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Speaker 1: My grandma and your grandma was sitting by the fire.
Speaker 1: My grandma told your grandma, I'm gonna say funny, you're
Speaker 1: talking about Hina. I like, go on day Jagomo jagmo,
Speaker 1: do culture stuff calling what's happening? Bow? Let me think?
Speaker 1: Is this another episode of Plassical. It's come to me
Speaker 1: it is another episode. Wow, Well then if that's true,
Speaker 1: I'm gagged. I'm so excited you guys. First of all,
Speaker 1: this is the first episode where that we're back after
Speaker 1: our live show. And that was fun. That was so fun,
Speaker 1: and thank you guys, so much for coming. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: million people showed up, one million, I think, Um, I
Speaker 1: think trumps. Yeah, I think Sean Spicer put out a statement.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he actually he had put out a statement
Speaker 1: and said that it didn't happen. And then his cupid's
Speaker 1: bow just fucking just tore in half and his face
Speaker 1: just split. Um, oh my god. That was so fun.
Speaker 1: It was so great and it definitely did happen. And
Speaker 1: you guys can if you haven't, check out the UM
Speaker 1: episodes of the live show and we have today. I
Speaker 1: mean I referred to him as our personal hero. Um.
Speaker 1: I think that's accurate. Um. I was thinking today and
Speaker 1: he's gonna hate this. I think, like, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is solely when I never say ship like this, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh God, like pinch me. Like he's like
Speaker 1: like like he's a friend. Well, it's like when you
Speaker 1: see someone truly brilliant performance, like, you know, you get
Speaker 1: a little baby. Okay, let's look a little a little
Speaker 1: you get a little bit for him. Um, let's let's
Speaker 1: talk about the credits. You know him from Who Lose
Speaker 1: Difficult People. You know FX, and you know him from
Speaker 1: Mozart in the Jungle and you know him from his
Speaker 1: upcoming Joe's Pub show June fourteen. It's called help I'm stuck.
Speaker 1: It sounds wonderful. Run don't walk, guys, please welcome and
Speaker 1: you know what, you open the door wide open immediately
Speaker 1: he ding dong, run up, run down, the clutch the banisters,
Speaker 1: clutch the banisters, also sucking iconic. I don't think so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. I decided if I was gonna
Speaker 1: you either go you either go um frivolous or you
Speaker 1: go real. And if you're gonna go real, better go real.
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to butcher this, but this is
Speaker 1: just one of the best setups and and punchlines executions. Um,
Speaker 1: you gave me ship for playing with you said I
Speaker 1: was too old to play with Barbie dolls. He's sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. This is for people who didn't listen. Cole,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. His mom wanting a relationship
Speaker 1: with him now, and he brought up the fact that
Speaker 1: she said that he was too old to play with barbies,
Speaker 1: and then Cole says, We'll check your back for a
Speaker 1: Mattel label bit because I've outgrown you so good. Thank you,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, thank you. How are you? I'm okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's your stock answer. I've asked you this a lot
Speaker 1: and it's always I'm okay, yeah it is. It is.
Speaker 1: What's going on? Well, you know the rain, the rain,
Speaker 1: it's a little rain in New York. And I was
Speaker 1: talking to a friend of ours, Aaron Jackson, yes, about
Speaker 1: how it's so appropriate to cancel and snow. But you
Speaker 1: kind of need to cancel more so for rain because
Speaker 1: you can you can dust snowflake sauce or I find
Speaker 1: it much easier to walk around and the snow than
Speaker 1: it is when the rain is called is falling down?
Speaker 1: Now are you saying you were very close to canceling
Speaker 1: on us, because no. The reason I brought it up
Speaker 1: is because Aaron had to come over to my house
Speaker 1: and so I felt I felt bad. We're gonna We're
Speaker 1: gonna be Aaron later on tonight. We're gonna go see
Speaker 1: Power Rangers. Um, and we extended invitation to you. But
Speaker 1: it's fine. You have a conflict, it's okay interest, you
Speaker 1: have a comment of interest, recuse yourself from the So also,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize so Cole came in here and he
Speaker 1: removed his coat and let me tell you something. The
Speaker 1: garment that will put it on the blog. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take a picture of it in a little bit and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna stunt everyone. This is great.
Speaker 1: And also I didn't realize it was the date. Look.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I put this on before I even
Speaker 1: knew I was going on the date. Okay, Okay, I
Speaker 1: think it's great. This It's just it's it's like it's
Speaker 1: a red corduroy with It's like it's like red, um,
Speaker 1: what is this? It's like, um, I want to It's
Speaker 1: not denim. It's like faux. I don't know. It's like
Speaker 1: something a lady would wear on an L. L Bean catalog.
Speaker 1: She's like, I have an hour to get somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to say somewhere. It's it's not the right word,
Speaker 1: but I want to say it's like twill something like that. Okay, okay, no, no, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: We're just gonna pitch the materials. And then there's a
Speaker 1: beautiful cordu ry black collar color. And also what a
Speaker 1: nice vibrant color. This is something I'm more I'm very
Speaker 1: into lately. Is just a strong, bold color, Like I'm
Speaker 1: wearing this color. Speaking of bold colors, Um Cole, I'm
Speaker 1: wearing a green flannel. Yes, that's like a great creek.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing green. Cole has been documenting his um new
Speaker 1: apartment and the new horror UM and I just think
Speaker 1: it's so resplendently you what is it described? Described personality? Um?
Speaker 1: Someone called it a dollhouse um, and and others have
Speaker 1: voiced similar and you and I've agreed. Friend of the
Speaker 1: show Aaron Jackson did tell me personally that he went
Speaker 1: over and, Um, you bought like a ceramic cake. It
Speaker 1: was foam. It's foam. It's a fake. It's a prop cake,
Speaker 1: prop cake. Again. I just get these visions and then
Speaker 1: I go, thank God for the Internet, I know, because
Speaker 1: you order at all. I recently did a show and
Speaker 1: I was like, God, where am I going to get
Speaker 1: all these props? Let me tell you they are all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're online. And then um, I recently discovered myself at
Speaker 1: party city like more than once in a week, and
Speaker 1: the girl recognized me and said, do you want to
Speaker 1: open up an account here at party sitting And I
Speaker 1: was like, no, I don't, and you haven't been back no,
Speaker 1: but like I would go back. They have such good
Speaker 1: stuff boas of every color. I realized I now have
Speaker 1: a boet in like every color except yellow, which I
Speaker 1: should get. Was your complexion? A surprised that wasn't the
Speaker 1: first one that you bought. I know, but it goes
Speaker 1: to go so good with my Tampa skin brings out
Speaker 1: your tones absolutely. I was just in Tampa and let
Speaker 1: me tell you, beautiful, beautiful, but I'm also trash. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's part of me. Yeah yeah, Like any any
Speaker 1: time I see like a guy with that like band
Speaker 1: of tattoo around his bicep, It's like a huge positive
Speaker 1: trigger for me. I'm like, I love it crazy, I
Speaker 1: love it Like Jersey Shore was not like wholly disgusting
Speaker 1: to me. It was a little bit hot. Like Poli
Speaker 1: d I was still thinking about like three months ago.
