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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of Wide Open.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited for this week's guest, who is an

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Speaker 1: icon in the fashion world. So I would love today

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Speaker 1: to talk about what a great weekend I had at

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Speaker 1: all of the the OSCARS parties. I actually was lucky

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Speaker 1: and it was such a beautiful experience to see so

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Speaker 1: much queer visibility and such an important visible event, and

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Speaker 1: what better than to raise money for our community. It

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Speaker 1: was great to see so many incredible people in the

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Speaker 1: room pushing for funding for HIV and AIDS. I felt

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Speaker 1: like it was a really special weekend. It was great

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Speaker 1: you know, it's been a really, really hard few weeks

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Speaker 1: going to an event that is surrounded by queer joy

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Speaker 1: felt liberating. It felt safe. It felt that sense of

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Speaker 1: freedom you get when you're amongst really incredible people who

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Speaker 1: really big win this weekend. So I'm excited to unpack

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Speaker 1: you know what people were wearing at the Oscars with Alice,

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Speaker 1: but also just talk about women who were driving change

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Speaker 1: in the fashion industry who sometimes aren't forward facing, but

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Speaker 1: doing all the work behind the scenes. So let's get

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Speaker 1: into it. This is Wide Open and this is Alice

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Speaker 1: Dela Hunt. Welcome back everyone to Wide Open.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host Ashlyn Harris, and today's conversation is for

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Speaker 2: anyone who's ever had the courage to leave something behind

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Speaker 2: and build life somewhere from the beginning and build a

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Speaker 2: new Because Alice Dela Hunt didn't just step into fashion,

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Speaker 2: she stepped into culture.

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Speaker 1: She's built a career at the intersection of legacy brands,

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Speaker 1: what's coming. But what I love about Alice isn't just

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Speaker 1: what she's built, it's how she thinks. She moved here

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Speaker 1: She worked inside one of the most iconic fashion houses

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Speaker 1: fashion before it even fully was understood. This conversation isn't

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Speaker 1: just about closer trends. It's about identity, it's about reinvention,

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Speaker 1: it's about what it costs to be ambitious and how

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Speaker 1: about the oscars and who's actually pushing culture forward right now.

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Speaker 1: We talk about building community when you're far away from home,

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Speaker 1: and we talk about what it looks like to step

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Speaker 1: in your next chapter when nothing about the path has

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Speaker 1: been traditional. Alice is thoughtful, she's sharp, and she sees

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Speaker 1: around corners, and I think you're going to feel that

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Speaker 1: in this conversation, so let's get into it. Hi, everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to another episode of Wide Open. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Ashlyn Harris, and today we have my very

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Speaker 1: special friend Alice with us. Welcome to the show, Alice,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, ad I'm so excited to do this with you.

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Speaker 1: I love having the homies on the podcast. And for

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Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, Alice has had an

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Speaker 1: insanely incredible career. She literally sits in the intersection of fashion, culture, technology,

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Speaker 1: and storytelling. Girl, I don't know how you do it all,

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Speaker 1: but you humanize it in a way that's beautiful. And

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Speaker 1: before we jump in, because there's so much going on

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Speaker 1: in the world with fashion. We just had the Oscars.

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Speaker 1: I want to unpack all the looks because no one

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Speaker 1: better to do that with than you. I'll give you

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Speaker 1: my humble opinion. I have no expertise in it. Besides,

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Speaker 1: I just know what looks good. I guess I think

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Speaker 1: I saw you on that red carpet. I've seen you

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Speaker 1: on a few red carpets. Actually, we've been on a

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Speaker 1: to my first just to give everyone all the listeners contexts,

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Speaker 1: I went to my first Vanity Fair Oscars part with

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Speaker 3: We had a fabulous time, though we really did. We

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Speaker 1: That was when I said, oh, we really need to

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Speaker 1: know who could star in that as I think it's you.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to be behind a camera directing you all. Eileen, Hello, Eileen,

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Speaker 1: Huh just a few, maybe just a few. But before

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Speaker 1: and I like for for those of you who don't know,

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Speaker 1: Alice is a dear friend of mine. I've met her

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Speaker 1: I'm just so inspired by the way you move in

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Speaker 1: I want to bring it back to the beginning because

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Speaker 1: took such a giant risk of leaving everything behind to

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Speaker 1: not necessarily the failing part. And I've failed at every

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Speaker 1: And very few women feel the need to take that

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Speaker 3: thanks Somemogan for saying all of that. Firstly, I really

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Speaker 1: But I agree with you.

