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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in our number three Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: buck Sexton Show Tuesday addition, New Hampshire Primary edition. New

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Speaker 1: Hampshire heites listening to this program right now can go

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Speaker 1: out and vote in their primary. We encourage as many

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Speaker 1: of you as possible to do so, let your voices

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Speaker 1: be heard. Only two remaining contenders in the Republican side

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Speaker 1: of that race, Donald Trump and Nikki Haley. On the

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Speaker 1: Democrat side, I think Marion Williamson, Dean Phillips and Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden is a right end candidate because Joe Biden decided

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Speaker 1: he didn't want New Hampshire to have primacy in the

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Speaker 1: Democrat Party anymore because overwhelmingly voters did not like him

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Speaker 1: in New Hampshire. But as a result, we are starting

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Speaker 1: to granted staters. Did I say New Hampshire Heights, I

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Speaker 1: apologize I can. Eventually we'll get that right granted state

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Speaker 1: with an opportunity to go out and make their voices heard. Now,

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Speaker 1: we started off the show talking about this, but I

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Speaker 1: do think it's the question of the day, and it

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Speaker 1: is this, what does Nicki Haley have to do to

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Speaker 1: maintain her candidacy in any way, going forward, expectations are

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Speaker 1: Trump is up around twenty points in the most recent poll.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Buck, I wanted to hit you

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Speaker 1: with this because as we went to break, we talked

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Speaker 1: about the right now odds market for who will be

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Speaker 1: elected President. Trump is the favorite right now in the

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Speaker 1: presidential odds markets. Joe Biden is in second place. Michelle

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Speaker 1: Obama is in fact the third most likely candidate according

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Speaker 1: to the odds market, to be the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: president of the United States. Nicki Haley is fourth, Gavin

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Speaker 1: Newsom is fifth, RFK Junior six, Kamala Harris seven, Dean

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Speaker 1: Phillips eight, Ron DeSantis nine. Those are the top nine

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Speaker 1: contenders according to the odds market right now, with both

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Speaker 1: the Trump and Biden's substantial favorites, but Michelle Obama a

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Speaker 1: clear and basically unchallenged third in the presidential odds markets

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Speaker 1: as we speak right now. So there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that are buying into my theory that Biden

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Speaker 1: is going to be forced out and Michelle Obama will

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Speaker 1: become the Democrat nominee in twenty twenty four. We'll have

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Speaker 1: months to talk about that, because the Democrat convention is

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Speaker 1: not until August. The Republican convention is in July. But

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Speaker 1: to me, Nicki Haley has to make a real decision

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Speaker 1: buck does she want to go as hard as she

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Speaker 1: possibly can? In fact, there's an editorial in the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal this morning making this exact argument. And the

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Speaker 1: question is, does Nicky Haley really want to be president

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, in which case she's gonna go

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Speaker 1: as hard as she possibly can after Donald Trump from

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Speaker 1: here on out, or she's gonna basically say, Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: running for twenty twenty eight and I'm gonna drop down.

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Speaker 1: And it's an interesting column let me give credit here,

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Speaker 1: written by Henry Olsen in the Wall Street Journal this morning.

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Speaker 1: He's a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center,

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Speaker 1: and he said, if Brian Kemp can beat Trump, maybe

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Speaker 1: Nicky Haley can. Difference obviously very substantial here is that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump didn't actually run against Brian Kemp. Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: endorsed a Georgia gobernatorial candidate against Trump. And then everybody

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Speaker 1: remember Brian Kemp won by fifty points in that battle

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Speaker 1: of the Republican primary, and actually, I think it's solidified

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Speaker 1: Brian Kemp to go on and beat Stacy Abrams by

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Speaker 1: seven and a.

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Speaker 2: Half or eight points.

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Speaker 1: Nicky Haley's actually running against Trump, but she's in a

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Speaker 1: one v one battle. If she really wants to be president,

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Speaker 1: she has to get as nasty as she possibly can

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Speaker 1: against Trump. I don't think she's willing to do it, Buck.

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Speaker 1: I think her probability of winning is very low. But

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Speaker 1: I think it would require that she go after Trump

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Speaker 1: in a way where there could be a lasting impact

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Speaker 1: for her political future, and I don't think she is

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Speaker 1: and try to preserve her ability to run in twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she is not going to make it to South

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Speaker 2: Carolina because that would be humiliating to lose in her

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Speaker 2: home state. The numbers are all Remember when we say,

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Speaker 2: you know, there's polls and then there's polls. When someone

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Speaker 2: I mean it's it's fifty points, it's not even remotely close.

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Speaker 2: So uh, there's there's really not I think anything that

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think Nikki Haley does her best in

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Speaker 2: be out within two weeks. She'll she'll suspend her campaign.

