1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome in his verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: with you. Senator Kamala Harris has got quite a history 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: when it comes to wanting to limit free speech, and 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: it seems to all be boiling up at this moment, 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: just days before this big presidential debate. 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz are the most anti free 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: speech presidential and vice presidential candidate in American history. Kamala 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: has a long, long history of calling for censorship, calling 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: for silencing anyone who disagrees with her, of wanting to 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: use government power to silence her critics. If Kamala Harris 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: becomes president, I predict now she will try to muzzle X. 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: She will try to ban X. She wants to follow 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 2: Brazil's path and ban X. She wants to use government 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: power to go after big tech and force them to 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: be her censors. 16 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: We're gonna break that down. 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: We're gonna lay out her record record is stunning and 18 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: it is consistent over the years. A profound threat to 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: the government silencing you. 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: Number two. 21 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris on the border wall, over and over and 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: over and over again, has been opposed to the border 23 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: while she's denounced the border wall. Now she's running millions 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 2: of dollars of TV ads featuring hold for it, the 25 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: border wall, utterly and completely hypocritical, and astonishingly CNN has 26 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: called her out for it. All of that in today's pod. 27 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, telegraphing that move in court. 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And 60 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: that is what you said a moment ago. Not only 61 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: is Kamala Harris and her VP running mate Walls extremists, 62 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: but they are at the top of the list of 63 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: those wanting to suppress the rights of free speech of 64 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: every American, including Donald Trump. 65 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: Look, Kamala Harris displays more antipathy to free speech in 66 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: the First Amendment than any presidential candidate in two hundred 67 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: and twenty four years. The last time we had a 68 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: presidential CANi with this antipathy was John Adams, our second president, 69 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: who had enforced the Alien and Sedition Acts and used 70 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: them to persecute his political opponents. It's been two centuries 71 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: since that has happened since then, and Kamala Harris displays 72 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: an unprecedented willingness to use government power to silence you. 73 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: And I want to go back. I want you to 74 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: listen to an interview that Kamala Harris did with Jake 75 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: Tapper on CNN in twenty nineteen and listen to this 76 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: back and forth between Tapper and Kamala Harris. 77 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 5: But I guess the question about you. I know you 78 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 5: wrote to Twitter and the CEO, Jack Dorsey, and asked 79 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 5: him to take away the president's yeah Twitter handle his account. 80 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 5: How is that not a violation of free speech? I mean, 81 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 5: the president has the same rights that you. 82 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 4: Have that I have, And how. 83 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 5: Would that not just be a slippery sloper? They have 84 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 5: to ban you know half of the people on Twitter. 85 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 6: I've heard that argument. But here's the thing, Jake. First 86 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 6: of all, a corporation, which is what Twitter is, it 87 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 6: does not have the has obligations. And in this case, 88 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 6: Twitter has terms of use policy, and there are terms 89 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 6: of use dictate who receives the privilege of speaking on 90 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 6: that platform and who does not. And Donald Trump has 91 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 6: clearly violated the terms of use, and there should be 92 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 6: a consequence for that, not to mention the fact that 93 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 6: he has used his platform being the president of the 94 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 6: United States, in a way that has been about inciting 95 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 6: fear and potentially inciting harm against a witness to what 96 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 6: might be a crime against our country and our democracy. 97 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 6: And for that reason, I do believe that he is 98 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 6: that it's clear that he has violated the terms of use, 99 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 6: and I'm asking that Twitter does what it has done 100 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 6: in previous occasions, which is to revoke someone's privilege because 101 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 6: they've not lived up to the advantages of the privilege. 102 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: Freedom of speech is a privilege, she says, is granted 103 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: to you by us, the dictators, And she was advocating 104 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: for the president of the United States of America to 105 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: be silenced by big tech and demanding it. 106 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 2: She was, and mind you, this is twenty nineteen, so 107 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: this is before January sixth. It had nothing to do 108 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: with that. He was the sitting president that she was 109 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: calling on to be silenced. And I'll tell you what 110 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: I want to do something. Play that clip again and 111 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 2: I want to just start it. I'm going to tell 112 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: you to stop it a couple of times midway through, 113 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: but play it one more time. 114 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 5: I guess the question about you. I know you wrote 115 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 5: to Twitter and the CEO, Jack Dorsey and asked him 116 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 5: to take away the president's yeah Twitter handle his account. 117 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 5: How is that not a violation of free speech? I mean, 118 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 5: the president has the same rights that you have that 119 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 5: I have, And how would that not just be a 120 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 5: slippery sloper They have to ban, you know, half of 121 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 5: the people on Twitter. 