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Speaker 1: Natively and pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Reaisent Choice Media all Right. Joining the podcast now

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Speaker 1: is author, comedian, and somewhat of a social commentator, Leslie Jones.

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Speaker 2: We are social to have you on this show.

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Speaker 1: It's happening in your world. I've been seeing you pop

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Speaker 1: up a lot, so I know we have a lot

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Speaker 1: to get into you. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: We're happy to have you, sus.

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Speaker 3: Thanks welcome home. Thank you for having me. I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: I watch you and Angela and Andrew all the time.

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Speaker 2: But we appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love your pot. I love you Pot.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Know.

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Speaker 1: We out here trying to do what we can in

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Speaker 1: this uh, in this chaos, and it's so much happening, Leslie.

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Speaker 1: And what I would have to say, what I appreciate

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Speaker 1: about you is you have always tried to use your

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Speaker 1: platform that either a make people laugh or be speak

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Speaker 1: out about something. I love that you center women and

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Speaker 1: black women and a lot of the things that you

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Speaker 1: do and hold the line for us.

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Speaker 2: So we appreciate you that.

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Speaker 1: I think in this time we talked a little bit

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Speaker 1: about what do we do so many people are asking

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Speaker 1: us all the time what do we do?

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Speaker 2: And on the other side.

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Speaker 1: So many people are checked out, like they're just like,

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Speaker 1: I can't it's too much happening.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna binge something, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 1: Stream something which uniquely puts entertainers in a spotlight. So

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Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think the role of Black Hollywood

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Speaker 1: is in this moment as we're facing assault on every front,

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Speaker 1: from our civil rights to our bodily autonomy, to our

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Speaker 1: finances to the very infrastructure of the country. What do

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Speaker 1: you think the role of Black Hollywood is there?

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Speaker 4: Well, first, I feel like we need to realize what's

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Speaker 4: happening through each decade or is that we're using less

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Speaker 4: and less percentage of our brain, Like there's no critical thinking,

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Speaker 4: there's no like and you get that through reading books

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Speaker 4: and Okay, it's hard to kind of say this without

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be offensive or whatever.

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Speaker 3: But speak the truth.

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Speaker 4: We had a crack error, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: We had There's there's kids that were born of that

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Speaker 4: that wasn't raised like us like to have boundaries and

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Speaker 4: critical thinking and think about it's we have to think

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Speaker 4: about where the mind state of where everybody is not

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Speaker 4: just black people white people, this society period. We are

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Speaker 4: in the complacent stage right now, Like people always ask like,

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Speaker 4: what do we do?

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Speaker 3: What do we do? You know what we have to do?

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Speaker 3: Everybody knows what we have to do.

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Speaker 4: We just too complacent and we've paid for our convenience

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Speaker 4: with our democracy.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, We're not.

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Speaker 4: No one's gonna stop watching Netflix, no one's gonna stop

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Speaker 4: ordering Amazon. And we could stop smoking cigarettes for one

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Speaker 4: week and shut shit down, but no one's gonna do that,

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Speaker 4: no one. No one's gonna take responsibility for their role

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Speaker 4: and what we have to do until they actually take

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Speaker 4: it serious. Because people still are on that Oh they

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Speaker 4: can't do that, Oh they can't make that happen, but

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Speaker 4: they are making that happen. And we're sitting here not

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Speaker 4: understanding that we hold that we hold the key in

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Speaker 4: our hand.

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Speaker 3: It's us.

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Speaker 4: We millionaires don't have money unless we give them money,

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Speaker 4: you know, And as black people, we're one of the

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Speaker 4: biggest consumers of this market and we just uneducated.

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Speaker 3: Man, Like I'm so, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: It really comes down to whenever I hear anyone say

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Speaker 4: that they're racist or or they don't understand. D you

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Speaker 4: just uneducated because DEI is very simple. No one's saying

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Speaker 4: they're lowing expectations. They're saying they're opening it up to everyone,

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Speaker 4: not just to white people. And if you think that

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Speaker 4: black people or immigrants are taking your jobs, go look

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Speaker 4: at the test scores.

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Speaker 3: No, it's your white friend that's taking your job. So

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Speaker 3: so I'm sorry, I was going to ask you.

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Speaker 5: So one of the things that TIF was getting at

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Speaker 5: is the role that you see entertained playing in this

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Speaker 5: particular moment. We know in our history, whether we're talking

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Speaker 5: Harry Harry Belafonte to did Gregory, entertainment entertainers have always

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Speaker 5: been an essential part of movement building. And you brought

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Speaker 5: up DEI, which for our audience diversity, equity and inclusion.

