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Speaker 1: I wouldn't go back in time and change a thing

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Speaker 1: because I think that I keep that with me as

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Speaker 1: a fuel of source. And I'm happy that kind of

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Speaker 2: Welcome to episode four oh six with Warren Ziders Mike.

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Speaker 2: After we finished this interview, my trainer who comes over

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Speaker 2: to the house, Kevin Klug, he saw Warren walk out.

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Speaker 2: Warren's pretty big dude, big dude, you know, former athlete.

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Speaker 3: Played what's that support?

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Speaker 2: They throw the lacrosse? Okay, yes, lacrosse and not cokay, yes.

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Speaker 2: So he was like, was that Warren Zeyders? I said yeah,

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Speaker 2: And what he knew of Warren Zeider's was he said, Oh,

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Speaker 2: he's the guy that figured out the algorithm.

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Speaker 3: And I said, what do you mean? He said, I

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Speaker 3: watched some of his stuff online.

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Speaker 2: I like it, but he's known because he figured it out,

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Speaker 2: Like he was smart enough to know how to use

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Speaker 2: TikTok and not only be real good, but implement like

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Speaker 2: the perfect strategy to blow up pack the system. And

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Speaker 2: I s really goes, yeah, so what do you what

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Speaker 2: do you know about the because I don't know. That's what

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Speaker 2: everybody says, like he's the one that figured it out.

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Speaker 2: So did you know I didn't know that. I didn't

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Speaker 2: know that now. Yeah, So I liked warn not really

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Speaker 2: what I expected, but in the best way because his

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Speaker 2: pictures he looks, I don't know, like he would brand uts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I thought he was gonna come in like spit on

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Speaker 3: the floor, yea, throw some things.

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Speaker 2: Around, really warm, really nice guy. I mean he left

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Speaker 2: and I was like, dang, I like that dude. So Warrensiders,

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Speaker 2: let's tell you a little bit about him. His debut album,

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Speaker 2: Pretty Little Poison, comes out eight twenty five. Let me

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Speaker 2: do a finger Jani March, April, May, Junejuly August twenty fifth.

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Speaker 2: Got it. So the sampler is already out, and here's

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Speaker 2: a little clip of Pretty Little Poison for more Inxiders

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Speaker 2: right now. Geez MOBOs Ride the Lightning became a big hit,

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Speaker 3: Here's a clip of that one.

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Speaker 2: Because when the.

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Speaker 1: Class tracks Mann don't alrad.

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Speaker 2: On tour through November fifteen to go to Warren Ziders

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Speaker 2: dot com, z I D E r s dot com.

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Speaker 3: He's out with a thousand horses. He's twenty four. I

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Speaker 3: thought he was a little older, young guy. Yeah, just

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Speaker 3: a kid from Hershey, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: Music, as he talks about, was not a massive part

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Speaker 2: of his household. You know, he's saying in church like

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Speaker 2: I mean he had some real some real injury type

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Speaker 2: pretty dicey with him.

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Speaker 3: But here he is.

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Speaker 2: Follow him on Instagram and TikTok at warren Zeider's z

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Speaker 2: E I D E r s and here he is

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Speaker 2: our time with Warren Zeiders. Nice watch you got there?

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 1: That new No, it's actually not it's a probably fifteen

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Speaker 2: It was my dad's. I'm assuming it. It's from here.

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Speaker 2: It looks like a Rolex real legs yep. Yeah. I

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Speaker 2: mean I only recently started to get them because I've

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Speaker 2: when I start to make it, I'm gonna get one.

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Speaker 2: I got like seven now and I gotta stop. But

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Speaker 2: I just saw a Rolex walk in, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: about watches? Because I don't. I don't either.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, this was my dad's and it was

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Speaker 2: It looks good, it's solid. I've had a lot of

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Speaker 2: You tell me if it's good enough to buy it

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Speaker 1: No, I think there's something I'll hold on to and

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Speaker 1: But I didn't graduate college. I signed a record deal instead.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, do I still get

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Speaker 2: That's funny. You know, you're a lot smilier than I

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Speaker 2: it's good or bad, but hearing your music, seeing press

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Speaker 2: Instead, you're still that dude and you're ripped and you're

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Speaker 2: I like to think I'm I think pretty friendly. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised, not that you're friendly, but you're just very happy.

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Speaker 1: Give me your last seventy two hours, last seventy two hours. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we're on Let's day, Monday now, Yeah, I lean

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Speaker 2: Yep, my bad. We're on Monday now, so you already

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Speaker 1: It's my first one, first time ever being there as

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Speaker 1: But between I played Riverfront on Thursday and then I

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Speaker 2: Super sweetheart of a human being.

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Speaker 1: Him and I had just recently met at the softball game,

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Speaker 1: Then did that and then got in yesterday morning, and

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Speaker 2: And then now here we are. How many of those

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Speaker 2: Neither did I. But here we are.

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Speaker 1: We're doing pretty well so far. But I brought him

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Speaker 1: And it's nice having somebody from back home that I

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Speaker 2: That's been a big priority for me through my career too.

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Speaker 2: Like Mike here was an intern for me. Way he

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Speaker 2: I mean it's for them too. It really was for

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Speaker 2: that's happening with you here too. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think as long as you're comfortable in doing what

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Speaker 2: And my parents are also very heavily involved.

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Speaker 1: I was raised in a family with businesses, and my

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Speaker 2: my mom's actually my business manager. Okay, now we're talking. YEP.

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Speaker 2: I struggled with hiring a business manager because again I

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Speaker 2: But then what had happened? And I think you're seeing

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Speaker 2: So I got agents ten percent, I got managed at

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Speaker 2: So it was weird for me to hire someone because

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Speaker 2: But if it's your mom, I feel like I would.