122 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: Stop. 123 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: Okay, let me start by saying, that is an excellent 124 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: question from Jake Tapper. And I don't often praise CNN, 125 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: but that was CNN. That was Jake Tapper being a 126 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: real journalist. His question is exactly right. She is saying 127 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: silence the president of the United States. He says, well, 128 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: how's that not a violation of free speech? He has 129 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: the same rights you do. 130 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: I do. 131 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: And isn't the consequence of what you're saying that Twitter 132 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: would have to ban half the country anyone who disagrees 133 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: with you, Kamala Harris, if you're not a leftist, if 134 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: you dare say something conservative, if you say something like 135 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: we need to see the border, Twitter has to ban you. 136 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: How is that not a violation of free speech? That's 137 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,679 Speaker 2: a great question. Now, notice she doesn't answer it. Instead 138 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: play what she says. And I'm going to stop you 139 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: again pretty soon, just to play what she says. 140 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 6: I've heard that argument. But here's the thing, Jake. First 141 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 6: of all, a corporation, which is what Twitter is. 142 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: So this is one of the classic arguments of leftists, 143 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: which is corporations don't have free speech rights. That's what 144 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: she's referring to. Now, that is, as a matter of 145 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: constitutional law, objectively false. 146 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: That is wrong. And let me tell you why it 147 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 3: is wrong. 148 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: The New York Times is a corporation, Ben Do you 149 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: think The New York Times has free speech rights? I 150 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: think they absolutely do. CNN is a corporation. Do you 151 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: think CNN has free speech rights? 152 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 4: Yes. 153 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: Simon and Schuster, which publishes books, they're a corporation. You 154 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: think they have free speech rights. 155 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: If they didn't, they would be in a lot of 156 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: trouble a lot of days the year. 157 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: Paramount Pictures, which makes movies, they're a corporation. You think 158 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: they have free speech rights? Planned Parenthood is a corporation? 159 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: You think Planned Parenthood has free speech rights? 160 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 4: As much as I don't like it, Yes. 161 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 3: The NRA is a corporation. Does the NRA have free 162 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: speech rights? 163 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 4: Absolutely? 164 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: The NAACP is a corporation. Does the NAACP have free 165 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: speech rights? 166 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 4: Yes, And they would argue all day and all night 167 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 4: to that. 168 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: And by the way, the Supreme Court has agreed with 169 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: your answers on every one of those, over and over 170 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 2: and over and over again. So understand her standard left 171 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: is well, it's a corporation, so it doesn't matter. That 172 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: is gibberish, It is nonsense. What is a corporation? A 173 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: corporation is a legal structure for human beings to organize 174 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: together in a collective endeavor, and in politics, corporations frequently 175 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 2: engage in speech and political speech. It is a method 176 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: through which people speak. And so she starts with the idea, okay, corporations. 177 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 3: We can do it. Now, keep playing what else she says, 178 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 3: does not. 179 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 6: Have the has obligations and in this case, Twitter has 180 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 6: terms of use policy. 181 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: Okay, to notice what she said, Twitter, Twitter is a corporation, 182 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: and a corporation has obligations. Now that those are the 183 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: words of a collectivist. Those are the words of a totalitarian. 184 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: If you do business in my government, you have obligations, 185 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: you have obligations. She's going to tell you what those 186 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: obligations are, and they are not to be a spoiler, 187 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: but to silence anyone who dares disagree with me. The 188 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 2: all powerful oz keep playing. 189 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 6: Views, dictate who receives the privilege of speaking on that 190 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 6: platform and who does not stop the privilege. 191 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 3: She's saying. 192 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: By the way, and to be clear, it's not just 193 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: Donald Trump that has the privilege of speaking. 194 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 3: On that platform. 195 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: Twitter has become the public square X today has become 196 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: the public square. It is the most important forum on 197 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 2: planet Earth for free speech. And in Kamala's leftist totalitarian view, 198 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: and that's what this is. This is government unchecked power. 199 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: It is merely a privilege, and a privilege that she 200 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: as the dictator, can revoke if you dare dissc agree 201 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: with her. It is not a privilege. The First Amendment 202 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: says Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech. 203 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: It's not a privilege, it is a right protected in 204 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: the Bill of Rights. 205 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 3: Keep playing. 206 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 6: He violated the terms of use, and there should be 207 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 6: a consequence for that, not to mention the fact that 208 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 6: he has used his platform being the President of the 209 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 6: United States in a way that has been about inciting 210 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 6: fear and potentially inciting harm against. 