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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot

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Speaker 1: screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys apt now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,

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Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola and it's time for another edition of

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Speaker 1: mix Shots. And this is the very first offseason edition

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Speaker 1: of mix Shots for twenty twenty one. We have officially

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Speaker 1: turned the page into the new year. Bill Jones with

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Speaker 1: Everson Walls and Mickey Spagnola inside the SWBC Mortgage Studios

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Speaker 1: at Ford Center at the Star in Frisco. And Everson,

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Speaker 1: you got cowboy blue on what you got on there?

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Speaker 1: It's my favorite blue. Yesterday I had on my coach

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Speaker 1: McCarthy jacket from mister Mickey Spagnola. This one was from

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Speaker 1: the from Jerry Jones himself. You know, don't get jealous

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Speaker 1: bags friends. So I thought Micky was the only one

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Speaker 1: that Jerry gave things to. So somehow he stopped. He's

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Speaker 1: still pay it, Everson now now it's with Hail Unfortunately

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Speaker 1: for ever soon that's all he's getting paid. So Mickey,

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Speaker 1: how are things at the Star in Frisco? Well morning,

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Speaker 1: they're going through their exit the remaining exit interviews today.

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy last night when he did his press conference,

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Speaker 1: UH said that they got through thirty two of them,

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Speaker 1: so he probably had thirty two at least thirty two

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Speaker 1: more to go, so they were continuing that today. We

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Speaker 1: heard from Layton vander Esh. We were supposed to hear

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Speaker 1: from Ceedee Lamb. I don't know that that took place yet.

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Speaker 1: And we heard from Jerry Jones this morning one more

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Speaker 1: time on his radio segment. And then it's just time

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Speaker 1: to move into the offseason, talk about that draft position,

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Speaker 1: talk about the upcoming opponents, and start reviewing this season

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Speaker 1: and put it to bed. We can also talk about

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Speaker 1: Joe Judge not a happy camper, by the way. That's

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Speaker 1: what I want to talk about. That it's causing a

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Speaker 1: big stir on both sides, right. I thought that was

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Speaker 1: pretty interesting. And former Cowboys assistant coach Anthony Lynn got

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Speaker 1: fired today with the Chargers, so a lot of wheels

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Speaker 1: turning into Garrett is being interviewed for Jason Garrett's being

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Speaker 1: interviewed for that Charger's job. I didn't see very good. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And ever since I'm watching the NFL network and I

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Speaker 1: got breaking news Byron Jones had an interception against the

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Speaker 1: Bills Sunday. I'm sitting there watching. He had a toad

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Speaker 1: drag on the sideline. I guess the way he got credited.

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Speaker 1: He gets zero. He gets the problem for getting zero interceptions, right,

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Speaker 1: that was what last year? He's got your number all

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Speaker 1: years ago. He's he's all pro. He's getting one interception

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Speaker 1: and they'll probably put him in the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: just because of that one in the second So he

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Speaker 1: got paid all that money. Was that his first one

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Speaker 1: of the year? That is his only one of the year?

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Speaker 1: Is it early? Well, yes, maybe he just switched to

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Speaker 1: number twenty four. That's why he got the interception. He

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Speaker 1: thought he thought it was the number, like like the

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Speaker 1: Jordan in the shoes. No, no, it's not the number.

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Speaker 1: See see he thought it was the number because he

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Speaker 1: saw a Woozier get an interception this year. So he said, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's twenty four. Wait, you've got sudden levels of twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Let's establish that right now. Okay before we go on. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's twenty four, Okay, two thousand and there's pre two.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four is it's big difference, a big all right,

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Speaker 1: all let's start. Joe Judge tell it. Tell me what

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Speaker 1: you think about what Joe Judge said about Doug Peterson.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear Mick Star tell me stuff, Mick,

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Speaker 1: What's what's going on with this man? No, he called

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Speaker 1: out Peterson for not upholding the integrity of the game

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Speaker 1: and not trying to win the game with the Eagles. Uh,

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Speaker 1: not only pulling his quarterback when it's basically a three

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Speaker 1: point game and putting in a guy that really hadn't

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Speaker 1: played all year. But also I think they sat like

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Speaker 1: eight or nine guys. I think they listed him as injured.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how injured they were. But he thought

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Speaker 1: he wasn't trying to uphold the integrity of the game.

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Speaker 1: And I've seen Michael Irvin come down on the other

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Speaker 1: side saying, old, quit complaining, you had sixteen games to

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Speaker 1: win enough games to win the division. Don't be depending

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Speaker 1: on somebody else to help you out in the last game.

