1980
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:56,759
Speaker 7: Adam Sandler?

1981
01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 3: Adam Sandler, Adam Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. All right, Chris,

1982
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 3: we had some good, good stuff here. You have some

1983
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 3: homework because you gotta watch some of these damn movies.

1984
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 7: I'm probably not going to watch our Sea Blues or replacements.

1985
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 3: I hate to hear that they might talk about that

1986
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 3: m filtered actually, but my guys, thanks for tuning in.

1987
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Speaker 3: get back to the show.

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Speaker 4: All right, Easy to drink, easy to enjoy. Bud Light,

2053
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Speaker 4: the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. I

2054
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 4: feel like I should say more, but that's it.

2055
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Speaker 7: Bud Light.

2056
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Speaker 4: I could use a bud Light. I still can't believe

2057
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 4: I thought it was Thursday today. He did all day.

2058
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 4: I'd say, all right, it's one week away from the draft.

2059
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 4: All right, little Tuesday trivia you want to partake?

2060
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 7: Yes, sir?

2061
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 4: How many touchdowns did Matt Castle throw as a Patriot

2062
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 4: twenty two incorrect, nineteen incorrect, twenty three. Oh, I was

2063
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:57,799
Speaker 4: close before Billy Kundiff's missed game tying field goal attempt

2064
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 4: in the twenty eleven AFC Championship Patriots.

2065
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Speaker 7: That's correct.

2066
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 4: The Patriots stopped the Ravens on a potential touchdown to

2067
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 4: Lee Evans. Which Patriots defensive back broke up that potential

2068
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 4: game winning touchdown?

2069
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 6: Refras that question which Ravens receiver dropped the pass in

2070
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 6: the end that would be Lee Evans?

2071
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 7: Well, I wasn't sure if we were going.

2072
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 4: I was going to say Sterling Moore. And at the time,

2073
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:23,640
Speaker 4: I remember Paul pooh poohing, how good a play that

2074
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 4: was for Sterling Moore?

2075
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 7: Hands baby laid hands?

2076
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 6: Because right, it's a it's a drop.

2077
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:30,080
Speaker 7: And if.

2078
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:35,679
Speaker 6: If Wes Welker or Randy Moss ever did that, yeah,

2079
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 6: they'd be destroyed.

2080
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 7: I actually saw that going around Twitter, the Welker play

2081
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 7: in twenty eleven, and like, again, the was it a drop?

2082
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:45,680
Speaker 7: Was it a bad throw? It's like, guys, it's been

2083
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 7: it's been over ten years.

2084
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 4: It's a drop. I think we can move on. It's

2085
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 4: both it's a drop. Wasn't a perfect throw, but it should.

2086
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 7: Have been a bad throw that was that was could

2087
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 7: have could have been caught.

2088
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 4: How many passing yards did TB twelve have in Super

2089
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 4: Bowl fifty two? Five o five five oh five is correct?

2090
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 4: The one they lost?

2091
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 6: I mean, the answer tells me which one it is,

2092
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:10,560
Speaker 6: but I, you know, like the fifty two, I have

2093
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 6: a hard time with those, like knowing which one, which

2094
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:13,840
Speaker 6: one is which.

2095
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, when you watch that game, which I did watch

2096
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 7: it back one time, and like how wide open some

2097
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,879
Speaker 7: of the Patriots receivers were in that game for a Super.

2098
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:26,600
Speaker 6: Bowl is wild And there was a couple of like

2099
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 6: broken plays for like fifty yards.

2100
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:32,679
Speaker 7: Yeah, like chrim the sideline gronk. You know, Brandon Cooks

2101
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 7: before he got hurt obviously had a big catch, and

2102
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 7: these guys there's nobody within twenty yards. Like I have

2103
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 7: no idea what the Eagles secondary was doing.

2104
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 4: So I had to do with the Patriots have won

2105
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 4: that game if Cooks didn't get hurt. Does that happened

2106
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 4: in the first half?

2107
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 14: I thought you were gonna say, Malcolm Butler, it's hard

2108
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 14: to argue that they would have won that game because

2109
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 14: of anything.

2110
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:53,719
Speaker 6: In addition, they could have done offensive. Yeah they didn't punt.

2111
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:57,600
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. If Malcolm Butler plays easily, they win that

2112
01:36:57,680 --> 01:36:58,759
Speaker 7: game easily easily.

2113
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:04,720
Speaker 6: So I had to do a thing for Sailor on TikTok. Yeah,

2114
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 6: I'm not sure if that ever got posted.

2115
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 14: I saw it.

2116
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, it came up on my feed.

