Speaker 1: I wouldn't go back in time and change a thing
Speaker 1: because I think that I keep that with me as
Speaker 1: a fuel of source. And I'm happy that kind of
Speaker 1: happened to me because it made my skin thicker.
Speaker 2: Welcome to episode four oh six with Warren Ziders Mike.
Speaker 2: After we finished this interview, my trainer who comes over
Speaker 2: to the house, Kevin Klug, he saw Warren walk out.
Speaker 2: Warren's pretty big dude, big dude, you know, former athlete.
Speaker 3: Played what's that support?
Speaker 2: They throw the lacrosse? Okay, yes, lacrosse and not cokay, yes.
Speaker 2: So he was like, was that Warren Zeyders? I said yeah,
Speaker 2: And what he knew of Warren Zeider's was he said, Oh,
Speaker 2: he's the guy that figured out the algorithm.
Speaker 3: And I said, what do you mean? He said, I
Speaker 3: watched some of his stuff online.
Speaker 2: I like it, but he's known because he figured it out,
Speaker 2: Like he was smart enough to know how to use
Speaker 2: TikTok and not only be real good, but implement like
Speaker 2: the perfect strategy to blow up pack the system. And
Speaker 2: I s really goes, yeah, so what do you what
Speaker 2: do you know about the because I don't know. That's what
Speaker 2: everybody says, like he's the one that figured it out.
Speaker 2: So did you know I didn't know that. I didn't
Speaker 2: know that now. Yeah, So I liked warn not really
Speaker 2: what I expected, but in the best way because his
Speaker 2: pictures he looks, I don't know, like he would brand uts.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought he was gonna come in like spit on
Speaker 3: the floor, yea, throw some things.
Speaker 2: Around, really warm, really nice guy. I mean he left
Speaker 2: and I was like, dang, I like that dude. So Warrensiders,
Speaker 2: let's tell you a little bit about him. His debut album,
Speaker 2: Pretty Little Poison, comes out eight twenty five. Let me
Speaker 2: do a finger Jani March, April, May, Junejuly August twenty fifth.
Speaker 2: Got it. So the sampler is already out, and here's
Speaker 2: a little clip of Pretty Little Poison for more Inxiders
Speaker 2: right now. Geez MOBOs Ride the Lightning became a big hit,
Speaker 2: kind of against social media.
Speaker 3: Here's a clip of that one.
Speaker 2: Because when the.
Speaker 1: Class tracks Mann don't alrad.
Speaker 2: On tour through November fifteen to go to Warren Ziders
Speaker 2: dot com, z I D E r s dot com.
Speaker 3: He's out with a thousand horses. He's twenty four. I
Speaker 3: thought he was a little older, young guy. Yeah, just
Speaker 3: a kid from Hershey, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: Music, as he talks about, was not a massive part
Speaker 2: of his household. You know, he's saying in church like
Speaker 2: a lot of other artists, and played sports and then
Speaker 2: I mean he had some real some real injury type
Speaker 2: stuff like there's broken arms and legs, and then there's
Speaker 2: head injuries like brain stuff, and so he got you know,
Speaker 2: pretty dicey with him.
Speaker 3: But here he is.
Speaker 2: Follow him on Instagram and TikTok at warren Zeider's z
Speaker 2: E I D E r s and here he is
Speaker 2: our time with Warren Zeiders. Nice watch you got there?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 1: That new No, it's actually not it's a probably fifteen
Speaker 1: years old.
Speaker 2: It was my dad's. I'm assuming it. It's from here.
Speaker 2: It looks like a Rolex real legs yep. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: mean I only recently started to get them because I've
Speaker 2: only recently started to make good money, and I always
Speaker 2: just saw them on TV. So I thought, one day,
Speaker 2: when I start to make it, I'm gonna get one.
Speaker 2: I got like seven now and I gotta stop. But
Speaker 2: now I see them. It's like when you have a
Speaker 2: car and let's say you buy a you know, on
Speaker 2: a cord. Yeah, and all of a sudden, you're like, god, damn,
Speaker 2: there's so many accords on the road. As soon as
Speaker 2: you walked in, I was like, I didn't even see
Speaker 2: I just saw a Rolex walk in, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: a Rolex just floated in the room. So and I'm
Speaker 2: not liking it. Like Luke Combs is like a big
Speaker 2: watch guy too, and so he's do you know much
Speaker 2: about watches? Because I don't. I don't either.
Speaker 1: Like I said, this was my dad's and it was
Speaker 1: actually a gift to me.
Speaker 2: It looks good, it's solid. I've had a lot of
Speaker 2: people trying to buy it, but I'll write a number down.
Speaker 2: You tell me if it's good enough to buy it
Speaker 2: from me.
Speaker 1: No, I think there's something I'll hold on to and
Speaker 1: give to my son once too. But it was supposed
Speaker 1: to be a gift for me when I graduated college.
Speaker 1: But I didn't graduate college. I signed a record deal instead.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, do I still get
Speaker 1: the role x?
Speaker 2: That's funny. You know, you're a lot smilier than I
Speaker 2: thought you'd be. I've heard that before, like not that
Speaker 2: it's good or bad, but hearing your music, seeing press
Speaker 2: seeing press pictures of you like this here. You look
Speaker 2: like a freaking cowboy that's gonna kick me in the
Speaker 2: balls if I say a cross word about you or
Speaker 2: your mama.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: Instead, you're still that dude and you're ripped and you're
Speaker 2: a good looking dude. But it's like your friendly as crap. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like to think I'm I think pretty friendly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm surprised, not that you're friendly, but you're just very happy.
Speaker 2: I like it you. I assume you're grinding pretty hard
Speaker 2: right now, just traveling playing shows.
Speaker 1: Give me your last seventy two hours, last seventy two hours. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're on Let's day, Monday now, Yeah, I lean
Speaker 1: up the roo.
Speaker 2: Yep, my bad. We're on Monday now, so you already
Speaker 2: know he's going hard if he has to go. Okay,
Speaker 2: we're on Monday. Okay, Yeah, I have the same thing sometimes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's weird now CMA week.
Speaker 1: It's my first one, first time ever being there as
Speaker 1: a fan either, So that was weird being in town
Speaker 1: having shows, not being out of Nashville and.
Speaker 2: Bobin and Weavin.
Speaker 1: But between I played Riverfront on Thursday and then I
Speaker 1: did Spotify House and then after that got on the
Speaker 1: bus that night, went to Iowa, played at the festival,
Speaker 1: got to go out on stage for the first time
Speaker 1: with Jelly Roll.
Speaker 2: Super sweetheart of a human being.
Speaker 1: Him and I had just recently met at the softball game,
Speaker 1: the charity softball game, and he came up to me
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, man, like I'm more insiders,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I know who you are and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I didn't know that, So super nice dude.
Speaker 1: Then did that and then got in yesterday morning, and
Speaker 1: then I just did something for the Highway yesterday as well,
Speaker 1: and then was doing stuff last night with my tour
Speaker 1: manager who's also my best friend.
Speaker 2: And then now here we are. How many of those
Speaker 2: you say your tour manager is your best friend? Yeah,
Speaker 2: how many of those people from home or like your
Speaker 2: ould school friends do you kind of have in your
Speaker 2: crew somewhat?
Speaker 1: So actually shout out to Jared. He just drove me
Speaker 1: and dropped me off. My tour manager. He was actually
Speaker 1: working for my mom, and he did not like his job.
Speaker 1: He was an accountant, wasn't his thing. Didn't like being
Speaker 1: at a desk and whatnot. So I pulled him out
Speaker 1: of that he didn't have any background in this whole thing.
Speaker 2: Neither did I. But here we are.
Speaker 1: We're doing pretty well so far. But I brought him
Speaker 1: out of that and brought them on the road with me.
Speaker 1: And it's nice having somebody from back home that I
Speaker 1: not only that I trust, but someone that I know
Speaker 1: has my back and loves me.
Speaker 2: That's been a big priority for me through my career too.
