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Speaker 1: softrep dot Com on Time on Target. Last episode, I

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Speaker 1: you know, I was here with Brandon Webb and I

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Speaker 1: Jim West, Guys, James Smoky West, dude. Great to see

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Speaker 1: you again. I mean I've seen you since because I

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426
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Speaker 1: of kids I said, uh, what do you want a

427
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: football team? And you said, no, I want an army.

428
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: So how's that going? I got four now, Oh my god,

429
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: good job. So what age you start training? It was

430
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: good old days. Oh they were the best. But yeah,

431
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: good memories. YEP. I had a few questions, you know,

432
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: one when you deal because I know you do a

433
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: lot of work with the military and Special Option in particular,

434
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: and uh, I also worked with a lot of the individuals. Unfortunately,

435
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: many of the uh, the Navy seals that I used

436
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 1: to train with a Virginia Beach passed away on that

437
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: helicopter went down. But so many other guys I still,

438
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, engage with and uh, I always look for

439
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: the top three things I think are valuable to a

440
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna be kicking doors down potentially and with

441
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: a gun in his hand in the middle of the night,

442
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: and when something goes wrong and maybe they lose their weapon,

443
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: for example. I try to look at the top three

444
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: things that would help any of these guys. And I

445
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: was wondering, what's your philosophy or thoughts were on those

446
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: type of situations. When you are when you're training the guys,

447
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: it boils down to basics. He boils down to training. Um,

448
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: I would say for not just kicking doors, but for

449
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: any situation. Most people mostly visions they get caught even

450
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: though they learn whatever martial art they learned and whatever

451
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: preparation they have by krying weapon and knife, whatever the

452
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: surprises they're not expecting. It throws a lot of people off. Yeah,

453
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: I agree, people under pressure will default to what they know,

454
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: so you know the basics. It's interesting you said the

455
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: first thing out of your mouth was basics, because I

456
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: don't know if you ever knew met Joe Lewis in

457
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: the past, but uh, but you know, he was kind

458
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: of ahead of the game in the in the traditional

459
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: karate sinse you in the late sixties early seventies, and

460
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: he wrote an article and uh, he said that common

461
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: bond that you know, the guys that really do well

462
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: and survive, the most important thing is incredible basics. And

463
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 1: it's funny with your background and as good as you

464
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,239
Speaker 1: are and all the champions in yourself that you've had

465
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: the pleasure of working with throughout your whole life, that

466
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: first thing out of your mouth is aligned with other

467
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: people with with you know, great accolades as well. You know,

468
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 1: so basics. I really appreciate that coming from you. Yeah,

469
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: people think that all we have to learn new things,

470
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: and yeah it's good to know. But on the end

471
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: of the day boils out to basics and being ready

472
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: like either kicking doors or I tell the students cvivings

473
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: all the time. Man, you gotta be ready, you gotta

474
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Speaker 1: be all is an alert. You can't be just. That's

475
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Speaker 1: why I don't drink. Yes, you don't drink. I don't

476
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: do drugs, So I don't be like on that stupidity,

477
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: on that stupid mode that oaps. I'll stop by surprise.

478
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: Sorry it said. I try not to to get by surprise.

479
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: I always walk in and thinking about it and looking

480
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Speaker 1: at everybody in the eyes and always ready. So let

481
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Speaker 1: me ask you a question. Is that being on guard,

482
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Speaker 1: not drinking, being ready all the time? You know, if

483
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Speaker 1: you if you ask uh a combat veteran, for example,

484
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Speaker 1: they'll kind of default post traumatic stress, you know, like

485
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: they're very paranoid about you know, from their combat experiences perhaps.

486
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: And did you have any experiences growing up there? You know,

487
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: not just you know, in addition to the training that

488
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: you got from your family, But what what condition caused

489
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: you to be on alert, out higher alert than the

490
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: average person. Okay. My father always says there is no

491
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: time in place for something to happen. So if somebody

492
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: challenges you, you can't say hold on, I need a

493
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: month to get ready, or somebody pinched or grow on

494
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: the behind. You're gonna go hold on, honey, I'll take

495
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: out of this. Excuse me, how much do you wait? Oh? Sorry,

496
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: he's not on my weight division. I can't fight him.

497
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: Or can we meet up tomorrow? Can we meet up

498
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: next week? I gotta get ready. There's no time in place.

499
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: So it's not about and called para annoyed. I just

500
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: called being on alert, being ready at old times, like

501
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: my father was at the hospital at one time and

502
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: a form student of him challenging him for fighting, and hey,

503
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: he wasn't. The doctor said you can't fight. He's like

504
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: he got up. It's like, I gotta do it. There's

505
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: no time in place. I gotta do it. I guess

506
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: the doctor's rules. Yeah, the doctor's rules didn't come into play. Right,

507
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: It's uh, man, you gotta do ready, you know, boys,

508
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm right. I'm currently writing a book on a

509
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: series of street fights that I've had through the years,

510
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, with knives and beer bottles and all that

511
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Back in my stupid days when I

512
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: used to drink, I gave that up because the same reasons,

513
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, getting getting caught off cars not good. Right.

514
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: But back in the back in the early seventies, mid seventies,

515
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: I fought uh in the European International U Karate Championships

516
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: in Berlin, and I met a Japanese guy named Heidi

517
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: O Chai and Uh. He wanted me to spar with

518
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: his students to get ready for competition. And I was

519
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: getting ready for kata uh you know, like the dance right,

520
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: and had a uniform design for that, all washed pressed,

521
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: ready to go clean. And I said, well, let me

522
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: go change my uniform. And it's amazing because he's old,

523
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, really old, really skilled Japanese master, and you're

524
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: so you're so aligned with the greats, because he says, uh,

525
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: if if you can't wash it, don't wear it. In

526
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: other words, the same philosophy you just did. There's no

527
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: time to prepare. But it's amazing at the alignment of

528
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: the great of the greats, you know. But it's like

529
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, cops. I teach a little law enforcement

530
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: and I tell them, guys, something happened. When you get

531
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: too distracted, when you get too careless, the same thing

532
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: can come back. Well, it's gonna be an easy job.

533
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: We're just gonna keep the door. He come in. Whoa.

534
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: When you get careless, it's not because it's combat, it's

535
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: not because it's a job. But the same thing of

536
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: female walking to a car, talking on the phone, distracted,

537
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: not paying attention what's going around, not not being a

538
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: little of her surroundings. Yeah, I agree a thousand percent.