Speaker 1: Holi d haven't thought about him in a while. He
Speaker 1: dated Aubrey O Day from Danity came meeting with the mind.
Speaker 1: What a power couple now, Cole Um, I think things
Speaker 1: are going good in the apartment. This is a new
Speaker 1: so this is a new move. What inspired the move?
Speaker 1: I had roommates and Um one of them was from
Speaker 1: New Zealand. UM he was a gay Christian gamer who
Speaker 1: didn't like cussing. And then there was one weekend he
Speaker 1: was sick and he didn't know what to do, and
Speaker 1: he kept asking for my advice, and and you know
Speaker 1: it sounds like too much, right right, you don't like
Speaker 1: I'm one of those people. If I hear my roommate
Speaker 1: in the kitchen, I'm going to stay in my room
Speaker 1: until they're gone. Or like if if I hear something
Speaker 1: sizzling on the stove, I go, okay, that means his
Speaker 1: back will be turned to me. If his face sneak
Speaker 1: into the shower, yes, but it just got to be
Speaker 1: too much. I'm so sorry. Well, look you can't. You
Speaker 1: cannot live your life in fear. This is something. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Um no, what was his What were his games of choice?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. They were like, um, multiplayer game
Speaker 1: you got is like games that today. Eric Erson and
Speaker 1: I were playing video games. Well, we were playing Super
Speaker 1: Smash Brothers, but we were talking about and I was
Speaker 1: really enjoying myself, and I was saying to myself because
Speaker 1: when I was little, I was a big video games kid,
Speaker 1: Like I had an in sixty four and I loved playing.
Speaker 1: But I liked the cartoonish like Mario stuff like I
Speaker 1: like Donkey Kong. I didn't like it when I got
Speaker 1: to all this like super realistic, violent kind of like craziness,
Speaker 1: Like I'm just not into it. And I never got
Speaker 1: into Hallo. I didn't like like the scary sci fi
Speaker 1: aspect of it. It just kind of frightened me. Sea. Yes,
Speaker 1: I had my Sonic No, but I played there. There
Speaker 1: was a game where you could be the little dot
Speaker 1: from the seven up logo Oh my god and um
Speaker 1: but that sounds like but I didn't. I wasn't really
Speaker 1: good at it, so I never got past the first level.
Speaker 1: So I kind of just jump around the beach that
Speaker 1: you interpreted how to play the video games. I was
Speaker 1: just like, I get to live in this for a
Speaker 1: little while exactly until someone steps on me. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: then we were talking today about like how advanced they
Speaker 1: are in terms of storytelling now and how like they're
Speaker 1: visually beautiful, and I was like, maybe I'll try it again.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll like try to save up for a PS four,
Speaker 1: which I really don't fucking need, and now I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do it, can't you know what, Joe, You're
Speaker 1: right about? Yeah, I don't know what kind of games,
Speaker 1: but I I'm jealous of gay game culture. Sure you
Speaker 1: know you're not. You guys aren't missing much. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: you feel like when you're playing the games like that
Speaker 1: you're wasting time a little bit? Um? But last night
Speaker 1: I flew back in and just too unwind. I put
Speaker 1: on Zelda and in fact, Aaron. This is very in
Speaker 1: Aaron heavy episode. It's just too much. Aaron came over
Speaker 1: last weekend just to watch me play because he's he's
Speaker 1: a big he is an erstwhile game er, I should say, right,
Speaker 1: And he came over because he wanted to re experience
Speaker 1: this nostalgia for watching other people play video games, which
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, sort of a weird sort you know,
Speaker 1: auristic thing that's kind of sick. Yeah, I think we
Speaker 1: should should check on him. We should also not talk
Speaker 1: about him so much. Obviously there's something going on. There's
Speaker 1: something on, and you know, just was I did did
Speaker 1: not did not make the first mention like eventually we're
Speaker 1: going to listen to this and be like, oh we
Speaker 1: should it would become Yeah, he just wanted to come
Speaker 1: over and kind of just watch me do stuff. At first,
Speaker 1: I was just play video games. But then he like
Speaker 1: he stayed after and just kind of see that's interesting
Speaker 1: because I thought I thought I thought that was he
Speaker 1: wanted to watch me cut a piece of bread in half.
Speaker 1: He brought the bread and like this very like flimsy
Speaker 1: plastic knife and he's like, no, no, used that knife
Speaker 1: that I don't know what. And then of course what
Speaker 1: happened happened. Um, if you see Aaron Jackson, you know,
Speaker 1: give him a hug and maybe ask him how he's doing.
Speaker 1: And if you don't see me, um, I'm probably dead.
Speaker 1: Aaron probably killed him. Yeah, Um. Okay, so listen, So
Speaker 1: video game is not really a part of your cultural past,
Speaker 1: but we're about to find out much more. So. We
Speaker 1: asked everyone on our show, what was the culture that
Speaker 1: you saw experienced as a young gun and made you
Speaker 1: say wow, culture is for me. Cola Scola like, I
Speaker 1: want to become a part of this. I'm interested in
Speaker 1: pursuing culture. Yeah, I'm interested in I want to slather
Speaker 1: my frame in culture. What made you want to say that?
Speaker 1: What made you say that? Well, there, I guess when
Speaker 1: I saw the Wizard of Oz. Okay, this is a
Speaker 1: big one for a lot of people. For a lot
Speaker 1: of people, and um, if you have to tune out now, hey, look,
Speaker 1: I forgive you. I'm I'm as tired of talking about
Speaker 1: it as you are you are listening about it. But I, UM,
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with um Billie Burke, Linda, and from
Speaker 1: there I started I I rented like Dinner at Eight
Speaker 1: and like got you know, so it was interesting to
Speaker 1: me that Billy Burke is your takeaway from that and
Speaker 1: not Judy and also secondarily not Margaret Hamilton, like a
Speaker 1: Billy Burke queen. Yeah, yeah, I was crazy. I love
Speaker 1: that character voice. She's fucking gorgeous. Yeah, she's snatched. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's looks good. Yeah, she drops in she's like, no, bitch,
Speaker 1: like what did I tell you? She's like, she's like,
Speaker 1: you didn't tell me, and she's like, oh sorry inconvenience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she was gorgeous. And then I found out like, oh,
Speaker 1: she was fifty at the time and she didn't have
Speaker 1: any hair at that point. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so she
Speaker 1: I was. I was just obsessed with with her. And
Speaker 1: then through that I got into old movies and you know,
Speaker 1: you're Betty Davis, You're Joan Crawford. Okay, so are you
Speaker 1: living for food. Yeah, yeah, and I'm I'm I'm going
Speaker 1: to the They're screening the finale here in New York.
