1 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: Body Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. The greatest joy that 2 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: I have experienced in my life was the birth of 3 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: my children. It's like this, it's a culmination. It's a start, 4 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: but it's kind of a culmination of this ramping up. 5 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: And particularly when you're young and your first child comes 6 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: along and it is joyful. It's hard to describe, you know, 7 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: tears of joy. You know people hear about that when 8 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: a child is born. I think a lot of that 9 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: is the release of anxiety because there's a lot of fear. 10 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot of fear leading up to the birth 11 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: of a child, just terrifying. I remember laying awake at 12 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: night thinking, you know how in the world am I 13 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: going to do this? You know how in the world 14 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: am I going to support my child? Those few days 15 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: leading up to the birth, when you know that your 16 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: wife has gone full term and you don't know what's 17 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: waiting around the corner, it's enough to make very strong 18 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: men tremble in their boots. I know it did for me. Today, 19 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: we're going to discuss a young couple that never made 20 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: it to that point of ecstasy to gaze into the 21 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: eyes of their newborn child. We're going to talk about 22 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: a young couple that were executed and as a result 23 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: of their execution, their precious little child that had yet 24 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: to be born what was due, died as well. I'm 25 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Minds. I remember 26 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: the first time I strapped a child seat and it's 27 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: not really a seat, it's more like a carrier dave 28 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: into the back of my car at the hospital and 29 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: you think about it, and I remember thinking I should 30 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: have practiced this, And you're sitting there and you're thinking, 31 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, how in the world am I going to 32 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: first off, leave the hospital safely? And people are doing 33 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: this for thousands of years, you know, you know, going 34 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,839 Speaker 1: places where their baby, but this was my first time. 35 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: How are you going to to transport this precious little 36 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: new life that's so fragile. Everybody's telling you U's fragile, right, 37 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: are you gonna do this? Get home? And then once 38 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: you get home, what are you gonna do? And I 39 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: remember I have distinct memories of that. The old movie 40 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: Knocked Up where at the end of the movie, Seth 41 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: Rogan's driving down the road with a newborn child and 42 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: he's driving like on one of the la. I guess 43 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: it's five or one of those. He's driving down the 44 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: highway in the far right lane at about twenty. 45 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: Five hours per hour. That that was me. Man, Now, 46 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: I don't know about you. 47 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: Did you have that feeling too? 48 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: I was like raising Arizona with the baby in the 49 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: middle of the freeway. That was pretty much me. Yeah, 50 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: you know, got the extreme. 51 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: One of my favorite movies, man of all, top rate. 52 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: Well, you know when you talk about having that first child, 53 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: and it is a shocking moment of clarity because for 54 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: a guy, you watch things, you participated at the beginning 55 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: and the rest of it you're pretty much an observer, 56 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: you support or whatever. But you know, a woman goes 57 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: through all the physical changes in the bonding with this 58 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: new body. I mean, there's a lot going on with 59 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: a woman where a guy totally out of control. There's 60 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: not one thing a man can do other than allow 61 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: you to break his fingers while you grip you know, 62 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: in earth. I mean, that's really kind of limited. 63 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: Boy, it's quite. It's quite the undertaking. Are you prepped? 64 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: And that's the biggest thing. Are you prepped? And you 65 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: know what today talking about this case and I say, 66 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: being prepped there are some images that had popped up 67 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: in regards to the mother of this unborn child. Savannah 68 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: Soto is her name, and the preparation part of this. 69 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever went to a baby shower. 70 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: Maybe you have now at this stage in your life. 71 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: But you talk about being a fish out of water. 72 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: Uh. 73 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: You know, You're sitting there in this environment and you 74 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: don't really realize what's going on as a man, and 75 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: you see these presents, these offerings that are being brought 76 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: to you, and you're thinking, what what's a breast pump for? 77 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: Why am I you know, why are you handing me 78 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: these you know, these bags of diapers and you know 79 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: we need bumpers for the for the interior of the crib, 80 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, what's a bump you know, like all 81 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: of these things. And you know, with Savannah Soto, she 82 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: had had the shower and I could see the joy 83 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: in her face and uh, you know her her boyfriend 84 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: Christopher was sitting there as well, and he kind of 85 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: had that he he kind of had that look as 86 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: he's holding something. I remember he's holding a bag of 87 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: diapers in one of these images, and I'm thinking, I 88 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: understand where his mind is at that moment in time. 89 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: I can attest to the rest of his life, but 90 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: at that moment time you see that. But there's a 91 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: nervous energy about it. There's this anticipation and you're thinking 92 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 1: about are you prep But David, I got to tell you, brother, 93 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: there is no way they could have been prepared for, 94 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, for what was coming down the tracks at them. Now, 95 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: that's what makes this case so markedly tragic. 