WEBVTT - Draft Show: 4 More Picks To Make? 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:12.119 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:15.920 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.759 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:25.680 Dallas Cowboys like T D. Lamb and now your hosts 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:33.360 Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner, and Kyle Yeomans. It's 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:37.160 another Thursday edition of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:41.879 presented by Miller Lank, Kyle Yeoman's, Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh, 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:46.159 Kevin kat Turner. As we are forty nine days out 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:50.559 from the NFL Draft in Cleveland, Ohio, and we've got 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.400 some compensatory picks to talk about. The comp picks have 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:57.639 come in and the Dallas Cowboys have a league wide 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.480 high of four comp picks, and we're gonna talk about 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.800 each one of those. But first I wanted to just 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.120 kind of get where everybody's at. It's been a crazy 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.560 week around these parts. If for those of you that 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.040 have been paying attention. Dak Prescott of course signing his 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.760 long term deal with the Cowboys this week, the press 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.520 conference yesterday that I didn't actually get a chance to 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:18.800 watch yet, I'm gonna be honest with everybody because I 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.600 was doing college basketball. However, I did hear that it 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.440 was an all time great Jeff cabanall and it was 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:28.160 one that's a classic among Cowboys fans, or it was 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.160 it classic because it was good or bad? Because I'm 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:33.120 no lie at all. I have not heard even a 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.320 single word from it. I think Kyle that it was 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:42.480 very very clear that Jerry had missed the microphone. He 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.840 was ready to rock. He was ready to rock. He 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:52.760 kept the traditional live of circumcising insects. He had himself 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.360 a great time. But yes, we now exist in the 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:59.360 world where we got cow picks and a quarterback. Life 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.600 is good, Katie? Is it? Is it really that good? 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.000 Because now we can kind of look at the draft 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.400 board with a little bit more accuracy. And sure, I 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.639 mean there's gonna be some pieces that fly in here 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.760 in the next couple of weeks with free agency in 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.360 the new league year. But the Cowboys at least have 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:19.240 that first domino that's fallen. Yeah, And I think the 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.680 comp pick thing is it was the most exciting thing 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.399 of yesterday for me. I mean, look, the dack things great, 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.480 we had I had two days to process that I've 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.680 looked at these COMP picks and going, okay, we knew 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.720 we were gonna get four. We did. Likely one of 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.240 those is gonna be a third rounder. I mean, but 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.280 that's the thing that got my trade bones jumping, Like, 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:43.960 for instance, m Dane, would you h like to trade 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.799 seventy five and ninety nine to get up to fifty eight? 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.640 Would you like to trade forty four and ninety nine 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.240 to get up to thirty four? Would you like to 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.320 trade forty four and seventy five to get up to 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.840 twenty seven. I'm started thinking about those types of things 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.800 once the COMP pick came in, because look, Byron Jones, 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.120 we all question like, should they have signed the Robert 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:04.880 Quinn thing? That you got a fourth round pick for 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.799 a fourth round com pick for excellent Robert Quinn was 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:09.920 terrible for the Beers last year. It was two sacks 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.840 and just beating up and hurt, and it's like, oh, 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.560 what a good decision. Now the Byron thing we can 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:19.120 question because there's a reason where really scouting these cornerbacks 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.239 really hard. But that's the thing that kind of got 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.800 me a real giddy yesterday was getting all those COMP 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.000 picks in here. I love the wheels turn in there. 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:32.320 That's there's So with more picks, the more opportunity. You know, 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.400 there's a lot more things you can do, and you 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:39.200 can get really really adventurous, and you know, it just 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.480 opens your options with what you can do. So that's 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.280 a lot of fun and I'm just glad to be 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:45.720 we don't need to be talking about quarterback anymore. And 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:47.960 when it comes to the draft, we've been saying it 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.960 all year here on this Draft show that it's pointless 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.520 to be talking about these quarterback prospects at ten because 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.640 that's not going anywhere. And thankfully the deal got done, 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.360 so you know we can we can stop that charade 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.960 and focus on the realistic picks at ten. The one 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.320 guy that's not even in this Dallas market is the 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.560 one that's saying that, hey, at least this is over 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.120 with now, which is great because I think all four 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.400 of us share that same sentiment. But I love how Dan, 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.880 even from outside the market, can say, let's just move on. 