2117
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 6: So we were doing like a quick bracket of the

2118
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:15,799
Speaker 6: best postseason games, and she had it on the bracket

2119
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:20,720
Speaker 6: with the Super Bowls with the Roman numerals, and I'm like, yeah,

2120
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 6: we're gonna need to do I need to write the

2121
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 6: numbers out.

2122
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,560
Speaker 4: I always have to do thirty six and work upwards.

2123
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 7: Right, you know.

2124
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 6: But when you just look at it real quick and

2125
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 6: you're like, oh, that's forty nine, Okay, Seattle. But it

2126
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:36,640
Speaker 6: takes me a second to think about what is one.

2127
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 8: It was TikTok loves Paul and Evan.

2128
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I think Seattle is the best one.

2129
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 7: That's my favorite super Bowl. I think obviously the twenty

2130
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:49,599
Speaker 7: eight to three story is more Hollywood, you know, the comeback.

2131
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 7: But just two heavyweights in the middle of the ring

2132
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 7: for four quarters. Yeah, two all time great rosters.

2133
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 4: Yep, Barton Poland, I see Daniels as a Jalen Hurts type,

2134
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:05,600
Speaker 4: someone who you just want and need to maximize on

2135
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:08,639
Speaker 4: the rookie contract, and as soon as they get paid,

2136
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:10,679
Speaker 4: I don't know if they can lead your team without

2137
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 4: the surrounding cast. I think you'd be wasting twenty percent

2138
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 4: of what makes him valuable dropping him into this offense.

2139
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 4: And he's talking about Daniels. That's why I'm declaring myself,

2140
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 4: take Drake May if he's there. If not, trade down, I.

2141
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 6: Mean, I get his Daniels take. I don't get the

2142
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 6: comparison to Hurts.

2143
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 4: There's some passing comparisons to hurt No.

2144
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 6: No, I don't mean as a player, Like he's sort

2145
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 6: of making this line of demarcation about you don't pay them, Like,

2146
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:41,599
Speaker 6: well they pay. They were like eleven and one.

2147
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, was he saying if you take away Hurtz's surround.

2148
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:48,720
Speaker 6: Recording cast, like they're a good team. Yeah, Philadelphia has

2149
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 6: good players, and they went to the Super Bowl and

2150
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 6: had every chance to win it, and the next year

2151
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 6: they were well on their way to do that and

2152
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 6: they fell apart at the end of the like they

2153
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 6: were ten and one right finished the eleven and yeah,

2154
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 6: Like is that because the supporting cast was not there

2155
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 6: like that. That's the only part that I can get.

2156
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,600
Speaker 6: I get the comparisons, you know, obviously stylistically.

2157
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:13,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, this this next email, I don't know what I

2158
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 4: feel about. I might have to go on a rant

2159
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 4: about this one. Wanted to respond to the email. Let

2160
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 4: me know when you decide, Okay, I wanted to respond.

2161
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 4: This is Longino from Jersey. I want to respond to

2162
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 4: the emailer that wants to draft Daniels. Just want to

2163
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:30,839
Speaker 4: say that I honestly believe we don't have the coaching

2164
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 4: staff that fits Daniel's play style. I would love a

2165
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 4: dynamic player like him, but I don't think he'll work

2166
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 4: in whatever system this is. I feel like May is

2167
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 4: the better choice and fits the profile we need for

2168
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 4: this organization. What's your int My My problem with that

2169
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:50,639
Speaker 4: is if we have a coaching style that can't take

2170
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 4: the better player, then I have a problem with our

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Speaker 4: coaching staff.

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Speaker 7: Well, maybe he's not the best. Maybe it's more closely,

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Speaker 7: you know, it's sort of like, you know, the intangible

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Speaker 7: stuff with McCarthy or the record with McCarthy. I wouldn't

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Speaker 7: say that that puts him above the tier two quarterbacks.

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Speaker 7: But if you feel like it's close, and then you

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Speaker 7: have a guy that's got those intangibles. I think it's

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Speaker 7: the same thing with the system, where the system is

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Speaker 7: like maybe the difference maker. Like you if you have

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Speaker 7: a kind of split between Daniels and May, I.

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Speaker 4: Guess if they're close. But if you're saying that Daniels

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Speaker 4: is going to be the better quarterback in the NFL

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Speaker 4: and because of our coaching staff in their system, he

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Speaker 4: wouldn't be a fit in the Patriots, I got a

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Speaker 4: big problem with that.

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Speaker 6: You know, well, yeah, I understand what you're saying on

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Speaker 6: the surface, but if you have an offense that you

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Speaker 6: don't think Daniels would be a better player than May and.