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Speaker 2: I'd be pretty trusting if as my mom too, especially

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Speaker 2: if she has again the business acumen that you talk about.

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Speaker 1: Yep yep CPAs she likes to say to me, she's overqualified.

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Speaker 2: But she takes great care of me.

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Speaker 1: And there's no one else I would trust in the

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Speaker 2: Just have my back. Where do you live now? I'm

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Speaker 2: actually down here now, So Nashville's home. How long has

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's been probably nine months to a year.

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Speaker 2: That's it, huh.

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Speaker 1: But by the time I got down here, you know,

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Speaker 1: time to start touring so that I'm never around. But

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Speaker 1: it's been great. To me, I'm in and out, you know, writing,

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Speaker 1: touring management. Everyone likes to keep me busy and I

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Speaker 2: So it's been good whenever you do things like CMA

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Speaker 2: Week and it's consistent, you're going from event to event

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Speaker 2: or event to show. Are you feeling we'll call it love.

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Speaker 2: Are you feeling love consistently now for your music and

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Speaker 2: who you are? I think so.

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Speaker 1: I think that you know, you joked around when I

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Speaker 2: all right, Now they get to come to shows. It's

438
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Speaker 2: all different. Now my mom gets some manage my money

439
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Speaker 2: and they get to watch and se how much money

440
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Speaker 2: you're spending too. With mine. I'll call and be like, hey,

441
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Speaker 2: can I get this. You'll have those calls soon. And

442
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,000
Speaker 2: sometimes you'll call and go, did you just buy this?

443
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Speaker 2: And it's not my mom, but I'm like, uh, I forgot.

444
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,119
Speaker 2: You can see everything. I'm lying. But yeah, now your

445
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Speaker 2: mom's going to be be doing making those calls.

446
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Speaker 1: I'm actually really glad because she's kept me, you know, nice,

447
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Speaker 1: and you know, on straight and narrow, and you know,

448
00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,399
Speaker 1: the money that I've spent has been nothing, but you know,

449
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 1: good resources investing in real estate and everything, and you know,

450
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Speaker 1: good assets.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's guys like you that I really hate

454
00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,240
Speaker 2: because you're a great athlete and now you're killing it music.

455
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,320
Speaker 2: It's like you have all the talents that I never had.

456
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,360
Speaker 2: It's like God was looking up and he was like, okay,

457
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 2: let's equally put out all these talents. And he like

458
00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 2: stumbled and fell and like threw some of you guys

459
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,640
Speaker 2: all of it and it went right over my head.

460
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,119
Speaker 2: And so I say that and I'm completely serious. But

461
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,120
Speaker 2: other than that, here you are. Now you're killing it musically.

462
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 2: So when did music start for you? In a way

463
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,120
Speaker 2: of Hey, I think if I invest my time into

464
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 2: this like I did. It could be athletics, it could

465
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 2: be school. Whatever it is, I think I can well

466
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 2: at least have a shot to have a shot. When

467
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 2: did that start to happen?

468
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Speaker 1: So the short version of was music was always a

469
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: part of my life, but it was never something that

470
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 1: I invested heavily, right too, because it was always athletics.

471
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 2: Did you sing though, young?

472
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Speaker 1: I did, but it was never I was never in

473
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Speaker 1: a band. I was never in the church choir, you know.

474
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 2: I was neighbor plays. Did you ever sing on do

475
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 2: a show? Publicly? Didn't even know you could sing? Family, Family,

476
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 2: and friends.

477
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Speaker 1: I was the dude, Hey Warren, go grab your guitar

478
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 1: and play around the bonfire, you know what I mean.

479
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 1: I took a couple of lessons in middle school, but

480
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: I was always so focused on sports that I never

481
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 1: put the time and energy into the learning, you know,

482
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 1: the proper technique whatever you want to call it.

483
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 2: Whenever I wanted to learn something, I just go to YouTube.

484
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 2: I look at the courts sweat equity itself. Yeah right,

485
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 2: you don't have the time for that because you're put

486
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Speaker 2: it in something else. Yep.

487
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 1: So the frame of mind was when COVID hit and

488
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Speaker 1: I'm an extrovert. I gotta be doing something. I just

489
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: gave up lacrosse. Now I'm back home. I transferred schools.

490
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm living under mom and Dad's roof again. We're confined

491
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 1: to the walls of our home. I'm like, I'm going nuts.

492
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: And so my outlet was hop on social media, and

493
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 1: you know, while I'm in between taking classes and you know,

494
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: online zooms, I'm just going to start posting videos and

495
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,439
Speaker 1: myself for fun of just singing songs that I like

496
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: and stuff that I'm listening to right now. First one

497
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 1: I put out on TikTok and Instagram was a cover

498
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: of Tennessee Whiskey, and people were like, who's this dude?

499
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: Like this is cool? Wake up the next morning It's

500
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 1: got three hundred thousand views. I'm like, what, Like that

501
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: was so big to me from first video posting on

502
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,439
Speaker 1: social media of me singing, like, that's a pretty big number.

503
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 2: Were you shy to sing, let's say five years ago,

504
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 2: ten years ago, even you knew you could do it

505
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 2: a little bit? And they said Warren was the guy

506
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 2: with a guitar. Were you also the guy? We're like, yes,

507
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: you're all sing or were we like I don't know.

508
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 2: I think you know.

509
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: Actually I'm glad you bring that up because I haven't

510
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: really touched on this much in interviews.

511
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 2: But I was actually bullied. I was.

512
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Speaker 1: I was an athlete, and in middle school I always

513
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 1: loved to sing, didn't matter whether if it was country,

514
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 1: whether it was rock, justin Bieber Christian music, whatever it was,

515
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 1: there was a song that I was connected to. I

516
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: just was humming it in the car, I was humming

517
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: it on the lacrosse field. I was always singing something.