211 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 2: So number one, she says there should be a consequence. Notice, 212 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: she is threatening, we will punish you. If you do 213 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: not obey, we will punish you. And to be clear, 214 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: she's not talking about silencing an ordinary citizen. She's talking 215 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: about silencing. This is twenty nineteen, the sitting president of 216 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: the United States. She wants him banned from speaking. Why 217 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: because she says he has incited fear. So, in other words, 218 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: when he talks about the threats of murderers coming across 219 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: our southern border, when he talks about the threats of 220 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: terrorists coming across our southern border, well, in her world, 221 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: that's inciting fear. That's a message she does not want 222 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 2: people to hear. Why because she wants as many illegal immigrants, 223 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: including murderers and terrorists coming across our southern border, and 224 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 2: if you incite fear, well, that's really inconvenient for her 225 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: political agenda. 226 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 6: Keep going yes to what might be a crime against 227 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 6: our country and our democracy. And for that reason, I 228 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 6: do believe that he is that it's clear that he 229 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 6: has violated the terms of use, and I'm asking that 230 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 6: Twitter does what it has done in previous occasions, which 231 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 6: is to revoke someone's privilege because they've not lived up 232 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,479 Speaker 6: to the advantages of the privilege. 233 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 4: Revoke someone's privileges. That is radical, yep. 234 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: And by the way, at the time Jack Dorsey was 235 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 2: the CEO. Jack Dorsey is someone who does not respect 236 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: free speech, who would use Twitter repeatedly to censor aggressively. 237 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: When Elon Musk bought Twitter, he released the Twitter files, 238 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: so we now know just how eager Jack Dorsey was 239 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: to censor people who dared disagree with the leftist orthodoxy. 240 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 2: But even Jack Dorsey, this was too much for him. 241 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: He did not ban Donald Trump in twenty nineteen when 242 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris asked him to from Twitter. He didn't do 243 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 2: it then, but she was saying, she's demanding that they 244 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 2: silenced the existing the sitting president because she doesn't like 245 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: what he's saying. 246 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 3: Now, I want to play another interview. 247 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 2: Actually that Jake Tapper did with Kamala Harris the same month, 248 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: October of twenty nineteen, and on the same topic. So 249 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: this is a different night but the same rough time period. 250 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 2: Play the second interview. 251 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 6: He has lost his privileges and it should be taken down. 252 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 6: And the bottom line is that you can't say that 253 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 6: you have one rule for Facebook and you have a 254 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 6: different rule for Twitter. The same rule has to apply, 255 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 6: which is that there has to be a responsibility that 256 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 6: is placed on these social media sites to understand their power. 257 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 6: They are directly speaking to millions and millions of people 258 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 6: without any level of oversight or regulation, and that has 259 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 6: to stop. 260 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 2: I want to take the end of her statement there. 261 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 2: They are directly speaking to millions of people without any 262 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: level of oversight or regulation, and that has to stop. 263 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: That may be the single most anti free speech statement 264 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: I have ever heard a political candidate give. She is 265 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 2: saying that the government must provide oversight and regulation of 266 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: any platform that, in her words, speaks to millions of people. 267 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: Because if you are effective in free speech, if you 268 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: reach a lot of people. The government is going to 269 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: decide whether you get this privilege or not if you 270 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: care a free speech. That ought to scare the hell 271 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: out of you. And let me be clear, Listen, the 272 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: difference between me and Kamala Harris could not be more stark. 273 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: She wants to silence her opponents. She wants to silence 274 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: Donald Trump, she wants to silence Elon Musk, she wants 275 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: to ban X all of it. I believe if she's 276 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: president she will try to do that. I'm sure she 277 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: wants to silence you and me, Ben, Let's be clear 278 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: about the difference. Yeah, I would silence you, and I 279 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: do not want you and I do not want to 280 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: silence her. I would vigorously oppose any effort to censor 281 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: or silence her. I don't want to silence Bernie Sanders. 282 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: I don't want to silence AOC. I think their policies 283 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: are blithering idiocy. So I want people to hear what 284 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 2: they're saying. Look, in this podcast, we are playing her words. 285 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 2: We're not silencing them. We're doing the opposite, which is Look. 286 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: John Stuart Mill said, the best cure for bad speech 287 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: is more speech. If we were to talitarians. This is 288 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: not there's not a both sides does this. We're not 289 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: saying silence the other side, use power. We're saying no, no, no. 290 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: She has a right to prattle on to her heart's content, 291 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: and if you don't like what she's saying, that the 292 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: remedy for that is to lay out the truth, the facts, 293 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: the argument, and prove why she's wrong. 294 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: It is also scary just how easy it rolls off 295 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: their tongue and how quickly they're willing to just go 296 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: automatically to well, you should just silence someone. And this 297 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: is I think part of what the Democratic Party has become. 