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Speaker 2: She did work for Trump as US Ambassador to the

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Speaker 2: United Nations. You know, it's not really like it's not

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Speaker 2: a job that I think is particularly high up on

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Speaker 2: the on the important scale. To be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: it's a pretty uh it's it's a lot of cocktail

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Speaker 1: Ceremonial more than it's like executive based. Right, Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: you're you're kind of just like on the uh, on

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Speaker 1: you're not really doing anything of any substance.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, she did work for Trump though, and there's that,

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Speaker 2: and I think that she'll want to work with him

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Speaker 2: while he's assuming he wins while he's president, and then

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Speaker 2: she'll run again at some point in the future. But

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Speaker 2: I think that the fundamental problem that Nicki Haley has

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Speaker 2: more than anything else is that she's trying to run

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Speaker 2: as a GOP candidate from the Bush era in a

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Speaker 2: lot of ways. I mean a lot of her positions,

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Speaker 2: that that's too hard of a turn right now for

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Speaker 2: the Republican Party to go away from the more populist

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Speaker 2: America first positioning to go toward. Do you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean to go toward? I mean Nicki Haley could

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Speaker 2: very easily have been Bush's Secretary of State in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and two or something. I mean, that's the way

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Speaker 2: she sounds when she speaks about these issues. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you're if you're in agreement with me on

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Speaker 2: this Nicki Haley.

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Speaker 1: I was reading the front page New York Times yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and I think I mentioned this a bit in yesterday's show.

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Speaker 1: It's a big deep dive on the fact that Nicki

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Speaker 1: Haley really never had success in life outside of politics.

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Speaker 3: She was.

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Speaker 1: Not really making much of a living. I'm not begrudging

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Speaker 1: anybody on the struggles that they might have to take

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Speaker 2: You and I have both, can I just I don't

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Speaker 2: want to like disrupt. You were a writer for a

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Speaker 2: a website. You know, I tweeted this out, like I

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Speaker 2: is to be in the fight, and so you know,

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Speaker 2: we don't begrudge that Nicki Haley had to. You know,

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Speaker 2: I was. I've been there. You've been there. It's not easy.

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Speaker 1: But but I will say when I saw that she

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Speaker 1: made two and a half million dollars off speeches, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're selling favors.

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Speaker 2: That's the perception at some level is you're selling favors.

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Speaker 1: Like the reason why I like Trump is he's not

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Speaker 1: Some people are very talented at it. But I like

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Speaker 1: people of the Vagromswami I like for the same reason.

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Speaker 1: I think if you've made a living outside of being

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Speaker 1: a public employee and not traded on your politics, right.

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Speaker 1: I read that article two and a half million dollars.

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Speaker 1: It just feels, you know, the speech game, like I'm

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Speaker 1: doing a speech this weekend, like okay, But when you're

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Speaker 1: and then coming back into politics like it's one thing

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Speaker 1: if you're done, like, hey, my political career is over.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm going to go out. I'm gonna make money. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I understand that speech.

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Speaker 2: It's a far way to buy influence. It's hunting by

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Speaker 2: your paintings at a certain level. I do, by the way,

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Speaker 2: do great paid speeches for anybody out there for a

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Speaker 2: public conservative organization. I'm doing one. What I'm going funny,

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Speaker 2: So I'm doing a great speech super Bowl weekend. They're

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Speaker 2: very smart to get somebody who doesn't care about the

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Speaker 2: super Bowl to fly out super Bowl weekend. I know

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Speaker 2: you're you're doing a few coming up, including down here

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Speaker 2: in Florida. But you know it's not ninety or ninety

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Speaker 2: five percent of your income or my income. You know,

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Speaker 2: we're not beholden. We're happy to do speeches by the way,

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Speaker 2: but we're not beholden. I feel like Garth and Wayne's world. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's like, we will not bow to any sponsor. And

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Speaker 2: covered in, like Adidas gear or something Rebok He's covered

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Speaker 2: in Rebock gear. Yeah, we will not bow to any sponsors,

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Speaker 2: but we do love highly paid speeches. My point about

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Speaker 2: Nikki Haley is when you're making two million dollars for speeches,

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Speaker 2: it's because you're also getting paid two hundred her grandest speech.

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Speaker 2: And the kind of places that do that are you know,

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Speaker 2: influence and connection to the policy. This is why Hillary

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Speaker 2: Clinton made millions and millions of dollars for speeches. It

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Speaker 2: not because their speeches were so great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so that's why I think Nikki Haley will

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Speaker 1: and buck if she is she'll get a job at CNN,

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Speaker 1: and CNN will pay her several million dollars a year,

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Speaker 1: Like maybe she decides to go to Joe Scarborough route

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Speaker 1: make millions of dollars, not ever having to work worry

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Speaker 1: about running for reelection again. It doesn't feel to me

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Speaker 1: like she's gonna do that. But it is a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of second though. To be fair, and I think

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Speaker 1: we have some Nicky Haley fans.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was in Nicki Haley territory when I

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Speaker 2: there are some Nicky Haley fans and attendance. I can

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Speaker 2: were like, I'm gonna vote Trump, but I still like Nikki.