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Speaker 1: That guy's gonna take care of his own business. So

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Speaker 1: now he's Mike's right about that. I'll give him that.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we all need to be beholding to

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Speaker 1: you cannot justify what you did. And trust me, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a Giants fan. I tell people all the time

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Speaker 1: guess it's no way you can justify and he couldn't.

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Speaker 1: Doing the press conference, watching him try and justify Coach

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Speaker 1: Peterson try and justify that move, that was the most

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable thing I think I've seen in a long time.

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Speaker 1: It was worse than when my my my daughter was

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Speaker 1: trying to lie her way out of tearing up one

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Speaker 1: hundred dollar bill. You just can't lie your way out

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Speaker 1: of that. You're the only one that did it, So

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Speaker 1: whatever your reasoning is, you can't even make it sound good.

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Speaker 1: That was. It was a pitiful postgame press press conference.

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Speaker 1: yeah she was. She was only five years old. And

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Speaker 1: guess who was with her? Ron Springs daughter was with her.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't spake her. I wanted to spake it so

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Speaker 1: bad because not my kid. I didn't I didn't hear.

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear Doug Peterson's press conference, so I didn't

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Speaker 1: hear exactly what he was saying. But I do see

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Speaker 1: Jalen hurt stats in the game, and he was just

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Speaker 1: seven out of twenty for seventy two yards with a

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Speaker 1: quarterback rating of twenty five point four. Now he was awful,

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Speaker 1: and and I thought of it when they pulled him.

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Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I'd have pulled him sooner than that.

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Speaker 1: So the j the Jalen Hurts train slowed down greatly.

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Speaker 1: I think all this talk about okay so so so.

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Speaker 1: Considering that, and Mickey you said that you thought they

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Speaker 1: probably should have pulled him earlier, then what's the beef about?

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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson? And I said yesterday it was obvious at

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Speaker 1: the in the final drive of the game, they weren't

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Speaker 1: trying to win the game. I mean the final play

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Speaker 1: you know, and not even try to win the game.

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Speaker 1: But what's what's everybody's beef about? Peterson. If Hurts was

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Speaker 1: playing that poorly, yeah, and I don't know that they

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Speaker 1: they mentioned Hurts was playing poorly. They just mentioned that

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Speaker 1: he sat, uh eight guys and that the other guy

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Speaker 1: put a quarterback well, and they had Carson Wentz and active.

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Speaker 1: By the way, yes, that was the problem. You could

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Speaker 1: have gone to wins, but he had to go to Sudfeld.

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Speaker 1: But you don't have a win snaps. No, you don't

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Speaker 1: That was a non factor. He was a non move

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Speaker 1: not that Bill in SPACs. It was not about, uh,

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Speaker 1: what Hurch's playing badly. That was not his explanation post

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Speaker 1: a game. It was all about trying to get this

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Speaker 1: playing time. Shut up, They're not trying to get playing

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Speaker 1: time for people. The last half the last half of

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Speaker 1: weren't really Yeah, the numbers were not good at all

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Speaker 1: put They didn't even try to offer a reason a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, that gave Hurts the benefit of the

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Speaker 1: the time to take him out simply because you're only

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Speaker 1: three points down. You're only three points down with a

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Speaker 1: make that move. M very interesting. I agree that go ahead,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Mickey, I was gonna know, I was gonna

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Speaker 1: tell everything. I agree that that that it. I agree

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Speaker 1: ought to play it out. In fact, I think here

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Speaker 1: I thought ever since the NFL went to this, uh

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Speaker 1: understand why they do it. They an opportunity to have

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Speaker 1: of the season, because too many times the division games

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Speaker 1: and there's too many times that teams are eliminated and

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Speaker 1: you're taking one of those important division games that you play,

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Speaker 1: just leads the door even why they're open for Let's

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Speaker 1: I am I? We all do that makes sense to you.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's what I think they should do. You know,

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Speaker 1: because that way you're having you're playing these basically the

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Speaker 1: In fact, I would the way I would schedule it

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Speaker 1: the first week of the season and the other one

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Speaker 1: the last week of the season, and that way, the

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Speaker 1: middle fourteen games of your schedule, they're the exact same

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Speaker 1: teams you're playing other teams in your division, and that way,

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Speaker 1: I was wondering, and it was Michael Irvin and who

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Speaker 1: it pretty Marcus Spears. I was wondering had the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: because it would have been Philadelphia needs to win so

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Speaker 1: suites and so he's watching the Network TV broadcast and

429
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: I got watching the stadium video board, which is what

430
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's having to watch down on the field, and

431
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: I guarantee you the Giants are not putting the shots

432
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: on the board that the opposing coach needs to see

433
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: to challenge a play, you know. And here's the other thing.

