WEBVTT - #406 - Warren Zeiders On Getting 7 Concussions from Playing Lacrosse That Led to Depression + Getting Bullied In School For YouTube Video Of Him Singing + From Only Singing in front of Family to Going Viral on TikTok to Landing a Record Deal

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't go back in time and change a thing

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<v Speaker 1>because I think that I keep that with me as

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<v Speaker 1>a fuel of source. And I'm happy that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>happened to me because it made my skin thicker.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to episode four oh six with Warren Ziders Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>After we finished this interview, my trainer who comes over

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<v Speaker 2>to the house, Kevin Klug, he saw Warren walk out.

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<v Speaker 2>Warren's pretty big dude, big dude, you know, former athlete.

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<v Speaker 3>Played what's that support?

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<v Speaker 2>They throw the lacrosse? Okay, yes, lacrosse and not cokay, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was like, was that Warren Zeyders? I said yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And what he knew of Warren Zeider's was he said, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the guy that figured out the algorithm.

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<v Speaker 3>And I said, what do you mean? He said, I

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<v Speaker 3>watched some of his stuff online.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it, but he's known because he figured it out,

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<v Speaker 2>Like he was smart enough to know how to use

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok and not only be real good, but implement like

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<v Speaker 2>the perfect strategy to blow up pack the system. And

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<v Speaker 2>I s really goes, yeah, so what do you what

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<v Speaker 2>do you know about the because I don't know. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>everybody says, like he's the one that figured it out.

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<v Speaker 2>So did you know I didn't know that. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know that now. Yeah, So I liked warn not really

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<v Speaker 2>what I expected, but in the best way because his

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<v Speaker 2>pictures he looks, I don't know, like he would brand uts.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought he was gonna come in like spit on

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<v Speaker 3>the floor, yea, throw some things.

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<v Speaker 2>Around, really warm, really nice guy. I mean he left

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, dang, I like that dude. So Warrensiders,

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<v Speaker 2>let's tell you a little bit about him. His debut album,

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty Little Poison, comes out eight twenty five. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>do a finger Jani March, April, May, Junejuly August twenty fifth.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it. So the sampler is already out, and here's

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<v Speaker 2>a little clip of Pretty Little Poison for more Inxiders

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Geez MOBOs Ride the Lightning became a big hit,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of against social media.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's a clip of that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Because when the.

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<v Speaker 1>Class tracks Mann don't alrad.

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<v Speaker 2>On tour through November fifteen to go to Warren Ziders

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<v Speaker 2>dot com, z I D E r s dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>He's out with a thousand horses. He's twenty four. I

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<v Speaker 3>thought he was a little older, young guy. Yeah, just

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<v Speaker 3>a kid from Hershey, Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 2>Music, as he talks about, was not a massive part

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<v Speaker 2>of his household. You know, he's saying in church like

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of other artists, and played sports and then

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he had some real some real injury type

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like there's broken arms and legs, and then there's

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<v Speaker 2>head injuries like brain stuff, and so he got you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty dicey with him.

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<v Speaker 3>But here he is.

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<v Speaker 2>Follow him on Instagram and TikTok at warren Zeider's z

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<v Speaker 2>E I D E r s and here he is

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<v Speaker 2>our time with Warren Zeiders. Nice watch you got there?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>That new No, it's actually not it's a probably fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>years old.

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<v Speaker 2>It was my dad's. I'm assuming it. It's from here.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like a Rolex real legs yep. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I only recently started to get them because I've

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<v Speaker 2>only recently started to make good money, and I always

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<v Speaker 2>just saw them on TV. So I thought, one day,

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<v Speaker 2>when I start to make it, I'm gonna get one.

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<v Speaker 2>I got like seven now and I gotta stop. But

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<v Speaker 2>now I see them. It's like when you have a

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<v Speaker 2>car and let's say you buy a you know, on

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<v Speaker 2>a cord. Yeah, and all of a sudden, you're like, god, damn,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many accords on the road. As soon as

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<v Speaker 2>you walked in, I was like, I didn't even see

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw a Rolex walk in, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>a Rolex just floated in the room. So and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not liking it. Like Luke Combs is like a big

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<v Speaker 2>watch guy too, and so he's do you know much

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<v Speaker 2>about watches? Because I don't. I don't either.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, this was my dad's and it was

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<v Speaker 1>actually a gift to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks good, it's solid. I've had a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people trying to buy it, but I'll write a number down.

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<v Speaker 2>You tell me if it's good enough to buy it

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<v Speaker 2>from me.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think there's something I'll hold on to and

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<v Speaker 1>give to my son once too. But it was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be a gift for me when I graduated college.

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<v Speaker 1>But I didn't graduate college. I signed a record deal instead.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, you know, do I still get

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<v Speaker 1>the role x?

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny. You know, you're a lot smilier than I

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<v Speaker 2>thought you'd be. I've heard that before, like not that

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<v Speaker 2>it's good or bad, but hearing your music, seeing press

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<v Speaker 2>seeing press pictures of you like this here. You look

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<v Speaker 2>like a freaking cowboy that's gonna kick me in the

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<v Speaker 2>balls if I say a cross word about you or

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<v Speaker 2>your mama.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead, you're still that dude and you're ripped and you're

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<v Speaker 2>a good looking dude. But it's like your friendly as crap. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I like to think I'm I think pretty friendly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised, not that you're friendly, but you're just very happy.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it you. I assume you're grinding pretty hard

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<v Speaker 2>right now, just traveling playing shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me your last seventy two hours, last seventy two hours. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're on Let's day, Monday now, Yeah, I lean

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<v Speaker 1>up the roo.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, my bad. We're on Monday now, so you already

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<v Speaker 2>know he's going hard if he has to go. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're on Monday. Okay, Yeah, I have the same thing sometimes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's weird now CMA week.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my first one, first time ever being there as

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<v Speaker 1>a fan either, So that was weird being in town

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<v Speaker 1>having shows, not being out of Nashville and.

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<v Speaker 2>Bobin and Weavin.

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<v Speaker 1>But between I played Riverfront on Thursday and then I

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<v Speaker 1>did Spotify House and then after that got on the

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<v Speaker 1>bus that night, went to Iowa, played at the festival,

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<v Speaker 1>got to go out on stage for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>with Jelly Roll.

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<v Speaker 2>Super sweetheart of a human being.

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<v Speaker 1>Him and I had just recently met at the softball game,

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<v Speaker 1>the charity softball game, and he came up to me

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, hey, man, like I'm more insiders,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, I know who you are and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, I didn't know that, So super nice dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Then did that and then got in yesterday morning, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I just did something for the Highway yesterday as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and then was doing stuff last night with my tour

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<v Speaker 1>manager who's also my best friend.

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<v Speaker 2>And then now here we are. How many of those

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<v Speaker 2>you say your tour manager is your best friend? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>how many of those people from home or like your

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<v Speaker 2>ould school friends do you kind of have in your

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<v Speaker 2>crew somewhat?

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<v Speaker 1>So actually shout out to Jared. He just drove me

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<v Speaker 1>and dropped me off. My tour manager. He was actually

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<v Speaker 1>working for my mom, and he did not like his job.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an accountant, wasn't his thing. Didn't like being

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<v Speaker 1>at a desk and whatnot. So I pulled him out

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<v Speaker 1>of that he didn't have any background in this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Neither did I. But here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing pretty well so far. But I brought him

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<v Speaker 1>out of that and brought them on the road with me.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's nice having somebody from back home that I

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<v Speaker 1>not only that I trust, but someone that I know

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<v Speaker 1>has my back and loves me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's been a big priority for me through my career too.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Mike here was an intern for me. Way he

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<v Speaker 2>runs the show now, Yeah, he's my voice as much

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<v Speaker 2>as I am. But like my co hosts on my

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<v Speaker 2>radio show were all people that never worked in radio yep,

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<v Speaker 2>but that they made me feel good and made me

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<v Speaker 2>perform better because I felt good, and then they got

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<v Speaker 2>really good at their jobs in the meantime. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>just worked out and been pretty amazing that I've been

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<v Speaker 2>able to do that because it was all for me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's for them too. It really was for

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<v Speaker 2>me because they made me feel good, comfortable and safe,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that actually elevated me and it gave me

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<v Speaker 2>the freedom elevate myself. And I kind of feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that's happening with you here too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think as long as you're comfortable in doing what

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing, You're going to flourish, and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>that was the mindset behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>And my parents are also very heavily involved.

