1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Did you win any money? No, of course not. I 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: can't play any games to save my life. Did you 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: lose any money? I mean yes, I lost twenty dollars 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: at the Sex in the City slot machine of Oh 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: my god, I lost twenty dollars of the Sex of 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: the City slot machine too. Welcome to the first like 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: a virgin of I'm ros damn you, I'm fan Toronto. 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: How were your holidays? I mean I kind of know already, 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: but I think you um your trials and tribulations should 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: be shared with the listeners. You know. I honestly, I 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: won't detail that the saga that was trying to make 12 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: Adele on Christmas Eve happen for Justin and I, but 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: I will say it required planes, trains, automobiles, cancelations, rebookings, 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: entire flights just not happening for us, and ended up 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: with me and Justin getting in touch with a mutual 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: friend of ours who knows Adele in order to see 17 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: her on New Year's Eve, which we did, and it 18 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: was so HOWE tell tell me about the show? I wish, 19 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: I wish there were words that I could put to 20 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: what it feels like to do the New Year's countdown 21 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: with Adele, it makes perfect sense to me why she 22 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: is one of the most, if not the most universally 23 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: beloved celebrities in like the culture, point blank period, like 24 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: next to Tom Hanks and Dolly Parton, But like she 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: really is perfect. How did she sound? Obviously she sounds 26 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: better than the recording somehow, like she busts her gut. 27 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: And beyond that, her voice is so emotional and she's 28 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: so expressive, and I'm like, how do you do the 29 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: show over and over again? But this like mega camp 30 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: that's on your face as you're performing is like the 31 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: most emotive thing I've ever seen, Like it's as if 32 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: you're performing it for the first time. Like she's so 33 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: in her feelings when she performs. And she also is 34 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: obviously amazing at crowd banter and did tons of it 35 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: and has so much fun with it. And she cried, 36 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: so she does a lot of vampang and vamping. She 37 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: goes into the audience, she vamps. She did all of 38 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: her hits, like she cried while talking to the audience, 39 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: like she's just herself, and she does it all without 40 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: shoes on because she's got psiotica and she's like, I'm sorry, 41 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: I got I got real bad. That's like that's like, 42 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: that's like, you know, that's saying where it's like anything 43 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: a man can do, a woman can do and in 44 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: heals like not me, not me, No, I'm there foot Yeah, god, 45 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: it was it was. It was gorgeous. I mean, like 46 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: I feel like I mean a one glass of champagne 47 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: did cost fifty dollars, but that's not surprising. What were 48 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: some of the standout songs she performs? Okay, so I 49 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: am just context for the virgins, Um I am like 50 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: not an o g Adele stand. Justin is very much 51 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: so an o g l Adele stand. I hopped onto 52 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: the Adele train in her thirty era and have now 53 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: gone back and started to love her previous catalog and 54 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: her her songs from twenty one were the best songs 55 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: like she did Take It All One and Only and 56 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: someone like You Obviously and she did Rumor has It 57 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: and Rolling in the Deep and set Fire to the 58 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: Rain and don't You Remember, which are all bangers. Every 59 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: single song on the album is such a fucking banger. 60 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: Did she do Hometown Glory? I actually can't remember. I 61 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: like blacked out for like some one of my Adelais. 62 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, what other what other adel phaves do 63 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: you have? I love the River leah Um. It's one 64 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: of my favorite adult songs because Charlene once performed at 65 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: this party that I used to throw and as she 66 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: lip synced it, she pissed into our friends. Now, well, 67 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure Adele would love that. She would live, I 68 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: honestly was. I went. We went to a nightclub after 69 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: we went to Piranha, and I half expected her to 70 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: be there because you know she's known for hitting up 71 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: the gay Yeah yeah, yeah, her and Jennifer Lawrence loved 72 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: the gaze. Oh my god. Um. Anyways, long story, Shart, 73 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: it was perfect. What did you do for New Year's? 74 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: I rented a house in the cat Skills with some 75 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: friends and we drove up there on Saturday, made a 76 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: really lovely dinner. Um. My friend's boyfriend cooked ham um, 77 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: which was delicious, and then we we watched Miley cyrus 78 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: her little you know New Year's Special, which was dumb. 79 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: Oh it was It looked good, no, I mean her 80 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: her performance with Dolly obviously was incredible, but her Paris 81 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: performance was bad. No, no, it wasn't her that was bad. 82 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: It was just the whole thing, and all these musical 83 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: act who were not Miley Cyrus or Dolly Parton, who 84 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: was like, please get off the stage. And there were 85 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: some little sketches that were cute, but there were just 86 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: like a lot of commercials and we were watching it 87 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: on Peacock and it was like every commercial break was 88 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: the same three commercials over and over again. It was excruciating. Yeah, 89 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: But then we were just in the Catskills for for 90 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: two nights and did a lot of sitting by the fire. 91 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: I took a lot of baths. We had a hot tub. 92 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: It was really beautiful now and now it's January. Honestly, 93 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: it is early January. We pretty much had like the 94 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: opposite New Year's. Like I was in Vegas. Have you 95 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: ever been to Vegas. I've been to Vegas a few times. 96 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: I had never really done Vegas before, and like it 97 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: is a theme park like it is. I I joked 98 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: that it was like Berlin for heterosexuals, because it's kind 99 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: of this like sin city that feels like it would 100 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: be something culturally important to like heterosexual people where they 101 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: can be like godless heathens and like. But it's like 102 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: it was truly bizarre. Um, but I loved it. I 103 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: love casinos. I so I'm I don't care about gambling. 104 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: I think it's very dumb. I think it's very dumb. 105 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: But every time I've gone to Vegas, I've you know, 106 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: said like okay, like I'll go waste in a slot 107 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: machine just for the experience of doing it, and once 108 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: the money runs out, I'm just like done, I disengage. 109 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: I don't care, like I'm not. I don't I don't 110 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: want to get lucky. I'm you know, even if I 111 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: won money, I would like I would stop once, you know, 112 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: once that twenty was up. Um casinos are fascinating and 113 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: terrifying to me, like the fact that like you get 114 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: free booze while you gamble, and like that they like 115 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: pump like like pure oxygen into the casino like routinely 116 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: to like keep you awake, and like the fact that 117 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: like there are no clocks in any casinos and they 118 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: keep the lights on at the same time the whole 119 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: day because they don't want you to like know what 120 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: time of day it is, which is so fun it's gross. 121 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: And so I do, like I do like to smoke 122 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: a cigarette and because I did the last time I 123 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: was in vegasigarettes. I smoked a cigarette while playing the 124 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: Sex in the City slot machine, and you know, I 125 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: loved that little fantasy. And then I went and saw Gaga. 126 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: The girl behind me was smoking smoking a a capri? 127 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: Is that are the thin ones? A capri? With the 128 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: Sex in the City slot machine. Um, I also have 129 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: to say, like sex casino security are so fucking scary. Like, 130 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: we we had so much Justin had so much fun 131 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: playing blackjack with this like one dealer and we were 132 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: building building a little bit of a rapport with her, 133 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: and we were like, oh, we have to go get cash. 134 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. And when we came back, they 135 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: had reassigned her to a new table and she was 136 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: gone because the manager had saw that we were like 137 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: getting chummy with her, and so they were like, we 138 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: don't want them to keep winning money, Like she needs 139 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: to be moved. Isn't that scary? That's evil? It's evil 140 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: and weird. And also like also maybe she just didn't 141 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: like you. Maybe she was aer pubbic and she was like, 142 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: I got to get out of here while they're gone. 143 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: She's like, please reassign me. Oh that's so funny. Um. Yeah, 144 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: and she met the thebel singular and plural. Also, like 145 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: casinos are like I forgot that. Like casinos are like 146 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: intentionally designed to be confusing, like labyrinthine and like covered 147 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: like hall of mirrors, like getting out in and out 148 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: of every casino and they're all connected, which is crazy, 149 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: Like it was like solving a Swedish puzzle box. Like 150 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: I really could not. Um, but we should go together. 151 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: We would, I'm sure we would have. I'm not going 152 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: back to Vegas unless it's for a very good reason. 