434
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing. What happens sometimes on the road

435
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: in stadiums that even if you have the TV up

436
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: and you're receiving the game, sometimes it's delayed. The delay

437
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not real time. And I think

438
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: it's kind of delayed a little bit in the Cowboys

439
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: press box. I think not on the board, but the

440
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: TV copy is delayed. And there's a couple of different

441
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: channels they can put it on. One of them is

442
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: more real time, and there's another one which is through

443
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: cable or whatever that is or direct TV that has

444
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: a delay on it. Yeah, and that's the coaches booth.

445
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: All of this, all of this technology, all of this technology,

446
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: we have, all of this technology we have. You're gonna

447
00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: tell me, we can't have a universal process on how

448
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: the videos are going to come through, what you're gonna see,

449
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: how it's gonna be done, And you have to work

450
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: within that paradigm as far as hurrying up. If you

451
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: have to offensively to try and hide the you know,

452
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: the question called question play. You could do all of that,

453
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: but it's got to be a universal process. If we

454
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: have too much technology to where oh man, we couldn't

455
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: have access to it. You couldn't get access to it.

456
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: But you might have access to me in the showers somewhere,

457
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: but you can't get access to a replay on the video.

458
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's it's a way to make this happen,

459
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: whether you're on the road or not. Exactly. It has

460
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: to be a universal process through the NFL when it

461
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: comes to this type of thing. The only obligation the

462
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: home team has is if the play is under a review,

463
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: they are supposed to show what the officials looking at.

464
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: That's the only obligation they have. So if it's a

465
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: if it's a questionable call and it doesn't get challenged,

466
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: you know what, we don't think we need to show see,

467
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: we don't neither. No, that's not part of football. No,

468
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: here's the YadA, YadA YadA. There's no YadA, YadA YadA

469
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: in this. That means to be a firm process and

470
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: a fair process. I've got their firm I've got one.

471
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: The nothing different depending on what stadium you're in or whatever.

472
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: I got the firm fair process on it. Now. I

473
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: didn't know what zoom was until March. Now everybody knows

474
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: what zoom is. I use it right here in my

475
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: office for my television broadcast because there's a delay on

476
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: my cable and so when I'm narrating highlights, I can't.

477
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: I can't narrate highlights and look at my home TV.

478
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: But so what the TV station does is they've got it.

479
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm on a zoom with the TV station where it

480
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: is basically in real time. There might be a half

481
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: second delay where they zoom me the broadcast from the

482
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Speaker 1: TV station and it comes right to me right there.

483
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: And so all they have to do the NFL has

484
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: to do is through Zoom, WebEx whatever format they want

485
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: to use on it is for each coach's box in

486
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: the league, they have the network TV broadcast zoomed to

487
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: that coach's box where from the NFL office with real

488
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: time or from the network wherever it has to be

489
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: to where in real time the coaches in the booth

490
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: have the same access to high to replace that what

491
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: people at home have and and you're not dependent on

492
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: the home team giving you the feed or anything like that.

493
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: You're in charge of it yourself. You get you set

494
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: up the zoom feed where you can see it for yourself.

495
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: That's all you got it. And a good example of

496
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: that is what we're doing right now, because I've got

497
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: the live feed and you guys are two seconds behind me.

498
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: And that's why talk over each other, right and see

499
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: this is not a reaction of well because it only

500
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: happened to the Cowboys. Now you guys want to make

501
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: all these changes. I've always thought there was a Kouki

502
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: relationship between video versus you know what, the other teams

503
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: see what stadium you're in and all that kind of crap.

504
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: You know, that's old school football. You know what, we

505
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: can find out, what kind of loopholes we can you know,

506
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: break into in regards to the process. That all needs

507
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: to be eliminated. Now, Man, nobody's worried about or what

508
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: we got to wear long cleach now because the Raiders

509
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: went the field or all that little craziness. Man, get

510
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: that mess out of the way. Let's just play some

511
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: football and stop trying to be tricksters. So let's just

512
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: be athletes, sort of like finding Alvin Kamara for having

513
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: a red shoe and a green shoe for Christmas. Seriously, really,

514
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: oh yeah, they find yeah, absolutely okay. The second question

515
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: was the two point conversion. Should they have gone for it?

516
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: And I thought, it's too early in the game. It's

517
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: right at the beginning of the fourth quarter, right, And

518
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: Jerry's comment was I'm good with that that they didn't

519
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: do it, and he goes, plus, he goes, we don't

520
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: do so well in the red zone. Nothing like brutal

521
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: honesty the press. And then it was next about the

522
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: season and he said, number one, we fell short of

523
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: what we thought we could accomplish. And he said, I

524
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: think we underestimated what the impact of not being with

525
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: the team in the offense, I mean in the offseason was.