438
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Speaker 3: I think that, you know, body shapes are so different,

439
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: and I often like suit a man's jumper much more

440
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: than I suit maybe a woman's shape because of how

441
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 3: I've shaped, and then sometimes I'm much more in the

442
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 3: feminine shape of a different designer. So I think we

443
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 3: haven't really nailed it yet. But I do think Jonathan

444
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 3: Anderson has specifically with his Unicloth work, because there is

445
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 3: the unisex element of it, which is so beautiful and

446
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 3: easy to shop from, and they do it really nicely,

447
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 3: and you can notice it in the stitching and the cut,

448
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 3: how they're considering the different bodies.

449
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Speaker 1: So I'd like more of that, you know, I love that.

450
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, I it is so interesting, especially

451
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: as two queer women, I do find that the queer

452
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: community is so defined by fashion. Like when I think

453
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: of our our lesbian group in New York, everyone is

454
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: so chic, like head to tell, whether you're in fashion,

455
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: whether you're in finance, whether you're in sport. What do

456
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: you think it is about clothing that really binds people together,

457
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: especially the queer community, Because for me, like you know,

458
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: so many of my friends who have fashion label labels

459
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: are either queer, they're queer creative directors. Like it's it's

460
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,719
Speaker 1: such a huge part of who we are in terms

461
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: of how we show up and how we express ourselves.

462
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: What do you think it is about that fashion that

463
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: is so heavily circled around our community?

464
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've actually thought about that a lot, and it

465
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 3: kind of played into my journey a little bit between

466
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 3: Ralph and Psyche, because I think that fashion is fashion

467
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: is a way to express your identity in a world

468
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 3: that is so confoluted and has so many different forms

469
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: of identity expression. And so I think all the little

470
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: signals and codes we put on our body are little

471
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 3: ways to show each other and like A like i'd

472
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 3: see you, I recognize you, and B. And there's symbols

473
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 3: of that like in so many ways throughout queer culture,

474
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 3: right and our history and B. I think it's a

475
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 3: way to feel like ourselves, you know. I think it's

476
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: a way back to the joke I made about we

477
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 3: put on our armor and the power of an actual

478
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: power suit. Right for me personally, for me, I step

479
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: into a suit, I can walk into any room and

480
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: I'll feel like one of the most powerful people in there.

481
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: That's it, and that's what it does for me. So

482
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 3: knowing those little things about yourself and how fashion is

483
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 3: a way to do that because you know so much

484
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,239
Speaker 3: of ourselves, so much of what we are in this

485
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: world and physically can be so challenging to change that. Actually,

486
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 3: fashion is something that you can put on you that

487
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: I think is very communicative. And actually, when I found

488
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 3: out my company Psyche, Psyche is the goddess of the

489
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: soul and in Greek mythology, and I thought that that

490
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: was a really beautiful way to think about fashion. And

491
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: there's a way to express your soul and who you

492
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 3: really are if you have a bright and sunny day,

493
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: if you're having a dark and cloudy day, if you're

494
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: having a day where you want to show like different

495
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 3: members of a queer community in a very heteronormative world,

496
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: like I see you the little symbol you'll put on you,

497
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 3: in the little ways you'll do it, you know, I

498
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 3: think it's really powerful. I do.

499
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: I love that And you kind of touched on it

500
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: with Ralph. What was it like working with such a

501
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: like there's such heritage about Ralph Lauren's it's so cultured

502
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: and its roots and honestly, the Last God maybe three

503
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: four months, the way in which they are evolving.

504
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: Was it full Men Show? Yes, the Last Mens Show

505
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: was phenomenal. It was.