96 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 2: Savannah Soto is eighteen years old. Her boyfriend is Matthew Gara, 97 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: he's twenty two. They have carried they say they because 98 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: they were a couple romantically involved. It was their child 99 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: they were expecting, and Savannah had carried the baby full 100 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: term to the point where it's now passed due and 101 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: we have scheduled a labor and that we're going to 102 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: induce labor. 103 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: Let me get this straight, Dave, Matthew and Savannah they're 104 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: they're living together, so you know, the family and again 105 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: that's one of those moments in tom you know you 106 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: think about as a parent, You're thinking, oh Lord, my 107 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: child is out there, she's pregnant, and the I don't 108 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: have any control over this. The responsibility is upon them. 109 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: So he was, he was involved in this whole process. 110 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: Y he was, and they were. 111 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: They were living together as a couple expecting their newborn. 112 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: You're right, and granted eighteen is young, but in some 113 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: families eighteen is looked at differently than it is others. 114 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: Savannah Soto's family, her mother, her family looked at her 115 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: as a young adult. She was living with her boyfriend 116 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: and they were having a baby. It was like age 117 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: didn't really come into play for them as they were 118 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: looking at this family unit adding to it with a child, 119 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: and the families were both involved in the process. Her family, 120 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: you know, was aware of her doctor's appointments and when 121 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: she was going and where and all that. That's why 122 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: you had the pictures from the baby shower, because there 123 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: were family and friends really involved in this. So when 124 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: they can't find Savannah, they're concerned. Her due date has passed, 125 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: she's getting ready to have labor induced, and now we 126 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: can't get her on the phone. So finally Savannah's family 127 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: calls police. They spend all day on the twenty first 128 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: December twenty first, they're looking everywhere. When they can't find her, 129 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: they've kind of set their own date going on the 130 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: twenty third, she's having the baby induced and we can't 131 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: find her, called the police. So on December twenty second, 132 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: a day before she is scheduled to be induced, they 133 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: get out of missing person's report on Savannah Soto. And 134 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 2: by the way, Matthew Gara's family is going through the 135 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: same thing. They can't find him either, and so they 136 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: report him missing at the same time. So now it's 137 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 2: not just an eighteen year old pregnant girl that nobody 138 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: can find, or a twenty two year old young man 139 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: that his family doesn't know where he is. This is 140 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: a couple expecting a child and both are now missing. 141 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a different dynamic than say, you've got 142 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: two you know, you've got two young lovers that are 143 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: gonna run off in a lope somewhere. That this dynamic 144 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: you're talking about where the framework has been laid. And 145 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: I know this. I actually was present for an interview 146 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: with Savannah's mother. They had they had their apartment baby ready, 147 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. I mean they had 148 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: it all set up, the bed was set up, the 149 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: whole nine yards. They're fully aware. Why as an investigator, 150 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: you when you get a bit of information about a 151 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: pregnant woman in particular, And the one thing you're wanting 152 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: is I think for the parent obviously, and even more 153 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: so with a brand new parent. You want safety and 154 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: security that you're not going to run off somewhere because 155 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: you've got the groundwork laid that you want to take 156 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: this precious young life back to that you know that 157 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: everything's going to be safe, it's going to be secure, 158 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: and everything's going to be okay. And you know, in 159 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: this case, Dave, you know they're in a my mad 160 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: rush to try to find these kids. 161 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: And that's why, after they were initially reported missing, the 162 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: Texas Department of Public Safety released what they call a 163 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: clear alert for Savannah on Christmas Day. The alert gave 164 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: a description of Matthew's Garat's car twenty thirteen gray Kia Optima. 