Speaker 1: Oh my God, with Ryan Murphy, jess Oh Strandon. I'm going. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I am so gagged for the show and also
Speaker 1: my new thing because I've been watching Feud and Big
Speaker 1: Little Lies and I am what gets me going is
Speaker 1: just like actresses acting like it's my favorite thing in
Speaker 1: the world. It's it's why I wake up in the morning.
Speaker 1: So I'm in true heaven right now. So I tweeted
Speaker 1: at the actress that plays Pauline assistant yea, so, who's
Speaker 1: amazing And did you know that character is the only
Speaker 1: one not based on a real persons an amalgamation of
Speaker 1: women around the time, which I didn't know until I
Speaker 1: read an interview with her, and I tweeted at her
Speaker 1: like they need to give this woman an Emmy because
Speaker 1: my new thing is being like that performance deserves an Emmy.
Speaker 1: Everything I see. Yeah, I can't get enough. Like now
Speaker 1: my new thing is Robin wigert On. I don't think
Speaker 1: you meet her in episode three. She's so amazing. But
Speaker 1: I tweeted out like like a true gay man, I
Speaker 1: was like, um, can we start the Emmy campaign for Allison? Right?
Speaker 1: She's the unsung hero of this show. And she like
Speaker 1: retweeted it and was like, you heard the fact, you
Speaker 1: heard them, you heard you heard the man, you heard
Speaker 1: those people. The people are talking. It's like one ranting gay.
Speaker 1: Have I encountered Pauline and I'm only an episode two? Yes,
Speaker 1: probably because Pauline is the character that tells Alfred Molina
Speaker 1: and the show you must make whatever happening. She gives
Speaker 1: him the book right right right right, right right right,
Speaker 1: and so that's her. But I mean, I'm all about
Speaker 1: I'm all about her to Hopper, come on, I mean
Speaker 1: where she I mean, she's been in everything. But it's
Speaker 1: also like, what was the last thing, what was the
Speaker 1: last big thing she was in? I'm trying to think, well,
Speaker 1: I played Nancy Reagan. That was probably the last ordsy
Speaker 1: thing that she was in. But she also hates um.
Speaker 1: I've read interviews where she talks about hating American America
Speaker 1: and like Judy Davis, yeah, because she's Australian. Honestly agree.
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't know that. She's like an Australian
Speaker 1: stage actress and she hates like performing for like American audiences.
Speaker 1: I kind of get it. I got it. Somebody was
Speaker 1: saying the other day, Oh, I was watching Girls and
Speaker 1: it was the end of the episode and Lena Dunham
Speaker 1: was talking about there was a big episode that was
Speaker 1: for Elijah. It was Andrew Ynolds like driven episode, which
Speaker 1: was kind of cool, and there's a scene where he
Speaker 1: has to sing for an audition and it's the first
Speaker 1: time we've heard Elijah on the show sing, but we
Speaker 1: all know that Andrew Reynolds fabulous singer and musical theater performer.
Speaker 1: So he like slays this short, short shortcut of let
Speaker 1: Me Be Your Star, and he fucking crushes it. And um.
Speaker 1: Then it's cuts to Marissa Jarrett Winnocher, who's playing the
Speaker 1: casting director, saying yeah, you can stay for the monologue
Speaker 1: and popping open a bag of chips and then just
Speaker 1: like going in these chips and he's like, okay, great.
Speaker 1: And then after the episode, Lena Dunham was saying that
Speaker 1: I guess they they collaborated with him a little bit
Speaker 1: about the episode, and he would talk about how he
Speaker 1: would be doing a book of Mormon, like giving his life,
Speaker 1: and then they would just be people loudly chomping on
Speaker 1: chips like in the first and second row. And that's
Speaker 1: not how you treat like a theatrical experience like The
Speaker 1: World Over there was I saw Hello Dolly. Oh this
Speaker 1: is this is important to this show. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's crucial. I from my I turned to thirty last November,
Speaker 1: thank you. Nothing broke but I And and for my
Speaker 1: birthday I bought a ticket too. I saw the matinee
Speaker 1: of war Paint, and then that night I saw Hello Dolly,
Speaker 1: And then the day after I saw a glass menagerie
Speaker 1: with can you can you spill a little bit about
Speaker 1: all of them? Okay, yeah, here we got all so
Speaker 1: Warpaint it was very confusing because it doesn't know what
Speaker 1: its messages. It was like obviously written before Trump but there,
Speaker 1: but there, It's still about like it's like a love
Speaker 1: story between these two women, like how they were like rivals,
Speaker 1: but their rivalry actually like inspired them to be better
Speaker 1: at what they do. And this is Patty and Christina,
Speaker 1: Patty Lapone and Christina and so and there's one point
Speaker 1: in the show where where Christina ever Saw's character has
Speaker 1: Elizabeth arden Um has a line about how you have
Speaker 1: to stand up to bullies no matter what, and this
Speaker 1: is like taking place right before World War Two, and
Speaker 1: it got like a huge applause from the audience because
Speaker 1: we're like yeah, Trump. And then it goes into this
Speaker 1: musical number about supplying lipstick for our women to like
Speaker 1: look good for the men overseas. So it was this
Speaker 1: huge like blue ball moment of like like oh, yes,
Speaker 1: this is so cathartic and like yes, yes, um, stronger
Speaker 1: to go there few female power and then and then
Speaker 1: like I'll outcome these Rosie the Riveter Chorus girls in
Speaker 1: like sequ like yeah, doing like kicks and like we'll
Speaker 1: look good and pink like like oh just just a yeah.
Speaker 1: And it had a lot of those sort of moments
Speaker 1: where it was like because Patty's characters an immigrant who
Speaker 1: started Helen Helena Rubinstein who started this business, and so
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like almost moments that way too,
Speaker 1: and then it's just like it's Patty amazing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're both. They both give great performances. See I think
Speaker 1: my thing. I saw Patty and Gypsy, as I'm sure
Speaker 1: you did as well. Yes, and um, did you see
Speaker 1: Patty and Gypsy? Didn't instead chose to see Zianna, but
Speaker 1: I saw not to do as well, and I was, yeah, right, um,
Speaker 1: I saw. I thought with Whoopi gold Perk did was
Speaker 1: she on book because I heard there was a lot
Speaker 1: of performances where she was. Second, I thought we were
Speaker 1: still talking about Gypsy and Whoopi Goldberg and Gypsy. But
Speaker 1: I can't imagine I can and I'd rather leave right now.