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<v Speaker 1>I was raised in a family with businesses, and my

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<v Speaker 1>parents are both business acumen and my mom was a CFO.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad did investments for years and he's been in

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<v Speaker 1>cars car sales and ran dealerships for the past ten

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<v Speaker 1>to fifteen years as well. So they're heavily involved in

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<v Speaker 1>just helping me and helping me flourish and just have

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<v Speaker 1>my back, which is really fortunate to have that.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they involved in or do they look at the numbers? Oh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>my mom's actually my business manager. Okay, now we're talking. YEP.

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<v Speaker 2>I struggled with hiring a business manager because again I

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<v Speaker 2>come from a very humble upbringing where I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>you just went to the mill to work, yep. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I was like, wait, I got to pay somebody

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<v Speaker 2>five percent depending on I was like, I don't, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand. First of all, they're going to look at

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<v Speaker 2>it everything I make, and then I got to pay somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>But then what had happened? And I think you're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>this and you have been for a bit now is

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm paying percentages to people.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hm.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got agents ten percent, I got managed at

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen percent. I got to pay the ban when I

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<v Speaker 2>was I got and I'm like, oh my god, I'll pay.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll pay my bmen or ten percent, whoever it is.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was weird for me to hire someone because

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<v Speaker 2>you have to really trust them, and I have that person.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it's your mom, I feel like I would.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be pretty trusting if as my mom too, especially

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<v Speaker 2>if she has again the business acumen that you talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep yep CPAs she likes to say to me, she's overqualified.

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<v Speaker 2>But she takes great care of me.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's no one else I would trust in the

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<v Speaker 1>world to look over my finances and.

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<v Speaker 2>Just have my back. Where do you live now? I'm

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<v Speaker 2>actually down here now, So Nashville's home. How long has

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<v Speaker 2>it been home?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's been probably nine months to a year.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>But by the time I got down here, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I joke about it. People are like, you live down

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<v Speaker 1>here now? I'm like, well, I moved down here in

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<v Speaker 1>time to start touring so that I'm never around. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's been great. To me, I'm in and out, you know, writing,

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<v Speaker 1>touring management. Everyone likes to keep me busy and I

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<v Speaker 1>like to be busy.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's been good whenever you do things like CMA

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<v Speaker 2>Week and it's consistent, you're going from event to event

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<v Speaker 2>or event to show. Are you feeling we'll call it love.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you feeling love consistently now for your music and

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<v Speaker 2>who you are? I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you know, you joked around when I

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<v Speaker 1>first walked in here and you were like, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>you were going to be like this, And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that I have that part of me that's inside of me,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's kind of from my sports background and everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I get that from my dad. I

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<v Speaker 1>always like to say my Dad's we're both lovers until

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have to be, and we're both teddy bears.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I have.

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<v Speaker 1>An edge to who I am and that's definitely a

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<v Speaker 1>part of my brand and you know what I am

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<v Speaker 1>on stage. But I've I've definitely felt the love. I

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<v Speaker 1>think this week was such a success. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to expect with CMA Fest and getting out there

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<v Speaker 1>and whether is this a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>Slaughter or whatever it is?

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<v Speaker 1>But to see, you know, the pockets of people screaming

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<v Speaker 1>word for word and making new fans. It definitely felt

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<v Speaker 1>a successful week for me, and you know, integrating into

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<v Speaker 1>the scene of Nashville.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't want people to get it twisted. You cant

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<v Speaker 2>still rip my head off. I'm looking at your arms here.

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<v Speaker 2>You can still rip my head off, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>you would if I set a cross word. So when

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<v Speaker 2>I say your friend like, you're like you could do

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<v Speaker 2>all the things that I thought you could do, as

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<v Speaker 2>far as like beat me up, break my back, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you needed to do. So don't take that as I'm

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<v Speaker 2>calling you went Lauren, because you still got it. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh you played lacrosse, yep. Seems physical, like a physical score.

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<v Speaker 1>I have seven concussions to account for it being physical.

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<v Speaker 2>You just said that twice. Yeah, I did your concussions.

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<v Speaker 2>I said it three times. You said, well, so tell

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<v Speaker 2>me about lacrosse. I didn't grow up around lacrosse. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of my friends that live West Coast or up

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<v Speaker 2>in the you know, northeastern part of the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>they are they're introduced, and they play lacrosse more than

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<v Speaker 2>people from the south. YEP. So talk to me about

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<v Speaker 2>the game.

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<v Speaker 1>The game man, the roots really are Actually it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>Native American sport. And I don't know how much I

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<v Speaker 1>have in my blood, but I do have some Native

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<v Speaker 1>American in my I'm not just saying that, but from

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<v Speaker 1>my I think it's my grandmother's side. But long story short,

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<v Speaker 1>I always thought I was going to be a hockey player.

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<v Speaker 2>For the longest time. I was obsessed with hockey. Did

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<v Speaker 2>you played hockey?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Because my dad and I used to watch it all

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up going to Hershey Bears games because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>from Hershey and they were the farm team for.

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<v Speaker 2>The Washington Capitals.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was obsessed with hockey, loved rollerblading and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>got into ice skating, the whole thing. But when I

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<v Speaker 1>eventually moved to Hershey in fourth grade, I was introduced

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<v Speaker 1>to sport of lacrosse. It was a it's a big

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<v Speaker 1>thing up there around Maryland, Pennsylvania, New York, the whole

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<v Speaker 1>whole shebang. And when I picked up lacrosse stick, it

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of in that moment I realized, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is something cool, this is something I could see

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<v Speaker 1>myself doing. And dude, after a year of playing it

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<v Speaker 1>became my life, and I played all.

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<v Speaker 2>Year, so there was did you like the contact? I did?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't mind the contact. I was actually kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a smaller kid. I could never put on weight, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was always something that kind of bothered me. But

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<v Speaker 1>I was always super fast and agile, so I could

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<v Speaker 1>get away from it.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to think I'd get.

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<v Speaker 1>Away from it, but it's having concussions doesn't really say

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<v Speaker 1>I did get away from the contact. If now being

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four and looking back, I definitely probably would.

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<v Speaker 2>Have hit the weight room sooner.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't until after I kind of got to

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<v Speaker 1>college where lifting became a huge thing for me because

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<v Speaker 1>I went to college to play, but now lifting is

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<v Speaker 1>everything to me. Working out is such a big pivotal

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<v Speaker 1>part of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>But twelve years man, were you pretty good high school

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<v Speaker 2>player to play collegiate? Did you have scouts coming?

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, college visits. I did the whole thing. And like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I was playing all year round. So springtime

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<v Speaker 1>is school season for lacrosse, and so I played summer

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<v Speaker 1>league ball.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to showcases, I was going to colleges.

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing tournaments, same thing in the fall league

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<v Speaker 1>and then winter league. We played in a dome and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was always always playing.

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<v Speaker 2>Where'd you play in college?

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<v Speaker 1>I went to a school called Frostburg State University. It's

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<v Speaker 1>in Maryland. I went to go play Division three and

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<v Speaker 1>what I loved so much about it was unfortunately I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get to play very much because day two of practice.

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<v Speaker 2>I got laid out by.

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<v Speaker 1>A twenty four year old marine who was back from

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<v Speaker 1>some years of service. And the way college athletics work,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you can have years of eligibility if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't use them.