518
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Speaker 1: But in middle school there was these two girls that

519
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: I had a crush on, and we got a Christmas party,

520
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: had a guitar, and they wanted me to sing. Hadn't

521
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: hit Puper deal yet, so voice sounded a certain way

522
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 1: and they videoed it, and surely enough it lived on

523
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: YouTube for years and years. So I got to high

524
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Speaker 1: school after three years of middle school of being berated.

525
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: About this video. Why we're making fun of you for

526
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 2: the video? I think it was because of maybe the

527
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: way I sounded jealousy though, could you sing yeah? Like

528
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: there are people that sound terrible that don't get made

529
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Speaker 2: fun of. And this is my point, Yeah, if you

530
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 2: just sounded bad, I don't think anybody's gonna saything to

531
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Speaker 2: you because most people sound bad. Yeah, so it must

532
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: be in a way a sense of jealousy, because why

533
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 2: would you pick on somebody who just sounded bad unless

534
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 2: you're picking on somebody who sounds pretty good and you're

535
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 2: a little jealous that you don't have some sort of talent.

536
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 2: I got the crap beat out of me as a kid,

537
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: So like when you say that stuff, yeah, I go, huh,

538
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: let's evaluate and really get it in the So you

539
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: sounded weird, but could you hold a tune? Could you

540
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 2: stay likecky? Oh? Yeah, so they're jealous of you anyway?

541
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: Go ahead. Yeah.

542
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: So I think that that was a part of it,

543
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: and I think that's like what my parents kind of

544
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: taught me to. And you know, I I wouldn't go

545
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: back in time and change a thing because I think

546
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: that I keep that with me as a fuel of source.

547
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: And I'm happy that kind of happened to me because

548
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: it made my skin thicker. How would they bully well,

549
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: I think honestly, dude, I'd be in class and we'd

550
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: have a school project and these kids would put it,

551
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: put the video in their project and play it in

552
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: front of everybody, and it was like a thing that

553
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: they were yeah at any at any turn they could

554
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: get and it kind of, you know, pushed me away

555
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: from the whole music thing and probably pushed me away

556
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: from putting stuff on social media years and years ago.

557
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: And then it really got bad when I got to

558
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Speaker 1: high school and it was my first day as a

559
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Speaker 1: freshman for lacrosse tryouts as a freshman, and we were

560
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: getting ready to do workouts, and surely enough they put

561
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: the video on the speakers, over the loud speakers. The

562
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: same kids, no older kids, because kids in my class

563
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: told their older brothers on the team got about this video,

564
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: and surely enough, again try to get into my skin,

565
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: try to get in my psyche, the whole thing.

566
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: And it was kind of like at every turn, man.

567
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: Whether it was a school project, whether it was over

568
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: the speakers, whether it was on the bus after a game,

569
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 1: trying to play the video. Like I think the kids

570
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: just tried to find an angle to come at me.

571
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: I like to think I'm a pretty, you know, decent dude.

572
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: I like to think I'm decent looking, you know, I

573
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: have a charm to me. I hold myself a certain way,

574
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: but I think that they tried to find a weak

575
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Speaker 1: point in you know, on my side, and figure out

576
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: if they could get to me.

577
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 2: But again, I look.

578
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: Back and I'm happy it happened because it makes all

579
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: of this that much better.

580
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, why didn't you go to the girls? But

581
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: I take the freaking video down. So I tried to.

582
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: I did for the long time, and they were like,

583
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: we don't remember the past word we did this. You know,

584
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: you try to file a thing on it, whatever it is,

585
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: this isn't me.

586
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: Try to take it down and it just nothing. I

587
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: hate that. I hate dad to go through that.

588
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did suck, but you know, like I said,

589
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: it happened for a reason, and life goes on.

590
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: And they're eating it right now because you're killing it.

591
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: They're eating it like play. Next time you go home,

592
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: you put the video up.

593
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: Well, so it's funny you bring that up. My mom,

594
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: she took it much more to heart than I did.

595
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: I never had those parents, and I was never that

596
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: dude who was like, I'm gonna get my mom and

597
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: dad involved. I was like, I'll handle my own stuff.

598
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: I'll take care of it. It's fine. I'm focused on lacrosse,

599
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: and I think that that was a big thing too

600
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: that bothered them that I never let them see me sweat.

601
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: My dad always said that, and I was just I

602
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: was a pretty good lacrosse player too, so I think

603
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: that that didn't help that I was getting playtime over

604
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: some older.

605
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: Kids as a sophomore.

606
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: You're in as a freshman, so like also, you know

607
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: what I mean, So like they anything you can find.

608
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: I'd be playing your video too if I was a

609
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: senior in your.

610
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: Trying to find someone's weak point. But like you said,

611
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: it makes it that much sweeter. But my mom said,

612
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: when you come back to Hershey and you play the

613
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: Hershey Park Stadium, I think we should put that video

614
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: completely agree up on the video walls.

615
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: Not only for you, but for all the other es

616
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: that are ten fifteen years younger than you that are

617
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: there watching it that night. Because again, as someone who

618
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: got bullied a lot, I got the crap beat out

619
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: of me constantly. I just kind of felt like I

620
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: was alone. But you get older and you realize that

621
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: a lot of people are going through it, but nobody

622
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: really talks about it, so everybody feels like they're doing

623
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: it by themselves. Yeah, yeah, I'm on your mom's side.

624
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 2: I think it's a great testament. I'm sorry I had

625
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: to go through that, And you know, the sweetness of

626
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: it is that, hey, look at me, I'm successful. The

627
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: sweetness is that you've been able to go through that

628
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: and you have the most valuable possible thing, which is

629
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: empathy for that situation and perspective. Yeah, and you can't

630
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: get those two things unless you've gone through that thing.