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Speaker 4: Change your offense, oh okay.

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Speaker 7: I just don't know if it's that easy.

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Speaker 6: But like new coaching staff, like why, I mean, because

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Speaker 6: you have a coaching staff that has a system that

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Speaker 6: they want to put in.

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Speaker 9: But I would say that when, by the way, when

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Speaker 9: the Ravens picked Lamar Jackson and they decided to.

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Speaker 8: Go with them, they had to change their whole offense exactly.

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Speaker 8: He's not the same.

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Speaker 6: But they went out and hired a different guy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they hired Greg who is the king of the

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01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:07,320
Speaker 7: mobile quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Do you think it's that drastic between Daniels in May

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Speaker 4: that you would have to hire a.

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Speaker 6: New statf I'm just saying hypothetically, I know, but.

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Speaker 4: I'm asking, does Daniels require as the Patriots exists today?

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01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,520
Speaker 4: Would he require different coaches to be successful?

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Speaker 7: On the surface, I'd say yes, just because I think

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01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 7: a VP wants to run a West Coast Cleveland style offense,

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01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 7: tons of under center, tons of play action, bombs away

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Speaker 7: off of play action, you know, like vertical shots down

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Speaker 7: the field off of that. But do I think that

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01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:43,600
Speaker 7: av Do I think highly enough of a VP that

2212
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 7: he could maybe adjust it? Yeah, but he's not Greg Roman, Like,

2213
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:50,959
Speaker 7: he's not you know, college coach that has the background,

2214
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 7: like a Cliff Kingsbury that has a background in that

2215
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:56,560
Speaker 7: type of offense. So it is different, Like it is

2216
01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:00,040
Speaker 7: stylistically something that I have talked about a lot. But

2217
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:04,560
Speaker 7: that Drake May is the best fit for the traditional

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01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 7: Alex Van Pelt offense, does that mean that Alex van

2219
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 7: Pelt can't morphit to fit Daniels. I know, I mean,

2220
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 7: he's a professional coach, so maybe he could.

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01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 4: That's what I think. I mean.

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Speaker 6: It's football, you know, yeah, that's but that's not true though,

2223
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:23,040
Speaker 6: you know. I mean, I understand your point on the surface,

2224
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:25,479
Speaker 6: but if you have an offense that wants to do

2225
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 6: X and you don't think that that quarterback can do X,

2226
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 6: it doesn't make any sense.

2227
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 7: I want to do what's best for the quarterback, right,

2228
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:34,559
Speaker 7: which means changing the system. And I think the one

2229
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:39,040
Speaker 7: thing that probably got him fired in Cleveland was Deshaun Watson, Right.

2230
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:41,680
Speaker 7: He couldn't build the system around a quarterback like that

2231
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 7: is the thing that got him fired, and that's Jaden Daniels.

2232
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:47,519
Speaker 7: He wanted Deshaun Watson under center, turning around with hard

2233
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:50,920
Speaker 7: play action. And I heard Evan has used this phrase

2234
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 7: with Jaden Daniels. If you want to have him play

2235
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:56,200
Speaker 7: like that, that's sort of taking away his superpower. Right,

2236
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 7: that's a phrase that you've used in the past, and

2237
01:42:58,439 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 7: I agree with it.

2238
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:02,479
Speaker 6: It doesn't mean that he can't do another offense Alex

2239
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 6: van Pelt, but I don't think that's the offense that

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01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 6: he is really a customer running.

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01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 7: Like we're gonna put Jade and Daniels under center and

2242
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:13,480
Speaker 7: then we're gonna hard play action, nine step drop bootleg.

2243
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:15,920
Speaker 7: Then we're gonna have him come off the bootleg and

2244
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:17,840
Speaker 7: we're gonna have him throw it fifty yards down the field.

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01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 7: No, not not the quarterback for that.

2247
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:22,439
Speaker 9: So in.

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01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 4: In Lamar Jackson's first year, he didn't have Greg Roman, right.

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01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 6: I believe they got him after that, but they might

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Speaker 6: have had him, I don't remember.

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Speaker 3: I think he was.

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Speaker 7: I don't think he was the play caller yet. I

2253
01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 7: think he was like on the staff, but I believe

2254
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 7: he was already in the building.

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Speaker 6: I remember John Harbaugh getting a lot of credit for

2256
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 6: sort of scrapping his offense, Yeah, and sort of doing

2257
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 6: it differently with you know, you know, with a change.