526
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: And he said, in specially on defense. You know, we

527
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: were trying and he's said this before, we're trying to

528
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: implement these new techniques, a new scheme, and he goes,

529
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: and we didn't have an opportunity to, you know, do

530
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: more than zoom and walk throughs on the field, and

531
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: he said, and we underestimated the impact. He said, we

532
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: probably should have stayed with the overall philosophy. The one

533
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: we had and he said, that's on me, that's the GM,

534
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: and that's the second time he's kind of said that,

535
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: And so he thought that they should have put emphasis

536
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: on familiarity, not try to change so much stuff because

537
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: it took so long to try to get everything changed.

538
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Let me throw in something I was listening

539
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 1: to on Monday morning. I listened to Bill Belichick's end

540
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: of season press conference, and they asked him about the

541
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: whole offsea and this is you know, and obviously he's

542
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: been there for twenty years, and so it wasn't a

543
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: new coaching staff, but they do have new players that

544
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: come in, yeah, every year. And he went on and

545
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: on talking about the very same thing that you're talking about, Mickey,

546
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: and what Jerry was talking about, the whole WebEx and

547
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: the virtual offseason and everything, and how the players were

548
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: not getting as far as the complex things that they

549
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 1: were trying to teach the players in the off season

550
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: leading up to it. Their retention which just was not

551
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: there for new players, and they didn't know that until

552
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: they get on the field, and sometimes you don't know

553
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: that even until you get on the field in a game.

554
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: And of course they even had a situation. And the

555
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: Cowboys did too, where they had to go virtual at

556
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: some point during the season and they players were not

557
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: on the same page at all. And I think a

558
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: lot of what the Cowboys were doing defensively you can

559
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: attribute to the trying to learn this offense and a

560
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: virtual capacity even though you're starting a week earlier in April,

561
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: and you're taking it throughout the off season. As coaches,

562
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: unless you are or hands on and can be on

563
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: the field and demonstrating and all that sort of stuff,

564
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: you don't know what they're grasping. And especially when you're

565
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: just talking on a video conference with twenty different guys

566
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: or however many it might be that that you have

567
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: in your position group during the off season. And uh,

568
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: and so I think that that is very real. But

569
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: all teams went through that this year. And he pointed,

570
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: and he pointed that out. He went on to say, Uh,

571
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: he said that many teams had serious problems and things

572
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: that were related to COVID. Uh, you know, but they're

573
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, he said, So people got the job

574
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: done with COVID. We got to wear that crown. They

575
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: did and we didn't. Meaning they got the job done,

576
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: that is, But let me let me throw him one

577
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: more thing on that the one thing though, with a

578
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: new coaching staff, and you remember making Bill Parcels, and

579
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: of course ever since you would know this from Parcels

580
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: that you know. He talked a lot in his press

581
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: conferences about teaching players, and he talked about how different

582
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: people learn in different ways. There are visual learners. There

583
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: are others where they can comprehend what you're telling them

584
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: just by word of mouth. But some people you have

585
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: to get out there and actually demonstrate it. With a

586
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: new coaching staff that has totally new players, they don't

587
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: know their players well enough to know, Okay, is this

588
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: a visual learner over here? Or is this a guy

589
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: that can get it if I just write him a note?

590
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: Whatever you know? And so there is where a new

591
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: coaching staff is at a disadvantage because they don't know

592
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: their players and how they learn. So now you know

593
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: what teachers went through trying to teach virtually to lashroom.

594
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: Can you imagine you got a twelve year old and

595
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: I've had teachers tell me this, right that they're trying

596
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: to teach and they're looking on the screen and there's

597
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 1: two kids sleeping over there, right, And there's no parent

598
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: there to administer things, and it's like, how do I

599
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: wake that person up? I can't go shake them, or

600
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: like they used to do when we were out in

601
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: elementary school, either throw the e racer at you, or

602
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: one teacher had that stick, that pointing stick that he

603
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 1: would throw it like a spirit at somebody. Yeah, yeah,

604
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: the yard stick or going banging on the desk and

605
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: just shocked the hell out of somebody. It get fired

606
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: today unfortunately, Oh my god. Okay. Also, he was asked

607
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: out after this season not having DAC did that give

608
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 1: him more leverage and negotiations and Jerry said, I don't

609
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: know how you could have any more leverage than he

610
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: already has. He basically said, he's the he's the picture

611
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: postcard of legend of leverage. He goes and it's substantiated

612
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: by but he also said, but he also said, but

613
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: that's substantiated. But what we offered him today, meaning this year,

614
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: that they've given him what they thought was a fair

615
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: thing because of his leverage, and they wanted more, and

616
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: then they made the mistake of asking, well, well, what's

617
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: the difference between years four and five? And they got

618
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: a lecturer on the cap right, And it's like, you know,

619
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: you buy a car and you can pay it off

620
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: in three years and pay more, or you can pay

621
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: it off for six years and pay less. And they

622
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: got an economics listen too much? How many people fell

623
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: asleep doing that one? Hey, but you're talking about the

624
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: kids and the and the virtual learning. That's just how

625
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: bad it can get. I remember on Twitter they have

626
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: one moment where one of the kids passed gas while

627
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: the teacher was trying to teas all that, so you

628
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: could just imagine all the distractions that grown ups have.