Speaker 1: The discussed no, but Whoopee was could not have wanted
Speaker 1: to be their least. Oh yeah, she I'm sure she
Speaker 1: was looking at a clock off stage. She was usually
Speaker 1: off by seven. She feeling for Jackie Hoffman. She was
Speaker 1: helling in. Yes, yeah, I mean it makes casting wise,
Speaker 1: it sort of makes sense a little bit. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like well they put it was a real pro which
Speaker 1: was like a dragging around this stage. It was like
Speaker 1: here now watching someone walk their very old dog, you
Speaker 1: know where they're like apologizing like sorry, so I feel
Speaker 1: like it's okay, it's okay. Yeah whatever said. It was
Speaker 1: like that's amazing, Okay, so now talk about because I
Speaker 1: want to ramp up to hell do to us about
Speaker 1: their glass Managerie. It was, um, you know, Tennessee, will
Speaker 1: is so stylized and it's so like it's like poetry, right,
Speaker 1: and so this production is very like like modern and
Speaker 1: so it's just like that. Yeah. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: a bear set and um, I mean there were a
Speaker 1: lot of interesting things, but it's still like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you take that dialogue and then you try to make
Speaker 1: it conversational and it just loses the music. Maybe I'm
Speaker 1: just gay. I don't minimalism, yeah out because no, thank you.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, minimalism, right, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: I'm paid to see a Broadway show, do you think so? Honey?
Speaker 1: Tennessee Williams and you sterilize it and then it's just
Speaker 1: let's just say we went. We want to go see
Speaker 1: Sunset Boulevard and I'll talk about that later. I want
Speaker 1: to go see that with you. We went to go
Speaker 1: see it and it was it was on my birthday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we went to go see it. And let's just say
Speaker 1: I'm saving it for a segment later in the show.
Speaker 1: But but no shade to Glen Close, who's a fun
Speaker 1: and legends. Are you sure? I'm sure? I'm positive. Okay,
Speaker 1: what's your shade with? What's your tea? With Glenn Close?
Speaker 1: I don't have tea with Glenn Close. Look, some of us,
Speaker 1: um like Patty Lapone, Yeah, and some of us, some
Speaker 1: of us have room to love. Both have bad taste.
Speaker 1: I'm guy for Patty. Are you one of those gays
Speaker 1: who watches on a loop the Kennedy Center Honors to
Speaker 1: Barbara Cook? Oh? Um, if you haven't seen it, No,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it because Glenn Close singing losing my mind, yeah,
Speaker 1: and the cut to Anne had the way in tears
Speaker 1: at the yes, it's yeah, we're at that moment. That
Speaker 1: moment had to be like edited from somewhere else like
Speaker 1: that she paid to have it in there, right, sure,
Speaker 1: push um. But but it's so funny to watch Meryl
Speaker 1: watching Glenn Close sing and wondering what what is Merril thinking? Like,
Speaker 1: oh Glenn, oh Glenn. But Meryl was I mean I
Speaker 1: think she was gagged the whole time, but rocking back
Speaker 1: in her yeah yeah yeah. But that night Merrill was
Speaker 1: probably just like laughing and clown because she was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm being honored and I have this fucking pin on
Speaker 1: my little right. Also, it's so so much more boring
Speaker 1: to watch like actors be like oh sure, because singers
Speaker 1: and songwriters. You can watch them do their music right
Speaker 1: for an actor, It's just like when I met Meryl.
Speaker 1: We were on a set of a movie and we
Speaker 1: got close. We haven't talked much since then, but I'll
Speaker 1: never forget it. Although that true, Yeah, not totally unrelated.
Speaker 1: Tracy Alman did do a tribute for Meryl some hilarious
Speaker 1: Oh that was the a f I she talked about
Speaker 1: doing that movie in Africa, and then they were and
Speaker 1: they want to play together and almost crashed and Merril
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is great for my biographer. Like
Speaker 1: Tracy Alman just pulled out a great That was a
Speaker 1: terrible Maryland legend. Streep dies and fiery air disaster. Also
Speaker 1: on board Limy comedian see Pullman is the exact joke.
Speaker 1: I've oh my god, I mean, Tracy Elman, the children
Speaker 1: have forgotten. We're going to do an episode the children
Speaker 1: have forgotten. And the thing is the American children, the
Speaker 1: American children, they need not forget because she's very present.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I just wish that more kids had
Speaker 1: gone to see Into the Woods because it was so
Speaker 1: fucking good. I thought that with it, my wish um
Speaker 1: would be for people for the kids to remember Tracy Ellman,
Speaker 1: she's killing it on her sketch shows too. An HBO
Speaker 1: and HBO is really good to her. Um they are
Speaker 1: the I will say, they do treat her well. She's
Speaker 1: always got a fucking show. She had like a little
Speaker 1: bit part that was really funny Young Girls a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. That's right, it was fun. It was too short,
Speaker 1: but it was way too short. I was like, if
Speaker 1: you're going to give Matthew resent entire episode, let's forge
Speaker 1: write a whole thing for Tracy ellmant please, okay, so glassnaree.
Speaker 1: Then it was fine. It just good. Talks to us
Speaker 1: about Sally Field. Did she give you full drag? She
Speaker 1: gave you screen actress on the stage, which was like good,
Speaker 1: but just like you you just note you realize that, like, oh,
Speaker 1: stage acting is very different, is very different, and I
Speaker 1: kind of wish I was watching a stage. She was
Speaker 1: great and like, just did it right. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: pay good money to the children. Have forgotten Cherry, Cherry,
Speaker 1: you know why, because the children never really got to
Speaker 1: know Cherry. I think we need to we need to
Speaker 1: be celebrating our dikes more. So let's let's please call
Speaker 1: to the stage Cherry Jones, Let's please call to the stage,
Speaker 1: Holland Taylor, Let's call to the stage. Sapolsi's ex girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Imagine that love triangle. I'm not sure it was ever trying. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I want to put him in a movie together, all
Speaker 1: three of them, and watch them burn it up. Put
Speaker 1: those women in the nineteen fifties drama directed by Todd
Speaker 1: Haynes and let Me fucking Die watching. Yes, throw Julianne
Speaker 1: Moore in there too, shine off. I mean, or just
Speaker 1: do a biopic of their their trips. Ryan Murphy Sarah
Speaker 1: Paulson cold, honestly, how meta? And she and she could
Speaker 1: play Cherry if they all if we did a Ryan
Speaker 1: Murphy like the American Horror Story, Hatthy Bates would play
Speaker 1: Cherry Joan thank you, Sarah Paulson would play Holland Taylor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and um fucking s the call pitches to Ryan when
Speaker 1: you go to the party, I will I'll scream from
Speaker 1: It's not it's not a part. It's not like I
Speaker 1: would've been screaming then, you know. It's not like I
Speaker 1: was personally invitent. It was just like I went to
Speaker 1: the premier of season nine of RuPaul's drag race, like
Speaker 1: Rue was there, but it wasn't, Like I just said
Speaker 1: at the table with him and like he bent over
Speaker 1: and asked how I was. It's like things are who
Speaker 1: you are? Who? Then? Are you? Please leave my table?
