Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner, and Kyle Yeomans. It's
Speaker 1: another Thursday edition of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show,
Speaker 1: presented by Miller Lank, Kyle Yeoman's, Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh,
Speaker 1: Kevin kat Turner. As we are forty nine days out
Speaker 1: from the NFL Draft in Cleveland, Ohio, and we've got
Speaker 1: some compensatory picks to talk about. The comp picks have
Speaker 1: come in and the Dallas Cowboys have a league wide
Speaker 1: high of four comp picks, and we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: each one of those. But first I wanted to just
Speaker 1: kind of get where everybody's at. It's been a crazy
Speaker 1: week around these parts. If for those of you that
Speaker 1: have been paying attention. Dak Prescott of course signing his
Speaker 1: long term deal with the Cowboys this week, the press
Speaker 1: conference yesterday that I didn't actually get a chance to
Speaker 1: watch yet, I'm gonna be honest with everybody because I
Speaker 1: was doing college basketball. However, I did hear that it
Speaker 1: was an all time great Jeff cabanall and it was
Speaker 1: one that's a classic among Cowboys fans, or it was
Speaker 1: it classic because it was good or bad? Because I'm
Speaker 1: no lie at all. I have not heard even a
Speaker 1: single word from it. I think Kyle that it was
Speaker 1: very very clear that Jerry had missed the microphone. He
Speaker 1: was ready to rock. He was ready to rock. He
Speaker 1: kept the traditional live of circumcising insects. He had himself
Speaker 1: a great time. But yes, we now exist in the
Speaker 1: world where we got cow picks and a quarterback. Life
Speaker 1: is good, Katie? Is it? Is it really that good?
Speaker 1: Because now we can kind of look at the draft
Speaker 1: board with a little bit more accuracy. And sure, I
Speaker 1: mean there's gonna be some pieces that fly in here
Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks with free agency in
Speaker 1: the new league year. But the Cowboys at least have
Speaker 1: that first domino that's fallen. Yeah, And I think the
Speaker 1: comp pick thing is it was the most exciting thing
Speaker 1: of yesterday for me. I mean, look, the dack things great,
Speaker 1: we had I had two days to process that I've
Speaker 1: looked at these COMP picks and going, okay, we knew
Speaker 1: we were gonna get four. We did. Likely one of
Speaker 1: those is gonna be a third rounder. I mean, but
Speaker 1: that's the thing that got my trade bones jumping, Like,
Speaker 1: for instance, m Dane, would you h like to trade
Speaker 1: seventy five and ninety nine to get up to fifty eight?
Speaker 1: Would you like to trade forty four and ninety nine
Speaker 1: to get up to thirty four? Would you like to
Speaker 1: trade forty four and seventy five to get up to
Speaker 1: twenty seven. I'm started thinking about those types of things
Speaker 1: once the COMP pick came in, because look, Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: we all question like, should they have signed the Robert
Speaker 1: Quinn thing? That you got a fourth round pick for
Speaker 1: a fourth round com pick for excellent Robert Quinn was
Speaker 1: terrible for the Beers last year. It was two sacks
Speaker 1: and just beating up and hurt, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what a good decision. Now the Byron thing we can
Speaker 1: question because there's a reason where really scouting these cornerbacks
Speaker 1: really hard. But that's the thing that kind of got
Speaker 1: me a real giddy yesterday was getting all those COMP
Speaker 1: picks in here. I love the wheels turn in there.
Speaker 1: That's there's So with more picks, the more opportunity. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot more things you can do, and you
Speaker 1: can get really really adventurous, and you know, it just
Speaker 1: opens your options with what you can do. So that's
Speaker 1: a lot of fun and I'm just glad to be
Speaker 1: we don't need to be talking about quarterback anymore. And
Speaker 1: when it comes to the draft, we've been saying it
Speaker 1: all year here on this Draft show that it's pointless
Speaker 1: to be talking about these quarterback prospects at ten because
Speaker 1: that's not going anywhere. And thankfully the deal got done,
Speaker 1: so you know we can we can stop that charade
Speaker 1: and focus on the realistic picks at ten. The one
Speaker 1: guy that's not even in this Dallas market is the
Speaker 1: one that's saying that, hey, at least this is over
Speaker 1: with now, which is great because I think all four
Speaker 1: of us share that same sentiment. But I love how Dan,
Speaker 1: even from outside the market, can say, let's just move on.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. It's done. And you mentioned the comp
Speaker 1: pick already at ninety nine that was for Byron Jones. Katie,
Speaker 1: you've mentioned that, So the Cowboys with four top one
Speaker 1: hundred picks which is intriguing in its own right. Then
Speaker 1: round four they have the top comp pick from that
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn deal Dallas Cowboys, picking at one thirty nine.
Speaker 1: Then you've got one seventy nine for the Cowboys in
Speaker 1: round five, and then they go all the way down
Speaker 1: the list in the sixth round at two twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Those are the four comp picks of the Cowboys ultimately
Speaker 1: ended up with and Dan. Whenever you look at the
Speaker 1: depth of this draft and you see all of the
Speaker 1: prospects that could be available in those four rounds, is
Speaker 1: this a good draft to have a league high in
Speaker 1: terms of comp picks because the Cowboys didn't have but
Speaker 1: one last year. And it's also something that you could
Speaker 1: look at as a huge plus because, like Kat just said,
Speaker 1: it's draft capital, but also there could be some prospects
Speaker 1: that are available as well. Yeah, I mean, it's never
Speaker 1: a bad thing to have more picks. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: this year is a little unique because even though I
Speaker 1: do like the depth at certain positions in this draft,
Speaker 1: we have to remember this draft class as a whole
Speaker 1: isn't as deep as maybe some past years because a
Speaker 1: lot of guys went back to school and it's just
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a different dynamic this year.
Speaker 1: So now with that said, again, I still think that
Speaker 1: at certain positions it's a it's a deep group and
Speaker 1: you know, wide receiver, corner, edge rusher, those three especially
Speaker 1: those positions are gonna stretch in terms of depth. But
Speaker 1: you know, I think that it would not. I think
Speaker 1: what smart teams are gonna do is they're gonna use
Speaker 1: some of these draft picks this year to possibly even
Speaker 1: acquire draft picks next year. And so if I'm the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: that's something I'm looking at. Um. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: not talking about maybe the first or second round, but
Speaker 1: outside of those, you know, just being a little open
Speaker 1: minded with how you use your draft capital. It's not okay,
Speaker 1: we've got you know what, ten picks, Okay, we're taking
Speaker 1: ten players. You know, it's maybe trading a fourth rounder
Speaker 1: this year for a third rounder next year, or you
Speaker 1: know what Kat was saying, packaging two of those picks
Speaker 1: to go up and get one better player, quality over
Speaker 1: quantity type of thing. So you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of different directions they can go. So anytime you have
Speaker 1: more picks, the better. Jeff, do you think if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys wanted to this would be that draft because of
Speaker 1: kind of the uncertainty around these opt outs to where
Speaker 1: you could be looking at maybe a twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: draft pick here and there and then shifting back either
Speaker 1: jumping back down to in order to complete that deal,
Speaker 1: or do you want to go for it now and
Speaker 1: have those darts for the dartboard. So I think it
Speaker 1: works either way, and I think the fun part about
Speaker 1: having those picks is correct me if I'm wrong, but
Speaker 1: four that they just had six picks, You add the
Speaker 1: four comp picks. Now you have ten picks. Even if
Speaker 1: you draft really really well, odds are ten dudes aren't
Speaker 1: making your roster. So it's just a matter of which
Speaker 1: way you want to go. And there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: drafting ten players or eleven or twelve players and seeing
Speaker 1: if you can hit on four or five. But I
Speaker 1: love the idea of depending what it is that you're
Speaker 1: looking for, because this is all just gut feeling, right.