Speaker 2: Like Mike here was an intern for me. Way he
Speaker 2: runs the show now, Yeah, he's my voice as much
Speaker 2: as I am. But like my co hosts on my
Speaker 2: radio show were all people that never worked in radio yep,
Speaker 2: but that they made me feel good and made me
Speaker 2: perform better because I felt good, and then they got
Speaker 2: really good at their jobs in the meantime. And it's
Speaker 2: just worked out and been pretty amazing that I've been
Speaker 2: able to do that because it was all for me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's for them too. It really was for
Speaker 2: me because they made me feel good, comfortable and safe,
Speaker 2: and so that actually elevated me and it gave me
Speaker 2: the freedom elevate myself. And I kind of feel like
Speaker 2: that's happening with you here too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think as long as you're comfortable in doing what
Speaker 1: you're doing, You're going to flourish, and I think that
Speaker 1: that was the mindset behind it.
Speaker 2: And my parents are also very heavily involved.
Speaker 1: I was raised in a family with businesses, and my
Speaker 1: parents are both business acumen and my mom was a CFO.
Speaker 1: My dad did investments for years and he's been in
Speaker 1: cars car sales and ran dealerships for the past ten
Speaker 1: to fifteen years as well. So they're heavily involved in
Speaker 1: just helping me and helping me flourish and just have
Speaker 1: my back, which is really fortunate to have that.
Speaker 2: Are they involved in or do they look at the numbers? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 2: my mom's actually my business manager. Okay, now we're talking. YEP.
Speaker 2: I struggled with hiring a business manager because again I
Speaker 2: come from a very humble upbringing where I didn't know
Speaker 2: you just went to the mill to work, yep. And
Speaker 2: so I was like, wait, I got to pay somebody
Speaker 2: five percent depending on I was like, I don't, I
Speaker 2: don't understand. First of all, they're going to look at
Speaker 2: it everything I make, and then I got to pay somebody.
Speaker 2: But then what had happened? And I think you're seeing
Speaker 2: this and you have been for a bit now is
Speaker 2: that I'm paying percentages to people.
Speaker 3: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: So I got agents ten percent, I got managed at
Speaker 2: fifteen percent. I got to pay the ban when I
Speaker 2: was I got and I'm like, oh my god, I'll pay.
Speaker 2: I'll pay my bmen or ten percent, whoever it is.
Speaker 2: So it was weird for me to hire someone because
Speaker 2: you have to really trust them, and I have that person.
Speaker 2: But if it's your mom, I feel like I would.
Speaker 2: I'd be pretty trusting if as my mom too, especially
Speaker 2: if she has again the business acumen that you talk about.
Speaker 1: Yep yep CPAs she likes to say to me, she's overqualified.
Speaker 2: But she takes great care of me.
Speaker 1: And there's no one else I would trust in the
Speaker 1: world to look over my finances and.
Speaker 2: Just have my back. Where do you live now? I'm
Speaker 2: actually down here now, So Nashville's home. How long has
Speaker 2: it been home?
Speaker 1: I feel like it's been probably nine months to a year.
Speaker 2: That's it, huh.
Speaker 1: But by the time I got down here, you know,
Speaker 1: I joke about it. People are like, you live down
Speaker 1: here now? I'm like, well, I moved down here in
Speaker 1: time to start touring so that I'm never around. But
Speaker 1: it's been great. To me, I'm in and out, you know, writing,
Speaker 1: touring management. Everyone likes to keep me busy and I
Speaker 1: like to be busy.
Speaker 2: So it's been good whenever you do things like CMA
Speaker 2: Week and it's consistent, you're going from event to event
Speaker 2: or event to show. Are you feeling we'll call it love.
Speaker 2: Are you feeling love consistently now for your music and
Speaker 2: who you are? I think so.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, you joked around when I
Speaker 1: first walked in here and you were like, I thought
Speaker 1: you were going to be like this, And I think
Speaker 1: that I have that part of me that's inside of me,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of from my sports background and everything,
Speaker 1: and you know, I get that from my dad. I
Speaker 1: always like to say my Dad's we're both lovers until
Speaker 1: we don't have to be, and we're both teddy bears.
Speaker 2: But you know, I have.
Speaker 1: An edge to who I am and that's definitely a
Speaker 1: part of my brand and you know what I am
Speaker 1: on stage. But I've I've definitely felt the love. I
Speaker 1: think this week was such a success. I didn't know
Speaker 1: what to expect with CMA Fest and getting out there
Speaker 1: and whether is this a good time.
Speaker 2: Slaughter or whatever it is?
Speaker 1: But to see, you know, the pockets of people screaming
Speaker 1: word for word and making new fans. It definitely felt
Speaker 1: a successful week for me, and you know, integrating into
Speaker 1: the scene of Nashville.
Speaker 2: Why don't want people to get it twisted. You cant
Speaker 2: still rip my head off. I'm looking at your arms here.
Speaker 2: You can still rip my head off, and I think
Speaker 2: you would if I set a cross word. So when
Speaker 2: I say your friend like, you're like you could do
Speaker 2: all the things that I thought you could do, as
Speaker 2: far as like beat me up, break my back, whatever
Speaker 2: you needed to do. So don't take that as I'm
Speaker 2: calling you went Lauren, because you still got it. Man.
Speaker 2: Uh you played lacrosse, yep. Seems physical, like a physical score.
Speaker 1: I have seven concussions to account for it being physical.
Speaker 2: You just said that twice. Yeah, I did your concussions.
Speaker 2: I said it three times. You said, well, so tell
Speaker 2: me about lacrosse. I didn't grow up around lacrosse. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Most of my friends that live West Coast or up
Speaker 2: in the you know, northeastern part of the United States,
Speaker 2: they are they're introduced, and they play lacrosse more than
Speaker 2: people from the south. YEP. So talk to me about
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 1: The game man, the roots really are Actually it's actually
Speaker 1: Native American sport. And I don't know how much I
Speaker 1: have in my blood, but I do have some Native
Speaker 1: American in my I'm not just saying that, but from
Speaker 1: my I think it's my grandmother's side. But long story short,
Speaker 1: I always thought I was going to be a hockey player.
Speaker 2: For the longest time. I was obsessed with hockey. Did
Speaker 2: you played hockey?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Because my dad and I used to watch it all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: I grew up going to Hershey Bears games because I'm
Speaker 1: from Hershey and they were the farm team for.
Speaker 2: The Washington Capitals.
Speaker 1: So I was obsessed with hockey, loved rollerblading and all that,
Speaker 1: got into ice skating, the whole thing. But when I
Speaker 1: eventually moved to Hershey in fourth grade, I was introduced
Speaker 1: to sport of lacrosse. It was a it's a big
Speaker 1: thing up there around Maryland, Pennsylvania, New York, the whole
Speaker 1: whole shebang. And when I picked up lacrosse stick, it
Speaker 1: was kind of in that moment I realized, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is something cool, this is something I could see
Speaker 1: myself doing. And dude, after a year of playing it
Speaker 1: became my life, and I played all.
Speaker 2: Year, so there was did you like the contact? I did?
Speaker 1: I didn't mind the contact. I was actually kind of
Speaker 1: a smaller kid. I could never put on weight, and
Speaker 1: that was always something that kind of bothered me. But
Speaker 1: I was always super fast and agile, so I could
Speaker 1: get away from it.
Speaker 2: I like to think I'd get.
Speaker 1: Away from it, but it's having concussions doesn't really say
Speaker 1: I did get away from the contact. If now being
Speaker 1: twenty four and looking back, I definitely probably would.
Speaker 2: Have hit the weight room sooner.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't until after I kind of got to
Speaker 1: college where lifting became a huge thing for me because
Speaker 1: I went to college to play, but now lifting is
Speaker 1: everything to me. Working out is such a big pivotal
Speaker 1: part of my life.
Speaker 2: But twelve years man, were you pretty good high school
Speaker 2: player to play collegiate? Did you have scouts coming?
Speaker 1: Yep, college visits. I did the whole thing. And like
Speaker 1: I said, I was playing all year round. So springtime
Speaker 1: is school season for lacrosse, and so I played summer
Speaker 1: league ball.