165 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: This was a key part of the investigation. I mean, 166 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: right away they get a call saying and by the way, 167 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: I think it was the family that got called by 168 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: a resident at this Northwest Side apartment complex that reaches 169 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 2: out to the family and says, hey, there's a car 170 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: over here that matches the description of that twenty thirteen 171 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: greg Kia Optima. In our parking lot. The car had 172 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 2: been backed in to a spot. The car was not 173 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: parked like it would just be. You know, you're in 174 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 2: the apartment compleation parking car and going in. It actually 175 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: was placed there and backed in. 176 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: I find it interesting that this car was essentially backed 177 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: in to a space at this apartment complex that was 178 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: essentially as far away from prying eyes as it could 179 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: possibly be in this location. And one of the little 180 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: tragic elements about this is that this car was right 181 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: adjacent to the hospital where Savannah would have delivered a 182 00:11:40,040 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: precious a little new bar. It doesn't matter, if it 183 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: really doesn't matter how much time passes for investigators, you 184 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: know the old one. You know, you've drunk enough whiskey 185 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: to float a battleship. There's not enough whiskey in the world. 186 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: There's not enough many times, even therapy for those of 187 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: us that have been in the field as investigators to 188 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: eradicate images from our minds and the things that we see. 189 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: And you know, Dave, when the investigators arrived at the scene, 190 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: I know this now, I didn't know it initially. They 191 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: found this young couple in this vehicle, this optima that 192 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: you had mentioned, and Dave. First off, Matthew is in 193 00:12:54,360 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: the back seat, it's his vehicle, and Savannah is in 194 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: the front passenger seat. And according to the report, we 195 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: have her her child carrier, the what they're going to 196 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: convey this precious little life home man has been placed 197 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: on top of her body. And for me, that that's 198 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: a that's a I don't know if it's an issue 199 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: with obscuring the face. You know, we talked about face covering, 200 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: an idea of familiarity. Maybe it's guilt on the part 201 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: of whoever did this horrible deed. I know for me 202 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: it's kind of an exclamation point in the trajectory of 203 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: the story. 204 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned trajectory, and I got to ask you, Joe. 205 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 2: We know we've got Savannah Soto in the front seat. 206 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: We have her boyfriend Matthew in the back. Now from 207 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 2: the reports, it says they were both shot in ahead. Yeah, 208 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,599 Speaker 2: And there are a couple other things I want to 209 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 2: lay in here. Police say that Matthew appeared to have 210 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: been drug into the backseat. And this is not the 211 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 2: location where they were shot so or where they were murdered. 212 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: They were brought here after they were murdered. Now, after 213 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: the car was found. We saw videotape they showed when 214 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: the car arrived in this spot. Correctly, we do. 215 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: And and it's kind of a you know, I was 216 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: watching something the other day, and I think that everybody 217 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: identify with it. We can we can have satellite imagery 218 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: from space of details on Earth that are so very 219 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: fine and granted, you know that this is probably not fair, 220 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: and and those you know, you can see clearly what's 221 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: on the ground right that you have these CCTV cameras where. 222 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: Things are grainy and great and dark, grainy. 223 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: Gray, digitized, you know that sort of thing. But what 224 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: I do know is that the imagery that they had 225 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: with the CCTV is you've got a full size, full 226 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: size pickup truck. And when I say full size, I 227 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: mean it's got like two full doors on the rear, 228 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: so it's it's a dual cab newer it looks. It 229 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: looks to be a Chevy, I think. And you can 230 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: see the outline of the plate, okay, And you can 231 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: see that it's on a white background. Uh, and you 232 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: can see that there are digits that are on there. 233 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: But I you know, and I swear Dave I froze, 234 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: I froze my screen or paused it a couple of 235 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: times and tried to make out the detail because I'm 236 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: thinking this is like this is like, you know, walking 237 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: down the road and finding it. From an investigative standpoint, 238 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: it's like finding just a nugget of goal laying on 239 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: top of the ground, because you know, this is a 240 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: nice truck. This is not like some beater somebody stole. 