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Speaker 2: That was pretty much the that's the South Carolina vibe

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Speaker 2: I did meet people who say, oh, no, Nicki Haley

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Speaker 2: is she a neo Khan Bush establishment, because what you're

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Speaker 2: talking about is more she's actually just a fake Republican

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Speaker 2: and a liberal. I don't know if that's I don't

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Speaker 1: Necessarily saying that. I'm saying, I'm nervous that she's just

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Speaker 1: gonna chase the money.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back here to Clay and Buck. You know Clay's

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Speaker 2: we're talking about the politics. I'm talking about politics and

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Speaker 1: Every time Kamala Harris speaks, she speaks as if she

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. I wanted to play

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Speaker 1: a couple of cuts from up in New Hampshire where

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Speaker 1: what Governor Sonunu said yesterday. There's only been three goals here.

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Speaker 5: Two was to make sure there are only two candidates

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Speaker 2: Here. The last point is they're polls.

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Speaker 5: Last time I checked, they're always wrong, right, so you.

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Speaker 2: Never know the same poll.

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Speaker 5: On the day I got elect, the governor said I

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Speaker 2: The voter turnout.

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Speaker 1: It's all about the enthusiasm.

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Speaker 5: Where's the energy, not just what people say on the

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Speaker 1: I think that's not really landing. But Trump responded to

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Speaker 6: Listen, well, i think I'm a lot sharper than her.

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Speaker 6: I would do this. I would sit down right now

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Speaker 6: That could even come close to winning. In fact, when

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Buck, if we just had instead

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Speaker 1: It is fascinating who gets attacked for their intelligence and

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Speaker 1: Haley came to me and she said, Clay, I'm willing

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Speaker 1: What would you advise me? I would say, you go

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Speaker 1: after the fact that he lost in twenty twenty, I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: against Joe Biden again because what will change that will

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Speaker 1: lead to you being victorious and I think you have

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Speaker 1: to hammer him on it all that that's the only

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Speaker 1: message you hit.

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Speaker 2: Over and over and over again.

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Speaker 1: The challenge that I think she would run into with

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Speaker 1: not that worried about electability because if Biden were the nominee,

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Speaker 1: then that is Biden's the worst possible nominee. Now, Nicky

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Speaker 1: Haley could potentially pivot and take the step of Biden's

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Speaker 1: not going to be the nominee. They just want to

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Speaker 1: get you locked in Donald Trump, and then they want

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Speaker 1: to shift and bring in a better candidate to beat you.

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Speaker 1: And I'll beat any candidate they put forward. You probably

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Speaker 1: will lose to Biden again if that were her argument,

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Speaker 1: but you would certainly lose to Michelle Obama or any

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Speaker 1: other rig job candidate they put in. That's the burn

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Speaker 1: the ship's argument. And I don't think she's willing to

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Speaker 1: burn the ships. And if she's not willing to burn

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Speaker 1: gonna win no matter what. But you have to be

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Speaker 1: I don't know that Nikki Hayley in twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: eight there'll be twenty five people running, and I think

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Speaker 1: it'll be very hard to win that nomination. I don't

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Speaker 1: think somebody's gonna run away with it like has happened

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Speaker 1: this year. So that's that would be my advice. If

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Speaker 1: I think you have to say Trump's a loser and

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Speaker 2: Have we ever talked about how her Nan Cortez didn't

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Speaker 1: By the way, we have that to say, it's such

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Speaker 1: good to change. He scuttled his ships, he didn't actually

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Speaker 1: burn them. But burning is a much better if you're

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Speaker 1: looking for the metaphor. Burning is much more visceral.

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Speaker 2: It's much more you know, you know, another thing, you know,

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Speaker 2: nowhere else to go, you know, Lemming's don't actually commit suicide, right,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, use of it. Yeah, it's too useful. They

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Speaker 2: That's insane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it wouldn't go It wouldn't go very well, and

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Speaker 2: No, they would not be very never allowed that anymore.

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Speaker 2: And they're actually kind of cute, So it was. It

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Speaker 2: a little bit like some of the quotes out there,

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Speaker 2: Like Ron got hit for using a Churchill quote about

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Speaker 2: you know something is it's never final or defeat is

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Speaker 1: But the same thing. By the way, Roberty Lee, I

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Speaker 1: There are people who are Civil War aficionados, right who

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Speaker 1: What former President Trump last night said, you'll probably drop

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Speaker 1: out today. What's your response to that.