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.960 Let's move on. It's done. And you mentioned the comp 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.960 pick already at ninety nine that was for Byron Jones. Katie, 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.360 you've mentioned that, So the Cowboys with four top one 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.000 hundred picks which is intriguing in its own right. Then 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.120 round four they have the top comp pick from that 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:35.760 Robert Quinn deal Dallas Cowboys, picking at one thirty nine. 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.960 Then you've got one seventy nine for the Cowboys in 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.440 round five, and then they go all the way down 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.200 the list in the sixth round at two twenty seven. 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.960 Those are the four comp picks of the Cowboys ultimately 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.479 ended up with and Dan. Whenever you look at the 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.640 depth of this draft and you see all of the 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.560 prospects that could be available in those four rounds, is 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.080 this a good draft to have a league high in 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.760 terms of comp picks because the Cowboys didn't have but 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.400 one last year. And it's also something that you could 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:06.760 look at as a huge plus because, like Kat just said, 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.520 it's draft capital, but also there could be some prospects 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:13.640 that are available as well. Yeah, I mean, it's never 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.520 a bad thing to have more picks. Um. You know, 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.919 this year is a little unique because even though I 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.680 do like the depth at certain positions in this draft, 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.960 we have to remember this draft class as a whole 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.800 isn't as deep as maybe some past years because a 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:31.120 lot of guys went back to school and it's just 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.400 it's a little bit of a different dynamic this year. 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.359 So now with that said, again, I still think that 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:40.239 at certain positions it's a it's a deep group and 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:45.200 you know, wide receiver, corner, edge rusher, those three especially 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.240 those positions are gonna stretch in terms of depth. But 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.600 you know, I think that it would not. I think 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.360 what smart teams are gonna do is they're gonna use 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.400 some of these draft picks this year to possibly even 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.600 acquire draft picks next year. And so if I'm the Cowboys, 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.880 that's something I'm looking at. Um. You know, I'm not 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:05.960 not talking about maybe the first or second round, but 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.960 outside of those, you know, just being a little open 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.240 minded with how you use your draft capital. It's not okay, 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.760 we've got you know what, ten picks, Okay, we're taking 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:17.640 ten players. You know, it's maybe trading a fourth rounder 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.080 this year for a third rounder next year, or you 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.240 know what Kat was saying, packaging two of those picks 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.680 to go up and get one better player, quality over 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:28.760 quantity type of thing. So you know, there's a lot 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.280 of different directions they can go. So anytime you have 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.760 more picks, the better. Jeff, do you think if the 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.040 Cowboys wanted to this would be that draft because of 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.400 kind of the uncertainty around these opt outs to where 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.000 you could be looking at maybe a twenty twenty two 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.840 draft pick here and there and then shifting back either 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.520 jumping back down to in order to complete that deal, 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:52.320 or do you want to go for it now and 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.839 have those darts for the dartboard. So I think it 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:57.920 works either way, and I think the fun part about 0:06:58.000 --> 0:06:59.880 having those picks is correct me if I'm wrong, but 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.360 four that they just had six picks, You add the 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.320 four comp picks. Now you have ten picks. Even if 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.159 you draft really really well, odds are ten dudes aren't 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.480 making your roster. So it's just a matter of which 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.040 way you want to go. And there's nothing wrong with 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.040 drafting ten players or eleven or twelve players and seeing 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.520 if you can hit on four or five. But I 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.480 love the idea of depending what it is that you're 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.480 looking for, because this is all just gut feeling, right. 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.040 But we think that the Cowboys would like to have 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:31.000 a free safety. I don't know that Richie Grant makes 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.880 it to forty four, but what if you can get 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.840 him at thirty six, because now you've got extra picks 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:41.080 to move around. I don't know exactly where each corner 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:42.920 is going to go, but like, depending what they do 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.400 at number ten, I think you could immediately then turn 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.080 around and go, Okay, guys, let's talk about what we 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.520 don't think we'll make forty four and if we need 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.440 to go up, or let's talk about what won't make 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.920 seventy five and maybe we can go up. And it's 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.080 just it opens up. I think the possibility of guys 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.160 that I think currently exists in no man's land. Like 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.200 one of my favorite players in the draft, Nick Bolton, 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.440 the linebacker round of Missouri. I'd love to haphim as 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:10.280 a cowboy, but you're not going to pick him at ten, 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.880 and I don't think he's making it to forty four. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.440 But Kat has already drawn us up away to get 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.720 to twenty seven. If you want to go get a guy. 