506
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: It was so great, so gorgeous. Yah, it was so

507
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: culture the storytelling piece, especially where we are in terms

508
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: of a fragmented society, to pay heritage to such beautiful

509
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: cultures and see it come to life and then see

510
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 1: the traction it got globally. I'm like it makes me

511
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: so excited because this is what fashions about. Yeah, I'm

512
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: curious of what you feel like Ralph has given you

513
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: to be able to propel you into these different spaces

514
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 1: because Ralph was such a big part of your story

515
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: as well as Burberry. Yeah, I want you to talk

516
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: about that because it is such a notch on your belt,

517
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: even bigger than that, because it is such a staple.

518
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 3: I could not feel more grateful for my Ralph Laurence chapter.

519
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 3: And I want to start with Ralph the man because

520
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: he is the absolute root of everything. And I think

521
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: if anyone who's watched his documentary are read books that

522
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: he has published, he is timeless in the way he

523
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: creates his work. He has never been driven by trends.

524
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: I think he's very honest about that, and he is

525
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: always returning to the root of who he is and

526
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: the movie he wants to create around a show in

527
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: a moment, because he said things like, I don't create,

528
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 3: you know, clothes, I create moments. I create movies, and

529
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: that is absolutely what he does. I don't know if

530
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: you remember his fiftieth anniversary show in Central Park, which

531
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 3: was a cultnation it was I was there for that

532
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: and it was the most phenomenal introduction to the world

533
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 3: of Ralph Lauren, one that I'd studied and knew, but

534
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: to see it up close and personal and watch this

535
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: man have such an impact, who has had such an

536
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: impact on America, on Americana everything from you know, like

537
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: you know, preppy culture to Tolo sport to a double

538
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: rrel Americana like returning to that he has. He is

539
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 3: the most incredible man and also I would say one

540
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: of the greatest entrepreneurs of the last century when you

541
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: look at the company and empire that he's built off

542
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: the back of it. He has created collections, he has

543
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: created product lines, he has created and movies in his

544
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: own way. He has created the hottest restaurants, the coffee

545
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: line he and working for him and the current CEO,

546
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: Patrice LaVey, I was his first hire. Has been like

547
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: one of the honors of my lifetime. So I'll start

548
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: with that. And I started at Ralph Lauren and at

549
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: a really interesting time because the incredibleness of Ralph and

550
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: the company and was there. But I think what had

551
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: happened was the market had become super discount oriented and

552
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: there was a CEO change, so Patrice LaVey was brought

553
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: in to transform the company back to what Ralph created

554
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 3: and I went in and I.

555
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: Was his first hire.

556
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: So I was hired as a chief Digital officer because

557
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: we know that digital is, you know, the biggest touch

558
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: point that you can have to a brand these days,

559
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 3: right like your website, I most likely will be your

560
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: world's biggest store, even for some of the biggest brands

561
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: in the world. Right your social channels are your storytelling vehicles,

562
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: you know, and if those touch points don't represent the

563
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: brand itself, well there's a problem and that needs to change.

564
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: And I was you know, it was an incredible chapter

565
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: in my career because I was thirty when I signed

566
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: that contract.

567
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I was.

568
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: Thirty when I went into that company and I signed

569
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: that contract, and that was when I look back at

570
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: that now, I think, oh my god, you know, such

571
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: a baby. But I had been equipped with the knowledge

572
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: and of what centering digital can do when you are

573
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: selling your product and telling your brand's story. So I

574
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: felt confident in that while having the humility to know

575
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 3: that I'm young going into this and I've a lot

576
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: to learn. And I was grateful for that because I

577
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: was surrounded by people who were willing to teach me

578
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: and give me the grace to fail. And so I

579
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 3: went in and Patrici LaVey was my boss and we

580
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: had a phenomenal time. And there's people I'm really grateful

581
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 3: for who believed in me enough to put me in

582
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: that position, like Karen Harvey, who you may or may

583
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: not know, she is an incredible mover within the fashion industry.

584
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: Where Zanne Lynch, who was the chief people officer, who

585
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: kind of really spots talents and brings them into the company,

586
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: and they gave me the latitude to run with it,

587
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: and run with it we did, yes, So we really did.

588
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 3: There was a phenomenal team there, some who pre existed.