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<v Speaker 2>There have been quarterbacks they've been twenty eight years old,

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<v Speaker 2>I know. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I was coming off of a pick and

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<v Speaker 1>I got blindsided and laid me out flat on my back,

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<v Speaker 1>blacked out. Started season called an ambulance and I was

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<v Speaker 1>out for months, and I was confined pretty much to

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<v Speaker 1>a black room for months. What do you mean, like

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<v Speaker 1>as in I wasn't able to play. I was missing

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you were out of school and was missing classes,

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't take exams like I couldn't think it was and

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Went into a depression. Yeah, well I see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Because like there was you know, blue light

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<v Speaker 1>the screens, like watching TV would give you headaches, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>get sick, like it was a it was a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>major concussion.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you start to think that maybe it was never

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<v Speaker 2>going to be right again? That definitely was a fear

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<v Speaker 2>of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was spending a lot of weekends traveling back

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<v Speaker 1>home to PA because we have Hershey Medical Center and

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<v Speaker 1>the doctors there it took really good care of me,

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<v Speaker 1>and just was like, hey, man, you've had a couple

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<v Speaker 1>like minor concussions. This one's pretty major. If this happens again,

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<v Speaker 1>like we're gonna have a different conversation. And surely enough,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm I'm a dude that when I'm committed

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<v Speaker 1>to something, I give everything I have. And now I

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<v Speaker 1>get to say that I do this for country music

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<v Speaker 1>and I love what I do. But when it came

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<v Speaker 1>to Lacrosse and I had those months off and I

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<v Speaker 1>had some time to reflect, I was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the saying, you know, get knocked down, it's

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<v Speaker 1>up to you to get back up. So when it

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<v Speaker 1>came to winter break, you know, friends were out partying

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<v Speaker 1>and drinking and stuff, but me, I was spending two

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<v Speaker 1>a day and I was focused on taking care of

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<v Speaker 1>my health and getting back on that field, spring comes

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<v Speaker 1>around and get back to school surely enough. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was God's way of saying, this isn't for you anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had another concussion.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait you went back? Yeah, after all that, you went back. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's committed yep, and then there's are you sure? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so you go back. And my experience with friends, I've

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<v Speaker 2>had some head issues, but never significant like yours. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of my friends who've played professional sports talk about how

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<v Speaker 2>if they've been hit and had a concussion or two,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes the lightest thing can cause a concussion. Afterward, it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like you've been exposed, so it's easier to be

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<v Speaker 2>exposed to again. Is that what happened this time?

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was the moment where when I went

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<v Speaker 1>back for the spring season and I got hit, it

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<v Speaker 1>was like I didn't even have to think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I got up from the hit and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm jacked up. I just know really yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 1>knew in my heart the way my neck snapped way

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<v Speaker 1>hit the ground. I was like, that's it and threw

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<v Speaker 1>my helmet off, and I just it was just that

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<v Speaker 1>moment of you do something for so long it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>a part of who you are becomes a part of

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<v Speaker 1>your identity. Yeah, that's what I was known as the

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<v Speaker 1>student athlete, the you know, the lacrosse player, and giving

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<v Speaker 1>that up was, you know, kind of an identity crisis

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<v Speaker 1>for a little bit. I was like, what am I

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<v Speaker 1>going to do with my time now? This was everything

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<v Speaker 1>to me. And then you know, here we are now here, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Are here, we are now do you And the last

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<v Speaker 2>question sports wise, because I'm a massive sports guy sports

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<v Speaker 2>show myself, but do you follow NFL at all? I

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<v Speaker 2>do not as close as the closely as I once did.

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<v Speaker 2>Why was there just was two? I had all the

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<v Speaker 2>concussions in Miami, and you know, he's out for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time, comes back and it's another one. And he

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<v Speaker 2>said in the off season he debated retirement. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to retire. It just seems similar like he's also

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<v Speaker 2>a very intelligent sounding, just a sound guy. And he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I had all these you guys just remind

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<v Speaker 2>me of each other when you talk about it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And he's had them happen him over and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you're like, you know, when that got hit again,

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<v Speaker 2>there was another one. I feel like that happened to

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<v Speaker 2>him last year, Like he just went back out boom,

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<v Speaker 2>got another one, Like, how how long until you go?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? For the sake of my family and for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of my career in whatever else, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to stop playing ball. I wonder if that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>happen to him. Yeah, that was all. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>the parallels there between you two.

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<v Speaker 1>No, for sure, and like that was a tough part

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<v Speaker 1>for me to like come to grips with giving that up,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, not only was it me giving it up,

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<v Speaker 1>it was my parents, like their time, their energy, traveling

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<v Speaker 1>to tournaments with me, Sley've invested for sure, sleeping in

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<v Speaker 1>the hotels, leaving work early, getting me to practice on time.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what do they tell you when you're Did you

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<v Speaker 2>have the conversation with them like I'm thinking about doing

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<v Speaker 2>this or did you just tell him you're doing it?

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<v Speaker 1>So I was the conversation was open after the uh,

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<v Speaker 1>after the first severe one I had my freshman year

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<v Speaker 1>before I even had the second one, And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was surprising to see their reactions. My dad was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty supportive, but you know, he's comes from.

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<v Speaker 2>The age of rub some dirt on it. Go back in, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>back in.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, my dad's my dad's form of getting

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<v Speaker 1>better from being sick is going to the gym. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I've always done, even if I'm hat a sniffles,

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<v Speaker 1>like go work out.

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<v Speaker 2>Although it may not make you feel better.

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<v Speaker 1>Long term, you'll feel better for the day because you

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<v Speaker 1>went and got a sweat in.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was weird.

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<v Speaker 1>To see how much my mom held on too, just

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<v Speaker 1>what it was for me and come into the games

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<v Speaker 1>and rooting for me, And I think that they were

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<v Speaker 1>fearful of losing that part of their lives too. Now

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<v Speaker 1>they get to come cross and maybe the relationship that's

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<v Speaker 1>built in.

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<v Speaker 2>They get to come and support you, and there is

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<v Speaker 2>a an avenue for them to be with you without

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<v Speaker 2>having to go, hey, let's just hang out, and you

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<v Speaker 2>do hang out, but yeah, that's it's definitely part of

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<v Speaker 2>the relationship. And now they get to come to concerts

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<v Speaker 2>all right, Now they get to come to shows. It's

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<v Speaker 2>all different. Now my mom gets some manage my money

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<v Speaker 2>and they get to watch and se how much money

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<v Speaker 2>you're spending too. With mine. I'll call and be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>can I get this. You'll have those calls soon. And

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you'll call and go, did you just buy this?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not my mom, but I'm like, uh, I forgot.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see everything. I'm lying. But yeah, now your

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<v Speaker 2>mom's going to be be doing making those calls.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually really glad because she's kept me, you know, nice,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, on straight and narrow, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the money that I've spent has been nothing, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>good resources investing in real estate and everything, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>good assets.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's guys like you that I really hate

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<v Speaker 2>because you're a great athlete and now you're killing it music.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you have all the talents that I never had.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like God was looking up and he was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's equally put out all these talents. And he like

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<v Speaker 2>stumbled and fell and like threw some of you guys

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<v Speaker 2>all of it and it went right over my head.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I say that and I'm completely serious. But

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<v Speaker 2>other than that, here you are. Now you're killing it musically.

0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.840
<v Speaker 2>So when did music start for you? In a way

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<v Speaker 2>of Hey, I think if I invest my time into

0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.520
<v Speaker 2>this like I did. It could be athletics, it could

0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.600
<v Speaker 2>be school. Whatever it is, I think I can well

0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:29.520
<v Speaker 2>at least have a shot to have a shot. When

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<v Speaker 2>did that start to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>So the short version of was music was always a

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<v Speaker 1>part of my life, but it was never something that

0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.040
<v Speaker 1>I invested heavily, right too, because it was always athletics.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you sing though, young?

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<v Speaker 1>I did, but it was never I was never in

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<v Speaker 1>a band. I was never in the church choir, you know.

0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.600
<v Speaker 2>I was neighbor plays. Did you ever sing on do

0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:54.320
<v Speaker 2>a show? Publicly? Didn't even know you could sing? Family, Family,

0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:54.800
<v Speaker 2>and friends.

0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:57.760
<v Speaker 1>I was the dude, Hey Warren, go grab your guitar

0:20:57.840 --> 0:20:59.640
<v Speaker 1>and play around the bonfire, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I took a couple of lessons in middle school, but

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<v Speaker 1>I was always so focused on sports that I never

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<v Speaker 1>put the time and energy into the learning, you know,

0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:12.399
<v Speaker 1>the proper technique whatever you want to call it.

0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:14.399
<v Speaker 2>Whenever I wanted to learn something, I just go to YouTube.

0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I look at the courts sweat equity itself. Yeah right,

0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:18.159
<v Speaker 2>you don't have the time for that because you're put

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<v Speaker 2>it in something else. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So the frame of mind was when COVID hit and

0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:28.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm an extrovert. I gotta be doing something. I just

0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:32.800
<v Speaker 1>gave up lacrosse. Now I'm back home. I transferred schools.

0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm living under mom and Dad's roof again. We're confined

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<v Speaker 1>to the walls of our home. I'm like, I'm going nuts.

0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:44.280
<v Speaker 1>And so my outlet was hop on social media, and

0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:47.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, while I'm in between taking classes and you know,

0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.520
<v Speaker 1>online zooms, I'm just going to start posting videos and

0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.439
<v Speaker 1>myself for fun of just singing songs that I like

0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.320
<v Speaker 1>and stuff that I'm listening to right now. First one

0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:58.880
<v Speaker 1>I put out on TikTok and Instagram was a cover

0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:03.040
<v Speaker 1>of Tennessee Whiskey, and people were like, who's this dude?

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Like this is cool? Wake up the next morning It's

0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:09.399
<v Speaker 1>got three hundred thousand views. I'm like, what, Like that

0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:13.080
<v Speaker 1>was so big to me from first video posting on

0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:16.439
<v Speaker 1>social media of me singing, like, that's a pretty big number.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you shy to sing, let's say five years ago,

0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:22.000
<v Speaker 2>ten years ago, even you knew you could do it

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit? And they said Warren was the guy

0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.400
<v Speaker 2>with a guitar. Were you also the guy? We're like, yes,

0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:27.000
<v Speaker 2>you're all sing or were we like I don't know.

0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I think you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually I'm glad you bring that up because I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>really touched on this much in interviews.

0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:36.320
<v Speaker 2>But I was actually bullied. I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was an athlete, and in middle school I always

0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:43.640
<v Speaker 1>loved to sing, didn't matter whether if it was country,

0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:47.439
<v Speaker 1>whether it was rock, justin Bieber Christian music, whatever it was,

0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:49.679
<v Speaker 1>there was a song that I was connected to. I

0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:51.800
<v Speaker 1>just was humming it in the car, I was humming

0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.280
<v Speaker 1>it on the lacrosse field. I was always singing something.

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<v Speaker 1>But in middle school there was these two girls that

0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:00.399
<v Speaker 1>I had a crush on, and we got a Christmas party,

0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:03.760
<v Speaker 1>had a guitar, and they wanted me to sing. Hadn't

0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:07.000
<v Speaker 1>hit Puper deal yet, so voice sounded a certain way

0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:11.439
<v Speaker 1>and they videoed it, and surely enough it lived on

0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:15.160
<v Speaker 1>YouTube for years and years. So I got to high

0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:20.159
<v Speaker 1>school after three years of middle school of being berated.

0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.320
<v Speaker 2>About this video. Why we're making fun of you for

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<v Speaker 2>the video? I think it was because of maybe the

0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:28.320
<v Speaker 2>way I sounded jealousy though, could you sing yeah? Like

0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:31.200
<v Speaker 2>there are people that sound terrible that don't get made

0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:32.920
<v Speaker 2>fun of. And this is my point, Yeah, if you

0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:35.879
<v Speaker 2>just sounded bad, I don't think anybody's gonna saything to

0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:40.000
<v Speaker 2>you because most people sound bad. Yeah, so it must

0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:43.840
<v Speaker 2>be in a way a sense of jealousy, because why

0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:46.119
<v Speaker 2>would you pick on somebody who just sounded bad unless

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:49.760
<v Speaker 2>you're picking on somebody who sounds pretty good and you're

0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.920
<v Speaker 2>a little jealous that you don't have some sort of talent.

0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I got the crap beat out of me as a kid,

0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:57.760
<v Speaker 2>So like when you say that stuff, yeah, I go, huh,

0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:01.960
<v Speaker 2>let's evaluate and really get it in the So you

0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:03.600
<v Speaker 2>sounded weird, but could you hold a tune? Could you

0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:05.639
<v Speaker 2>stay likecky? Oh? Yeah, so they're jealous of you anyway?

0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Go ahead. Yeah.

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:07.600
<v Speaker 1>So I think that that was a part of it,

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:09.359
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's like what my parents kind of

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 1>taught me to. And you know, I I wouldn't go

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 1>back in time and change a thing because I think

0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:18.359
<v Speaker 1>that I keep that with me as a fuel of source.

0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:21.600
<v Speaker 1>And I'm happy that kind of happened to me because

0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:24.960
<v Speaker 1>it made my skin thicker. How would they bully well,

0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:28.880
<v Speaker 1>I think honestly, dude, I'd be in class and we'd

0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:30.960
<v Speaker 1>have a school project and these kids would put it,

0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:33.639
<v Speaker 1>put the video in their project and play it in

0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:35.439
<v Speaker 1>front of everybody, and it was like a thing that

0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:39.040
<v Speaker 1>they were yeah at any at any turn they could

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:41.879
<v Speaker 1>get and it kind of, you know, pushed me away

0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 1>from the whole music thing and probably pushed me away

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:48.880
<v Speaker 1>from putting stuff on social media years and years ago.

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 1>And then it really got bad when I got to

0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:54.679
<v Speaker 1>high school and it was my first day as a

0:24:54.680 --> 0:25:00.119
<v Speaker 1>freshman for lacrosse tryouts as a freshman, and we were

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 1>getting ready to do workouts, and surely enough they put

0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the video on the speakers, over the loud speakers. The

0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:10.320
<v Speaker 1>same kids, no older kids, because kids in my class

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:14.720
<v Speaker 1>told their older brothers on the team got about this video,

0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:18.359
<v Speaker 1>and surely enough, again try to get into my skin,

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:20.240
<v Speaker 1>try to get in my psyche, the whole thing.

0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 2>And it was kind of like at every turn, man.

0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Whether it was a school project, whether it was over

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:26.400
<v Speaker 1>the speakers, whether it was on the bus after a game,

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.479
<v Speaker 1>trying to play the video. Like I think the kids

0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:31.159
<v Speaker 1>just tried to find an angle to come at me.

0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 1>I like to think I'm a pretty, you know, decent dude.

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:36.359
<v Speaker 1>I like to think I'm decent looking, you know, I

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.280
<v Speaker 1>have a charm to me. I hold myself a certain way,

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:41.800
<v Speaker 1>but I think that they tried to find a weak

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:46.439
<v Speaker 1>point in you know, on my side, and figure out

0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 1>if they could get to me.

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:49.679
<v Speaker 2>But again, I look.

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Back and I'm happy it happened because it makes all

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:54.359
<v Speaker 1>of this that much better.

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, why didn't you go to the girls? But

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:58.320
<v Speaker 2>I take the freaking video down. So I tried to.

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I did for the long time, and they were like,

0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:03.560
<v Speaker 1>we don't remember the past word we did this. You know,

0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:07.080
<v Speaker 1>you try to file a thing on it, whatever it is,

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:07.760
<v Speaker 1>this isn't me.

0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Try to take it down and it just nothing. I

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:13.359
<v Speaker 2>hate that. I hate dad to go through that.

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it did suck, but you know, like I said,

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:22.639
<v Speaker 1>it happened for a reason, and life goes on.

0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:26.960
<v Speaker 2>And they're eating it right now because you're killing it.

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 2>They're eating it like play. Next time you go home,

0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:30.040
<v Speaker 2>you put the video up.

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, so it's funny you bring that up. My mom,

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.359
<v Speaker 1>she took it much more to heart than I did.

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I never had those parents, and I was never that

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:42.359
<v Speaker 1>dude who was like, I'm gonna get my mom and

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:44.879
<v Speaker 1>dad involved. I was like, I'll handle my own stuff.

0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I'll take care of it. It's fine. I'm focused on lacrosse,

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 1>and I think that that was a big thing too

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:52.320
<v Speaker 1>that bothered them that I never let them see me sweat.

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 1>My dad always said that, and I was just I

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>was a pretty good lacrosse player too, so I think

0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.280
<v Speaker 1>that that didn't help that I was getting playtime over

0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:00.159
<v Speaker 1>some older.

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Kids as a sophomore.

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 1>You're in as a freshman, so like also, you know

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:06.280
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, So like they anything you can find.

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:07.560
<v Speaker 2>I'd be playing your video too if I was a

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:08.680
<v Speaker 2>senior in your.

0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Trying to find someone's weak point. But like you said,

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>it makes it that much sweeter. But my mom said,

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:17.320
<v Speaker 1>when you come back to Hershey and you play the

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Hershey Park Stadium, I think we should put that video

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:22.920
<v Speaker 1>completely agree up on the video walls.

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Not only for you, but for all the other es

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 2>that are ten fifteen years younger than you that are

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 2>there watching it that night. Because again, as someone who

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:37.680
<v Speaker 2>got bullied a lot, I got the crap beat out

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 2>of me constantly. I just kind of felt like I

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 2>was alone. But you get older and you realize that

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people are going through it, but nobody

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 2>really talks about it, so everybody feels like they're doing

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 2>it by themselves. Yeah, yeah, I'm on your mom's side.

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:52.159
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a great testament. I'm sorry I had

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 2>to go through that, And you know, the sweetness of

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 2>it is that, hey, look at me, I'm successful. The

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 2>sweetness is that you've been able to go through that

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 2>and you have the most valuable possible thing, which is

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:04.920
<v Speaker 2>empathy for that situation and perspective. Yeah, and you can't

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.160
<v Speaker 2>get those two things unless you've gone through that thing.

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:10.879
<v Speaker 2>And so for that, like, I hate it happened, but

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 2>you made it through it, and now you can make

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:16.960
<v Speaker 2>sure it doesn't happen for other people. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah,

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 2>and I think that you're one hundred percent right.

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 1>And it definitely did push me away from pursuing that

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 1>for the longest time. It was until really you know,

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.159
<v Speaker 1>COVID and that whole thing and I got on social media.

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.880
<v Speaker 1>But there was one more moment where when I went

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 1>to college, I brought my guitar with me and I

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:36.639
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like, you know, against bringing it because

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Okay, now I'm going to go to

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>college and I don't want to put up with the

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 1>same My mom was like, just bring it along. You know,

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 1>the chicks will love it. So I bring it, right

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 1>so I bring it along and I was playing in

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 1>my dorm room and it was super nice because the

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 1>I lived with seven other lacrosse players in a quad,

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:59.040
<v Speaker 1>and they were like, their way of saying you're good was, dude,

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 1>you're actually not bad like you actually said.

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 2>It's not yet exactly. You don't suck as bad as

0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I thought you would. Exactly. Yeah, pretty much.

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>And so then I was their little their little party

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 1>trick whenever we had, you know, women involved.

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 2>And stuff hanging out with us.

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it was small, little moments like that, And

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that the Good Lord was always putting seedlings

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:22.800
<v Speaker 1>out there for me. That music was something on my

0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 1>heart that it was going to be something that I

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 1>would eventually do.

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 2>So were you nervous, because I would have been the

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 2>very first time I'm recording myself to put it out

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 2>there republic, I'd have been like ooh, PTSD, almost like

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I I'm gonna because you're playing, that's great. Heckmit's phone

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:38.239
<v Speaker 2>would have come out whas playing. I'd be like, put

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 2>your phone down. I don't want to. I would feel

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 2>that just in me. So if you're posting a video

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:44.160
<v Speaker 2>of yourself singing, I would think that would kind of

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 2>come into play.

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 1>It definitely did, and I think that, you know, my

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 1>brain wanted to play tricks on me, and you're overthinking it,

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 1>overthinking it.

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Like am I really going to post this? Am I

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 2>really going to put myself back out there?

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>But it was one of those things where you know, post,

0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 1>don't even look at it, don't acknowledge it, put it away.

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>And that when I said, when I woke up the

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>next morning and I saw the reactions, I was like, oh,

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 1>like that's kind of cool, Like.

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 2>There's people out there that might enjoy what I do.

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 1>So then I took that And then it wasn't in

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>that exact moment where I was like, this is something

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:18.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do. It was just kind of like,

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 1>you know what, that was cool. I'll continue to post

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:24.719
<v Speaker 1>videos on social media in the meantime. Wow, I'm you know,

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>this will be my platform to start posting stuff for fun,

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:29.479
<v Speaker 1>taking classes whatever.

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Finished my junior year of college, Oh was the plan

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 2>because music wasn't quite there yet, but athletics was over

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 2>like that that purgatory, we'll call it purgatory. Yeah, well

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 2>what was the plan? Then?

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Purgatory for me was just focusing on the books on school,

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 1>and I think that at that time being I was

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>actually working with my dad. I sold cars for two years,

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 1>and sales has always been in my blood, from my

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 1>grandfather to my dad to me.

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 2>As my dad would like to say, shout out to

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Papa Bear.

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>We can wheel and deal, and We've always been really

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 1>good with just interact with people, and so I always

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>thought maybe I'd get into some form of medical sales

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:08.880
<v Speaker 1>or something of that sorts just interacting with people. Now

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm in the position of interacting with people all the time,

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 1>and now I get to sell my music and sell

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:18.120
<v Speaker 1>myself as a person. But that purgatory for me was

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>focusing on mental health, focusing on physical health, and the

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 1>gym became, you know, my safe place, and that's where

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 1>I spent a lot of my time. After all those concussions,

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know, I'm so sick of being small,

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:32.440
<v Speaker 1>whether it was now, when I develop a good body,

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I want to develop strength whatever, and kind of build

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 1>up myself to be able to stand on my own

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 1>two feet and feel good about myself. So that was

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of where I was at at that point in time,

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 1>super focused on lifting. But then after starting to post

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:46.719
<v Speaker 1>those videos.

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 2>What was the second song you posted?

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 1>Ah, that's a good question. What was the second song?

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 1>I know early on Chris Staples and was a lot.

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I was doing some whiskey Meyers, I was doing What

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 1>else did I do? Broken Halo might have been the

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 1>second one.

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 6>What was the biggest early The biggest early one, the

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:13.080
<v Speaker 6>one where I was like, Okay, there might be something

0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 6>here was my version of Nose on the Grindstone by

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:20.240
<v Speaker 6>Taller Childers, and that had seventy eight hundred thousand views,

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:20.840
<v Speaker 6>and that was.

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Kind of like, Okay, this, this could be something cool

0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:30.040
<v Speaker 1>to pursue. And at this time, in this duration of

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 1>just sporadically posting here and there, there was no thought process.

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 2>There was no watch you.

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 1>And when I continued to do this and post the covers,

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>there was people being like, what's your original music?

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 2>What are you writing? And I was like, had you

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 2>written any to know?

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm not a writer. I wasn't I wasn't

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:53.720
<v Speaker 1>supposed to know. I wouldn't know anything about the music industry.

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be straight up with you. My thought

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 1>process of the music industry. I thought you had to

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>go on American Idol to actually get into the music industry.

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I had knew nothing about this whole scene. No one

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 1>in my family was musician, musically talented, none of that,

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 1>so I never had any things to draw from to

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>know better. So like, hey, like, we want to know

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 1>your original music. So I was like, well, I don't

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:22.560
<v Speaker 1>do that, but okay. So then I started writing, tried

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>it out for a song I wrote was my song

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 1>on the run in my childhood bedroom. I went to

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 1>guitar Center, I bought two microphones, bought an interface, watched

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 1>a YouTube video on my laptop, plugged it all in

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 1>one take in my bedroom, just set it up.

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Had no idea what I was doing.

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 1>I literally just pressed record, no mixing, no mastering, nothing,

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 1>just recorded it, singing the song from top to bottom.

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 1>I must have done it ten times and I picked.

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 1>I remember the pick in the tenth one. I was like,

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty good. And uploading it. Had no idea what

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 1>you know people used tunecore and you know all these

0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>other things as independent artists.

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:57.240
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't even know how to get

0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>a song with Spotify. I was like, I don't even

0:33:59.000 --> 0:33:59.719
<v Speaker 2>know how people do that.

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 1>So I had to do all these things and learn

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 1>all these things to even get myself out there.

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 2>So I want to headed in that.

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:11.839
<v Speaker 1>And during this duration of time, my manager today had

0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 1>been reaching out to me for.

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Four months through like the DM.

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.480
<v Speaker 1>DM email trying to find my phone number. It was

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:20.920
<v Speaker 1>just trying to get a hold of me because he

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:24.399
<v Speaker 1>thought I was already being managed because of the way

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:27.799
<v Speaker 1>I was marketing myself, the way I was branding myself,

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 1>how I was controlling the fans from controlling, maybeout the

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 1>right word, but being like they were following me. They

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 1>weren't just followers passive followers on social media. They were like, Okay,

0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 1>we're going to go hear what you're putting on YouTube.

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 1>We're going to go listen to your song now on

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Spotify and Apple Music and YouTube. So he had already

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 1>thought I had a manager. I'm like, no, man, this

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 1>is this is just me doing the whole song and dance.

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Finally got a hold of me, and it wasn't until

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:56.399
<v Speaker 1>him and I spoke and we met.

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 2>How do you finally get a hold of you? He

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 2>got my phone number, and I wish I remember how

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 2>he told me.

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 1>He got it in a roundabout way, probably creepy, but

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 1>he got my phone number. Somehow calls me up and

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, who's this dude, Some bald guy from Nashville

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:12.320
<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk.

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:15.439
<v Speaker 2>To me forty two years old.

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I know nothing about Nashville, never been down there,

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 1>had rarely traveled besides what I did for lacrosse. And

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 1>he was just like, hey, man, I don't want to

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:26.240
<v Speaker 1>have a manager.

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to step on any toes.

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.279
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to reach out and just check in

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:31.840
<v Speaker 1>and see if you do or not, and see if

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 1>there's any way I could be of help.

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:37.359
<v Speaker 2>And I was like no. He's like, no, a tot all,

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:39.760
<v Speaker 2>no manager, and you can't help me. No, no, no,

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 2>no to manager.

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 1>And then I'm just again, no one knows anything about

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>the music indust true in my family. So I'm like, hey, Mom,

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 1>like there's this dude that wants to talk to me again.

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:51.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm twenty one at this point, so in college he

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 1>wants to talk to me about me become out of

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 1>Nashville to meet him, YadA YadA. So him and I

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 1>build a rapport on just phone calls and texts for

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 1>a month. It wasn't until I went down to meet him.

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 1>It's so funny. Man just this story, I go down

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:08.799
<v Speaker 1>and meet him. My first write in Nashville was when

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I wrote Ride the Lightning. First time being in Nashville.

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:13.759
<v Speaker 1>I wrote it in his guest bedroom. It was a

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:17.400
<v Speaker 1>zoom right with Eric Pasley and Rob Crosby. I'm nervous

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 1>as crap love Eric Pasley, amazing artist, amazing writer. I'm like, dude,

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:23.320
<v Speaker 1>I listened to you and now I'm going to be

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:24.520
<v Speaker 1>on a zoom call with you and I'm writing.

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what is this world? So we wrote Ride

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:30.439
<v Speaker 2>a Lightning and spend a week with him.

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:33.239
<v Speaker 1>I come back home, but he was the first dude

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 1>to tell me you have something and it's up to

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 1>you if you want to pursue this, you can do this.

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 1>He was the first person to tell me this is

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 1>something you can do. You have something special. Because my

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 1>parents didn't know better. You know, they just knew I

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:50.399
<v Speaker 1>could sing, but they didn't know like, this is something

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:54.359
<v Speaker 1>to pursue and whatnot. So I come back home and

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:56.319
<v Speaker 1>I was like, hey, man, I think you should really

0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:58.879
<v Speaker 1>fly back with me and meet my parents. I think

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a respectful thing to do. I just spent a

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 1>week with you in Nashville.

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 2>He didn't kill me. This is great. I'm still living

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:06.400
<v Speaker 2>here dating somebody. I'm like, yeah, long DN the relationship.

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.359
<v Speaker 2>You should come back. I'm I'm still living. I meet

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 2>the family. Yes.

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 1>So he comes back, and I remember on the flight back,

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, so remind me what you told me.

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 2>You're we're gonna go back.

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have my parents, and then you're gonna tell

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:20.319
<v Speaker 1>them I'm dropping out of college because I'm like, I

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:22.680
<v Speaker 1>hate school, I'm done with school. You're going to tell

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>them I'm dropping out. This is real because he went

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>through my dms with me. I had record labels and

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.760
<v Speaker 1>I had publishers in my dms and had no idea

0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 1>because I wasn't looking for it.

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Like I had no idea I was looking for the

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 2>hot blawns. I wasn't. I wasn't looking for you know,

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 2>and who even knows, like you said, in Hershire, Pennsylvania,

0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:47.959
<v Speaker 2>the music industry isn't taught at the level you would

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:50.840
<v Speaker 2>even know what a publisher is. I didn't know what

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 2>a publisher was, and I still barely that right. I mean, so,

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's not that crazy, I know, being in Nashville.

0:37:57.400 --> 0:37:58.520
<v Speaker 2>If you said that, you're like Oh, but it's not

0:37:58.520 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 2>that I come from a down a seven hundred pe

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 2>in Arkansas. Yeah, I know crap about music. Yeah, except

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:05.360
<v Speaker 2>for what I saw on television. And so what did

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 2>your parents say when this random guy shows up and

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 2>says your son's dropping out of college.

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:13.839
<v Speaker 1>They were shell shocked. My mom and dad. There was pushback.

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:16.080
<v Speaker 1>They're like, you're so close to graduating.

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Close.

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.720
<v Speaker 1>I think I was probably a little over a semester.

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 1>I was a little over a semester and that is close. Yes,

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.440
<v Speaker 1>and me I was. I did well in school, but

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:33.319
<v Speaker 1>it was never something that I was so I was

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 1>very just straight smarts, and I always did really well

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 1>in classes where I had the ability to use my talent.

0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 1>So I did really well in marketing and sales because

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 1>it was just it was just kind of like things

0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 1>you knew internally. It was in my blood. So long

0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 1>story short, comes back, we sit down, we have a

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:56.400
<v Speaker 1>nice meal, tells him and my mom was like, okay,

0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 1>so if you're this was your son, what would you say?

0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:01.280
<v Speaker 2>And he was this is his words.

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:02.839
<v Speaker 1>He was like, if my son was a talented as

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 1>your son, I would tell him, don't look back this.

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 1>You can always go back to school, this is something

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>you have a chance to do. And from that moment forward. Once,

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 1>like I said too early on the interview, when someone

0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 1>tells me I can do something, and when I believe

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 1>in it myself and I have the ability to put

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 1>everything I have into it, I will. I will go

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:23.720
<v Speaker 1>all in and I will do whatever it takes to succeed.

0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 1>And once he gave me that green light and I

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.760
<v Speaker 1>gave up school, dude, I was going. I was flying

0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 1>back and forth to Nashville every other week, week at

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:34.760
<v Speaker 1>a time, two weeks down there, writing, shaking hands, meeting people,

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 1>taking care of the socials.

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 2>I still manage my socials man like.

0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:42.279
<v Speaker 1>It's still me heavily, whether it's what I'm posting, what

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I want to say, commenting the fans, like, I'm still

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:48.919
<v Speaker 1>very heavily involved in that because that's what got me here,

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 1>and I still really want to be involved in that.

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:54.319
<v Speaker 2>So I love what I get to do.

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 1>It just took someone to come along the way to

0:39:56.560 --> 0:40:00.480
<v Speaker 1>be like, you can do this, and I'm glad he did.

0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 2>And he's still your manager. He's bold, he has both

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 2>throw that in there. I know where I had to

0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:10.360
<v Speaker 2>I had I didn't visualize it better. Once you said that,

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.359
<v Speaker 2>I thought, Okay, that's the only detail I remember. Yeah, yeah,

0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 2>there you go. And a picture is like bald, pasty,

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:17.319
<v Speaker 2>white head and I don't even know who it is.

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:20.959
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, the Bobby Cast will be right back.

0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:33.319
<v Speaker 2>M h. This is the Bobby Cast writing songs. How

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna say quickly, yeah, but I'm gonna I'll say,

0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:43.480
<v Speaker 2>how fast did you uh like acclimate to being in

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 2>a room with other people and sharing personal things to

0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:47.200
<v Speaker 2>be put into songs? You know?

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Man, It's it's like a muscle and you have to

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:53.319
<v Speaker 1>work it to get used to it. And and it

0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:55.720
<v Speaker 1>is a It is an intimidating thing. I mean, again,

0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>from a kid who knew nothing about this. I'm coming

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:02.480
<v Speaker 1>into town, new kid on the block, never a writer.

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>These dudes are people I've looked up to, great writers,

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 1>great artists who are writing with me. It's intimidating, very

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 1>much so. So it definitely took time. But what I'm

0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:19.680
<v Speaker 1>so grateful for is I was getting into the right

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 1>rooms of people being welcoming and it was very much

0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:25.839
<v Speaker 1>of like, we know you're new to this, so we're

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:29.000
<v Speaker 1>going to help you out. And it was an understanding

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:33.960
<v Speaker 1>of knowing I'm new and people believing into me early.

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 1>So I think it was really cool of just perfect

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:39.600
<v Speaker 1>storm getting in the right rooms with people that understood

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 1>what I was doing repetition and a lot of the

0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 1>writers that are on my debut album coming out are

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:48.200
<v Speaker 1>dudes that I've been writing with since I started in

0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 1>town and because they believed in me early on, and

0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 1>they just wanted to help me grow and just help

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 1>me get better doing this whole this whole thing I

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:57.719
<v Speaker 1>call a lifestyle, not even a job.