Speaker 1: I need to get change in my dressing room. Um,
Speaker 1: Hello Dolly? So Hello Dolly? And was that the last
Speaker 1: one you saw? Now? That was the that was the
Speaker 1: middle one, So that probably did that ruin the rest
Speaker 1: of him for you because it must have been, well,
Speaker 1: the the first one was war paint than Hello Dolly
Speaker 1: that night, and it was the feeling that you got
Speaker 1: doing plays in high school, like that good feeling yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: like like remember how exciting it was to be play.
Speaker 1: It was like that feeling, but in the audience just
Speaker 1: like just like watching yeah yeah yeah, Like it brought
Speaker 1: that feeling up of just like you like pretty costumes
Speaker 1: and like whoa, there's a train and that that laid
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah it's Bett Midler and Helloler. She does
Speaker 1: that little scurry walk across the stage at one point.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's going to be impossible to get tickets?
Speaker 1: I mean I think you can still, I would if
Speaker 1: you can, I think you can they're ridiculously expensive and
Speaker 1: nothing's opening up. Well, I fucking we saw Glenn close
Speaker 1: for like and the Nose Bleeds though. Okay, okay, but
Speaker 1: here's the thing. So Henry and I were in London
Speaker 1: like ten months ago and she was doing it there
Speaker 1: and it was a whole different story, like you could
Speaker 1: not get a seat. And then someone reminded me, you
Speaker 1: will know she did this part and probably already, like
Speaker 1: kind of people have already seen it. So a lot
Speaker 1: of people that would have been really excited about it,
Speaker 1: I have already seen it in New York or if
Speaker 1: they didn't, they fucking went to London to see it,
Speaker 1: like they made sure they've done seen Glenn Cloves already
Speaker 1: do Sunset Boulevard, and so it's not as exciting. I
Speaker 1: think it's maybe more for her and lo KEI. We
Speaker 1: were in like the fifth mezzanine and it was pretty empty.
Speaker 1: It was it was it was not turn out. So
Speaker 1: but and this is I just want to mention this
Speaker 1: before we move on. Glenn's entrance was from like the
Speaker 1: top tier of the stage and so you couldn't see her.
Speaker 1: So people started plotting and then we and then Aaron
Speaker 1: me Aaron, Henry and Matt are just like, oh, what's
Speaker 1: going on? Oh we're plotting Glenn's feet like it's right,
Speaker 1: like that's the entrance, right. She had like after with
Speaker 1: one look, she got a standing ovation after as if
Speaker 1: we never standing ovation. Then she came out for four
Speaker 1: count of four curtain calls, which is on the low end.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, we only asked, but four is
Speaker 1: on them. Because I hear that the averages six. She
Speaker 1: wouldn't get off. She wouldn't get off. And then what
Speaker 1: I was doing, I was saying, probably what's going on
Speaker 1: is like because every time she would come back on,
Speaker 1: the lead actor would come on as well, and I
Speaker 1: was like, probably she's getting off, and then being like
Speaker 1: okay now and this time I'll just it'll just be me,
Speaker 1: and then he just follows her every time we got
Speaker 1: to do it again and it's it's just me. I
Speaker 1: don't want to do flour but like I will if
Speaker 1: you don't stop doing what you're doing right right. There
Speaker 1: was none of that with miss Bett calls. The bet
Speaker 1: take just the one like like the one with your
Speaker 1: company and then the one by herself and like you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, like a huge ovation when she entered.
Speaker 1: You know it's bad, Ian, come on, it's and and
Speaker 1: everyone in the cast is so fucking good. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Um Gavin creel Um. This this actor Taylor Trench, who
Speaker 1: is I think he's going to get a tony I think,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, he was. Um Um Blake Dan. He and
Speaker 1: Blake Daniel dated for a friend of the show. Hello
Speaker 1: Dolly Is has a very special place in my heart.
Speaker 1: It was like one of the first live musicals I
Speaker 1: ever saw, and it just fell in love with the
Speaker 1: form of musical musical truly. I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is and it was a well done high school production
Speaker 1: of it. The worst thing what There was a drunk
Speaker 1: woman next to me, and there was who kept like
Speaker 1: going what no, um and not not even clapping, just
Speaker 1: like waving her hand. Yes exactly. It was that. And
Speaker 1: then there was behind me a senile old man with
Speaker 1: his adult daughter who clearly this daughter was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this dad used to love this show. I'll take him
Speaker 1: to see Hello Dolly. He had no idea where he was.
Speaker 1: He was talking the whole time, like singing. He kept
Speaker 1: singing Hello Dolly like during like ribbons down my back,
Speaker 1: like even though he would sing Hello Dolly, and then
Speaker 1: he kept trying to make out with her his daughter No, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I could just hear all this going on behind me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, please made so much money for
Speaker 1: this ticket for my birthday, but the show what is
Speaker 1: your birthday? No? Okay, so you bought it back then? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: right when it went on, saying yeah, yeah, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make that my mission because I like, I gotta,
Speaker 1: I really want to see you should also go back
Speaker 1: and see Donna Murphy when she does it on Tuesdays?
Speaker 1: Does see Donna Donna Murphy stepping on Tuesdays two days
Speaker 1: after it opens? Yeah? Would pay good when you see
Speaker 1: and you know he just died. Oh that's that's tragic.
Speaker 1: You know what, you're not a part of this community
Speaker 1: at all. I have some respect trauma trauma. Okay, Wow,
Speaker 1: he's never been this vocal. Who knew it would take
Speaker 1: us attacking his gay credentials? Yea, oh my god, Donna Murphy,
Speaker 1: Donna Murphy. Although you know what, I will say this
Speaker 1: not a Tangled fan, but we'll often listen to mother
Speaker 1: Knows Best Ticket from your Mumsy Scar. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: It has that movie has one of the best villain reprises.
Speaker 1: Knows love villain. Yeah, like Ursula deserved a poor Unfortunate
Speaker 1: Souls reprise? She got one, did she. I think there's
Speaker 1: an element of the song that not in the film,
Speaker 1: not in the movie. I don't know. I think that
Speaker 1: there was something. Now you know what fact checkers get
Speaker 1: on this. I don't think it's there anyway. Wait, what
Speaker 1: would how would I have gone? It would have been
Speaker 1: like true, I had legs and I'm getting my voice.