241 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: Somebody still making monthly notes on this truck when you 242 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: look at it. That's how I knew it is. And 243 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: it's an upper end, you know model, and you're thinking, 244 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: somebody owns this. This is going to be tied back 245 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: to somebody, And so the car the truck actually is. 246 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: You see the rear of the of the truck in 247 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: the imagery and you can make out that there is 248 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: a license plate you can kind of and I urge 249 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: anybody that's listening to this go and tell me what 250 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: you think about it. But you can actually see that, 251 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: you think you can pick up on the brand. The 252 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: truck was actually stopped and the lights were off. It 253 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: was just sitting there and then all of a sudden, 254 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: the Kia appears. It comes into frame and pulls up 255 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: alongside so you see the front end of the Kia 256 00:16:55,520 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: facing in the opposite direction and this hulk of a guy. 257 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: And when I say hulk, I don't mean like he's muscular. 258 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: This guy has got like a gigantic beer gut. It 259 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: looks like I mean it is literally hanging over. 260 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: A puff marshmallow man. 261 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. And actually in forensics we call it he might 262 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: have a sight ease, which is something that you get 263 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: with people that like their beer. Abdomen is tense. It's 264 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: it's distended, I mean, and I wouldn't normally make a 265 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: big deal out of that, but this guy had on 266 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: like a T shirt that was big, but yet it 267 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: didn't cover everything. You still had. It looked like he had, 268 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: you know, a skin sack hanging down below the margins 269 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: of the of the T shirt. It's just hanging there. 270 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm thinking they're going to find out who this person 271 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: is because there's no way you could like hide him 272 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: in a crowd. And when the Kia pulls up, the 273 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: one thing you can make out is that the person 274 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: it's a it's a dark, grainy image. That person gets 275 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: out of the vehicle, out of the Kia, and there's 276 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: an exchange between the big guy and the guy driving 277 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: the Kia, And what you see with the guy driving 278 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: the Kia is he's got long hair and it's dark 279 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: but you can't make out his face even though they 280 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: kind of rotate around, and a towel has passed between 281 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: them too. Dave and I think that that is a 282 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: salient piece of information when you're looking at it from 283 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: a forensic standpoint, because the the towel is handed off 284 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: to the guy in the truck, or are handed from 285 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: the truck to the to the person in the car, 286 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: and then it's handed back. What can be implied by that? 287 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: I think, Well, now all of this is on the 288 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 2: surveillance video after the after the car has been found 289 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 2: and police are looking back at it and they find this. 290 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 2: So now we we know that Savannah Soto and Matthew 291 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: Garow were not murdered in that location. Do we even 292 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 2: know that? Are they seen? Can you in the video? 293 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 2: Can you see anybody else? 294 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: Okay, I got to tell you this, and it was 295 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: one of the most ominous things I'm going to tell you. 296 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: I was actually when I first saw the image, I 297 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: was doing a live hit. Sometimes you'll be sitting in 298 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: the chair when you're covering these things in the media, 299 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: and you'll pick up on things as you're watching it 300 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: in real time with the host. And I think I 301 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: was on with Julie Grant, I can't remember, and I 302 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: was watching this thing and Dave. One of the things 303 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: that struck me, buddy, was that these windows in this 304 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: Kia are really dark. I mean, and it's dark outside, 305 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: but I strained, I tried to see through there. And 306 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: you know, after the fact, you're thinking, Okay, so were 307 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: these remains in the cabin of this vehicle, and I 308 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: I'd vote yes, I'd raise my hand, I'd say yeah, yeah, 309 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: I think that they were in in the vehicle. And 310 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: so you're actually seeing perhaps facing facing the windshield. You're thinking, Okay, 311 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: her body is there, but you can't see it. It's 312 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: through the you know, through the if you could view, 313 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: if you were up on it and you were really strained, 314 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: you might could see her. He's in the back seat. 315 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: All the windows are intact in this car. There is 316 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: not like something has been blown out, you know, which 317 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: I see with gunfire cases involving vehicles many times you 318 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: see when when things are randomized, and that's a real 319 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: that's a touchstone here in this case, when things are 320 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: randomized and you have like dry by shootings, you'll see 321 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: glass blown everywhere and defects in the car. You don't 322 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: see that here, you don't. You don't see it at all. 323 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: Matter of fact, car looks like it's in pristine condition, 324 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, from what you're seeing right there. But you 325 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: know you have this kind of I had that kind 326 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: of gut wrenching moment for a second as that guy 327 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: that got out of the car that was driving that Kia, 328 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: that ain't Matthew all right, that is that is not him. 329 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: He's in that car. The body is in that car. 330 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: Her body is in that car right then and there 331 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: there's some kind of exchange that's taking the place between 332 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: the fellow driving the truck the fellow driving the Kia, 333 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: and you know that they they're trying to decide what 334 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: to do with the vehicle at that moment in time. 335 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: To my own detriment, I have made and I won't 336 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: mention the case, but I have made the the comment 337 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: that a vehicle, a vehicle can be a rolling crime scene. 