Speaker 2: I was going to showcases, I was going to colleges.
Speaker 1: I was doing tournaments, same thing in the fall league
Speaker 1: and then winter league. We played in a dome and stuff,
Speaker 1: so I was always always playing.
Speaker 2: Where'd you play in college?
Speaker 1: I went to a school called Frostburg State University. It's
Speaker 1: in Maryland. I went to go play Division three and
Speaker 1: what I loved so much about it was unfortunately I
Speaker 1: didn't get to play very much because day two of practice.
Speaker 2: I got laid out by.
Speaker 1: A twenty four year old marine who was back from
Speaker 1: some years of service. And the way college athletics work,
Speaker 1: you know, you can have years of eligibility if you
Speaker 1: don't use them.
Speaker 2: There have been quarterbacks they've been twenty eight years old,
Speaker 2: I know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was coming off of a pick and
Speaker 1: I got blindsided and laid me out flat on my back,
Speaker 1: blacked out. Started season called an ambulance and I was
Speaker 1: out for months, and I was confined pretty much to
Speaker 1: a black room for months. What do you mean, like
Speaker 1: as in I wasn't able to play. I was missing
Speaker 1: Oh you were out of school and was missing classes,
Speaker 1: couldn't take exams like I couldn't think it was and
Speaker 1: I kind of.
Speaker 2: Went into a depression. Yeah, well I see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Because like there was you know, blue light
Speaker 1: the screens, like watching TV would give you headaches, you'd
Speaker 1: get sick, like it was a it was a pretty
Speaker 1: major concussion.
Speaker 2: Did you start to think that maybe it was never
Speaker 2: going to be right again? That definitely was a fear
Speaker 2: of mine.
Speaker 1: And I was spending a lot of weekends traveling back
Speaker 1: home to PA because we have Hershey Medical Center and
Speaker 1: the doctors there it took really good care of me,
Speaker 1: and just was like, hey, man, you've had a couple
Speaker 1: like minor concussions. This one's pretty major. If this happens again,
Speaker 1: like we're gonna have a different conversation. And surely enough,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm a dude that when I'm committed
Speaker 1: to something, I give everything I have. And now I
Speaker 1: get to say that I do this for country music
Speaker 1: and I love what I do. But when it came
Speaker 1: to Lacrosse and I had those months off and I
Speaker 1: had some time to reflect, I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: you know the saying, you know, get knocked down, it's
Speaker 1: up to you to get back up. So when it
Speaker 1: came to winter break, you know, friends were out partying
Speaker 1: and drinking and stuff, but me, I was spending two
Speaker 1: a day and I was focused on taking care of
Speaker 1: my health and getting back on that field, spring comes
Speaker 1: around and get back to school surely enough. I think
Speaker 1: it was God's way of saying, this isn't for you anymore.
Speaker 1: And I had another concussion.
Speaker 2: Wait you went back? Yeah, after all that, you went back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like there's committed yep, and then there's are you sure? Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you go back. And my experience with friends, I've
Speaker 2: had some head issues, but never significant like yours. Some
Speaker 2: of my friends who've played professional sports talk about how
Speaker 2: if they've been hit and had a concussion or two,
Speaker 2: sometimes the lightest thing can cause a concussion. Afterward, it's
Speaker 2: almost like you've been exposed, so it's easier to be
Speaker 2: exposed to again. Is that what happened this time?
Speaker 1: It was it was the moment where when I went
Speaker 1: back for the spring season and I got hit, it
Speaker 1: was like I didn't even have to think about it.
Speaker 1: I got up from the hit and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm jacked up. I just know really yeah, I just
Speaker 1: knew in my heart the way my neck snapped way
Speaker 1: hit the ground. I was like, that's it and threw
Speaker 1: my helmet off, and I just it was just that
Speaker 1: moment of you do something for so long it becomes
Speaker 1: a part of who you are becomes a part of
Speaker 1: your identity. Yeah, that's what I was known as the
Speaker 1: student athlete, the you know, the lacrosse player, and giving
Speaker 1: that up was, you know, kind of an identity crisis
Speaker 1: for a little bit. I was like, what am I
Speaker 1: going to do with my time now? This was everything
Speaker 1: to me. And then you know, here we are now here, we.
Speaker 2: Are here, we are now do you And the last
Speaker 2: question sports wise, because I'm a massive sports guy sports
Speaker 2: show myself, but do you follow NFL at all? I
Speaker 2: do not as close as the closely as I once did.
Speaker 2: Why was there just was two? I had all the
Speaker 2: concussions in Miami, and you know, he's out for a
Speaker 2: long time, comes back and it's another one. And he
Speaker 2: said in the off season he debated retirement. He's not
Speaker 2: going to retire. It just seems similar like he's also
Speaker 2: a very intelligent sounding, just a sound guy. And he's like,
Speaker 2: you know, I had all these you guys just remind
Speaker 2: me of each other when you talk about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And he's had them happen him over and over again.
Speaker 2: And when you're like, you know, when that got hit again,
Speaker 2: there was another one. I feel like that happened to
Speaker 2: him last year, Like he just went back out boom,
Speaker 2: got another one, Like, how how long until you go?
Speaker 2: All right? For the sake of my family and for
Speaker 2: the rest of my career in whatever else, I'm going
Speaker 2: to stop playing ball. I wonder if that's going to
Speaker 2: happen to him. Yeah, that was all. It was just
Speaker 2: the parallels there between you two.
Speaker 1: No, for sure, and like that was a tough part
Speaker 1: for me to like come to grips with giving that up,
Speaker 1: because you know, not only was it me giving it up,
Speaker 1: it was my parents, like their time, their energy, traveling
Speaker 1: to tournaments with me, Sley've invested for sure, sleeping in
Speaker 1: the hotels, leaving work early, getting me to practice on time.
Speaker 2: Like what do they tell you when you're Did you
Speaker 2: have the conversation with them like I'm thinking about doing
Speaker 2: this or did you just tell him you're doing it?
Speaker 1: So I was the conversation was open after the uh,
Speaker 1: after the first severe one I had my freshman year
Speaker 1: before I even had the second one, And you know,
Speaker 1: it was surprising to see their reactions. My dad was
Speaker 1: pretty supportive, but you know, he's comes from.
Speaker 2: The age of rub some dirt on it. Go back in, yeah,
Speaker 2: back in.
Speaker 1: And you know, my dad's my dad's form of getting
Speaker 1: better from being sick is going to the gym. And
Speaker 1: that's what I've always done, even if I'm hat a sniffles,
Speaker 1: like go work out.
Speaker 2: Although it may not make you feel better.
Speaker 1: Long term, you'll feel better for the day because you
Speaker 1: went and got a sweat in.
Speaker 2: But it was weird.
Speaker 1: To see how much my mom held on too, just
Speaker 1: what it was for me and come into the games
Speaker 1: and rooting for me, And I think that they were
Speaker 1: fearful of losing that part of their lives too. Now
Speaker 1: they get to come cross and maybe the relationship that's
Speaker 1: built in.
Speaker 2: They get to come and support you, and there is
Speaker 2: a an avenue for them to be with you without
Speaker 2: having to go, hey, let's just hang out, and you
Speaker 2: do hang out, but yeah, that's it's definitely part of
Speaker 2: the relationship. And now they get to come to concerts
Speaker 2: all right, Now they get to come to shows. It's
Speaker 2: all different. Now my mom gets some manage my money
Speaker 2: and they get to watch and se how much money
Speaker 2: you're spending too. With mine. I'll call and be like, hey,
Speaker 2: can I get this. You'll have those calls soon. And
Speaker 2: sometimes you'll call and go, did you just buy this?
Speaker 2: And it's not my mom, but I'm like, uh, I forgot.
Speaker 2: You can see everything. I'm lying. But yeah, now your
Speaker 2: mom's going to be be doing making those calls.