153 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, and I'm being flew out for Katie Perry. Yeah, um, 154 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: well that's I'm so glad you had a good time 155 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: at Adele. So we both have seen two movies that 156 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: we have very different takes on, and you know, we're 157 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: going to try a little experiment today and I think 158 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: instead of duking it out over our you know, differing opinions, 159 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: we're going to each talk about the things that we 160 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: liked about these films while the other person um sits 161 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: and judges silently, and maybe maybe one of us will 162 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: convince the other one that that where they're wrong. Maybe, 163 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: but probably not, probably not. So the two films, the 164 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: two films in question are Glass Onion and Knives Out, 165 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: Mystery and Roll Dolls, Matilda the Musical arguably the only 166 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: two films that were really during the winter break like 167 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: this is like they felt like a kind of slow 168 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: rollout for it felt like streaming didn't really do that 169 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: much releases. I also think even theatrically, there weren't a 170 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: lot of big Christmas movies this year. So if you 171 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: haven't seen either of these, they're both available to stream 172 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: on Netflix. Obviously, big spoilers for the movies. I can 173 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: go first and talk about Matilda. Um So, I did 174 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: mention Matilda briefly in our best of episode, which if 175 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: you haven't listened to go check out now. So I 176 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: saw it a while ago and I loved it. You know, 177 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: obviously I have a big place in my heart for 178 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: the original Matilda. It was such an important movie to 179 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: me as a kid. It was such an important book. 180 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: And I've never engaged with the musical at all. I've 181 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: never seen it, didn't know any of the music. I 182 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: was very not even skeptical about it. I just was 183 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: like almost a little bit apathetic going into it, and 184 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: I was shocked by how much I enjoyed it. I 185 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: thought it was such a fun movie, and it was 186 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: such a beautiful movie to look at. I thought the 187 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: production design was really incredible. The choreography was incredible. It 188 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: looked expensive. It looked like a big blockbuster musical that 189 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: like was going to be released for Christmas. It was 190 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that I like, I think kids 191 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: will love and like watch over and over again. I 192 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: thought the performances were incredible, especially Lashawna Lynch who plays 193 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: Miss Honey. She had me weeping anytime she had like 194 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: a song or like a tender moment with Matilda. At 195 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: the end of the movie, when Matilda runs into her 196 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: arms and they hug, I even I lost it even 197 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: thinking about it now, I'm like getting emotional. Um. I 198 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: thought Emma Thompson was great. Um. I mean those kids. 199 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: Those kids were dancing like their parents was standing behind 200 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: the camera with a knife to their Teddy Bears throat. 201 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: Those kids were dancing like their birthday party was about 202 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: to get canceled. They brought it all on the floor. 203 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: And I like that it didn't try to, like one 204 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: for one be the original film. It really established itself 205 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: as its own separate thing, and I think it's a 206 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: story that like is um magical enough to have this 207 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: new life breathed into it and exists as its own 208 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: separate thing. Is it my time to speak? It's your time? 209 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: Did I convince you? Did I change your mind? Honestly, 210 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: you you kind of did. I. I kind of have 211 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: to agree with you on almost all of almost all 212 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: of your points here. I think the production value was stunning. 213 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: I thought Lashaunda Lynch and Emma Thompson were sublime. I 214 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: adored the allegiance to roll dolls Matilda and how this 215 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: story was darker and weirder and you know, had so 216 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: much more um kind of rolled dollion qualities to it um. 217 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: And I felt like that was like kind of one 218 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: of my favorite things about this adaptation. And I also 219 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: think the kids dance numbers or inarguably like awards worthy 220 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: and so much fun to watch. I definitely had more 221 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: fun watching this movie than my dear friend Justin, who 222 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: adores the original Matilda starring bi Con Marrow Wilson, and 223 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: I do love the Marra Wilson version, But like Justin, 224 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't think ever read the original Matilda, and so 225 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: like doesn't know how the original movie is like really 226 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: really not in line with like how the book kind 227 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: of slurts through um Matilda's powers and all the different stuff. 228 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: That said, I think that when children sing in groups 229 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: that it is unlistenable and uncanny and cloying, lee sweet, 230 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: and like just really really not fun. And I think 231 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: that every single song in this musical just sounds like 232 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: a kind of child old marching band kind of like 233 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: every single song is kind of like I'm in offense 234 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: and this is what I'm going to do, here's what 235 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm set. And it's like it has this like bright 236 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: like marching band beat to it, and like every song 237 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: sounded like that, and it was so annoying and like, 238 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: I feel like I could have watched a version of 239 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: this where there was no music in it, or where 240 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: the music was like yeah, that's just Matilda, or more 241 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: than the music is like just better. But I didn't 242 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: think that the music created emotional steaks or added much 243 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: to the performance. I thought Lashawna Lynch and I thought 244 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: um Emma Thompson's songs were awesome, and I thought their 245 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: performance of it was great, But the majority of the 246 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: musical is children singing and they all sound haunted. And 247 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: you are the trunch bowl. You are the trunch bowl 248 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: is trans period. Um all okay. Also Bruce bog Trotter 249 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: in that fat suit, Mama, no unforgivable that I've Let's also, 250 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: I think that you'll agree with me on this. Mr 251 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: and Mrs Wormwood compared to the o G Mama just 252 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: did not do it. They did not. I don't agree. 253 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: I don't agree with you. I loved them. I thought 254 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: they were amazing and their house was so beautiful. I 255 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: love their house. I love I did not think that 256 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: they're costuming was amazing, but I love the house. I 257 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: love the production design. The whole movie. Um, I just 258 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: felt like because Danny DeVito and the other woman like 259 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: just really fucking nail the other woman. Yes, I don't, 260 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: I don't know her. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but they're 261 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: gonna kill you. I know, I know. But they literally, 262 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: you chose books. I chose that. Literally, you're That's what 263 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying. You chose books, I chose looks is like 264 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: that if they're saying those performances are singed in our 265 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: memories as childhood, and so when you come in and 266 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: you reboot a performance, it's like you have to ring 267 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: something new. And all I saw was a watered down 268 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: version of what the previous iteration had done, and I 269 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: wish they had just done something like what Emma Thompson 270 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: did or what LASHAWNA Lynch did, which were just like 271 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: make completely different characters. Okay, well I don't agree, but 272 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: I respect your point of view. Thank you, thank you. 273 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: Um Okay, now we're moving on. Yeah, let's talk about well, 274 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: you talk about Glass Onion. I must say I did 275 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: not like Knives Out, the original murder mystery that came out, 276 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: and this is the sequel to Knives Out. I felt 277 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: like Glass Onion was a substantially better in movie on 278 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: the casting level, on the writing level, on what it 279 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: pulled off in the last third, in the twist, and 280 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: in its primary performances. Janelle mone cells this movie so 281 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: hard and is such an incredible Lynch pen to Leshana 282 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: Lynchpin to be the crucial beating heart and like I think, 283 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: main character of the franchise. It was so smart and 284 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: so interesting, and she made Daniel Craig's character so much 285 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: more fun to watch. The biggest issue that I had 286 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: with like the original Knives Out, I had a lot 287 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: to do with Like I felt like how the movie 288 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: thought Daniel Craig was the most interesting character, but he 289 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: was like literally so boring and was just this like 290 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: narrator Cipher. And I felt like the way Daniel Craig's 291 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: character was written for Glass Onion was so much more gay, funny, 292 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: fun like made mistakes, like was a fully fledged character 293 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: that was interesting and participating in the humanity around him. 294 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: And I thought that that just like hooked me in 295 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: so much further. And when I first started watching glass 296 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 1: Onion and I actually didn't like I felt like I 297 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna like it because I think the hyper contemporary 298 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: like name drop of humor is like very I rolls 299 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: sometimes but by you know, no spoilers, But by the 300 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: twist at the midpoint, I was in Mama, and I 301 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: felt like it did something that was a lot better 302 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: than what Knives Out did, which was instead of being 303 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: who done it, right, they tell you who did it 304 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: in the first third of the movie, and so the 305 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 1: rest of the movie is a why done it? And 306 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: how done it? And I think that that made Glass 307 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: Onion I felt a really substantive and windy action movie 308 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: that um grounded itself in great casting, great performances, a 309 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: super duper silly but satisfying maximalist ending that had I 310 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: felt brilliant. Thematic commentary that I thought was I thought 311 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: that the commentary about like you know, commentary about billionaires 312 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: can be very I roll. And when you we have 313 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: this like Jeff Bezozi kind of like CEO character that's 314 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: been written to death, I was like, I don't know 315 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: if I'm gonna love this. But the way it kind 316 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: of talked about this eruption theory and the way it 317 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: talked about the truth and like modes of justice were 318 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: like exactly what a modern who done it should be. Um, 319 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I loved glass Onions. Surprisingly, that's great. 320 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you, Love. I thank you for 321 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: supporting me. Rose. I thought Kate Hudson was fabulous and 322 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: that's it. Okay, Well what did you not like about? 323 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: As my mother said, as my mother told me, if 324 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything 325 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: at all. Well, this is a podcast, and I think 326 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: the virgins will actually be like dying to hear why 327 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: you didn't like it. I just thought it was dumb. 328 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: I liked the first movie so much better. I thought 329 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: it was dumb. It's a completely different movie. It's a 330 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 1: completely different movie. I do think it comes down to taste. 