Speaker 1: But we think that the Cowboys would like to have
Speaker 1: a free safety. I don't know that Richie Grant makes
Speaker 1: it to forty four, but what if you can get
Speaker 1: him at thirty six, because now you've got extra picks
Speaker 1: to move around. I don't know exactly where each corner
Speaker 1: is going to go, but like, depending what they do
Speaker 1: at number ten, I think you could immediately then turn
Speaker 1: around and go, Okay, guys, let's talk about what we
Speaker 1: don't think we'll make forty four and if we need
Speaker 1: to go up, or let's talk about what won't make
Speaker 1: seventy five and maybe we can go up. And it's
Speaker 1: just it opens up. I think the possibility of guys
Speaker 1: that I think currently exists in no man's land. Like
Speaker 1: one of my favorite players in the draft, Nick Bolton,
Speaker 1: the linebacker round of Missouri. I'd love to haphim as
Speaker 1: a cowboy, but you're not going to pick him at ten,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's making it to forty four.
Speaker 1: But Kat has already drawn us up away to get
Speaker 1: to twenty seven. If you want to go get a guy.
Speaker 1: And we spend a lot of time talking about like
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, I don't think we spend enough time talking
Speaker 1: about Laton Vanderish because that's a thirteen million dollars fifth
Speaker 1: year option, so that might be a need. They have
Speaker 1: so much they need to do on defense, and I
Speaker 1: think the creativity that you're allowed to have. When you
Speaker 1: have ten picks, it makes the draft board, whether they're
Speaker 1: actually going to move around a lot or not. It
Speaker 1: at least makes it fun for us because we can
Speaker 1: draw scenarios to get guys that you think fall in
Speaker 1: the in between. Sorry, well, I just, Jeff, I wanted
Speaker 1: to get your opinion on now that I mean, we
Speaker 1: knew we were these camp picks were coming. But now
Speaker 1: that they are, you know they're here and we know
Speaker 1: what picks they are. Does that change your opinion at
Speaker 1: all about the option of trading back? Are you more
Speaker 1: likely to stay at ten now now that we okay,
Speaker 1: we know we have a third or fourth, we know
Speaker 1: we have ten picks total. Are you are you more
Speaker 1: likely to stay at ten and say let's just get
Speaker 1: the better player as opposed to trying to get cute
Speaker 1: and trying to you know, maybe you know, we could
Speaker 1: maybe maximize this positioning by getting to two good players.
Speaker 1: Does that change your thinking at all? It's being cute.
Speaker 1: That's the thing about mere good. That's why I grew
Speaker 1: all this glorious hair is because I like to be cute.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because where I get torn is I'll
Speaker 1: tell you my biggest struggle in this draft. When the
Speaker 1: Cowboys get on the clock, at least according to me,
Speaker 1: I bet the best players available will be rashaunse Later
Speaker 1: if he's available, Kyle Pitts, who may not make it,
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle, who I'm guessing will be available, the Alabama Watterstrooper.
Speaker 1: Like my best players play offense. And I'm sitting here going, Okay,
Speaker 1: do I just skip over all day and pick one
Speaker 1: of the corners that I really like. I think it's
Speaker 1: still actually inviting for Captain train down to Rhyde because
Speaker 1: see what happens at corner, and I'll pick multiples. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't mind if I'm picking one in the teens
Speaker 1: and then I pick another one in the second or
Speaker 1: third round. So no, I don't think it moves me
Speaker 1: either direction. My problem remains the same that at ten,
Speaker 1: I feel like if I'm picking a defensive player, I'm
Speaker 1: not picking the best player available, and that hurts my heart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of was thinking along the lines. And first
Speaker 1: of all, I'm glad you brought that up about Vanderesh
Speaker 1: because we've talked so much about Lyle Collins and maybe
Speaker 1: Tyrant Smith's injury problems like he lay in Vaanderesh has
Speaker 1: those as well, and you know he's very much a
Speaker 1: question mark, just like those guys are. I do think
Speaker 1: if Slater was the pick, or let's say maybe it
Speaker 1: was Pinastaol or let's say if offensive tackle or even
Speaker 1: offensive player was the pick at ten, like I do
Speaker 1: think that makes me want to keep my picks and
Speaker 1: have three more top one hundred picks been on defense.
Speaker 1: Whereas if I don't go offense at ten and I
Speaker 1: take a corner, let's say we take Farley or Certain,
Speaker 1: That's where I think I'm more likely to maybe go
Speaker 1: get aggressive and say, oh what can I can I
Speaker 1: pair these two together and go up and get married
Speaker 1: or Richie Grant or another cornerback that I'm in love with.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm more more willing to trade if
Speaker 1: I do go defense in the first round, because because
Speaker 1: defense is the immediate thing I have to have, I
Speaker 1: would like to have an offensive tackle. I can skate
Speaker 1: by one more year without drafting an offensive tackle. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't recommend it, but like I can do it, you
Speaker 1: can't do that at defense. So like to me, what
Speaker 1: you're saying you have makes sense, Like what happens at
Speaker 1: ten determines how aggressive I'm gonna get with those picks.
Speaker 1: But to me, I was thinking about this real hard.
Speaker 1: I was like, would you rather have three top sixty
Speaker 1: picks or four top one hundred picks, because that's what
Speaker 1: you have if you trade ninety nine and seventy five
Speaker 1: if you bump those up, that goes inside the top sixty.
Speaker 1: So three top sixty picks or four top one hundred picks.
Speaker 1: And I think it's probably for me three top sixty
Speaker 1: picks probably, But you know, it's the old age, old question.
Speaker 1: Show me who I'm drafting, and then I'll answer the question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: put them on the board. Tell me who's on the
Speaker 1: board with those Yeah. I admit it's a cop out answer,
Speaker 1: but like it's it's something to think about. It is
Speaker 1: something to think about. In the Cowboys will certainly be
Speaker 1: looking that direction. They could use those picks maybe on
Speaker 1: some defensive lineman. And we were gonna talk defensive line
Speaker 1: on the Tuesday show with Bucky, Brian and Dave, but
Speaker 1: a little bit of big news kind of hit instead,
Speaker 1: and there was a quarterback that signed a big contract,
Speaker 1: so we kind of pushed the defensive line aside. Plus,
Speaker 1: I think this is a great group. They'll talk about
Speaker 1: defensive line because well, it's not necessarily the first or
Speaker 1: second round where those guys are being mentioned. Sure, there's
Speaker 1: the Christian Barmore's of the world, and maybe Tyler Shelbyn
Speaker 1: from LSU and Levi aon Zerique from Washington, But ultimately,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys are going to draft defensive line, Dane,
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be in the second, third, fourth rounds
Speaker 1: if they're gonna try and spend any kind of extra
Speaker 1: premium to pick on that position. Yeah, and I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not a defensive tackle in this class
Speaker 1: that's a lock top twenty five pick, even Christian Barmore,
Speaker 1: who you know, I think is probably the clear favorite
Speaker 1: to be the first defensive tackle drafted, but he's not
Speaker 1: guaranteed to go top twenty five, maybe an even top
Speaker 1: or even the first round. So it's just a it's
Speaker 1: an interesting group, and I think it depends on what
Speaker 1: type of tackle you're looking for. You know, you've got
Speaker 1: a guy like owns Erricke, who's you know, a violent,
Speaker 1: more of a one gap guy, or the USC kid
Speaker 1: Tya Popolo. I don't think I said that right, But
Speaker 1: that's okay, you know what I mean? Uh, you know
Speaker 1: he's he's he's better as a run defender. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know much juice he's going to give you
Speaker 1: as a pass pass rusher. Um, you know Davean Nixon,
Speaker 1: he's more of that one gap guy who is a
Speaker 1: really good athlete, just you know, needs to learn how
Speaker 1: to be a better football player. Um. You know Tommy
Speaker 1: TOGII is a high floor type of run stopper. You
Speaker 1: know you wonder about, right, you wonder about how much
Speaker 1: better he can be as as a pass rusher. Is
Speaker 1: he just kind of you know he is what he
Speaker 1: is just a a stout, you know. Um, you know
Speaker 1: two down player Elim McNeil, another guy who is explosive
Speaker 1: and you know, I see a lot of Javon Hargrave there.