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:19.880 And we spend a lot of time talking about like 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:21.960 Jalen Smith, I don't think we spend enough time talking 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.600 about Laton Vanderish because that's a thirteen million dollars fifth 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.200 year option, so that might be a need. They have 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:28.960 so much they need to do on defense, and I 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.840 think the creativity that you're allowed to have. When you 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.160 have ten picks, it makes the draft board, whether they're 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.319 actually going to move around a lot or not. It 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:40.400 at least makes it fun for us because we can 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:43.760 draw scenarios to get guys that you think fall in 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:50.040 the in between. Sorry, well, I just, Jeff, I wanted 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.840 to get your opinion on now that I mean, we 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:54.920 knew we were these camp picks were coming. But now 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.760 that they are, you know they're here and we know 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.960 what picks they are. Does that change your opinion at 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.040 all about the option of trading back? Are you more 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.400 likely to stay at ten now now that we okay, 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.840 we know we have a third or fourth, we know 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.200 we have ten picks total. Are you are you more 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:13.959 likely to stay at ten and say let's just get 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.800 the better player as opposed to trying to get cute 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.800 and trying to you know, maybe you know, we could 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.080 maybe maximize this positioning by getting to two good players. 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.560 Does that change your thinking at all? It's being cute. 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.640 That's the thing about mere good. That's why I grew 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.040 all this glorious hair is because I like to be cute. 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.680 I don't know, because where I get torn is I'll 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.760 tell you my biggest struggle in this draft. When the 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.400 Cowboys get on the clock, at least according to me, 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.040 I bet the best players available will be rashaunse Later 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:46.760 if he's available, Kyle Pitts, who may not make it, 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:53.440 Jalen Waddle, who I'm guessing will be available, the Alabama Watterstrooper. 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:58.280 Like my best players play offense. And I'm sitting here going, Okay, 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.920 do I just skip over all day and pick one 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.880 of the corners that I really like. I think it's 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.040 still actually inviting for Captain train down to Rhyde because 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:12.240 see what happens at corner, and I'll pick multiples. You know, 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.959 I don't mind if I'm picking one in the teens 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:16.680 and then I pick another one in the second or 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.760 third round. So no, I don't think it moves me 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.440 either direction. My problem remains the same that at ten, 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.520 I feel like if I'm picking a defensive player, I'm 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.760 not picking the best player available, and that hurts my heart. Yeah, 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.040 I kind of was thinking along the lines. And first 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:32.800 of all, I'm glad you brought that up about Vanderesh 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.839 because we've talked so much about Lyle Collins and maybe 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.600 Tyrant Smith's injury problems like he lay in Vaanderesh has 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.640 those as well, and you know he's very much a 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:44.880 question mark, just like those guys are. I do think 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.520 if Slater was the pick, or let's say maybe it 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:51.400 was Pinastaol or let's say if offensive tackle or even 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.840 offensive player was the pick at ten, like I do 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.520 think that makes me want to keep my picks and 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:00.840 have three more top one hundred picks been on defense. 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:06.040 Whereas if I don't go offense at ten and I 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.840 take a corner, let's say we take Farley or Certain, 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.320 That's where I think I'm more likely to maybe go 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.400 get aggressive and say, oh what can I can I 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.000 pair these two together and go up and get married 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.000 or Richie Grant or another cornerback that I'm in love with. 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:24.040 I feel like I'm more more willing to trade if 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.960 I do go defense in the first round, because because 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.720 defense is the immediate thing I have to have, I 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.680 would like to have an offensive tackle. I can skate 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.000 by one more year without drafting an offensive tackle. I 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.320 wouldn't recommend it, but like I can do it, you 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.559 can't do that at defense. So like to me, what 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.480 you're saying you have makes sense, Like what happens at 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.760 ten determines how aggressive I'm gonna get with those picks. 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.360 But to me, I was thinking about this real hard. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.000 I was like, would you rather have three top sixty 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.800 picks or four top one hundred picks, because that's what 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.280 you have if you trade ninety nine and seventy five 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.319 if you bump those up, that goes inside the top sixty. 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.840 So three top sixty picks or four top one hundred picks. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:11.120 And I think it's probably for me three top sixty 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:16.079 picks probably, But you know, it's the old age, old question. 