2258
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:50,560
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, it was real. It was a I

2259
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 4: think a courageous move to take Lamar Jackson and just

2260
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:57,080
Speaker 4: we're gonna run an offense that's gonna be best for

2261
01:43:57,200 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 4: our quarterback. And I think they've worked.

2262
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:05,639
Speaker 7: He was the tight ends coach the Eagles to seventeen eighteen.

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01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 6: He was assistant head coach, tight ends coach. Yeah, well

2264
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 6: so he wasn't, but he wasn't the play caller until

2265
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:11,720
Speaker 6: the next year.

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Speaker 4: I think they did, but I don't think they really

2267
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:16,080
Speaker 4: started using Hurts the right way until his second year.

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Speaker 7: You know, they definitely turns. His offense is notoriously one

2269
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 7: of the most watered down offenses in the league. Yeah,

2270
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:25,439
Speaker 7: they they run like five different plays. There's like three

2271
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 7: different types of Reid option style plays that they run

2272
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:30,360
Speaker 7: with him, and it's ISO shots to those two receivers

2273
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:33,520
Speaker 7: and push and sixth places.

2274
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Speaker 6: But to that point, they did have a different coach

2275
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:41,560
Speaker 6: come in. Yeah, right, his rookie year. It wasn't the

2276
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:46,559
Speaker 6: same coordinator. Right, wasn't stik in there?

2277
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 7: Yes, Stichen's there. Yeah, I mean I think that that's

2278
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 7: a big reason why they fell off last year, was

2279
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:52,600
Speaker 7: I think he left. I think Stichen might be the

2280
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:55,800
Speaker 7: brain of that entire thing, because they are very simplistic

2281
01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 7: and they just found ways to dress it up differently,

2282
01:44:58,400 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 7: pre snapped to make you think it was something else

2283
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:00,639
Speaker 7: when it wasn't.

2284
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 4: Florian writes in from Germany. Assuming the Patriots take May

2285
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:09,920
Speaker 4: or any other quarterback at three, how do you feel

2286
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 4: about taking wide receivers in round two and three? For

2287
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:16,680
Speaker 4: examples able to get in tz Walker. I don't like that,

2288
01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 4: you know, doubling up. You don't want to do that.

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01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 6: I don't mind doubling up, but not in two and three.

2290
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, too much or to I think that it is

2291
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 7: a if they decide to go receiver with thirty four

2292
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 7: and then they wanted to take two tackles in rounds

2293
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 7: three and four, maybe they have two guys that are

2294
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 7: graded pretty similarly and they both think could project the starters.

2295
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 7: So we're just gonna hedge our bets and take two

2296
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:40,439
Speaker 7: of them, and that double dip I think makes sense

2297
01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 7: they which have done multiple times in the past.

2298
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 6: Right, Or if you take the tackle in the second

2299
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:48,680
Speaker 6: round and you wait till the third round, then I'm

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01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 6: not necessarily minding if you go third and fourth with receivers. Yeah,

2301
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,320
Speaker 6: but I think that you need to take three different

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01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:58,360
Speaker 6: positions with the first three picks.

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01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:01,800
Speaker 4: Emailer rights in and he says, Hello, we host the

2304
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 4: podcast out of Colorado. We're looking for Patriots insiders that

2305
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 4: be interested in being a podcast guest next week to

2306
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:11,160
Speaker 4: discuss the Patriots Draft, and anyone be interested, Paul will

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01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:11,360
Speaker 4: do it.

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01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 7: That's Paul. Why is that Paul?

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01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 6: Actually the one that did the.

2310
01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 7: That was you. I actually have another one tomorrow too.

2311
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:21,360
Speaker 6: I did the main radio station to.

2312
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 7: People up there.

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01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 14: Actually the person that does these is Deuce. You gotta

2314
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:28,200
Speaker 14: you gotta call. You got deuce written on it. You

2315
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:32,639
Speaker 14: gotta in all serious to send us. You know, forward

2316
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:34,800
Speaker 14: that email friend to me and make sure I get it.

2317
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 7: Oh is that a web radio?

2318
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got it.

2319
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 7: I respond to those people. I have a soft spot.

2320
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 4: Remember, you want to reach back down. You're not a

2321
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 4: ladder puller. You keep the ladder down so others can

2322
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:47,759
Speaker 4: reach your heights.

2323
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 7: Right, Okay, do you respond to the heights?

2324
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 4: Heights?

2325
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:57,120
Speaker 7: Heights is a strong word ever to Everest whatever I

2326
01:46:57,280 --> 01:47:00,120
Speaker 7: can't do you listen? Do you respond to like the

2327
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 7: college kids?

2328
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul does a whole school circuit and where he

2329
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 4: goes to like grade schools and high schools and talks

2330
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:09,640
Speaker 4: to them.