539
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if you work with the police force

540
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: down here, maybe in New York City, a lot of

541
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: the cops are standing in like groups, just talking about

542
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: the weather, what happened last night, or but they don't

543
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: really seem to be alert and on guard. A lot

544
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: of times, you know, you know, you'll see four or

545
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: five of them standing together in one little bunch. And

546
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: but even even that, I understand they had to relax

547
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: and they cheap chaid, Okay, But even worse than that,

548
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: the approach a car, and I seen videos, that's when

549
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: they get caught by surprise. Like I said before, the

550
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: surprise factor. He is what throws a lot of people

551
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: off man the approach. I kind of like, there's nobody us,

552
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: just another day and careless. But you don't know. Every

553
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: person is different. That's a really good point. I used

554
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: to do work for the ci A Cross Mission when

555
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: I was with in the Green Beret, and uh, one

556
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: of the guys, one of my teammates, was a former

557
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: Alabama state trooper and uh, he was telling me his story.

558
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: He pulled a car over in the middle of the night,

559
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: walks up to the car to check the guy's driver's license,

560
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: and a guy shot through the car door and hit

561
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: him in the thigh and drove off. So, yeah, it's

562
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: amazing you picked the right points. Yeah, I mean, listen

563
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: not to to hundreds of not thousands of people all

564
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: over the world, and there's only a few, honest to god,

565
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: even amongst the very popular world champions and stuff, there

566
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: are only a few, in my opinion, that that come

567
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: up with the same story. And it's amazingly enough. You're

568
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: the guys that are on top of you know, the

569
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: innovators at the beginning. You know, not that the world

570
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: can't catch up, but you know, it's like I'm just

571
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: teaching what I learned from my father. That's awesome man,

572
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: you know, speaking of of which is as Jim just

573
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: brought up of, you know, the innovators and all that.

574
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: I think that this audience would love to hear it.

575
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that you've relayed it many times. But

576
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: take us back to those early days of B J

577
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: J and and what would eventually become mixed martial arts

578
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: and just your story. Well, my father was very small

579
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: and he couldn't do the art of your shoe, so

580
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: that my uncle's learned from the Japanese, say my da,

581
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: and so he learned about watching. He sat down watched

582
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: my learning. My uncle's learned to take their classes, and

583
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: my uncle's lit at on and started teaching. And my

584
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: father learned by pretty much about watching on his mind

585
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: since he could he wasn't allowed to do because he

586
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: was too weak. He developed as um. He didn't create it,

587
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: but he just developed something that he had that let's say,

588
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: he adapted for himself so a smaller person was able

589
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: to do it. And my uncle's late for a class

590
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: one day and my father jumped in and told the student, Hey,

591
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: I can just review the moves with you. The stuff

592
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: defense moves while my brother gets here and um, the

593
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: two fathers student a class just reviewing the stuff. But

594
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: he showed the students some new not new, but easier

595
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: way to do the moves, and the student like it

596
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: very much. By the time my uncle showed up, the

597
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: student told my uncle from now one, if you don't mind,

598
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: I would like the classes from eligration. And that's when

599
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: my uncles are like, okay, hold on, what did you

600
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: show him? What did you do? And then became a

601
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: quest for my family to find out which style is

602
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: the best because everybody claims that the style is the best,

603
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: so it's a um it was a quest. So take

604
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: all the rules out, take all the gloves out, no

605
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: time limit, no way division and going to ring and fighting.

606
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: Because everybody claims that their style is the best, there's

607
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: only one way to find out. So that's when my

608
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: father would jump in my uncle's, my cousins and became

609
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: a family tradition. It's good to have tradition, but a

610
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: lot of but a lot of people thought that our

611
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: men the graces are arrogant. They're trying to prove that

612
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: the other styles don't work and did did the best? No,

613
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: we're just trying to find out who request for my family,

614
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: trying to find out which starves the best, because everybody

615
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: claimed the desk STI is the best, so there's only

616
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: one way to find out. Well, I'm a big proponent

617
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: of no rules. It's been the state of my life. Yeah,

618
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean on this, I mean, martial art in general

619
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: was made to defend yourself in the street fight situation,

620
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: not to score points. So martial art in general, forget

621
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: which one is dead in the other. It was made

622
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: for no rules. It was made for to defend yourself

623
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: in the street fight. Sooise, maybe you can help me

624
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: out with this. Many many years ago, when they UFC

625
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: first very first came out with you and your brothers

626
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: in your family, there was a rumor or story that

627
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: before it became power popular, that there was a sort

628
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: of a challenge between you and a guy named Benny

629
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: the Aquadus, And that's just what I heard, and then

630
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: that he kind of bailed out and then he moved

631
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: forward with the program. No, it was okay. My brother

632
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: hardy On when he first came to America, UM, when

633
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: he first started teaching over here in California, he went

634
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: to Benning Kidders being the Jack Kiddis school and to

635
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: kind of almost like, hey, guys, have you guys are famous?

636
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: I have, She's from Brazil. Maybe I can teach help

637
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: you guys out. So when he went in a good

638
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: faith and a good open mind to maybe show the guys,

639
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: and the guys are like, sure, let's you do your thing,

640
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: He'll do our thing. We do our thing. So hard

641
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: On end up taking bending down and throw him and

642
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: without even hitting him when Benny was trying to kick

643
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: box with him. And years later those uh those uh

644
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: Hollywood produce it putting together some kind of coumentary about

645
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: fighting and said, hey, there's this graceful guys that fight anybody.

646
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: And Ben he was like, yes, I'll fight. So Horden

647
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: told him they should tell Benny he's gonna be fighting me,

648
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: because when he did, he was trying to fight, and

649
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: I was just trying to gain a new student. I

650
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: was just controlling him without hurting him. So BENI end up,

651
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: BENI end up asking for a huge amount of money,

652
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: so he didn't want to fight. You just want to

653
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: pay day, right, That's that's exactly what I heard. Yeah,

654
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: but but you guys really capitalized on it. You're and

655
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: your brother to make this show happen. In the beginning,

656
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: I mean, how did it really happen? Did you you

657
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: sent out and asked for people to submit their you know, videotapes.

658
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: I guess, oh, we we we we're looking for um

659
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: those are gentleman nam Our Davy. He was looking for

660
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: the top guys. He was started asking the top boxer

661
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: and the top karate guys to join the the UFC.

662
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: And a lot of people decline. A lot of people

663
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: that claimed to be oh my fight to the death.

664
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: A lot of them decline, didn't want to fight, didn't

665
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: want to get you this kind of tournament with no rules,

666
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: no gloves, no time limit, so you end up being

667
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: I mean they started on the top. Like boxing, they

668
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: started the top and got the number end up game

669
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: number eight r Jamison, and then the karate and they

670
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: went different styles and wrestling, and a lot of people

671
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: decline at the time, we don't fight like this. But

672
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: the old claim that their stye is the best, but

673
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: none of them want to fight. Isn't that the old story?