Speaker 1: I don't know how Wait, no, she does? She does
Speaker 1: with Vanessa. When she's Vanessa, doesn't she cackle and then
Speaker 1: like sing a line as Vanessa? I know it's she
Speaker 1: like starts cackling, and then the necklace starts to glow,
Speaker 1: and then her form changes into Vanessa and it's just
Speaker 1: her laughing and laughing and laugh. No, no, no, she
Speaker 1: does have a little bit of a song as she
Speaker 1: transforms into Vanessa. Because there's a part where it goes
Speaker 1: from pack you're right here, right, it's packed two. It's
Speaker 1: when she's human and she's in the palace and she's
Speaker 1: looking in a mirror and her reflection is I can't enough.
Speaker 1: Whoever decided to name that character of Vanessa. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: how I com like the evil version that the evil
Speaker 1: hot version of no Vanessa, like I can I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't think this happened, but in my mind there
Speaker 1: was a moment when I watched it and hearing her
Speaker 1: name Vanessa, thinking thank you, like like yes, unaware game,
Speaker 1: We're like that feels right? Yeah? Waitum did pat Carol?
Speaker 1: That's the way I would imagine that she must think
Speaker 1: she might still be alive. Airplane moment, but you would
Speaker 1: be surprised. Who's alive? Glenn's John's is alive? Who is familiar?
Speaker 1: Um sending the clown the original st Night music? And
Speaker 1: she also played I first. Oh, this is another like
Speaker 1: culture moment. Birth moment for me was the movie Superstar.
Speaker 1: At one point, Glennis John's, who plays her grandmother, is
Speaker 1: watching the movie of Gypsy and I was like twelve,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I need to see that movie.
Speaker 1: And so then I did like detective work, like like
Speaker 1: there's you can hear one song of one line of
Speaker 1: Everything's coming up roses and I found the musical based
Speaker 1: on that and you watched it at a young young age.
Speaker 1: See that was me with um, I've talked about this
Speaker 1: funny girl. My mom loved Barbara streis And, and we actually,
Speaker 1: Sudy and I saw her in concert, like I love
Speaker 1: Barbara deeply and that was like the night. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: did go the same night. Yeah, so and it was awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but also that that concert got ruined for me by
Speaker 1: the conservative woman who sat behind me, who was screaming,
Speaker 1: I heard a shut up about politics. At this point,
Speaker 1: you have to know you came to a Barbara streis
Speaker 1: And concert in the middle of the biggest election of
Speaker 1: all time, Like, what the fund did you think? She's
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn? Right? But she was incredible and um so
Speaker 1: relaxed and funny girl to me, one of the most
Speaker 1: iconic performances. But it's so weird how we find those things, right,
Speaker 1: Like what a tangential way you to get to arrive
Speaker 1: at that, because you expect when people sort of toss
Speaker 1: off these references and these like you yeah yeah, like
Speaker 1: these movies that it's like, oh, of course you very
Speaker 1: organically found it, but it's like it very rarely ever
Speaker 1: works out the way. I have a question. Okay, so
Speaker 1: what's the best live performance you've ever seen? Oh? I
Speaker 1: know my answer, I have an answered. It's very basic
Speaker 1: what I have. It's I probably have a different answer,
Speaker 1: but like just on the criteria, the criteria of live performance, UM,
Speaker 1: Beyonce Information World Tour, and it's very blew my mind.
Speaker 1: That was see, I was thinking in a more theatrical space.
Speaker 1: So then that's a different because you know what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure when I saw her do her for performance
Speaker 1: at roseland that was unbelievable. But I was thinking, I
Speaker 1: remember when I was young. I was like eleven or
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve, thirteen years old, um, and we went
Speaker 1: to the city, came in from the Long Island, and
Speaker 1: we went to the t KTS booth to get like
Speaker 1: cheap tickets to something. And this was right after Sutton
Speaker 1: Foster had wanted Tony. Yeah, and so I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: it throwing modern And she was the like name over
Speaker 1: Drowsy Chaperon. So we got tickets to see the preview
Speaker 1: of Drowsy Chaperon and she gagged the house down. There's
Speaker 1: a number called show Off. Yeah yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1: It was a feat. You know. I'm I'm friends with
Speaker 1: Lisa Lambert who wrote the lyrics. She's fantastic, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: And she when I was in Toronto. She that's where
Speaker 1: she wrote the show, and she was like, I wanted
Speaker 1: to want me to show you the house where I
Speaker 1: wrote show off. Oh my god, Oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: on the website. That number. That number is incredible and
Speaker 1: like it's truly it's so funny because I love that.
Speaker 1: I love that, Like no, I'm I'm like ignorant to
Speaker 1: my own talent comedy. Yeah, it's so good. It's just
Speaker 1: so stocked. But like when someone can really fucking nail it,
Speaker 1: and my god, Sutton Foster is she's believable. Like wow,
Speaker 1: I just I can't think of like it was in
Speaker 1: the same room. But I will regularly watch seven Foster's
Speaker 1: rehearsal if anything goes Yeah, she's where she just fucking
Speaker 1: tap dances for ten minutes straight. Um Cole, uh what
Speaker 1: about you? Um? Ellen Green a Little Shop concert at
Speaker 1: City Center because did you guys see it? No? I
Speaker 1: didn't see it, but like I mean like talk about
Speaker 1: like ovation for like every line reading, and she was
Speaker 1: like ripping her heart out, everyone's hearts out. Like the
Speaker 1: whole audience was like respectful, reverential and and gagging and gagging.
Speaker 1: He was great. He was good enough, but not like competing,
Speaker 1: and it was like he let her like have all
Speaker 1: her moments like she would like she would. She would
Speaker 1: take ten minutes for one word, and the whole audience
Speaker 1: would be like, take take your time, your time, and
Speaker 1: that's amazing. Yeah, it was like it was one of
Speaker 1: those things where like I had to like instead of
Speaker 1: going to the closest train, I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: walk like a few stops because I got to this
Speaker 1: out let this think in. But every time I've seen
Speaker 1: Beyonce I walked after. I was like, I gotta walk that,
Speaker 1: but I take it. What was so fucking crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was my go too. And now I'm blanking
Speaker 1: them like a theatrical performance. But we'll get back to her. Well.
Speaker 1: You know, I actually saw Patty in Gypsy Too and
Speaker 1: Gypsy to Gypsy or Mama's Revenge Revenge, But I saw
Speaker 1: her do like a matinee of the show, and I
Speaker 1: was in the way back and I think she marked
Speaker 1: her ship, but I don't know not to come for Patty.
Speaker 1: She fucking is amazing, but she is marking no. But
Speaker 1: and you know what it was like ones day where
Speaker 1: she had to do the show again later, and I
Speaker 1: think I might have gotten like the reserved version of Mama.