631
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: And so for that, like, I hate it happened, but

632
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: you made it through it, and now you can make

633
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: sure it doesn't happen for other people. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah,

634
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: and I think that you're one hundred percent right.

635
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: And it definitely did push me away from pursuing that

636
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: for the longest time. It was until really you know,

637
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: COVID and that whole thing and I got on social media.

638
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: But there was one more moment where when I went

639
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: to college, I brought my guitar with me and I

640
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: was kind of like, you know, against bringing it because

641
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, now I'm going to go to

642
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: college and I don't want to put up with the

643
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: same My mom was like, just bring it along. You know,

644
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: the chicks will love it. So I bring it, right

645
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: so I bring it along and I was playing in

646
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: my dorm room and it was super nice because the

647
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: I lived with seven other lacrosse players in a quad,

648
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: and they were like, their way of saying you're good was, dude,

649
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: you're actually not bad like you actually said.

650
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: It's not yet exactly. You don't suck as bad as

651
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: I thought you would. Exactly. Yeah, pretty much.

652
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: And so then I was their little their little party

653
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: trick whenever we had, you know, women involved.

654
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: And stuff hanging out with us.

655
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was small, little moments like that, And

656
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: I think that the Good Lord was always putting seedlings

657
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: out there for me. That music was something on my

658
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: heart that it was going to be something that I

659
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: would eventually do.

660
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: So were you nervous, because I would have been the

661
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: very first time I'm recording myself to put it out

662
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: there republic, I'd have been like ooh, PTSD, almost like

663
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: I I'm gonna because you're playing, that's great. Heckmit's phone

664
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 2: would have come out whas playing. I'd be like, put

665
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: your phone down. I don't want to. I would feel

666
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: that just in me. So if you're posting a video

667
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: of yourself singing, I would think that would kind of

668
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: come into play.

669
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: It definitely did, and I think that, you know, my

670
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: brain wanted to play tricks on me, and you're overthinking it,

671
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: overthinking it.

672
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: Like am I really going to post this? Am I

673
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: really going to put myself back out there?

674
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: But it was one of those things where you know, post,

675
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: don't even look at it, don't acknowledge it, put it away.

676
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: And that when I said, when I woke up the

677
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: next morning and I saw the reactions, I was like, oh,

678
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: like that's kind of cool, Like.

679
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: There's people out there that might enjoy what I do.

680
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: So then I took that And then it wasn't in

681
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: that exact moment where I was like, this is something

682
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to do. It was just kind of like,

683
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: you know what, that was cool. I'll continue to post

684
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 1: videos on social media in the meantime. Wow, I'm you know,

685
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: this will be my platform to start posting stuff for fun,

686
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 1: taking classes whatever.

687
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: Finished my junior year of college, Oh was the plan

688
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: because music wasn't quite there yet, but athletics was over

689
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: like that that purgatory, we'll call it purgatory. Yeah, well

690
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: what was the plan? Then?

691
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: Purgatory for me was just focusing on the books on school,

692
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: and I think that at that time being I was

693
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: actually working with my dad. I sold cars for two years,

694
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: and sales has always been in my blood, from my

695
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: grandfather to my dad to me.

696
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: As my dad would like to say, shout out to

697
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: Papa Bear.

698
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: We can wheel and deal, and We've always been really

699
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: good with just interact with people, and so I always

700
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: thought maybe I'd get into some form of medical sales

701
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: or something of that sorts just interacting with people. Now

702
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm in the position of interacting with people all the time,

703
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: and now I get to sell my music and sell

704
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: myself as a person. But that purgatory for me was

705
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: focusing on mental health, focusing on physical health, and the

706
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: gym became, you know, my safe place, and that's where

707
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of my time. After all those concussions,

708
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I'm so sick of being small,

709
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: whether it was now, when I develop a good body,

710
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: I want to develop strength whatever, and kind of build

711
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: up myself to be able to stand on my own

712
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: two feet and feel good about myself. So that was

713
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: kind of where I was at at that point in time,

714
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: super focused on lifting. But then after starting to post

715
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 1: those videos.

716
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: What was the second song you posted?

717
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: Ah, that's a good question. What was the second song?

718
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: I know early on Chris Staples and was a lot.

719
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: I was doing some whiskey Meyers, I was doing What

720
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: else did I do? Broken Halo might have been the

721
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: second one.

722
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 6: What was the biggest early The biggest early one, the

723
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 6: one where I was like, Okay, there might be something

724
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 6: here was my version of Nose on the Grindstone by

725
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 6: Taller Childers, and that had seventy eight hundred thousand views,

726
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 6: and that was.

727
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: Kind of like, Okay, this, this could be something cool

728
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: to pursue. And at this time, in this duration of

729
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: just sporadically posting here and there, there was no thought process.

730
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: There was no watch you.

731
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: And when I continued to do this and post the covers,

732
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: there was people being like, what's your original music?

733
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: What are you writing? And I was like, had you

734
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: written any to know?

735
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not a writer. I wasn't I wasn't

736
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: supposed to know. I wouldn't know anything about the music industry.

737
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to be straight up with you. My thought

738
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: process of the music industry. I thought you had to

739
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: go on American Idol to actually get into the music industry.

740
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: I had knew nothing about this whole scene. No one

741
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: in my family was musician, musically talented, none of that,

742
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: so I never had any things to draw from to

743
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: know better. So like, hey, like, we want to know

744
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: your original music. So I was like, well, I don't

745
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: do that, but okay. So then I started writing, tried

746
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: it out for a song I wrote was my song

747
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: on the run in my childhood bedroom. I went to

748
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: guitar Center, I bought two microphones, bought an interface, watched

749
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: a YouTube video on my laptop, plugged it all in

750
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: one take in my bedroom, just set it up.