331 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: I think the mystery of the first film is so 332 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: much tighter. I thought it was so much more interesting. 333 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: I like to the family dynamics of it. I thought 334 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: this movie was dumb. I thought Janelle Manet was horrible. 335 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: I thought the twists were stupid. I liked Kate Hudson, 336 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: and I liked Hugh Grant as Daniel Craig's husband. And 337 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: that's it. Hugh Grant is Daniel Craig's husband. I forgot 338 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: that cameo is so fast. Oh my god. All the 339 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: cameos were so gaggy. I mean two of them are 340 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: literally dead, which was a kind of whack. Yeah. Well, 341 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: this is apparently a thing that like Ryan Johnson, all 342 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: these actors like that his films are the last films 343 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: they appear in. Who else. It happened with Carrie Fisher, 344 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: with UM Star Wars, and it happened with um Christopher 345 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: Plummer and the First Nimes Out, And now it's happened 346 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: with Angela Landsberry and Stephen Sondheim. I guess so I 347 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: have to say, like, I really hate like movies about billionaires, 348 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: and I did not actually love like kind of the 349 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: Google play setting of glass Onion, And I feel like 350 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: that's maybe some of what you were responding to at 351 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: the end of the day, like it's glass Onion doesn't 352 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: really okay, so maybe not glass Onion doesn't really have 353 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: the components of a movie I usually enjoy, which is 354 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: kind of why I was really surprised by it. But 355 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: if you will indulge me on like what I liked 356 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: about what the movie taught, it's like it actually I 357 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: felt had a really like incisive critique about what tech 358 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: billionaires think disruption theory is and what someone like Janelle 359 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: Monet things disruption theory is right, And I felt like 360 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: that was so smart because when billionaires and you know, 361 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: rich people and all these different like girl bosses become 362 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: really rich by essentially adopting ideas and organizing methods and 363 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: like you know, being like woke or whatever and using 364 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: that to like climb to the top, they think that 365 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: that's disruption when all they're doing is assimilating into capital 366 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: is um and protecting like guarding themselves further and further 367 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: from real people. But when Janelle Money comes into this 368 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: like Pole debacle, her idea of what disruption is, and 369 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: how she kind of tears it all down is what 370 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: true organizing disruption is. It's about destruction, like volatility, it's 371 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: about demanding what is owed to you. And I felt 372 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: like when there's a kind of critical mass at the 373 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: end that um, I guess provides a path to justice 374 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: that does not involve the police or the carcetral system 375 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: at all. I was like, that is like very radical, 376 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: And I honestly, I'm not the kind of girl to 377 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: give Netflix credit, to give Rihan Johnson credit, to give 378 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: big blockbusters like this credit, but like I was just like, damn, 379 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: Like I really loved what the movie did with its 380 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: like prospects of justice, even though it was really silly 381 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: and maximalist at times. I think that is I'm not 382 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: saying this is like a patronizing way. I think that's 383 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: a very generous, right it is. It is. It's a 384 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: very and and like I think it's really cool that 385 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: you can look at that and and pick that out 386 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: and like, yes, that is those are very good things 387 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,959 Speaker 1: for a mainstream movie to be saying. I don't know 388 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: that I agree that that movie is saying those things, 389 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: but I do think it's it's lovely that you can 390 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: see that in that film. I think it's about as 391 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: generous of a reading as when I said that Taylor 392 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: Swift's karma, you know, mirrored Buddhist ideologies with karma, which 393 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: I that that's the thing, is like, that's what I 394 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: that's what I like to do, and I don't. I don't. 395 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: I'm not here to give credit to the artist, but 396 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: I'm here to give credit to how it was interpreted. 397 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: And um, yeah, listen, stories are powerful. Stories. Stories are 398 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: just like just like fairy tales, which is what we're 399 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: talking about today later in the episode, I hope you 400 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: stick around for that stories are so powerful. Although friend 401 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: and I have decided, I think we've said this, we 402 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: are so over so we're so over media about the 403 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: power of stories. I never want to see that ship again. 404 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: Which that is kind of the lesson of Matilda when 405 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: she's telling this fucking story about circus performers in like 406 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: the most boring b B plot ever. Sorry, um, but 407 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: we should sell a hat that says stories are so powerful. 408 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: We should. We should let us know if you if 409 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: you would buy a hat that said stories are so 410 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: poul and tell us what color, what color you think 411 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: it should beat. Yeah. Also just tell us like signed 412 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: to our dems, and tell us what merch you you 413 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: want from us, because we definitely will be selling some 414 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: merch this year. Once upon a time there were two 415 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:05,239 Speaker 1: little dull and they lived on two different sides of 416 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: the same kingdom queendom, because this says this takes place 417 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: in a matriarchy. Of course, one of them had dark 418 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: hair and one of them had red hair. Sometimes sometimes 419 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: depending kind of on what time of year it was, 420 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: the one with dark hair was loved to go to 421 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: the ball, and the one with red hair did not anymore, 422 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: and however to stay at home. And um, the more 423 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: hermit like she became, the more the evil in her 424 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: heart festered. And instead of you know, kind of being 425 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: like happy, happy, go lucky, um little girl, she became 426 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: a witch. Um she said, if my stress out here, 427 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: bring it to every ball? What if there were no ball? Exactly? 428 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: So she decided to place a curse on the kingdom. 429 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: So and it was called COVID nineteen. Okay, Okay, this 430 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: is this is fun out. This is as far as 431 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: a little far um. Wait, wait, you're saying that you, 432 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: as a witch created COVID nineteen so that we wouldn't 433 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: have to go to parties. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, 434 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: it's um, it's fairy tales are things that help us, 435 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: like like myths make us, help us make sense of 436 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: the world around us. So this is which is why 437 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 1: we're talking about it today, all about myth making in 438 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: the kind of um fairy tale world. I guess. Yeah, 439 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: we you know, have touched before on mythology, Greek mythology 440 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: specifically UM as one of as for both of us, 441 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that really, um, we're 442 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: very integral to our you know, childhood and formation of 443 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: like what we liked culturally and and not to mention, 444 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: it was one of the most liked episodes from the 445 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: listeners according to our listeners survey. And you're not going 446 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: to keep bringing up that damn survey. No, no, no, 447 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: that's all I was gonna say. But you know, and 448 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: and I guess if we're thinking about, you know, the 449 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: more western canon, not that fairy tales are exclusive to 450 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: the West, obviously they're not, UM, but we what we 451 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: think about is, you know, the canon of fairy tales 452 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: are very much sort of the the like I wouldn't 453 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: say modern because they're like hundreds of years old, but 454 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: they're like the more modern equivalent of myths. They are 455 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: these you know, like stories for children that like often 456 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: teach lessons um or you know, a lot of fairy 457 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: tales like appear in many different cultures, so they're sort 458 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: of like the collective unconscious aid conscious through um, a 459 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: sort of fantastical story. And you know, in the world 460 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: we live in, fairy tales are because because um, the 461 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: world is all about I p UM and fairy tales 462 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: are public domain. UM. We live in a world where 463 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,719 Speaker 1: fairy tales are recycled, rebooted, um retold, reinterpreted time and 464 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: time again. And they are like some of the most 465 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: universal stories we have truly, and a lot of them 466 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: honestly have not been like fully tapped. I feel like 467 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: like we know the ones that Disney did, but the 468 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: way Disney doesn't is like pretty much completely like refreshed adaptation, 469 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: like so much as a race from the original. And 470 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: then there's also this like whole other terrain of fairy 471 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: tales that have never been touched because they're too dark 472 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: or weird or like or like American audiences wouldn't understand them, right, Um, 473 00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: what's your favorite fairytale Rose, hmm, that is or maybe 474 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: one of if you like the first one that comes 475 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: to well, I actually know, so I know what it is, 476 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: and it's you know, I think that the term fairy 477 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: tale is is kind of a loose term, but probably 478 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: blue Beard. What happens in that one refreshed me. So 479 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: blue Beard is about this woman who marries this guy 480 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: and she like goes to his castle and he tells 481 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: her there's this like specific room that she's not allowed into, 482 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: and he's like there's this thing where he's like really 483 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: like nice to her, but then also he sometimes really 484 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: mean to her. And then she eventually goes into the 485 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: room and finds like the corpses of all his dead wives, 486 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,479 Speaker 1: and um, this as we're talking about retelling. My my 487 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: favorite retelling of of blue Beard's wife is in the 488 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: Angela Carter novella The Letty Chamber. It's one of my 489 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: favorite books. I love Angela Carter. I'm an Angela Carter stand. 