Speaker 1: But again you wonder about what's the value there in
Speaker 1: terms of second down, third down. Um. So this, this
Speaker 1: defensive tackle class is really interesting because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of different options, a lot of different ways you could go,
Speaker 1: and I think you could find decent value in the
Speaker 1: third round, similar to the way they did last year
Speaker 1: with the Oklahoma kids. So, um, you know this this
Speaker 1: defense tackle class. Even though you know it's not strong
Speaker 1: at the top in terms of first round, second, third,
Speaker 1: or fourth round, you know there's there's plenty of options,
Speaker 1: and these teams are gonna to do their homework, no doubt,
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a sweet spot for defensive line.
Speaker 1: But Jeff, whenever Dane already mentioned it, you've spent premium
Speaker 1: picks on interior defensive linemen each of the last two drafts.
Speaker 1: You talk about Neville Gallimore last year out of Oklahoma
Speaker 1: in the third and then the year prior, Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: out of UCF at the second. Are the Cowboys even
Speaker 1: remotely in a position to be able to spend another
Speaker 1: top pick, top one hundred pick on a defensive lineman
Speaker 1: and interior defensive lineman after they've already kind of established
Speaker 1: that they're trying to build that around those two guys.
Speaker 1: I think so only because I think rule number one
Speaker 1: in team building should be what we've done before doesn't
Speaker 1: matter now. I think there is a question to ask
Speaker 1: if you could do what you want to do on
Speaker 1: the defensive line better. In free agency, I think there's
Speaker 1: a good group of agent guys out there. They can
Speaker 1: step in and be a starting nose tackle for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But you know you spent a first round pick on
Speaker 1: a linebacker, the thirty fourth overall pick, and a second
Speaker 1: contract on a linebacker, and those guys didn't play well
Speaker 1: last year. So if I'm the Cowboys, I think I
Speaker 1: think I'm really prioritizing not necessarily a Nevill Gallimore or
Speaker 1: a Tristan Hill type, who were more of those one
Speaker 1: gap guys that Dane's talking about. But I'm looking for
Speaker 1: the two gapper and I don't know, Dane named a
Speaker 1: guy like the USC guy, And there's a t in
Speaker 1: there somewhere that I think you missed, but I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna get it right either, but to to give or
Speaker 1: take um, but like, yeah, there's I think there's some
Speaker 1: guys in this draft that really interest me in that.
Speaker 1: And teams are on the NFL are going to value
Speaker 1: obviously the pass rushing guys more, but I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys that are in the unique position that I want
Speaker 1: them to add the big body. I want them to
Speaker 1: add the nose tackle because I think it gives your
Speaker 1: linebackers a better chance to play well. And it's just
Speaker 1: a matter of what do you realistically think you're going
Speaker 1: to hit out of a rookie nose tackle or should
Speaker 1: you take that a different direction and say, oh, Dalvin
Speaker 1: Tomlinson's a free agent, Hello, here's some money and fix
Speaker 1: it up that way. This is a part of the year,
Speaker 1: like if you're you know, you're watching tape on these
Speaker 1: guys and you're searching for positions. But sometimes, at least
Speaker 1: for me, and I know Dane's seen you know, way
Speaker 1: way way more, But for me this time of the year,
Speaker 1: it's always fun because you're finding guys who might be
Speaker 1: six or seventh round gym, so they always pop up.
Speaker 1: It feels like we always fall in love with the
Speaker 1: one technique late in the draft. But we've spent so
Speaker 1: much time talking about defensive tackle, and I do think
Speaker 1: it just needs to be kept in mind that, hey,
Speaker 1: if you can find a defensive end that you might
Speaker 1: like a little bit better than Dorance Armstrong and Bradley
Speaker 1: and I it's the age old thing that we've did
Speaker 1: that we played with Sean Lee for years. Is like
Speaker 1: you should never go into a season banking on Sean
Speaker 1: Lee to be there. All right, Well, I would say
Speaker 1: the same thing about Randy Gregory. You know, I love
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, but they're banking on him to be their
Speaker 1: starting defensive end, and I'm not sure that's a great idea.
Speaker 1: I want him there. I believe in him, I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, I hope he's the guy, but I think
Speaker 1: we all know it would be a little bit foolish
Speaker 1: to just assume that Randy's going to be there. Um
Speaker 1: so like that sort of very unavailable will no longer
Speaker 1: make him unavailable? I hope so, But the NFL is weird,
Speaker 1: and I don't trust Again, I'm gonna trust the policies,
Speaker 1: Like I'm the guy who doesn't think Randy should have
Speaker 1: ever missed time. Uh like, so it's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: always it's always a strange, strange thing for me, like
Speaker 1: on that conversation, and I know it's always always makes
Speaker 1: me sick when people are like, oh, so, I know
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous, like you don't even know the situation. But
Speaker 1: like again, banking on him to be there because of
Speaker 1: the league, because of everything involved a bad decision. So
Speaker 1: I'm looking at defensive end too, so I don't Dane
Speaker 1: on the Athletic put out to two articles this top
Speaker 1: twelve defensive tackles and defensive ends. There's also some guys
Speaker 1: you know who played defensive and sometimes they were the
Speaker 1: three four. They played defensive end, but you know, maybe
Speaker 1: their best role is mumping inside on pass rushing downs
Speaker 1: and playing inside. Um. You know, I kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: Diggi Zoowa, the UCLA guy. Oh so Diggi Zoowa and
Speaker 1: you remember his brother from a few years ago. So like,
Speaker 1: there's guys like that, and I think can be found
Speaker 1: on Day three, but maybe it's early day three and
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we got an extra fourth, fifth, and six
Speaker 1: year out pick yesterday. Now, I think the guy that
Speaker 1: stands out to me um a defensive tackle that's just
Speaker 1: so intriguing as Tyler Shelvin at LSU UM. I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy, I once scout tell me that he could
Speaker 1: be Vince Wolfolk if he wanted to be Wow. And
Speaker 1: so that's just what it comes down to, is just
Speaker 1: understanding where he is mentally. Um, does he have the
Speaker 1: motivation to do that? Is it something that you can
Speaker 1: coach into the guy? Um? If not, then it's a
Speaker 1: non starter, and you know, you move on. You know,
Speaker 1: if you just decide that he's lazy weight is going
Speaker 1: to be an issue with him and you just move on.
Speaker 1: But if you think that there's something there in terms
Speaker 1: of a spark that you can light, he's really really intriguing.
