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Speaker 1: I'm Evan Lazar, joined us Always by Alex Barth, and uh,
Speaker 1: we do have some construction right outside. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I was very concious. Definitely some drilling. We're we're working
Speaker 1: on it, um, so apologies for that. But I want
Speaker 1: to start with looking back on to Sunday, and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna look ahead and talk about some of the
Speaker 1: big picture stuff that I I bet it is being
Speaker 1: talked about down the hall, honestly, about where they go
Speaker 1: after the buy and what they can do these next
Speaker 1: couple of days and use these days to kind of
Speaker 1: self scout and make some system. I think what he's
Speaker 1: scheme tweaks or scheme adjustments, I think is what Belichick
Speaker 1: called it yesterday. So there's some of that going on, certainly,
Speaker 1: But I want to start with Sunday and also talk
Speaker 1: about maca in a general sense as well moving forward,
Speaker 1: because Alex, I think I've definitely come off on the
Speaker 1: mac apologist side lately, right. I think the rest of
Speaker 1: this thing around him has really torn him down. And
Speaker 1: the main reason why I feel that way is because
Speaker 1: his strengths coming in the draft, his strengths last year, processing,
Speaker 1: in accuracy down the field, right, Like those are his
Speaker 1: two calling cards. When those things just regress out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: like Mac Jones has been a smart, cerebral quarterback probably
Speaker 1: his entire life, right, Like you probably would have to
Speaker 1: go back to like Pop worn or to find like
Speaker 1: a time when Mac Jones was not seeing the field
Speaker 1: or not getting the ball where it needed to go,
Speaker 1: or like things like that, like how many you watched
Speaker 1: him a ton of Alabama? How many times did that
Speaker 1: happen at Alabama? Like he didn't, right, And it didn't
Speaker 1: happen last year either, like the struggles that I saw
Speaker 1: from Mac Jones and after the by last year along
Speaker 1: with the rest of the team. But I thought what
Speaker 1: we saw with Mac was more physical limitations, right, Like
Speaker 1: he just doesn't have the rocket arm to fit the
Speaker 1: ball twenty five yards down the field between two zone
Speaker 1: defenders that are closing on his receiver, right like, and
Speaker 1: teams I think caught onto some of those things, and
Speaker 1: we're adjusting to take away the short and intermediate stuff
Speaker 1: and force the ball and funnel the ball out towards
Speaker 1: the sideline. And that was the type of regression that
Speaker 1: I was expecting from Mac Jones, was defense is adjusting
Speaker 1: to what he's good at, recognizing that he doesn't have
Speaker 1: this the physical physical tools, excuse me, of a Josh
Speaker 1: Allen or a Justin Herbert or Patrick Mahomes and forcing
Speaker 1: him to be that type of player as best as
Speaker 1: they can schematically on defense, When he regresses, when his
Speaker 1: strengths regress, that points to me to what's going on
Speaker 1: around him, right Like. You don't just get to that
Speaker 1: point on his own. And when we watched the tape
Speaker 1: against the Colts, to me, this was the worst decision
Speaker 1: making game that Mac Jones has ever played with the Patriots.
Speaker 1: And I know he didn't even turn the ball over.
Speaker 1: So just like, think about that for a second, right
Speaker 1: just in terms of pure processing, where he's supposed to
Speaker 1: go with the football, when he's supposed to go there
Speaker 1: with the football between the ears stuff, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it. Processing field vision. It was as bad
Speaker 1: as I've ever seen it from him. And that has
Speaker 1: to point in my mind to trust and comfort, like
Speaker 1: his comfort level and what they're doing, what he's being
Speaker 1: asked to do, Like where is he supposed to start
Speaker 1: in the progression? Is he supposed to start to the left,
Speaker 1: to the right, to the middle of the field. What's
Speaker 1: his first read, what's his second read, what's his third,
Speaker 1: what's his you know, where's his check down? Releasing into
Speaker 1: the pad? And like those types of things it has
Speaker 1: it stems from all of that, and then you also
Speaker 1: get into the timing right of he has a three
Speaker 1: step drop here, but we're asking receivers to run rout
Speaker 1: step break at twelve yards down the field. Well, if
Speaker 1: receivers are running vertical routes down the field on the
Speaker 1: three step drop, then that's forcing the quarterback to just
Speaker 1: sit there and hold the ball right, hold the ball
Speaker 1: and hold the ball, and hold the ball and wait
Speaker 1: for guys to get open down the field. So you
Speaker 1: saw a lot of that on this tape as well.
Speaker 1: So his mental processing skills did not They just couldn't
Speaker 1: have gone back to where they couldn't have hit rock
Speaker 1: bottom like this without the whole thing around him being terrible. Now,
Speaker 1: with that being said, he did not play well against
Speaker 1: the Colts on Sunday, And no one is trying to
Speaker 1: sit here and say that mac Jones has been good, right,
Speaker 1: Like he's not been good contest context, it's explaining why
Speaker 1: he looks the way that he does. And I mean
Speaker 1: he talked about his comfort love with what they runn
Speaker 1: how about his comfort level in the pocket? Yeah, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have time, and on the few plays he does,
Speaker 1: he's sitting back there feeling rushed because he feels like
Speaker 1: he's about to get hit in any second because he's
Speaker 1: not used to having that kind of time. So again,
Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of the macapologist thing,
Speaker 1: Like you said, No, it's explaining what's going on. People
Speaker 1: will say, oh, I knew this was mac Jones. I
Speaker 1: knew he was this guy. Well, then why wasn't he
Speaker 1: this guy last year as a rookie when he had
Speaker 1: less experience? Right? He said, oh, well last year doesn't count, Well,
Speaker 1: then why does this year count so much more than
Speaker 1: last year? Right? It's just adding context and right now
Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. He's not comfortable, and when
Speaker 1: you're not comfortable as a quarterback, you make mistakes because
Speaker 1: you get rushed, you get nervous, and that's what we're
Speaker 1: seeing right now. Yeah, that's the biggest thing I think
Speaker 1: from this last game that really stood out on the
Speaker 1: ALL twenty two was not progressing past the first read
Speaker 1: in the progression right right, and at this stage of
Speaker 1: Mac Jones's career and even in his rookie season, because
Speaker 1: he is a smart passer and he is somebody that
Speaker 1: goes through his reads quickly typically until this year, they
Speaker 1: are having him read full field progressions. He is not
Speaker 1: reading half the field, right, or he's not supposed to
Speaker 1: be reading half the field. But what's happening in a
Speaker 1: lot of these plays is he's only reading like the
Speaker 1: first or second read in the progression and then he's
Speaker 1: kind of goes into panic mode a little bit, right
Speaker 1: because he thinks he's about to get clocked. Because that's
Speaker 1: how it's been this season. Yeah, either he's going to
Speaker 1: be clocked or there's nobody open initially, So now where
Speaker 1: do I go with the football? And it just doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like I have seen recently. Mac Jones go from
Speaker 1: one side of the field to another and hidden receiver
Speaker 1: in rhythm on the second reader on the backside of
Speaker 1: a play or whatever the case may be. And I
Speaker 1: think the number one play that's going around is that
Speaker 1: that Kendrick Bourne pass that he missed. Dan Orlovsky tweeted it,
Speaker 1: I talked about it, but Dard talked about it. So
Speaker 1: you look at that play and the thought process in
Speaker 1: that play is not terrible because the way the safety
Speaker 1: rotation plays out in the back end, He's got a
Speaker 1: one on one matchup with Taekwon Thornton with no safety
Speaker 1: help over the top right, So he's thinking, if Taikwon
Speaker 1: beats to Fan Gilmour here at the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: I have a chance for a big play down the
Speaker 1: field with no safety help. Take it out of the
Speaker 1: fact for a second that he's asking his rookie wide
Speaker 1: receiver to go up against a former defensive player of
Speaker 1: the year right and win them one on one matchup.
Speaker 1: Take that out for a second. As soon as Taekwon
Speaker 1: Thornton's covered on the play in the first let's call
Speaker 1: it initial stages of the route right at the release
Speaker 1: and at the beginning or through the stem as he's
Speaker 1: getting vertical up the field and cancel it right, like
Speaker 1: he's not open, like move on to something else. So
Speaker 1: instead he just sits there and holds the ball and
Speaker 1: holds the ball and holds the ball and eventually he
Speaker 1: forces it to remandre on the checkdown and he's covered
Speaker 1: and it's incomplete. On the front side of the play,
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourden is sitting open, wide open at the sticks
Speaker 1: like this, like, yeah, hello over here, right. What the
Speaker 1: Patriots want him to do or what he should do.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say what the Patriots want him to
Speaker 1: do because I don't know, first of all, and second
Speaker 1: of all, I have no idea what they're coaching him
Speaker 1: right now. So what he should be doing there is
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give my guy a chance for half a
Speaker 1: beat a beat to win that one on one. If
Speaker 1: it's not there, I'm gonna go to the front side
Speaker 1: of the formation with the three receiver side, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to just work out that progression. Right. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a sale concept. It's like stick corner vertical right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read the progression and make the right throw.
Speaker 1: If he had done that, if he had given Taekwon
Speaker 1: a chance initially in his drop, he looks at it,
Speaker 1: he sees Taekwon come off the line covered going back
Speaker 1: to my right, he would have had the first down.
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, he's getting frozen on those reads.
Speaker 1: There's a play earlier on in the game where he
Speaker 1: had Hunter Henry open in the flat for a checkdown
Speaker 1: and he's reading the vertical routes and the content is
Speaker 1: actually the same style of play, the same floodplay, and
Speaker 1: he's reading the corner and the vertical and trying to
Speaker 1: throw it past the sticks to Jacobe Myers on third down.