490 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: That's one of my favorites and one of I think 491 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: it's it's it is a tale that turns up in 492 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: a lot. It hasn't had like a like literal adaptation, 493 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: but it's a kind of story that finds its way 494 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: into a lot of media. It's like referenced in a 495 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: lot of media. I I remember Season one of You 496 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: kind of referenced blue Beard a little bit, and it's 497 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: it definitely is a motif that is visited a lot 498 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: in in stories. Um, what's your favorite fairy tale? I 499 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: feel like I vaguely heard of blue Beard, like it's 500 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: been like it's been mentioned or something and something that 501 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: I watched. I was trying to google real quick. But 502 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: apparently there's a rumor that that Disney will returned to 503 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: hand drawn animation with an adaptation of that would be 504 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: they would have to really sanitize it. I will say. Also, 505 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: did always really like the Snow Queen fairy tale, which 506 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: most famously is known as Frozen. Um, oh wait, there 507 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: the wait. Frozen is an adaptation of a fairy tale. 508 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: Frozen is an adaptation of the Snow Queen, and originally, 509 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: Elsa in Frozen was supposed to be much more explicitly 510 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: the antagonist because the Snow Queen is the villain of 511 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: the Snow Queen, and then you know, they decided to 512 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: make it about sisterhood blah blah blah. Um. It's it's 513 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: still a gag to me that they called it frozen. Like, 514 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, they have this like these, they have a 515 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: whole generation of stories where it's like Aladdin, the Little 516 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: mermaid snow White, like just like plain and simple, like 517 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: what the thing is. And then and then they moved 518 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: on and they were like Tangled, Frozen, Brave. Like it's 519 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: like these just these are just adjectives. Um. Anyways, I 520 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: don't even remember. I've seen Frozen once and I don't 521 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: remember any of the plot. All I remember is the 522 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: end of Frozen is so good. Also, Frozen two is 523 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: really good. I've heard, I've heard, I've heard, I've heard it. 524 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: I've heard its laps um. It's funny. See, I don't 525 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: think I don't have the depth of knowledge on like 526 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: non adapted fairy tales that I think you have have. 527 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: I actually really want to read that blue Beard adaptation. 528 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: What's the author's name again? Angela Carter Virgins out there, 529 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: if you've never read any Angela Carter truly, please read 530 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: The Bloody Chamber. Read Nights at the Circus. She is 531 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: the dividul herself. Love. Yeah, I mean my my boring 532 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: answer is Little Mermaid. I will always, always, always love 533 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: that story. I will love the original version of that 534 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: story that is like darker and like, do you wanna 535 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: do you wanna? Do you want to hear some tea 536 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: spilled on the secret gay life of Christian Anderson? Yes? Please? 537 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I kind of know it, but 538 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: wanting so. We all know that the original you know, 539 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: version of the Little Mermaid is much darker than the 540 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: Disney version we all have seen. Um In the original story, 541 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: the Little Mermaid when she trades her voice to the sea, 542 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: which for legs, every step she takes it feels like 543 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: like knives are like being stabbed into her feet. Um. 544 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: She at the end of the story is told by 545 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: her sisters that if she kills the Prince, well the 546 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: prince marries another woman, like he's fully not in love 547 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: with the Little Mermaid, And she's told that if she's 548 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: on the Little Mermaid is like, I'm going to be 549 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: a lesbian now She's like, I'm pivoting. Wait, Actually, the 550 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: reason that her feet feels like knives is because no, 551 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: a fresh paradox. They have not been broken in yet. Okay, 552 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: they have not been broken in and she is dying. Um. 553 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: So she's told by her sisters that if she kills 554 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: the prince and his wife that she will be able 555 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: to become a mermaid again, but she refuses to do it. 556 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: So she jumps into the ocean and kills herself and 557 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 1: gets turned into sea foam and she like has to 558 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,919 Speaker 1: spend like a hundred years in purgatory before she can 559 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: before she can go to heaven because mermaids don't have souls. 560 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: So anyway, Hans Christian Anderson was a huge fag and 561 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: The Little Mermaid was actually a story that he wrote 562 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 1: and sent to this guy who had spurned his gay advances, 563 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: his lover, his forbidden lover, and the Little Mermaid was 564 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: his avatar. Yeah, and he was just like being very 565 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: cunty and he sent the guy this story and was like, 566 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: fuck you, I want to suck your dick and you 567 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: won't let me. So here's this story about a mermaid 568 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: who's walking on knives and kills herself. Wow, honestly, the 569 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: way that gays you know, you like like when we 570 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: watched something like Dynasty or Golden Golden Girls, like the 571 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: or like um Sex in the City, right, like the 572 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: way that gay men use like white women as like 573 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: avatars for like their own love stories. It's just something 574 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: that has spanned for centuries, except you know, um Hans 575 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: Christian understand was like we're going to do it like 576 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: on the interspecies level, like I'm a mermaid now, and 577 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: that does that make it kind of transmits? Well, I 578 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: mean all mermaid stories are trans um but yeah, I 579 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: mean I would say actually all Mermaids stories are queer, 580 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: and like The Little Mermaids specifically is about you know, um, 581 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: transforming yourself for a forbidden love and having that love rejected. 582 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean it's you know all, I mean, all fairy 583 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: tales are queer and that they can all have some 584 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: sort of like queerness plucked from them. I have to say, 585 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: like I my entry point into like fairy tale is 586 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: like loose, like I can't quite pin what it was, 587 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: but I can say that like kind of adjacent to 588 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: this genre, which was maybe my truest first entry point 589 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: was the Fables of Aesop. Did you ever read the 590 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 1: Fables of Aesop Fables A slaps fables? Yeahs ASoP skincarees Fables. 591 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: It's like these rabbits and like you know Woodland, creatures 592 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: that like put on body bombs. What what are asops? Fables? 593 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: Can you name some of the like big hitters for me? Okay, 594 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: there's the Tortoise and the hair, but yeah, of course 595 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: we know her, we know her. There's the Fox and 596 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: the Grapes. They're town in Country the Fox and the Grapes. Yeah, 597 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: when the Fox is like I want to it's like, okay, 598 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 1: the box in the Grapes, the story of the Fox. 599 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: It's not like the Fox on the Hound, which is no. No, 600 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: it's the first, the first movie to ever make me cry. 601 00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: The first is not the last. The first, the first 602 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: Disney movie to ever be like death is real and 603 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: you will experience it in your life. Actually that was 604 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: probably Bambi, unless that came first. I didn't remember come 605 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: first Bambies. Like one of the oldest Disney movies the 606 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: o g Um, you know, Town of Country mouse Um. 607 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: There are things like I don't know that basically, like 608 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: I don't even know if they were like religious. I 609 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: think they were like developed an ancient they I think 610 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: they were in ancient Greece. They were written in ancient Greece, 611 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: but like they still had this like weird Christian appeal 612 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,959 Speaker 1: that like my dad loved and so he would read 613 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 1: Esop's Fables. Long story short is, these fables are pretty boring, 614 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: like they're very morally like, they're driven by morals. The 615 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: fables are boring. But the soap slaps. The soap slaps, 616 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: the soap slaps. But this is like, honestly, what I'm 617 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: trying to say is like the water down very sanitized, 618 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: very like morality conscious version of fairy tales that I 619 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 1: grew up with and that were encouraged strongly well, because 620 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: we have all these different iterations of kind of the 621 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: same thing. You know. We have fairy tales which are 622 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: like these specifically fantastical like bedtime stories that are like fabulous. Um. 623 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: We have fables, which like are like truly like stories 624 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: that are meant to teach lessons specifically. And then we 625 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: have folk tales, which are things like Paul Bunyan and 626 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, um like like sort of like shared cultural 627 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: and like I think specifically like national like have sort 628 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: of like a geographic specificity of like things that like 629 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: maybe we're true but have like sort of um transcended 630 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: into legend and they all serve different purposes, god, I 631 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: would love to like adapt one. Would you adapt blue Beard? 632 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: Blue Beard if you could? Or is there something else 633 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: like in the kind of like fairy tale realm where 634 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: you're like that like really should be a movie. Um, 635 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: you love the Swan Queen, I do. I do love 636 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: the Swan Princess, But that's a fairy tale. Yes, um, 637 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: this one princess is a fairy tale. It has you know, 638 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: has been adopted many times into Swan Lake, um, and 639 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: then Swan Lake into Black Swan. Um. There was the 640 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: like incredible nineties UM animated film The Swan Princess. Oh 641 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: my god, I was so gagged every time she transformed 642 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: into a swan and then back into a princess like. 643 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: I like the like the way that the water like 644 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: swirled up around her was so great and then her 645 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: fair of faucet like blowout moment and also the opening 646 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: song about how she and the prince hated each other 647 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: and then eventually fell in love. So good. Um. And 648 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,280 Speaker 1: it had several UM direct to VHS sequels that were 649 00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: not quite as good. I don't even remember the first 650 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: swe Maybe we're due for a rewatch here, um of 651 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: the what is it called the Princess Swan, the Swan Princess, 652 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: the Swan Princess. The fairy tales always have the most 653 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: obvious titles possible. It's like the Thing, thing, the thing, 654 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: and the thing and the thing, unless it's frozen. But 655 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: but that's not that's not a fairy tale. That's a 656 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: disney that's a disneyfied movie. But it's based on a 657 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 1: fairy tale. But the fairy tale itself is the Snow 658 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: Queen or Rapunzel, Rapunzel. I never really cared too much about. 