338 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: And that's what makes that's what makes cases involving vehicles 339 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: kind of difficult to work. As opposed to like if 340 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: you're in a static structure, Dave, like a home, all right, 341 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: or even a mobile home where you have some somebody 342 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: that has been the victim of homicide. Within a structure, 343 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: it's static, it's not necessarily going anywhere. But with a car, 344 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, you and I have just had a discussion 345 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: where we're thinking, well, where they killed in the car 346 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: or where they killed somewhere else, and the car is 347 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: used as a transportation mode. You know what you sit 348 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: around you try to think out the dynamics of it, 349 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: because you know there have been cases. Man, I had 350 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: a case many years ago where a guy killed a 351 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: fellow in Atlanta and it was pulled over by state 352 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: troopers in Ohio and the body was still in the 353 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: back seat. You don't know what happens vehicles. It adds 354 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: another element to anything that you're looking at from a 355 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: forensic perspective. 356 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: Based on the car being pulled into the location as 357 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 2: we now see and realizing it's not Matthew Gara that 358 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: is driving the car, knowing that Savannah Sota has been 359 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: found dead in the front seat passenger side of the 360 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 2: car with the carrier, the baby carrier on place on 361 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 2: top of her that Matthew Garra is in the back 362 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: seat laying down and has been shot in the head. 363 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 2: The police said their unborn baby was also dead in 364 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: the car. 365 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: What they're saying is that this unborn baby had died 366 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: in Utero as a result of the mother being shot. 367 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: And that's very important here because you're not I think 368 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: that people are real quick to think, you know, you're 369 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: looking at a double homicide, that's sitting a double homicides, 370 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: triple homicide. And that's the way this. You know, this 371 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: case is taking place in San Antonio, Texas, and I 372 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: can guarantee you this, that's the way they're going to 373 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: operate this. And even you know, I knew something was 374 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: up from the beginning because news reports that were initially 375 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: coming out about this case said that and this was 376 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: coming from the police said that they're investigating a capital homicide, 377 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: and generally with capital homicide, and that means that capital 378 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: punishment is on the table, and capital punishment is on 379 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: the table in Texas. Trust me, many times it involves 380 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: and you go from state to state, but you can 381 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: get the needle for killing multiple people. You can get 382 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: the needle many times for killing someone. I know in 383 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: some states. I think is in Louisiana where I learned 384 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: criminal law. Anybody under the age of twelve, so this 385 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: would qualify. And the fact that they've got her prenatal 386 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: history so well documented. You can put a doctor on 387 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: the stand now listen to this. They would have they 388 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: would have taken the baby at autopsy. Okay, trust me, 389 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: I've done this. They actually removed the baby at autopsy. 390 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: Do you know a separate autopsy is done for that baby. 391 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: I don't think people realize that, and it is. And 392 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 1: that's all going to be documented along the way. And 393 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: the reason that is important if you're adhering to the 394 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: letter of the law. It will have been documented scientifically 395 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: that the child's vible. Okay, it will be documented that 396 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: this child was not dead in utero prior to this 397 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: event occurring with the mother of the child. 398 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 2: Because we know that it was a full term baby, 399 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 2: because they were getting ready to induce labor. 400 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right, and they had all of the 401 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: marker you know, all those things we talked about being 402 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: a parent, where you have to go to all the 403 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: prenatal visits. 404 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 2: The baby carrier was placed on top of her dead body. 405 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: It's right there. 406 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: They were going to ask you, yo, is it possible. 