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:19.280 Show me who I'm drafting, and then I'll answer the question. Yeah, 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:20.680 put them on the board. Tell me who's on the 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:25.720 board with those Yeah. I admit it's a cop out answer, 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.600 but like it's it's something to think about. It is 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.520 something to think about. In the Cowboys will certainly be 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:34.000 looking that direction. They could use those picks maybe on 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.920 some defensive lineman. And we were gonna talk defensive line 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.280 on the Tuesday show with Bucky, Brian and Dave, but 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.600 a little bit of big news kind of hit instead, 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.960 and there was a quarterback that signed a big contract, 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.400 so we kind of pushed the defensive line aside. Plus, 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.559 I think this is a great group. They'll talk about 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.920 defensive line because well, it's not necessarily the first or 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.800 second round where those guys are being mentioned. Sure, there's 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.880 the Christian Barmore's of the world, and maybe Tyler Shelbyn 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.520 from LSU and Levi aon Zerique from Washington, But ultimately, 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.240 if the Cowboys are going to draft defensive line, Dane, 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.920 it's probably gonna be in the second, third, fourth rounds 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.520 if they're gonna try and spend any kind of extra 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:19.920 premium to pick on that position. Yeah, and I think, 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:21.920 I mean, there's not a defensive tackle in this class 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:25.840 that's a lock top twenty five pick, even Christian Barmore, 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.439 who you know, I think is probably the clear favorite 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.760 to be the first defensive tackle drafted, but he's not 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.720 guaranteed to go top twenty five, maybe an even top 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.160 or even the first round. So it's just a it's 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:38.920 an interesting group, and I think it depends on what 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.400 type of tackle you're looking for. You know, you've got 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.880 a guy like owns Erricke, who's you know, a violent, 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:49.360 more of a one gap guy, or the USC kid 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:53.080 Tya Popolo. I don't think I said that right, But 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.960 that's okay, you know what I mean? Uh, you know 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.000 he's he's he's better as a run defender. You know, 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:00.480 I don't know much juice he's going to give you 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:04.319 as a pass pass rusher. Um, you know Davean Nixon, 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:08.400 he's more of that one gap guy who is a 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.440 really good athlete, just you know, needs to learn how 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.959 to be a better football player. Um. You know Tommy 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:20.080 TOGII is a high floor type of run stopper. You 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.760 know you wonder about, right, you wonder about how much 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.680 better he can be as as a pass rusher. Is 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:26.960 he just kind of you know he is what he 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:30.120 is just a a stout, you know. Um, you know 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:35.880 two down player Elim McNeil, another guy who is explosive 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.440 and you know, I see a lot of Javon Hargrave there. 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:43.040 But again you wonder about what's the value there in 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.200 terms of second down, third down. Um. So this, this 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.840 defensive tackle class is really interesting because there's a lot 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:50.840 of different options, a lot of different ways you could go, 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:54.320 and I think you could find decent value in the 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.640 third round, similar to the way they did last year 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.040 with the Oklahoma kids. So, um, you know this this 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.840 defense tackle class. Even though you know it's not strong 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.160 at the top in terms of first round, second, third, 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.480 or fourth round, you know there's there's plenty of options, 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.400 and these teams are gonna to do their homework, no doubt, 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.640 it's a bit of a sweet spot for defensive line. 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.840 But Jeff, whenever Dane already mentioned it, you've spent premium 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.200 picks on interior defensive linemen each of the last two drafts. 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.160 You talk about Neville Gallimore last year out of Oklahoma 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.120 in the third and then the year prior, Tristan Hill 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.320 out of UCF at the second. Are the Cowboys even 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.880 remotely in a position to be able to spend another 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.920 top pick, top one hundred pick on a defensive lineman 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.239 and interior defensive lineman after they've already kind of established 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.680 that they're trying to build that around those two guys. 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.920 I think so only because I think rule number one 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.960 in team building should be what we've done before doesn't 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.040 matter now. I think there is a question to ask 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.240 if you could do what you want to do on 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.880 the defensive line better. In free agency, I think there's 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.120 a good group of agent guys out there. They can 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.520 step in and be a starting nose tackle for the Cowboys. 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:05.720 But you know you spent a first round pick on 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.360 a linebacker, the thirty fourth overall pick, and a second 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.240 contract on a linebacker, and those guys didn't play well 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.920 last year. So if I'm the Cowboys, I think I 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:18.320 think I'm really prioritizing not necessarily a Nevill Gallimore or 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.680 a Tristan Hill type, who were more of those one 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.760 gap guys that Dane's talking about. But I'm looking for 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:27.960 the two gapper and I don't know, Dane named a 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.000 guy like the USC guy, And there's a t in 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:31.840 there somewhere that I think you missed, but I'm not 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.880 gonna get it right either, but to to give or 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.720 take um, but like, yeah, there's I think there's some 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.800 guys in this draft that really interest me in that. 