Speaker 1: I'm actually really glad because she's kept me, you know, nice,
Speaker 1: and you know, on straight and narrow, and you know,
Speaker 1: the money that I've spent has been nothing, but you know,
Speaker 1: good resources investing in real estate and everything, and you know,
Speaker 1: good assets.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's guys like you that I really hate
Speaker 2: because you're a great athlete and now you're killing it music.
Speaker 2: It's like you have all the talents that I never had.
Speaker 2: It's like God was looking up and he was like, okay,
Speaker 2: let's equally put out all these talents. And he like
Speaker 2: stumbled and fell and like threw some of you guys
Speaker 2: all of it and it went right over my head.
Speaker 2: And so I say that and I'm completely serious. But
Speaker 2: other than that, here you are. Now you're killing it musically.
Speaker 2: So when did music start for you? In a way
Speaker 2: of Hey, I think if I invest my time into
Speaker 2: this like I did. It could be athletics, it could
Speaker 2: be school. Whatever it is, I think I can well
Speaker 2: at least have a shot to have a shot. When
Speaker 2: did that start to happen?
Speaker 1: So the short version of was music was always a
Speaker 1: part of my life, but it was never something that
Speaker 1: I invested heavily, right too, because it was always athletics.
Speaker 2: Did you sing though, young?
Speaker 1: I did, but it was never I was never in
Speaker 1: a band. I was never in the church choir, you know.
Speaker 2: I was neighbor plays. Did you ever sing on do
Speaker 2: a show? Publicly? Didn't even know you could sing? Family, Family,
Speaker 2: and friends.
Speaker 1: I was the dude, Hey Warren, go grab your guitar
Speaker 1: and play around the bonfire, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I took a couple of lessons in middle school, but
Speaker 1: I was always so focused on sports that I never
Speaker 1: put the time and energy into the learning, you know,
Speaker 1: the proper technique whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: Whenever I wanted to learn something, I just go to YouTube.
Speaker 2: I look at the courts sweat equity itself. Yeah right,
Speaker 2: you don't have the time for that because you're put
Speaker 2: it in something else. Yep.
Speaker 1: So the frame of mind was when COVID hit and
Speaker 1: I'm an extrovert. I gotta be doing something. I just
Speaker 1: gave up lacrosse. Now I'm back home. I transferred schools.
Speaker 1: I'm living under mom and Dad's roof again. We're confined
Speaker 1: to the walls of our home. I'm like, I'm going nuts.
Speaker 1: And so my outlet was hop on social media, and
Speaker 1: you know, while I'm in between taking classes and you know,
Speaker 1: online zooms, I'm just going to start posting videos and
Speaker 1: myself for fun of just singing songs that I like
Speaker 1: and stuff that I'm listening to right now. First one
Speaker 1: I put out on TikTok and Instagram was a cover
Speaker 1: of Tennessee Whiskey, and people were like, who's this dude?
Speaker 1: Like this is cool? Wake up the next morning It's
Speaker 1: got three hundred thousand views. I'm like, what, Like that
Speaker 1: was so big to me from first video posting on
Speaker 1: social media of me singing, like, that's a pretty big number.
Speaker 2: Were you shy to sing, let's say five years ago,
Speaker 2: ten years ago, even you knew you could do it
Speaker 2: a little bit? And they said Warren was the guy
Speaker 2: with a guitar. Were you also the guy? We're like, yes,
Speaker 2: you're all sing or were we like I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think you know.
Speaker 1: Actually I'm glad you bring that up because I haven't
Speaker 1: really touched on this much in interviews.
Speaker 2: But I was actually bullied. I was.
Speaker 1: I was an athlete, and in middle school I always
Speaker 1: loved to sing, didn't matter whether if it was country,
Speaker 1: whether it was rock, justin Bieber Christian music, whatever it was,
Speaker 1: there was a song that I was connected to. I
Speaker 1: just was humming it in the car, I was humming
Speaker 1: it on the lacrosse field. I was always singing something.
Speaker 1: But in middle school there was these two girls that
Speaker 1: I had a crush on, and we got a Christmas party,
Speaker 1: had a guitar, and they wanted me to sing. Hadn't
Speaker 1: hit Puper deal yet, so voice sounded a certain way
Speaker 1: and they videoed it, and surely enough it lived on
Speaker 1: YouTube for years and years. So I got to high
Speaker 1: school after three years of middle school of being berated.
Speaker 2: About this video. Why we're making fun of you for
Speaker 2: the video? I think it was because of maybe the
Speaker 2: way I sounded jealousy though, could you sing yeah? Like
Speaker 2: there are people that sound terrible that don't get made
Speaker 2: fun of. And this is my point, Yeah, if you
Speaker 2: just sounded bad, I don't think anybody's gonna saything to
Speaker 2: you because most people sound bad. Yeah, so it must
Speaker 2: be in a way a sense of jealousy, because why
Speaker 2: would you pick on somebody who just sounded bad unless
Speaker 2: you're picking on somebody who sounds pretty good and you're
Speaker 2: a little jealous that you don't have some sort of talent.
Speaker 2: I got the crap beat out of me as a kid,
Speaker 2: So like when you say that stuff, yeah, I go, huh,
Speaker 2: let's evaluate and really get it in the So you
Speaker 2: sounded weird, but could you hold a tune? Could you
Speaker 2: stay likecky? Oh? Yeah, so they're jealous of you anyway?
Speaker 2: Go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think that that was a part of it,
Speaker 1: and I think that's like what my parents kind of
Speaker 1: taught me to. And you know, I I wouldn't go
Speaker 1: back in time and change a thing because I think
Speaker 1: that I keep that with me as a fuel of source.
Speaker 1: And I'm happy that kind of happened to me because
Speaker 1: it made my skin thicker. How would they bully well,
Speaker 1: I think honestly, dude, I'd be in class and we'd
Speaker 1: have a school project and these kids would put it,
Speaker 1: put the video in their project and play it in
Speaker 1: front of everybody, and it was like a thing that
Speaker 1: they were yeah at any at any turn they could
Speaker 1: get and it kind of, you know, pushed me away
Speaker 1: from the whole music thing and probably pushed me away
Speaker 1: from putting stuff on social media years and years ago.
Speaker 1: And then it really got bad when I got to
Speaker 1: high school and it was my first day as a
Speaker 1: freshman for lacrosse tryouts as a freshman, and we were
Speaker 1: getting ready to do workouts, and surely enough they put
Speaker 1: the video on the speakers, over the loud speakers. The
Speaker 1: same kids, no older kids, because kids in my class
Speaker 1: told their older brothers on the team got about this video,
Speaker 1: and surely enough, again try to get into my skin,
Speaker 1: try to get in my psyche, the whole thing.
Speaker 2: And it was kind of like at every turn, man.
Speaker 1: Whether it was a school project, whether it was over
Speaker 1: the speakers, whether it was on the bus after a game,
Speaker 1: trying to play the video. Like I think the kids
Speaker 1: just tried to find an angle to come at me.
Speaker 1: I like to think I'm a pretty, you know, decent dude.
Speaker 1: I like to think I'm decent looking, you know, I
Speaker 1: have a charm to me. I hold myself a certain way,
Speaker 1: but I think that they tried to find a weak
Speaker 1: point in you know, on my side, and figure out
Speaker 1: if they could get to me.
Speaker 2: But again, I look.
Speaker 1: Back and I'm happy it happened because it makes all
Speaker 1: of this that much better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, why didn't you go to the girls? But
Speaker 2: I take the freaking video down. So I tried to.
Speaker 1: I did for the long time, and they were like,
Speaker 1: we don't remember the past word we did this. You know,
Speaker 1: you try to file a thing on it, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: this isn't me.
Speaker 2: Try to take it down and it just nothing. I
Speaker 2: hate that. I hate dad to go through that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did suck, but you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: it happened for a reason, and life goes on.
Speaker 2: And they're eating it right now because you're killing it.
Speaker 2: They're eating it like play. Next time you go home,
Speaker 2: you put the video up.
Speaker 1: Well, so it's funny you bring that up. My mom,
Speaker 1: she took it much more to heart than I did.