Speaker 1: I think because of his issues, he's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: there on day three and out of you know, there
Speaker 1: might be a good value pick if you believe there's
Speaker 1: a chance he could pan out, you know. And Katie
Speaker 1: mentioned this a little bit ago, but I like the
Speaker 1: point he brought up about edge rusher because edge rushers
Speaker 1: kind of with all of the knees. I mean, Jeff
Speaker 1: said it earlier when we were talking about compics. You
Speaker 1: could go anywhere from the Cowboys defense and find a
Speaker 1: hole to fill. It could be linebacker, it could be corner,
Speaker 1: it could be safety. But edge rusher is kind of
Speaker 1: one of those that you have kind of written off
Speaker 1: and put on the back burner at the moment. But
Speaker 1: should be should we really be doing that if you're
Speaker 1: looking at this Cowboys roster because Randy Gregory, like you said,
Speaker 1: and I'm not even really worried about the off the
Speaker 1: field affecting his on the field stuff. It's more of
Speaker 1: the fact that he missed so much time. Is he
Speaker 1: going to be consistent enough to be a good starting
Speaker 1: edge rusher in the NFL. I once again, I think
Speaker 1: he can be. However, that's not a certain and it
Speaker 1: never is a certain in this league. So where's the
Speaker 1: sweet spot for edge rusher Dane? Because once again, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna be a first or second round pick. Most likely.
Speaker 1: It depends on how the board draws, and of course
Speaker 1: the way that the Cowboys want to shift around if
Speaker 1: they wanted to shift picks and whatnot. But where is
Speaker 1: that sweet spot for edge rusher if the Cowboys wanted
Speaker 1: to look that direction, much like how they might if
Speaker 1: it's interior defensive linemen, Well, it's probably that that second
Speaker 1: round pick, because you there's a good chance we don't
Speaker 1: have any defensive tack or defensive ends. Go and say
Speaker 1: the first fifteen picks, Okay, so you know, let's look
Speaker 1: at the top eight or nine pass rushers in this group.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got Augillary and Quittipey and Jalen Phillips
Speaker 1: and o Way and Rousseau and bash him and try
Speaker 1: on Osai. One of these guys is gonna fall to
Speaker 1: forty four, you know, probably more than one. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think that there could be value there with whichever
Speaker 1: one of those guys falls, and then even in the
Speaker 1: third round with a guy like Rashad Weaver from Pitt
Speaker 1: or Patrick Jones his teammate at Pitt, and in the
Speaker 1: fourth round Chauncey Golston. So second, third, fourth round, there's
Speaker 1: going to be some pass rush options. And you know
Speaker 1: it might be where there's a player at safety or
Speaker 1: corner that they have rated higher that might be available.
Speaker 1: But I think second, third, fourth round there's going to
Speaker 1: be a pass rusher available at that point that's going
Speaker 1: to at least make them stop and think and consider
Speaker 1: them at that point, Jeff. And it is so to
Speaker 1: Dane's point, like when you asked, like what round is
Speaker 1: the sweet spout, in my mind immediately went to the
Speaker 1: exact same pick because I don't think you're gonna pick
Speaker 1: one at ten, because I don't think there's one that's
Speaker 1: deserving of the tenth overall pick. And will there be
Speaker 1: some in this class that we'll look back and be like,
Speaker 1: oh I should have been picked at the top ten. Sure,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just a matter of figuring out with one.
Speaker 1: Basham is a name that is really intriguing to me.
Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips is a name that's really intriguing to me.
Speaker 1: That's Wake Forest and that's Miami, and it's just a
Speaker 1: matter of, you know, how does this board fall. And
Speaker 1: it makes me think, because I've seen the Cowboys do
Speaker 1: this before, that I can almost draw this map of
Speaker 1: how this draft goes that if there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of moving around that get ready for Patrick Certan or
Speaker 1: Caleb Farley at ten and at forty four, if the
Speaker 1: right safety is there, maybe they do like maybe you
Speaker 1: go a different position, but I really feel like it
Speaker 1: lines up that if you want an edge guy, forty
Speaker 1: four is the spot. And everybody may have different favorites
Speaker 1: for that, and dan Quinn may have different favorites for that.
Speaker 1: But the two names for me which are my edges
Speaker 1: three and four is Jalen Phillips and Carlos Basham, which
Speaker 1: one if one of you gets there, I think they're
Speaker 1: absolutely worth the pick. The positions so important. That's the
Speaker 1: thing is, even if you feel like I'm rock solid
Speaker 1: with Tank and I like and believe in Gregory, I
Speaker 1: want four good edges if I can find them, and
Speaker 1: most teams don't have it. But just you know, between
Speaker 1: your depth chart and just the positional value, how important
Speaker 1: it is. I think it lines up pretty well at
Speaker 1: forty four, and it's where what they do at ten
Speaker 1: really does change the way you think about the draft,
Speaker 1: because what if it is let's say it's a slater
Speaker 1: the tackle from Northwestern at ten, and you're there, well,
Speaker 1: that's what you're thinking. But then they're like, oh man,
Speaker 1: we didn't think, you know, bash them or Ronnie Perkins
Speaker 1: would be there or you know, or something like that.
Speaker 1: And let's say they like the guy and they go
Speaker 1: defensive end at forty four. It feels like if that happens,
Speaker 1: then they might might get aggressive and pair seventy five
Speaker 1: and ninety nine to get up to fifty eight and
Speaker 1: get a corner, because I know there'd be a lot
Speaker 1: of Cowboys fans freaking out if you had gotten through
Speaker 1: two rounds of this draft and they still haven't drafted somebody,
Speaker 1: I would be freaking out. I feel like that would
Speaker 1: cause a little bit of chaos surround here. I think
Speaker 1: the other pass rush I want to throw out there, Uh,
Speaker 1: Ronnie Perkins from Oklahoma. I think that you know this.
Speaker 1: They went defensive line from Oklahoma last year. They could
Speaker 1: do it again. On day two this year. Um, I
Speaker 1: think he has a lot of things that say Cowboys,
Speaker 1: including a six game suspension for testing positive. But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: he's Uh, I believe it. It was just a field
Speaker 1: drug test, so it's just a little THHC in there,
Speaker 1: I believe right. Yeah, yeah, I couldn't care less. So,
Speaker 1: I mean this guy's got he's got length, he's got power,
Speaker 1: he's balanced, he can free himself from blocks. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: he was really productive for OU, So I think he
Speaker 1: could be a name that's on the radar there at
Speaker 1: forty four. Well, then I'm gonna throw in a name
Speaker 1: because I like Peyton Turner at Houston. Just super long, versatile,
Speaker 1: a little bit of tackle, a little bit of end,
Speaker 1: knows how to use that length. He's uh, he's got it.
Speaker 1: I think I like more than others. I've got him
Speaker 1: as like a second round guy. Am I too high? Dane?
Speaker 1: Is that too high? No? That's uh yeah, I've got
Speaker 1: a I got a late too on him, So I
Speaker 1: mean I'm pretty close. I mean he's What I love
Speaker 1: most about him is he makes some plays that he
Speaker 1: has no business making because his effort is consistent, the
Speaker 1: motor doesn't quit and you'll love to see that. And
Speaker 1: I think you're you're right about the versatility he can
Speaker 1: kick in and you know, reduce inside on third downs. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's your new Crawford on that defensive line.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to like about Turner. While we're throwing
Speaker 1: out names that we like, I know you guys talked
Speaker 1: about this earlier, but I have heard rumblings that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys do like Tommy tom Guy out of Ohio State.
Speaker 1: I know you guys just talked about him a minute ago,
Speaker 1: and I threw an inn in his name that is
Speaker 1: not actually in his name. It's I think it's to Guy.
Speaker 1: Is that it Dane? Is it just Tommy Toga toy Togy? Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's like an e, but that not actually an
Speaker 1: E tokey? I Tommy Tokey. I. Yeah, I've heard him.
Speaker 1: I've heard rumblings the Cowboys do like what he puts
Speaker 1: out on film. So maybe that's somebody they look at.
Speaker 1: Where would he be sweet spot? Is that a third
Speaker 1: fourth round guy? I think third round, mid third round.