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01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:11,560
Speaker 6: This is where he's really a bad guy. You know

2332
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 6: how many times Fred has said to me, like separately,

2333
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:15,760
Speaker 6: like you know, it's really cool that you do that.

2334
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:18,000
Speaker 6: And now he's on Now we were on the radio

2335
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 6: and everybody's listening.

2336
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 4: This morning. You knew that he was he was right.

2337
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:25,840
Speaker 4: You were making fun of him. You said you were mean.

2338
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:26,559
Speaker 7: Well, it was different.

2339
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 6: He was making fun of a tennis that I know, Dennis,

2340
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:29,600
Speaker 6: I know, but.

2341
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:33,720
Speaker 4: He was right. Kind of Yeah, so sometimes you play

2342
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:34,000
Speaker 4: a car.

2343
01:47:34,120 --> 01:47:38,040
Speaker 6: But yeah, I do some some high school stuff, some college.

2344
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 14: I'm going to send them all to you, not because no, no, no,

2345
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 14: you're not going to send them all to me. Just

2346
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 14: wait till you get the wait till you get the

2347
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:44,599
Speaker 14: library circuit.

2348
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:45,799
Speaker 7: I did a couple of live.

2349
01:47:47,320 --> 01:47:50,479
Speaker 4: Paul also does the awards banquet circuit where he talks

2350
01:47:50,479 --> 01:47:50,960
Speaker 4: at awards.

2351
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:52,920
Speaker 7: I don't do couple libraries.

2352
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 9: Oh.

2353
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:54,080
Speaker 7: I do the club.

2354
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 6: I've done the club a couple of times.

2355
01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 4: Club that's ef every club, that's my club.

2356
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 7: A club I've ever said.

2357
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 6: It's like the athletic club.

2358
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:07,120
Speaker 4: It's hard to get into. Can anyone join?

2359
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, as long as you roshdy athlete. Well, I

2360
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,280
Speaker 6: mean I think anybody. It's it's like a charity. It's

2361
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:14,479
Speaker 6: you give scholarships for the current.

2362
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:17,280
Speaker 4: Like the Harvard club.

2363
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:17,720
Speaker 7: They don't.

2364
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:23,160
Speaker 6: I did get a tie with the crest on it

2365
01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:24,599
Speaker 6: the club.

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01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:29,400
Speaker 9: I met someone from your Everett High school Friday. I

2367
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:33,400
Speaker 9: had a panel and doctor Shirker I think is his name.

2368
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 9: He played football and lacrosse there and now he's an

2369
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:37,519
Speaker 9: orthopedic surcher.

2370
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 7: How old is he?

2371
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 8: I have no idea, but.

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01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:46,759
Speaker 4: It's probably after Paul's time, maybe because maybe they have across.

2373
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 6: You can't give every guys every kids.

2374
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:54,760
Speaker 4: It's a weapon. Wow, baseball bat isn't what I went.

2375
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:58,320
Speaker 6: I went. No, A hockey stick isn't either a friend.

2376
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:02,599
Speaker 6: It's a stupid Paul, Why are you killing me today?

2377
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2378
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:07,479
Speaker 4: But anyway, Paul, like he gives back to the kids.

2379
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 7: Make fun of this, but what what I'll take it?

2380
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:13,760
Speaker 7: Who's making fun of you? I try to as well,

2381
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:16,800
Speaker 7: but I always feel like I don't wanna you know,

2382
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 7: not that I love my job, don't get me wrong,

2383
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:21,960
Speaker 7: but you gotta be honest too about about certain things.

2384
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:24,559
Speaker 7: Like one kid asked me, like, what's the work life balance?

2385
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 7: Like I'm like, well, like during football season, not so good,

2386
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 7: it's not so great. Like I'm not gonna lie. I'm

2387
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:33,680
Speaker 7: not gonna sit here and tell you because then you

2388
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Speaker 7: get into it and you don't you know, you're thinking

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01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:37,080
Speaker 7: one thing and then it's a totally different.

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Speaker 6: Ever, catch yourself trying to be so like deep, you know, like,

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01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:43,080
Speaker 6: so what are you interested? I just I love sports? Yeah,

2392
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:44,040
Speaker 6: but do you love to write?

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01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:45,160
Speaker 4: But do you love it?

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01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:46,559
Speaker 8: What's the thing you love?

2395
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:48,240
Speaker 7: Do you really really love it?