Speaker 1: I never had those parents, and I was never that
Speaker 1: dude who was like, I'm gonna get my mom and
Speaker 1: dad involved. I was like, I'll handle my own stuff.
Speaker 1: I'll take care of it. It's fine. I'm focused on lacrosse,
Speaker 1: and I think that that was a big thing too
Speaker 1: that bothered them that I never let them see me sweat.
Speaker 1: My dad always said that, and I was just I
Speaker 1: was a pretty good lacrosse player too, so I think
Speaker 1: that that didn't help that I was getting playtime over
Speaker 1: some older.
Speaker 2: Kids as a sophomore.
Speaker 1: You're in as a freshman, so like also, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, So like they anything you can find.
Speaker 2: I'd be playing your video too if I was a
Speaker 2: senior in your.
Speaker 1: Trying to find someone's weak point. But like you said,
Speaker 1: it makes it that much sweeter. But my mom said,
Speaker 1: when you come back to Hershey and you play the
Speaker 1: Hershey Park Stadium, I think we should put that video
Speaker 1: completely agree up on the video walls.
Speaker 2: Not only for you, but for all the other es
Speaker 2: that are ten fifteen years younger than you that are
Speaker 2: there watching it that night. Because again, as someone who
Speaker 2: got bullied a lot, I got the crap beat out
Speaker 2: of me constantly. I just kind of felt like I
Speaker 2: was alone. But you get older and you realize that
Speaker 2: a lot of people are going through it, but nobody
Speaker 2: really talks about it, so everybody feels like they're doing
Speaker 2: it by themselves. Yeah, yeah, I'm on your mom's side.
Speaker 2: I think it's a great testament. I'm sorry I had
Speaker 2: to go through that, And you know, the sweetness of
Speaker 2: it is that, hey, look at me, I'm successful. The
Speaker 2: sweetness is that you've been able to go through that
Speaker 2: and you have the most valuable possible thing, which is
Speaker 2: empathy for that situation and perspective. Yeah, and you can't
Speaker 2: get those two things unless you've gone through that thing.
Speaker 2: And so for that, like, I hate it happened, but
Speaker 2: you made it through it, and now you can make
Speaker 2: sure it doesn't happen for other people. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think that you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 1: And it definitely did push me away from pursuing that
Speaker 1: for the longest time. It was until really you know,
Speaker 1: COVID and that whole thing and I got on social media.
Speaker 1: But there was one more moment where when I went
Speaker 1: to college, I brought my guitar with me and I
Speaker 1: was kind of like, you know, against bringing it because
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, now I'm going to go to
Speaker 1: college and I don't want to put up with the
Speaker 1: same My mom was like, just bring it along. You know,
Speaker 1: the chicks will love it. So I bring it, right
Speaker 1: so I bring it along and I was playing in
Speaker 1: my dorm room and it was super nice because the
Speaker 1: I lived with seven other lacrosse players in a quad,
Speaker 1: and they were like, their way of saying you're good was, dude,
Speaker 1: you're actually not bad like you actually said.
Speaker 2: It's not yet exactly. You don't suck as bad as
Speaker 2: I thought you would. Exactly. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: And so then I was their little their little party
Speaker 1: trick whenever we had, you know, women involved.
Speaker 2: And stuff hanging out with us.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was small, little moments like that, And
Speaker 1: I think that the Good Lord was always putting seedlings
Speaker 1: out there for me. That music was something on my
Speaker 1: heart that it was going to be something that I
Speaker 1: would eventually do.
Speaker 2: So were you nervous, because I would have been the
Speaker 2: very first time I'm recording myself to put it out
Speaker 2: there republic, I'd have been like ooh, PTSD, almost like
Speaker 2: I I'm gonna because you're playing, that's great. Heckmit's phone
Speaker 2: would have come out whas playing. I'd be like, put
Speaker 2: your phone down. I don't want to. I would feel
Speaker 2: that just in me. So if you're posting a video
Speaker 2: of yourself singing, I would think that would kind of
Speaker 2: come into play.
Speaker 1: It definitely did, and I think that, you know, my
Speaker 1: brain wanted to play tricks on me, and you're overthinking it,
Speaker 1: overthinking it.
Speaker 2: Like am I really going to post this? Am I
Speaker 2: really going to put myself back out there?
Speaker 1: But it was one of those things where you know, post,
Speaker 1: don't even look at it, don't acknowledge it, put it away.
Speaker 1: And that when I said, when I woke up the
Speaker 1: next morning and I saw the reactions, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: like that's kind of cool, Like.
Speaker 2: There's people out there that might enjoy what I do.
Speaker 1: So then I took that And then it wasn't in
Speaker 1: that exact moment where I was like, this is something
Speaker 1: I'm going to do. It was just kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know what, that was cool. I'll continue to post
Speaker 1: videos on social media in the meantime. Wow, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: this will be my platform to start posting stuff for fun,
Speaker 1: taking classes whatever.
Speaker 2: Finished my junior year of college, Oh was the plan
Speaker 2: because music wasn't quite there yet, but athletics was over
Speaker 2: like that that purgatory, we'll call it purgatory. Yeah, well
Speaker 2: what was the plan? Then?
Speaker 1: Purgatory for me was just focusing on the books on school,
Speaker 1: and I think that at that time being I was
Speaker 1: actually working with my dad. I sold cars for two years,
Speaker 1: and sales has always been in my blood, from my
Speaker 1: grandfather to my dad to me.
Speaker 2: As my dad would like to say, shout out to
Speaker 2: Papa Bear.
Speaker 1: We can wheel and deal, and We've always been really
Speaker 1: good with just interact with people, and so I always
Speaker 1: thought maybe I'd get into some form of medical sales
Speaker 1: or something of that sorts just interacting with people. Now
Speaker 1: I'm in the position of interacting with people all the time,
Speaker 1: and now I get to sell my music and sell
Speaker 1: myself as a person. But that purgatory for me was
Speaker 1: focusing on mental health, focusing on physical health, and the
Speaker 1: gym became, you know, my safe place, and that's where
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of my time. After all those concussions,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I'm so sick of being small,
Speaker 1: whether it was now, when I develop a good body,
Speaker 1: I want to develop strength whatever, and kind of build
Speaker 1: up myself to be able to stand on my own
Speaker 1: two feet and feel good about myself. So that was
Speaker 1: kind of where I was at at that point in time,
Speaker 1: super focused on lifting. But then after starting to post
Speaker 1: those videos.
Speaker 2: What was the second song you posted?
Speaker 1: Ah, that's a good question. What was the second song?
Speaker 1: I know early on Chris Staples and was a lot.
Speaker 1: I was doing some whiskey Meyers, I was doing What
Speaker 1: else did I do? Broken Halo might have been the
Speaker 1: second one.
Speaker 6: What was the biggest early The biggest early one, the
Speaker 6: one where I was like, Okay, there might be something
Speaker 6: here was my version of Nose on the Grindstone by
Speaker 6: Taller Childers, and that had seventy eight hundred thousand views,
Speaker 6: and that was.
Speaker 1: Kind of like, Okay, this, this could be something cool
Speaker 1: to pursue. And at this time, in this duration of
Speaker 1: just sporadically posting here and there, there was no thought process.
Speaker 2: There was no watch you.
Speaker 1: And when I continued to do this and post the covers,
Speaker 1: there was people being like, what's your original music?
Speaker 2: What are you writing? And I was like, had you
Speaker 2: written any to know?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not a writer. I wasn't I wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to know. I wouldn't know anything about the music industry.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be straight up with you. My thought
Speaker 1: process of the music industry. I thought you had to
Speaker 1: go on American Idol to actually get into the music industry.
Speaker 1: I had knew nothing about this whole scene. No one
Speaker 1: in my family was musician, musically talented, none of that,
Speaker 1: so I never had any things to draw from to
Speaker 1: know better. So like, hey, like, we want to know
Speaker 1: your original music. So I was like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: do that, but okay. So then I started writing, tried
Speaker 1: it out for a song I wrote was my song
Speaker 1: on the run in my childhood bedroom. I went to
Speaker 1: guitar Center, I bought two microphones, bought an interface, watched
Speaker 1: a YouTube video on my laptop, plugged it all in
Speaker 1: one take in my bedroom, just set it up.