298 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: They do believe that every American that disagrees with them 299 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: there should be a consequence for their views, There should 300 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: be a consequence for their statements, for their words. We 301 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: also heard, and I'll never forget this because I've said 302 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: this before, Senator, Believe them when they say what they say, 303 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: Believe them when they tell you what their plan is. 304 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: Remember when they said that we need re education camps 305 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: for Trump supporters and Trump voters. And it wasn't just 306 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: one person that, it was like the entire Democratic Party 307 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: singing in verse on a Sunday morning, in choir together. 308 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 1: It was like weeks of we need to re educate 309 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: these people. 310 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: Well, and they have a new mantra that if you 311 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: disagree with leftist orthodoxy, you are a quote enemy of democracy. 312 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 2: And that's their new justification. In defensive democracy, they're going 313 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: to silence half the country in defensive democracy, they're going 314 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: to muzzle free speech. In defensive democracy, they're going to 315 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: ensure that you can only say what they want you 316 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: to say. Look, that reminds me of a Nigo Montoya 317 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: and the Prince's Pride. You'll keep on using that word. 318 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: I do not think it means what you think it means. 319 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: That is not, in fact, what democracy means. Democracy does 320 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,239 Speaker 2: not mean the government has the power to silence you 321 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 2: if you dare disagree with your government overlords. In fact, 322 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 2: that would be precisely the opposite of democracy. But with 323 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 2: or Will Orwellian irony, they use the word democracy to 324 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: justify their silencing their opponents. I want you to play now, 325 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris when she went to speak at the NAACP 326 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 2: again and this is in twenty nineteen or the presidential campaign, 327 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: listen to what she promised to do if she became president. 328 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 7: And will put the Department of Justice of the United 329 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 7: States back in the business of justice. We will double 330 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 7: the Civil Rights Division and direct law enforcement to counter 331 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 7: this extremism. We will hold social media platforms accountable for 332 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 7: the hate infiltrating their platforms because they have a responsibility 333 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 7: to help fight against this threat to our democracy. And 334 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 7: if you profit off of hate, if you act as 335 00:18:54,400 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 7: a megaphone for misinformation or cyber warfare, if you don't 336 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 7: police your platforms, we are going to hold you accountable 337 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 7: as a community. 338 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 2: Wows you accountable? And who is it that's going to 339 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: hold you accountable? The United States Department of Justice. That 340 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: is a threat to X, to Facebook, to every social 341 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 2: media site, to every Internet site, to every media site. 342 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 2: If you dare what she says is if you act 343 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: as a platform for misinformation and understand what she means 344 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: by misinformation is anything she disagrees with. 345 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: If it is not fifty of America, you must silence yes, 346 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: and the Department of Justice is going to do it. 347 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 2: We will hold you accountable. She's threatening government power to 348 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 2: force censorship, and if big tech doesn't go along with it, 349 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: the Department of Justice will come after it. You know, 350 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 2: Jonathan Turley tek. 351 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 4: You this real quick? 352 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, does that mean when you say come after? I 353 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: think people need to understand what that means. We hear that, 354 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: we think, Okay, it's gonna be like a parking ticket. 355 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: I don't think that's what she means, but there's a 356 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: I be like, Wow, that just means you're gonna get 357 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: like a little fine. I think what she means is 358 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: what they've done so far with people they don't like. 359 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: They want to put you in jail. They would be 360 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: locking up people that work at these companies as the 361 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: threat and massive finds that could bankrupt companies. 362 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 2: Well, to understand that they want to put you in jail. 363 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 2: Look at what they're doing on January sixth, the prosecution 364 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 2: from January sixth, the Department of Justice, Jack Smith is 365 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: trying to prosecute Donald Trump. And you know what they're 366 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 2: using as a basis for the prosecution tweets he sent. 367 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: He sent tweets and they're trying to put him in 368 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: jail for it. By the way, we covered in this 369 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: podcast couple of weeks ago in the United Kingdom, they 370 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 2: sentenced a mand to twenty months in jail for a 371 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: Facebook post twenty most couple weeks ago. That is happening 372 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 2: right now. 373 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: And so. 374 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 2: Listen, we've seen under Joe Biden, the Department of just weaponized. 375 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 2: The difference between Biden and Kamala. Biden is a puppet. 376 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 2: He is unaware of what's going on around himself, and 377 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: so he is manipulated by the hard left, the radicals 378 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 2: in his party. Kamala is a true believer. 