659 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: What I did love was rumble Stiltskin because rumble Stiltskin 660 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: is fucking weird, weird, gross, weird, gross, powerful, weird, like 661 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,399 Speaker 1: on so many levels because it's like this bitch her 662 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,879 Speaker 1: father is like bragging about how she can turn straw 663 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: into gold, and so he gives her up to the 664 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 1: king because he's been out just out here lying um. 665 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: And then she gets trapped in the castle and has 666 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: to spin straw into gold. And then this weird little 667 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,240 Speaker 1: man shows up and she promises him her firstborn child 668 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: if he'll help her spin the straw into gold. And 669 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: also like she basically is like kidnapped, enslaved, and then 670 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: they're like, wait, you're so good at turning straw into gold. 671 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: We're going to marry you off to the prince and 672 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: you'll be the queen and then you will rule over 673 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,359 Speaker 1: the kingdom that kidnapped and enslaved you. Um, it's just 674 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: very strange and then like and also like every adaptation 675 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: of like Rapunzel, like Rumple steel Skin, like he gets 676 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: like very horny around riddle guessing, Like it's kind of 677 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 1: like his kink is like the riddles or not the riddles, 678 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: like the thing about guessing his name, you know, where 679 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: she has to guess his name right, Well, yeah, that's 680 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: that's something I think that's like a sort of recurring 681 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: motif and a lot of fairy king is that names 682 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:08,760 Speaker 1: are powerful and also that often villains um Ghoule's, ghosts, 683 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: demons and stuff are always like kind of bound by 684 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: these rules, and rules are very absolute and fairy tales, 685 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,839 Speaker 1: you know, there's like they wouldn't function without them. It's 686 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: like sure rumpel Stiltskin when she guessed his name could 687 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: have been like fuck you and then killed her. But 688 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: also it's kind of like his own hubris because it's 689 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: not like she says his name and he like, you know, 690 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 1: melts like the Wicked Witch of the West. It's like 691 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: she says his name and he gets so mad. He's 692 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: so pressed, he's so plucked by it that he stomps 693 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: into the floor and disappears. Did you ever watch the 694 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,839 Speaker 1: ABC television show Once Upon a Time? No, but I've 695 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: heard amazing things. Can you kind of overview it for 696 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: the Virgins? Yeah? I didn't watch much of it. I 697 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: watched maybe the first two seasons. It's um uh. It's 698 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: about like literally every fairy tale coexisting um coexists in 699 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: like this same like magical realm, and because of a 700 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: curse by the evil Queen, they're all transported to this 701 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 1: like small northeastern town with no memories of their you know, 702 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: sort of magical selves, and um um Goblin's like Goblin 703 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: Egouli characters that are really heavily gross faces. Well, there's 704 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: rumble Stiltskin, who's like one of the main antagonists, and 705 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,799 Speaker 1: he he in the original like fairytale world, has a 706 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: sort of creepy face, and then in the normal world 707 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 1: he's up pawn broker. He owns a pawn shop, and 708 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 1: he's he's also as it turns out, the Beast and 709 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beast, and he's in love with Belle, 710 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,880 Speaker 1: who's played by the girl from Lost with the Baby. 711 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: I'm looking. He's playing the girl from Lost with the Baby. 712 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 1: I'm looking, and I don't recognize any of the cast, 713 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,800 Speaker 1: but this is but I feel like the memory of 714 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 1: seen commercials on like ABC or something, Well, Jennifer Goodwin 715 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: is snow white and um her, I don't know. It's 716 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: it's not worth going, Like going into Once upon a 717 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 1: Time is not worth it because I know that there's 718 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,760 Speaker 1: a huge fan base around the show, but I didn't 719 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: watch past two seasons, and they did like as the 720 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 1: show went on. I just know from like cultural osmosis 721 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: that they eventually brought in like literally every fairy tale 722 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,919 Speaker 1: like Elsa from Frozen was in it, the Wicked Witch 723 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,959 Speaker 1: of the West was in it. It was like they 724 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,319 Speaker 1: a really just kind of they took sort of the 725 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: Kingdom Hearts approach to inclusion. UM diversity d n I 726 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: d n I for Disney is actually just combining fairy tales. Um. 727 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: You know what else does this um that did actually 728 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: permeate the culture that we must discuss it must be 729 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: discussed was Shrek, right, listen, Shrek sh Shrek is Shrek 730 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,919 Speaker 1: probably is like one of the first examples we have 731 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 1: of like meta commentary on the disnification of culture. I 732 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: mean that's what the whole first movie is really about, 733 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,399 Speaker 1: like the like Kingdom of do Lock is it? That's 734 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 1: what's it's called. Is literally supposed to Like there's that 735 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 1: sort of like small It's a small world esque moment um. Yeah, 736 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 1: it's it's really like the deconstruction of of a fairy tale. 737 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: That's what Shrek is. Yeah, because this proceeded enchanted, right, 738 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: and this is I thought it was after but I'm 739 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 1: googling and it's actually one year before Lee Loan Stitch. 740 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 1: And do you remember the kind of like advertising campaign 741 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: for Leland Stitch and how it like made fun of 742 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: other Disney I do vaguely that we're like Stitch would 743 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: come in and ruin like the banquet Hall of the 744 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,880 Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beast or whatever like, but that like 745 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,919 Speaker 1: Shrek was like doing that before. Like I mean, this 746 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: is was that this was not Disney and Streamworks, but 747 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,240 Speaker 1: it really was like breaking apart like just like things 748 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,360 Speaker 1: that we love um, and it was genius, Like it 749 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: was so ahead of its time when it came out. 750 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,720 Speaker 1: I feel like Shrek is like kind of a weird 751 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,319 Speaker 1: part of like meme culture now, Like it's this thing 752 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: that we like all kind of joke about because like 753 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 1: he's so disgusting, and like talking about Shrek is kind 754 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: of like it has this weird like early ods nostalgia 755 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 1: attached to it that is like universally like recognize. Yeah, 756 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: there's a whole like Shrek core fashion movement. For I 757 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,680 Speaker 1: feel like maybe once or twice a month in Brooklyn 758 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: someone does like a Shrek drag show or like a 759 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,760 Speaker 1: Shrek club night or yeah, there was a Shrek always 760 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,040 Speaker 1: in the culture. Yes, there was a Shrek rave like 761 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: pretty recently, I think very recently there's like a meme 762 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: of Shrek wearing these kind of like balenc Yaga asked, 763 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 1: since I know the one you also seen so much 764 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 1: shreks Dick so many times? Rose, Why why have you 765 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,799 Speaker 1: seen shreks Because I exist on the internet. You're like, 766 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 1: how have you not seen shreks um? But Fiona, I 767 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,880 Speaker 1: mean Cameron Diaz some of her best work. Listen, I 768 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,239 Speaker 1: wouldn't say some of her best work, but because just 769 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,319 Speaker 1: because I think there's work that's better. But you know, 770 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy if she was there, And yes, that 771 00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: is like it's the perfect subversion of a retailed the 772 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 1: damsel in distress. Like the curse that's placed on her 773 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,800 Speaker 1: is like turns her into an ogre, but that's actually 774 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: like what leads to her happily ever after in this 775 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 1: very you know, like smart ugly is beautiful way and 776 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,439 Speaker 1: the sequel, um, Shrek Too is incredible and I think 777 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,279 Speaker 1: I think better than Trek one. Well do you just 778 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 1: say that because of the fairy queen the ad fat 779 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:33,719 Speaker 1: what's the girl's name again? Jennifer Saunders, Thank you Jennifer Saunders. God, 780 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,720 Speaker 1: you need to learn these things. Friend, I didn't watch 781 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,400 Speaker 1: that's the ad bad woman right, yes, holding up her 782 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: holding up her hero still not available to listen to 783 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,439 Speaker 1: on any streaming platform, which is a crime against humanity. 784 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: That's crazy. She's so amazing in that movie. God, um, 785 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's a Shrek was the culture my parents 786 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,440 Speaker 1: took me to that like it we were allowed, Yeah, 787 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,840 Speaker 1: we were allowed. And I you know that some of 788 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 1: those jokes are very some of the like there's sex 789 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,080 Speaker 1: jokes in that in the first one, kind of and 790 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: my parents just like pretended like they didn't exist. Well, 791 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 1: that's so many, so many kids movies. I think, especially 792 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: around that period in the early two thousand's are when 793 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 1: when there was this boom in mainstream kids entertainment. I 794 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: think when they realized that they had to start sneaking 795 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,480 Speaker 1: in jokes that the adults could appreciate into kids movies. 