Speaker 1: I think right where right about where they're picking. And
Speaker 1: you know he's that one technique, you know, he's he's
Speaker 1: stout he's his strength out standing. He's also got some
Speaker 1: flexibility to him. I mean, he was really the defensive
Speaker 1: MVP of the Buckeyes that late run they made this year.
Speaker 1: In the Big Ten Championship game against Clemson, he was outstanding.
Speaker 1: And then he didn't play in the national title game
Speaker 1: because of because of COVID, so uh and you could
Speaker 1: tell his absence was definitely felt in that in that contest.
Speaker 1: So a lot to like about him. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much pass rush he's gonna give you, and so
Speaker 1: I think just understanding what a strengths are um. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a dominant run stopper who has a little bit
Speaker 1: of upside as a pass rusher. While defensive line might
Speaker 1: be a sneaky need for the Dallas Cowboys, tight end
Speaker 1: might be a sneaky need for other teams. And if
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts falls to pick number ten, could the Cowboys
Speaker 1: trade out of that pick for a team that wants
Speaker 1: to go up and get the Florida tie. And we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that scenario and a couple other things
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Speaker 1: Time now for some Twitter on the twenty Twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty Chris Beam on top of things back here
Speaker 1: in the SWBC Mortgage studios, and we've got some good
Speaker 1: questions to start off. And the first one that I
Speaker 1: want to get to is the one that I teased
Speaker 1: going into the break, and this comes from Ernie. He
Speaker 1: says Kyle. If the quarterback falls to pick number ten.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, excuse me, I'm looking at the wrong question, Ernie.
Speaker 1: I love your question. We've answered that before though on
Speaker 1: this show. If the quarterback falls to ten, who could
Speaker 1: trade down? But base basically the same question, but with
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. We've talked about some of the teams that
Speaker 1: need quarterbacks. We've talked about some of those trade down
Speaker 1: options potentially for the Cowboys, like the Colts or the
Speaker 1: Bears and things of the sort along the way that
Speaker 1: could be trying to come up and get a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Are there any teams, Jeff, that you see a little
Speaker 1: bit further down the list that would be really interested
Speaker 1: in coming up and getting Kyle Pitts if he should
Speaker 1: fall to pick number ten, I should want Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1: And that's the only thing I struggle with about Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts is just battling kind of history, right, We're like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're the great tight ends in the league come from
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, I'm not in the top ten.
Speaker 1: But I can't hold that against him. He's a monster,
Speaker 1: He's a stud. I would just pick him. Answer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've accidentally fallen in love with Kyle Pitts and Jalen Waddle,
Speaker 1: Which that's what I do, right, I want to pick Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just that they're they're both unfair, they're just the
Speaker 1: mismatch that Kyle Pitts is is incredible. Yeah, just pick him,
Speaker 1: Like sure, yes, there are other teams that I think
Speaker 1: would be interested in him, and it's all of the teams.
Speaker 1: So like, could you trade away from Kyle Pitts and
Speaker 1: get some value for that? Maybe not like quarterback value.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna hold somebody up, but man, everybody should
Speaker 1: want Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts is a he's a rock star.
Speaker 1: He's a freak show. When I go to twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: there's a good chance Michael Gallup is not on this team,
Speaker 1: and there's a chance that Blake Jarwin's on this team.
Speaker 1: So what's the point, I mean, what's wrong with having
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts on your team? Then? Like, I know we
Speaker 1: all think immediately, and we should, but we also did
Speaker 1: just sign our quarterback to a pretty long extension. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be here a while. Like I understand the idea
Speaker 1: of like, oh, we gotta go for it now because
Speaker 1: we haven't been to a championship game in all those
Speaker 1: three decades. I understand. But Kyle Pitts is not stopping
Speaker 1: you from going forward. Oh no, he's not. He's not.
Speaker 1: So like, let's just, you know, take the good player
Speaker 1: right there. So I ain't mad at him. I know
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of freak out if that
Speaker 1: does happen. I'm mad at him. You take the guy
Speaker 1: who's awesome. Yeah, there is no question that's I'm not
Speaker 1: trading away from Kyle Pitts. I'm not gonna beat that guy,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I think, I mean. Jeff's point is, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's factual. We don't see a lot
Speaker 1: of tight ends drafted top ten pan out the way
Speaker 1: that you know, the you would expect. But I just
Speaker 1: we'd never seen a guy like Kyle Pitts. That's not hyperbole,
Speaker 1: you know, like we we just we don't see guys
Speaker 1: like Kyle Pitts very often. His athleticisms, ball skills. I
Speaker 1: just it's it's rare, and he's getting better and better. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, like, uh, in high school he was he
Speaker 1: was not like a pass cat. He was a quarterback
Speaker 1: and defensive end. He wanted to be a tight end.
Speaker 1: He had actually transfer schools to a place where they
Speaker 1: let him play tight end. He wanted He was playing
Speaker 1: quarterback and he wanted to play tight end. He wanted
Speaker 1: to be Jared Cook, he wanted to be Eric Ebroun. Yeah, Hill,
Speaker 1: and well, I mean he's a smart guy. He knows
Speaker 1: where his strings are and so. But the high school
Speaker 1: that he transferred to, they were basically a power run team,
Speaker 1: so he was blocking more than he was catching the
Speaker 1: football and then you know, didn't too much as a
Speaker 1: freshman at Florida. Last year, as a sophomore, he had
Speaker 1: like six drops. I mean, you saw the talent, but
Speaker 1: it was you know, flashes more so than consistency. And
Speaker 1: based off of flashes, I still he was I think
Speaker 1: the eleventh overall player on my board coming into the
Speaker 1: year this year zero drops, and we saw just a
Speaker 1: polished pass catcher, a polished weapon. So he's getting better
Speaker 1: and better and that's kind of scary. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: if somehow he's available at ten, I'm drafting him and
Speaker 1: I'm feeling great about it, and I'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: If you miss Kyle Pitts with your throw, like if
Speaker 1: you have a really bad quarterback and you miss five
Speaker 1: I don't know, eleven yards, he'll catch it. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter where the ball is, it doesn't matter. We all
Speaker 1: just talked a big game right there, though. I want
Speaker 1: to do a quick exercise, and it may sound crazy
Speaker 1: since we're all at different remote locations. Kyle away in
Speaker 1: as well. Yep, I'm gonna count us down three two one,
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna yell out the player. You would
Speaker 1: take it ten. If it's Slater, I'll even throw Pina
Speaker 1: Sul in there, so we're having fun. Slater, Seul, Pits Wattle,
Speaker 1: Certan Farley three two one Pits Slater. Oh, I guess
Speaker 1: if you threw Seul in there, I would I would
Speaker 1: pick Seul, but Slaters it would be offensive tackle there
Speaker 1: for me, I think out of the bunch. If if
Speaker 1: it's all those players, huh, you dirty dog. You didn't
Speaker 1: play the game, I said, Pitts. I just kind of
Speaker 1: said it, not loud, but I don't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like, well, here's the problem with the kat games.
Speaker 1: Kate T's games and game shows. They're always great, but
Speaker 1: the rules get sworked squarely on you and you don't
Speaker 1: give prep time because like Sewel and Slater are both
Speaker 1: those two and Pits they're all probably for me. If
Speaker 1: you eliminate the quarterbacks, they might be the three best
Speaker 1: players in the draft class. I mean, yep, you're not
Speaker 1: you If you told me they picked Pinay Suel, Rashaan
Speaker 1: Slater or Kyle Pitts, I would say, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a lot of the fan base it's like, what the hell, man,
Speaker 1: when are you gonna fix the defense? And I would
Speaker 1: just go, well, they picked a dude that deserves to
Speaker 1: be picked in the top ten, and you're picking a
Speaker 1: guy for a half decade maybe ten years, So good pick. Like,
Speaker 1: you're not going wrong with any of them. You're not that.