379 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 3: She believes in this. 380 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 2: She is eager to use government power. And I was 381 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 2: mentioning a second ago Jonathan Turtley. He was a terrific 382 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: law professor at GW. He is a friend, and he's 383 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: a really good thinker. He wrote an op ed on 384 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 2: September fourth that is entitled quote that has to Stop. 385 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 2: Harris denounces unfettered free speech in twenty nineteen CNN interview 386 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: and it's the one we played just a minute ago. 387 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 2: But I want to read a couple of paragraphs from 388 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: his op ed because it's really really strong. Here's how 389 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: he opens quote. I previously wrote how a Harris Waltz 390 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: administration would be a nightmare for free speech. Both candidates 391 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 2: that would be Harrison Waltz have shown a pronounced and 392 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: have shown pronounced anti free speech values. Now ex owner 393 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: Elon Musk and former Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy 394 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 2: Junior have posted a Harris interview to show the depths 395 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,239 Speaker 2: of the hostility of Harris to unfettered free speech. I 396 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: have long argued that Trump and the third party candidates 397 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: should make free speech a central issue in this campaign. 398 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 2: That has not happened. Kennedy was the only candidate who 399 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 2: was substantially and regularly talking about free speech in this election. 400 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 2: Yet Musk and Kennedy are still trying to raise the 401 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 2: chilling potential of a potential of a Harris Waltz administration. 402 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 2: And then I want to focus on the end of 403 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 2: Turley's article because it's really good. He's talking about the 404 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: end of it, he says quote for free speech advocates. 405 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 2: The twenty twenty four election is looking strikingly similar to 406 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: the election of eighteen hundred. One of the greatest villains 407 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 2: in our history discussed in my book was President John Adams, 408 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 2: who used the Alien and Sedition Acts to arrest his 409 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: political opponents, including journalists, members of Congress, and others. Many 410 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: of those prosecuted by the Adams administration were Jeffersonians. In 411 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: the election of eighteen hundred, Thomas Jefferson ran on the 412 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 2: issue and defeated Adams. It was the only presidential election 413 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 2: in our history where free speech was a central issue 414 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 2: for voters. It should be again. While democracy is really 415 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 2: not on the ballot at this election, free speech is Turley. 416 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 2: Professor Turley is exactly right. That is powerful, it is profound, 417 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: It is true. And I look, I've spent my entire 418 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 2: adult life fighting to defend the Constitution and the Bill 419 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: of Rights, and free speech in particular. I am passionate 420 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 2: about free speech. 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CNN 466 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,239 Speaker 1: and I've got two theories I want your take on 467 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: this came out and did a three and a half 468 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: minute segment attacking Kamala Harrison Primetime, attacking her for using 469 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: Trump's wall in her new border ads. 470 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 4: They actually went. 471 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: Back years, all the way back to twenty seventeen, and 472 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: they were proud of themselves, patting themselves on their back 473 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: for finding more than fifty instances of Harris slamming Trump's 474 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: border wall, and they put this story together. Now I 475 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: want to play it, but there's two things here that 476 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: I think could be a possibility. A CNN has become 477 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: so irrelevant with no one watching, and the ratings back 478 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: up that point that they're desperate to get their ratings back. 479 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: Having Trump in office delivers that to them. The highest 480 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: ratings that CNN's had in years was when Donald Trump 481 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: was in office and they were attacking him twenty four 482 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: to seven, and that brought the crazies end to watch them. 483 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: That's option number one. Option number two is are they 484 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 1: doing this center because they're realizing that Harris and this 485 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: big bump she was supposed to have for the convention 486 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: didn't actually happen. Are they hedging their bets they think 487 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: she might lose and so they want to look like 488 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: they're actual journalists or could both of those be true 489 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: at the same time. 490 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: Well, let's play this first, because it really is a 491 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 2: stunning piece, and it simply takes the fact that she's 492 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 2: spending millions of dollars advertising and featuring the border wall 493 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: as something she now supports, and it contrasts that with 494 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 2: her record for years and years and years viciously, passionately, 495 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: emphatically opposing the border wall, and I'll tell you the 496 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: contrast is striking. Give a listen, and remember this is CNN. 497 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 8: Tonight, K File investigates in a new report you'll see 498 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 8: first out Front. The K file team scoured Kamala Harris's 499 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 8: tweets and statements going all the way back to twenty seventeen, 500 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 8: and what they found was more than fifty instances of 501 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 8: Harris slamming Trump's border wall. But now new Harris campaign 502 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 8: ads actually showcase that very wall. 503 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 3: As a border state prosecutor, she took on drug cartels 504 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 3: and jail gang members for smuggling weapons and drugs across And. 505 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 8: On top of critical tweets, Harris also wrote in her 506 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 8: twenty nineteen book quote, there was a bigger reason to 507 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 8: oppose the border wall. 508 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 3: A useless wall on. 509 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 8: The southern border would be nothing more than a symbol, 510 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 8: a monument standing in opposition to not just everything I value, 511 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 8: but to the fundamental values upon which this country was built. 