796 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: But also really around the time, like we were seeing 797 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,799 Speaker 1: so much um fairy tale remakes and I think we 798 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,720 Speaker 1: we will be forever just because, like as I said earlier, 799 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,359 Speaker 1: their public domain like they are, everyone has this, They 800 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,839 Speaker 1: have this like universal like buy in. We all have 801 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 1: this like um like connotation for them. Um like what 802 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,160 Speaker 1: like one that I think of a lot. Also from 803 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 1: around that same time as Ella Enchanted starring and Hathaway, 804 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:10,920 Speaker 1: based on the book, which I mean so formative. Listen, 805 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,239 Speaker 1: the book was very important to me, the film less 806 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 1: so because it's it's like not good um but um 807 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,839 Speaker 1: for anyone who hasn't read it. Ella Enchanted is like 808 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:27,400 Speaker 1: a kind of Cinderella retelling in which um, the Cinderella 809 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,319 Speaker 1: in question, Ella has this gift given to her by 810 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 1: a fairy godmother that she must obey anything someone asks 811 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,400 Speaker 1: of her. And that's what leads to her being a 812 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 1: servant UM and she you know, like falls in the 813 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,399 Speaker 1: like plays out like Cinderella, You don't you don't need 814 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 1: more than that, um. But it's such a good like 815 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,239 Speaker 1: like like middle grade book, and it was turned into 816 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,719 Speaker 1: a film starring and Hathaway, And I actually said recently 817 00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:01,840 Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift's Bejeweled video is very enchanted for it 818 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,640 Speaker 1: is it is? Yeah. I actually rewatched ellen Chanted on 819 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,920 Speaker 1: a plane recently and I was like, Wow, this movie 820 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:12,000 Speaker 1: is bad. But but Anne Hathaway does a really great 821 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,359 Speaker 1: version of Somebody to Love in it. She does, and 822 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 1: she's perfect for the role. I'm not gonna lie. And 823 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,960 Speaker 1: I love the blonde British actress who plays one of 824 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,600 Speaker 1: her step sisters who like turns up in a lot 825 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,920 Speaker 1: of those kind of movies from the early two thousand's 826 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,080 Speaker 1: and also was in Netflix's A Series of Unfortunate Events 827 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 1: TV show and it's so good. I don't know what 828 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,759 Speaker 1: her name is, it doesn't matter. One of the like 829 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 1: my earliest memories of these kind of like adaptations that 830 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,600 Speaker 1: you're talking about that had to straddle adult audiences and 831 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,680 Speaker 1: jokes with like the fact that it's a kids movie 832 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,880 Speaker 1: was Aladdin based on you know, one thousand and one 833 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,360 Speaker 1: Nights and not a Western fairytale. But um my, mom, 834 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,360 Speaker 1: like when we bought this like VHS tape, would just 835 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,840 Speaker 1: sat home and watch it over and over again because 836 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,799 Speaker 1: they were like jokes for adults and kids. And I 837 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,880 Speaker 1: know that like a lot of what like Robin Williams 838 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,239 Speaker 1: did with that role was like ad libbed, and like, 839 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, there's like stuff in there that's just like 840 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,239 Speaker 1: stuff that I would never ever understand as a child. Um. 841 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,719 Speaker 1: But I mean, damn, did did Aladdin win an Oscar? No? 842 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,520 Speaker 1: That was Beauty and the Beast. Beauty and the Beast 843 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,839 Speaker 1: was the first animated film to ever be UM nominated 844 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 1: for an Oscar for Best Picture and is the reason 845 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:39,960 Speaker 1: why the Best Animated Feature category was created. Oh wow, 846 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,880 Speaker 1: I did not know that the Disney change in the game. Um. 847 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,800 Speaker 1: You know, there are so many film adaptations of fairy tales. 848 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,960 Speaker 1: I also love book adaptations of fairy tales, and there 849 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:56,440 Speaker 1: have been so many great especially short story collections, UM 850 00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,040 Speaker 1: over the years. Um there's one short story collection that 851 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,839 Speaker 1: I don't have a copy of it anymore. I don't 852 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,960 Speaker 1: know why, but I need to to get a new one. UM. 853 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,759 Speaker 1: It's called My Mother She killed me, My father he 854 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,880 Speaker 1: ate me. UM. That is definitely one that I recommend. UM. 855 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 1: One of my favorite short story adaptations of a fairy 856 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:21,160 Speaker 1: tale that I believe I've mentioned on this podcast before 857 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,799 Speaker 1: is snow Glass Apples by Neil Gaiman. UM. It's a 858 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,880 Speaker 1: short story that he wrote, I think maybe back in 859 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:32,080 Speaker 1: the nineties, and it is a very very dark retelling 860 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,319 Speaker 1: a snow White in which snow White is kind of 861 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:41,880 Speaker 1: a zombie vampire monster and the evil queen is actually 862 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,399 Speaker 1: the hero of the story. There's I believe a oh 863 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: I think I have it. There's a a graphic novel 864 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 1: um adaptation of it that's really beautiful. UM. I would 865 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,520 Speaker 1: definitely recommend that. Also, have you heard I mean you're 866 00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 1: not as like active of on book talk as I am, 867 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,400 Speaker 1: but have you have you heard of? Do you know 868 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 1: who Sarah J. Mass is? No? No, tell me? Okay, alright, 869 00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,560 Speaker 1: Strap in Virgence Okay. So Sarah J. Mass writes in 870 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:21,759 Speaker 1: this like cross section of like romance fantasy, UM, and 871 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,479 Speaker 1: she has this very popular series UM called a Court 872 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,600 Speaker 1: of Thorn and Roses. And the first book actually like 873 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 1: is basically a Beauty and the Beast retelling, but then 874 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 1: it becomes something else. Um, and it is. It's like 875 00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,480 Speaker 1: I read most of the books earlier this year, like 876 00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,040 Speaker 1: the end of last year. They're really bad. It's like 877 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:54,800 Speaker 1: the most like kind of pathetic self insertion like um 878 00:54:54,960 --> 00:55:00,080 Speaker 1: like like character x reader, like Mary Sue Vibes. Like 879 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,720 Speaker 1: there's this girl who gets kidnapped by a fairy lord 880 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,759 Speaker 1: and like he falls in love with her, and then 881 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,759 Speaker 1: she gets turned into a fairy and it turns out 882 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,520 Speaker 1: she has the most incredible powers and like it learns 883 00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,680 Speaker 1: how to use them immediately. And then there's this other 884 00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,440 Speaker 1: fairy who falls in love with her and they're destined 885 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,479 Speaker 1: to be together. And he's like a thousand years old 886 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,600 Speaker 1: and is in love with a seventeen year old girl. 887 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:27,480 Speaker 1: And it's just like it sounds like Twilight. It is. 888 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,960 Speaker 1: It is Twilight in a way. UM. I don't recommend 889 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,319 Speaker 1: reading it unless you are really bored, but you know, 890 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,000 Speaker 1: go off if you do, go off, if you do. Um, Okay, look, 891 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,080 Speaker 1: we would be remiss not to mention, even though we've 892 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,640 Speaker 1: already discussed it on the pod. One of your favorite 893 00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,200 Speaker 1: musicals of all time, which is Into the Woods, an 894 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,799 Speaker 1: amalgamation of multiple fairy tales. You know, we've chatted about it, 895 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,839 Speaker 1: but like you know, walk the virgins through, Like how 896 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,640 Speaker 1: you feel about like this? What the what this musical 897 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,200 Speaker 1: did for you when you first watched it? Well, what 898 00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,719 Speaker 1: I love about Into the Woods is that it is, 899 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,280 Speaker 1: much like some of the other things we've talked about, 900 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,480 Speaker 1: is a musical that puts all of these different fairy 901 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:20,640 Speaker 1: tales together. Um. And the you know, first half of 902 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:25,759 Speaker 1: Into the Woods is about like the thing that is 903 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,280 Speaker 1: at the crux of every fairy tale, which is um 904 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,600 Speaker 1: wishing for something. The musical both starts and ends with 905 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:40,440 Speaker 1: someone saying the words I wish um. And then the 906 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,360 Speaker 1: second act of the musical is about what happens after 907 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,359 Speaker 1: happily ever after, what happens after you get the thing 908 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,799 Speaker 1: that you want um and you realize that you don't 909 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,600 Speaker 1: want it anymore, or it doesn't make you happy, or 910 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,279 Speaker 1: it just leads to a whole new set of problems, um. 911 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,840 Speaker 1: And Into the Woods is you know, tells that story 912 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,239 Speaker 1: in such a beautiful way. Into the Woods is also 913 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,960 Speaker 1: so much about the relationships between parents and children. Um. 914 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,120 Speaker 1: You know, like the the I think most beautiful and 915 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:18,680 Speaker 1: like emotionally affecting song in the show is children Will Listen, um, 916 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,840 Speaker 1: which is also the song that closes the show um. 917 00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:32,160 Speaker 1: And it is I think Sondheime's most accessible work, probably 918 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:37,160 Speaker 1: because of the fairy tale of it all, because these 919 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,360 Speaker 1: are characters who loom large in our cultural consciousness. And 920 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,320 Speaker 1: this is I think, like the reason that all fairytale 921 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:49,320 Speaker 1: retellings work on some level is because you have that 922 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,600 Speaker 1: narrative shorthand of the reader or the watcher or the 923 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:58,919 Speaker 1: listener whatever it is already um knowing so much through 924 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,400 Speaker 1: using the these characters that you're able to use them 925 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:08,280 Speaker 1: to tell a much more effective story that way. And 926 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,080 Speaker 1: so like we we already know that that the things 927 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,200 Speaker 1: that these different characters symbolize, like Red Little Red riding 928 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,400 Speaker 1: Hood and Jack and the Mean Stock are about straying 929 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,440 Speaker 1: from the path and like you know, like not not 930 00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,640 Speaker 1: like going looking for adventure because like you you just 931 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,200 Speaker 1: might find it and like it might kill you or 932 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:34,480 Speaker 1: like whatever. Um, And through through those stories they're then 933 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,280 Speaker 1: able to tell I guess, like the you know, like 934 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,560 Speaker 1: the next the you know, those fairy tales are like 935 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,280 Speaker 1: the one oh one lessons and like then into the 936 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,480 Speaker 1: woods it's like, okay, well we're going to now teach 937 00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:52,000 Speaker 1: the two or two lessons or like the three oh three. 938 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,280 Speaker 1: This is lesson, This is a p this is pre 939 00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:18,840 Speaker 1: prestat tests. Yes, I really love fairy tales. I actually like, 940 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe in some in some like alternative world, 941 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,880 Speaker 1: I like, you know, um, like got my masters and 942 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,720 Speaker 1: I'm like a professor of like folklore or something l 943 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,840 Speaker 1: L folks ll L folklore by Taylor Swift. Cur I 944 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,959 Speaker 1: currently am a professor of folklore. Wait wait wait wait 945 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,320 Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait, there's a there's a jukebox musical 946 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:48,080 Speaker 1: adaptation of folk tales that is set to folklore. Absolutely, 947 00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,000 Speaker 1: maybe it's folklore and Evermore I elect songs from folklore. Oh, 948 00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,480 Speaker 1: I absolutely could see like a Taylor Swift jukebox musical 949 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,400 Speaker 1: where the first act is all folklore songs and the 950 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,600 Speaker 1: second act is all Evermore song. I mean, listen, she 951 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,400 Speaker 1: is already, you know, doing her directorial debut. She's making 952 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,720 Speaker 1: her directorial debut soon, um, making a movie or whatever. 