589
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 3: I brought people into the company with new skill sets

590
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: that I knew we needed to double down on. We

591
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: built out the social team, the digital marketing team, things

592
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: like product so you know something like that you would

593
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 3: say is your mobile product and turns into your app,

594
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: which becomes a huge part of the digital business, right,

595
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 3: absolutely massive. And we elevated all of our storytelling. We

596
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: focused on content. We transformed the website. It used to

597
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 3: be a little very discount oriented, but like when you

598
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: bring the brand front and center, and you tell the

599
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: story of this product. People want to know it. People

600
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 3: want to care about what they buy, People want to

601
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: care about what they put on themselves, the signal to

602
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: the world and be able to talk about it like

603
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: we just did, right, you told me, You told me

604
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 3: about the Rose, but well, you know, I told you

605
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: about JW. You know, like people want to be equipped

606
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 3: with that, and Ralph has so many stories to tell.

607
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: So I really focused on content and then as a

608
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 3: result of that, I took on the role as Chief

609
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 3: Content Officer as well, so working really closely with Ralph

610
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 3: and running all of the advertising and advertising teams. But also,

611
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: you know, anyone in the industry will know about like

612
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: e commerce product photography that phtography is as important in

613
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 3: my mind as you're advertising. So you'll see big billboards

614
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 3: all over the place ash right, like you've been on

615
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: a good.

616
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: Feel of them, right, So they are all.

617
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: Over the place, and then you will have something called

618
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: your e com product which is shot in studio and

619
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 3: doesn't have the same production value that eCOM photography gets

620
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: as much eyeballs as that campaign photography. And Ralph, we've

621
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: really started focusing on both and so I am so

622
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: grateful for my time there. I cannot tell you how

623
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: much I learned and from you know, about a business,

624
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: you know, from this kind of incredible peer set of

625
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: people who were treated me with so much grace, but

626
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: like we're in experience, had many more years than me, right,

627
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 3: you know, many in.

628
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: Their forties, fifties, sixties.

629
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Speaker 3: I sat on the executive leadership team, which was you know,

630
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 3: the twelve leaders within the company, and I got to

631
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 3: learn so much and I contributed so much. So I'm

632
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: super proud.

633
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: This is wide open and I'm your host, Ashlyn Harris.

634
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. We'll be right.

635
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: Back when you get to sit and listen to someone

636
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: like Ralph speak about how he built his business. And

637
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: we had our weekly one on ones and then we

638
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: had our big advertising meetings as well, you know, and

639
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: instill something inside you which goes back to my initial

640
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: thing that my granddad used to say, if I do

641
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 3: the thing you regret most not doing. And I thought,

642
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: why this man built such an incredible business and he

643
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: spotted a moment and he created something. It started with ties,

644
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: and I just thought, I have always, always, always had

645
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: an entrepreneurial spirit. I think it has always allowed me

646
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 3: to step into rooms and bet on myself, and those

647
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: bets have very often made me successful and at times

648
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: have not. And I taught it. I thought, I think

649
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: now as my moment, and I thought, irrespective of the outcome,

650
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: I need to do this for my soul. And so

651
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: everything was happening in terms of like digital was accelerating

652
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 3: at such a pace it was absolutely phenomenal. And I

653
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 3: started gaming partnerships as well at Ralph Laurence. So like

654
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: we spilt some of the first like experiences on roadblocks

655
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: because that's where a whole new generation are right building

656
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: at the time. Fortnite, Fortnite's actual which is phenomenal, Fortnite's

657
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: actual fashion, like the fashion people where on Fortnite.

658
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Speaker 1: So let's go back to identity.

659
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Speaker 3: Again and how you show yourself, right, what they're putting

660
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: on themselves to like show who they are in Fortnite,

661
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: These kind of fun versions that expression, the fashion, the

662
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: skins on Fortnite's revenue was like more than Prada's was

663
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: more than Burberies was more than it was an amazing

664
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Speaker 3: like it was when I got those data points and figures,

665
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: it was incredible. There was Gucci bike selling on roadblocks

666
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: for more than the physical version and yeah, no, oh

667
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: truly so that someone avatar could walk around because this

668
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: is a social environment and community for them, right, And

669
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: we started to have those conversations we had which was

670
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Speaker 3: like is this real fashion?

671
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: And by the way, what I.

672
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: Tell you who was like so instrumental in making sure

673
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: that Ralph Lauren's fashion partnership and product on those platforms?