Speaker 1: And by the time he makes a decision to not
Speaker 1: throw the football, he then tries to run instead of
Speaker 1: just checking the ball down a Hunter Henry and he
Speaker 1: takes a sack. Right. So these types of things where
Speaker 1: he's just not progressing past the initial reads and he
Speaker 1: doesn't feel comfortable getting to the front side of a
Speaker 1: play when he starts on the backside, or vice versa.
Speaker 1: This stuff just was not happening during his rookie season.
Speaker 1: This is not mac Jones has hit his physical ceiling
Speaker 1: right and teams are catching on to it. This is
Speaker 1: mac Jones is not seeing the field, which is a
Speaker 1: totally different animal than anything that I expected, as like
Speaker 1: I just never expected us to be here, Like I
Speaker 1: expected us to at least have that feather in our cap, right, right,
Speaker 1: You know, he's an accurate thrower within tw yards of
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, and he has good eyes. He
Speaker 1: gets the ball where the ball needs to go. We're
Speaker 1: not there anymore where we've completely aggressed. Yeah, and again
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is a situation they've
Speaker 1: put him in, right you talk. I heard you guys
Speaker 1: talking on Unfiltered before this about the way they're kind
Speaker 1: of marrying some of the concepts to his responsibilities, some
Speaker 1: of the route concepts his responsibilities if if there's no
Speaker 1: right answer on the play as it's designed, what's the
Speaker 1: read right? Yeah, And it feels it's probably a bit
Speaker 1: of an oversimplification, but you know, essentially reading the field,
Speaker 1: you're looking for the right answer. You have, you have
Speaker 1: your set, the defense is they're set, and somewhere in
Speaker 1: there there's a right answer. Usually it feels like a
Speaker 1: lot of the plate, the the chances he's being given
Speaker 1: right now, there's no right answers. So of course he
Speaker 1: looks flumex. Yeah, I think the other concern and I
Speaker 1: want to I think this is like the most fair
Speaker 1: criticism of him I can give on this. There are
Speaker 1: some throws where quite his accuracy just isn't as good
Speaker 1: as it was. Yeah, And I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: it's it is. I would say, like my take on it,
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't inside his head, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: And my take on it is that this is all related,
Speaker 1: of course. Of course, no, of course, because suddenly, you know,
Speaker 1: especially to half the success he had last year. He's
Speaker 1: been successful his whole career, right right from Alabama, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's all gonna compound. Right if there's plays
Speaker 1: where it's just not there and you can't get it done,
Speaker 1: even if it's not your fault, you're gonna start thinking
Speaker 1: it is or start second guessing yourself, and then when
Speaker 1: you do have those opportunities, that that doubts still there.
Speaker 1: It's that that concept of being sped up is something
Speaker 1: that I've hammered. I think that's what it all comes
Speaker 1: down to. He didn't get any pass protection going back
Speaker 1: to training camp, and it's just completely changed the way
Speaker 1: he sees the game. It's gone from going through the
Speaker 1: progressions and figuring it out and reading the defense because
Speaker 1: now he feels like he doesn't have time to do it,
Speaker 1: to just try to make snap decisions. And now even
Speaker 1: when he does have the time, he's just developed all
Speaker 1: these bad habits because of all the instances when he didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: totally fair. And the first read quarterback thing. You usually
Speaker 1: hear about young quarterbacks, but in particular, usually hear about
Speaker 1: young mobile quarterbacks right where their instincts are. If the
Speaker 1: first read isn't there, I'm running. That was the whole
Speaker 1: thing with Justin Fields, right. But luckily for Chicago, Justin
Speaker 1: Fields is an awesome runner. So lately, like against the Patriots,
Speaker 1: he ran all over teams, right like last week against
Speaker 1: Miami's running all over them. So that's you know, the
Speaker 1: other side of this is that Mac Jones in order
Speaker 1: to succeed, needs to be that cerebral pastor like he
Speaker 1: needs to be a high level processor then order to succeed.
Speaker 1: So all this other trickle down stuff he's got to
Speaker 1: figure out. Now. The accuracy thing I think is really
Speaker 1: interesting because as much as I want i'm a quarterback apologist,
Speaker 1: I'm a Mac guy, right, that's where we're at now,
Speaker 1: believe it or not, as much as I want to
Speaker 1: put it on the offensive line and look at these
Speaker 1: two plays and say, there's pressure in his face. His
Speaker 1: line broke down and basically gave him no chance. There
Speaker 1: were two plays in the game that I thought really
Speaker 1: stood out from an accuracy standpoint, where I thought, if
Speaker 1: he's comfortable in the pocket under pressure, he still hits
Speaker 1: these throws. And I think maybe hits these throws last year.
Speaker 1: The first one was the wheel route to Ormandre right
Speaker 1: where it works. It's pick wheel. Taekwon Thorton picks Rmandre's
Speaker 1: guy in man coverage. He's got like a step and
Speaker 1: a half on the linebacker, and there is pressure in
Speaker 1: mac Jones's face. Yannika Juice gets beat by quitty Pay
Speaker 1: off the right edge, and Quittypay is right in his
Speaker 1: grill as he releases the football. Still a throw i'd
Speaker 1: like him to hit. Yeah, still throw, I'd like him
Speaker 1: to hit every once in a while. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to make some plays under pressure, right, and that's still
Speaker 1: a throw that it's a hard throw. Hey, it's under press, sure,
Speaker 1: But if he's the guy, if he's a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: I still want him to make that through. The other
Speaker 1: throw was the crossing route to Kendrick Bourne the very
Speaker 1: first third down of the game that Cole Strange gets
Speaker 1: beat by DeForrest Buckner and Buckner's in his face. And
Speaker 1: could Kendrick Borne have caught the ball. Probably? Could he
Speaker 1: have not slown down on the route and run through it.
Speaker 1: Probably he still put it too far out. That's another
Speaker 1: one too where and maybe in this situation helped with
Speaker 1: the blitz, But that was a one read play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was There was a clear out route. Right. It's
Speaker 1: the same play that they ran to Jacobe Myers on
Speaker 1: third down the week before, right, and he's what is
Speaker 1: He's like six seven yards short of the sticks. That's
Speaker 1: the Kendrick Borne is the only receiver Mac Jones can
Speaker 1: throw the ball too. On that play. Nobody else is
Speaker 1: realistically in the pattern. So yeah, it wasn't a great throw.
Speaker 1: But I look at that and say, well, why why
Speaker 1: are they running that play? There? It goes back to
Speaker 1: my thing where there's no right answer. Even if he
Speaker 1: completes that, Kendrick Bourne gets tackled probably right there, maybe
Speaker 1: picks up the yarch, not to his fault. The defenders
Speaker 1: right on him, right, they come up, you know, third
Speaker 1: and fifteen they pick up or I think it was
Speaker 1: third and fifteen, third and whatever it was. I have
Speaker 1: it right in front of me. I probably could actually
Speaker 1: just say it right? Should I do that? Should I
Speaker 1: be right? Evan? Let me be right here. I actually
Speaker 1: think he had some room third and twelve, Third and twelve.
Speaker 1: He caught it like five yards. He caught it like
Speaker 1: five yards off the line of scrimmage, seven yards short
Speaker 1: of the sticks. Maybe he picks it up, but it's
Speaker 1: not easy. Let's see he gets tackled. Then it's all, well,
Speaker 1: why's mac throwing short of the sticks on third down?
Speaker 1: Is he doing that right? It goes back to my
Speaker 1: point of there there are plays they're running where there's
Speaker 1: just no right answer, and I think he's struggling to
Speaker 1: figure out what to do with that. So to me,
Speaker 1: what all this adds up? And this is sort of
Speaker 1: what I got into and unfiltered. But you know, there's
Speaker 1: obviously a lot more voices in that room, so he
Speaker 1: can hash it out more here. To me, these are
Speaker 1: all not max like big picture, but some of this
Speaker 1: execution stuff that we're talking about I think is micro
Speaker 1: is fixable, right Like, I think that some of this
Speaker 1: execution stuff, the timing of the drops and the routes,
Speaker 1: the uh you know, handling pressure or or improving the
Speaker 1: offensive lines so he's not under a pressure as much.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about right tackle, Like that's the one
Speaker 1: spot where we're going to get to in a second
Speaker 1: where I'm not sure that that's fixable with their current
Speaker 1: roster construction unless they do something something you have to
Speaker 1: figure out how to work around. Yeah, right, correct. But
Speaker 1: on a macro level, Matt Macro, I think some of
Speaker 1: the like mac ah, there you go. On a macro level,
Speaker 1: I think there's two big things that that from a
Speaker 1: coaching and coordinating standpoint that really stand out to me.
Speaker 1: Play design. It's simple and it's unimaginative, Like there's just
Speaker 1: nothing create like, there's no conflict. It's not putting any
Speaker 1: conflict into the defense, right, like just calling plays like
Speaker 1: it almost reminds me of like what they talk about
Speaker 1: when they talk about training camp. Right when they say
Speaker 1: that training camp, we're just running basic, like we're just
Speaker 1: running our install, like we're running day one stuff and
Speaker 1: we're just trying to get the execution down of our
Speaker 1: basic play. I know you kind of hate this, but
Speaker 1: the term I always uses Madden offense, Yeah, because with
Speaker 1: the playbooks in Madden are if you ever played Madden, like,
Speaker 1: they're just that's not really how NFL plays are called.