512 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 8: How could I vote to build what would be little 513 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 8: more than a monument designed to send the cold, hard 514 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 8: message keep out well. P files Andrew Kaczinski joins me. Now, so, Andrew, 515 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 8: I mean you and you all have gone through, I 516 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 8: mean scoured an incredible amount of material. Tell me more 517 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 8: about what you found. 518 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right. We found more than fifty of those 519 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 9: those tweets criticizing the border wall before she used that 520 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 9: in her ad, and I want people to take a 521 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 9: look at just a few of what she said here. 522 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 9: She called it wasteful, useless, a waste of taxpayer money, 523 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 9: a vanity wall project, a wasteful border wall, a stupid wall, 524 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 9: a medieval vanity project, and an unnecessary wall. And those 525 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 9: are really I mean, there were more of It was 526 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 9: just like ten or fifty, but there was. There was 527 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 9: really a lot of. This was the common refrain during 528 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 9: the campaign. You read that quote where she said it 529 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 9: was against everything that not only she stood for everything 530 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 9: America stood abord, but and she brought this up a lot. 531 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 9: Take a listen to just one instance of that. In 532 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 9: twenty nineteen. 533 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 6: It's the president's vanity project. 534 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 10: His multi billion dollar vanity project called a wall, is 535 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 10: nothing more than a distraction from the fact that he 536 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 10: actually has it focused on working people in America. He 537 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 10: contrived in National crisis around his big distraction. 538 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 8: All right, so you go through all of that, You've 539 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 8: got all the tweets, and yet all of a sudden, 540 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 8: in the ads there's pictures of the wall. And then 541 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 8: you went through to look at that wall, like, what 542 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 8: is that specific wall that's in her campaign ads now? 543 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 8: And you found something very interesting about this specific portion 544 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 8: of the wall. 545 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 9: And what's I think what's also really remarkable. This is 546 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 9: like I mean, you heard her talking about it. There 547 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 9: the Trump's wall in his campaign during his presidency, there 548 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 9: was really no greater symbol of Trump's presidency than the 549 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 9: wall in the way that Democrats were attacking him over 550 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 9: the wall and his restrictive immigration policies. So we looked 551 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 9: in that ad and if you look at it, that 552 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 9: exact area of wall is in Sasabe or sip Arizona, 553 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 9: and that is a portion of wall that was actually 554 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 9: built by Donald Trump. It was built in an area 555 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 9: where there was not previous wall. It was actually pretty 556 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 9: controversial when they were building it at the time. So 557 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 9: just to see that, and then there are others. 558 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 8: He's using his wall that he built to say look at. 559 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 4: What I did. 560 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 9: And the other images of the wall, we weren't able 561 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 9: to pinpoint. But there's there's telltale signs that that was 562 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 9: a Trump wall because there's an anti climbing plate on 563 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 9: top that became popularized during the Trump years. 564 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 8: It's really incredible reporting and important. All right, Andrew Kosinski 565 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 8: and k File, thank you very much. 566 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: Now there's also another theory center, and that could be 567 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: they were just hold on before the theories before the 568 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 1: third is I do want to take the very end 569 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: the comment. 570 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 2: It's really incredible reporting. So actually, no, it's not. It's 571 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: not incredible reporting to say one nominee for president is 572 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 2: spending millions of dollars running ads claiming to support something 573 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: that she spent her entire entire professional career denouncing over 574 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 2: and over and over and again. Like, that's not incredible reporting. 575 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 2: That's called just actually doing your job. That that is, 576 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 2: in fact, what reporters are supposed to do. And this 577 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 2: is a story that illustrates that her campaign is built 578 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: on deception, it's built online. Understand this goes back to 579 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 2: why is it in the six weeks since Kamala Harris 580 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: became the presumptive Democrat nominee, she's done precisely one media interview, 581 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 2: actually with CNN, the fake interview she did with Dana 582 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: Bash that we broke down. If you didn't listen to 583 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: the podcast analyzing the Dana Bash interview, you ought to 584 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: because it was not an interview, it was a campaign commercial. 585 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 3: That that that that that protected her. 586 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 2: But other than that, she's done no media interviews. She's 587 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 2: done zero press conferences. And it's because her strategy is 588 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 2: to hide from everything she's ever said, everything she's ever done, 589 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 2: every vote she's ever cast, to hide from her record 590 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 2: and instead to claim to claim that she supports things 591 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 2: she does not support. Now listen, her left wing supporters 592 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 2: are not upset that she is running ads picturing the 593 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 2: border wall. Why because they know she's lying. Everyone knows 594 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: she's lying. But CNN called her out and and it 595 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 2: that is, in fact the job of journalism to call 596 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 2: people out when their record is directly contrary to what 597 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: they're saying on the campaign trail. 