674
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: Who was cool Ralph Lauren because he understood it. He

675
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 3: absolutely inherently got it. But you know, conversations were happening

676
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 3: in the culture and psychias, which like is digital fashion real?

677
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: Like is that actually real?

678
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: And they echoed the exact conversations that I was having

679
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: like fourteen your years earlier, which is like is digital

680
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: photos real?

681
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: Instagram photos?

682
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: Right? And I think what I really saw, what I

683
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: know what I saw was, I know what I saw

684
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 3: was that you then started have this kind of huge

685
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 3: group of creators start to create because they had access

686
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: to technology and free soft word that can allow them

687
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 3: to build three D renders of fashion and expression and

688
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: start publishing so people could buy it for their avatar.

689
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Speaker 1: So I was like, this is really really early.

690
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Speaker 3: I think I'm going to try and do this, And

691
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Speaker 3: what I'm going to do is incubate some of those

692
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: incredible designers and build a platform for them to sell

693
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: their work, right, And so I started Psyche, which was

694
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: an incredible journey for me. I raised money. Alexisihanian of Reddit,

695
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: who those seven seven six was my number one investor,

696
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Speaker 3: and you know, well.

697
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Speaker 1: And now very very big in the women's sports space.

698
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, absolutely more of our world's bridging you

699
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Speaker 1: know love And at that time, ninety five percent of

700
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Speaker 1: venture so ninety five percent of money was going to

701
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Speaker 1: men and so only five percent of women.

702
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 3: Only five percent of the capital in the space was

703
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: going to women. So you know, I mean that gives

704
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 3: you which I obviously have a huge problem with. But

705
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 3: when you think about these moments where generational wealth are created, right,

706
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: like are now around AI, you know, around.

707
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Speaker 1: The dawn of social.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you look at the entrepreneurs who build

709
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Speaker 3: the companies who then control so much of culture geopolitics

710
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: by the way Facebook, like think about like now meta

711
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 3: like the impact that has had on it. And if

712
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Speaker 3: there are not women and more diverse representations sitting at

713
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Speaker 3: the top of those companies, we have the same group

714
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 3: of people controlling capital, allocating capital, and honestly then controlling

715
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: like so much of like politics and everything we consume

716
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: in the world. So, you know, that's just a small anecdote,

717
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 3: because I think it's really important for people to know that,

718
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: and as women, you know, acquire capital, how important it

719
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: is to support female run companies and female entrepreneurs because

720
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 3: otherwise we will we will we will not see the

721
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: same success as our male counterparts. And so I started Psyche,

722
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: I raised the money, and I had a phenomenal three years,

723
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Speaker 3: absolutely phenomenal year.

724
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Speaker 1: Three years.

725
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Speaker 3: We am partnered with everyone from like Calvin Klein and

726
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Speaker 3: ID magazine.

727
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Speaker 1: We worked with Apple, we worked with Epic Games.

728
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Speaker 3: We built one of the very first spatial commute computing

729
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: and Apple Vision pro apps, which was the most incredible

730
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Speaker 3: experience to be doing this. And because it's not the

731
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: forefront of technology, right yeah, but if I'm totally honest

732
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Speaker 3: with you, the space didn't accelerate at the pace we

733
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Speaker 3: thought it was. So after three years, in another three years,

734
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Speaker 3: I think a Psyche is going to be primed to win.

735
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: But what you really need for digital fashion to thrive

736
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: is kind of three things, right, More open ecosystems, Instagram

737
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: completely open, right you or I can like go and

738
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Speaker 3: upload a photo to it and get some likes, gain

739
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: of following, and no problem fortnite. You can't just create

740
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Speaker 3: a piece of fashion publish it, you know, do something

741
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: like that. You know, So more open ecosystems, which I

742
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: know will come second, is more ubiquitous hardware that gives

743
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 3: a digital overlay on the physical world. So like we

744
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: see meta ray bands now, right, they get highest selling

745
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 3: ray bands in some stores, meta ray bands not even

746
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 3: kidding you, right that it's incredible, And what they will

747
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: ultimately end up doing is and I believe if you

748
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: wish right, you will have some element of digital overlay

749
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 3: on your world, right like that that will happen if

750
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 3: you would like it. You have it today in your

751
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: car right reverse of car or what do you see?