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Speaker 9: So it's funny you talked about that because in my

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01:49:50,479 --> 01:49:52,720
Speaker 9: higher view or whatever it's called. They asked me what

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01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 9: work life balance look like for me? Like, is this

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01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:56,080
Speaker 9: a true question?

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01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:59,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that question should never be asked to someone

2401
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:02,160
Speaker 4: going for a job. Been pro sports. Yeah, I mean,

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01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 4: if you're looking for work life balance, go find another professional.

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01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:07,519
Speaker 7: Which is totally fine, Like, you know what you're signing

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01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:10,560
Speaker 7: up for. Just these kids should know that that's what

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01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:13,760
Speaker 7: they're signing up for. You at kids today, they're different, Evan,

2406
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:15,000
Speaker 7: keep in mind, it's different.

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01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:17,880
Speaker 6: It's it's like, you know, working for a hospital, Like

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01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 6: there's no weekends, there's no off days, there's no holidays.

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01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:25,760
Speaker 6: We've had games in recent years on Thanksgiving that's exactly Christmas, Eve,

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01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:29,200
Speaker 6: New Year's. You know, you just you figure it out

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01:50:29,240 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 6: when when the game falls. You work beats working for

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01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:33,639
Speaker 6: a living.

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01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:36,600
Speaker 4: But sure so one of our listeners actually work for

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01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:40,240
Speaker 4: PFF and we've gone back and forth about their grading system.

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01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:42,280
Speaker 4: But he's writing back in.

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01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:44,640
Speaker 6: If I apologize, can we stop talking about this?

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01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 4: He says, I was excited to hear the email read

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01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:51,000
Speaker 4: last week and uh caused some discussion. Normally I listened

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01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:53,559
Speaker 4: to the podcast, but trying to get this on the show.

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01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:57,320
Speaker 4: A couple answers and reactions to the questions. Mike's question

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01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 4: he asked how I graded Vince Wilfork. I actually wasn't

2422
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:03,960
Speaker 4: a greater. I was assigned to watching games and labeling

2423
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 4: each player at each position defensive formations, offensive formations. This

2424
01:51:08,120 --> 01:51:10,040
Speaker 4: was entry level. It used to take me seven to

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01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:13,200
Speaker 4: eight hours per game. It was brutal and the hardest

2426
01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 4: money I ever made. Two people did each game. They

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01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:19,800
Speaker 4: would compare each person's mapping for discrepancies. If you were

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01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:23,080
Speaker 4: one hundred percent accurate, you made one hundred bucks, scaling

2429
01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:26,120
Speaker 4: down to zero if you were less than ninety percent accurate.

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01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:29,920
Speaker 4: I once got zero dollars for a Patriots Raiders game

2431
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:32,360
Speaker 4: where the Raiders swapped out a guard in the third

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01:51:32,439 --> 01:51:35,000
Speaker 4: quarter that they didn't notice. And this was the moment

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01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 4: I knew I couldn't keep doing eight hours of rewatching

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01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:38,519
Speaker 4: per game.

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01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 6: That's a funny start. I don't mean to laugh at you,

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01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:41,719
Speaker 6: but that's a funny story.

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01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:44,559
Speaker 7: I interviewed for one of their positions like that coming

2438
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:49,240
Speaker 7: out of college, and I knew at the beginning that

2439
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:50,680
Speaker 7: this was something that was not.

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01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:52,040
Speaker 4: Going to be worth even for you.

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01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was, because it's like one hundred dollars a game,

2442
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:58,519
Speaker 7: and it just you're charting like, oh, he was the

2443
01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 7: one technique, he was the zero, he was the five,

2444
01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:03,920
Speaker 7: he was this. It's it's tedious, he says.

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01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:08,439
Speaker 4: Overall agreement with Evan. Ultimately I get, I get not

2446
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:10,640
Speaker 4: putting one hundred percent stake in the ratings, But what

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01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:14,880
Speaker 4: PFF tracks is ultimately a net positive and getting a

2448
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,080
Speaker 4: pulse on who is playing well. And a lot of

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01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:20,760
Speaker 4: the metrics they tracked do provide insight. Not surprising that

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01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:23,120
Speaker 4: some NFL players are going to roll their eyes at

2451
01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 4: some of the ratings. But I can also say that

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01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:29,120
Speaker 4: when I was there in twenty eleven twelve, there were

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01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:32,559
Speaker 4: a couple NFL scouting departments that work directly with PFF

2454
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:35,519
Speaker 4: on getting data from them, So the metrics were valued

2455
01:52:35,560 --> 01:52:38,559
Speaker 4: in the NFL, as some departments preferred to use PFF

2456
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:41,720
Speaker 4: to outsource some of those metrics and analysis.