598 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: You look at the CNN interview that you mentioned, and 599 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: that was my third. My third possibility is it really 600 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: seemed to do some damage to CNN. They were embarrassed 601 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: at how much they were called out for just propaganda 602 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: that night, even from putting live. You and I talked 603 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: about this putting up live on the screen when the 604 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 1: interview was taped. 605 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 2: So let me tell me something, Ben, So, Ben, you 606 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 2: spent a lot of years as a paid CNN employee. 607 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 4: Yes, seven years in hell, so what I call it? 608 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you said they were embarrassed. Do you think they 609 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: actually were embarrassed. I'm not sure they can be embarrassed. 610 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 2: I'm actually curious about your thoughts on this. 611 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: So I actually think they were because they were just ridiculed. 612 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: It was daylight outside, it was primetime at night when 613 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: they aired it. It was obvious that it wasn't live. 614 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: And when you do something that egregious, I think even 615 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: people that are left of center are like, come on, 616 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: like really, Like you think we're dumb enough to believe 617 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: that it's daytime right now while we're watching it at nighttime, 618 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: and we're dumb enough to believe it's live when we've 619 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: already we already know it's been taped and it. 620 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 4: Has been well publicized it was taped. 621 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: But I also think the other part that hurt them 622 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: and embarrass them was the interview was incredibly short compared 623 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,879 Speaker 1: to what normal interviews of this magnitude are. I mean, 624 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: you look at the town hall last night that happened 625 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: with Trump and Hannity. I mean, it's solid hour plus 626 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: on these things, and her interview taped edited in the 627 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: daytime and then you know, claiming it's live at night. 628 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: I think that that is a point where they're like, Okay, 629 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: maybe we have to bring the penulum back here a 630 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: little bit because we look so much like we are 631 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: a mouthpiece for a campaign, and if she loses, that 632 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: puts us in a really bad situation. 633 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 2: Look, that's possible. And you asked a minute ago if 634 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 2: they're trying to cover their bases. You know, I actually, 635 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 2: you know, I'm a believer in Occham's razor that sometimes 636 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 2: the simplest explanation is the best. I actually think in 637 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 2: this instance, the dissonance, the the the contrast between what 638 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is campaigning on and what she has said 639 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 2: for her entire career it is so massive that I 640 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,919 Speaker 2: think they just ended up saying, all right, let's let's 641 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 2: say it. I actually think, even though they're propagandists, it 642 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 2: to see her embracing Trump's border wall is a level 643 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 2: at which, you know, I asked a minute ago if 644 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 2: they could get embarrassed. I think for a brief moment 645 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 2: in time, they actually wanted to be journalists. And and 646 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 2: and and I have a and and By the way, 647 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: let's be clear, this is a remarkable podcast and maybe 648 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 2: the only podcast we've ever done where twice now I 649 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 2: praise CNN. 650 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 3: I praise CNN at the beginning of. 651 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 2: The podcast for Jake Tapper's question of Kamala Harris, that 652 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 2: was a real question. It was a good question, Jake. 653 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 2: It was a question a journalist would and should ask 654 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 2: and listen, this story, this story is a question a 655 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,720 Speaker 2: journalist would and should covered. By the way, has ABC 656 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:17,959 Speaker 2: run the story? No, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, Nope, Like wait, 657 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 2: they say their journalist. I mean CNN doesn't have it exclusive. 658 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 2: Do you think MSNBC knows that she's lying when she 659 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,919 Speaker 2: runs an ad saying look at this border wall. 660 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 4: Yeah. 661 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: Well look, there's also another possibility that you and I 662 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: have been having this discussion. It could be this is 663 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: their way of slapping come on the hand for not 664 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: being radical enough, like no, no, no, we don't go to 665 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: border wall. And if you do it, we're gonna embarrass you. 666 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: You're supposed to, you're supposed to hate the border wall. 667 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: That's who you are. We're going to remind you of 668 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: who you are, and we're gonna make you look bad 669 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,280 Speaker 1: when you when you pander this way on an issue 670 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 1: we disagree with that. That also could be part of 671 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: what the executive producers at CNN we're so mad at. 672 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 673 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 2: Look, maybe you know I years ago one of my 674 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: very first bosses, uh had had a bit of advice 675 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 2: for me that I think was really insightful, and it 676 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 2: was about government, and it was never ascribed to malice. 