752
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: Very basic digital overlay on it? And I think that's

753
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: going to be a really, really incredible part of it.

754
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: And then I think third, more creative tools in the

755
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Speaker 3: space that are more ubiquitous. I think AI is having

756
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: a huge impact on that, and so also AI is

757
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 3: getting a ton of investment dollars at the moment. But

758
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Speaker 3: I think we're going to see another really incredible version

759
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Speaker 3: of disruption in the fashion industry, and it's going to

760
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Speaker 3: be coming. I can't tell you exactly when, but I

761
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Speaker 3: think some of the next generation's biggest designers are going

762
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: to be designers who have designed in.

763
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Speaker 1: Digital worlds first and digitally first and.

764
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Speaker 3: Then go to physical in the way that I'm not

765
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Speaker 3: sure we could have had a conversation in the early

766
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Speaker 3: two thousands and being like the biggest media publisher, our

767
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: content publisher in the world is going to be on

768
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Speaker 3: this platform called YouTube versus like HBO.

769
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Speaker 1: Or something like that.

770
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Speaker 3: So I think we're going to see that, and I

771
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: think that's going to be a really incredible time to witness.

772
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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's it. I love that and with

773
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Speaker 1: that because I want to get now you know current,

774
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Speaker 1: and I totally agree with you. I think you were

775
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: at the head, like you're like laying the foundation. I mean,

776
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: think about AI ten fifteen years ago. You know, no

777
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: one would ever think we are where we are today.

778
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Speaker 1: And I think you're absolutely right because digital fashion is

779
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: so much more accessible. I think not everyone can go

780
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Speaker 1: out to a Saline a Chanel. They don't have access

781
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: the month. It's very expensive, whether it's secondhand or not.

782
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: But like so much of the world we're living in

783
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: is digital now and it matters to people. And I

784
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: think you're laying the foundation of what is going to

785
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Speaker 1: be possible soon and I genuinely feel that. And you've

786
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: opened up the floodgates to this world of this imagination

787
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: and this strategic thinking, this creativity, this storytelling in a

788
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: space that people feel so drawn too because you can

789
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Speaker 1: be anyone. That's the coolest part, right, Yeah, you could

790
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: be anyone. Yeah, and it's a cool space to live

791
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: in and not many people do. And you're just seeing

792
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: the floodgates starting to open now in real time. So

793
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Speaker 1: I do think it's it's a pretty cool thing you

794
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Speaker 1: get to say, like before anyone else did it. You

795
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: were in that space, you were the front, you were

796
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: leading that space, and I think that's important and I

797
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: think taking that risk is important and laying that foundation

798
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Speaker 1: of you know, what is possible probably in the next

799
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Speaker 1: five to ten years.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Ash, I'm so excited for it. One of the

801
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 3: things I'm most proud of is and this group called

802
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: the Psyche Collective that we worked with the British Fashion

803
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 3: Council to incubate so again, think about it. The British

804
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: Fashion Council runs London Fashion Week, something that was historically

805
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: and for just British designers, physical designers, and you have

806
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: to be at a certain level. You don't just get

807
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: to be on schedule on any of the fashion weeks, right,

808
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: But British Fashion Council put psycheon schedule with ten designers

809
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: from all over the world, all different backgrounds, incredible creatives,

810
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 3: all representing their culture in different ways, different ideams of

811
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 3: clothing that don't like exist in Western culture. Like an

812
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: incredible showcase of some of the most amazing creatives who

813
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 3: are just raw and pure talent.

814
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Speaker 1: So I'm excited for that future.

815
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Speaker 3: I really am, you know, and I want some of

816
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: those those people that I met on the journey to

817
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 3: like shine and be a part of it.

818
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Speaker 1: I love that. I love that, And I want to

819
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Speaker 1: ask you before we close out this episode, as someone

820
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Speaker 1: who has such a strong point of view when it

821
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: comes to fashion and culture, what do you think about

822
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: this week? This week's oscars? What do you what do

823
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Speaker 1: you think about?

824
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Speaker 3: Oh?

825
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: I just have so many questions, and I know we

826
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: don't have much time, but I do want to land

827
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 1: like what there are people who are playing it safe.