Speaker 1: The top five players in this draft non quarterbacks for
Speaker 1: me are Sewel, Chase Pits, Waddle, and then Slater, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. To me, it was a a top
Speaker 1: five player and then after that it's you know, maybe Farley.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the top five players in this class non
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are those five guys, and probably none of the
Speaker 1: five will be there for you a ton. Oh what
Speaker 1: a jerk. Probably it's a good chance, but hey, you
Speaker 1: know what, that really works out because it takes the
Speaker 1: pressure off the Cowboys. They're just like, all right, we
Speaker 1: can take certain and feel fine about it. Yeah, that's trude.
Speaker 1: We're not skipping over somebody that we love. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because as if any of those five guys falls and
Speaker 1: you don't take him, and then you take the guy
Speaker 1: that you're pretty much supposed to I guess, or that
Speaker 1: you've been pigeonholed into picking, which is Patrick's Utan or
Speaker 1: Kay Lafarley, then you're gonna look at the other guys
Speaker 1: down the road, and man, man, what about that guy
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts that we could have had, but instead he's
Speaker 1: going along and playing really well for I don't even
Speaker 1: know who the team is directly behind the Cowboys at
Speaker 1: this very moment. But here's another question, and I just
Speaker 1: go for Oka saying we need to do another show,
Speaker 1: because I'll go eleven hours on how Jalen Waddle doesn't
Speaker 1: move like other people move. Jaylen Waddle is Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm like he's going to be a New York Giant
Speaker 1: at eleven Oh No, You're just gonna have to hope
Speaker 1: he pulls a hamstring or something. Because I saw Jalen
Speaker 1: Waddle Labama receiver get covered once and it's because they
Speaker 1: ran a bracket with a deep safety and one of
Speaker 1: the bracket guys held him like that. You can't cover
Speaker 1: Jaylen Waddle and the acceleration, the speed, the change of directions.
Speaker 1: And I'd say, what, I don't even think he's a
Speaker 1: very good route runner and you can't cover him because
Speaker 1: he just moves different than everyone else. It's not fair.
Speaker 1: He's a lot better route runner than he was last year.
Speaker 1: I think he's really improved. But yeah, he's he's more
Speaker 1: he's like hesitate and go like it's mostly just physical
Speaker 1: and it's and it's, oh my god, it's incredible that work.
Speaker 1: I mean, just the threat of his speed has defenders
Speaker 1: just like, okay, what do we do? What do we do? Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta play off, I gotta okay, I
Speaker 1: gotta jump on his first movement, I gotta. I mean
Speaker 1: it just it. It creates doubt in the minds of corners.
Speaker 1: It's great, but I mean, honestly, I don't know does
Speaker 1: he make it that far. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: makes it out of the top nine picks. Because he
Speaker 1: is that good. He belonged somewhere in the first in
Speaker 1: the first nine picks. So we're picking three quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the top ten, three wide receivers in the top ten,
Speaker 1: two offensive tackles. What would that be. That's tight picks
Speaker 1: right there. That's say four quarterbacks, four quarterbacks go top nine,
Speaker 1: and then you got, uh so five more picks and
Speaker 1: if it's sewell, Chase Pits and Wattle Slater and then
Speaker 1: well then let's say those four and then you've got
Speaker 1: and then that last pick before comes down the Slater Farley.
Speaker 1: Maybe Parsons, I mean, really, that's realistic for the top nine.
Speaker 1: You know you're looking at You're looking at Sir Tan
Speaker 1: Slater Farley. I mean that we've been kind of talking
Speaker 1: about those three all along. But Parsons, if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will do it, I would tell Parsons, which honestly, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know you guys aren't as excited about him, But
Speaker 1: as long as I'm comfortable with the character, um, I'm yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I don't sound I don't know enough about the character too. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we've we hear things secondhand, and so
Speaker 1: you know, we don't know one hundred percent. But if
Speaker 1: I'm a team and I'm comfortable with the character. He's
Speaker 1: the top ten talent. Easy for me. Um, let me
Speaker 1: ask you that is this? Uh, if the pick is certain,
Speaker 1: are you excited about that? No? But I'm comfortable. That's
Speaker 1: I think that's the perfect way to say it. Like,
Speaker 1: because I'm not gonna be sitting there like high five
Speaker 1: in people like we did last year when ceedee lamb.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be toasted beers and and and throwing
Speaker 1: a celebration or running to the star and back. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be saying, Okay, that's a good pick. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a pick that we made. And now let's move
Speaker 1: on and let's try and fix this defense a little more.
Speaker 1: That's a pick that's one we may I feel fine about.
Speaker 1: Let's let's say, don't go back to like the realistic option.
Speaker 1: Just say I don't think the Cowboys would do the
Speaker 1: whole pits thing, but they might, but like the realistic
Speaker 1: options of offensive tackle or cornerback. Like I listened to
Speaker 1: the Draft show on Tuesday, it was a good fight
Speaker 1: that Bucky and Brian and Dave were having about well,
Speaker 1: what would you rather have that second round group of
Speaker 1: cornerbacks or that second round group of offensive tackles, and
Speaker 1: I think I would rather be in the mix with
Speaker 1: that second round group of cornerbacks. So I mean, if
Speaker 1: Certan's the pick, I feel fine about the flexibility that
Speaker 1: it gives me for the rest of the draft. But
Speaker 1: I think I would be more excited about maybe Rashawn
Speaker 1: Slater and kind of trying to revitalize that offensive line
Speaker 1: and then getting one of what I could do in
Speaker 1: the second round. But then again, I'm more excited about
Speaker 1: drafting Kyle Pitts just because potential to be the best
Speaker 1: player in the draft. Soe, Farley or Slater, you have
Speaker 1: to take one of those team players at ten. Can't
Speaker 1: you take Slater? Thank you? I haven't. I haven't grated higher,
Speaker 1: but like it's close Slater, Yeah, I mean I think Slater.
Speaker 1: So for me personally, I think Farley is tantalizing talent,
Speaker 1: but I actually think Farley's a risky pick. I think
Speaker 1: in the top ten. I think in the top ten
Speaker 1: if I picked for Shawn Slater, you'll have some people
Speaker 1: who are questioning, like, well, not the prototypical build. But
Speaker 1: I would just be like, guys, I picked a stud
Speaker 1: left tackle for the next twelve years, And I think
Speaker 1: the way people talk about Pinay Soul, they should be
Speaker 1: saying Pinay Soul and Rashawn Slater. I think that's how
Speaker 1: good I think he is. Wow, that's I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a high praise because Pinay Soul and we've talked about
Speaker 1: this previously, and I know, Dane, one of the first
Speaker 1: shows that we did, you said Pinay Souls the best
Speaker 1: non quarterback in this draft? Is he still that guy
Speaker 1: for you? Just really quickly? Yeah? For a twenty year old,
Speaker 1: what he's doing out there is just silly. But I
Speaker 1: really do like Slater as well. I mean, he's he's
Speaker 1: a bona fide top ten pick in this draft and
Speaker 1: a really good player. And if that's if that's the
Speaker 1: pick of ten, I'd be excited if I was a cowboy. Gosh,
Speaker 1: isn't this so much fun? Being able to make these
Speaker 1: conversations and not have to throw quarterback potentially in the
Speaker 1: mix or put it in the back of our mind.