674
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: My karate is better than your karate. There's only one

675
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: way to find out. Let's do it. I'm firm. I'm

676
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: a firm believer and uh, you know what and what

677
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: we used to say, shut up and put up, you know, yes, yes, um,

678
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: but that goes for for any sports, any sports like this.

679
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: Everybody claimed the dead team and the style is better.

680
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: So but there's only one way to find out. Yeah,

681
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: I was hard headed and uh when I was younger,

682
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,959
Speaker 1: and have over two d stitches and over fifty six

683
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: broken bones that go along with it. But like you said,

684
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: who you find out real quick who you are and

685
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: what you're willing to do. So uh, yeah, but you

686
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: guys are very inspirational because I turned you know, because

687
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: I was at Fort Bragg, you know, when I retired,

688
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: and uh Dale Comstock became one of my first students

689
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: and uh some of the other guys, and then I

690
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: went in behind you and started training uh some of

691
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: the CAAG members, you know, putting together different skills, set

692
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: on what you were doing, kind of rounding out what

693
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: I do. In addition, and uh, because of all that influence,

694
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: I actually ended up recruiting a few guys, trained them

695
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: and within a year they were fighting in uh some

696
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: of the earlier UFC's uh goen Case and Stevie three D. Graham.

697
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: You know, they thought uh uh Mark Kerr and and

698
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: uh Randy Coture, you know, and they won the earlier. Yes,

699
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: I loved it. That was awesome, awesome times and and

700
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: and just to train to that level, the intensity, you know,

701
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 1: once you start making that kind of stuff, it's amazing.

702
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: Just what you say. Like, I had a little small

703
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: school in Fayetteville. All of a sudden, every would be

704
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: want to be boxer, martial artists whatever. Karate guy would

705
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: come in and actually have people coming off the street

706
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 1: challenging some of my students and me and the time, Yeah,

707
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: they were losing a hundred percent of the time because

708
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: of about what you do. It's full of spectrum. There's

709
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: no rules and uh you know, so they try to

710
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: put you in a box, and you guys, I don't

711
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: feel that would fit in the box. So yeah, I

712
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: feel like what what you guys? You know, your family

713
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: did more than just this, But one thing that it did,

714
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: it really did call out those styles of martial arts

715
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: that turned out to be bullshit. I mean, it showed

716
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: that some some skills were greater than others, some can

717
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: really be used in a street fight. But then there

718
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: were other forms of martial arts that were just ineffective. Right, Well,

719
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: it's not the question that that every style. I believe

720
00:41:54,040 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: every style have the uh that they can do something.

721
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: Every star is made for something and they believe. Okay,

722
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: but they're all again, I'm gonna say for a street fight,

723
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: for a self defense on the street, I'm where I'm

724
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: against this tournament points system. But when people claim, hey,

725
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: my style is the best, now we're gonna have to

726
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: do get out. But all the styles are good, it's

727
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: like telling It's like saying, well, volleyball is better than basketball.

728
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: You see. It's like saying, well, boxing is better than

729
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 1: typewon door. Yeah, well but you don't kick in boxing. Well,

730
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: but I can put so you can compare volleyball with basketball.

731
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: You see, they're different. So everyone every style can bring

732
00:42:54,520 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: something can help. But we believe the gainst you this

733
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: is the best. So when they say mine's the best, whoa, whoa,

734
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: whoa whoa stop there now, Yeah, now we're gonna have

735
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: a talk. So most most styles, you know, regardless of

736
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: the style, are limited by tradition, in my opinion. You know,

737
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: they teach so many punches, so many kicks, so many cords,

738
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: so many self defense moves, but they lack you know,

739
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: a lot of the reality play. You know, it's just

740
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: I think that's what you're saying too. They don't just

741
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: duke it out, figure out what works, but don't say

742
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: don't say best forget that problem with yeah, just say

743
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: it's good. So I have a I have a I

744
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: have a question talking about the UFC. I remember, like

745
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: in the beginning, you know, when the octagon itself was introduced,

746
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: it changed a whole out of the fighting. Because even

747
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: in Japan, they will shoot fighting, you know, they get

748
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: wrapped up in the ropes, they you know, different reasons

749
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: to stop, but in that inside of that cage, it

750
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: reduces the need to stop a fight. And I know

751
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: in the beginning, it seemed that a lot of times

752
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: the wrestlers would try to get the guy up against

753
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: the cage, you know, for a little ground and pound,

754
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: and then now twenty years later or so, it's like

755
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: they used the cage to get back to their feet.

756
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: What kind of what are the biggest changes that you've

757
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: noticed that impact the fight strategy for the current fighters.

758
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: I think um Okay in the beginning, there was his

759
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: style against his style Okay today it is more of

760
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: a fighter against a fighter. They both know good issue shoots,

761
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: they both know how to do take downs. They kick

762
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: boxers in the boxers they learned how to choke, they

763
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: learn how to do takedowns. The wrestlers they just guys

764
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: learn how to kick and punch. And you see, so

765
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: everybody knows it's even its sequel for everybody, the fighting sequel.

766
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: So it's not now today, I think it's more of

767
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: a Back then, there was no footaging on finding out

768
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: what people do. There was very limited. So today you

769
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: can study the guy's fight. So it's a question of

770
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: who have the best strategy and strategy. It's not like

771
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: what's your strategy. Oh, I'm gonna gain a clinch, I'm

772
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: gonna take him down and I'm going to choke him out.

773
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: That's not a strategy, that's a wish, that's not a strategy.

774
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: That's a strategy is knowing what is he gonna do

775
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: and be able to take him out of his element.

776
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: And sometimes the fight looks easy, but it's not easy.

777
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: I make sure to make you finishing thirty seconds us

778
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: because I practice will making you think that step that

779
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 1: weighs like in heat, you like you was in three seconds.

780
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm curious what what would you credit most the popularity

781
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: of Brazilian jiu jitsu over even just regular jiu jitsu

782
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: right now, I mean, I'm younger than you guys, of course,

783
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: I was born in nine six, but I remember growing

784
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: up learning a little bit of martial arts. I never

785
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: really pursued it, but I you know, did a little

786
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: bit of jiu jitsu, and I remember that was a

787
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: popular thing. And then you fast forward to you know,

788
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: the late nineties, and then all the way up to now.