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Speaker 5: Hollywood was one of the first industries hit by folks

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Speaker 5: saying you know what, we actually are going to retract

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Speaker 5: a little bit on this whole DEI thing. So when

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Speaker 5: you think about what the requirement is, what is your

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Speaker 5: most reasonable service in this time and what would you

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Speaker 5: challenge your peers to do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I challenged them to when they go on a set,

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Speaker 4: which is something I do. How many black people here, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, you know you're not going to give me

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Speaker 4: favorite dations. That's what they want to use, all of

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Speaker 4: it because can't no white woman do my hair. I've

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Speaker 4: had white hairdressers on set say to me, Oh, I

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Speaker 4: date a black guy and we have a kid, so

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Speaker 4: I know how to do black hair. What I've had

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Speaker 4: a makeup artist said to me, Hey, I did Yola

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Speaker 4: Davis and Gabrielle that bitch that has nothing to do

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Speaker 4: with me.

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Speaker 3: You need to go and get that tone. You need

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Speaker 3: to go get my color.

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Speaker 4: Tone because I'm five shades darker than her and five

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Speaker 4: shades lighter than her.

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Speaker 3: So what like?

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Speaker 4: And I'm gonna tell you you gonna get labeled a bitch,

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Speaker 4: but they gonna call you one anyway. I me myself.

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Speaker 4: I don't like to look like a shiny ass bitch.

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Speaker 4: When I was on SNL, we had a light in

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Speaker 4: person that was like like put.

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Speaker 3: Some more light, and I was like, put some more

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Speaker 3: light on me.

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Speaker 4: This is a dark gass stage. I'm a black bitch.

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Speaker 4: Put the light on me. No, And I'm very verbal.

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Speaker 4: I'm very verbal. Oh I look shiny, No, I look

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Speaker 4: darker than what I am are you doing that on purpose?

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Speaker 4: Are you trying to make me look dirty? Or are

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Speaker 4: you is there a reason put some light on me? No.

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Speaker 4: I had to learn that shit easy early too, because

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Speaker 4: I'm a dark skinned person and if I wear any

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Speaker 4: kind of light color, that shit flushes me out.

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Speaker 3: So you have to speak up. Some people are scared

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Speaker 3: to speak up.

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Speaker 4: Because again, we in this this industry that's like, oh, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, she's how I have to work with whatever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm difficult, Yeah, because I'm fucking Leslie Jones and

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Speaker 4: I This is what people need to understand in this business.

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Speaker 3: You are a business, that's right. You are a freelancer.

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Speaker 4: When people ask you to work for them, that means

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Speaker 4: that you are letting them have your services for a

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Speaker 4: certain amount of time.

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Speaker 3: In other words, if.

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Speaker 4: I have some tractors and you had a feel you

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Speaker 4: are renting my tractors and you're using them to do

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Speaker 4: your field. But mother, those are my tractors, and you

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Speaker 4: know what you're not gonna do. You're not gonna mistrade

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Speaker 4: and mistreat my tractors either. You're gonna take care of them.

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Speaker 4: And if you suck up my tractors, you're gonna pay

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Speaker 4: for them. Do you get what I'm saying. So when

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Speaker 4: you go on set and you see that, man, I

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Speaker 4: say it straight up. I already know when somebody can't

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Speaker 4: do my makeup. As soon as they go to reach

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Speaker 4: for a rush, I'll be like, you don't know what

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Speaker 4: you're doing. I call my girl, you got you gotta

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Speaker 4: you gotta force them to do it, because most people

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Speaker 4: don't and they get away with it. But if you

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Speaker 4: say something, they can do something. I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 4: at least when I do it. I don't know about

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Speaker 4: everybody else, but when I speak up, oh I have

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Speaker 4: nappy hair. She can't do my hair. So I have

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Speaker 4: a glam team and we bro What I do is

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Speaker 4: I bring my glam team in and they're good at

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Speaker 4: what they do, and they be good at what they do,

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Speaker 4: and then those people go, oh wow, yeah this works better,

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, she looks great.

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Speaker 3: Do you get what I'm saying?

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Speaker 5: So you have to I hear you saying, Leslie like

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Speaker 5: you si down to the glam and we love you

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Speaker 5: for it. Dad supports black businesses. I'm sure, Andrew, who

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Speaker 5: is the real fam?

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Speaker 3: You for the no?

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Speaker 6: I'm just sorry, you know, I'm loving that you you

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Speaker 6: broke it down like that, and more importantly, I'm loving

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Speaker 6: you calling out the fact that your talent is a

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Speaker 6: business what you bring to the table. As Jay Z says,

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Speaker 6: I'm a business man, and I wonder for you, Leslie,

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Speaker 6: as you have increasingly become I don't know if it's

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Speaker 6: become of you always been outspoken, because you know, I

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Speaker 6: see you through the television screen and the movie theaters.

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Speaker 6: But I'm wondering, as you speak up and speak out

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Speaker 6: in Hollywood, does it cost you? Yeah, because I think

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Speaker 6: you were getting at this. People don't want to be

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Speaker 6: put in discomfort. They don't want to be inconvenience, which

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Speaker 6: is why we're not choosing to boycott certain industries because

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Speaker 6: that would hit too close to home. Talk a moment,

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Speaker 6: just about the fact that you're risking something if you

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Speaker 6: are well, every time you choose to step in the gap.