Speaker 1: I love this. We mentioned that I got to think
Speaker 1: about Trey Lance now, that sort of athleticism, He's got
Speaker 1: the big arm. He could be Decks understudy for three
Speaker 1: or four years and then you can cut him. That's
Speaker 1: not what I was expecting you to do. That was funny.
Speaker 1: So Katie specifically you were talking about that second round
Speaker 1: group of corners. I want to Aaron Porter asked the question,
Speaker 1: and we'll take a break after we talk about this.
Speaker 1: But Elijah Molden out of Washington strictly a slot corner
Speaker 1: or could you potentially see a shift to safety because
Speaker 1: I know the Cowboys have looked at him as a
Speaker 1: safety in this draft just from conversations. But is there
Speaker 1: a chance that he sticks a slot corner because of
Speaker 1: how talented he is there, I don't see why you
Speaker 1: would want to move him from the thing that he's
Speaker 1: awesome at. So, like, you know, that's where I'm Elijah Molden. Um,
Speaker 1: he's from Washington for this that don't know five ten
Speaker 1: about one ninety. But I mean, look, he's on the
Speaker 1: field all the time for me, and I'm not moving
Speaker 1: him away, you know, from from slot corner if I
Speaker 1: don't have to. Now the thing is like to me,
Speaker 1: like late in the year, they started tinkering with the
Speaker 1: idea of and I know we have a new coaching
Speaker 1: staff on defense, but they started tinkering with the idea
Speaker 1: of putting Jordan Lewis at safety, and I'm like, why
Speaker 1: did you guys start working on that years ago when
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis couldn't get on the field. So but the
Speaker 1: idea that they're looking at guys to potentially play safety
Speaker 1: is encouraging because again, as we know, this regime is
Speaker 1: not taking safety terribly seriously over the years. But I
Speaker 1: think I think if you're drafted Elijah Molden, you're taking
Speaker 1: him because he is the best slot cornerback in this draft.
Speaker 1: Black into discussion, That's what he is, and I don't
Speaker 1: I don't have any reason to really move him because
Speaker 1: that's a very valuable position. He could be the best
Speaker 1: slot corner unless you just want to move our Darius
Speaker 1: Washington in there. But I like Molden. I think he
Speaker 1: could play safety. And the reason I think that is
Speaker 1: what jumps out to me about Elijah Molden is just
Speaker 1: that he appears to be incredibly, incredibly football smart, like
Speaker 1: the positions that he puts himself in a lot of
Speaker 1: the zone stuff that they do. He's gonna follow the
Speaker 1: quarterback's eyes, he's gonna have a really good idea what's happening,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna go get his hands on the football,
Speaker 1: so I can understand it if you want to. But
Speaker 1: I'm also with kat the spot where he lined up,
Speaker 1: he played it really, really well. But I do love
Speaker 1: the way he plays when they're running their their zone,
Speaker 1: where he's just kind of drifting out to where he
Speaker 1: knows the ball's gonna end up, and it does. He's
Speaker 1: a beast. Moulden's awesome. I mean, instincts are off the charts,
Speaker 1: the way he can quickly process, very coordinated, he breaks
Speaker 1: on the ball to make plays at the catch point,
Speaker 1: and then his compete skills are off the charts. So
Speaker 1: do you wish he were bigger, longer, maybe had a
Speaker 1: little bit more twitch to him? Yeah, you wish he
Speaker 1: just he had that. But you know, you know he's
Speaker 1: got some Buddha Baker to him, you know, to make
Speaker 1: a Washington connection. Wow. And you know, Buddha Baker is
Speaker 1: one of the highest paid safeties in their league. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot to like about mold and he's he's
Speaker 1: a top fifty player in this draft, and so he
Speaker 1: should be in the conversation of forty four. I like it.
Speaker 1: Flexibility options never a bad thing, I don't think whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to players like him and whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: the talent is there, and then he could also play
Speaker 1: a couple different spots and maybe fit in where you
Speaker 1: need him and then hey, we'll figure it out from there.
Speaker 1: So I like that idea overall. When we come back,
Speaker 1: let's do some tell me More's a couple Twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty questions kind of lingering over guys just wanting
Speaker 1: to know more about certain prospects. We're gonna rapid fire
Speaker 1: some prospects when we come back and conclude some things
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Speaker 1: in in terms of tell me more's in this draft class,
Speaker 1: and our friend Dustin gave us a whole list of guys,
Speaker 1: and I think this is a good thing to kind
Speaker 1: of exercise from here and here and again, because we
Speaker 1: do mention a lot of names on this show, but
Speaker 1: it's nice to get deeper into some of these guys.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna start off with a couple of his
Speaker 1: potential names. Jamar Johnson, free safety out of Indiana, Dane Wick.
Speaker 1: Can you tell me about what Johnson brings to the table, because,
Speaker 1: like we said, safety could be a very very intriguing
Speaker 1: need for the Cowboys now that these comp pics are here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like Johnson in the third fourth round range. He's
Speaker 1: only a when you're a starter, m but he was
Speaker 1: really productive this past year at four interceptions, did a
Speaker 1: nice job finding those passing lanes. I do question about
Speaker 1: his want to his his toughness, his discipline as a
Speaker 1: run defender. Um, I want to see him, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of he's a little choosy in that area, but
Speaker 1: in terms of awareness, in terms of range, in terms
Speaker 1: of ball skills, I think he could be the interchangeable
Speaker 1: safety and nickel that you're looking for. Anybody else have
Speaker 1: an opinion on Johnson? No, sir, you do, but I
Speaker 1: will tomorrow. Yeah, hit me up tomorrow. I'm about that life.
Speaker 1: I know you have an opinion on Divine Diablo though
Speaker 1: out of Virginia. Ten. Let's go, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1: I know you have that guy guy um and by
Speaker 1: hate a strong word, right and by hate, I mean
Speaker 1: has him lower than me, which means say hate him. Um.
Speaker 1: I was surprised when I watched the Divine Diablo tape,
Speaker 1: which that's the best name in this draft, first of all,
Speaker 1: and I think it's it's just it's not normal to
Speaker 1: see a six three, two hundred and twenty seven two
Speaker 1: thirty pounds safety. But he played the position for Virginia
Speaker 1: Tech really well. Like I think his awareness in zone coverage, Like,
Speaker 1: as a guy of that size, you're not going to
Speaker 1: ask him to, Hey, let's play man coverage on a
Speaker 1: slot receiver. I think that's a danger zone. But I'm
Speaker 1: watching him like, man, this really really big safety. Like
Speaker 1: he runs fine, he moves well, he's tracking running backs
Speaker 1: in the run game. He can move, he can tackle.
Speaker 1: He made a really nice read where Trevor Lawrence never
Speaker 1: even saw him coming as a backside safety to pick
Speaker 1: off a ball against Clemson. I like Divine Diablo like
Speaker 1: I would, I would be Okay. I think what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen as a lot of teams are gonna be like
Speaker 1: where's he playing? Like is he gonna be a linebacker?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna be a box? Say he's not a
Speaker 1: free safety, So I really like him, but I also
Speaker 1: acknowledge the what exactly are you doing with him? You're
Speaker 1: either doing box safety or you're gonna say, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm turning this guy into a linebacker. But he's one
Speaker 1: of He's one of the my favorite guys I've watched,
Speaker 1: and I've got him as like a if you're letting
Speaker 1: me make picks, I would pick him somewhere between the
Speaker 1: mid end second round and they're in the third round.
Speaker 1: I like him now, he's a gamer. I guess where
Speaker 1: I'm at on him. As kind of that same discussion
Speaker 1: is if I don't immediately know what I'm going to
Speaker 1: do with the guy, then how high can I take him?
Speaker 1: And it just leads me to the to the very
Speaker 1: friendly boat. I'll just let someone else have him and
Speaker 1: we'll go to war with him every once in a while.