789
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: I would say it's it's fair to say Brazilian jiu

790
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: jitsu mainly in part due to your family. The Gracie

791
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: family has surpassed traditional Japanese jiu jitsu. I'm wondering, like

792
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: all the reasons for that in your opinion. Well, when um,

793
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: back in the day, it was okay, it was a

794
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: very comus, a complete art. And then they separate, they

795
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 1: start to create for determined purpose to be a little faster,

796
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: and uh, they create jud they created, they separate the art,

797
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: they create the other styles, which who used to be

798
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: all of them together? So it's a I mean, that's

799
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: why I became my father when he learned. He just

800
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: continued the traditions from the Japanese where he learned, and

801
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: he changed and modified. He had adapt for himself so

802
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: a smaller person can do it. But he didn't invent

803
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: it and created a new style. So you know your

804
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: father he was eighty five years old and could still

805
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: function and do very well with jiu jitsu. And I

806
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: was wondering, Yes, I was wondering what your thoughts are.

807
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: As far as you know, a fighter's lifespan in the

808
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: ring isn't very long because it's a very tough sport,

809
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 1: you know, And and the old days, if a guy

810
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: was thirty five, he was considered old. You got a

811
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: guy like today, Daniel Cormier who's got two belts, and

812
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: what's the forty one years old? Maybe what do you think?

813
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: What do you think his future is like in the

814
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: next couple of fights. Um, it's technology is the food,

815
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: everything improves, the equipment, the fight itself still the same,

816
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: but the training got there. The people learning how to

817
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: UH is better. Yeah, there's not much of the study

818
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: on that stuff. When we used to fight, it's five

819
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: getting the cage fight. Today everything is very mathematical. That's

820
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: the idea of the fight was able to less longer,

821
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: or any athlete for that matter, not just in fighting,

822
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: but for the life to expand in general. It's ah

823
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: of a soldier for that matter. They eat better foods,

824
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: they're be able. The training got more mathematic or more Uh,

825
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: it's it's easier. Let's say, back then, we're discovering this. Yeah,

826
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: I agree with that, because you know you can rehab.

827
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 1: But but still, you know, I still I don't know ages,

828
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: aging and all these little bit of Nixon bruises and

829
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: injuries they add up through the years. I mean, I'm

830
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: sixty four now, and trust me, I feel a lot

831
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: of the stuff that I didn't bother with when I

832
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: was in my thirties. Yes, Um, of course age gets up.

833
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: But again depends how you trained, because I mean, some

834
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: people back then we used to fight, train today we

835
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: trained to fight. Let's say that's the difference. I agree absolutely. Um,

836
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: that's a I like the words and the concept because

837
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. I just know that it

838
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: seems to me like when people hit forty that the

839
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: first thing to go is their legs, you know, And

840
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: I know that we can work through that to a point.

841
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: But like you also like you said, the younger guys

842
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: are catching up really fast. You know these days they

843
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: get seemed to get there a lot quicker. Yeah. Yeah,

844
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: these guys, I mean they be are learning. I mean

845
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: everything is so much thematical today. Everything so study you

846
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: can and just um it's not just walking the cage

847
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: and the preparation. Everything helps. But I would say for everything,

848
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: not just for fighting for everything. So so howice do

849
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: you have any actual family members, uh, cousins, nephews, and

850
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: do you have any in your direct family you know

851
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: that's coming up through the UFC these days, are planning

852
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: to in the future. Um. I have a bunch of

853
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: cousins fighting next. Uh. I have the fighting next in

854
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: uh in New York for bellatour. My son just signed

855
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: to fight for Bella tour. My cousin Namon, he lives

856
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: in New York. He's fighting for Bella Tour. Um hands

857
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: who just fought in Japan in a manure it in

858
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: one fight to forty. No, he's fifty one, Yeah, he's

859
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: he's he's one in fighting japin just posting, I mean

860
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: in Manila in fifty one years old and one that's

861
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: that's very around me, very impressive. And hoists in California.

862
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: So it's just there's Gracie's all over the country. UM.

863
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, I know that you know

864
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: as the UFC, and you would say Belator and all

865
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: these organizations have you know, gained in popularity? There have

866
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: been more rules stuff that you've been critical about that

867
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: you even said earlier on in this interview. I'm wondering,

868
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: are you able to even enjoy like the professional style

869
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: MM at this point or is it just too far

870
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: away from what your family created? Oh? No, I enjoy it.

871
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: I love to go watch you kidding me principally what

872
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: my family fights. Yeah? Are they fighting this coming Friday

873
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: night in Ballator? Is that when they're fighting? No? No,

874
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: my son signed fight late in the year and my

875
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: next my cousins and they're fighting or later this year. Yeah.

876
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: I want to see the kind of evolution since the beginning,

877
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: what kind of shape during what kind of fight training?

878
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: I like the backstory when they do the you know,

879
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: show the training clips on TV. I think that's a

880
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: I love that too. Yeah, oh yes, yea, when they

881
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: do the background about the fighter is talking about their

882
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: life because they're not just yeah, very true that's actually

883
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: that's what got me into it. I got into NIME

884
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: later on in the game. But like Ultimate Fighter and

885
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: those type of things, it did show a lot of

886
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: like what these guys to go through, you see, like

887
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: the struggles of cutting weight and all that. And you

888
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: know what, it has made the sport more mainstream and

889
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: popularized it and maybe just some even watered it down.

890
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: But I think it's an evolution that needed to happen.

891
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: You know, everything does need to evolve with time. UM.

892
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about what you're up

893
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: to now because I know you're not just on here,

894
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: you know, giving you giving us your time. You're also

895
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: promoting stuff that you're working on, and I want to

896
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: make sure we get it out there. I was looking

897
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: at hoist gracy dot com and I see that you're

898
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: teaching a leverage and Technique class on August fifteen in Northridge, California.

899
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: If you want to check out the site, there's details

900
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: on that. But how are you enjoying doing these types

901
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: of things between seminars and teaching your skills to UH

902
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: younger fighters. I travel about seven months of the year

903
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: all over the world teaching every about it. I love it.

904
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: You're kidding me. I love to travel. That's awesome, man,

905
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: And I'm doing The next one is over here nock Reach, California,

906
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: and then I go to Yaka, my on the twenty

907
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: five of of August. I'll be teaching for my nieces

908
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: Hickson's daughters. They opened up a school all leaving Yakima, Washington.

909
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: So he's already a big success in school, so I'm

910
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: gonna go over there. He's just seminar for their students,

911
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: and on and on and on. If you go to

912
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: my website, you see that every month I have to

913
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: change loads of setting ars all over the world. And

914
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: so Alex is out in Seattle, Washington these days. Maybe

915
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: you can get her, get her to do some training

916
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: with you. Yes, she's in, and I'll be I'll be

917
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: in Yakima. That's how far from Seattle, about to two

918
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: hours from from from Seattle from Tacoma, Washington, could be.