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Speaker 3: I'd rather risk that than my the way. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm older now.

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Speaker 4: Maybe in my twenties and thirties, you know I would

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Speaker 4: this done because I'm trying to be in the hustle.

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Speaker 4: But at the older I get, the more I think

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Speaker 4: about my parents, more I think about my grandmother. The

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Speaker 4: as getting older, I just become so into me being

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Speaker 4: started growing my I just didn't realize how beautiful black

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Speaker 4: women really are until you really, like after SNL, I

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Speaker 4: dug deep into like a black woman's soul, and it's

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Speaker 4: so it was always there, you know, it was always there.

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Speaker 4: So whenever I'm choosing stuff now, it don't be like

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Speaker 4: I'm making a choice. It's just like, yo, this is

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Speaker 4: what's happening, Like no that I can't do this because

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Speaker 4: But the good thing that I'm noticing is that the

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Speaker 4: people who do know that I'm good, and the people

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Speaker 4: to come back around it at because I'm good at

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Speaker 4: what I do. That's why I have to be super

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Speaker 4: So that's why we tell everybody have some foundation behind

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Speaker 4: your you know, don't don't be the pig with the

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Speaker 4: stick house, be the pig with the bricks.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, So and be able to

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Speaker 3: make more bricks, you know, yeah, so yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Do break went up.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: All we're talking about the price right, right.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that we're also talking.

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Speaker 1: About this boycott, right, A lot of things the boycott,

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Speaker 1: And I think as this administration continues to show chaos

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Speaker 1: as they fund some of these really dacronian initiatives, and

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Speaker 1: who knows what else is coming down the pike. But

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Speaker 2: What is working to find? What can they see you in?

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Speaker 4: So was my special was supposed to be taped in

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Speaker 4: And then I told him, I said, so it wasn't

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Speaker 4: I was like so mad because I was like, why

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Speaker 6: How would you ease the soul, the mind, the heart

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Speaker 3: But I would tell young folks, which I which.

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Speaker 4: It is just like try to enjoy every stage of

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Speaker 4: Like there's so many moments in there where you know

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Speaker 3: That's just it. That's a word.

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Speaker 2: You made me think of something.

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Speaker 1: Andrew. This is gonna be our last question because I

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Speaker 2: I can't do it.

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Speaker 1: But when you're in those spaces, Leslie as the soul

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Speaker 1: And maybe they voted right, but they grandma voted for Trump,

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: No, girl, girl, do you know how much trouble I

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Speaker 4: used to get into. I used to get into so

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Speaker 3: What you mean by that?

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Speaker 4: Like I don't I don't give about calling the bitch

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Speaker 4: out because like you, you can't fight me.

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Speaker 3: So let's let's go like what did you mean by that?

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Speaker 3: But what did you mean by that? But what did

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Speaker 4: But like no, And then a lot of white women

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Speaker 4: I love when they say, well, I don't see color,

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Speaker 4: and I'd be like, yes, you do, bitch, I said,

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Speaker 4: you see colors because your outfit is.

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Speaker 3: Coordinated, right, And let me tell you something.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna see my color, bitch, because I'm a beautiful

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Speaker 3: Colors, then we have a mothering problem them.

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Speaker 4: So you gotta check them, like the there's club owners

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Speaker 3: You gotta check them. You're wrong, You're freaking wrong. You're

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Speaker 3: because I'm not. I don't do this. I don't. You

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Speaker 4: You don't get to have me, and then tell me

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Speaker 3: The same pay as you.

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Speaker 4: No, the fing pay is the motherfucking pay.

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Speaker 4: And and so I get in trouble all the time, son,

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Speaker 4: trust I get in trouble all the time because and oh,

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Speaker 3: Because let me tell you something about white men. And

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna say this, and I'm gonna be dumb,

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Speaker 4: but I know every black woman will feel this. You

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Speaker 3: They was on the tit of our ancestors. We raised it.

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Speaker 3: We're their discipline when we talk to a white man.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever just really honestly talked to a white

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Speaker 3: Because because they know we're right. We we we your mammy,

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Speaker 3: I took a switch to.

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Speaker 4: Your great granddaddy, like real talk, like there's that connection there,

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Speaker 4: It really is.

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Speaker 3: And and I think that's.

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Speaker 4: Their biggest fear is that if we get in control,

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Speaker 4: But we we don't feel that way. We are nurturing race.

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Speaker 4: And this is another thing. We don't want to erase them.

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Speaker 4: They want to erase us. That's the problem. We we

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Speaker 4: know you want to survive. Go ahead and survive, but leave.

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Speaker 2: Us alone, right, leave us alone? Well, show.

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Speaker 3: You coordinated?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you leslie.

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Speaker 1: We so appreciate you doing an.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: No we appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 6: I think we got our marching orders, y'all. By the

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Speaker 6: March Will Break.

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