Speaker 1: And also, I have to be honest, like from a
Speaker 1: young age, I probably every single day watched the Bernade
Speaker 1: Peters Tony Awards performance, and that is, to me, one
Speaker 1: of the best performances ever. Have you seen the clips
Speaker 1: of Angela doing it? No, there's like clips, like, of
Speaker 1: course they didn't have that, like the technology to like
Speaker 1: film the whole thing secretly then, but there are like
Speaker 1: enough clips. There's a clip of her roses turn like
Speaker 1: the tail end of it, and it's like, we'll put
Speaker 1: it on the website. Put on the website the way
Speaker 1: back to Bed. That's pretty iconic too. Yeah. Yeah, for me,
Speaker 1: it's like, um, Patty unfortunately fifth place, fourth place, Um,
Speaker 1: I give it to Bed, third place, emmel To Staunton
Speaker 1: second place, Burnadette first place. Chris Colfer on Glee, The
Speaker 1: definitive roses turn leave is Emelda is is peasant? Is
Speaker 1: very Oh my god. Someone before before the performance started,
Speaker 1: someone said, Emelda, here's your inspiration dog food And she's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: she's disgusting. I hate all her choices. She's cheap and
Speaker 1: she's vulgar. Okay, so did you just see the performance
Speaker 1: of Roses Turned or did you just see did you
Speaker 1: I saw the whole thing? You didn't? Well because it
Speaker 1: was they filmed it um and it's awful. Here's yeah,
Speaker 1: well she's she's awful. She's Did you like Vera Drake?
Speaker 1: I did, but again that's a common woman. Did you
Speaker 1: know she plays a peasant. She's a peasant. She was
Speaker 1: the perfect Unbridge Harry Potter your she was an incredible
Speaker 1: Unbridge and not I missed the boat on hair worries,
Speaker 1: but she was great. I was just the wrong age.
Speaker 1: I have a question for you. Cole school was going
Speaker 1: on vacation. Where do you go? What do you do?
Speaker 1: You know it's my dream too. I've never really taken
Speaker 1: myself on a vacation. I want to go to Switzerland.
Speaker 1: Oh great. I want to just be in the mountains
Speaker 1: and go on the balcony and have my coffee every
Speaker 1: morning and look at the Alps, you look at the
Speaker 1: opps Land and Zurich and just just have fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want to go down to the desk and be like,
Speaker 1: can you recommend a nice place for lunch? And they
Speaker 1: and then I walk there and I passed a farm
Speaker 1: with some cows. The win of Europe is very bad.
Speaker 1: It's like, where should I go? And while I'm getting there,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop and enjoy because you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: in a place I'm almost I'm almost too young for
Speaker 1: the trip I want to take, like I want very
Speaker 1: much like um a Geraldine Page tripped a bound a
Speaker 1: full moment. You know, yes, I do like just like
Speaker 1: arms crossed, lace gloves. You know, have you ever been
Speaker 1: to Disney World? I haven't, but I have. I recently
Speaker 1: went to Disneyland. I'm happy that you know how the
Speaker 1: different it is. I do know how different it is. Um.
Speaker 1: It was smaller than I remembered it because I went
Speaker 1: as a twelve year old and it was a lot
Speaker 1: less antique. Yeah, antique. Twelve was an interesting age to
Speaker 1: go for the first time. Well, I was obsessed with
Speaker 1: Disney when I was a child. That was another like
Speaker 1: gay culture thing I love, but I loved like. I
Speaker 1: would stay up and watch Vault Disney, which was the
Speaker 1: Disney channel at eleven PM, would show all their old
Speaker 1: It was like Nick at Night, but for the Disney Channel.
Speaker 1: So I would watch all those in net Funicello, Hayley
Speaker 1: Mills movies and so um. Anyway, I was so excited
Speaker 1: to be in Disneyland when I was twelve and um
Speaker 1: like had like got a picture with every princess. Um
Speaker 1: wore the same Disneyland sweatshirt like every day. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a thing. It's a different thing when you're obviously and
Speaker 1: this is it, I think, so um yeah, I'm still
Speaker 1: get for it. Cool. I would I would encourage you
Speaker 1: to mind about disney World Okay, not even disney World
Speaker 1: Universal Studios okay, because you, I think would appreciate Harry
Speaker 1: Potter World even though I love a world and then
Speaker 1: you can get your worlds. Yeah, I love I love
Speaker 1: a different like put me in it. I remember I
Speaker 1: went to flint Stone Land when I was little. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: this was in Canada. We had relatives there and it
Speaker 1: was one of the more traumatizing memories because I we
Speaker 1: were on the bus. There were no characters about except
Speaker 1: for when we were on this bus going around. I
Speaker 1: saw Betty rubble out like taking photos. I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna say, smoking a cigarette on a cigarette No, but um,
Speaker 1: I really wanted but they wouldn't stop the bus for
Speaker 1: me to get off, and then I was crying and
Speaker 1: then the bus driver like made a joke about it
Speaker 1: and everyone laughed at me. That motherfucker that sucks. Did
Speaker 1: you feel something changed inside you and then you were gay? No?
Speaker 1: I felt I felt like I felt like that moment
Speaker 1: everyone was telling me, like, you're gay. You need to
Speaker 1: pull it back. When you flash back to those moments
Speaker 1: when you realize, oh wait, that thing that I remember
Speaker 1: that was traumatizing, there was a there was a your
Speaker 1: gay element. Yeah. Yeah, it was like it was like
Speaker 1: we don't talk about that, Like you can like Betty
Speaker 1: Rubble at home, but when you're out, you like Fred Okay.
Speaker 1: I sat on Santa's lap and asked for a barbie
Speaker 1: and he said, you want what you want to barbie.
Speaker 1: Boys don't get barbies. Santa Claus said that to me,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, do you remember when McDonald's would have
Speaker 1: hot wheels and barbies and you would have to go
Speaker 1: through the drive through and be like, mom um, I
Speaker 1: want the girl toy and then and then your mom
Speaker 1: would have to be like, can we get one happy
Speaker 1: with the boy toy and one with the girl toy?
Speaker 1: And just like act like that was like an accident
Speaker 1: somehow like what mom but talking about? And I guess
Speaker 1: I mean I have a few of the other ones.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I already have my sister who doesn't exist exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, our moms were our original hags. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn Um, okay, so we do have to take
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Speaker 1: and we're back with Cole of School. Uh okay, so
Speaker 1: now okay, let's get into it. Cole. Are you a
Speaker 1: Betty or a Joan? Because I know who I am? Well,
Speaker 1: you know what? Um, oh my god, this is so hard.