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Speaker 3: I don't do what he tells me to do.

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Speaker 1: I've never done what he tells.

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Speaker 3: Me to do. If Trump beats you by double digits

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Speaker 3: here in New Hampshire, do you think that your campaign

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Speaker 3: we start the day and there were thirteen fourteen candidates

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Speaker 1: What do you mean answer? It's a good answer. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I give her credit. I mean, that's the right answer.

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Speaker 2: And she is right.

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Speaker 1: She has outlasted a lot of people that no one

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Speaker 1: thought she would be the last. But you're not running

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Speaker 1: to try to almost become president of the United States.

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Speaker 1: You're running to be president of the United States. And

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Speaker 1: I still unless she wins or loses by like you know,

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Speaker 1: three or four points or something like that, close margin loss.

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Speaker 1: I don't see any pathway for her at all to

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Speaker 1: I think ultimately the question she's gonna have to answer

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: She may get a couple of days to kind of

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Speaker 1: could even wait and see whether there's any kind of

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Speaker 1: bounce based on her performance in New Hampshire. But Trump

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Speaker 1: was in good shape to win South Carolina before we

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Speaker 1: even know what happens in New Hampshire. Nicki Hayley put

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Speaker 1: as in, I'm going to beat Donald Trump in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: She's not going to do that. I don't think it

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Speaker 1: would be a huge upset. She does, it would be

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Speaker 1: a race changing outcome. I think by eleven o'clock eastern,

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Speaker 1: Trump is going to have one by fifteen or twenty

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Speaker 1: points buck and this race is effectively going to be

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Speaker 1: over And that surprises me because if we had been

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Speaker 1: talking a year ago, Buck, if I had said to you,

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Speaker 1: Trump will have the entire Republican race locked up by

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Speaker 1: tonight what we anticipate the voters of New Hampshire are

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Speaker 2: People who have underestimated Trump in the past have done

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Speaker 2: so with consequences that they weren't expecting. And I think

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Speaker 2: here to come back from a presidential election loss in

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Speaker 2: office however we got there, that is what happened. To

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Speaker 2: come back from that and to not only wipe away

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Speaker 2: effectively the entire Republican primary, as you were pointing out,

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Speaker 2: sow this whole thing up very quickly. I mean, have

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Speaker 2: it already, you know, all good to go at such

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Speaker 2: an early stage, and to also be doing all this

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Speaker 2: with four felony criminal indictments against him in the background.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Trump said it to us he's built different

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Speaker 2: or built differently, and he definitely is. This is not

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Speaker 2: normal stuff at all that he is going through and

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Speaker 2: dealing with, and so far the ability to withstand all

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Speaker 2: of this looks almost superhuman. I mean, I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of people would be broken by what he's been through.

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Speaker 1: And I would say, if you could change one aspect

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Speaker 1: of the Republican primary, we'll probably get into this sum tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: My kids watch all the Marvel movies, and obviously if

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Speaker 1: you watch any of those Marvel movies, there's a concept

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Speaker 1: called the multiverse, right where things spiral a little bit differently.

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Speaker 1: If Democrats had decided, you know what we're really if

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden had been what he said he was going

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Speaker 1: to be a uniter, and if he had made the

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Speaker 1: same decision when he got into office that Trump made

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Speaker 1: about Hillary Clinton, and if he had said, hey, I

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Speaker 1: got elected, I'm not going to try to put Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump in prison. I'm calling the dogs off, no investigations.

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Speaker 1: If he wants to run again, he can run again.

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Speaker 1: I'll beat him fair and square. If he had actually

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Speaker 1: taken that tack What would have happened in the Republican

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Speaker 1: primary that to me, once the indictment started in March

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three, I really think the die was cast.

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Speaker 1: What would New Hampshire and Iowa have looked like if

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Speaker 1: Trump had never gotten indicted at all? That is I

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Speaker 1: think the No. Number one question that will never know

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Speaker 1: the answer of, but to me is the most integral

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Speaker 1: aspect of the entire.

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Speaker 2: Republican A summary race. Can you think of another time

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Speaker 2: in political and political history where a felony criminal indictment,

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Speaker 2: never mind four of them against a person running for

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Speaker 2: office was a net positive in this way? I usually

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Speaker 2: a felony indictment would mean your toast. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Most people would drop out if they got a felony

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Speaker 1: indicting Yes, so most people wouldn't even consider continuing to run.

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Speaker 1: That's a fun discussion too. No, I can't think of

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Speaker 1: any historical analogy here that's anything like the moment that

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Speaker 1: we're in right now.

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Speaker 2: Trump is built different