828
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Speaker 1: There are people who are pushing the cultural boundaries. There

829
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Speaker 1: are people showing up on the Red Carpet right now

830
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Speaker 1: that I never thought in a million years aka gap,

831
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Speaker 1: Like so freaking cool that you're seeing so many incredible

832
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, fashion designers and creatives emerging on the biggest stage.

833
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Speaker 1: Who were you most impressed by for the Oscars?

834
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Speaker 3: Okay, so for the Oscars, obviously Irish represented over the

835
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 3: moon with that, would have liked to see more Irish

836
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: designers on the Red carpets in Russia, but obviously you've

837
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 3: got Jonathan Anderson and do you org phenomenal job. My favorite, favorite,

838
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: favorite favorite is a singer called Audrey Nuna and she

839
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 3: was starting K pop Demon Hunters, yes, and she also

840
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: collaborated with Psyche and so I know Audrey and she

841
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 3: is an artist and creative like through and through. But

842
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 3: what she did on the Red carpet for me was

843
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: if anyone hasn't seen it, lock her up. And she's

844
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 3: a phenomenal artist. But I would say the way she

845
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 3: expresses herself through.

846
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: Fashion is best in class.

847
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 3: And she worked with Tom Brown, someone again you know

848
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: very well asked she worked with Tom Brown on her

849
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 3: red carpet look, I think changed into a Margala's suit,

850
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Speaker 3: and then for the v for her performance, and then

851
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 3: for the Vanity Fair Oscar party.

852
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Speaker 1: It was a mature.

853
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 3: Mason Margella piece of art that she wore, and she

854
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: leaned into her theme of golden and I saw it

855
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: and it stopped me in my tracks. It was absolutely phenomenal.

856
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: She is an icon, She is major, She is an

857
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 3: absolute icon, and if I was at any fashion house now,

858
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 3: I would be figuring out how I could dress her

859
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 3: because she is expressive and she is daring, and she

860
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Speaker 3: I think, sees fashion again as a way to express

861
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 3: her identity in a really brave way. So anyone who

862
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 3: didn't see it lucker up, and anyone who did see

863
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 3: it like, oh my god, for men.

864
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Speaker 1: Suiting, I really, you know, Michael B. Jordans stole the night.

865
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Speaker 1: But there was something about him understanding the assignment, the confidence,

866
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Speaker 1: the silhouette, the culture. It just fit for me. The simplicity. Sometimes,

867
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: like I think on red carpets, sometimes we try to

868
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: do too much, and actually doing less is the most

869
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: elegant thing you can do. And I just think everything

870
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: about it was so crisp and so beautiful. It didn't

871
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: feel like too much, it didn't feel like it wasn't enough.

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Speaker 1: It just was perfect. In my opinion, I.

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Speaker 3: Agree with you Ash, what a phenomenal man, you know,

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Speaker 3: Oh what a phenomenal performance. And he looked incredible. He

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Speaker 3: looked absolutely incredible. So Audrey Nuna and Michael B. Jordan

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Speaker 3: are the winners.

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Speaker 1: Okay, love that. So what's next for you? I am

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Speaker 1: curious with your life and your your love for digital

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Speaker 1: and fashion and storytelling and moving culture forward. You you

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Speaker 1: have all of these. You have an insane resume at

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Speaker 1: this point in your young life. Like, what's next for you?

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Speaker 1: What are you excited about? Oh? Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm having a phenomenal time on the board of

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Speaker 3: directors of Zelando. So for any American listeners, Zelanda is

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Speaker 3: the largest e comm fashion marketplace in Europe. It is

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Speaker 3: they're in highstnabiety, but they are just a phenomenal fashion platform,

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Speaker 3: like so important to me at Ralph Lauren, so important

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Speaker 3: to many of the brands that you love and in

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Speaker 3: Europe and so to be. And I've also sat on

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Speaker 3: the board of directors of Soho Hicks Group when I

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Speaker 3: was when I joined that I was the youngest director.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the s and P.