407 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: When we covered the story of Lacy Peterson and her 408 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 2: baby Connor, she was not full term he she was 409 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: murdered two in months or so before he was due, 410 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: I believe. But when her body was found, Yeah, the Connor, 411 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 2: the baby was found outside the womb. And you explained 412 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: how the body would expel the baby coffin birth. Ye, right, Well, 413 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 2: in this particular case, if Savannah Soto is murdered by 414 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 2: a gunshot to the head, could her voluntari body voluntary 415 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 2: involuntarily expel the baby. 416 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: It's possible. We don't have that information at this point 417 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: in tom and I'm curious to see if that was 418 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: the dynamic that occurred. But I've worked I've worked more 419 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: cases involving uh pregnant mothers where the body of the 420 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: child is still in euro as opposed to having coffin bursts. Generally, 421 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: coffin bursts occur after a long interval of decomposition. You 422 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: know that that will happen. You have a degrading of 423 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: the tissue that you know, there's kind of this anatomical 424 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: architecture that's going on the body. You know that is 425 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: compromised at that point in time. 426 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 2: But not here. 427 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: I mean here, I wouldn't I wouldn't think so. But 428 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: here's another interesting point along this. You know, Matthew was 429 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: identified pretty quickly, and this goes to these levels of 430 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: identification that we use. We try to be very careful. 431 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: We have a female that's obviously pregnant, but yet her 432 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: and she's a known person within matt she is missing, 433 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: but yet it took longer to get her identified or 434 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: for them to release a positive identity on her. So 435 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if that has to do with facial 436 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: trauma or something like that, because it can because the 437 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: bodies were not found for three days. But you know, 438 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: this time of year, even in South Texas, you're not 439 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: going to have It's not gonna be like July in 440 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: South Texas, all right. The me actually stated that Matthew 441 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: had died of a contact gunshot wound. Well, what does 442 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: that mean? Because spatial spatial proximity, all right, And when 443 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: you're talking about gunfire is it tells you a lot 444 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: about the environment that a body is found in and 445 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: about the relationship prior to death that the victim has 446 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: with the perpetrator. Dave in order to get to the 447 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: point where you have a contact gunshot wound. You have 448 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: to be approximating this person like and within the personal bubble. 449 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: And when they say contact, they're not just saying that passively. 450 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: They're actually saying that the end of that muscle of 451 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: that weapon was placed against his head when that weapon 452 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: was discharged into his head. Well, how does that happen? Well, 453 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: you're going to have to get this. I don't know. 454 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: He looks like a rather healthy, six foot tall young 455 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: man to you know, acquiesce to you, to you know, 456 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: kind of turn himself over and make his head available, 457 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, And how are you going to do that? Well? 458 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: This goes to familiarity, doesn't it. I think that in 459 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: this you learn a lot about the perpetrator in this 460 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: one moment in time when they release this information about 461 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: this case, that this person was able to get so 462 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: close to Matthew that he could take the muzzle of 463 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: that weapon and place it up against this kid's head 464 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: pull the trigger. Now, they haven't said a lot. We 465 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: do know that that Savannah has died as a result 466 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: of a gunshot wound to the head, but they haven't 467 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: talked about proximity relative to her. 468 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 2: They mentioned contact wound for Matthew Gyara. Yes, that is 469 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 2: not mentioned with Savannah Soto, So am I to assume that, 470 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: since it's not mentioned directly, that it was not a 471 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: contact wound, or that they didn't place the gun muzzle 472 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 2: right up to her head. 473 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: Right, That's one of the assumptions we could make. And also, 474 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: you know how I'd mentioned that it took it they 475 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: delayed in making the identification on her if her body 476 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: was traumatically compromised to the point. But still, you know, 477 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm scratching my head thinking about what I'm saying here. 478 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: You can still ascertain even if a head is greatly traumatized, 479 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: you can. What we will do in the morgue is 480 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: when you have a gunshot wound to the head, we 481 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: have to go through this long process. We shave all 482 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: of the heads, not every inch of the head, but 483 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: anything that we believe is in proximity to a gunshot 484 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: one to the head, we shave the hair off. The 485 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: reason you have to do that is that the hair 486 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: obscures any kind of powder deposition on the surface of 487 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: the skin, even if bodies are decomposed. You know, we'll 488 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: go through that act in order to try to ascertain 489 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: range of fire, because range of fire is everything, and 490 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: in a case like this, it certainly is because you 491 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: begin to think about, well, who is within their circle 492 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: that could have gotten that close to them. And when 493 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: you think about the vehicle that they're in, this is 494 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: a Kia Optima, it's not. You're not talking about you know, 495 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: your Grandpappy's, you know, Cadillac nineteen seventy three Cadillac Eldorado. 