751
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: Had no idea what I was doing.

752
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: I literally just pressed record, no mixing, no mastering, nothing,

753
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: just recorded it, singing the song from top to bottom.

754
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: I must have done it ten times and I picked.

755
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: I remember the pick in the tenth one. I was like,

756
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. And uploading it. Had no idea what

757
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: you know people used tunecore and you know all these

758
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: other things as independent artists.

759
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't even know how to get

760
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: a song with Spotify. I was like, I don't even

761
00:33:59,000 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 2: know how people do that.

762
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: So I had to do all these things and learn

763
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: all these things to even get myself out there.

764
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: So I want to headed in that.

765
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: And during this duration of time, my manager today had

766
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: been reaching out to me for.

767
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: Four months through like the DM.

768
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: DM email trying to find my phone number. It was

769
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: just trying to get a hold of me because he

770
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: thought I was already being managed because of the way

771
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: I was marketing myself, the way I was branding myself,

772
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: how I was controlling the fans from controlling, maybeout the

773
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: right word, but being like they were following me. They

774
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: weren't just followers passive followers on social media. They were like, Okay,

775
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: we're going to go hear what you're putting on YouTube.

776
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: We're going to go listen to your song now on

777
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: Spotify and Apple Music and YouTube. So he had already

778
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: thought I had a manager. I'm like, no, man, this

779
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: is this is just me doing the whole song and dance.

780
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: Finally got a hold of me, and it wasn't until

781
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: him and I spoke and we met.

782
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: How do you finally get a hold of you? He

783
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: got my phone number, and I wish I remember how

784
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: he told me.

785
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: He got it in a roundabout way, probably creepy, but

786
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: he got my phone number. Somehow calls me up and

787
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, who's this dude, Some bald guy from Nashville

788
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: wanted to talk.

789
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 2: To me forty two years old.

790
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know nothing about Nashville, never been down there,

791
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: had rarely traveled besides what I did for lacrosse. And

792
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: he was just like, hey, man, I don't want to

793
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 1: have a manager.

794
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to step on any toes.

795
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: I just wanted to reach out and just check in

796
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: and see if you do or not, and see if

797
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: there's any way I could be of help.

798
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 2: And I was like no. He's like, no, a tot all,

799
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 2: no manager, and you can't help me. No, no, no,

800
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: no to manager.

801
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: And then I'm just again, no one knows anything about

802
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: the music indust true in my family. So I'm like, hey, Mom,

803
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: like there's this dude that wants to talk to me again.

804
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: I'm twenty one at this point, so in college he

805
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: wants to talk to me about me become out of

806
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: Nashville to meet him, YadA YadA. So him and I

807
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: build a rapport on just phone calls and texts for

808
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: a month. It wasn't until I went down to meet him.

809
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: It's so funny. Man just this story, I go down

810
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: and meet him. My first write in Nashville was when

811
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: I wrote Ride the Lightning. First time being in Nashville.

812
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: I wrote it in his guest bedroom. It was a

813
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: zoom right with Eric Pasley and Rob Crosby. I'm nervous

814
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: as crap love Eric Pasley, amazing artist, amazing writer. I'm like, dude,

815
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: I listened to you and now I'm going to be

816
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: on a zoom call with you and I'm writing.

817
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is this world? So we wrote Ride

818
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 2: a Lightning and spend a week with him.

819
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: I come back home, but he was the first dude

820
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: to tell me you have something and it's up to

821
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: you if you want to pursue this, you can do this.

822
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: He was the first person to tell me this is

823
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: something you can do. You have something special. Because my

824
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: parents didn't know better. You know, they just knew I

825
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: could sing, but they didn't know like, this is something

826
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: to pursue and whatnot. So I come back home and

827
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man, I think you should really

828
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: fly back with me and meet my parents. I think

829
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: it's a respectful thing to do. I just spent a

830
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: week with you in Nashville.

831
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: He didn't kill me. This is great. I'm still living

832
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: here dating somebody. I'm like, yeah, long DN the relationship.

833
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 2: You should come back. I'm I'm still living. I meet

834
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: the family. Yes.

835
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: So he comes back, and I remember on the flight back,

836
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so remind me what you told me.

837
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: You're we're gonna go back.

838
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna have my parents, and then you're gonna tell

839
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: them I'm dropping out of college because I'm like, I

840
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: hate school, I'm done with school. You're going to tell

841
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: them I'm dropping out. This is real because he went

842
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: through my dms with me. I had record labels and

843
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: I had publishers in my dms and had no idea

844
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: because I wasn't looking for it.

845
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: Like I had no idea I was looking for the

846
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: hot blawns. I wasn't. I wasn't looking for you know,

847
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: and who even knows, like you said, in Hershire, Pennsylvania,

848
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 2: the music industry isn't taught at the level you would

849
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: even know what a publisher is. I didn't know what

850
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: a publisher was, and I still barely that right. I mean, so,

851
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: I mean it's not that crazy, I know, being in Nashville.

852
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: If you said that, you're like Oh, but it's not

853
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: that I come from a down a seven hundred pe

854
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: in Arkansas. Yeah, I know crap about music. Yeah, except

855
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: for what I saw on television. And so what did

856
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: your parents say when this random guy shows up and

857
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: says your son's dropping out of college.

858
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: They were shell shocked. My mom and dad. There was pushback.

859
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: They're like, you're so close to graduating.

860
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: Close.

861
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: I think I was probably a little over a semester.