919
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: I'd give her a call if I were in, telling

920
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: him come up there and be ready to train. You know,

921
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: I was so I was at shot show a couple

922
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 1: of years ago. Um I was staying in a house

923
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,959
Speaker 1: with all Yeah. Yo, So well, here's some stories about

924
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: that I just gotta tell Jim, so I had Shot Show. Um,

925
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: I was in a house with all the guys like

926
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: we were when I was with you. The only times

927
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: that worked out when I was with you were with Jim.

928
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: You did them not TRX with the band exercises and

929
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: you kicked my ass and like, yeah, we were only

930
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: working over like ten minutes, and I was like, holy

931
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: sh it, this is like because my body was not

932
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: used to it at all. I do like for me,

933
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: fitness is just like my antidepressant. I need it. I

934
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: am not myself when I'm not getting that. Um So, Luckily,

935
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: Alex was in a hotel that had a gym and

936
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: she like invited me to come over. She's in killer shape,

937
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: as I said, So I got to work out with her,

938
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: and then we started Christonto Pronto and Uh in the

939
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: gym while we were there, getting his workout in, because

940
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: Chris is a workout fiend as well. But yeah, I'd

941
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: love to hear some stories from Shot Show from you oys.

942
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: S So um uh. There's a company called Packing Heat.

943
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: They've taken every year. They actually a year Moths for girls,

944
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: and they've taken every year. Then I just love it.

945
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: I signed the auto grouse and SMI kind of crowd hotographs,

946
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: taking pictures and see what's new out there. And since

947
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: I'll see a lot of old friends from the compound.

948
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: You ever seen Pat McNamara out there, because I would.

949
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: We were talking about him earlier today before you got online.

950
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: From the compound, I see so many of those guys

951
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: walking around. Are you Are you a gun guy? Hoist?

952
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: Totally very cool, totally young guy. I'm totally in favor

953
00:57:54,360 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: of of of I mean, I just like it for sport,

954
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: since I went to the compound learning how to shoot

955
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 1: from the boys, you got it. The only thing that sucks,

956
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,479
Speaker 1: it's almost it's almost like a peace of mind. Yeah,

957
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the leaving that's my time. I

958
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta concentrate, I gotta everything. People think it's

959
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: just grabbed a weapon and shoot. No, you've got to concentrate.

960
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to aim and pull the truger

961
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: into breathing and and everything. The whole body is working

962
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: art for you and always trying to make a better shot. Yeah,

963
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: And it's always you can always be better. You're never

964
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: good enough, you see, it is always can be improve

965
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: a little bit so the only thing I was gonna art,

966
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, the only thing that sucks about

967
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: it for you, much like us, is you're in California.

968
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: So I mean, if this is something you've gotten into,

969
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: it's just like there's not much you could own there, right, Yes,

970
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think I need foreigner. Yeah. So it's bad, man,

971
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: But hey, it's still it's still it's still a sport. Yeah,

972
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: it's still. Um, you're still able to do with DC.

973
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: It's not because it Conford is illegal. It's not illegal.

974
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: You can still practice. You can still go to the range.

975
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: You see, there's limit patients what you can have and

976
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: you cannot have. But I'm not. I'm not chaining to

977
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: go to war. And I practice because I like it,

978
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: because of the art, the respect that I have for

979
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: the weapon. So always I'll share a moment with you guys.

980
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: I was I used to have. I used to get

981
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: angry kind of easy and do a lot of fighting

982
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: all the time, most of us and uh so, um,

983
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: after my son got killed us, I started thinking about

984
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: a few things and I went to you know, therapy

985
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: for post traumatic stress, and you know, they were asking

986
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: what do you do, how do you control your anger,

987
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: How do you control this? How do you control that?

988
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: And I didn't have any real answers, and then they

989
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: switched up on me and said, so, what's the uh

990
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: what are you the most relaxed you've ever been in

991
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: your life? And what you just said is, uh, parallels

992
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: exactly that I said. Well, when I'm sitting on a

993
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: sniper scope, I don't think of anything in the world

994
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: that could be more relaxing, because, like what you just said,

995
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: you have to control your breathing, your grip, your heart rate,

996
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: your focus. I mean d percent of everything is dialed

997
01:00:54,240 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: into one one little dime sized spot three right, And

998
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: even if you hit the target perfect, okay, I gotta

999
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: make another one like that and another one and so

1000
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: always a challenge. Oh yeah, and then you gotta make

1001
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: and then you can make it faster. It's always you

1002
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: can always make it faster. There's always gonna be somebody

1003
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: that can shoot faster, so you can always everything. The

1004
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: whole thing is the art. To me, do you do

1005
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: a lot of pistol shooting also or long rifle? Yes, no, pistol,

1006
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: more pistol than rifle. Actually, So when I was going

1007
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: through s O T you know, learn how to kick

1008
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: down doors and shoot all the time. Uh, we're talking

1009
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: one of the instructors years ago, and uh, the topic

1010
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: came up, who's the fastest, and everybody wants to raise

1011
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: your hand, and another topic comes up. Yeah, right, who's

1012
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: the most accurate? And I think it's a lot like fighting.

1013
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: And let you have to let me know if you

1014
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: agree with so, so then agree. I agree. The instructor says,

1015
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: it's not who's the fastest, and it's not who's the

1016
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: most accurate. It's as smooth as who can be the

1017
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: most accurate and the fastest timing. So you gotta take

1018
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: a little off of both ends and smooth it out

1019
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: and be relaxed with it. You're greater. I think it

1020
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: applies Mark starts to the term knowledge of the smoothest

1021
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: fast came from man. I didn't know that. Absolutely, that's awesome.

1022
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: I think that applies to fighting too, right, more relaxed

1023
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: you are them? Or yes, definitely applied to to fighting too.

1024
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: So it's not who is the strongest, who's the fastest,

1025
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: it's knowledge is you've gotta know what you're doing, you

1026
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: gotta know how to do it. You gotta be able

1027
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: to relax and capitalize on your appoints mistake. I'm laughing,

1028
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: by the way, because we're not on cam today, But

1029
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: as you're saying this, Jim is wiping out his knife

1030
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: in front of me and demonstrating on me. Uh in

1031
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: a comical way. I enjoy I've loved, you know. I

1032
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: grew up fighting since I was a since my first memories,

1033
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, I just you know, my number

1034
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: one passion. It's like you and your father's it's like,

1035
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: not what's the best always? But how can you be

1036
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: your best? You know what works for you, and you'll

1037
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: never know if you don't reach out and study all

1038
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: styles and systems and people, because you know, everybody's got

1039
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: got a touch, you know. And I know one of

1040
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: the key things when I first started going commercial back

1041
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: in the early nineties, one of your techniques, you know,

1042
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: I study everybody's include you and between you and Joe

1043
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: Lewis are very memorable and uh, Bill Wallace, repetition seems

1044
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: to be the name of the game. But it's not

1045
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: how fast you can do the same thing over and

1046
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: over and over, but it's just working it methodically and

1047
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: correctly time and time again. So it just seems to

1048
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: become second nature. Is that you can you describe that? Well, yes,

1049
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: that's why we have to practice. A lot of people

1050
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: just want to train. Oh, I just like to train.