953 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,520 Speaker 1: So maybe this is like project too. You should and 954 01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,240 Speaker 1: you're going to write it. No, she's going to write it. 955 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,920 Speaker 1: She's gonna She's not handing creative control over she's gonna 956 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,800 Speaker 1: write Tree Pain. Tree Pain would only need to do 957 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,240 Speaker 1: a very cursory Google search of me to get me 958 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,160 Speaker 1: kicked off the project or not even not even in 959 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,320 Speaker 1: not kicked out of a meeting. She's probably listening to 960 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,280 Speaker 1: this podcast right now, Tree Pain, We love you, We 961 01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,400 Speaker 1: love you. Um Okay, if I ever adapted something, I mean, 962 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,120 Speaker 1: I mean obviously I would want to do Little Mermaid, 963 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,160 Speaker 1: but like it's it's already being done, and if like 964 01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,680 Speaker 1: Sofia Coppola couldn't do her version, then like I probably 965 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,600 Speaker 1: can't do want the Sofia version. I honestly think it 966 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,880 Speaker 1: would be boring. I think it would be boring, like 967 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,920 Speaker 1: that's what that's my that's my take. Um. But I 968 01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,320 Speaker 1: but it would be beautiful. It would It would be 969 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,120 Speaker 1: so gorgeous still look at it would be and the 970 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:05,600 Speaker 1: soundtrack would slap and it would be so angsty like 971 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,360 Speaker 1: so teen angst Um. I would love to adapt Sleeping 972 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:14,440 Speaker 1: Beauty because these maleficent adaptations are these maleficent like you know, 973 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,680 Speaker 1: movies are like in my in my opinion, like total garbage, 974 01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,640 Speaker 1: Like I just like it's all c g I and 975 01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:24,320 Speaker 1: like there's a no like real imagination, and it like 976 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:29,080 Speaker 1: there's no like there's no invention within the story and 977 01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,880 Speaker 1: like the original Sleeping Beauty like it's just completely like 978 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,920 Speaker 1: there's so many different versions of it that are completely 979 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,479 Speaker 1: different from the Disney version, with the Disney version which 980 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,040 Speaker 1: took a lot of creative liberties. So what would your 981 01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,360 Speaker 1: take on Sleeping Beauty be. I don't know, I have 982 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:53,160 Speaker 1: probably like it would. Yeah. The whole thing is she 983 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,080 Speaker 1: like picks herself on a needle, right, So I actually 984 01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,960 Speaker 1: think there's I think there is a Sleeping Beauty retelling 985 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,480 Speaker 1: that's like kind of about No, maybe it's not. Maybe 986 01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,320 Speaker 1: she does an O D. I think that's too dark 987 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,240 Speaker 1: to like queer cultural commentary. Like maybe it's like she's 988 01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,720 Speaker 1: getting a tattoo and um, the needles not clean, and 989 01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,240 Speaker 1: she gets an infection, maybe a topic she gets a 990 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,440 Speaker 1: topical infection. Maybe it's basically like my year of rest 991 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,160 Speaker 1: and relaxation, but it's kind of sleep it's kind of 992 01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:28,240 Speaker 1: Sleeping Beauty esque, and she wakes she went yeah, but 993 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,919 Speaker 1: she wakes up after one year and she realizes that, 994 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,280 Speaker 1: you know, the invention of the workforce is like the 995 01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,360 Speaker 1: destruction of like our our our world and that, like 996 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,320 Speaker 1: we have to fight capitalism, Like that's like the No, 997 01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,560 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, that would be so boring, but like 998 01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,520 Speaker 1: literally she's had like I think the original, in the original, 999 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,240 Speaker 1: her name is like Talia or something like that, which 1000 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,800 Speaker 1: is a name is Aurora. No, I'm saying in the 1001 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:58,560 Speaker 1: original her name is Talia. Like, yeah, it's it's little Briar, 1002 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,920 Speaker 1: they say, like little Briar Rose and like in some 1003 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:05,520 Speaker 1: of the earliest appearances of this story, which I think 1004 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:12,120 Speaker 1: date back to like fifteen fifteen hundreds, Yeah, the sleeping 1005 01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,040 Speaker 1: beauty is named Talia, which is kind of that's a 1006 01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:19,800 Speaker 1: very chosen name totally. I might actually know a trans 1007 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:24,360 Speaker 1: woman named Talia. I might know a Talia. Um. Yeah, no, 1008 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,160 Speaker 1: I'll have to think on my adaptation, Okay, I I 1009 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,960 Speaker 1: have mine. Yeah, what would it be? I was We've 1010 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,680 Speaker 1: already we've been throwing so many ideas into the pot here. 1011 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,880 Speaker 1: What was so a weird fairy tale that I always 1012 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:41,400 Speaker 1: really liked is the twelve Dancing Princesses. Are you familiar? No? Okay, 1013 01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,160 Speaker 1: So the to Dancing Princesses is like it's kind of lame. 1014 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,520 Speaker 1: It's like one of those fairy tales that has like 1015 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:52,600 Speaker 1: a very interesting setup but doesn't conclude in a satisfying way. 1016 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:58,000 Speaker 1: So there's this king and he has twelve daughters and um, 1017 01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,360 Speaker 1: they're like not allowed to get married for some reason. 1018 01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,560 Speaker 1: And every night he locks them into their room. Um, 1019 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,800 Speaker 1: but every morning the twelve princesses are exhausted and their 1020 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,280 Speaker 1: shoes are like all beat up, as if they've been 1021 01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,040 Speaker 1: dancing all night. And so the king is like, Okay, 1022 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,400 Speaker 1: if anyone can figure out what the funk my daughters 1023 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:21,240 Speaker 1: are doing at night to these shoes, they you know, 1024 01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,000 Speaker 1: they will get like whatever they want, Like I'll get 1025 01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:29,440 Speaker 1: grant them anything they want. And so this guy is 1026 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:34,200 Speaker 1: like gets some kind of like cloak that makes him unseeable. 1027 01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,680 Speaker 1: It's like the invisibility cloak from Harry Potter, and he 1028 01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,440 Speaker 1: um sneaks into the princess's room, which is inappropriate, um 1029 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:46,720 Speaker 1: and finds out that at night they open a trapdoor 1030 01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,720 Speaker 1: in their bedroom and go out to like a lake 1031 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,320 Speaker 1: behind the castle or whatever, and these twelve boats come 1032 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,240 Speaker 1: and pick them up and take them to a castle 1033 01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,760 Speaker 1: where they dance with twelve princes all night and then 1034 01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:05,680 Speaker 1: come back in the morning. And um, like the guy 1035 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,360 Speaker 1: who's following them. He there's these three trees that they 1036 01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,640 Speaker 1: walk by. One of them is gold, one of them silver, 1037 01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,640 Speaker 1: I think, the other one is bronze, and he like 1038 01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,600 Speaker 1: picks these suits. He like picks leaves from them to 1039 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,360 Speaker 1: show the king, like for proof. Um. And so the 1040 01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,960 Speaker 1: story ends in this very unsatisfying way, which is just 1041 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,720 Speaker 1: that he like tells on the princesses to the king 1042 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,120 Speaker 1: and the King's like, okay, well you can have whatever 1043 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,240 Speaker 1: you want. So the guy marries the eldest princess and 1044 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,720 Speaker 1: then becomes the next king. And it's like such a 1045 01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:39,320 Speaker 1: lame version of story. Okay, So here's my adoptation. Okay, love. 1046 01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,960 Speaker 1: So the twelve dancing princesses, they're like, they live in 1047 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:48,760 Speaker 1: a punk squad and I'm in continue, they live in 1048 01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:53,840 Speaker 1: a punk squat um and um they the punk squad 1049 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:58,080 Speaker 1: gets bought, okay, but they won't leave. So they're like, 1050 01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,760 Speaker 1: actually they're actually squat ing. And so this sort of 1051 01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:07,840 Speaker 1: like yuppie developer um Is decides to like infiltrate their 1052 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,960 Speaker 1: the squat to like get them out. What about squatters, right, Well, 1053 01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,440 Speaker 1: I mean that's why he has to use you know, subterfuge. 1054 01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,880 Speaker 1: Uh So he you know, starts he like moves, he 1055 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,200 Speaker 1: like starts hanging around, and he's like, what are these 1056 01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,520 Speaker 1: girls doing every night? Because like I can't find a 1057 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,080 Speaker 1: reason to actually kick them out. And then it turns 1058 01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,080 Speaker 1: out that there's a secret basement at the bottom of 1059 01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,760 Speaker 1: the house where they throw raves and they're like raising 1060 01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:41,400 Speaker 1: money to buy the house back from the developer. And 1061 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,200 Speaker 1: the shoe thing is like they're all wearing tabbies. I 1062 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,960 Speaker 1: don't know, yeah, the shoes. I was like kind of 1063 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,400 Speaker 1: waiting for the shoe spin. I was thinking, like maybe 1064 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,400 Speaker 1: they all work at like Aldo, or you know, they 1065 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,000 Speaker 1: don't work at Aldo. They work they don't have jobs, 1066 01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:01,360 Speaker 1: starting anti capitalist. So the shoe thing is they go 1067 01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,760 Speaker 1: thrifting every day to buy new shoes because they like 1068 01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,840 Speaker 1: wear their shoes out dancing all night. Um. But so 1069 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,680 Speaker 1: this this guy is like, oh, and they're not all 1070 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,200 Speaker 1: they're not they're not all girls, like they're all like 1071 01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,920 Speaker 1: a gender, they're all nine mine areas. And so the 1072 01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,800 Speaker 1: developer guy like he starts going to the raves with 1073 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,040 Speaker 1: them and he's actually like really into it and he 1074 01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,960 Speaker 1: becomes a dj um and I don't know, this is 1075 01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,320 Speaker 1: kind of spinning away from me a little bit. I 1076 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:28,840 Speaker 1: think I think no, no, no no, I think we need 1077 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:32,880 Speaker 1: to focus on the shoes, shoes. So it's about the shoes, right, 1078 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,440 Speaker 1: And so maybe they're all maybe they're an organized crime 1079 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:41,440 Speaker 1: group of like punk squatters that that collectively steal shoes 1080 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:45,840 Speaker 1: from Steve Madden as a kind of transtor no, because 1081 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,040 Speaker 1: it has to be Steve Madden, because Steve Maddon is 1082 01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,800 Speaker 1: the only one that makes, you know, shoes for girls 1083 01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,520 Speaker 1: like me, you know what I mean, Like they're like 1084 01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:58,480 Speaker 1: like Dillard's, Dillard's Steve Madden. I'm not going to fucking 1085 01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,560 Speaker 1: like Heavenly Heals dot Com or whatever, you know, I'm 1086 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,800 Speaker 1: not gonna go get some Here's what it is is 1087 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,040 Speaker 1: these girls sneak out at night and steal people's Essence packages. 1088 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,880 Speaker 1: Except except Essence does not have very inclusive sizing unless 1089 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,840 Speaker 1: you're doing you know, the Tommy Dorfman for a Simon 1090 01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,000 Speaker 1: Miller collection. This needs a little more work, but I 1091 01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,120 Speaker 1: think that there's something there. I think there's something. There's 1092 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,920 Speaker 1: something with Ray. I. I do think the basement rave 1093 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,479 Speaker 1: is an integral part of the story. But we can't 1094 01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,640 Speaker 1: forget about the shoes. Roses important it's like, you know, 1095 01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,000 Speaker 1: someone will help us put it together. We're gonna we're 1096 01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,519 Speaker 1: gonna need to develop. Maybe there's a foot fetish thing 1097 01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,000 Speaker 1: in there somewhere. What is it about fairy tales and feet, 1098 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,040 Speaker 1: because like that's the thing with the original Cinderella, is 1099 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,640 Speaker 1: that the step sisters in the original story, when the 1100 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,920 Speaker 1: prince comes with the glass slipper to have them try 1101 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,800 Speaker 1: it on, the first one cuts off her toes so 1102 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,599 Speaker 1: her foot can fit into the shoe, and then the 1103 01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,160 Speaker 1: birds are like, look at the shoe, look at the shoe, 1104 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,639 Speaker 1: and like the looks and season it's full of blood. 