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Speaker 3: Five hundred of my year of nomination, which was a

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Speaker 3: phenomenal moment for me because as you work in the

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Speaker 3: corporate world, you know so much. As you know, you

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Speaker 3: kind of build yourself through different positions levels. But to

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Speaker 3: sit at the at the board level for me and

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Speaker 3: was such an amazing moment because I got to, you know,

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Speaker 3: partake in governance and partake in an advisory capacity and

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Speaker 3: then also learn a lot. Right, So it has been

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Speaker 3: that for me as a phenomenal journey. Zelando are the

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Speaker 3: most incredible company. And then as for me, you'll see,

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Speaker 3: that's what I'll say. I'm really listen, I'm really looking

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Speaker 3: forward to getting back into an operating role and I'm

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Speaker 3: super excited to I have to be totally honest with you,

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Speaker 3: and I don't think people talk about this enough. I

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Speaker 3: needed a break, Yes, I needed such a break. I

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Speaker 3: have run at everything for I mean, I think I

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Speaker 3: got my first job when I was like thirteen or fourteen,

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Speaker 3: you know, and since I've come from college, I have

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Speaker 3: not stopped. And I have run so fast and so

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Speaker 3: quickly through the various stages of my career. That I

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Speaker 3: actually wanted a moment to pause and reflect because as

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Speaker 3: I close out my thirties, and I really want to

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Speaker 3: make sure that my next chapter is what feels really

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Speaker 3: good for me and is aligned with where I want

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Speaker 3: to be and go in life and a place that

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Speaker 3: I can add value while also learning, which is I

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Speaker 3: find the best way to be in a two way exchange.

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Speaker 3: But I needed a break, so I've taken a little sabbatical.

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Speaker 3: I have to have confidence in that, right you can

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Speaker 3: sometimes have confidence in your nose, which is something you've

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Speaker 3: got to get comfortable with, and so to say, you know,

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Speaker 3: not yet, not right now, And because my body, my

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Speaker 3: nervous system, my mind just needed a moment. And while

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Speaker 3: I take that moment, I think contributing at the board

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Speaker 3: level has been a phenomenal way to keep that executive

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Speaker 3: brain functioning and doing so much. And like AI and Agentticai,

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Speaker 3: through this and through a lot of this has just

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Speaker 3: been my brain working really hard while getting the time

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Speaker 3: to like rest and break at the same time. And

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Speaker 3: it's a gift. I feel incredibly lucky to be able

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Speaker 3: to do this. And then when I already say what's next,

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Speaker 3: you're going to be first to know, Ash, I.

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Speaker 1: Know, I can't wait. Well, that's a beautiful way to

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Speaker 1: end because it is so true and like boundaries are

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00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: important and knowing yourself enough and knowing when to rest

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Speaker 1: is so key to the longevity of beautiful careers, and

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Speaker 1: you're building that. I'm very proud to be your friend.

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Speaker 1: Of all the things you've accomplished. Has been incredible to watch,

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Speaker 1: and weirdly enough, it's just the start of something magical.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for being here, Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: wide open, Thank you for being such a good friend.

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Speaker 1: You're a magical unicorn that I adore so much. I

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Speaker 1: love you dearly and this is wide open. Thanks Alice,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. You are the

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Speaker 1: absolute best. All right, everyone, What a great episode that

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Speaker 1: was Alice de la Hunt. And what I keep thinking

949
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Speaker 1: about after that conversation is the idea of evolution, not

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Speaker 1: just professionally but personally, the courage it takes to leave

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Speaker 1: what you know and trust your instincts when they don't

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Speaker 1: make sense to anyone else yet but you and you

953
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Speaker 1: keep redefining yourself without asking permission. Alice's story is a

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Speaker 1: reminder that you don't have to follow a straight line

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Speaker 1: to build something meaningful, you just have to be willing

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Speaker 1: to move when something inside you says it's time, and

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Speaker 1: maybe more importantly, to build a life that actually feels

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Speaker 1: like yours when you're doing it. If this episode resonates

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Speaker 1: with you, like, subscribe, share, and we'll see you next

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Speaker 1: week on another episode of Wide Open. Wide Open with

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Speaker 1: Ashland Harris is an iHeart women's sports production. You can

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Speaker 1: find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Our producers are Carmen Borca Correo,

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Speaker 1: Emily Maronov, and Lucy Jones. Production assistants from Malia Aguidello.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder.

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Speaker 1: Our editors are Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder and I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Ashlyn Harris