629
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: These are grown young men who are trying to learn

630
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: a new system with the distractions that might have been

631
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: going on. But as you said, you know the person

632
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: that came out the best. Yeah, it had to be

633
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: luck of the draw in regards to what you had

634
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: to deal with. But as you had those issues, then

635
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: your expertise and how you dealt with people and dealt

636
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: with crises during that season, that says a lot about

637
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: you as a coaching staff. We had the worst we

638
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: can't say the worst luck. We had some of the

639
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: worst luck in regards to injuries. As far as any

640
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: team around the NFL could. We could put ours at

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Speaker 1: the top. Forget the COVID stuff. It was just the

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Speaker 1: injuries that we had to deal with that just were,

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Speaker 1: you know, ridiculous for us. So we just didn't deal

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Speaker 1: with that. Well, those teams that were blessed enough, not

645
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Speaker 1: good enough, but blessed enough to where they have fewer injuries,

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Speaker 1: especially on the offensive line, those were the ones that

647
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Speaker 1: were more consistent throughout the season. Well, you know what,

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Speaker 1: and and and it's funny you mentioned that because when

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Speaker 1: Stephen Jones did his UH segment yesterday and they were

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Speaker 1: talking about the need for a quarterback, and Stephen said,

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Speaker 1: Jarreny and I were looking at who's who was who

652
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Speaker 1: was in last night meeting the playoffs, and he said,

653
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Speaker 1: and it was their starting quarterbacks having most of the season.

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Speaker 1: So if you look at the playoff teams, here's some

655
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Speaker 1: of the starting quarterbacks, Goff Rogers, Wilson, Brady, Rivers, Jackson, Mahomes, Mayfield, Roethlisberger, Tannehill,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Oh, sorry, Alex Smith, but if you look

657
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Speaker 1: at those guys, the majority of those teams had those

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks the entire season. And I left out Mayfield. I

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Speaker 1: think the majority of them had those I did, okay, Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, some of them might have missed a game

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Speaker 1: or two. I don't know, Breeze missed two or three games.

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Speaker 1: But boy, all that talk about, well, they're not going

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Speaker 1: to rush him back because Tayson Hill's playing so well.

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Speaker 1: The minute Breeze was healthy, he was back on the field.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, that was Drew brees decision. So

666
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Speaker 1: anyone else's I'm playing, but I thought it was it

668
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: was a good point. And the other thing Bill on

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Speaker 1: the injuries. It's one thing to have injuries spread out

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Speaker 1: over the team. It's another thing to have injuries to

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Speaker 1: offensive line like the Cowboys have. Because you know what,

672
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: this league doesn't have enough quality offensive lightman to start with.

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Speaker 1: That's why those those those spring leagues fail because they

674
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Speaker 1: for them to have a good game. And when you're

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Speaker 1: missing three guys who could be Pro bowlers, because I

677
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: think Lall Collins was on his way to be a

678
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Speaker 1: Pro Bowler, how do you compensate for that? And not

679
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Speaker 1: only that, but then you lose the guy that was

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Speaker 1: the backup to those tackles. You lost him. So now

681
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Speaker 1: you're down to the backup, to the backup that matters.

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Speaker 1: And I know they don't want to make excuses, and

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Speaker 1: that's fine, I get it. But when you look at

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Speaker 1: those things and it's like, wow, what are the cowboys

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Speaker 1: gotta do? They gotta blow this up and start over. No,

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Speaker 1: hands on these guys, it would have fixed their problems.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. So we always talk about,

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Speaker 1: I know me defense being the star warth of any team.