Speaker 2: Had no idea what I was doing.
Speaker 1: I literally just pressed record, no mixing, no mastering, nothing,
Speaker 1: just recorded it, singing the song from top to bottom.
Speaker 1: I must have done it ten times and I picked.
Speaker 1: I remember the pick in the tenth one. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. And uploading it. Had no idea what
Speaker 1: you know people used tunecore and you know all these
Speaker 1: other things as independent artists.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't even know how to get
Speaker 2: a song with Spotify. I was like, I don't even
Speaker 2: know how people do that.
Speaker 1: So I had to do all these things and learn
Speaker 1: all these things to even get myself out there.
Speaker 2: So I want to headed in that.
Speaker 1: And during this duration of time, my manager today had
Speaker 1: been reaching out to me for.
Speaker 2: Four months through like the DM.
Speaker 1: DM email trying to find my phone number. It was
Speaker 1: just trying to get a hold of me because he
Speaker 1: thought I was already being managed because of the way
Speaker 1: I was marketing myself, the way I was branding myself,
Speaker 1: how I was controlling the fans from controlling, maybeout the
Speaker 1: right word, but being like they were following me. They
Speaker 1: weren't just followers passive followers on social media. They were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to go hear what you're putting on YouTube.
Speaker 1: We're going to go listen to your song now on
Speaker 1: Spotify and Apple Music and YouTube. So he had already
Speaker 1: thought I had a manager. I'm like, no, man, this
Speaker 1: is this is just me doing the whole song and dance.
Speaker 1: Finally got a hold of me, and it wasn't until
Speaker 1: him and I spoke and we met.
Speaker 2: How do you finally get a hold of you? He
Speaker 2: got my phone number, and I wish I remember how
Speaker 2: he told me.
Speaker 1: He got it in a roundabout way, probably creepy, but
Speaker 1: he got my phone number. Somehow calls me up and
Speaker 1: I'm like, who's this dude, Some bald guy from Nashville
Speaker 1: wanted to talk.
Speaker 2: To me forty two years old.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know nothing about Nashville, never been down there,
Speaker 1: had rarely traveled besides what I did for lacrosse. And
Speaker 1: he was just like, hey, man, I don't want to
Speaker 1: have a manager.
Speaker 2: I don't want to step on any toes.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to reach out and just check in
Speaker 1: and see if you do or not, and see if
Speaker 1: there's any way I could be of help.
Speaker 2: And I was like no. He's like, no, a tot all,
Speaker 2: no manager, and you can't help me. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: no to manager.
Speaker 1: And then I'm just again, no one knows anything about
Speaker 1: the music indust true in my family. So I'm like, hey, Mom,
Speaker 1: like there's this dude that wants to talk to me again.
Speaker 1: I'm twenty one at this point, so in college he
Speaker 1: wants to talk to me about me become out of
Speaker 1: Nashville to meet him, YadA YadA. So him and I
Speaker 1: build a rapport on just phone calls and texts for
Speaker 1: a month. It wasn't until I went down to meet him.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. Man just this story, I go down
Speaker 1: and meet him. My first write in Nashville was when
Speaker 1: I wrote Ride the Lightning. First time being in Nashville.
Speaker 1: I wrote it in his guest bedroom. It was a
Speaker 1: zoom right with Eric Pasley and Rob Crosby. I'm nervous
Speaker 1: as crap love Eric Pasley, amazing artist, amazing writer. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: I listened to you and now I'm going to be
Speaker 1: on a zoom call with you and I'm writing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is this world? So we wrote Ride
Speaker 2: a Lightning and spend a week with him.
Speaker 1: I come back home, but he was the first dude
Speaker 1: to tell me you have something and it's up to
Speaker 1: you if you want to pursue this, you can do this.
Speaker 1: He was the first person to tell me this is
Speaker 1: something you can do. You have something special. Because my
Speaker 1: parents didn't know better. You know, they just knew I
Speaker 1: could sing, but they didn't know like, this is something
Speaker 1: to pursue and whatnot. So I come back home and
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man, I think you should really
Speaker 1: fly back with me and meet my parents. I think
Speaker 1: it's a respectful thing to do. I just spent a
Speaker 1: week with you in Nashville.
Speaker 2: He didn't kill me. This is great. I'm still living
Speaker 2: here dating somebody. I'm like, yeah, long DN the relationship.
Speaker 2: You should come back. I'm I'm still living. I meet
Speaker 2: the family. Yes.
Speaker 1: So he comes back, and I remember on the flight back,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so remind me what you told me.
Speaker 2: You're we're gonna go back.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have my parents, and then you're gonna tell
Speaker 1: them I'm dropping out of college because I'm like, I
Speaker 1: hate school, I'm done with school. You're going to tell
Speaker 1: them I'm dropping out. This is real because he went
Speaker 1: through my dms with me. I had record labels and
Speaker 1: I had publishers in my dms and had no idea
Speaker 1: because I wasn't looking for it.
Speaker 2: Like I had no idea I was looking for the
Speaker 2: hot blawns. I wasn't. I wasn't looking for you know,
Speaker 2: and who even knows, like you said, in Hershire, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: the music industry isn't taught at the level you would
Speaker 2: even know what a publisher is. I didn't know what
Speaker 2: a publisher was, and I still barely that right. I mean, so,
Speaker 2: I mean it's not that crazy, I know, being in Nashville.
Speaker 2: If you said that, you're like Oh, but it's not
Speaker 2: that I come from a down a seven hundred pe
Speaker 2: in Arkansas. Yeah, I know crap about music. Yeah, except
Speaker 2: for what I saw on television. And so what did
Speaker 2: your parents say when this random guy shows up and
Speaker 2: says your son's dropping out of college.
Speaker 1: They were shell shocked. My mom and dad. There was pushback.
Speaker 1: They're like, you're so close to graduating.
Speaker 2: Close.
Speaker 1: I think I was probably a little over a semester.
Speaker 1: I was a little over a semester and that is close. Yes,
Speaker 1: and me I was. I did well in school, but
Speaker 1: it was never something that I was so I was
Speaker 1: very just straight smarts, and I always did really well
Speaker 1: in classes where I had the ability to use my talent.
Speaker 1: So I did really well in marketing and sales because
Speaker 1: it was just it was just kind of like things
Speaker 1: you knew internally. It was in my blood. So long
Speaker 1: story short, comes back, we sit down, we have a
Speaker 1: nice meal, tells him and my mom was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so if you're this was your son, what would you say?
Speaker 2: And he was this is his words.
Speaker 1: He was like, if my son was a talented as
Speaker 1: your son, I would tell him, don't look back this.
Speaker 1: You can always go back to school, this is something
Speaker 1: you have a chance to do. And from that moment forward. Once,
Speaker 1: like I said too early on the interview, when someone
Speaker 1: tells me I can do something, and when I believe
Speaker 1: in it myself and I have the ability to put
Speaker 1: everything I have into it, I will. I will go
Speaker 1: all in and I will do whatever it takes to succeed.
Speaker 1: And once he gave me that green light and I
Speaker 1: gave up school, dude, I was going. I was flying
Speaker 1: back and forth to Nashville every other week, week at
Speaker 1: a time, two weeks down there, writing, shaking hands, meeting people,
Speaker 1: taking care of the socials.
Speaker 2: I still manage my socials man like.
Speaker 1: It's still me heavily, whether it's what I'm posting, what
Speaker 1: I want to say, commenting the fans, like, I'm still
Speaker 1: very heavily involved in that because that's what got me here,
Speaker 1: and I still really want to be involved in that.
Speaker 2: So I love what I get to do.
Speaker 1: It just took someone to come along the way to
Speaker 1: be like, you can do this, and I'm glad he did.