Speaker 1: I've got him in my fourth round of mix though,
Speaker 1: you know, like I've got him in that mix of
Speaker 1: guys who I like. I know he'll definitely help me
Speaker 1: on special teams. I'm probably grooming him to be a
Speaker 1: strong safety, but maybe he is a linebacker. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not uncommon to see linebackers two hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: five pounds. I do think he's a pretty reliable tackler. Um,
Speaker 1: you know my issues. And I know he had four
Speaker 1: interceptions in twenty twenty. So the tape that I saw,
Speaker 1: he wasn't asked to play in space much. And I
Speaker 1: know he had some snaps at free safety, but you
Speaker 1: didn't see him play in space enough, and to see
Speaker 1: it and run and things like that, that just it
Speaker 1: just wasn't encouraging for me. So you know, again, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't hate the guy at all, but he
Speaker 1: is a Day three guy for me. But you know,
Speaker 1: fourth round you need a safety, maybe a guy that
Speaker 1: can play a linebacker. Maybe you've got a plan for him.
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with the pulling the trigger on that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I kind of went the opposite way than Jeff
Speaker 1: where I when I watched him over the summariz, I
Speaker 1: this guy maybe a top one hundred guy. I like him.
Speaker 1: And then then where I watched it a senior. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I kind of walked or backed off that
Speaker 1: just a little bit. Um. I mean I still like him,
Speaker 1: you know, as a fourth fifth round guy somewhere in
Speaker 1: those mid rounds, Um, I don't know. I just I
Speaker 1: want more explosiveness at my safety position. I want more, um,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of what Katie was saying, be able
Speaker 1: to play in space, have the recovery speed to make plays. Um.
Speaker 1: Now I think he's you know, he's kind of tailor
Speaker 1: made for that. Um you know, like a box safety,
Speaker 1: that robber scheme. Um. You know, he could do that
Speaker 1: really well. But he's just not gonna be a fit
Speaker 1: for everybody. Another name. What about Jordan Smith defensive end
Speaker 1: out of U A B. The Blazers having Jordan Smith there?
Speaker 1: I believe he was a transfer right Dane Florida. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got into some some trouble there. Um. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: trouble guy. But you know he's really really talented. If
Speaker 1: he's got length for days, um, and he's still figuring
Speaker 1: out how to use that. Um. So there's he's a
Speaker 1: little bit of an older guy. He's already or he's
Speaker 1: gonna turn twenty three in April, and he's still a
Speaker 1: little bit of a developmental guy. And so, um, you know,
Speaker 1: where do you play him? He played in a three
Speaker 1: to four at at Ua b Um, you know, is
Speaker 1: he gonna be a hand on the ground rusher for you?
Speaker 1: Can he play off the ball. Is he a sub
Speaker 1: package guy? I don't know. I think he's really really toolsy.
Speaker 1: I know that length, athleticism. You know, he's just scratching
Speaker 1: the surface of what he can be. But he still
Speaker 1: needs a lot of work, you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: for where am I going to be able to draft him?
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would draft him in the
Speaker 1: first two rounds, but after that, I think you'd consider it.
Speaker 1: Anybody else knows. I think Dane probably had a great
Speaker 1: scouting report and I can't wait to watch. So what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do is other than my guys, I'm just
Speaker 1: typing down names so that I can watch him. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing. This is good. I like, this is
Speaker 1: a good exercise. Can I throw out a name too?
Speaker 1: I mean kind of the toolsy, you know, a Pastorsher
Speaker 1: type of guy. Where are you on hammocah Rashed Junior
Speaker 1: from Morgan State. Yeah, he had such a ridiculous twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen season. I think he was he led the nation
Speaker 1: and tackles for a loss more than Chase Young. Um.
Speaker 1: I he's another tweeter, you know, like he's he looks
Speaker 1: like he's probably a three to four only guy. Um
Speaker 1: he's he's a little tight hipped, he's a little stiff.
Speaker 1: He's more of that face up pass rusher. But you
Speaker 1: know he's a signmon sound. He plays physical the point
Speaker 1: of attack. I like his attitude. I just think he's
Speaker 1: a sub package three four outside backer. You know a
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna you know you want on your depth chart,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that you know, you necessarily want
Speaker 1: him as a starter or kind of key piece of
Speaker 1: your defense. So quality depth guy somewhere probably in those
Speaker 1: mid rounds. It's pretty wild. Fourteen sacks in twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: and then I mean obviously twenty twenty was shortened, but
Speaker 1: zero sacks in twenty twenty after fourteen sax season. It's
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, just kind of when everyone in dradar
Speaker 1: and now I watched and you're watching his tape. I
Speaker 1: was like, I've got I've got fifth round on him.
Speaker 1: So Jeff, I got another guy to add to your list.
Speaker 1: Uh and Katiano's telling me if you come come on,
Speaker 1: Simi Fehoko wider Fiver at a Stanford You know, you
Speaker 1: know how I know his name? How's that? Because I
Speaker 1: didn't have ta going Uh ucf corner in my first
Speaker 1: two corner, first two rounds. So he DMS me and
Speaker 1: he said no going. And I was like, hey, I
Speaker 1: hadn't watched twenty nineteen UCF yet, hold on and he
Speaker 1: was like, watched the Stanford game. Here you go, so
Speaker 1: take go and wants me to watch this guy. Yeah, Wow,
Speaker 1: Joko's interesting. He's he's he's long, he's rangey, he's a
Speaker 1: little raw for a guy that's already twenty three years old.
Speaker 1: He's he's a two year mission guy. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: religious mission and so that kind of you know, he's
Speaker 1: a little bit of he's a little bit more work
Speaker 1: for an older guy. But man, he's watching UCLA tape
Speaker 1: from this year. He had a ridiculous game. He's a
Speaker 1: fun player to you know. He's a Day three receiver,
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, a guy with him upside and
Speaker 1: a guy that could end up being a better bro
Speaker 1: A couple other names. What was that, Katie? Oh about
Speaker 1: some guys that we haven't talked to about kree Uh.
Speaker 1: Troy asked, what about Milton Williams, defensive lineman from Louisiana Tech.
Speaker 1: We do love our law tech bulldogs here in Dallas,
Speaker 1: of course, Xavier Woods, a six round pick. Out of
Speaker 1: there any any extra insight on Milton Williams. He actually
Speaker 1: Troy said that he saw him mocked by CBS to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at seventy five, but hasn't heard anything about him.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he'll be there at seventy five,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. Wow, Um, I think it's
Speaker 1: a good, good bet he goes somewhere in the top
Speaker 1: seventy five picks. Us Was he on my I think
Speaker 1: he was six my six defensive tackle? Uh? Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's really interesting player. He's he kind of blew
Speaker 1: up this past year. I mean he was good as
Speaker 1: a sophomore. Um, but this year is when he took
Speaker 1: it to another level. I love the team in tax
Speaker 1: for loss, in sacks. He he's there's some there's some
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett to him. You know, he's he's got that
Speaker 1: inside outside versatility where you know he could play either spot.
Speaker 1: He's he played about two seventy five, but he's up
Speaker 1: to two ninety right now. Um. Love the way he
Speaker 1: uses his length. He's got some flexibility, He's explosive. Love
Speaker 1: the effort that he plays with, so he could be
Speaker 1: a three technique you could play. I mean, this might
Speaker 1: be your Tyrn Crawford with the way he plays so
Speaker 1: big fan of Williams, and I think somewhere on day
Speaker 1: two is going to be where his values at. I
Speaker 1: could be right in that sweet spot for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: If they're looking for defensive tackle, that's gonna do it
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