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.839
<v Speaker 2>It's a lifestyle. That's what we do. It's pretty cool

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:03.799
<v Speaker 2>that past lay is your first rite, Yeah, that you

0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 2>write ride the Lightning, I mean. And Eric's written only

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:10.279
<v Speaker 2>for breaks your Heart. You like young band, Barefoot, Blue

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 2>g Night, Jacob and Friday Night. His song that was

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 2>number one. I think you want to Cma for she

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Don't Love You. She just loved that song. Yeah, awesome song,

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 2>that song. And but you may not know, which probably

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:23.640
<v Speaker 2>you probably do because everybody knows the song in the

0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:25.800
<v Speaker 2>whole world because it's a massive hit. Eric and I

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:28.440
<v Speaker 2>wrote a kid song together called When I Grow Up

0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:38.360
<v Speaker 2>that had just tens of streams. Here you go, Thank you,

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Mike A. Little past lay Jim there, you've heard vocals

0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:47.360
<v Speaker 2>like that before, exactly exactly, no words. How many streams

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 2>does it have? Like, honestly, I don't see it on

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 2>this service. That's probably ten million every probably crushes Ride

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:53.480
<v Speaker 2>the Lightning, I think about a billion. Yeah, oh yeah,

0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 2>it was the first billion billion stream kids song. So yeah,

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 2>not desires. I'm just letting you know, buddy, you've done

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 2>one hundred shows. Now, that's that's you're putting that. I

0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 2>mean you that's muscle memory there right, Like things are

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:07.319
<v Speaker 2>going wrong enough that you don't have to freak out

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:09.680
<v Speaker 2>about I'm going wrong. I mean that's me on stage

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:11.480
<v Speaker 2>on a stand up. I was scared to death, not

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:14.000
<v Speaker 2>of at first of my jokes just bombing because that

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 2>was going to happen anyway, but it was like, technically

0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 2>what if some went wrong? But once it goes wrong

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:19.880
<v Speaker 2>a few times and you're like, oh, what worst cases

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 2>this can happen? And then you actually get better because

0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 2>you've gone through some crap on stage, you don't worry

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 2>about the crap as much anymore. And one hundred shows.

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 2>When I read that you did one hundred shows, I'm like, oh,

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:32.319
<v Speaker 2>he's had enough mess up, so he's probably pretty comfortable now,

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 2>it's just getting on stage and letting it go. Yeah,

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:35.279
<v Speaker 2>any accuracy there with that.

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:38.160
<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent. I think that it's like you said,

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:42.920
<v Speaker 1>it's repetition. It's getting used to the uncontrollable. There's just

0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:47.000
<v Speaker 1>there's too many factors that you can't control, and I'm

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 1>just shy. Just passed a little bit of one hundred Now.

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 1>One hundredth show was Stagecoach, which was a lot of

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 1>fun and but yeah, I think my first show ever

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:02.399
<v Speaker 1>it was It was funny. It was my acoustic tour

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 1>last year in March. First time I was stepping on

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 1>a stage, first time stepping on a stage. Man, I

0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:08.919
<v Speaker 1>was from seven hundred people for a sold out show

0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:12.120
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, holy shit, I'm actually about to

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:12.440
<v Speaker 1>do this.

0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:14.359
<v Speaker 2>Was it weird that people came for you and paid

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:17.080
<v Speaker 2>money for you, specifically you're selling your tickets. Yeah, I

0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 2>think that that was the first couple of times, right, Yeah,

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:21.239
<v Speaker 2>you're like, I have seven hundred people here.

0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you're so especially coming from the social media thing,

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:27.440
<v Speaker 1>you see the numbers on the phone, You're like, okay,

0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:28.120
<v Speaker 1>like that's cool.

0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, the real eyeballs that paid, real money.

0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, now they're there time energy, merch their time, they're

0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 1>buying drinks, they're having a great time, and no one's

0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:39.800
<v Speaker 1>forcing them to sing the words and they're singing word

0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:41.880
<v Speaker 1>for word at the top of their lungs. And it's like,

0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I was so nervous taken that stage, and there was

0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:47.920
<v Speaker 1>so many thoughts going through my head. And when I

0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:50.760
<v Speaker 1>tell you, things could have went wrong, things went wrong.

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Vocal Mike's not working, feedback from the wedge that wasn't

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:57.400
<v Speaker 1>getting fixed for four or five songs, like just having

0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:01.280
<v Speaker 1>to and I think I'm so grateful for the sports background,

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:04.960
<v Speaker 1>just having to acclimate in uncomfortable situations, and I think

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 1>being in uncomfortable situations all the time, you get so

0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 1>used to being uncomfortable and it just makes you a

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:16.080
<v Speaker 1>better person for the uncontrollable. So it was after that

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:18.880
<v Speaker 1>night though, that first show I played, people ask me

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 1>like when did you know, Like when did you know

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.920
<v Speaker 1>this was like your thing? You know, you write the music,

0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 1>you got the songs coming out, you're streaming, it's a

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:28.839
<v Speaker 1>crazy it's cool, you're posting social media videos. But that night,

0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>after playing my first show, it was like, Yep, this

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:33.799
<v Speaker 1>is what I was born to do.

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Was it a high when you were done?

0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:38.560
<v Speaker 1>It was a high like no other. And there's just

0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:41.560
<v Speaker 1>there's And you can attest to this too. There's no

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 1>feeling like going out there in such loud crowds and

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 1>seeing the faces and shaking the hands and seeing the

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:51.680
<v Speaker 1>signs and seeing them saying word for word, or just

0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:54.400
<v Speaker 1>laughing to your jokes, whatever it might be. It is

0:45:54.480 --> 0:46:00.440
<v Speaker 1>just like it's a unreal feeling of just the heart,

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the passion, the people, the way they resonate with songs.

0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 1>You write a song one way and they take it

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:08.480
<v Speaker 1>another way. But that's the beauty of music. It's you

0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:10.839
<v Speaker 1>take songs and fit them into your life the way

0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:11.359
<v Speaker 1>you need them.

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 2>To tell me about Pretty Little Poison? The name first, yep,

0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:19.560
<v Speaker 2>why why the name pretty Little Poison? Is that about me?

0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Be honest, you.

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:23.359
<v Speaker 4>Wanted to be about you? I don't actually go ahead,

0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:28.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't think you do. Actually pretty Little Poison? So

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 4>I wrote that song? Well, how long did I write

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 4>that song?

0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Already I was in the room, and that day I

0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:39.160
<v Speaker 2>just had on my I had on my mind.

0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:41.720
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I would love to write a darker

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:44.560
<v Speaker 1>themed love song because as you can I'm sure see

0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:46.279
<v Speaker 1>from some of the music that I have out very

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:50.760
<v Speaker 1>minory keys, you know that outlaw feeling dark sense.

0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:56.080
<v Speaker 2>To me minor for those listening. Minor usually dark, sad, somber, major, bright, fun.

0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Happy yeses and I love I love the major keys.

0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Think it's very on brand for what I do. But

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 1>when it came to writing Pretty Little Poison, I was like,

0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a song title, but I'm like, just conceptually,

0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:11.399
<v Speaker 1>we started talking about this idea in the room and

0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 1>shout out to Ryan Beaver. He's got a couple songs.

0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I love Ryan Beaver too, such a sweetheart

0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:17.440
<v Speaker 1>of a dude, Like.

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:19.960
<v Speaker 2>It's so good as a and a singer, Like I

0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 2>love his music too. Yep. Yeah, And he was one

0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 2>of the first.

0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:24.879
<v Speaker 1>He's one of the dudes early on to buy into

0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:27.759
<v Speaker 1>me and you know, helped me form myself into what

0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I am now and ever growing. But he's got a

0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:34.040
<v Speaker 1>couple songs on the debut album, Pretty Little Poison. But

0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:36.000
<v Speaker 1>when it came to writing pretty Little Poison, he came

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 1>up with pretty Poison. I was like, I love the piece,

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:41.239
<v Speaker 1>I love the alliteration. I was like, what if we

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:44.360
<v Speaker 1>wrote pretty Little poison and it was from that moment,

0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:48.000
<v Speaker 1>just the word little it just made a click for us.

0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:51.720
<v Speaker 1>We wrote that song so fast, it just fell together.

0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:55.120
<v Speaker 1>And when we're done writing it, we got a demo

0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:56.279
<v Speaker 1>and I wrote the demo.

0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:57.400
<v Speaker 2>I sang the demo twice.

0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:00.720
<v Speaker 1>I got the demo back that we and I remember

0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 1>when I got it, I said it to my manager.

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I sent it to my ar dude, and I was like,

0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:08.400
<v Speaker 1>this song is something special and it was one of

0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 1>those moments where you know you get a song like

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:12.440
<v Speaker 1>this is a good song.