862
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: I was a little over a semester and that is close. Yes,

863
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: and me I was. I did well in school, but

864
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: it was never something that I was so I was

865
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: very just straight smarts, and I always did really well

866
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: in classes where I had the ability to use my talent.

867
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: So I did really well in marketing and sales because

868
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: it was just it was just kind of like things

869
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: you knew internally. It was in my blood. So long

870
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: story short, comes back, we sit down, we have a

871
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: nice meal, tells him and my mom was like, okay,

872
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: so if you're this was your son, what would you say?

873
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 2: And he was this is his words.

874
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: He was like, if my son was a talented as

875
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: your son, I would tell him, don't look back this.

876
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: You can always go back to school, this is something

877
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: you have a chance to do. And from that moment forward. Once,

878
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: like I said too early on the interview, when someone

879
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: tells me I can do something, and when I believe

880
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: in it myself and I have the ability to put

881
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: everything I have into it, I will. I will go

882
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: all in and I will do whatever it takes to succeed.

883
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: And once he gave me that green light and I

884
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: gave up school, dude, I was going. I was flying

885
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: back and forth to Nashville every other week, week at

886
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: a time, two weeks down there, writing, shaking hands, meeting people,

887
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: taking care of the socials.

888
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: I still manage my socials man like.

889
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: It's still me heavily, whether it's what I'm posting, what

890
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: I want to say, commenting the fans, like, I'm still

891
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: very heavily involved in that because that's what got me here,

892
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: and I still really want to be involved in that.

893
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: So I love what I get to do.

894
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: It just took someone to come along the way to

895
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: be like, you can do this, and I'm glad he did.

896
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: And he's still your manager. He's bold, he has both

897
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: throw that in there. I know where I had to

898
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: I had I didn't visualize it better. Once you said that,

899
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, that's the only detail I remember. Yeah, yeah,

900
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: there you go. And a picture is like bald, pasty,

901
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 2: white head and I don't even know who it is.

902
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the Bobby Cast will be right back.

903
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: M h. This is the Bobby Cast writing songs. How

904
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say quickly, yeah, but I'm gonna I'll say,

905
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: how fast did you uh like acclimate to being in

906
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: a room with other people and sharing personal things to

907
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: be put into songs? You know?

908
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: Man, It's it's like a muscle and you have to

909
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: work it to get used to it. And and it

910
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 1: is a It is an intimidating thing. I mean, again,

911
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: from a kid who knew nothing about this. I'm coming

912
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: into town, new kid on the block, never a writer.

913
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: These dudes are people I've looked up to, great writers,

914
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: great artists who are writing with me. It's intimidating, very

915
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: much so. So it definitely took time. But what I'm

916
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: so grateful for is I was getting into the right

917
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: rooms of people being welcoming and it was very much

918
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: of like, we know you're new to this, so we're

919
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: going to help you out. And it was an understanding

920
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: of knowing I'm new and people believing into me early.

921
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: So I think it was really cool of just perfect

922
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: storm getting in the right rooms with people that understood

923
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: what I was doing repetition and a lot of the

924
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: writers that are on my debut album coming out are

925
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: dudes that I've been writing with since I started in

926
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: town and because they believed in me early on, and

927
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: they just wanted to help me grow and just help

928
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: me get better doing this whole this whole thing I

929
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: call a lifestyle, not even a job.

930
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 2: It's a lifestyle. That's what we do. It's pretty cool

931
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: that past lay is your first rite, Yeah, that you

932
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: write ride the Lightning, I mean. And Eric's written only

933
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: for breaks your Heart. You like young band, Barefoot, Blue

934
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: g Night, Jacob and Friday Night. His song that was

935
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: number one. I think you want to Cma for she

936
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: Don't Love You. She just loved that song. Yeah, awesome song,

937
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: that song. And but you may not know, which probably

938
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: you probably do because everybody knows the song in the

939
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 2: whole world because it's a massive hit. Eric and I

940
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: wrote a kid song together called When I Grow Up

941
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: that had just tens of streams. Here you go, Thank you,

942
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: Mike A. Little past lay Jim there, you've heard vocals

943
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: like that before, exactly exactly, no words. How many streams

944
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: does it have? Like, honestly, I don't see it on

945
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: this service. That's probably ten million every probably crushes Ride

946
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: the Lightning, I think about a billion. Yeah, oh yeah,

947
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: it was the first billion billion stream kids song. So yeah,

948
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: not desires. I'm just letting you know, buddy, you've done

949
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: one hundred shows. Now, that's that's you're putting that. I

950
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: mean you that's muscle memory there right, Like things are

951
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: going wrong enough that you don't have to freak out

952
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: about I'm going wrong. I mean that's me on stage

953
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: on a stand up. I was scared to death, not

954
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: of at first of my jokes just bombing because that

955
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: was going to happen anyway, but it was like, technically

956
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: what if some went wrong? But once it goes wrong

957
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: a few times and you're like, oh, what worst cases

958
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: this can happen? And then you actually get better because

959
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: you've gone through some crap on stage, you don't worry

960
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: about the crap as much anymore. And one hundred shows.

961
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: When I read that you did one hundred shows, I'm like, oh,

962
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: he's had enough mess up, so he's probably pretty comfortable now,

963
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: it's just getting on stage and letting it go. Yeah,

964
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: any accuracy there with that.

965
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I think that it's like you said,

966
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: it's repetition. It's getting used to the uncontrollable. There's just

967
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: there's too many factors that you can't control, and I'm

968
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: just shy. Just passed a little bit of one hundred Now.

969
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: One hundredth show was Stagecoach, which was a lot of

970
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: fun and but yeah, I think my first show ever

971
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: it was It was funny. It was my acoustic tour

972
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: last year in March. First time I was stepping on

973
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: a stage, first time stepping on a stage. Man, I

974
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: was from seven hundred people for a sold out show

975
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, holy shit, I'm actually about to

976
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: do this.