Speaker 1: It's a very oversimplified version of how NFL plays are called.
Speaker 1: But teams will do it, you know, in training camp
Speaker 1: in the preseason when you have ninety guys and you're
Speaker 1: just you know, it's one thing to run in the preseason.
Speaker 1: It makes some sense to run in the preseason, not
Speaker 1: necessarily in Week nine. Yeah. There's just so few times
Speaker 1: where I sit there and I'm like, that was that
Speaker 1: was a good design, right, that was like a cool play,
Speaker 1: Like that's why when they ran the touchdown to Jacobe
Speaker 1: against the Bears the league playoff play action with Bailey Zappy,
Speaker 1: I lost my mind in the press box because I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, my goodness, don't admit that they finally
Speaker 1: ran something that like that was cool, Like, yes, like
Speaker 1: that's what we're supposed to. That's coordinating. So it's that's
Speaker 1: play design, I think, and maybe people who don't watch
Speaker 1: the game as close as we do, just to kind
Speaker 1: of explain this a little further, because it's there are
Speaker 1: people who I tell this to them and they're kind
Speaker 1: of surprised that this level goes into it. It's not
Speaker 1: five guys running five routes. When you call a passing play,
Speaker 1: they're all most of the time, they don't all have
Speaker 1: to interconnect. But when we talk about route concepts, this
Speaker 1: is what we mean. You run a guy on a post,
Speaker 1: and then you run from the from the boundary, and
Speaker 1: then you run a guy from the slot on a wheel.
Speaker 1: This is just one of hundreds of concepts, but those
Speaker 1: two work in tandem to create space. Right. That's and
Speaker 1: that's kind of what you're talking about. Is you can
Speaker 1: just give five guys five different assignments and have them
Speaker 1: all run them, and that's all well and good, But
Speaker 1: what you really want to do is pair. It can
Speaker 1: be two together, it can be three together. There's probably
Speaker 1: some plays where there's five together. I can't think of
Speaker 1: one off the top of my head. I guess hoss
Speaker 1: kind of is five? Right, Well, that's those are like
Speaker 1: full field progressions, right, Like that's the difference. But but
Speaker 1: the idea is that you're running, you're running these concepts
Speaker 1: in tandem with one another to elicit some sort of
Speaker 1: reaction from the defense, and that can be any various
Speaker 1: number of things. But you're trying to put guys in
Speaker 1: conflict by what you're showing them. And then what you
Speaker 1: can do is take those concepts and build you take
Speaker 1: it to the next dimension. You build off of those
Speaker 1: concepts throughout multiple plays where you know it's you set
Speaker 1: them up one way and then you give them the
Speaker 1: other that kind of thing. Whereas that that there's not
Speaker 1: a ton of that right now. Right, So the easiest
Speaker 1: example that I can give is like the Shanahan tree,
Speaker 1: because it's it is pretty simple stuff. Right, So it's
Speaker 1: outside zone, outside zone, and now we're bootleg right, and
Speaker 1: we bootleg off of outside zone. And when we bootleg
Speaker 1: off of outside zone, we have like five different route
Speaker 1: concepts that we run off the bootleg. So some of
Speaker 1: it is just half field, like you know, crossers right
Speaker 1: into that half of the field. It could be slant,
Speaker 1: slant slant and then slant guard right. And then some
Speaker 1: of it is half boot where actually the quarterback is
Speaker 1: booting but then kind of stays more in the middle
Speaker 1: of the field instead of going all the way out
Speaker 1: to the into the boundary into the sideline, and then
Speaker 1: those have different route concepts off of it and different
Speaker 1: things that we can do off of it. So it's
Speaker 1: all sorts of complimentary plays. Like the Patriots all go
Speaker 1: to play for years. Off of play action is called
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley where they pull the backside guard. They made
Speaker 1: all their play calls after like legendary basketball players. So
Speaker 1: like Hosses is Michael Jordan right the goat, then like
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley is the pulling guard play. So they'll pull
Speaker 1: the guard right because they're a guard pulling heavy team.
Speaker 1: So when they run the football, it's it's counter, it's power.
Speaker 1: We're pulling the guard and we're going through. So they'll
Speaker 1: pull the guard and then they can pull the guard
Speaker 1: and they can put a crossing route behind it, right
Speaker 1: where a Gronk or Julian Edelman would cross on an
Speaker 1: over route across the field. Then they'll run Charles Barkley,
Speaker 1: same blocking scheme, same everything up front, but now runs
Speaker 1: the seam right instead of running the crosser. So now
Speaker 1: we have that. Now we have Julian Edelman. Instead of
Speaker 1: running the crosser, he's gonna run like a postcrosser right
Speaker 1: where he fakes inside and then he breaks outside, right.
Speaker 1: So those are the different compliments, are the different things
Speaker 1: that they can play with that allow them to build
Speaker 1: plays up. And you don't hear Shack Leonard's calling out
Speaker 1: our plays at the line of scriminals. And that's thing
Speaker 1: because it all looks the same. It's like when you
Speaker 1: see those videos of pitchers right on Twitter where a
Speaker 1: guy's fastball and slider. You know, the arm actions the same,
Speaker 1: the release points the same, the first you know, ten
Speaker 1: feet to the mound, it's the same, and then they
Speaker 1: split in two different directions. Right. That's essentially kind of
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do with your offense exactly. And
Speaker 1: I think that these types of things are like PhD level, right,
Speaker 1: like this is like graduate school, this is like big leagues,
Speaker 1: And right now you have an offensive coordinator and an
Speaker 1: offensive staff really with Patricia and Joe Judge that are
Speaker 1: learning on the fly how to do this, so they
Speaker 1: are elementary. And I kind of agree. I think Paul
Speaker 1: and Fred were talking about this unfiltered. I kind of
Speaker 1: agree that Bill Belichick has sort of put Matt Patricia
Speaker 1: in a terrible spot, right like He's a defensive coach
Speaker 1: his whole career. Now he's moving over to offense. They're
Speaker 1: also dealing him a second a second year quarterback, right
Speaker 1: It's not like they have Tom Brady here still where
Speaker 1: it's like all right, Matt, like you're going to coordinate
Speaker 1: the offense, but really Brady's the coach, right, Like, there's
Speaker 1: not that much going on right now. So I do
Speaker 1: think that Matt Patricia is in a tough spot, Like
Speaker 1: I do think it's a difficult position to be in
Speaker 1: for him. But I just think there's a level of sophistication.
Speaker 1: And this is why, you know, I kind of downplayed
Speaker 1: the Shack Leonard thing, and I do think it does
Speaker 1: deserve some downplaying. But at the same time, it does
Speaker 1: definitely suggest the fact that they're plays are pretty pretty
Speaker 1: basic right now. And I'll sit up there in the
Speaker 1: press box or you know, on all twenty two and
Speaker 1: like be like they run this play every way, right,
Speaker 1: Like I see this play every week. I see this
Speaker 1: play every week. I see that play every week. And
Speaker 1: their most successful stuff has honestly been the RPOs lately,
Speaker 1: and that's because it's finally something that just organically creates
Speaker 1: conflict in the defense, right, Like there, it's just a
Speaker 1: play design that is already creating conflict in the defense,
Speaker 1: even if you run it at the simplest of levels
Speaker 1: like they're doing right now. Well, so that to go
Speaker 1: back to what you said about it all like the
Speaker 1: plays look basic. It's not even that the plays themselves
Speaker 1: are basic. I mean that's a part of it. But
Speaker 1: none of them look like each other. Yeah, right, they
Speaker 1: all and they all look very different. So there's not
Speaker 1: a ton of you know, all right, we've seen this
Speaker 1: look already, but is it going this way or this way?
Speaker 1: They're not creating that. And again, the RPO, like you said,
Speaker 1: is something that naturally, the whole concept behind the concept
Speaker 1: is is pick a defender, put him in conflict, right,
Speaker 1: That's what the entire thing is predicating on, right, So
Speaker 1: it's built in. Yeah, it's a great point about how
Speaker 1: there it doesn't look like they're building up to anything, right, Like,
Speaker 1: it never looks like they're sequencing together things to like
Speaker 1: build up to a bigger thing. It all just kind
Speaker 1: of looks like they're just calling plays, right, like we're
Speaker 1: just running plays. And that's the difference I think between
Speaker 1: a really experienced play caller and somebody that's doing it
Speaker 1: for the first time, and that's where the Patriots are at. Offensively,
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about the offensive line, and
Speaker 1: this is kind of we kind of went into what
Speaker 1: I was going to do, which was sort of making
Speaker 1: fixes and tweaks during the bye week. Here already, I
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing as much as we can get
Speaker 1: into and I love the skiing talk as much as anybody,
Speaker 1: as much as we can get into all the excess
Speaker 1: and knows and how they can improve there. At the
Speaker 1: end of the day, if they block better, the whole
Speaker 1: thing is going to look better. It really is everybody
Speaker 1: talking about Max not the guy and this and that,
Speaker 1: like you can't know. We can't know, because there's just
Speaker 1: it all starts with the offensive line. If the offensive
Speaker 1: line is not there, has Mack really been given a
Speaker 1: fair shot this year? No, he hasn't. Isn't it time
Speaker 1: to throw anything? So and by the way, I'd say
Speaker 1: the same. I think the run game probably could be better.
Speaker 1: I know people are super high on Romandre and rightfully so,
Speaker 1: he's been amazing. Standpoint, they're twenty second in DA feels
Speaker 1: like his kind of potentials untapped right now, right with
Speaker 1: Damon Harris, like, they have much better runners than this.