Speaker 2: And he's still your manager. He's bold, he has both
Speaker 2: throw that in there. I know where I had to
Speaker 2: I had I didn't visualize it better. Once you said that,
Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, that's the only detail I remember. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: there you go. And a picture is like bald, pasty,
Speaker 2: white head and I don't even know who it is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the Bobby Cast will be right back.
Speaker 2: M h. This is the Bobby Cast writing songs. How
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say quickly, yeah, but I'm gonna I'll say,
Speaker 2: how fast did you uh like acclimate to being in
Speaker 2: a room with other people and sharing personal things to
Speaker 2: be put into songs? You know?
Speaker 1: Man, It's it's like a muscle and you have to
Speaker 1: work it to get used to it. And and it
Speaker 1: is a It is an intimidating thing. I mean, again,
Speaker 1: from a kid who knew nothing about this. I'm coming
Speaker 1: into town, new kid on the block, never a writer.
Speaker 1: These dudes are people I've looked up to, great writers,
Speaker 1: great artists who are writing with me. It's intimidating, very
Speaker 1: much so. So it definitely took time. But what I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful for is I was getting into the right
Speaker 1: rooms of people being welcoming and it was very much
Speaker 1: of like, we know you're new to this, so we're
Speaker 1: going to help you out. And it was an understanding
Speaker 1: of knowing I'm new and people believing into me early.
Speaker 1: So I think it was really cool of just perfect
Speaker 1: storm getting in the right rooms with people that understood
Speaker 1: what I was doing repetition and a lot of the
Speaker 1: writers that are on my debut album coming out are
Speaker 1: dudes that I've been writing with since I started in
Speaker 1: town and because they believed in me early on, and
Speaker 1: they just wanted to help me grow and just help
Speaker 1: me get better doing this whole this whole thing I
Speaker 1: call a lifestyle, not even a job.
Speaker 2: It's a lifestyle. That's what we do. It's pretty cool
Speaker 2: that past lay is your first rite, Yeah, that you
Speaker 2: write ride the Lightning, I mean. And Eric's written only
Speaker 2: for breaks your Heart. You like young band, Barefoot, Blue
Speaker 2: g Night, Jacob and Friday Night. His song that was
Speaker 2: number one. I think you want to Cma for she
Speaker 2: Don't Love You. She just loved that song. Yeah, awesome song,
Speaker 2: that song. And but you may not know, which probably
Speaker 2: you probably do because everybody knows the song in the
Speaker 2: whole world because it's a massive hit. Eric and I
Speaker 2: wrote a kid song together called When I Grow Up
Speaker 2: that had just tens of streams. Here you go, Thank you,
Speaker 2: Mike A. Little past lay Jim there, you've heard vocals
Speaker 2: like that before, exactly exactly, no words. How many streams
Speaker 2: does it have? Like, honestly, I don't see it on
Speaker 2: this service. That's probably ten million every probably crushes Ride
Speaker 2: the Lightning, I think about a billion. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: it was the first billion billion stream kids song. So yeah,
Speaker 2: not desires. I'm just letting you know, buddy, you've done
Speaker 2: one hundred shows. Now, that's that's you're putting that. I
Speaker 2: mean you that's muscle memory there right, Like things are
Speaker 2: going wrong enough that you don't have to freak out
Speaker 2: about I'm going wrong. I mean that's me on stage
Speaker 2: on a stand up. I was scared to death, not
Speaker 2: of at first of my jokes just bombing because that
Speaker 2: was going to happen anyway, but it was like, technically
Speaker 2: what if some went wrong? But once it goes wrong
Speaker 2: a few times and you're like, oh, what worst cases
Speaker 2: this can happen? And then you actually get better because
Speaker 2: you've gone through some crap on stage, you don't worry
Speaker 2: about the crap as much anymore. And one hundred shows.
Speaker 2: When I read that you did one hundred shows, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's had enough mess up, so he's probably pretty comfortable now,
Speaker 2: it's just getting on stage and letting it go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: any accuracy there with that.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I think that it's like you said,
Speaker 1: it's repetition. It's getting used to the uncontrollable. There's just
Speaker 1: there's too many factors that you can't control, and I'm
Speaker 1: just shy. Just passed a little bit of one hundred Now.
Speaker 1: One hundredth show was Stagecoach, which was a lot of
Speaker 1: fun and but yeah, I think my first show ever
Speaker 1: it was It was funny. It was my acoustic tour
Speaker 1: last year in March. First time I was stepping on
Speaker 1: a stage, first time stepping on a stage. Man, I
Speaker 1: was from seven hundred people for a sold out show
Speaker 1: and I was like, holy shit, I'm actually about to
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 2: Was it weird that people came for you and paid
Speaker 2: money for you, specifically you're selling your tickets. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that that was the first couple of times, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're like, I have seven hundred people here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're so especially coming from the social media thing,
Speaker 1: you see the numbers on the phone, You're like, okay,
Speaker 1: like that's cool.
Speaker 2: Well, the real eyeballs that paid, real money.
Speaker 1: Honestly, now they're there time energy, merch their time, they're
Speaker 1: buying drinks, they're having a great time, and no one's
Speaker 1: forcing them to sing the words and they're singing word
Speaker 1: for word at the top of their lungs. And it's like,
Speaker 1: I was so nervous taken that stage, and there was
Speaker 1: so many thoughts going through my head. And when I
Speaker 1: tell you, things could have went wrong, things went wrong.
Speaker 1: Vocal Mike's not working, feedback from the wedge that wasn't
Speaker 1: getting fixed for four or five songs, like just having
Speaker 1: to and I think I'm so grateful for the sports background,
Speaker 1: just having to acclimate in uncomfortable situations, and I think
Speaker 1: being in uncomfortable situations all the time, you get so
Speaker 1: used to being uncomfortable and it just makes you a
Speaker 1: better person for the uncontrollable. So it was after that
Speaker 1: night though, that first show I played, people ask me
Speaker 1: like when did you know, Like when did you know
Speaker 1: this was like your thing? You know, you write the music,
Speaker 1: you got the songs coming out, you're streaming, it's a
Speaker 1: crazy it's cool, you're posting social media videos. But that night,
Speaker 1: after playing my first show, it was like, Yep, this
Speaker 1: is what I was born to do.
Speaker 2: Was it a high when you were done?
Speaker 1: It was a high like no other. And there's just
Speaker 1: there's And you can attest to this too. There's no
Speaker 1: feeling like going out there in such loud crowds and
Speaker 1: seeing the faces and shaking the hands and seeing the
Speaker 1: signs and seeing them saying word for word, or just
Speaker 1: laughing to your jokes, whatever it might be. It is
Speaker 1: just like it's a unreal feeling of just the heart,
Speaker 1: the passion, the people, the way they resonate with songs.
Speaker 1: You write a song one way and they take it
Speaker 1: another way. But that's the beauty of music. It's you
Speaker 1: take songs and fit them into your life the way
Speaker 1: you need them.
Speaker 2: To tell me about Pretty Little Poison? The name first, yep,
Speaker 2: why why the name pretty Little Poison? Is that about me?
Speaker 2: Be honest, you.
Speaker 4: Wanted to be about you? I don't actually go ahead,
Speaker 4: I don't think you do. Actually pretty Little Poison? So
Speaker 4: I wrote that song? Well, how long did I write
Speaker 4: that song?
Speaker 2: Already I was in the room, and that day I
Speaker 2: just had on my I had on my mind.
Speaker 1: I was like, I would love to write a darker
Speaker 1: themed love song because as you can I'm sure see
Speaker 1: from some of the music that I have out very
Speaker 1: minory keys, you know that outlaw feeling dark sense.
Speaker 2: To me minor for those listening. Minor usually dark, sad, somber, major, bright, fun.
Speaker 1: Happy yeses and I love I love the major keys.
Speaker 1: Think it's very on brand for what I do. But
Speaker 1: when it came to writing Pretty Little Poison, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't have a song title, but I'm like, just conceptually,
Speaker 1: we started talking about this idea in the room and
Speaker 1: shout out to Ryan Beaver. He's got a couple songs.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I love Ryan Beaver too, such a sweetheart
Speaker 1: of a dude, Like.