977
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 2: Was it weird that people came for you and paid

978
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: money for you, specifically you're selling your tickets. Yeah, I

979
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: think that that was the first couple of times, right, Yeah,

980
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: you're like, I have seven hundred people here.

981
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're so especially coming from the social media thing,

982
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: you see the numbers on the phone, You're like, okay,

983
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: like that's cool.

984
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 2: Well, the real eyeballs that paid, real money.

985
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: Honestly, now they're there time energy, merch their time, they're

986
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: buying drinks, they're having a great time, and no one's

987
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: forcing them to sing the words and they're singing word

988
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: for word at the top of their lungs. And it's like,

989
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: I was so nervous taken that stage, and there was

990
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: so many thoughts going through my head. And when I

991
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: tell you, things could have went wrong, things went wrong.

992
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: Vocal Mike's not working, feedback from the wedge that wasn't

993
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: getting fixed for four or five songs, like just having

994
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: to and I think I'm so grateful for the sports background,

995
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: just having to acclimate in uncomfortable situations, and I think

996
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: being in uncomfortable situations all the time, you get so

997
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: used to being uncomfortable and it just makes you a

998
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: better person for the uncontrollable. So it was after that

999
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: night though, that first show I played, people ask me

1000
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: like when did you know, Like when did you know

1001
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: this was like your thing? You know, you write the music,

1002
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: you got the songs coming out, you're streaming, it's a

1003
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: crazy it's cool, you're posting social media videos. But that night,

1004
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: after playing my first show, it was like, Yep, this

1005
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: is what I was born to do.

1006
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: Was it a high when you were done?

1007
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: It was a high like no other. And there's just

1008
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: there's And you can attest to this too. There's no

1009
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: feeling like going out there in such loud crowds and

1010
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: seeing the faces and shaking the hands and seeing the

1011
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: signs and seeing them saying word for word, or just

1012
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: laughing to your jokes, whatever it might be. It is

1013
00:45:54,480 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: just like it's a unreal feeling of just the heart,

1014
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: the passion, the people, the way they resonate with songs.

1015
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: You write a song one way and they take it

1016
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: another way. But that's the beauty of music. It's you

1017
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: take songs and fit them into your life the way

1018
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: you need them.

1019
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: To tell me about Pretty Little Poison? The name first, yep,

1020
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: why why the name pretty Little Poison? Is that about me?

1021
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: Be honest, you.

1022
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 4: Wanted to be about you? I don't actually go ahead,

1023
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 4: I don't think you do. Actually pretty Little Poison? So

1024
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 4: I wrote that song? Well, how long did I write

1025
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 4: that song?

1026
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 2: Already I was in the room, and that day I

1027
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: just had on my I had on my mind.

1028
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 1: I was like, I would love to write a darker

1029
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: themed love song because as you can I'm sure see

1030
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: from some of the music that I have out very

1031
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: minory keys, you know that outlaw feeling dark sense.

1032
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: To me minor for those listening. Minor usually dark, sad, somber, major, bright, fun.

1033
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: Happy yeses and I love I love the major keys.

1034
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: Think it's very on brand for what I do. But

1035
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: when it came to writing Pretty Little Poison, I was like,

1036
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: I don't have a song title, but I'm like, just conceptually,

1037
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: we started talking about this idea in the room and

1038
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: shout out to Ryan Beaver. He's got a couple songs.

1039
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, I love Ryan Beaver too, such a sweetheart

1040
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: of a dude, Like.

1041
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: It's so good as a and a singer, Like I

1042
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: love his music too. Yep. Yeah, And he was one

1043
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: of the first.

1044
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: He's one of the dudes early on to buy into

1045
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: me and you know, helped me form myself into what

1046
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: I am now and ever growing. But he's got a

1047
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: couple songs on the debut album, Pretty Little Poison. But

1048
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: when it came to writing pretty Little Poison, he came

1049
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: up with pretty Poison. I was like, I love the piece,

1050
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: I love the alliteration. I was like, what if we

1051
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: wrote pretty Little poison and it was from that moment,

1052
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: just the word little it just made a click for us.

1053
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 1: We wrote that song so fast, it just fell together.

1054
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: And when we're done writing it, we got a demo

1055
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: and I wrote the demo.

1056
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: I sang the demo twice.

1057
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: I got the demo back that we and I remember

1058
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: when I got it, I said it to my manager.

1059
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: I sent it to my ar dude, and I was like,

1060
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: this song is something special and it was one of

1061
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: those moments where you know you get a song like

1062
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: this is a good song.

1063
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: It was. I believed it. When I got that song back,

1064
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is something that's going.

1065
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: To be heard, and yeah, that song is. It actually

1066
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: kind of is a dark song if you actually listen

1067
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: to the lyrics and what it truly represents and what

1068
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: I've explained.

1069
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: It to be. But wrote it is the album dark

1070
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: than it's got hints of it for sure.

1071
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: The overall ching arching theme I like to talk about

1072
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: when it comes to the album and why we called

1073
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: it pretty Little Poison was that's our focus that song.

1074
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: But the overarching theme if you've watched you've seen the

1075
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: music video by chance for Pretty Little Poison, it's okay if.

1076
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: You have no I wouldn't lie. Don't If you get

1077
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: a chance to watch it, I'd love it if you did.

1078
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: But you never see the girl's face in the music video,

1079
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: and it's supposed to represent this. I like to say

1080
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: the faceless Cowgirl because the songs in this album are

1081
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: about some women along the way in my life. Whether

1082
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: it's my life personally, it's friends, life's overall arching stories

1083
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: that I've heard from mothers as well, but a lot

1084
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: of them hit home for me. But I wanted to

1085
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 1: have that ideology of the faceless cowgirl. And you can,

1086
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: whether you're dude or whether you're a girl, it's a

1087
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: faceless cowboy whatever.

