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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Dowdy and I'm depleted druk reboarding, and I

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Speaker 1: really like shipwrecks. I don't know if I mentioned this

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Speaker 1: to you before. I have not. I know I mentioned

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Speaker 1: it's a weird thing to say that you really like.

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Speaker 1: But they're just so interesting. I mean, there's so much

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Speaker 1: to discover. They are fascinating. I mean window into the past,

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Speaker 1: and things are preserved that might not be otherwise, things

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Speaker 1: that definitely would not have made it if they had

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Speaker 1: been above the surface this whole time. So people like

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Speaker 1: me who really like shipwrecks got pretty excited back in

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Speaker 1: the summer of two thousand nine when there was all

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Speaker 1: this news about archaeologists finding the untouched remains of five

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Speaker 1: Roman ships, and then there was a PBS show Secrets

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Speaker 1: of the Dead recently profiling this expedition, So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: pretty interesting stuff. Five untouched remain definitely back in two

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Speaker 1: thousand nine, the lead archaeologist on this expedition, Timmy Gambon.

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Speaker 1: He described the area as a graveyard of ships, which

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Speaker 1: sounds very menacing, spooky. Yeah. Yeah, so it makes us

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Speaker 1: wonder what is in these ships and where were they going,

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Speaker 1: why did they all wreck so close together, and why

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Speaker 1: did they think in the first place. These are some

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Speaker 1: of the questions, some of the many questions we will

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Speaker 1: be answering in today's podcast. Yep, But this whole thing

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Speaker 1: started in two thousand eight, right, Yeah, the news broken

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Speaker 1: two thousand nine, but the whole research project really started

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Speaker 1: of marine archaeologists and ocean scientists that make up the

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Speaker 1: Aurora Trust, they began a survey of the area around

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Speaker 1: vent To Tene and the Tyrannean Sea off of Naples. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then to TenneT is a pretty interesting island itself.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely worth discussing its history a little

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Speaker 1: bit before we get into the shipwrecks. But it's this

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Speaker 1: volcanic tiny island and today it's a tourist spot. I

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Speaker 1: sent to Bilina a picture. It looked pretty picture fu Um.

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Speaker 1: It only has five permanent residents. But back in ancient

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Speaker 1: Roman times it was this grand Emperor's retreat and it

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Speaker 1: was called Pantataria, and it also conveniently was a pretty

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Speaker 1: nice place to exile nobles and imperial family members. But

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about that on a later podcast,

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Speaker 1: so listen up. Then, So Augustus he transformed to this island.

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Speaker 1: He built a villa in a complex system of cisterns

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Speaker 1: there to collect rainwater since there were no natural springs

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Speaker 1: to get water from. And more importantly, he had this

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Speaker 1: that's pretty amazing to me. Um, But the island didn't

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Speaker 1: remain this bustling, uh stop on trade routes for that long.

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Speaker 1: The emperors eventually abandoned it and hermits were the only

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Speaker 1: people who remained. And eventually it became a pirate's den

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Speaker 1: because it was convenient enough to the mainland that you

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Speaker 1: And by the eighteenth century, the Bourbon kings decided that

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Speaker 1: redeveloping then to Tenne, and partly that was to support

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Speaker 1: this prison that they had built on an even tinier

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Speaker 1: And interesting, this, this whole island's history is just so weird.

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Speaker 1: But this Tinier island is where Mussolini kept a lot

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Speaker 1: So it could be anything from an ancient shipwreck or

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Speaker 1: but there's more work to be done, yea. The sonar

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Speaker 1: And they're these ancient Roman shipping containers. And usually they're

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