1051
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: But training it's great. But I mean, I mean a

1052
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: lot of people just want to seem but they don't

1053
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: want to practice. They just want to come in and fight.

1054
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Speaker 1: They just wanna. I just want to shoot. I just wanna.

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Speaker 1: I just want to spar. No, you have to practice.

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Speaker 1: You have to do the drills. That's what's going to

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Speaker 1: come from the end of the day. I noticed that

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Speaker 1: muscle muscle memory. Yeah, yeah, I noticed that if you

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Speaker 1: use your approach to that constant repetition with no ego.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's no ego, it's just do it, do it,

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Speaker 1: do it. You know, I know a lot of people

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Speaker 1: you may have experiences to your Maybe have you ever

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Speaker 1: been in a situation where you're trying to show somebody

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Speaker 1: and it's like they're fighting you the whole time? Yes? Yes,

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Speaker 1: how do you? How do you how do you exactly

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about? How do you get them to relax? Ah,

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Speaker 1: it's not a one class of deal. It takes time.

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Speaker 1: It takes time. Well, I said one class of deal.

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Speaker 1: It's many times in many practice sessions. Man, you've got

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Speaker 1: to be a patient instructor and constantly be teaching them. Yeah, UMIs,

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Speaker 1: But I don't want to take up too much of

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Speaker 1: your time here. We really appreciate you coming on with us,

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Speaker 1: and maybe you could do a part too at some point,

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Speaker 1: unless Jim is one last question, the only other thing

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Speaker 1: I was wondering, And we'll make sure we get out

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Speaker 1: your social media as well. Who do you feel there

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Speaker 1: is to look out for? I mean your family of

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01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: course included, but um you know in belator in the UFC,

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Speaker 1: who are you looking at as the next big up

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01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: and coming fighters? The people have to watch out for

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Speaker 1: Name and Gracie coming. He's he's actually part of the

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Speaker 1: tournament of the one seventy division for Bella to be

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Speaker 1: to just do is doing a one seventy uh and

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Speaker 1: seventy pound division of tournament and eight men tournament and

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Speaker 1: he's part of it. So Name and Grace is the

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01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: next upcoming Grace. And then my son is about to

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01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: get his second fight coming up soon, thirty five thirty

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01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: five coming out soon. If I can ask anyone, anyone

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Speaker 1: outside of your family though that you've been watching that

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Speaker 1: that you just like I like to watch the champions.

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01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: Why because they knew how to use strategy. They're not

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Speaker 1: just the to do get out and and put their

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Speaker 1: seat and just try to punch their way out. They

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Speaker 1: used shy. They make this title. It's beautiful. So I

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Speaker 1: like to watch all the champions. Awesome. Yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 1: have one question. It's kind of a fun question, but

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Speaker 1: it goes to the core of what what what? What

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Speaker 1: you trained for? I think just being who you are

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Speaker 1: and human nature being what it is. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: experienced just going to the store, out in the street

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Speaker 1: or in a restaurant where someone ever came up and

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Speaker 1: I actually wanted to challenge you, No, because they read

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Speaker 1: on my forehead, don't ask with me thaking lights going around,

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Speaker 1: I don't give them a chance. You see, you never

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Speaker 1: had a fight in the street, never walk away from one,

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Speaker 1: so the mentology very be reading my forehead. It's like,

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Speaker 1: like I was saying for in the beginning, is a

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Speaker 1: question of being ready, So how could they never read

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Speaker 1: it on you never walk away from a fight, but

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Speaker 1: never had to fight in the streets, never have to

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Speaker 1: beat somebody up. I'm a professional fighter, I get pay

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Speaker 1: for fight. Why am I going to fight? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So so I just got to ask a question why

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Speaker 1: it's not on my forehead because I've had so many

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Speaker 1: street fights. But I think I think it was the

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Speaker 1: environment that I put myself in. But the number of

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Speaker 1: times I've been hit in the back of the head

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Speaker 1: with a beer bottle or a fist because somebody wanted

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Speaker 1: to make a reputation for themselves, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the best thing is just not putting myself out in

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Speaker 1: the bars. But when I was younger, right, yes, I think, yes,

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Speaker 1: that's the best things. I mean to avoid that. I

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Speaker 1: want to avoid that kind of situation. That's why I said,

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Speaker 1: I'll look and see who's there and who's doing what,

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Speaker 1: and so that's nice. That brings it three and sixty

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Speaker 1: degrees back to where we started. That's excellent. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: would say, that's the difference. He's not you know, he's

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Speaker 1: not going to bars, he doesn't drink. It does make

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Speaker 1: a difference, I would think. And it's just constantly training, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I consider eating, sleeping part of my training.

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Speaker 1: That's why eat healthy. You see, have a very uh

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Speaker 1: let's say healthy lifestyle. Mhm. If I could ask, actually,

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Speaker 1: just as we're wrapping this up, what do you eat?

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Speaker 1: People might be interested in that, like what is a

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Speaker 1: day of eating for Hoist Gracie. Um, I eat everything.

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Speaker 1: I followed the Greece of diet, the Greece to diet.

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Speaker 1: We can eat everything. Would us combined the food towards

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Speaker 1: an easy digestion. So we just combined the food towards

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Speaker 1: eas leges and that's simple. It's uh, if we research

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Speaker 1: the grids diet, that's we eat everything. We just it's

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Speaker 1: not exactly a diets, more of a eating habits lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: I can't I can't afford to get sick on the

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Speaker 1: the fight. Yeah, imagine go to with the stomach diarrhea.

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Speaker 1: Have been there, done that. Yeah, that's why we tip,

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Speaker 1: That's why we do. We eat well. The website is

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Speaker 1: hoist Gracy dot com and of course most you know

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Speaker 1: spelled like you know in how we would pronunciate in

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Speaker 1: English Royce Gracy dot com, but it's r O y

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Speaker 1: c E g r A c i E dot com.

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Speaker 1: And then real Hoist same thing, uh, same spelling. Real

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Speaker 1: Hoists on Twitter and Instagram. Really appreciate you coming on. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to do this again if you're ever in

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Speaker 1: New York. Would love to have you in studio. Any

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Speaker 1: last words before we wrap this up. Life is good

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Speaker 1: in my world. I love to hear man. Very nice.