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 2>It was. I believed it. When I got that song back,

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:17.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this is something that's going.

0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 1>To be heard, and yeah, that song is. It actually

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:25.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of is a dark song if you actually listen

0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:28.359
<v Speaker 1>to the lyrics and what it truly represents and what

0:48:28.400 --> 0:48:29.480
<v Speaker 1>I've explained.

0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:32.279
<v Speaker 2>It to be. But wrote it is the album dark

0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:35.600
<v Speaker 2>than it's got hints of it for sure.

0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:38.799
<v Speaker 1>The overall ching arching theme I like to talk about

0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:41.200
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the album and why we called

0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:45.760
<v Speaker 1>it pretty Little Poison was that's our focus that song.

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.160
<v Speaker 1>But the overarching theme if you've watched you've seen the

0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:52.560
<v Speaker 1>music video by chance for Pretty Little Poison, it's okay if.

0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:55.759
<v Speaker 2>You have no I wouldn't lie. Don't If you get

0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:57.319
<v Speaker 2>a chance to watch it, I'd love it if you did.

0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:01.080
<v Speaker 1>But you never see the girl's face in the music video,

0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:03.719
<v Speaker 1>and it's supposed to represent this. I like to say

0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:07.200
<v Speaker 1>the faceless Cowgirl because the songs in this album are

0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:09.759
<v Speaker 1>about some women along the way in my life. Whether

0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:13.840
<v Speaker 1>it's my life personally, it's friends, life's overall arching stories

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:17.359
<v Speaker 1>that I've heard from mothers as well, but a lot

0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:20.000
<v Speaker 1>of them hit home for me. But I wanted to

0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:24.439
<v Speaker 1>have that ideology of the faceless cowgirl. And you can,

0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:26.480
<v Speaker 1>whether you're dude or whether you're a girl, it's a

0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:27.520
<v Speaker 1>faceless cowboy whatever.

0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:29.200
<v Speaker 2>You can put yourself into those shoes.

0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:32.080
<v Speaker 1>But the overall arching theme for Party Little Poison itself,

0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:35.640
<v Speaker 1>whether it's a female, it's going back to something in

0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 1>life that you know is not good for you, you love

0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:41.319
<v Speaker 1>it that much. It's the temptress. It's this thing that

0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:43.480
<v Speaker 1>you know really deep down is not good for you,

0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:45.759
<v Speaker 1>but it just it's it's just that good that you

0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:46.520
<v Speaker 1>can't let it go.

0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Pop tarts For me, it's pop tarts, whatever it may be.

0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:54.799
<v Speaker 2>Your points is a cowgirl part. Yeah, Hey, I'm glad.

0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:57.279
<v Speaker 2>I know I shouldn't eat them, but I do, and

0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:00.640
<v Speaker 2>I keep rocking on brown Sugar guy at all. No, Yeah,

0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:03.400
<v Speaker 2>that's okay, they're okay. I'll lead them through the last one. Okay.

0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:05.839
<v Speaker 2>But brown Sugar and then Coffee went are disgusting too.

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:07.919
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, back to you, it's about you, only about

0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:09.839
<v Speaker 2>me occasionally. But no.

0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the like I said, it's it's this thing that

0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:16.040
<v Speaker 1>you can't say no to, and it's just it's that sweet.

0:50:16.120 --> 0:50:18.399
<v Speaker 1>And I think that when I wrote it at that time,

0:50:18.640 --> 0:50:21.160
<v Speaker 1>I would like to joke that I spoke this song

0:50:21.200 --> 0:50:24.200
<v Speaker 1>into fruition, like I spoke this song into existence. I

0:50:24.239 --> 0:50:25.680
<v Speaker 1>thought when we were writing it, I was like, oh,

0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:28.120
<v Speaker 1>I've been here before. Because me and Ryan were going

0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:29.719
<v Speaker 1>back and forth. He's like, dude, I've had this before,

0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:31.320
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, yeah, I feel like I've definitely

0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:32.120
<v Speaker 1>had it.

0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:34.200
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't until after I wrote this song that I

0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:37.560
<v Speaker 2>truly knew what a pretty little poison was. I spoke

0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:40.120
<v Speaker 2>that song into existence man, and I went, so, you

0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:43.239
<v Speaker 2>manifested manifested poison in your life. Oh yeah, I'm gonna

0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:45.400
<v Speaker 2>leave it there, but you manifested the poison YEP. And

0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I hope. Sure you weren't searching for it purposefully, so

0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:52.480
<v Speaker 2>I hear you say no more. Yep, yep, probably was.

0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:55.799
<v Speaker 2>So the sample of the four songs that I had

0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:59.560
<v Speaker 2>and heard, that's the Pretty Little Poison sampler. It's the EP.

0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:01.719
<v Speaker 2>But and there's when I asked about Prety Little Pison

0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 2>that this the whole album. I'm gonna be named that too, right, Yep,

0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:05.800
<v Speaker 2>got it. Well, Look, let's play a clip that I

0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:07.120
<v Speaker 2>know we talked about it before you got here, mic,

0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:09.240
<v Speaker 2>but let's play a little bit of Pretty Little Poison,

0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Little Poison.

0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 4>Genous.

0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:23.919
<v Speaker 2>Just I'm excited for you, man. You know, it's it's

0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:27.440
<v Speaker 2>cool to see not just how you did it, but

0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 2>what you're doing with what you did in the direction

0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:34.560
<v Speaker 2>that you're going still, because it's different, honestly, you know,

0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:38.520
<v Speaker 2>it's different, and in a time where a lot of homogenization,

0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:41.719
<v Speaker 2>no doubt about it. There's a reason we wanted to

0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:43.520
<v Speaker 2>talk to you. Reason I wanted to talk to you, Yeah,

0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:45.799
<v Speaker 2>like I like to watch how you're doing it and

0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:49.839
<v Speaker 2>congratulations on everything. And I think there's also a lot

0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:52.840
<v Speaker 2>to be said about being uncomfortable, and if you're uncomfortable,

0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of the time that when you're uncomfortable again,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a shock to the system, and that for me,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes the comfortable times on most uncomfortable. I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>honest with you where I'm like, this feels too good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>something bad and sometimes that's unhealthy and I gotta stop that.

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<v Speaker 2>The one it is good, I'm questioning it. But now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that, and I'm I was super happy when

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<v Speaker 1>I figured out that. You know, I was wondering if

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<v Speaker 1>you ever want to have a conversation with me, But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really I'm really happy you did and you brought

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<v Speaker 1>me on because I'm happy to hear that I'm not crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I'm doing it a different way, and

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of knew when I was making this approach

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<v Speaker 1>and taking this way.

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<v Speaker 2>Me and my manager were like, you know, you will help.

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<v Speaker 1>You will have a certain time going through this process

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<v Speaker 1>because of the way you want to approach.

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<v Speaker 2>The same way that you were bullied, and you learn

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<v Speaker 2>so many things about well all of it. You're going

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<v Speaker 2>through it a different way. You're gonna learn there are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a lot of haters too that are not

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<v Speaker 2>just you, but anybody that does it differently, And I

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<v Speaker 2>could list four or five artists that have done it differently,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden they're the worst. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>they're not country there's and then all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 2>what they were doing pop so hard it became the norm.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I'm doing is kind of seeing this again

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<v Speaker 2>with how you're doing it, where nobody's hating on you

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<v Speaker 2>for your vocals or your image or anything, but you

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<v Speaker 2>are doing it in a bit of different way. But

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<v Speaker 2>also that's very legitimate, and that's that's what's different about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it. Keep your head down, keep pushing. I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta tell you that you're already going to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you know me now, Yeah, big big fan

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. You guys follow Warren. It's just on Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>and TikTok. It's just warn ziders and Jennifer of March, April, May, June, July.

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<v Speaker 2>I alstill go to dor Fingers August twenty fifth, it's when

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty Little Poison comes out, you know, all the months

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<v Speaker 2>my number ten no okay, oh wait hold on, well no,

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<v Speaker 2>if you look up in the sky, I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of my fingers, I know, twelfth December, right, twelve is December.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that way. Yeah. I can go like five

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<v Speaker 2>deep May and then I lose it until about November

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<v Speaker 2>eleven and twelve. So you guys follow warm big fan,

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<v Speaker 2>really keep it up and really been great talking to you.

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<v Speaker 2>There is warren Ziders everybody. Thanks for listening to Bobby

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