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01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:46,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, they all thirty two teams now have contracts with PFF.

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01:52:46,240 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 7: Is that right?

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01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:48,840
Speaker 4: The entire league bill is no longer what do you

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01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:49,880
Speaker 4: mean contracts with them?

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01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:52,560
Speaker 7: They they subscribe. No, no, no, they like work with

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01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:54,439
Speaker 7: them on the things that they're talking about. Because a

2463
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 7: lot of these tedious jobs like if you can outsource

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01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:00,400
Speaker 7: it and free up people to do things maybe are

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01:53:00,479 --> 01:53:03,799
Speaker 7: more important than mapping out you know, alignments and stuff

2466
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:06,080
Speaker 7: like that. That saves people time and they go do

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01:53:06,200 --> 01:53:09,120
Speaker 7: other things with that time. So PFF for a lot

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01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:10,960
Speaker 7: of these places used a lot of this stuff. I

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01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 7: couldn't agree more about the grades. The grades to me

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01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:15,840
Speaker 7: are like past fail. If you look at them to

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01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:18,439
Speaker 7: like rank, you know, who's the best quarterback versus the

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01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:21,080
Speaker 7: second versus the third, You're probably not gonna get that.

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01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:24,759
Speaker 7: But if a guy has you know, a good grade

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01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:27,200
Speaker 7: and is grading out well in their system, or a

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01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:29,479
Speaker 7: guy has got an F grade in the system that

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01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:32,320
Speaker 7: usually is pretty stable of this guy's had a good season,

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01:53:32,439 --> 01:53:34,200
Speaker 7: that guy's had a not so good scealed Yeah, But I.

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01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:36,160
Speaker 4: Think where people roll the rise is when they say

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01:53:36,280 --> 01:53:39,320
Speaker 4: so and so is the highest gradedlignment, and you know

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01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 4: by watching he's not he should be.

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01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:43,720
Speaker 7: You know, they have a tough time. I would say

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01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:46,000
Speaker 7: with alignment in particular, my.

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01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 6: Problem isn't necessarily the evaluation per se. It's it's all percentages.

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01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:53,559
Speaker 6: And that's why I think, and it's not their fault

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01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:58,599
Speaker 6: that their numbers get interpreted. And I think incorrect ways,

2486
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:02,679
Speaker 6: Like this guy is the best cover corner in the league.

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01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:06,640
Speaker 6: He's played, you know, twenty percent of the snaps, so

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01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:10,680
Speaker 6: that means like he was successful on like, you know,

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01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:14,000
Speaker 6: eighteen of his twenty plays, so he's ranked higher than

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01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:17,479
Speaker 6: Steph Gilmore the year he won Defensive MVP. Like that's

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01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:20,519
Speaker 6: the kind of stuff that I think gets in the mainstream. Yeah,

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01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:23,800
Speaker 6: and again that's not PFF's fault. Yeah, that people don't

2493
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:26,599
Speaker 6: understand how the numbers are arrived at.

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01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:28,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's why we're kind of on the

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01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:31,479
Speaker 7: same page. Like when the Patriots are when we turn

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01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:34,520
Speaker 7: the page to another game another week, I'll pull up

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01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:38,040
Speaker 7: their depth chart page that has like they're starting eleven

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01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 7: on both sides of the ball, and it will have

2499
01:54:40,160 --> 01:54:42,240
Speaker 7: the colors of like, this guy's a good starter, that

2500
01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:44,640
Speaker 7: guy's a bad starter, or whatever, and just to get

2501
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:46,880
Speaker 7: a feel of who's playing well, who's not playing well.

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01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:48,960
Speaker 7: You know what the lineups are, Like, they're very good

2503
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:50,840
Speaker 7: at that. You know, these are the five guys on

2504
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:52,840
Speaker 7: the offensive line that are playing right now. You know,

2505
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 7: this guy's hurt, so he's not in the lineup card.

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01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:56,040
Speaker 7: You know that sort of thing.

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01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 4: Jack writes in in response to Paul ranked against the

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01:55:01,320 --> 01:55:04,720
Speaker 4: defenses against which Michigan has played, I have only this

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01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:09,240
Speaker 4: to say, Michigan twenty seven, Alabama twenty in, Michigan thirty four,

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01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:10,440
Speaker 4: Washington thirteen.

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01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:14,640
Speaker 7: Washington defense wasn't all that great, so that one Washington

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01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:19,320
Speaker 7: defense was terrible. Yeah, Alabama's defense forgot to cover Blake

2513
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:23,440
Speaker 7: Kormon for it down. Yeah, and great throat. Though I think.