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Speaker 1: Thank you sir, Thanks Roys. This will be up tomorrow

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Speaker 1: and I'll shoot you over a link when it is.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate pleasure. Thanks great having hoist Gracie on

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Speaker 1: with us. Really enjoyed that interview. UM, And seriously, I

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Speaker 1: really would love to have him in studio at some point. UM.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we can make it happen. I would think at

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Speaker 1: some point the guy's got to be in New York

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Speaker 1: for these fights that his family members are in. UM

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Speaker 1: before I wrap things up with you, Jim. I of

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Speaker 1: course also wanted to let you guys know I was

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Speaker 1: gonna mention this at the beginning, but we're talking about

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Speaker 1: everything going on with you the book, so it just

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Speaker 1: kind of slipped my mind. Um, soft Rep. The website

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Speaker 1: softwarep dot com is now officially news Rep. This show

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Speaker 1: is remaining SOFTWAP Radio, but the site is news Rep. Um.

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Speaker 1: And if you listen back to the last episode with

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Speaker 1: Brandon Webb, he addresses all of it a lot more

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Speaker 1: in depth, the reasoning behind it. I mean, for one,

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Speaker 1: there was a time where most of the writers were

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Speaker 1: special operations veterans. We're covering just special operations and news.

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Speaker 1: We've become more of a news site. And as Brandon said, UM,

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Speaker 1: you know beyond just back Ops will always cover that stuff.

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Speaker 1: But it was really a database driven decision in that

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Speaker 1: people are gonna go to the website. They're gonna know

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Speaker 1: we're up to. And some of our biggest writers are

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Speaker 1: a former marine, but he's writing like the most articles

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Speaker 1: for the site. Um, you know, we have other guys

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Speaker 1: in the community writing things. But we're also going to

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Speaker 1: start covering things from financial angle, Um, you know, how

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Speaker 1: how wars that we're in, or how our foreign relations

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Speaker 1: will affect finance. So all of that is the reasoning

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Speaker 1: behind the name change. However, this show I think has

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Speaker 1: this show. So this is remaining Soft Prep Radio. The

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Speaker 1: main focus of this show is going to remain Special Operations.

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Speaker 1: I know the past few shows people have been like, dude,

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Speaker 1: what's going on because Jack's not here. I kind of

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Speaker 1: like to cover the spec up stuff when Jack is here. Hoyce, Gracie,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to bring you in, you know of Ernie

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Speaker 1: Emerson on I want to bring you in for that,

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Speaker 1: but like uh C J. Woodruff, that was just something

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Speaker 1: in my wheelhouse. Or if you listen to them, the

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Speaker 1: the Butcher from Serious x M, that was just something

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Speaker 1: that was a little bit more in my wheelhouse. We

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01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: didn't cover spec up stuff. We covered heavy metal. But

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Speaker 1: I did see I I've seen comments here and there

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01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 1: that are like, is the show just try to appeal

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01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: to everybody at this point? Are you not just covering

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01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 1: spackup stuff. No, we are, but we like to switch

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Speaker 1: it up and do different things. And you know, when

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Speaker 1: you have someone like Hoist Gracie on the show, different

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01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: people are going to discover the show. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you go into the podcast app and you just look

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Speaker 1: up the name points Gracy, You're then gonna come across

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Speaker 1: what we do and hopefully look back on old episodes,

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01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: including stuff with you, Jim and um. So. I think

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Speaker 1: that explains it. I'm excited for the name change and

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Speaker 1: the direction that we're going in. Uh Man, great interview

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Speaker 1: with Hoys. I'm I'm glad you were here for it. One.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the invitation. I think it was awesome, you

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01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 1: know because one, it went full circle. It it actually

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Speaker 1: finished where it started exactly. None of this was pre

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Speaker 1: pre rehearsed or plan It was off the cuff. And uh,

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Speaker 1: the the amazing linkage between Hois and the previous world

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01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: champions that I've ever trained with and spend time within

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01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 1: my lifetime. They all have the same basic philosophy of

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01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: their own, you know, not not something they read in

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01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: the book or but you know, all about whatever it

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01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,719
Speaker 1: is you do, you know, start with you know, master

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01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: the basics, and you know, I just I just thought

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01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: the whole interview about his family, uh, really important, how

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01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,799
Speaker 1: the UFC got started, between him and his brother Horyan,

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01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 1: and what happened when they moved to California with many

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01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: of the gentleman Those rumors are out there all the time,

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01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:36,560
Speaker 1: but nobody really knows, and now it's public. So I

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01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 1: just think it's really awesome and to tell us a

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Speaker 1: lot about the man. Absolutely um So once again, check

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01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,839
Speaker 1: him out at Real Hoyce spelled Real Royce on Twitter,

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01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 1: on Instagram, follow us especially check out that last video

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Speaker 1: gym on at Software Up Radio. I always love having

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Speaker 1: Jim in here, like genuinely you're a guy that I'm

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Speaker 1: just so glad to call a friend man, And you know,

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01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 1: I always love seeing you. It works both ways. It's

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01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: it's been it's been a while too well. I saw

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01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: you at the Versus and Curses thing, but it's been

1303
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: a while since you've been on the show, and like,

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01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 1: you're just such a mainstay on this show. People love

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01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: hearing updates from you. So when Shack's away, I always

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01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 1: got to give you a call and be like, can

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01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: you help me out for a couple of shows. I

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01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: have no excuses, man, as what we do. Friends take

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01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 1: care of friends. Hell yeah, man, anything you're promoting that

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01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 1: before you get out of here. I know you were

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01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: saying you could buy the talent, for example, right at

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01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 1: um American Extension Fighting dot com. Yeah, you can get

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01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 1: the talent or my signature and if just click on

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Speaker 1: the picture and it'll take you to another website where

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Speaker 1: you can purchase these. Of course, the price has been

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Speaker 1: reduced over the years because you always sold so many,

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01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 1: so you know it's a good time to buy. Uh,

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01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: if you come to that website or re email me

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01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,719
Speaker 1: from the website. I'm now getting more and more request

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01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: to come out and show people how to work the

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01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: tal on or you know, to train them. And so

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01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm doing more lectures and hand it to me. I

1323
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: don't know what that I'm doing. So yeah, I mean

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01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 1: I'm available for lectures seminars now, Uh, probably need to

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01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: at least twe notice thirty days is probably better, but

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Speaker 1: that's something interested in anither get back with Ian and

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01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 1: he can pass it on, or just go to my

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01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: website and I'll respond to your emails. Yeah, and our

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Speaker 1: email addresses still soft repped out radio at softwrep dot com.