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.760 And teams are on the NFL are going to value 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.760 obviously the pass rushing guys more, but I think the 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.960 Cowboys that are in the unique position that I want 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.720 them to add the big body. I want them to 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.560 add the nose tackle because I think it gives your 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.320 linebackers a better chance to play well. And it's just 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.720 a matter of what do you realistically think you're going 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.800 to hit out of a rookie nose tackle or should 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.480 you take that a different direction and say, oh, Dalvin 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:09.200 Tomlinson's a free agent, Hello, here's some money and fix 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.040 it up that way. This is a part of the year, 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.560 like if you're you know, you're watching tape on these 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:18.520 guys and you're searching for positions. But sometimes, at least 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.960 for me, and I know Dane's seen you know, way 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.880 way way more, But for me this time of the year, 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.000 it's always fun because you're finding guys who might be 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.639 six or seventh round gym, so they always pop up. 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:30.639 It feels like we always fall in love with the 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:34.239 one technique late in the draft. But we've spent so 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.800 much time talking about defensive tackle, and I do think 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.080 it just needs to be kept in mind that, hey, 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.440 if you can find a defensive end that you might 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.280 like a little bit better than Dorance Armstrong and Bradley 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.080 and I it's the age old thing that we've did 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.159 that we played with Sean Lee for years. Is like 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.119 you should never go into a season banking on Sean 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.480 Lee to be there. All right, Well, I would say 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.440 the same thing about Randy Gregory. You know, I love 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.800 Randy Gregory, but they're banking on him to be their 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.560 starting defensive end, and I'm not sure that's a great idea. 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.520 I want him there. I believe in him, I think, 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.920 I mean, I hope he's the guy, but I think 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:11.640 we all know it would be a little bit foolish 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.560 to just assume that Randy's going to be there. Um 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:20.280 so like that sort of very unavailable will no longer 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:24.680 make him unavailable? I hope so, But the NFL is weird, 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.040 and I don't trust Again, I'm gonna trust the policies, 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.080 Like I'm the guy who doesn't think Randy should have 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.760 ever missed time. Uh like, so it's it's it's it's 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.679 always it's always a strange, strange thing for me, like 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.440 on that conversation, and I know it's always always makes 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.639 me sick when people are like, oh, so, I know 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.399 that's ridiculous, like you don't even know the situation. But 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:50.800 like again, banking on him to be there because of 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:54.359 the league, because of everything involved a bad decision. So 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.000 I'm looking at defensive end too, so I don't Dane 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.400 on the Athletic put out to two articles this top 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:03.320 twelve defensive tackles and defensive ends. There's also some guys 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.879 you know who played defensive and sometimes they were the 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.520 three four. They played defensive end, but you know, maybe 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.760 their best role is mumping inside on pass rushing downs 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.760 and playing inside. Um. You know, I kind of like, oh, 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:19.720 Diggi Zoowa, the UCLA guy. Oh so Diggi Zoowa and 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.040 you remember his brother from a few years ago. So like, 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.520 there's guys like that, and I think can be found 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.240 on Day three, but maybe it's early day three and 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.320 oh yeah, we got an extra fourth, fifth, and six 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.320 year out pick yesterday. Now, I think the guy that 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:36.199 stands out to me um a defensive tackle that's just 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:40.360 so intriguing as Tyler Shelvin at LSU UM. I mean, 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.800 this guy, I once scout tell me that he could 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:45.680 be Vince Wolfolk if he wanted to be Wow. And 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.199 so that's just what it comes down to, is just 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:52.480 understanding where he is mentally. Um, does he have the 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.240 motivation to do that? Is it something that you can 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:57.919 coach into the guy? Um? If not, then it's a 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:00.560 non starter, and you know, you move on. You know, 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:02.879 if you just decide that he's lazy weight is going 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:04.960 to be an issue with him and you just move on. 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.119 But if you think that there's something there in terms 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:13.119 of a spark that you can light, he's really really intriguing. 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.679 I think because of his issues, he's probably gonna be 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.399 there on day three and out of you know, there 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.080 might be a good value pick if you believe there's 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:25.000 a chance he could pan out, you know. And Katie 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.800 mentioned this a little bit ago, but I like the 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.840