677 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 2: What can be explained with incompetence in this instance, at 678 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 2: least to me, I'm not reading a whole lot of 679 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 2: Machiavellian uh you know positioning in CNN doing this. I 680 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 2: think it was just there were like, holy crap, this 681 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 2: is BS. I hope that is. I mean, that's actually 682 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 2: a human instinct, and it is an instinct a journalist 683 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 2: is supposed to have. Now, maybe I'm being naive, I mean, Ben, 684 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 2: maybe you're you're more cynical than I am on this, 685 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 2: and maybe I'm not cynical enough, but but one hundred percent, I. 686 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 4: Wait, I would say this way. I wish that I 687 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 4: thought the way you thought on this. 688 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: I just think this is too big of a one 689 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: to eighty from them sucking up to Kamala Harris a 690 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: week ago, like. 691 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 2: It's like what happened, Yes, but to be clear, it 692 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 2: is different. Okay, it is different. 693 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 3: Listen. 694 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 2: One of the reasons that we didn't talk about this, 695 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 2: I think in in our podcast analyzing the Dana Bash 696 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 2: fake interview. But I do think a component is CNN 697 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 2: desperately wanted that interview, Like the Kamala Harris campaign put 698 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,280 Speaker 2: it out there, Hey, we're going to do an interview 699 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 2: with someone, and we want to see who will kiss 700 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 2: our ass the most. If you're just doing it a little, no, 701 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 2: that's not enough. We want both lips full pucker. We 702 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 2: want enthusiasm. And I do think there was a level 703 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 2: of just corporate servility that we want this interview and 704 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 2: we will abase ourselves. We will we will abandon any 705 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 2: pretense of journalistic ethics. We'll do any thing we can 706 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 2: to get this interview. And so I think it's easier 707 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 2: in a story where you don't have Kamala Harris, and 708 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 2: in particularly the context where they won't give anyone an 709 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 2: interview with Kamala Harris. 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Senator, we are just days of from 743 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: the first president of debate between the new candidate that 744 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: no one voted for in Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. 745 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: I got to ask you, is debate prep is happening? 746 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: Maybe as we speak right now, what do you think 747 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: the biggest vulnerability is now for Harris that we're in 748 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 1: this thing post convention? Is it the flip flop on 749 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: the border, is it freedom of speech? Is it national 750 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,840 Speaker 1: security issues? What do you think now? The real issues 751 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,839 Speaker 1: are two months out from election day. 752 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 3: Look, it's her record. 753 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 2: Why is it that she's hiding in Joe Biden's basement 754 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,800 Speaker 2: because she's terrified of her record. Her record's a failure. 755 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 2: The Biden Harris record of the last four years is terrible. 756 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 2: Whether it's inflation in the economy, whether it's crime, whether 757 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 2: it's the disaster at the Southern border, whether it is 758 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 2: the absolute wreck of foreign policy that has led to 759 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 2: the war in Ukraine, the war in Israel, the anti 760 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,800 Speaker 2: Semitic protests on college campuses, the radicalization of the Democrat Party. 761 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 2: Her record is a disaster. That's why she's desperately trying 762 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 2: to run against run away from it. That's why she's 763 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 2: hiding from the media because she doesn't want to talk 764 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 2: about a record. We're going on the next podcast, We're 765 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 2: going to talk about what to expect in the debate, 766 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,360 Speaker 2: and after the debate, we'll do a podcast analyzing exactly 767 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 2: what we heard. Listen, this debate matters. This debate matters 768 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 2: a lot. Both candidates have risk here, and from her perspective, 769 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 2: she wants to run away from her record as much 770 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:47,280 Speaker 2: as possible. My hope is that Donald Trump calmly prosecutes 771 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 2: the case against her, that her record has been a 772 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 2: mess that all the things she's promising to do. She 773 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 2: is in office right now. She is part of the 774 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,840 Speaker 2: current administration, and I hope that Trump, more than anything, 775 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,280 Speaker 2: keeps the focus not on him but on the American people, 776 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 2: on the people who have been hurt by the policy 777 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 2: failures of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. If Trump does that, 778 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,280 Speaker 2: he'll win the debate. Kamala, on the other hand, wants 779 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,800 Speaker 2: to do everything she can to provoke, to poke Trump 780 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 2: into coming across as a jerk. That's what she wants. 781 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 2: I don't know that that will happen. I hope it 782 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 2: does not happen. But her strategy, she is right now 783 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 2: prepping saying how can I poke the hornet's nest and 784 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,760 Speaker 2: get him to hurt himself. She's not looking to hurt him, 785 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 2: She's looking to get him to hurt himself. If he 786 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 2: can resist that, he'll have a very good debate. 787 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 5: Night. 788 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 4: Don't forget. 789 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,759 Speaker 1: We do the show three days a week just for 790 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,839 Speaker 1: you guys, and thank you for listening. Also, thank you 791 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 1: for supporting this show by sharing this podcast wherever you 792 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: are on social media. We love doing this show giving 793 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 1: you guys the info and it's up to you guys 794 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: to get it out to the masses. Without you, we 795 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't be doing it. So again, thank you. Make sure 796 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 1: you share this at that subscribe or auto download button. 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