Speaker 2: It's so good as a and a singer, Like I
Speaker 2: love his music too. Yep. Yeah, And he was one
Speaker 2: of the first.
Speaker 1: He's one of the dudes early on to buy into
Speaker 1: me and you know, helped me form myself into what
Speaker 1: I am now and ever growing. But he's got a
Speaker 1: couple songs on the debut album, Pretty Little Poison. But
Speaker 1: when it came to writing pretty Little Poison, he came
Speaker 1: up with pretty Poison. I was like, I love the piece,
Speaker 1: I love the alliteration. I was like, what if we
Speaker 1: wrote pretty Little poison and it was from that moment,
Speaker 1: just the word little it just made a click for us.
Speaker 1: We wrote that song so fast, it just fell together.
Speaker 1: And when we're done writing it, we got a demo
Speaker 1: and I wrote the demo.
Speaker 2: I sang the demo twice.
Speaker 1: I got the demo back that we and I remember
Speaker 1: when I got it, I said it to my manager.
Speaker 1: I sent it to my ar dude, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this song is something special and it was one of
Speaker 1: those moments where you know you get a song like
Speaker 1: this is a good song.
Speaker 2: It was. I believed it. When I got that song back,
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is something that's going.
Speaker 1: To be heard, and yeah, that song is. It actually
Speaker 1: kind of is a dark song if you actually listen
Speaker 1: to the lyrics and what it truly represents and what
Speaker 1: I've explained.
Speaker 2: It to be. But wrote it is the album dark
Speaker 2: than it's got hints of it for sure.
Speaker 1: The overall ching arching theme I like to talk about
Speaker 1: when it comes to the album and why we called
Speaker 1: it pretty Little Poison was that's our focus that song.
Speaker 1: But the overarching theme if you've watched you've seen the
Speaker 1: music video by chance for Pretty Little Poison, it's okay if.
Speaker 2: You have no I wouldn't lie. Don't If you get
Speaker 2: a chance to watch it, I'd love it if you did.
Speaker 1: But you never see the girl's face in the music video,
Speaker 1: and it's supposed to represent this. I like to say
Speaker 1: the faceless Cowgirl because the songs in this album are
Speaker 1: about some women along the way in my life. Whether
Speaker 1: it's my life personally, it's friends, life's overall arching stories
Speaker 1: that I've heard from mothers as well, but a lot
Speaker 1: of them hit home for me. But I wanted to
Speaker 1: have that ideology of the faceless cowgirl. And you can,
Speaker 1: whether you're dude or whether you're a girl, it's a
Speaker 1: faceless cowboy whatever.
Speaker 2: You can put yourself into those shoes.
Speaker 1: But the overall arching theme for Party Little Poison itself,
Speaker 1: whether it's a female, it's going back to something in
Speaker 1: life that you know is not good for you, you love
Speaker 1: it that much. It's the temptress. It's this thing that
Speaker 1: you know really deep down is not good for you,
Speaker 1: but it just it's it's just that good that you
Speaker 1: can't let it go.
Speaker 2: Pop tarts For me, it's pop tarts, whatever it may be.
Speaker 2: Your points is a cowgirl part. Yeah, Hey, I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I know I shouldn't eat them, but I do, and
Speaker 2: I keep rocking on brown Sugar guy at all. No, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's okay, they're okay. I'll lead them through the last one. Okay.
Speaker 2: But brown Sugar and then Coffee went are disgusting too.
Speaker 2: But anyway, back to you, it's about you, only about
Speaker 2: me occasionally. But no.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the like I said, it's it's this thing that
Speaker 1: you can't say no to, and it's just it's that sweet.
Speaker 1: And I think that when I wrote it at that time,
Speaker 1: I would like to joke that I spoke this song
Speaker 1: into fruition, like I spoke this song into existence. I
Speaker 1: thought when we were writing it, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've been here before. Because me and Ryan were going
Speaker 1: back and forth. He's like, dude, I've had this before,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I feel like I've definitely
Speaker 1: had it.
Speaker 2: It wasn't until after I wrote this song that I
Speaker 2: truly knew what a pretty little poison was. I spoke
Speaker 2: that song into existence man, and I went, so, you
Speaker 2: manifested manifested poison in your life. Oh yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: leave it there, but you manifested the poison YEP. And
Speaker 2: I hope. Sure you weren't searching for it purposefully, so
Speaker 2: I hear you say no more. Yep, yep, probably was.
Speaker 2: So the sample of the four songs that I had
Speaker 2: and heard, that's the Pretty Little Poison sampler. It's the EP.
Speaker 2: But and there's when I asked about Prety Little Pison
Speaker 2: that this the whole album. I'm gonna be named that too, right, Yep,
Speaker 2: got it. Well, Look, let's play a clip that I
Speaker 2: know we talked about it before you got here, mic,
Speaker 2: but let's play a little bit of Pretty Little Poison,
Speaker 2: Little Poison.
Speaker 4: Genous.
Speaker 2: Just I'm excited for you, man. You know, it's it's
Speaker 2: cool to see not just how you did it, but
Speaker 2: what you're doing with what you did in the direction
Speaker 2: that you're going still, because it's different, honestly, you know,
Speaker 2: it's different, and in a time where a lot of homogenization,
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. There's a reason we wanted to
Speaker 2: talk to you. Reason I wanted to talk to you, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like I like to watch how you're doing it and
Speaker 2: congratulations on everything. And I think there's also a lot
Speaker 2: to be said about being uncomfortable, and if you're uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: a whole lot of the time that when you're uncomfortable again,
Speaker 2: it's not a shock to the system, and that for me,
Speaker 2: it makes the comfortable times on most uncomfortable. I'll be
Speaker 2: honest with you where I'm like, this feels too good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: something bad and sometimes that's unhealthy and I gotta stop that.
Speaker 2: The one it is good, I'm questioning it. But now
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and I'm I was super happy when
Speaker 1: I figured out that. You know, I was wondering if
Speaker 1: you ever want to have a conversation with me, But
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really happy you did and you brought
Speaker 1: me on because I'm happy to hear that I'm not crazy.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm doing it a different way, and
Speaker 1: I kind of knew when I was making this approach
Speaker 1: and taking this way.
Speaker 2: Me and my manager were like, you know, you will help.
Speaker 1: You will have a certain time going through this process
Speaker 1: because of the way you want to approach.
Speaker 2: The same way that you were bullied, and you learn
Speaker 2: so many things about well all of it. You're going
Speaker 2: through it a different way. You're gonna learn there are
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of haters too that are not
Speaker 2: just you, but anybody that does it differently, And I
Speaker 2: could list four or five artists that have done it differently,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden they're the worst. They're not
Speaker 2: they're not country there's and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: what they were doing pop so hard it became the norm.
Speaker 2: And what I'm doing is kind of seeing this again
Speaker 2: with how you're doing it, where nobody's hating on you
Speaker 2: for your vocals or your image or anything, but you
Speaker 2: are doing it in a bit of different way. But
Speaker 2: also that's very legitimate, and that's that's what's different about it.
Speaker 2: I like it. Keep your head down, keep pushing. I
Speaker 2: gotta tell you that you're already going to do that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know me now, Yeah, big big fan
Speaker 2: for sure. You guys follow Warren. It's just on Instagram
Speaker 2: and TikTok. It's just warn ziders and Jennifer of March, April, May, June, July.
Speaker 2: I alstill go to dor Fingers August twenty fifth, it's when
Speaker 2: Pretty Little Poison comes out, you know, all the months
Speaker 2: my number ten no okay, oh wait hold on, well no,
Speaker 2: if you look up in the sky, I was kind
Speaker 2: of my fingers, I know, twelfth December, right, twelve is December.
Speaker 2: I know that way. Yeah. I can go like five
Speaker 2: deep May and then I lose it until about November
Speaker 2: eleven and twelve. So you guys follow warm big fan,
Speaker 2: really keep it up and really been great talking to you.
Speaker 2: There is warren Ziders everybody. Thanks for listening to Bobby
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