Speaker 1: I would even say some of these receivers, a guy
Speaker 1: like Taekwon Thornton whose roub tree is going to be
Speaker 1: mostly intermediate and deep stuff. You need time to throw
Speaker 1: those routes, right. So I think it all even the
Speaker 1: play calling, well, maybe they can't run some of the
Speaker 1: stuff that they want to get to at the next
Speaker 1: level because they don't have time to block it, right.
Speaker 1: So I think it all ultimately comes back down to
Speaker 1: the offensive line. I'm not saying that if they fix
Speaker 1: the offensive line, they'll suddenly be, you know, the best
Speaker 1: offense in the league, but we'll have a much better
Speaker 1: idea of what everything else looks like if and when
Speaker 1: they can just get some of this stuff blocked. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: speaking of that from a pure personnel standpoint, I wanted
Speaker 1: to go over well we felt is their best five
Speaker 1: man combination. Okay, so right now, last week the combination
Speaker 1: they rolled with the most and the one they ended
Speaker 1: with was Yanni Kajused at right tackle. On when you
Speaker 1: at right guard, James Farren said, center, Win at left guard,
Speaker 1: Brown at left tackle. Now David Andrews back at practice
Speaker 1: to the right, which is massive. So put David Andrews
Speaker 1: back at center. What are you doing? The two weak
Speaker 1: points are the two you know, kind of tipping points
Speaker 1: right now are clearly left guard and right tackle. Right
Speaker 1: those are the two probats that you're really having a
Speaker 1: ton of problems. Right guard has been rock solid, and
Speaker 1: I would say Trent's been solid too, So I'm not
Speaker 1: Trent Brown. Yeah, Trent Brown hasn't been perfect. But if
Speaker 1: Trent Brown was the worst performer on the offensive line
Speaker 1: this year, they'd beat they'd be in great shape. Right excellent,
Speaker 1: So center, right guard, and left tackle you feel good about.
Speaker 1: It's those two spots. It's left guard, yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: right tackle. So moving or who do you put in
Speaker 1: those pots? Because at this point in Dante Scarneckia used
Speaker 1: to talk about this all the time, seeing it through
Speaker 1: the same set of eyes. At this point, you just
Speaker 1: have to pick a combination right and go with it.
Speaker 1: It's a lot like last year where on when it
Speaker 1: was the odd man out and it was Ted Carriss,
Speaker 1: but it was working, so they stuck with it. Right Like,
Speaker 1: there's no going back at that position. So who are
Speaker 1: you starting at left guard? Coming off the buy and
Speaker 1: who are you starting at right tackle? Well, so this
Speaker 1: is where I have to go against a lot of
Speaker 1: what you said what I would do. I know you
Speaker 1: said right guard might be their best spot, but Michael
Speaker 1: and when who's the best right tackle on this team? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I've said this in the past, I'd rather cover
Speaker 1: up an issue with guard than an issue with tackle.
Speaker 1: I would move Michael and went out to right tackle,
Speaker 1: and then between Cole Strange, Isaiah Wynn and Chason Hines
Speaker 1: when he comes back, and maybe go out and find
Speaker 1: somebody else in free agency, or even Marcus Cannon when
Speaker 1: he comes back. Between those four, find two guards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I would do. And now I don't think
Speaker 1: that's what they'll do. No, And they obviously no more
Speaker 1: than I do when they're in the room, so there's
Speaker 1: probably a reason they're not doing that. But with the
Speaker 1: information I have, that's what I would do. I'm with
Speaker 1: you that that's the best thing to do for this
Speaker 1: team this year. Yeah, I think that they Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: talking about this yet, like this isn't into the office.
Speaker 1: I definitely think they want to develop Mike on Win,
Speaker 1: who at right guard, and he's been playing so well
Speaker 1: there that I think that they look at it maybe
Speaker 1: more from a big picture thinked around with him for
Speaker 1: two years. They want to leave him there. And you
Speaker 1: can't think around with Cole Strange like you can't. Cole
Speaker 1: Strange is a left guard in college. He's a left
Speaker 1: guard in the purpose. If he's moving any words center,
Speaker 1: it's a tough ass to move him to the right side.
Speaker 1: And I think the issue that you've had with Isaiah
Speaker 1: Winn is a lot to do with him transitioning to
Speaker 1: the right side as well. Now, can you mask things
Speaker 1: like you know, footwork and the things that I talked about.
Speaker 1: I think last week about Isaiah Winn where he's not,
Speaker 1: you know, getting out of his stance quick enough and
Speaker 1: he's not getting to his landmarks or his set points
Speaker 1: in his footwork is all messed up. I guess in
Speaker 1: theory you can mask those more at guard because you're
Speaker 1: not not setting out as far at guard, right like,
Speaker 1: you don't have to really kick out of your stances
Speaker 1: as much at guard as you would at tackle. So
Speaker 1: I if they're just looking to maximize the team this
Speaker 1: year and put everybody in a good position this year,
Speaker 1: then moving on WHENU out to tackle, because this is
Speaker 1: how bad it's got. Like I was really against this.
Speaker 1: I was, I said, well, I wanted him at right tackle,
Speaker 1: but I said, wherever you put him, just put them there,
Speaker 1: leave them, don't move them. I was again, I thought,
Speaker 1: I think he's a guard long term, and I think
Speaker 1: he's best at guard. But at this point, I don't
Speaker 1: know how you avoid this if you want the team
Speaker 1: to be the best it can be this year, right, Like,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're still on the five year plan
Speaker 1: and you're just thinking about the next three years or
Speaker 1: whatever the next five years, then maybe you leave on
Speaker 1: Winnu at guard and continue to develop him there. But
Speaker 1: if you're trying to maximize the team this year, then
Speaker 1: I have a hard time thinking about how you fix
Speaker 1: right tackle any better than putting on WHENU out there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what do you do at the guard spots? You know,
Speaker 1: I think Cole strange to me. It's similar to what's
Speaker 1: been going on with Mac, you know, like against the
Speaker 1: Bears right where you just kind of have to ride
Speaker 1: it right, You just kind of have to ride it
Speaker 1: out with him at left guard. You hope David Andrews
Speaker 1: coming back right. The problem you hope that David Andrews
Speaker 1: coming back fix a lot, and I personally think that
Speaker 1: it was a mistake pulling him from that game last week.
Speaker 1: The first couple drives of the game were rough against
Speaker 1: DeForrest Buckner. There's no question about it. Where he played
Speaker 1: two drives, right, I think. I think it's like two
Speaker 1: and a half or yeah, first play of the game.
Speaker 1: I think it was the first play of the game.
Speaker 1: They try to run outside zone to the left side.
Speaker 1: He tries to pass off DeForrest Buckner to James Ferns,
Speaker 1: and DeForrest Buckner just blew up the play right like
Speaker 1: tackled Vermondrate two yards behind the line of scrimmage. Then
Speaker 1: I mentioned the Kenner Bourne play where he gets beat
Speaker 1: by DeForrest Buckner again, yeah, and forces Aaron pass and
Speaker 1: they're punting the football. So basically on the first drive
Speaker 1: or the first two drives, I can't remember exactly how
Speaker 1: those plays are sequenced together. He ruined two plays right
Speaker 1: like in the first like five plays that you ran.
Speaker 1: So I understand from that standpoint kind of being like,
Speaker 1: all right, we gotta get him out of there, right right,
Speaker 1: But I think with him, you gotta ride the wave like,
Speaker 1: I just don't think you have any other choice. And
Speaker 1: there has been some good tape, certainly earlier on in
Speaker 1: the season with David Andrews at center. There's been some
Speaker 1: solid tape. So the question I think that boils down
Speaker 1: to is can Isaiah Win play right guard at a
Speaker 1: somewhat acceptable level? I mean, I'd like to think between him,
Speaker 1: Marcus Cannon Chase, I guess those two guys are on
Speaker 1: to them, who do you trust more? Do you trust
Speaker 1: Isaiah Win at right guard or do you trust Yadney
Speaker 1: could used at right tackle? I mean I thought Yadney
Speaker 1: looked looked fine right, I mean, compared to what we've seen,
Speaker 1: he held up well. I know we got beat a
Speaker 1: couple of times, but he got beat a lot early
Speaker 1: and I thought he settled down nicely after that. Quitty
Speaker 1: Pay gave him a ton of problems. But Quity Pay
Speaker 1: is a good player, like he's starting to come on
Speaker 1: and come into his own for Indy. He can really
Speaker 1: rush the passer, so he had him beat a lot
Speaker 1: early on in that game. The run blocking tape was
Speaker 1: solid for Yadney. He had a great block on Johnny
Speaker 1: Smith's screen, blocked the guy right off the screen on
Speaker 1: the broadcast coffee, so he had some good run blocking
Speaker 1: screen tape. The pass protection stuff was iffy, but maybe
Speaker 1: you ride that wave right like. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: that's what it comes down to, I think for them
Speaker 1: is do you trust Win more or do you just
Speaker 1: trust could just more? Like? And I don't know, I
Speaker 1: have a tough time answering that question myself. I think
Speaker 1: probably could just just from what we've seen, you know,
Speaker 1: just going. But I don't think you're necessarily going to
Speaker 1: get one group and stick with it. I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to continue to tweak things, which is unfortune,
Speaker 1: but I think that's just where they're at. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take some of these calls. I think that about
Speaker 1: sums up the offense. I thought we're kind of um
Speaker 1: getting lost in the weeds there a little bit, I
Speaker 1: think with some of the scheme stuff, which I appreciate
Speaker 1: you that's what this show is. Patty, what's going on? Patty?