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01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: I haven't really gotten the emails lately. UM. I also

1331
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: think they slowed down because a lot of the emails

1332
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: are spec ops questions and I can't answer those all

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01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: wait until Jack is back. But if you have any

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01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 1: questions for the podcast itself, you can always ask me. UM.

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01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:48,879
Speaker 1: I haven't mentioned it in a few episodes, but please,

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01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,759
Speaker 1: whether you're like a new listener or an old school

1337
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: listener that hasn't done it already, go on the app,

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Speaker 1: the Apple podcast app and leave a review for softwarep Radio. UM.

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Speaker 1: I've seen we've been like in the top five in

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Speaker 1: our category lately, but it's been a really long time

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01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 1: since we've been number one, which is unfortunate because the

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01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: podcast in terms of listens is bigger than it's ever been,

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01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 1: but there's just more competition out there. So leave a review,

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Speaker 1: leave us a five star review. It really helps us out,

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Speaker 1: gets us more visibility, and with that we can get

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01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: on more great guests like Hoys Gracie, although this was

1347
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: thanks to Alex Maltizo, so I have to shout her

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01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 1: out and haven't seen her in a while. I don't

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01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: know if you have, but she's awesome. So yeah, no,

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01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 1: I think that this interview might kick you back up

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01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 1: in that number one spot, but I hope so, man,

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01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: that would be great cool. I mean, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of history with where we are in sports to them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the UFC is getting as many views as

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01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: anything else these days, so as it should. I feel like,

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01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: you know, it took a while, I think for America

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01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 1: to come on board, and there there were changes to

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01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: the sport. You know, when you watch the sport when

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01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 1: you were involved in the UFC, it's it's a different

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01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,560
Speaker 1: months stir and you know, as things get more mainstream,

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01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: you have to change things. Well, like right, but like

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01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 1: HOWI said in the beginning, it was style against style.

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01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 1: Now it's a fighter against fighter and there's a lot

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01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: more technology, mathematics and strategy involved. So you know, to

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Speaker 1: watch those champions, you know, it's just everyone's on board.

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Speaker 1: Are you excited to see Connor McGregor fight again? Uh,

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01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see his opponent fight because it's it's

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01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: to me, it's gonna be a tell tales story. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure that after McGregor lost to uh Floyd Mayweather, that

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Speaker 1: he went back to the drawing board and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: cabeb is he's a money maker. Though he has a

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Speaker 1: hell of a money maker, great marketing strategy, but Cabib

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01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: is an animal, and I'd be really interested to see,

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Speaker 1: uh how this plays out and then what happens beyond this,

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01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: because once anyone loses the fight, when they especially when

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01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: they make as much noise Connor, they crawl out of

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01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: the woodwark, they line up to get him, and I

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01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: think could be was in a great spot. Not guarantee

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01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna win that, you know, he's gotta gotta figure

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Speaker 1: this thing out. I don't think he's gonna win in

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01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: the first round. So if he steps out in the hurry,

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01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: I think Connor will win. If he gets halfway through

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01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 1: the second round into the third round, I suspect Cold

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01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 1: is gonna win. So your predictions are usually spot on,

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01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 1: and I'm really excited about this fight. Uh. I love

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01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: when Jim gives predictions because like nine percent of the time,

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Speaker 1: it's exactly what you said it was gonna have. You know,

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01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: I could actually it's I don't think he's gonna be

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01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 1: listening or anything, and it's far from when it happened.

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Speaker 1: So I will give Jim credit on this. The last

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Speaker 1: fight of um Tim Kennedy's career, The last fight of

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01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 1: Tim Kennedy's career. We had one of the last interviews

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Speaker 1: with him, and you were like, I think you're gonna

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01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: be great and all that. You know, we had him

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01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 1: on so you know, you want to be positive with

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Speaker 1: the guy. After the fight, you called no, no, no.

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01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 1: After the interview. Before the fight, you called me and

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01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: you're like, man, just judge, you had that interview. I

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01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 1: don't think he has it. And I remember you were like,

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01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 1: he's playing soccer with his kid while he's interviewing with us.

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01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 1: He seems like he's care free. Yeah, you were like,

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01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: he sounds like he was a cold. I don't think

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01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: he's got this and you didn't say it on air

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01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 1: because it just wouldn't have been appropriate. But at this point,

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01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: I can tell you Jim said that to me and

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01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 1: you turned out to be a percent right. Yeah, I

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01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 1: think it was just bad time and for reasons unknown

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01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: to us but personal to him. And he has a

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01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: family guy, you know, a member of our family, you know.

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01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 1: So you know, I have nothing but mad respect for

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Speaker 1: do what Tim Kennedy has done. But I just felt

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01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 1: like it was a bad timing based on just what

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01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: we were hearing when you were interviewing him. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to see Nate ds fight again because I mean,

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01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 1: he's not getting any younger. Let this guy have a

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01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 1: few more fights, hey, hoy says the ages and material. Yeah,

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01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't think he'll be fighting much longer.

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Speaker 1: And it's just I'm tired of, like, you know, he

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01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 1: did those fights with McGregory that was great, but I'm

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Speaker 1: tired of this weight of like you know, not just him,

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01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: but but these great fighters where you're it's like a

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01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: two gap, two year gap between fights. Let him get

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01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 1: back in that cage. Naty has such an exciting fighter. Well,

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01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 1: the guys like could be, dude, A lot of guys

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01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 1: don't want to run just run right into Yeah, if

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01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: you ever go online and watch could be. When he

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01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 1: was growing up, his dad had him wrestling with bears.

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01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 1: I mean you can say it. Oh yeah, so he's

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01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 1: just you know if if you beat him and beat him,

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01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 1: but if you give him an ounce, he'll take the

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01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 1: whole pound, you know. So it's just gonna be a

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01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: really good fight. I'm excited, but like I said, people

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01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 1: don't rush into that fight. Yeah. Well, Jim, it's a pleasure,

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01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: is always. Jim will be back here next week when

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Speaker 1: we have Ernie Emerson on. Yeah, I mean, you love

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01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: talking knife fighting, so this is gonna be good. Are

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01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 1: you a fan of Emerson knives? Sir, I'm a fan

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01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: of all knives, but yes, Emerson has a some of

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01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: of the better product out there period. And uh, maybe

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01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 1: I'll bring my badge room let him look. Well, yeah,

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01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: he might be on. He might be on via skype though,

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01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: so maybe I bring from via skype. Uh yeah, I

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01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,719
Speaker 1: mean if Emerson match produces the Badge, Ray'd be pretty

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01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 1: bad ass. It would be good for both of us. Yeah,

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01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: all right, guys, um enjoy and We'll the new upset

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Speaker 1: up Friday. As always, signing out for Gym West, Myselfie

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