1105 01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,960 Speaker 1: And then the other step sister cuts off her heel 1106 01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:05,760 Speaker 1: and puts in the shoe, and the birds are like, 1107 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:07,400 Speaker 1: look at the shoe, look at the shoe, and the 1108 01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,120 Speaker 1: prince looks at the shoe and it's full of blood, 1109 01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,200 Speaker 1: and then the birds peck out the eyes of the 1110 01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:16,040 Speaker 1: two stepsisters. It's really fucking dark. Um Okay, between that 1111 01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,040 Speaker 1: and the fairy tale you were just talking about and 1112 01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,040 Speaker 1: little mermaid with like the knives and her feet, the 1113 01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,040 Speaker 1: knives in her feet and like, you know, the little 1114 01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,920 Speaker 1: red shoes, little shoes. I'm sure the beast from Beauty 1115 01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,320 Speaker 1: and the Beast had a foot fetish too. Yeah, that's 1116 01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,599 Speaker 1: the thing is like maybe Hans, maybe the brothers Graham 1117 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,479 Speaker 1: had like Ash Anderson had like a foot fetter. Also, 1118 01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,120 Speaker 1: when you think about Beauty and the Beast, like, it's 1119 01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:42,639 Speaker 1: so funked up because all that happened was the Bell's 1120 01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,599 Speaker 1: father stole in the original story, plucked a rose from 1121 01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,839 Speaker 1: the garden of the castle, and then the Beast was like, okay, 1122 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,200 Speaker 1: well you're my slave for all eternity now. And then 1123 01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,040 Speaker 1: Belle comes and treats herself for her father's place because 1124 01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,280 Speaker 1: she was the one who wanted the roads. So it's like, 1125 01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,599 Speaker 1: actually her her fault, and she gets stuck with him 1126 01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,960 Speaker 1: for all altern and he gets Stockholm syndrome and then 1127 01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:09,320 Speaker 1: falls in love with him and she doesn't. Well, okay, 1128 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,040 Speaker 1: I think we've talked about this. So in the Disney version, 1129 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, he has to transform back into a human 1130 01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,799 Speaker 1: before she falls in love with him. But in the original, 1131 01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:18,960 Speaker 1: she falls in love with the beat. She falls she 1132 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,280 Speaker 1: falls in love with the Beast. In the movie, she says, 1133 01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,719 Speaker 1: I love you before he turns back into the prince 1134 01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:27,040 Speaker 1: Church or churcher. True. What I mean is that she 1135 01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,200 Speaker 1: doesn't commit to him as a like only until he 1136 01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,960 Speaker 1: transforms into human? Is it like a happy ending so 1137 01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,640 Speaker 1: to speak? And there's there right, but well, I'm what 1138 01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying is like in the original, I'm pretty sure 1139 01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,200 Speaker 1: there's an iteration where he stays the beast and they 1140 01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,200 Speaker 1: stay in love. I would love to see that version. 1141 01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:49,759 Speaker 1: I think I think bell if if after the camera 1142 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,400 Speaker 1: stopped rolling, I think she's like I kind of missed 1143 01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:56,000 Speaker 1: it when you were I think she's a monster fucker. 1144 01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,920 Speaker 1: And actually in the in the Emma Watson remake, which 1145 01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,479 Speaker 1: you know I did. I did cry when I saw 1146 01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,840 Speaker 1: in theaters. But um, there's a little there's a little 1147 01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,479 Speaker 1: moment at the end where like at the ball at 1148 01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,040 Speaker 1: the end when they're dancing where the prince who is 1149 01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:16,439 Speaker 1: um Lord Matthew from Downtown Abbey, where he like growls 1150 01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,120 Speaker 1: at her, which is to suggest that he's retained some 1151 01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,759 Speaker 1: of his like beastly tendencies, and I would hope that 1152 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:28,120 Speaker 1: um he still has like a huge monster cock um. 1153 01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,639 Speaker 1: Speaking of beastly, have you ever heard of the movie 1154 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:35,639 Speaker 1: Beastly starring Vanessa Hudgens. No, is that an adaptation? Okay, yes, 1155 01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,439 Speaker 1: it's a Beauty and the Beast m retelling that sort 1156 01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:44,320 Speaker 1: of came with Vanessa Hudgens. It came out post Twilight 1157 01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:49,919 Speaker 1: and is very clearly trying to capitalize off of Twilight 1158 01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,519 Speaker 1: Mania as a lot of immediate as a lot of 1159 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,639 Speaker 1: culture was trying to do at that time. And it's 1160 01:11:55,840 --> 01:12:00,920 Speaker 1: it's also stars Mary kay Olson who playst who played Okay. 1161 01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,719 Speaker 1: So it's about this like rich kid in high school 1162 01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,920 Speaker 1: who's like very mean, um, and he's very mean to 1163 01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,360 Speaker 1: to marry Kate Olsen, who's just like a witch who 1164 01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,120 Speaker 1: goes to the high school and she can and she 1165 01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:15,760 Speaker 1: curses him to be ugly and like he doesn't turn 1166 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,680 Speaker 1: into a literal beast. He just like has like a 1167 01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,840 Speaker 1: weird tattoos and scars and like a staple in his nose. 1168 01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:27,479 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know. And his rich dad sends 1169 01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:31,200 Speaker 1: him like sends him away to an apartment downtown and 1170 01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:37,839 Speaker 1: they're the like Loomier and Cogsworth are an older um 1171 01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:43,880 Speaker 1: like Haitian woman who's um not stuck as a clock, 1172 01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:48,200 Speaker 1: but her like children are are like back where she's 1173 01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,080 Speaker 1: from and she can't get them. And then like the 1174 01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:56,479 Speaker 1: Loomier is played by Neil Patrick Harris who's blind, who 1175 01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,479 Speaker 1: plays blind which is not appropriate, and like he's and 1176 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,120 Speaker 1: like he at several points in the movie is like, yeah, 1177 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,559 Speaker 1: I mean you might be a beast, but I am blind, 1178 01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:10,200 Speaker 1: which is like my curse and it's so awful. And 1179 01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,880 Speaker 1: so then Vanessa Hudgens, who is Bell, her dad is 1180 01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:18,600 Speaker 1: a drug dealer, and the Beast quote unquote like witnesses 1181 01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,920 Speaker 1: some kind of shady drug deal and he's like, I'll 1182 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,920 Speaker 1: keep your daughter safe. And so that's how she comes 1183 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,360 Speaker 1: to be like trapped in his apartment with him, and 1184 01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,720 Speaker 1: then they fall in love. And at the end of 1185 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:34,240 Speaker 1: the movie when she like says she loves him after 1186 01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,599 Speaker 1: her dad dies, I believe um he transforms back into 1187 01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:43,880 Speaker 1: being hot again. Neil Patrick. Harris's blindness is um cured 1188 01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:48,639 Speaker 1: so he can see um and they go to Machu Picchu. 1189 01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:57,080 Speaker 1: It's a very weird movie. Nothing that you said in 1190 01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:00,640 Speaker 1: that sentence I could have predicted, like the word afterward. 1191 01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely never. I'm looking also now at like photos of 1192 01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:11,000 Speaker 1: Mary kay Olsen with this like and this eyeshadow. Mama, 1193 01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:16,599 Speaker 1: she was kind of serving. But let's let's let's say something. 1194 01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:20,360 Speaker 1: This guy as the Beast quote unquote he looks like 1195 01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,439 Speaker 1: he's just going to battle him, like he really he 1196 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,400 Speaker 1: looks like he's going to un Yeah, he looks like 1197 01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,439 Speaker 1: he's going to under Like he looks like a normal 1198 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:35,080 Speaker 1: guy with like alt face tattoos and piercings, like just giving, 1199 01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,439 Speaker 1: like one of like he's giving. It's giving. He literally 1200 01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:40,559 Speaker 1: could be like an editorial assistant at Simon and Schuster. 1201 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:45,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's giving Susanne Barsh's follies, like you know 1202 01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,400 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's giving like I have like a 1203 01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,439 Speaker 1: residency at the Mikittrick Hotel, you know. Like he also 1204 01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,960 Speaker 1: definitely has a Prince Albert for sure. Yeah, oh for sure, 1205 01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,600 Speaker 1: and in only fans that like rich I would. I 1206 01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,759 Speaker 1: wouldn't subscribe to it, but I would. I would certainly 1207 01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,600 Speaker 1: watch clips of it on Important Tube. I know you 1208 01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,360 Speaker 1: and I are already working on like another um you know, 1209 01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,360 Speaker 1: fairy Us adaptation thingy. But like, honestly, The Beauty and 1210 01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,680 Speaker 1: the Beast is really good for an adaptation, like I think, 1211 01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:18,240 Speaker 1: but so done to death. No it's not. It's only 1212 01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:20,800 Speaker 1: been done by Disney, like no one knows what and 1213 01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:25,400 Speaker 1: by Beastly. No one knows what Beastly is. People know 1214 01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,559 Speaker 1: what beastly is. We'll see, We'll let the virgins speak 1215 01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,000 Speaker 1: on that. There was also the Beautician and the Beast story, 1216 01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:39,000 Speaker 1: which I've never seen why it was not good. I 1217 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,760 Speaker 1: don't remember literally anything about it, but I remember that 1218 01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,559 Speaker 1: it's not good. Okay, well I think we should watch 1219 01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,280 Speaker 1: it because honestly, it's fran Dresser and we don't have 1220 01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,920 Speaker 1: enough friend Dresser content. Before she came out as an 1221 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,479 Speaker 1: anti vaccent she did come out as an anti vaxer. 1222 01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:57,240 Speaker 1: That's so unfortunate, but like a really yes, she came 1223 01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,080 Speaker 1: out as an anti vaccer, but like kind of a 1224 01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,800 Speaker 1: really nice one because her whole thing is about like 1225 01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,320 Speaker 1: can't she has like the cancer shmancer, She has the 1226 01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:08,040 Speaker 1: Cancer Shmancer Organization, and like her primary concern is like 1227 01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,439 Speaker 1: making sure people don't get cancer, and so she looks 1228 01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,439 Speaker 1: at like, you know whatever. Anyways, well, no, it was 1229 01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,839 Speaker 1: it's more about people. She was like celebrating that sets 1230 01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,960 Speaker 1: because she's the sack after president, and she made a 1231 01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,760 Speaker 1: video where she was like, yeah, now people don't have 1232 01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:28,000 Speaker 1: to be vaccinated to work on film and TV sets. Yes, finally, 1233 01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:34,200 Speaker 1: finally inclusion for us again, Inclusions, Inclusion iniversity and Disney 1234 01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:38,920 Speaker 1: is so important. Okay, well, I'm so sorry to end 1235 01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,800 Speaker 1: on on the fact that friend dresser I know and 1236 01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:53,679 Speaker 1: they all lived happily ever after and unvaccinated. Slide into 1237 01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:58,640 Speaker 1: our dms. Like Like a Virgin. Please rate us on Spotify, 1238 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,680 Speaker 1: review on Apple podcast Us. 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