Speaker 1: And Agum? How you doing going on? Guys? Damn it?
Speaker 1: You sold? You're sold. My question I was gonna ask
Speaker 1: you if you think Dante's saying what I asked to
Speaker 1: see you guys, yesterday, just sticking with five guys. But, um, Alex,
Speaker 1: I'll ask you a question. Um, I think I remember this.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but didn't didn't you have
Speaker 1: Brandon Schooler as like a special teams guy prior to
Speaker 1: last year's draft and a guy that the Patriots would
Speaker 1: want to take a look at. Probably I think I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that seems like a bar thing to do. To know
Speaker 1: they're a random special teamer from Texas that nobody's ever
Speaker 1: heard of. I'd have to pull up my spreadsheet. Honestly,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, all the names kind
Speaker 1: of run together. I think I had him on my
Speaker 1: radar like late. Yeah, and I mean that's all I got. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that they just stick with five guys going forward,
Speaker 1: and you know, if cold strange, like I said to
Speaker 1: the guys yesterday, if he's one of the guys that
Speaker 1: he's struggling and just let him work through it. You know,
Speaker 1: he's your first round pick, but just let the guys
Speaker 1: freaking deal and get it over with. Yes. Yeah, No, Patty,
Speaker 1: You're right in my opinion with that is uh. And
Speaker 1: I think if they called Scarneckia and we're like you know,
Speaker 1: give us your three things that we need to fix
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. I think continuity would be number one.
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. And some of it's injury, right,
Speaker 1: some of it you can't avoid. But yeah, there's too
Speaker 1: much shuffling going on with that group. All right, Andrew
Speaker 1: and Wisconsin. What's up? Andrew? Hey guys, how are you
Speaker 1: doing good? How are you? Thanks for hanging on doing well? Um? So,
Speaker 1: I have two questions here. Um. One of them I
Speaker 1: have to preface and I'll try to go quick here. Um.
Speaker 1: So as a casual fan and just just watching the games, U,
Speaker 1: I know it's I'm really not one of those bailey
Speaker 1: baffy guys at all. I love Mac. I've bought the
Speaker 1: four hundred dollars Nike jersey for him right away from
Speaker 1: the grass room. Um, but it looked a lot better
Speaker 1: when when he was out there. Um. I'm just wondering
Speaker 1: if it's build the play calling, if it's build the
Speaker 1: difference there. Um. And then also kind of more of
Speaker 1: a on the lighthearted side. Um, how likely do you
Speaker 1: guys think it is to uh for Matthew jude On
Speaker 1: to break shack records this year? He's actually you know
Speaker 1: it would take a little bit, it'd be pretty tough,
Speaker 1: but it seems like he could do it all right.
Speaker 1: So to the first point, the Bailey Zappy mac Jones thing,
Speaker 1: I I did think we were kind of beyond this
Speaker 1: when we saw Bailey Zappy against Chicago, like after they
Speaker 1: lost the lead and when he was playing from behind,
Speaker 1: and that that game was as bad as any tape
Speaker 1: that mac Jones has put out there. You know, it
Speaker 1: comes in, he plays great, they have a couple of
Speaker 1: play calls up there's for him, and then it really
Speaker 1: started to unravel on him, gonna unravel on the whole team.
Speaker 1: To be fair as well. I will say this though,
Speaker 1: I think we're at the point now and I was
Speaker 1: as anti Bailey's Appy as you could possibly be. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I do think we're at the point now where
Speaker 1: bailey'sz Appy was making quicker decisions with the football, maybe
Speaker 1: not necessarily better like aggressive decisions, right, I guess it's
Speaker 1: the way to put it. Like, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think he was making as many high, high level he
Speaker 1: was just getting the ball out of his hand. He's
Speaker 1: getting the ball out of his which is we talked
Speaker 1: about Max's decision making ability. Bailey's Appy's best trade in
Speaker 1: college was that ball was in and out, in and out,
Speaker 1: in and out, and it was great to see that.
Speaker 1: Now some of it was I don't think Bailey's Appy
Speaker 1: ever got sped up. Those were probably his two starts
Speaker 1: were the two best games in terms of pass pro
Speaker 1: for this team. And I know there's some people who
Speaker 1: have these conspiracy theories that they're willing to block for
Speaker 1: Bailey's Appy more than Mac Jones. Now, they did things
Speaker 1: in those games to help out. There's a in those
Speaker 1: games significantly significantly higher rate where they keep running backs
Speaker 1: indoor tight ends into block and only send three or
Speaker 1: four guys out into the pattern that's naturally going to help.
Speaker 1: They called more of these quick release plays that are
Speaker 1: designed for the quarterback to get the ball in out
Speaker 1: of his hands. They called more of those plays in
Speaker 1: those games. And they're calling for Max. So what I
Speaker 1: would what I would say to that in terms of
Speaker 1: Zappy didn't look sped up. Zappy was getting the ball
Speaker 1: out of his hands. Yes, they made it easier for
Speaker 1: him to do that. The answer is not necessarily going
Speaker 1: back to Bailey Zappy. It's called giving Mac Jones those opportunities. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is I will push back on one thing, not not
Speaker 1: like to you directly necessarily, but we have two years basically,
Speaker 1: not basically, we have two years of sample size now
Speaker 1: to work with. On Mac Jones, his under center passing
Speaker 1: numbers are some of the worst than the league. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you can do a lot of that stuff without
Speaker 1: going under center. I don't think you can do some
Speaker 1: of the hard play action stuff they were doing with Bailey. No,
Speaker 1: but you can do you can do six protection, you
Speaker 1: can do quick quick throw kind of plays quilts things
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, no, the quick throws. Certainly. I think
Speaker 1: that the play action success that they had with Bailey
Speaker 1: Zappy is really it's a it's a Bailey Zappy thing,
Speaker 1: right And I think the main reason when I say
Speaker 1: it to Bailey Zappy thing, I'm more mean it's a
Speaker 1: Lions and Browns thing, right Like. I think those two
Speaker 1: teams saw a rookie quarterback making his first starts in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and they were just eight in the box
Speaker 1: and were coming after the line of scrimmage, right Like.
Speaker 1: That was the game plan from their side of the things,
Speaker 1: and they were just getting the three on two in
Speaker 1: the back end. And Jacoby Myers or DeVante Parker was
Speaker 1: getting one on ones all over the place, and they're
Speaker 1: just winning the one on ones against inferior quarters when
Speaker 1: they play these better teams that have good cover guys
Speaker 1: in the back end and have better linebackers that can
Speaker 1: read things out quicker, like a team like Indianapolis, Like,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna have average seventeen yards per play action
Speaker 1: pass attempt against the Colts or against the Bills or
Speaker 1: against some of these better defense of the Jets. So
Speaker 1: I think a lot of ways that that was like
Speaker 1: an opponent driven thing. I think that they got Bailey
Speaker 1: zappy or had to go to Bailey z Appy in
Speaker 1: a really good time to go to Bailey Zappy. Though,
Speaker 1: those two teams and those two defenses really struggled against
Speaker 1: the Patriots. So I think there's some elements of the
Speaker 1: Bailey Zappy offense that I wish they did more. I
Speaker 1: think mainly though, and this is sort of one of
Speaker 1: the big picture of things I wanted to hit on
Speaker 1: about where do they go from here and off the
Speaker 1: bye week, I think they have to accept the fact
Speaker 1: that mac Jones is just not comfortable operating from under center.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. Like I've tried to
Speaker 1: study some of the tape, and I think there are
Speaker 1: some elements of like drops and like timing in his
Speaker 1: drops and things like that. Or maybe the play action
Speaker 1: fake like just isn't as as he doesn't sell it
Speaker 1: as well as he needs to or whatever. But like
Speaker 1: I said, two years now of data on mac Jones
Speaker 1: and all of it suggests that he struggles from under center.
Speaker 1: Right now, from under center a season, he's averaging five
Speaker 1: point nine yards per attempt. It's thirty third in the NFL.
Speaker 1: From the start of last season to this year, he's
Speaker 1: thirty fifth in passer rating from under center. So he
Speaker 1: just doesn't do it well for whatever reason. So that's
Speaker 1: why I'm always harping so much on RPOs, Because if
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be an under center play action team
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be a spread team and you're gonna
Speaker 1: play out of the gun all the time, you have
Speaker 1: to run RPOs. Like That's how you get the same
Speaker 1: idea of play action, right, that's the shotgun version of
Speaker 1: play action is RPOs. Now, the next step, certainly for
Speaker 1: their RPO package is downfield routes. Like we were talking
Speaker 1: about this before practice, like, can we get a slant
Speaker 1: on an RPO instead of all bubble screens, which is
Speaker 1: all they do right now is bubble screens off of RPOs.
Speaker 1: They gotta start developing some routes down the field, slants
Speaker 1: like curls or hitches, anything like anything down the field
Speaker 1: that well, generally a bigger play if they do throw
Speaker 1: the ball out of the RPO, because right now, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna get big plays off of bubble screens, Like
Speaker 1: that's just not gonna happen too frequently. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: bigger plays out of hitting. You know, Kendrick Bourne on
Speaker 1: a slant and he's off off to the races, right, Like,
Speaker 1: those are the big plays that you're going to get.
Speaker 1: What they were last year. That's what they were at Alabama, right,
Speaker 1: Like Davante Smith off the glance route was automatic, right, automatic,
Speaker 1: big play. When I say last year big plays, I
Speaker 1: mean like they not on RPOs, but like Kendrick Boorn
Speaker 1: catch and run right right, right, Yeah, that's totally what
Speaker 1: it is. So I think that you know, the Bailey's
Speaker 1: Appy stuff. To me, I do agree that Bailey's Appy
Speaker 1: was getting the ball out quicker and seeing the field
Speaker 1: faster than Mac Jones. But I do think that they
Speaker 1: need to start calling plays that fit Mac Jones and
Speaker 1: the under center stuff just doesn't. All right, uh Steve,
Speaker 1: and wait wait all right, let's take Steve the mate. Steve. Oh,
Speaker 1: I forgot about that, Steve, what's up? Um? So you know,
Speaker 1: I think the thing was the offense. I think the
Speaker 1: first thing other than the offensive line that really needs
Speaker 1: to be addressed is really the coaching. I if we
Speaker 1: think that the team has enough talent, and we think
Speaker 1: that the quarterback shows potential, then good coaching should elevate players,
Speaker 1: you know, to their potential. I mean, Bill Belizick has
Speaker 1: been doing that for years. Obviously you had you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the goat as a quarterback, which which helps.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I think that's something that needs
Speaker 1: to be addressed. I have no idea if they'll actually
Speaker 1: look in and think, oh, wait a minute, maybe having
Speaker 1: Patricia's the offensive coordinator's not working. I don't know. But
Speaker 1: when I look at Mac, I see him when he
Speaker 1: is in the pocket, you can tell, you know, he
Speaker 1: gets He has like happy feet where it looks like
Speaker 1: he's processing so much more information than he supposed to. Like,
Speaker 1: I think he's thinking, all right, my wide receivers running
Speaker 1: the actual right routes um because if they don't and
Speaker 1: he throws the ball because he has to anticipate and
Speaker 1: it gets intercepted, people are gonna say, look at you know,
Speaker 1: we need to go back to Zappi And then you know,
Speaker 1: uh is you know, is this office the line gonna
Speaker 1: protect me? Or am I going to get another you know,
Speaker 1: just destroyed uh constantly? And I just don't know, you
Speaker 1: know what is the other thing I was ass is
Speaker 1: you know Joe Burrow gets you know, constantly hit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have or does he have the same characteristics
Speaker 1: that Mac is showing now? Yeah, So look, I think
Speaker 1: to sum it up, I think we agree or with
Speaker 1: him on all points about the coaching. The first thing
Speaker 1: I'll just say about Joe Burrow, well, you know he
Speaker 1: has Jamar Chase. Well, and so this is what I
Speaker 1: was going to say, look at what he's looked like
Speaker 1: without Jamar Chase, Right, go back to that game against Cleveland.
Speaker 1: He looked and the defensive line couldn't block him. He's
Speaker 1: getting your team off on him. The Browns defense wasn't
Speaker 1: That's a good bass rush, but he looked like Mac
Speaker 1: Jones has looked. Yeah, so there was something. Stephen Ruis
Speaker 1: of The Ringer wrote a good piece about the Bengals
Speaker 1: figuring out their offense a little bit before Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: got hurt, and he said that he wrote this whole like,
Speaker 1: you know, soliloqually about how the Bengals have pulled out
Speaker 1: of their early season rut and their offenses clicking again.
Speaker 1: And then I remember he tweeted and he was just like,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, Jamar Chase is
Speaker 1: just really good and he started winning all of his
Speaker 1: one on one battles right right, Like that was like
Speaker 1: sort of the trump card that a team like the Bengals,
Speaker 1: or the team like the Dolphins, like, for all their
Speaker 1: scheming and all of Mike McDaniel's craziness, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, the Dolphins just have two receivers and
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle and Tyreek Hill that are damn good and
Speaker 1: when they need a play, that's where two goes with
Speaker 1: the ball, right. And the Patriots might have like one
Speaker 1: in Jacobe Meyers, who I think can get open and
Speaker 1: make plays like that, but it's certainly not as explosive
Speaker 1: as those two guys. In terms of Patricia and his future,
Speaker 1: let's call it that with the organization. I also tend
Speaker 1: to agree that Patricia is not going anywhere and they're
Speaker 1: gonna have him, just like a player would develop into
Speaker 1: this role, right, and hope that over time he gets
Speaker 1: better at it, just like players do with more repetition.
Speaker 1: I do hope two things. One, I hope that next
Speaker 1: year they hire a real offensive line coach to take
Speaker 1: that off his plate. Right. I hope that there's a
Speaker 1: Carmen Brisillo or you know, a Googs, right, I can't
Speaker 1: say his last name, but just somebody that's done offensive
Speaker 1: line before. You know, maybe you're a guy from Iowa
Speaker 1: that you tell me is terrible, right that Okay, Brian
Speaker 1: Ferrins I said I was offense is terrible. I never
Speaker 1: said Brian Ferns. Brian Ferrens. You kind of did, Brian Ferrens. Right.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Brian Ferris from Iowa who might get can
Speaker 1: buy his dad as the OC there, right because somebody
Speaker 1: just butchered that whole thing. But essentially, yes, that whole thing, right,
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's he's looking at NFL coaching jobs to
Speaker 1: avoid getting maybe his NFL coaching job is coming to
Speaker 1: coach the offensive line here. He coach he was, He
Speaker 1: was a quality control coach here for two years then
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven he was the tight ends coach, played
Speaker 1: offensive line. I would played offensive line in the NFL
Speaker 1: coach that I would before becoming the quarterbacks coach in OC.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he would be a guy that would fit
Speaker 1: that description. Yes. The other hope that I have is
Speaker 1: they have somebody that they hire, because I don't think
Speaker 1: they're gonna hire like Bill O'Brien next year, Like I
Speaker 1: don't think that that's gonna happen, and they're gonna bring
Speaker 1: in like a veteran OC to run the whole thing.
Speaker 1: But I would hope that maybe next year they would
Speaker 1: bring in like a consultant, right like a like a
Speaker 1: some sort of quality control coach or consultant that's coached
Speaker 1: offense his entire life and could come in and just
Speaker 1: be a professional offensive coach in the room to kind
Speaker 1: of help point these guys in the right direction, sort
Speaker 1: of like what you would do if if Patricia was
Speaker 1: like a young coordinator, right like sort of like what
Speaker 1: Dante Scarneckia and Ivan fears were for Josh McDaniels, right, Like,
Speaker 1: somebody like that that's been around the block and knows
Speaker 1: what he's doing, I think would go a long way.
Speaker 1: We missed the Matthew jude On thinking. And we've talked
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes now, Alex about the offense and the offensive struggles,
Speaker 1: and we haven't really touched at all on the defense.
Speaker 1: So Judean and the sack record, I could take that
Speaker 1: or leave it. I don't really care if he breaks
Speaker 1: the sack record, but I do think that it's worth
Speaker 1: talking about. What's an interesting, bigger conversation with him to
Speaker 1: me because of how last season ended, we thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna break it. Last season he was six sacks,
Speaker 1: six sacks short with six games to go at least
Speaker 1: the Patriots team sack record of eighteen and a half
Speaker 1: set by Entree Tippet in nineteen eighty four, and then
Speaker 1: he never got another sack after the bye. Here we
Speaker 1: are at the bye week again, and this is something
Speaker 1: that really applies to the team as a whole, but
Speaker 1: we can use jude On as an example. The bye
Speaker 1: week last year became a thing in that when they
Speaker 1: struggled down the stretch, the bye, the bye? What happened
Speaker 1: at the bye? What would they do? What didn't they
Speaker 1: do during the bye? Right? And here we are again
Speaker 1: now Matt to Judeon has talked this year about how
Speaker 1: he tried to get in better shape, better endurance. His
Speaker 1: usage rate has been down ten percent this year. It's
Speaker 1: seventy four percent, down from about eighty two eighty three
Speaker 1: percent this time last year. So they've it seems like
Speaker 1: at least with him, they've made an effort to write
Speaker 1: that the pace he's on right now, eleven and a
Speaker 1: half sacks and nine games, he should blow by Andre
Speaker 1: Tippett's number of eighteen and a half. And you know,
Speaker 1: does he flirt with the twenty two and a half
Speaker 1: from t J. Watt from a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: I tied with Michael Strahan, Right, Maybe maybe he does.
Speaker 1: He's on that pace right now, He's on pace to
Speaker 1: tie it. They need him to show up big down
Speaker 1: the stretch, which he didn't do last year. So that's
Speaker 1: where this gets very interesting. Yeah, and I think last
Speaker 1: year to the their secondary rushers like Barmore came on
Speaker 1: right and he was somebody that emerged, but they didn't
Speaker 1: I think this year they have really good rushed depth,
Speaker 1: like guys like ja Dietrich Wise Barmore will be Barmore
Speaker 1: when he comes back, right, So I think these guys
Speaker 1: get into this point has really put the pass rush
Speaker 1: in the position that I'm much much more bullish on
Speaker 1: it even than I was last year, because last year
Speaker 1: it felt a lot until Barmore started to come on
Speaker 1: in the middle part of the year, it felt a
Speaker 1: lot like Judean was their entire pass rush, right, and
Speaker 1: if you block jude On, you're gonna be okay. This
Speaker 1: year they have some counters to just jude On. Their
Speaker 1: five man or four man package on third down. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: is is spectacular, Like it's just so much fun to watch,
Speaker 1: how they scheme it up, how they run stunts or
Speaker 1: games up front, how they blitz guys and then drop guys,
Speaker 1: and like it's just there's so much great stuff going on.
Speaker 1: I mean, they had a play last week where they
Speaker 1: dropped jude On into coverage and the whole protection slides
Speaker 1: out to jude On and the Geltti Devi is just
Speaker 1: unblocked through the middle of the line of scrimmage, like
Speaker 1: they're just playing games with the offensive line and with
Speaker 1: the pass protection of these opposing offensive lines right now,
Speaker 1: that's been really fun to watch now in the back end,
Speaker 1: and it's a little bit like what they were doing
Speaker 1: last year, where there's some disguise, there's some rotation. There's
Speaker 1: definitely some zone, more zone maybe than we're accustomed to
Speaker 1: on early downs, third downs of man coverage down for them.
Speaker 1: I have reservations about whether or not the secondary is
Speaker 1: truly gonna hold up against the elite offenses, right like
Speaker 1: when Josh Allen comes here in Stefon Diggs and Gabe
Speaker 1: Davis and Isaiah McKenzie again, like how are they gonna
Speaker 1: match up in man coverage against those types of teams
Speaker 1: when they play the Bengals, Like and they have to
Speaker 1: face Jamar Chase, Like who's taken Jamar Chase? And do
Speaker 1: they have a guy that they can hold up in
Speaker 1: the back end with that because Burrow Alan, you know,
Speaker 1: if they do make the playoffs, whoever they play in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, Like I shouldn't say whoever, because some maybe
Speaker 1: they do play quarterback that they can spin the dial on.
Speaker 1: But guys like Allen and Burrow, they're not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to do what they did to Zach Wilson, right, Like,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be able to just muddy the waters
Speaker 1: back there, make it confusing and get and get three turnovers. Like,
Speaker 1: I just don't think that those guys are gonna are
Speaker 1: gonna fall for those tricks as much as the inexperienced
Speaker 1: guys do. So can they get bought? Can they actually
Speaker 1: win with personnel instead of it all just being Belichick
Speaker 1: smoke and mirrors, right, because last year they couldn't. Last
Speaker 1: year it was ended up all being Bill smoke and mirrors.
Speaker 1: So is this How do you feel about the back end?
Speaker 1: Because their safety groups has me excited like that. I
Speaker 1: think they can really do some cool things with but
Speaker 1: I'm still a little bit concerned with the fact that
Speaker 1: you're outside corners or Jalen Mills and Jonathan Jones and
Speaker 1: Johathan Jones has been great, don't get me wrong, well,
Speaker 1: and Jack Jones, and so maybe Jack Jones is the
Speaker 1: answer a Marcus in the slot or you know whatever
Speaker 1: upgrades of that unit. But how do you feel about
Speaker 1: the back end right now? Because the front, I think
Speaker 1: we can all agree, has been awesome. I think it's
Speaker 1: one of those things I know this is sort of
Speaker 1: a cop out, but I think it's one of those
Speaker 1: things where they've done as well as you can expect
Speaker 1: to this point. Yeah, we're not going to know how
Speaker 1: they you know, you talk about the Bills, right, We're
Speaker 1: not gonna know what they look like against that kind
Speaker 1: of test until they face it. Yeah, we're just not
Speaker 1: And I think the biggest issue against the Bills last year.
Speaker 1: I know people try to talk about the schemes and
Speaker 1: this and that, and your whole thing with the iPhone
Speaker 1: and the flip phone and whatever. I think at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, a lot of it was just speed.
Speaker 1: They just didn't have the speed on the field that
Speaker 1: the Bills did they needed to. Now you have Jonathan
Speaker 1: Jones playing on the outside. You didn't even have him
Speaker 1: last year at all, he was hurt, but you have
Speaker 1: him playing on the outside. You have Marcus Jones in
Speaker 1: the slot, you have Jack Jones, like, they have legitimate
Speaker 1: speed in the secondary. Now. So does that mean that
Speaker 1: they're gonna blank the Bills? Probably not. I guess we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens with Josh Allen's elbow, but they're better
Speaker 1: equipped personnel wise, personnel wise for that matchup. The schematic
Speaker 1: thing is another level of it, but it we won't
Speaker 1: know until we know it's there really is no comp
Speaker 1: for it. It's the Bills and the Bengals games really
Speaker 1: that stand out. Maybe Miami is the closest comp for
Speaker 1: how they would cover something like that, but but that
Speaker 1: was Week one. We've come so saying they play Miami again, No,
Speaker 1: I know, that's what I'm saying. And maybe the comp
Speaker 1: for how they defend these explosive, you know, multi game
Speaker 1: breaker receiver offenses is Miami. That was Week one. Jack
Speaker 1: to Jack Jones playing that game. If he did, he
Speaker 1: didn't play a lot. I gotten mossed by Tyree here, right,
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones didn't play a ton. Jonathan Jones was still
Speaker 1: very new to playing on the boundaries. So we're really
Speaker 1: not going to know until we know. With that kind
Speaker 1: of yeah, I think the hesitation that I have with
Speaker 1: the group maybe stems back from training camp and watching
Speaker 1: Davante Adams just dominate them for two days in Vegas,
Speaker 1: because that's one of those examples where like this is
Speaker 1: an outside receiver and you don't have a number one
Speaker 1: outside corner like Jonathan Jones is a number one outside
Speaker 1: corner in theory, but he's not a guy that matches
Speaker 1: up against Davanta Adams, right, Like he's a guy that
Speaker 1: can match up against Tyreek Hill. I think he can
Speaker 1: take Stefon Diggs, right. I think that Diggs is more
Speaker 1: of route runner than he is like a big body guide,
Speaker 1: big explosive receiver like Adams. The Raiders game I think
Speaker 1: is really interesting because it's like, is gonna be Jalen
Speaker 1: Mills that's gonna get Davante Adams? Are they going to
Speaker 1: trust Jack Jones at that point to be on Davante Adams? Now?
Speaker 1: When I was watching Bill's Jets this past week, getting
Speaker 1: ahead on next week for the Jets, and also just
Speaker 1: watching the Bills a little bit. The thing that I
Speaker 1: couldn't get out of my head when watching the Bills
Speaker 1: because whenever I would watch any whenever I have a
Speaker 1: chance to watch Buffalo, all my thoughts are about watching
Speaker 1: Josh Allen in that offense is like what do they
Speaker 1: do differently? Right? Like what how can they match up
Speaker 1: against this? And I almost headed jokingly to myself, but
Speaker 1: I'm kind of serious, like how many dbs can they
Speaker 1: get on the field? Right? Like how many dbs is
Speaker 1: too many dbs because the way that I look at
Speaker 1: Buffalo right now is even even still right at this point,
Speaker 1: their running game is Josh Allen, right, like he's their
Speaker 1: best running he's our best ball carrier, right, And that's
Speaker 1: basically the design quarterback runs that they might be able
Speaker 1: to hit the Patriots with are worrisome for sure, But
Speaker 1: like you said, it's all about getting speed on the field, right,
Speaker 1: So can they play? I think now what the differences
Speaker 1: of what I'm getting at You mentioned the speed at corner,
Speaker 1: which I agree with you. I think they're faster at corner,
Speaker 1: but I also think they're deeper at safety, right because
Speaker 1: last year they did not have Jabriel Peppers. So is
Speaker 1: there a world against Buffalo where they can get all
Speaker 1: four safeties on the field at once? Because if they
Speaker 1: can get all four of those guys, if they can
Speaker 1: get Dugger, Phillips, Peppers and Devon all on the field
Speaker 1: at once, then I think that they have a chance
Speaker 1: because I think they have speed, and I think they
Speaker 1: have open field tacklers at that point, right, like they
Speaker 1: have guys that can bring people down, and Dugger Phillips
Speaker 1: is not as physical as Dugger and Peppers is, but
Speaker 1: he makes great reads from off the ball, and he
Speaker 1: has some of the best run fits out of anybody
Speaker 1: on the team. It really does. And Peppers and Dugger
Speaker 1: bring a physicality that I think Oldie Bentley really does
Speaker 1: at the backer spot. So to me, they the difference,
Speaker 1: the like trump card that they might have this year
Speaker 1: against Buffalo than they didn't have last year is basically
Speaker 1: like playing like a dollar package. Like they could play
Speaker 1: seven defensive back and the Bills still can't run the
Speaker 1: ball outside of Josh Allen himself. Which if and I've
Speaker 1: said this about Josh Allen for years, but now for real, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I'm the Bills, you cannot have him run this much.
Speaker 1: You just can't. Patriots, he might have to run ten times.
Speaker 1: He might have to, and they might have to turn
Speaker 1: him into Justin Fields and Lamar Jackson ten times. It's
Speaker 1: not a lot for him. Ten times is a lot
Speaker 1: in terms of design what I'm saying, but all of it,
Speaker 1: all of it. You can't have him taking that many hits.
Speaker 1: You can't. And that's the way to beat him is
Speaker 1: to kind of just beat him up, right. That's what
Speaker 1: Matthew Judah and said when they asked him, like how
Speaker 1: do you how do you deal with mobile quarterbacks? Right?
Speaker 1: Hit him? It was the same same with Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: It was the same with Cam, It was the same
Speaker 1: with Vic. It's the same with any of these guys.
Speaker 1: Even Aaron Rodgers did an extent. Like the Bills still
Speaker 1: don't have a tradition of running game. So to your
Speaker 1: point about getting all four safeties on the field, if
Speaker 1: you only need two true defensive lineman, right, if you
Speaker 1: can go out there with just Dietrich Wise and Christian
Speaker 1: Barmore as your defensive lineman, it's a big help. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, if you think on first down, if you
Speaker 1: go out there with like Lawrence guy and Devon god
Speaker 1: Shaw and Barmore as a three man line, and maybe
Speaker 1: Judan as a fourth guy on the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: and you run like a four three, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think those four guys have a chance to hold up
Speaker 1: against any like, you know, as a devil singletary now
Speaker 1: or whatever. If the Bills are going to see that
Speaker 1: and decide to run the ball thirty thirty five times,
Speaker 1: you've won. That's what I'm saying, right, So make them
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, I think that that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's like those old matchups against Peyton, right, Like
Speaker 1: it's like if you're gonna hand the ball off to
Speaker 1: No Sean Moreno forty times in this game, like, we
Speaker 1: consider that a win. Even if he runs for two
Speaker 1: hundred yards, we still consider that a win. So I
Speaker 1: think that that's the difference that they didn't have last year. John,
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, Nathan Jones was hurt. They didn't have
Speaker 1: the fourth guy at safety, they didn't have Peppers at safety.
Speaker 1: So now last year when they played Buffalo, especially in
Speaker 1: that second matchup, you know, the playoff game. I know
Speaker 1: everybody goes back to the playoff game because of the score,
Speaker 1: but they're they're like playing practice squad guys at corner
Speaker 1: and the playoff game. Okay, So really the game that
Speaker 1: worries me more is the second one because that was
Speaker 1: like your best, right, right, that's your best. DeVante Bosby's
Speaker 1: not gonna be out there, Jan Williams is right to
Speaker 1: be out there right those that second game here in Foxborough.
Speaker 1: That was your best eleven against their best eleven straight up.
Speaker 1: So in that game and they were an interception away
Speaker 1: from winning that game. In that game, they could not
Speaker 1: get Miles Bryan off the field. They had nobody else
Speaker 1: to put on ISAMH. McKenzie. They had no other answer
Speaker 1: for Isaah McKenzie because Jonathan Jones was hurt and Miles
Speaker 1: Bryant was their nickel, Like that's all they had this year.
Speaker 1: I think they have more depth there because the rookies.
Speaker 1: They have more depth at safety because of Pepper. So
Speaker 1: if Miles Bryan's getting beat like a drum again on
Speaker 1: Isaam McKenzie, well, then maybe you move Jonathan Jones inside,
Speaker 1: Maybe you put Jack Jones in the game. Maybe put
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones in the game, right, Like, do you have
Speaker 1: counters down too? So that's the hope I would give it,
Speaker 1: give you there's some hope. Yeah, I'm not saying they're
Speaker 1: gonna beat Buffalo. I'm just saying there's they're better equipped
Speaker 1: to do so Yeah, absolutely, all right, Tyler, what's going on? Tyler? Hey,
Speaker 1: this is a little off topic, more about the future
Speaker 1: of the show, and y'all may not know, but come
Speaker 1: draft time, would y'all be doing those videos where you
Speaker 1: do like mock drafts a singing later again, I was
Speaker 1: just cured, we're definitely going to be doing a ton
Speaker 1: of draft content on the show in the off season,
Speaker 1: for sure, And thanks for the call, Tyler. We're gonna
Speaker 1: try to do something like that. We haven't really worked
Speaker 1: out the logistics of how it's gonna be done exactly,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we're gonna we're gonna try our best to
Speaker 1: do the mocks or do some sort of symbol. Day
Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl, I will be blowing up Evan's
Speaker 1: phone about what we're gonna do for the draft. All right,
Speaker 1: last call here, and then we got to wrap it up. Andrew,
Speaker 1: what's going on, Andrew? Andrew? Andrew, Hey ah, sound wow?
Speaker 1: The last one? All right? Well, that's all right, we
Speaker 1: got We're at the hour martin anyway, so we gotta
Speaker 1: call it a day. Give me before we wrap up
Speaker 1: really quickly, just don't go too deep into this. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: give me the one thing that you want them to
Speaker 1: fix during the bye weekend. You can't say mac Jones
Speaker 1: because that's like, dude, I know it's it's the offensive line.
Speaker 1: The offensive line will fix everything out. That's a really
Speaker 1: easy question, really, the offensive line, because it fixing the
Speaker 1: offensive line fixes at least to an extent, Mac Jones.
Speaker 1: It fixes the wide receivers, It fixes elements of the offense,
Speaker 1: the offensive line, there any other It's not an opinion question.
Speaker 1: That's the correct answer. That is the correct answer. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you another answer just because you already
Speaker 1: gave the correct answer. You like being wrong. Wow. If
Speaker 1: the Patriots do not come off this bye week and
Speaker 1: run a downfield RPO, I'm gonna lose my mind, Alex,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose my mind. I'm gonna start yelling. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna lose my mind. I'm gonna get all viled up
Speaker 1: like I did when John Rook got me riled up
Speaker 1: about Bailey z Appy and Marie and my god, you
Speaker 1: gotta have a block to throw it down the field.
Speaker 1: If they do not start expanding this RPO package beyond,
Speaker 1: if I see another inside zone RPO the bubble screen,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose my mind. And you are going to
Speaker 1: really like what I'm writing for ninety eight five sports
Speaker 1: up dot com this week. Nice tis no more, not
Speaker 1: no more bubble screens off RPOs. But we gotta we
Speaker 1: gotta graduate just other ar no I got. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: love bubble screen RPOs. I think they're fine. And when
Speaker 1: you run them in the right spots. They're very effective. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but part of what makes them so effective is when
Speaker 1: you set them up with other RPOs. Right, Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: fine if they keep running them, just start adding to them.
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. I think this often should be
Speaker 1: twenty percent RPOs. Right, Alabama Mac Jones is last the
Speaker 1: lead percentage is like twelve thirteen percent. Yeah. Mac Jones's
Speaker 1: last season in Alabama they were nineteen percent RPO. All right,
Speaker 1: they should be twenty percent no one else. I know
Speaker 1: you said be quick, but one more point, because I've
Speaker 1: and thinking about RPOs a lot. Be quick. In Alex's versions,
Speaker 1: like ten minutes later. One of the best individual attributes
Speaker 1: for any player on the offense is Rmandre Stevenson's field vision.
Speaker 1: Would you disagree with that or just reminder Stevenson No,
Speaker 1: But like when if we're going into individual traits, right,
Speaker 1: what makes Romandra so good? I think his field vision
Speaker 1: is a big part of it. He sees the field
Speaker 1: incredibly well. Yeah, that that plays huge on RPOs. That
Speaker 1: plays huge. Forget the mac part of it, right, which
Speaker 1: obviously matters, But I'm just saying put that aside for
Speaker 1: a second. Romandra is also a great RPO back. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so you could take advantage of this on both sides
Speaker 1: of him, yeah, he says. And Damion Harris too, Obviously
Speaker 1: he ran him a ton at Alabama. But he says
Speaker 1: it all the time Remandra that he prefers running like
Speaker 1: that because he can make cuts and reads on his own, right,
Speaker 1: He's not like following a blocker or something like that,
Speaker 1: and opens it up. That's how he ran at Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: those spread formations, and I I you know what Oklahoma's
Speaker 1: RPO percentages, it's high, right, pretty high? Yeah, yeah, or
Speaker 1: at least when it was Lincoln when yeah back and yeah,
Speaker 1: so when with Remandra, he's always talked about, I like
Speaker 1: running from spread formations because lightens the box and it
Speaker 1: gives me freedom to make cuts and make reads. That's
Speaker 1: the biggest thing to me, is like the under center stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, we're putting the quarterback under center. We're
Speaker 1: getting a single high against it. There's seven eight guys
Speaker 1: in the box, and like, if you don't have a
Speaker 1: dominant offensive line, you're just not running the ball against
Speaker 1: those looks. So the RPO allows you to open up
Speaker 1: the box, right, It puts six guys in the box
Speaker 1: against your five, and now there's conflict in the defense
Speaker 1: off off the you know, the pass action on the outside,
Speaker 1: and now you're reading guys and you're creating conflict, and
Speaker 1: you're creating lighter numbers in the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: They've been really good at running the football out of
Speaker 1: the gun. Five yards per attempt out of the gun,
Speaker 1: three and a half from under center. Like this is
Speaker 1: all these numbers are just staring right at him. I
Speaker 1: wrote this Patriots dot Com today, so you can check
Speaker 1: that out. What I would say, everybody gets all excited
Speaker 1: about RPOs, about the past elements of it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yo, you can expand the passing game with RPOs.
Speaker 1: It is a run pass option. Yeah, you can also
Speaker 1: make plays in the running game with them as well.
Speaker 1: I feel like that gets because the modern error and
Speaker 1: the nerds and they're running the football, the run element
Speaker 1: is running the football against light boxes off of like RPO.
Speaker 1: Like the nerds are okay with that? All right, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but all right, anyways, so h like we said,
Speaker 1: fix the offensive line, run more just sophisticated RPOs. That's
Speaker 1: the fix for the offense. Yes, step three profit. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we'll be back next Wednesday, same time, same place
Speaker 1: to talk about the New York Jets. This is a
Speaker 1: weird one to play the Jets this closely together. They
Speaker 1: only have one They're off this week as well. So
Speaker 1: they played Buffalo last week and then play you again
Speaker 1: after the buy, just like you played the Colts and
Speaker 1: then play the Bills, or then play the Jets. Excuse
Speaker 1: me right off the by so big big game here
Speaker 1: in Foxborough, Patriots Jets. We'll have you covered here on
Speaker 1: Patriots Catch twenty two full preview next Wednesday. We'll see
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