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Speaker 1: To me, the COVID has shown that the offensive line

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Speaker 1: might be the most important unit on any squad. And

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Speaker 1: I never would have said that before this year. And

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Speaker 1: if you think about it, if you had that defense,

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Speaker 1: you can survive not playing well offensively. You know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: you gotta win a game twenty to seventeen. Sometimes you

696
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Speaker 1: gotta win a game seventeen to twelve. And so you're

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Speaker 1: struggling offensively. But if your defense steps up and is

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Speaker 1: not ranked twenty third and thirty first against the run,

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Speaker 1: you know, the last I think I looked, that's the

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Speaker 1: lowest they've been ranked on defense since twenty twelve, when

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Speaker 1: first in run defense. So that tells you how bad

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Speaker 1: nine pm. One other one other note. You know those

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Speaker 1: So okay, eight of the top eleven rated quarterbacks for

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Speaker 1: top fifteen are in the old ones not in the

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Speaker 1: top fifteen, Roethlisberger, goff uh Smith and true Biscuits. Yeah, quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: which three of the top eleven did not make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson was second, Cousins didn't make it, and carr

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Speaker 1: And and Herbert and the top fifteen. Yeah, yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: the top fifteen. Yeah, okay, all right, all right. What

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Speaker 1: about Mike Nolan. What's gonna happen with Mike Nolan? Yeah,

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00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: that's a good question. Uh, you know that m DeMarcus

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Speaker 1: Lawrence did his conference call yesterday and he was asked

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Speaker 1: about the defense and asked about Nolan and uh, you

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Speaker 1: know kind of and they asked it very generally to him,

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Speaker 1: but that he knew what they were asking. And his

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Speaker 1: answer was, we went through some tough battles at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the sea. Not me personally with coach, but

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying in general, as a defense, we went

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Speaker 1: through tough battles. When you're playing with young guys on defense,

778
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Speaker 1: you have to take into consideration that some things that

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Speaker 1: are easy for me won't be easy for the next person.

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Speaker 1: I respect Mike as a man because he looked himself

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Speaker 1: in the mirror and he changed some things to make

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Speaker 1: us play faster than helped us play better. I mean,

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00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: it was later in the season, but we started to

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Speaker 1: see improvements, and I think it really shine light on

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Speaker 1: the top of players, on the type of players we are.

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Speaker 1: So he kind of generally suggested that, yeah, there might

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Speaker 1: have been some disagreements with what they were being asked

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Speaker 1: to do or how they were being asked to do it.

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Speaker 1: Early in the season. Did anyone ask to Marcus if

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Speaker 1: they run a three four or four three defense? They

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Speaker 1: did not, And I and you know what, And I

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Speaker 1: still can't tell when they had five guys on the

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Speaker 1: line if it was a three to four or if

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Speaker 1: it was a four to three with one of the

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Speaker 1: And that's what it looked like to me, because I

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Speaker 1: saw Laurence arm Song this last game dropping in the

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Speaker 1: coverage and made a play. Did he absolutely did? But

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Speaker 1: I also saw Xavier Woods having to play linebacker in

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Speaker 1: the nickel against two tight ends and he got the

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Speaker 1: ever eleven daylights knocked out of him by an offensive

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Why did Randy Gregory only play twenty snaps?

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Speaker 1: That's a very good question, because the question was asked

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Speaker 1: last week that oh, he wasn't playing that many snaps.

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Speaker 1: Now he's playing a lot of snap and then he

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Speaker 1: goes back to twenty snaps, right, and he and I

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Speaker 1: went back. I was I went back and the coaches

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Speaker 1: film wasn't loaded yet on NFL dot com whatever, and

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Speaker 1: so I wouldn't have a look at coaches film. But

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Speaker 1: I went back and last night and looked at the

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Speaker 1: first quarter, and it looked like Gregory got a decent

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Speaker 1: number of snaps early in the game. I was wondering

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Speaker 1: if anything may have happened to him that or just

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Speaker 1: because whatever whatever their substitution pattern was, did for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: he didn't get more snaps later in the game. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure. Maybe it was because the Giants had a

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Speaker 1: more two tight ends. Uh, you know they used two

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Speaker 1: tight ends a lot in the game. Um, even three

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Speaker 1: tight ends, right, three tight ends, So tight ends. If

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Speaker 1: you count up that the snaps of the tight ends

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Speaker 1: for the Giants in that game, they uh, there were

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Speaker 1: fifty eight offensives snaps and ninety six tight ends snaps,

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Speaker 1: so they were you know, pushing it to almost where

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Speaker 1: there were two tight ends all the time. In fact,

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Speaker 1: there were just twenty snaps difference between the two tight

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Speaker 1: ends and three wide receiver formations. And you remember, and

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Speaker 1: you remember over the last few years, how Garrett used

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Speaker 1: to get criticized because he ran too many two tight

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Speaker 1: ends and he ran right over the cowboys with two

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Speaker 1: tight ends. Oh the ends they run and they know

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Speaker 1: the cowboys are gonna run. Why do they do that?

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Speaker 1: Let's spread them out. Well, they ran three tight ends

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Speaker 1: and ran right over the cowboys. How do they think

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Speaker 1: they were able to run more two tight ends? Now?

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Speaker 1: I just had to ask that, what did you say?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry? What was that? How's it feeling think Jason Garrett?