1088
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: You can put yourself into those shoes.

1089
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: But the overall arching theme for Party Little Poison itself,

1090
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: whether it's a female, it's going back to something in

1091
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: life that you know is not good for you, you love

1092
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: it that much. It's the temptress. It's this thing that

1093
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: you know really deep down is not good for you,

1094
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: but it just it's it's just that good that you

1095
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: can't let it go.

1096
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 2: Pop tarts For me, it's pop tarts, whatever it may be.

1097
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 2: Your points is a cowgirl part. Yeah, Hey, I'm glad.

1098
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 2: I know I shouldn't eat them, but I do, and

1099
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: I keep rocking on brown Sugar guy at all. No, Yeah,

1100
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 2: that's okay, they're okay. I'll lead them through the last one. Okay.

1101
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 2: But brown Sugar and then Coffee went are disgusting too.

1102
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 2: But anyway, back to you, it's about you, only about

1103
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 2: me occasionally. But no.

1104
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, the like I said, it's it's this thing that

1105
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: you can't say no to, and it's just it's that sweet.

1106
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: And I think that when I wrote it at that time,

1107
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: I would like to joke that I spoke this song

1108
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: into fruition, like I spoke this song into existence. I

1109
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: thought when we were writing it, I was like, oh,

1110
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: I've been here before. Because me and Ryan were going

1111
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: back and forth. He's like, dude, I've had this before,

1112
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I feel like I've definitely

1113
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: had it.

1114
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't until after I wrote this song that I

1115
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: truly knew what a pretty little poison was. I spoke

1116
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: that song into existence man, and I went, so, you

1117
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: manifested manifested poison in your life. Oh yeah, I'm gonna

1118
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: leave it there, but you manifested the poison YEP. And

1119
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: I hope. Sure you weren't searching for it purposefully, so

1120
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: I hear you say no more. Yep, yep, probably was.

1121
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 2: So the sample of the four songs that I had

1122
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: and heard, that's the Pretty Little Poison sampler. It's the EP.

1123
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: But and there's when I asked about Prety Little Pison

1124
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: that this the whole album. I'm gonna be named that too, right, Yep,

1125
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 2: got it. Well, Look, let's play a clip that I

1126
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: know we talked about it before you got here, mic,

1127
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 2: but let's play a little bit of Pretty Little Poison,

1128
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: Little Poison.

1129
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 4: Genous.

1130
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 2: Just I'm excited for you, man. You know, it's it's

1131
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: cool to see not just how you did it, but

1132
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: what you're doing with what you did in the direction

1133
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: that you're going still, because it's different, honestly, you know,

1134
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: it's different, and in a time where a lot of homogenization,

1135
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. There's a reason we wanted to

1136
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: talk to you. Reason I wanted to talk to you, Yeah,

1137
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 2: like I like to watch how you're doing it and

1138
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 2: congratulations on everything. And I think there's also a lot

1139
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: to be said about being uncomfortable, and if you're uncomfortable,

1140
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: a whole lot of the time that when you're uncomfortable again,

1141
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: it's not a shock to the system, and that for me,

1142
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: it makes the comfortable times on most uncomfortable. I'll be

1143
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: honest with you where I'm like, this feels too good. Yeah,

1144
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: something bad and sometimes that's unhealthy and I gotta stop that.

1145
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: The one it is good, I'm questioning it. But now

1146
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan.

1147
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and I'm I was super happy when

1148
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: I figured out that. You know, I was wondering if

1149
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: you ever want to have a conversation with me, But

1150
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really happy you did and you brought

1151
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: me on because I'm happy to hear that I'm not crazy.

1152
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm doing it a different way, and

1153
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: I kind of knew when I was making this approach

1154
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: and taking this way.

1155
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: Me and my manager were like, you know, you will help.

1156
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: You will have a certain time going through this process

1157
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: because of the way you want to approach.

1158
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: The same way that you were bullied, and you learn

1159
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: so many things about well all of it. You're going

1160
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 2: through it a different way. You're gonna learn there are

1161
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of haters too that are not

1162
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: just you, but anybody that does it differently, And I

1163
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: could list four or five artists that have done it differently,

1164
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden they're the worst. They're not

1165
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: they're not country there's and then all of a sudden

1166
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: what they were doing pop so hard it became the norm.

1167
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: And what I'm doing is kind of seeing this again

1168
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: with how you're doing it, where nobody's hating on you

1169
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: for your vocals or your image or anything, but you

1170
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: are doing it in a bit of different way. But

1171
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: also that's very legitimate, and that's that's what's different about it.

1172
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 2: I like it. Keep your head down, keep pushing. I

1173
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: gotta tell you that you're already going to do that.

1174
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know me now, Yeah, big big fan

1175
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 2: for sure. You guys follow Warren. It's just on Instagram

1176
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: and TikTok. It's just warn ziders and Jennifer of March, April, May, June, July.

1177
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: I alstill go to dor Fingers August twenty fifth, it's when

1178
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: Pretty Little Poison comes out, you know, all the months

1179
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: my number ten no okay, oh wait hold on, well no,

1180
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: if you look up in the sky, I was kind

1181
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: of my fingers, I know, twelfth December, right, twelve is December.

1182
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 2: I know that way. Yeah. I can go like five

1183
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: deep May and then I lose it until about November

1184
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 2: eleven and twelve. So you guys follow warm big fan,

1185
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: really keep it up and really been great talking to you.

1186
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: There is warren Ziders everybody. Thanks for listening to Bobby

1187
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: Cast Production