496 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: Here you're talking about a very small space, and you're 497 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: going to have dynamic blood deposition if it occurs within 498 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: the cabin of that car. Even if it's a single 499 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: gsw to the head, you're you're going to have this 500 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: this blowout that's going to occur even in even in 501 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: small portion. And oh, this is the other thing. If 502 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: it is a contact gunshot wound, you've heard the term 503 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: blow back. What you have to think about is that 504 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: as that weapon is being placed to a head, uh 505 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: and the trigger the firing sequence is initiated, you've got 506 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: the projectile coming out of the weapon, but you've also 507 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,479 Speaker 1: got a tremendous injection of gas that's occurring. So anything 508 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: is going to be blown back, it'll be blown back 509 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: onto the hand of the perpetrator and onto the surface 510 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: of the weapon. So finding that weapon is going to 511 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: be key, I think. And if if this is if 512 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: the if it occurred inside the vehicle, so you might 513 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: even have if they were shot simultaneously, you could have 514 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: within this vehicle, you could have overlay of blood deposition. 515 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: You could have her blood commingled with his, even though 516 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: he's in the back seat and the portrator on their clothes. 517 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: They might have blood from both of these subjects, which 518 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: is not beyond the realm of possibility. 519 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 2: We don't know that they were killed in the car, right. 520 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 2: We know the police say that Matthew Gara actually have 521 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 2: been dragged into the back, so obviously he could have 522 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: been killed in the front seat and pulled out and 523 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 2: drug around of the back. I'm not suggesting that. Yeah, 524 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 2: but we don't know any of that yet. And we 525 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 2: know they were not killed in the location where their 526 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 2: bodies were found based on the surveillance video of the 527 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 2: car being pulled into that spot. 528 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that there as time goes by, 529 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: there's going to be more CCTV that is released in 530 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: this because I think they've got that car probably. I mean, look, 531 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: we can't escape it nowadays, can't we Buddy? That car's 532 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: gon be going in front of a lens somewhere, you know, 533 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: and not to mention. And this is where you know, 534 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: electronic forensics is really going to play key. Remember Mama, 535 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: Mama and family are trying to find her. You know 536 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: her phone is you know they're ringing her phone. Matthew's 537 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: probably got a phone. Where are the phones? And if 538 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: they can narrow this down where these phones are pining 539 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: off of Lord knows day, you might even have a 540 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: circumstance if they were near a CCTV camera, You might 541 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: even have a circumstance where you have you can bear 542 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: witness to a muzzleflash. In this case, we don't know 543 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: what they have at this point. 544 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 2: I was so glad you gave the description of what 545 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 2: was seen on the surveillance video, even though it wasn't 546 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 2: crystal clear. You described the people that were arrested, and 547 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 2: you gave a good description of them based on the blurry, 548 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 2: grainy photo video that you saw. The people that were arrested, 549 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 2: it's a father son duo, and police have been very 550 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 2: specific about who did what to whom, so the police 551 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 2: know a whole lot more than they are telling us. 552 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and both of these individuals have in fact been charged. 553 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: And I find it interesting that the father, who is 554 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: who turns out to be this rather protuberant individual, he's 555 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: charged with abuse of a corpse. 556 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 2: Uh. 557 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: And that goes. 558 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 2: To Ramon Preciado. He's fifty three. 559 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: Handling of the body. 560 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 2: Dave right. 561 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: That interesting, Yeah, so you know that's what he's you know, 562 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: that's so that leaves us The son has Chris nineteen. Yeah, 563 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: he's been charged with long hair. When I saw it, 564 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: this is what I thought. I thought, Oh my god, 565 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: if that adult male is the perpetrator in this case, 566 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: that hair could be found inside the cabin of that car. 567 00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: And boy, it's very distinctive, very distinctive. It's it's it's long, black, wavy, 568 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, it is there, man, And I'm thinking, wow, 569 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: if they tie that back to him, that's very specific. 570 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: Because now you're getting you're getting into DNA, and of 571 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: course that's what everybody wants to know. Are you going 572 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: to find you know, the dad's DNA along with the 573 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: son's DNA in this environment that might be commingled with 574 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: the victim's DNA. There's a lot more I think that 575 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: it is going to be coming about as a result 576 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: of this case. But I do know this. I do 577 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: know that perhaps the greatest gift of all that tiny, 578 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: precious little life faving, It's a gift that never arrived. 579 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks.