WEBVTT - All Mermaid Stories Are Trans 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:05.000 Did you win any money? No, of course not. I 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.800 can't play any games to save my life. Did you 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.200 lose any money? I mean yes, I lost twenty dollars 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:11.760 at the Sex in the City slot machine of Oh 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:13.560 my god, I lost twenty dollars of the Sex of 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:23.320 the City slot machine too. Welcome to the first like 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:27.800 a virgin of I'm ros damn you, I'm fan Toronto. 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:32.720 How were your holidays? I mean I kind of know already, 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:37.040 but I think you um your trials and tribulations should 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:40.280 be shared with the listeners. You know. I honestly, I 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:45.040 won't detail that the saga that was trying to make 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.760 Adele on Christmas Eve happen for Justin and I, but 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:54.720 I will say it required planes, trains, automobiles, cancelations, rebookings, 0:00:55.320 --> 0:01:01.080 entire flights just not happening for us, and ended up 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.520 with me and Justin getting in touch with a mutual 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:07.280 friend of ours who knows Adele in order to see 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.679 her on New Year's Eve, which we did, and it 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:15.720 was so HOWE tell tell me about the show? I wish, 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.319 I wish there were words that I could put to 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.440 what it feels like to do the New Year's countdown 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.880 with Adele, it makes perfect sense to me why she 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.759 is one of the most, if not the most universally 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.760 beloved celebrities in like the culture, point blank period, like 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.520 next to Tom Hanks and Dolly Parton, But like she 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:40.360 really is perfect. How did she sound? Obviously she sounds 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.000 better than the recording somehow, like she busts her gut. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.240 And beyond that, her voice is so emotional and she's 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.000 so expressive, and I'm like, how do you do the 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.960 show over and over again? But this like mega camp 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.080 that's on your face as you're performing is like the 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.920 most emotive thing I've ever seen, Like it's as if 0:01:57.960 --> 0:01:59.840 you're performing it for the first time. Like she's so 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.800 in her feelings when she performs. And she also is 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.200 obviously amazing at crowd banter and did tons of it 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.600 and has so much fun with it. And she cried, 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.840 so she does a lot of vampang and vamping. She 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.720 goes into the audience, she vamps. She did all of 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.800 her hits, like she cried while talking to the audience, 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.040 like she's just herself, and she does it all without 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.760 shoes on because she's got psiotica and she's like, I'm sorry, 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.920 I got I got real bad. That's like that's like, 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.120 that's like, you know, that's saying where it's like anything 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:32.639 a man can do, a woman can do and in 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:38.960 heals like not me, not me, No, I'm there foot Yeah, god, 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.320 it was it was. It was gorgeous. I mean, like 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.680 I feel like I mean a one glass of champagne 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:48.160 did cost fifty dollars, but that's not surprising. What were 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:52.160 some of the standout songs she performs? Okay, so I 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:56.120 am just context for the virgins, Um I am like 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.280 not an o g Adele stand. Justin is very much 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.160 so an o g l Adele stand. I hopped onto 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:05.680 the Adele train in her thirty era and have now 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.880 gone back and started to love her previous catalog and 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.919 her her songs from twenty one were the best songs 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:18.920 like she did Take It All One and Only and 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.880 someone like You Obviously and she did Rumor has It 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.160 and Rolling in the Deep and set Fire to the 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.400 Rain and don't You Remember, which are all bangers. Every 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:31.000 single song on the album is such a fucking banger. 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.200 Did she do Hometown Glory? I actually can't remember. I 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.320 like blacked out for like some one of my Adelais. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.040 Oh god, yeah, what other what other adel phaves do 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:44.520 you have? I love the River leah Um. It's one 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:48.120 of my favorite adult songs because Charlene once performed at 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:51.000 this party that I used to throw and as she 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:56.840 lip synced it, she pissed into our friends. Now, well, 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:02.080 I'm sure Adele would love that. She would live, I 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:05.040 honestly was. I went. We went to a nightclub after 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.440 we went to Piranha, and I half expected her to 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.560 be there because you know she's known for hitting up 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.880 the gay Yeah yeah, yeah, her and Jennifer Lawrence loved 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.440 the gaze. Oh my god. Um. Anyways, long story, Shart, 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.839 it was perfect. What did you do for New Year's? 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.920 I rented a house in the cat Skills with some 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.880 friends and we drove up there on Saturday, made a 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:33.600 really lovely dinner. Um. My friend's boyfriend cooked ham um, 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:38.520 which was delicious, and then we we watched Miley cyrus 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:43.279 her little you know New Year's Special, which was dumb. 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:47.039 Oh it was It looked good, no, I mean her 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:52.200 her performance with Dolly obviously was incredible, but her Paris 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.680 performance was bad. No, no, it wasn't her that was bad. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.760 It was just the whole thing, and all these musical 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.720 act who were not Miley Cyrus or Dolly Parton, who 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:06.160 was like, please get off the stage. And there were 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.000 some little sketches that were cute, but there were just 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.240 like a lot of commercials and we were watching it 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.919 on Peacock and it was like every commercial break was 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:19.599 the same three commercials over and over again. It was excruciating. Yeah, 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:21.320 But then we were just in the Catskills for for 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.120 two nights and did a lot of sitting by the fire. 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.240 I took a lot of baths. We had a hot tub. 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:34.719 It was really beautiful now and now it's January. Honestly, 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.640 it is early January. We pretty much had like the 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.560 opposite New Year's. Like I was in Vegas. Have you 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.960 ever been to Vegas. I've been to Vegas a few times. 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.800 I had never really done Vegas before, and like it 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:50.159 is a theme park like it is. I I joked 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.840 that it was like Berlin for heterosexuals, because it's kind 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.240 of this like sin city that feels like it would 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.280 be something culturally important to like heterosexual people where they 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.400 can be like godless heathens and like. But it's like 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:06.000 it was truly bizarre. Um, but I loved it. I 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:11.160 love casinos. I so I'm I don't care about gambling. 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.400 I think it's very dumb. I think it's very dumb. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:17.080 But every time I've gone to Vegas, I've you know, 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:21.240 said like okay, like I'll go waste in a slot 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.200 machine just for the experience of doing it, and once 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.200 the money runs out, I'm just like done, I disengage. 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:31.039 I don't care, like I'm not. I don't I don't 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.400 want to get lucky. I'm you know, even if I 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.680 won money, I would like I would stop once, you know, 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.800 once that twenty was up. Um casinos are fascinating and 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.640 terrifying to me, like the fact that like you get 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.720 free booze while you gamble, and like that they like 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:51.080 pump like like pure oxygen into the casino like routinely 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.920 to like keep you awake, and like the fact that 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.120 like there are no clocks in any casinos and they 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.240 keep the lights on at the same time the whole 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.240 day because they don't want you to like know what 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:05.200 time of day it is, which is so fun it's gross. 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.280 And so I do, like I do like to smoke 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.040 a cigarette and because I did the last time I 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.360 was in vegasigarettes. I smoked a cigarette while playing the 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.800 Sex in the City slot machine, and you know, I 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.320 loved that little fantasy. And then I went and saw Gaga. 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:25.240 The girl behind me was smoking smoking a a capri? 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.760 Is that are the thin ones? A capri? With the 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.320 Sex in the City slot machine. Um, I also have 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:36.960 to say, like sex casino security are so fucking scary. Like, 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.680 we we had so much Justin had so much fun 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.200 playing blackjack with this like one dealer and we were 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.320 building building a little bit of a rapport with her, 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:45.880 and we were like, oh, we have to go get cash. 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.240 We'll be right back. And when we came back, they 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:50.560 had reassigned her to a new table and she was 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:55.000 gone because the manager had saw that we were like 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.280 getting chummy with her, and so they were like, we 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.400 don't want them to keep winning money, Like she needs 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:04.440 to be moved. Isn't that scary? That's evil? It's evil 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.200 and weird. And also like also maybe she just didn't 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.280 like you. Maybe she was aer pubbic and she was like, 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:11.320 I got to get out of here while they're gone. 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.480 She's like, please reassign me. Oh that's so funny. Um. Yeah, 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.080 and she met the thebel singular and plural. Also, like 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.040 casinos are like I forgot that. Like casinos are like 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:25.680 intentionally designed to be confusing, like labyrinthine and like covered 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.360 like hall of mirrors, like getting out in and out 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.680 of every casino and they're all connected, which is crazy, 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.920 Like it was like solving a Swedish puzzle box. Like 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.600 I really could not. Um, but we should go together. 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.240 We would, I'm sure we would have. I'm not going 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.120 back to Vegas unless it's for a very good reason. 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:48.760 I'm like, and I'm being flew out for Katie Perry. Yeah, um, 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.320 well that's I'm so glad you had a good time 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:57.199 at Adele. So we both have seen two movies that 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:00.319 we have very different takes on, and you know, we're 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.440 going to try a little experiment today and I think 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:08.240 instead of duking it out over our you know, differing opinions, 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.040 we're going to each talk about the things that we 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:16.520 liked about these films while the other person um sits 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:21.480 and judges silently, and maybe maybe one of us will 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:26.400 convince the other one that that where they're wrong. Maybe, 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.720 but probably not, probably not. So the two films, the 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.400 two films in question are Glass Onion and Knives Out, 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:38.080 Mystery and Roll Dolls, Matilda the Musical arguably the only 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.880 two films that were really during the winter break like 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:42.960 this is like they felt like a kind of slow 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.800 rollout for it felt like streaming didn't really do that 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.520 much releases. I also think even theatrically, there weren't a 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:53.880 lot of big Christmas movies this year. So if you 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.440 haven't seen either of these, they're both available to stream 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:02.000 on Netflix. Obviously, big spoilers for the movies. I can 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:06.160 go first and talk about Matilda. Um So, I did 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:11.679 mention Matilda briefly in our best of episode, which if 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.920 you haven't listened to go check out now. So I 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:20.040 saw it a while ago and I loved it. You know, 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.440 obviously I have a big place in my heart for 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.920 the original Matilda. It was such an important movie to 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:27.640 me as a kid. It was such an important book. 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.520 And I've never engaged with the musical at all. I've 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.040 never seen it, didn't know any of the music. I 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.320 was very not even skeptical about it. I just was 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:41.360 like almost a little bit apathetic going into it, and 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.959 I was shocked by how much I enjoyed it. I 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:49.480 thought it was such a fun movie, and it was 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:53.040 such a beautiful movie to look at. I thought the 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.960 production design was really incredible. The choreography was incredible. It 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:02.160 looked expensive. It looked like a big blockbuster musical that 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:06.000 like was going to be released for Christmas. It was 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.400 the kind of thing that I like, I think kids 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:12.440 will love and like watch over and over again. I 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:16.360 thought the performances were incredible, especially Lashawna Lynch who plays 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:21.960 Miss Honey. She had me weeping anytime she had like 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.320 a song or like a tender moment with Matilda. At 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.160 the end of the movie, when Matilda runs into her 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:32.200 arms and they hug, I even I lost it even 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.160 thinking about it now, I'm like getting emotional. Um. I 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:39.240 thought Emma Thompson was great. Um. I mean those kids. 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:43.280 Those kids were dancing like their parents was standing behind 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.040 the camera with a knife to their Teddy Bears throat. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.240 Those kids were dancing like their birthday party was about 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:53.760 to get canceled. They brought it all on the floor. 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:58.200 And I like that it didn't try to, like one 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:02.200 for one be the original film. It really established itself 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:07.680 as its own separate thing, and I think it's a 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:12.160 story that like is um magical enough to have this 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.040 new life breathed into it and exists as its own 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:22.120 separate thing. Is it my time to speak? It's your time? 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.160 Did I convince you? Did I change your mind? Honestly, 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.160 you you kind of did. I. I kind of have 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.120 to agree with you on almost all of almost all 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.080 of your points here. I think the production value was stunning. 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:38.000 I thought Lashaunda Lynch and Emma Thompson were sublime. I 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:43.000 adored the allegiance to roll dolls Matilda and how this 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:47.040 story was darker and weirder and you know, had so 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:52.160 much more um kind of rolled dollion qualities to it um. 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.400 And I felt like that was like kind of one 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.320 of my favorite things about this adaptation. And I also 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:04.400 think the kids dance numbers or inarguably like awards worthy 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:08.520 and so much fun to watch. I definitely had more 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:12.200 fun watching this movie than my dear friend Justin, who 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:18.120 adores the original Matilda starring bi Con Marrow Wilson, and 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.680 I do love the Marra Wilson version, But like Justin, 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.520 I don't think ever read the original Matilda, and so 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:27.320 like doesn't know how the original movie is like really 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.440 really not in line with like how the book kind 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.800 of slurts through um Matilda's powers and all the different stuff. 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:41.000 That said, I think that when children sing in groups 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:47.520 that it is unlistenable and uncanny and cloying, lee sweet, 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:52.400 and like just really really not fun. And I think 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:57.800 that every single song in this musical just sounds like 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:02.120 a kind of child old marching band kind of like 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.000 every single song is kind of like I'm in offense 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.480 and this is what I'm going to do, here's what 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.880 I'm set. And it's like it has this like bright 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.440 like marching band beat to it, and like every song 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.560 sounded like that, and it was so annoying and like, 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:17.839 I feel like I could have watched a version of 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.760 this where there was no music in it, or where 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.880 the music was like yeah, that's just Matilda, or more 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:29.120 than the music is like just better. But I didn't 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:35.040 think that the music created emotional steaks or added much 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.680 to the performance. I thought Lashawna Lynch and I thought 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:42.520 um Emma Thompson's songs were awesome, and I thought their 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:44.840 performance of it was great, But the majority of the 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:49.800 musical is children singing and they all sound haunted. And 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:54.120 you are the trunch bowl. You are the trunch bowl 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:59.280 is trans period. Um all okay. Also Bruce bog Trotter 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:09.240 in that fat suit, Mama, no unforgivable that I've Let's also, 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:11.800 I think that you'll agree with me on this. Mr 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:16.000 and Mrs Wormwood compared to the o G Mama just 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.720 did not do it. They did not. I don't agree. 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.040 I don't agree with you. I loved them. I thought 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.440 they were amazing and their house was so beautiful. I 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.600 love their house. I love I did not think that 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.160 they're costuming was amazing, but I love the house. I 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.400 love the production design. The whole movie. Um, I just 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.440 felt like because Danny DeVito and the other woman like 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:39.600 just really fucking nail the other woman. Yes, I don't, 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.000 I don't know her. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but they're 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.560 gonna kill you. I know, I know. But they literally, 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:49.000 you chose books. I chose that. Literally, you're That's what 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.080 I'm saying. You chose books, I chose looks is like 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.520 that if they're saying those performances are singed in our 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.120 memories as childhood, and so when you come in and 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.200 you reboot a performance, it's like you have to ring 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.520 something new. And all I saw was a watered down 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.840 version of what the previous iteration had done, and I 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.760 wish they had just done something like what Emma Thompson 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.680 did or what LASHAWNA Lynch did, which were just like 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.560 make completely different characters. Okay, well I don't agree, but 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:20.680 I respect your point of view. Thank you, thank you. 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:25.400 Um Okay, now we're moving on. Yeah, let's talk about well, 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:29.520 you talk about Glass Onion. I must say I did 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:33.240 not like Knives Out, the original murder mystery that came out, 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.920 and this is the sequel to Knives Out. I felt 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:40.840 like Glass Onion was a substantially better in movie on 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.680 the casting level, on the writing level, on what it 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:47.800 pulled off in the last third, in the twist, and 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:55.840 in its primary performances. Janelle mone cells this movie so 0:16:55.960 --> 0:17:02.320 hard and is such an incredible Lynch pen to Leshana 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:07.680 Lynchpin to be the crucial beating heart and like I think, 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:11.600 main character of the franchise. It was so smart and 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:16.360 so interesting, and she made Daniel Craig's character so much 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.080 more fun to watch. The biggest issue that I had 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.040 with like the original Knives Out, I had a lot 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.000 to do with Like I felt like how the movie 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.320 thought Daniel Craig was the most interesting character, but he 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.240 was like literally so boring and was just this like 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.720 narrator Cipher. And I felt like the way Daniel Craig's 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:36.520 character was written for Glass Onion was so much more gay, funny, 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:41.240 fun like made mistakes, like was a fully fledged character 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.680 that was interesting and participating in the humanity around him. 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.040 And I thought that that just like hooked me in 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.200 so much further. And when I first started watching glass 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.479 Onion and I actually didn't like I felt like I 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:56.000 wasn't gonna like it because I think the hyper contemporary 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.960 like name drop of humor is like very I rolls 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.040 sometimes but by you know, no spoilers, But by the 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:07.520 twist at the midpoint, I was in Mama, and I 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.760 felt like it did something that was a lot better 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.040 than what Knives Out did, which was instead of being 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.119 who done it, right, they tell you who did it 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.119 in the first third of the movie, and so the 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.479 rest of the movie is a why done it? And 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.000 how done it? And I think that that made Glass 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:28.359 Onion I felt a really substantive and windy action movie 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:34.360 that um grounded itself in great casting, great performances, a 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:41.120 super duper silly but satisfying maximalist ending that had I 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.320 felt brilliant. Thematic commentary that I thought was I thought 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.960 that the commentary about like you know, commentary about billionaires 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:49.520 can be very I roll. And when you we have 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.400 this like Jeff Bezozi kind of like CEO character that's 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.800 been written to death, I was like, I don't know 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.800 if I'm gonna love this. But the way it kind 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:02.080 of talked about this eruption theory and the way it 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.680 talked about the truth and like modes of justice were 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:10.040 like exactly what a modern who done it should be. Um, 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:14.720 And so yeah, I loved glass Onions. Surprisingly, that's great. 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.159 I'm so happy for you, Love. I thank you for 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:26.639 supporting me. Rose. I thought Kate Hudson was fabulous and 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:32.200 that's it. Okay, Well what did you not like about? 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.119 As my mother said, as my mother told me, if 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.560 you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:39.240 at all. Well, this is a podcast, and I think 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.400 the virgins will actually be like dying to hear why 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.200 you didn't like it. I just thought it was dumb. 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.400 I liked the first movie so much better. I thought 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.000 it was dumb. It's a completely different movie. It's a 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.479 completely different movie. I do think it comes down to taste. 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.439 I think the mystery of the first film is so 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.400 much tighter. I thought it was so much more interesting. 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.560 I like to the family dynamics of it. I thought 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.120 this movie was dumb. I thought Janelle Manet was horrible. 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.720 I thought the twists were stupid. I liked Kate Hudson, 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:10.439 and I liked Hugh Grant as Daniel Craig's husband. And 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:15.399 that's it. Hugh Grant is Daniel Craig's husband. I forgot 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:20.280 that cameo is so fast. Oh my god. All the 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.000 cameos were so gaggy. I mean two of them are 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:27.400 literally dead, which was a kind of whack. Yeah. Well, 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:31.520 this is apparently a thing that like Ryan Johnson, all 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:35.000 these actors like that his films are the last films 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.360 they appear in. Who else. It happened with Carrie Fisher, 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:44.280 with UM Star Wars, and it happened with um Christopher 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.560 Plummer and the First Nimes Out, And now it's happened 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:51.960 with Angela Landsberry and Stephen Sondheim. I guess so I 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:56.320 have to say, like, I really hate like movies about billionaires, 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:58.679 and I did not actually love like kind of the 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.560 Google play setting of glass Onion, And I feel like 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:06.240 that's maybe some of what you were responding to at 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:09.080 the end of the day, like it's glass Onion doesn't 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.639 really okay, so maybe not glass Onion doesn't really have 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.600 the components of a movie I usually enjoy, which is 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.200 kind of why I was really surprised by it. But 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.879 if you will indulge me on like what I liked 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:23.800 about what the movie taught, it's like it actually I 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:28.879 felt had a really like incisive critique about what tech 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:33.240 billionaires think disruption theory is and what someone like Janelle 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:36.840 Monet things disruption theory is right, And I felt like 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:41.080 that was so smart because when billionaires and you know, 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.679 rich people and all these different like girl bosses become 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:51.359 really rich by essentially adopting ideas and organizing methods and 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.280 like you know, being like woke or whatever and using 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.400 that to like climb to the top, they think that 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.840 that's disruption when all they're doing is assimilating into capital 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.960 is um and protecting like guarding themselves further and further 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:06.760 from real people. But when Janelle Money comes into this 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:11.479 like Pole debacle, her idea of what disruption is, and 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:14.840 how she kind of tears it all down is what 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:18.760 true organizing disruption is. It's about destruction, like volatility, it's 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:22.320 about demanding what is owed to you. And I felt 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.520 like when there's a kind of critical mass at the 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:29.880 end that um, I guess provides a path to justice 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.560 that does not involve the police or the carcetral system 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:36.680 at all. I was like, that is like very radical, 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:39.720 And I honestly, I'm not the kind of girl to 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:42.280 give Netflix credit, to give Rihan Johnson credit, to give 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:44.879 big blockbusters like this credit, but like I was just like, damn, 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:47.880 Like I really loved what the movie did with its 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.399 like prospects of justice, even though it was really silly 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:55.040 and maximalist at times. I think that is I'm not 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.360 saying this is like a patronizing way. I think that's 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:00.440 a very generous, right it is. It is. It's a 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:03.240 very and and like I think it's really cool that 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:07.080 you can look at that and and pick that out 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:10.440 and like, yes, that is those are very good things 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:12.959 for a mainstream movie to be saying. I don't know 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:15.359 that I agree that that movie is saying those things, 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.280 but I do think it's it's lovely that you can 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:20.960 see that in that film. I think it's about as 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:23.240 generous of a reading as when I said that Taylor 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:28.920 Swift's karma, you know, mirrored Buddhist ideologies with karma, which 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:30.760 I that that's the thing, is like, that's what I 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:32.720 that's what I like to do, and I don't. I don't. 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:34.639 I'm not here to give credit to the artist, but 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:36.919 I'm here to give credit to how it was interpreted. 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:42.919 And um, yeah, listen, stories are powerful. Stories. Stories are 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.280 just like just like fairy tales, which is what we're 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:51.600 talking about today later in the episode, I hope you 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:56.000 stick around for that stories are so powerful. Although friend 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:58.439