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01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:28,280
Speaker 6: I think Alabama was lucky to be in the playoffs.

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01:55:29,120 --> 01:55:30,879
Speaker 8: They should not have been in the playoffs.

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01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:33,560
Speaker 4: I thought it should be and Emory says, I appreciate

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01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:36,720
Speaker 4: the discussion of Big Ten versus ACC, but the league

2518
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:39,440
Speaker 4: disagrees with you. Over the last two drafts, there have

2519
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:42,440
Speaker 4: been ten ACC defenders taken in the first three rounds

2520
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:46,080
Speaker 4: of the draft. For first three, second, three to third,

2521
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:50,840
Speaker 4: the Big Ten has had twenty four. To your point,

2522
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:53,720
Speaker 4: the offenses do contribute to defensive rankings, but there is

2523
01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:56,880
Speaker 4: also simply way more defensive talent in the Big Ten

2524
01:55:57,240 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 4: than the ACC.

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01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:04,400
Speaker 6: Over how many years that I don't know. I don't

2526
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:06,720
Speaker 6: don't understand why we're limiting to just one side of

2527
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:09,840
Speaker 6: the ball. Yeah, as an example of one conference, but

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01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:13,160
Speaker 6: I think those two conferences very comparable. I think Ohio

2529
01:56:13,240 --> 01:56:16,160
Speaker 6: State and Michigan are better than Florida State and Clemson

2530
01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:16,520
Speaker 6: right now.

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01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:17,680
Speaker 8: Agreed.

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01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:19,760
Speaker 6: The rest of it, I think is the same.

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01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:23,440
Speaker 7: I also think that it's you know, you'd start to

2534
01:56:23,480 --> 01:56:26,760
Speaker 7: look at how many defensive players, offensive players are drafted, well,

2535
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:28,760
Speaker 7: when twenty of them are coming out of Michigan and

2536
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:31,440
Speaker 7: Ohio State exactly, then it's you know, it's a little

2537
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 7: bit different. I'm not saying that. Is it like the

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01:56:33,320 --> 01:56:34,560
Speaker 7: ACC has all those towns and.

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01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 6: I'm not even telling you that the Big Ten isn't better.

2540
01:56:37,480 --> 01:56:40,880
Speaker 6: I'm just saying they're comparable. We're talking about the Big Ten.

2541
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:42,760
Speaker 7: It's like like it's the Big Ten and the SEC.

2542
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:44,440
Speaker 7: It's not.

2543
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:46,400
Speaker 6: It's the SEC and everybody else.

2544
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:52,080
Speaker 4: And really you should talk about the teams. It's Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia.

2545
01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:53,960
Speaker 4: You know, it's like ten tens.

2546
01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:55,920
Speaker 6: But I would even say in the in the SEC,

2547
01:56:57,440 --> 01:57:01,640
Speaker 6: give me Texas, A and m give me uh Florida.

2548
01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:04,640
Speaker 6: You know, Florida, you know more often than not Tennessee

2549
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 6: the last few years. Yeah, like the mediocre Missouri was

2550
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:12,640
Speaker 6: really good last Oh yeah, they were the mediocre teams

2551
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:15,600
Speaker 6: in the SEC are far better than n State.

2552
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:17,880
Speaker 7: Always got some some prospects.

2553
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:21,320
Speaker 6: Robinson Ole Miss Ole, miss has had some high end talent.

2554
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:25,920
Speaker 4: L from Wish, Wisconsin. Listening to Fred talk about the

2555
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:28,480
Speaker 4: quarterbacks this year, it's clear that he has some unresolved

2556
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:31,960
Speaker 4: trauma stemming from the mac Jones pick. Probably shut up, Fred,

2557
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:34,120
Speaker 4: All these guys are better than mac Jones. Just look

2558
01:57:34,160 --> 01:57:34,920
Speaker 4: at the bright side.

2559
01:57:35,160 --> 01:57:39,360
Speaker 6: Uh, these all four of these guys are absolutely better

2560
01:57:39,400 --> 01:57:42,960
Speaker 6: than more physically talented. Yes, and I would throw panics

2561
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:45,920
Speaker 6: and make it five yep. Okay, they're all They're all

2562
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:48,680
Speaker 6: more talent, more athletic, better arms.

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01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:51,720
Speaker 4: Okay, well, let's say in something. All Right, that's gonna

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01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:54,840
Speaker 4: be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be

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01:57:54,960 --> 01:58:02,560
Speaker 4: back on Thursday, Thursday, catch twenty two tomorrow. Am all right,

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01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:04,800
Speaker 4: We will see you on Thursday.

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