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Speaker 1: I mean, we I really haven't heard him brought up.

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Speaker 1: It was like, you know, he's gotta be as much

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Speaker 1: as he's upset with Peterson. I'm sure he is. He

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Speaker 1: won't say it. He's gotta be sitting back like, you

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Speaker 1: know what, they can kiss my butt. He's gotta be

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Speaker 1: thinking that right now. Because we was so happy to

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Speaker 1: get rid of him. Here we go and all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, all of a sudden comes down to Jason

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Speaker 1: Garrett and the cow versus the Cowboys. I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: not even talking about the fact that he came out

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Speaker 1: and I saw on Twitter a lot of snarky comments about, oh,

852
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's getting, you know, at the thirty first ranked

853
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: offense in the league this year with the with the Giants,

854
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: and he's getting interviews for head coaching jobs, and they

855
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: act as if he didn't do anything here in Dallas

856
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: the same. If he's gonna get to me, if he's

857
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: gonna get any no the riety or any type of consideration,

858
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: it would be because of course what he did what

859
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Because to me, if you're in the NFC East,

860
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: you're six and ten, your your quarterback, I mean, your

861
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: team ranking is as bad as it was thirty first.

862
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's gonna be beating this door down

863
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: well because of this, not because of this past season,

864
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: but it would have to be because of what he

865
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: did with the Cowboys, and maybe they weren't able to

866
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: go after him at that time because they were already

867
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: dealing with another coaches seeing how that was going to

868
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: work out. But yeah, it would be based on what

869
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett did before he got to New York, but

870
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: would not. All he had a chance to do was

871
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: just stick it to the Cowboys. That's it. He just

872
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: stuck it to the Cowboys and then he can move on.

873
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 1: But if you look objectively at what the Giants had

874
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: on offense, and they lose se Quon Barkley earlier in

875
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: the year, they had Nate Soldier who opted out their

876
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: left tackle at the beginning of the year, so they

877
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: had to play their rookie first round pick at left tackle,

878
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: and they had to start Cam Fleming at right tackle

879
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: the entire year. There's if we look at it objectively,

880
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: they didn't have much to work with even to begin with.

881
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: I mean, Kas McCarthy should be Coach of the Year exactly.

882
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: I mean it's the same for a lot of teams.

883
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: And there's a reason, there's a reason Doug Peterson is

884
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: probably on the hot seat in Philadelphia beyond what he

885
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: did the other day because and and the reasons are

886
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: because when you look at what the Eagles had and

887
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: their the injuries on their offensive line. You know, back

888
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: when we were looking at when the Steelers came to town,

889
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: and you look at the Steelers and that was halfway

890
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: through the season, ninth or tenth game of the year,

891
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: and you looked at their injuries and they had lost nobody,

892
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: and you wonder, well there was you didn't have to

893
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: wonder why they're unbeaten. I mean, they had one injury,

894
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: their middle linebacker was the only injury of the year,

895
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: and they were able to trade for for one right

896
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: before the deadline when he went down. Uh, And so

897
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: it's it's just so huge, uh, staying healthy in this league.

898
00:55:55,239 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not We're talking about the defense and

899
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan, and you know, I'm thinking, of course, I

900
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: always think of Jalen Smith and our linebackers and how

901
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: they played in this system. And I know we're talking

902
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: differently from three to four four three versus the flex defense,

903
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: which is what I grew up on and actually played under.

904
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: Does anybody remember, even when we were getting stomped, how

905
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: many tackles Eugene Lockhart had those two years. He set

906
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: a record in eighty nine because no one else was

907
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: tackling and yet he was still making tackles. He didn't

908
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: use that excuse of having probably the worst defensive line.

909
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: If it wasn't the aging all from all pros that

910
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: we had, then you had. But they were bringing guys

911
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: in that I mean, they were bringing guys in that

912
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: had just run a good forty time like three days ago.

913
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: So okay, let's put this guy in at defensive linement,

914
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: and Spags was there. He saw that crap. You have

915
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: to you have to really take your head off to

916
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: a guy that got over two hundred tackles two years

917
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: in the roots bags under such horrible conditions. I think

918
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: we were three and thirteen and eighty eight times last year,

919
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: and we were one in fifteen. Of course in eighty

920
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: nine I used to come into the huddler and look

921
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: at Eugene Lockhart and it's almost as if during the

922
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: game his pad started to wear down. That's just how

923
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: many tackles he was making. Two hundred plus. He has

924
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: a ring, he's got, he's got he should have more

925
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: than one ring, because he had over two hundred tackles

926
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: two years in the row. If I'm not mistaken, and

927
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad Bill's looking that up for me, but whatever

928
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: number he comes up with, it's going to be amazing.

929
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: And see, that's the kind of stubbornness that a linebacker had.

930
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: All good linebackers that I've known were extremely stubborn, like

931
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: I don't care what the odds are, I'm gonna go

932
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: in here. I'm gonna raise hell today. And that was

933
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: always Lockhart's deal. He always used to say, you better

934
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: buckle up your chin strap. And he said that a

935
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: little bit more provocatively than what I can say on

936
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: the TV on the air. And so that attitude I

937
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: don't see from our linebackers, even with Vanderesh and Jalen. Now,

938
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: of course Sean Lee has that mentality. He just his

939
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: body just can't hold up. And he wasn't nearly as

940
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: big as Eugene was. But when you start talking about

941
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: determination at the linebacker position, that's the kind of thing

942
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: that I'm kind of looking for. I mean, I played

943
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: with with Lockhart. I played not to complay Lockhart to

944
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: LT But then you're talking about guys that have the

945
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: same mentality, not the same talent, but the same mentality.

946
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: And that's the kind of mentality I think is missing

947
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: for Mike Nolan. So I'm not blaming that on Mike Nolan.

948
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: I think he needs to instill that in his linebackers.

949
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: And Lockhart, Uh you know, Pro Football Reference does not

950
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: have tackles. Uh back going back to nineteen eighty nine,

951
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,439
Speaker 1: they weren't keeping track of tackles like they do now,

952
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: lock Laws, but the Cowboys did. And yeah, Lockhart was

953
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: he said, a club record with two hundred twenty two

954
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: tackles in nineteen eighty nine. And those were the days, right,

955
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: he had to make them. Yeah, he was the only

956
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: wasn't making them. Those were the days one one hundred

957
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: fifty four solo tackles. Guys come in one hundred fifty

958
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: record one hunt four and I think I think I

959
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: think Sean Lee's probably second, or at least second. I

960
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: can believe that, so I can definitely believe. So those

961
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: were the days the revolving door. Right, guys would work

962
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: out on Tuesday, practice on whe Day, start on Sunday,

963
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: get cut on Monday, cut on Monday, and they was

964
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: just repeated over and over, and you named the position,

965
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: what took place? And so what did Jimmy Johnson do

966
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: with Eugene Lockhart traded him? He traded him to the

967
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: Patriots exchange an exchange for the first overall draft pick

968
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: of the nineteen ninety one draft, Russell Maryland. He was

969
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: traded along with Ron Francis, linebacker David Howard, a nineteen

970
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: ninety one first round pick number eleven overall, Pat Harlowe,

971
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: who was involved in the Herschel Walker trade, and a

972
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: ninety one second round pick, which was Jerome Henderson. But

973
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: they had so many picks that it was easy to

974
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: do that because they had already, uh, they had already

975
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: Chelford Minnesota, and they knew they couldn't afford Yeah, David

976
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: Howard was, Yeah, I'm glad you're brought up Eugene Lockhart

977
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: mean Gene the hitting machine. Hitting machine. I think he

978
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: gave himself that Murray did. I'm sure he did. Yes,

979
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: here's one of my too. All right, Mickey, you got

980
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: a closing thought. Um, I'll be interested to see once

981
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: they do their evaluations, uh, not only of the team,

982
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: but when they do them on the coaching staff also, Uh,

983
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: to see what comes out, because I think the thing

984
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: you have to remember a boy putting a staff together,

985
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: you don't get caught. Carte blaunched treatment right to just

986
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: pick who you want, they got to be available. So

987
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: with six coaches now having lost their jobs, Anthony Lynn,

988
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: Doug Moroney, Gas, Dan Quinn, Bill O'Brien and Matt Um

989
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: what was the last one? I wrote, Patricia, there's gonna

990
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: be there's gonna be a lot of there's gonna be

991
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: a lot of these staffs. There're gonna be a lot

992
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: of staffs out there, you know, assistant coaches looking for jobs.

993
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: So be interesting to see when you have that big

994
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: of a pool, if you go, all right, let me see,

995
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: is this better than they look at those coaching staffs

996
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,919
Speaker 1: and connect the dots, right, See if look at those

997
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: coaching staffs and see if there's connections to McCarthy and

998
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: that's what that's what he did, and that's how he

999
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: kind of put this staff together. There was all connections.

1000
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: Maybe he's got better connections out there, So be interesting

1001
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: to see going forward. Yea, all right, that does it

1002
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: for this edition of Mick Shots. And we are back

1003
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: throughout the offseason every Tuesday at eleven thirty for Mix Shots.

1004
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: No telling what all will happen by the time we

1005
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: reconvene next Tuesday here on mix Shots. Make it a

1006
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: great week and Everson close us out Gold Cowboys. You

1007
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: like that one. That was a good one.