Speaker 1: How much time to a ten seconds? Oh god? I
Speaker 1: mean Betty Betty? But there are so many things about
Speaker 1: Joan that like, are so much more fascinating because she, honestly,
Speaker 1: she's a more interesting character because she is so self
Speaker 1: conscious and so like self hating and so scared that
Speaker 1: every reason, for every reason, and and there's so many
Speaker 1: more facets to that than Betty, who's just like always
Speaker 1: like she came out of the womb who she was,
Speaker 1: you know, always brash, always, Yeah, do you have a
Speaker 1: very positive opinion of the show. Yes, yeah, I'm loving it.
Speaker 1: I'm loving it. I'm sort of like I feel like
Speaker 1: we um are like it was a mistake, Like how
Speaker 1: did Like there's like there's too many stars aligned right right,
Speaker 1: like like why do we get this? Like this isn't
Speaker 1: like like I feel like we we're gonna like be
Speaker 1: taxed at the end of the year when yeah, remember
Speaker 1: when you had to check gay last year. Well, this
Speaker 1: year you're being you're paying for it, and you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I would pay for that if that's where
Speaker 1: my tax money is going to. Yeah, yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 1: Like I trusted him with my money more than maybe
Speaker 1: anyone else. Yeah. Um, I'm really obsessed with it and
Speaker 1: I'm loving it, and I really it was very hard,
Speaker 1: but I'm sucking living for surrandom in this Surrandon's great
Speaker 1: and drove me nuts during the elections, but a man,
Speaker 1: she's I think she's perfectly suited to me too. God damnit,
Speaker 1: Joan you good? Yeah, wow, solid impression. Yeah when you're good, Joan,
Speaker 1: God damn it, jo good. Jessica Lange had this really
Speaker 1: funny line reading in this last one, and I can't
Speaker 1: remember the exact words. I remember the weird word choice
Speaker 1: she made, but it was like where she was slamming
Speaker 1: her dressing room door, it was some line about how
Speaker 1: Glorious Swanson deserved It wasn't you who was robbed the
Speaker 1: nineteen six two, It was Gloria Swanson. No, but and
Speaker 1: then she goes it was Gloria Swanson you bed. It
Speaker 1: was that weird inflection, honestly, And also just like everything
Speaker 1: about the show, it's just like drenched in like authentic
Speaker 1: like set design, the art direction's fabulous, it really is.
Speaker 1: And also all the supporting cast act do we need
Speaker 1: do we can? We talk about Katherine Zada Jones and
Speaker 1: Kathy Bases. We're the worst part of the show. I
Speaker 1: think we don't need we don't need them because all
Speaker 1: they do is tell us what just happened and like
Speaker 1: what's about to happen. But to be fair, to be fair,
Speaker 1: I'm twoes two episodes behind. But I feel like it's
Speaker 1: like they don't do anything different, and also that it's
Speaker 1: not it's not driving anything, but I think it's I
Speaker 1: think it's also just a nice stylistic choice of Ryan
Speaker 1: Murphy to be like, Okay, well, then there's just like frame,
Speaker 1: like it's it's like a pretty little lie. It's like
Speaker 1: a big little lies where it's where it's like the
Speaker 1: interview the towns people, it's like you don't mean it,
Speaker 1: but it's also like a nice framing device that is
Speaker 1: not totally functional, but that is functional, like the framing
Speaker 1: device and Big Little Lies is like it's like it's
Speaker 1: like but it's also functional because it's a police investigation,
Speaker 1: so it's real where this is like a documentary about
Speaker 1: them then because they're the same age and that's what happened. Also,
Speaker 1: they're both so bad. Yeah I think she's so bad. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's so she's and I think she's really talented. Like
Speaker 1: I've lived for her in Chicago, and I've lived for
Speaker 1: her so many times. She's so bad in this part,
Speaker 1: and so is Kathy Bates. And also Kathy Bates killed
Speaker 1: in um like con Covin, and like she's killed so
Speaker 1: many times in her career. But she's not always good
Speaker 1: in these the Ryan Murphy shows, Oh god, that can.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe the best thing that we've ever gotten
Speaker 1: from Ryan Murphy is Kathy Bates's accent in Philadelphia Czar
Speaker 1: a show where he just replicates that healthy accent. Um know,
Speaker 1: the worst part of Feud is Kiernan Ship. She's not
Speaker 1: the worst part, absolutely, she's the worst part. She's like
Speaker 1: just yeah, she's just too you just don't like her
Speaker 1: as an actress. She she's overcamping it. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that, but it's like it's not it's not a
Speaker 1: match with But this last episode I think was the
Speaker 1: best episode yet. Um So I agree because now that
Speaker 1: the filming of Baby Jane is over, like this is
Speaker 1: the actual like now it's where, I guess really interesting
Speaker 1: because so basically for those that I watched on the
Speaker 1: show are like just to where we're at right now.
Speaker 1: If you're listening to it at a at a certain
Speaker 1: time like in the series, right now filming is over,
Speaker 1: they just well the end of the episode and is
Speaker 1: like Joan Crawford finds out she was not nominated for
Speaker 1: Best Actress and historically yes, Betty Davis was, and that's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. That's gonna lead to a certain event happening.
Speaker 1: That's like what this whole thing is about. But it's
Speaker 1: so fascinating Joan Crawford. She couldn't enjoy success. She was
Speaker 1: someone who constantly almost like out of fear, like would
Speaker 1: rather live in a place of failure and self hatred
Speaker 1: despite the fact that this was a huge success, Like
Speaker 1: she gets this taste of happy when the fans are
Speaker 1: really enjoying it and it's this like camp success. But
Speaker 1: then when the actual critics post their reviews and like
Speaker 1: give their notices, Betty Davis gets all the love and
Speaker 1: all the attention, and Joan Crawford is like, you know,
Speaker 1: when they're screening the movie and then and then Joan
Speaker 1: comes out of the theater and everyone's like, it's Joan,
Speaker 1: It's Joan Crawford. I cried. I cried, I cried. I
Speaker 1: was like, well, then Ryan, it was. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: But then just like what an amazing character examination like,
Speaker 1: and I'm it's now kind of like it feels like, yes,
Speaker 1: the more interesting story is happening with Joan Crawford, because
Speaker 1: I think she was just a more fascinating, harder to
Speaker 1: crack person, And I'm wondering if he's going to try
Speaker 1: to like push those stakes up a little bit with
Speaker 1: the Betty Davis character as well, because we really haven't
Speaker 1: seen her like struggle. In fact, it's very easy to
Speaker 1: be on her side because you get that Betty Davis
Speaker 1: just wanted to go there and do the work and
Speaker 1: creative peace, um, which is easier to sympathize with. And
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if now we're going to see the kind
Speaker 1: of Joan Crawford like the Mastermind, like and we're going
Speaker 1: to really feel for Betty and then when when what
Speaker 1: happens happened? Right? Oh yeah, yeah, but we'll see. I
Speaker 1: think the show is fabulous. It's suspiciously good. It's what
Speaker 1: Coal was saying, it's suspiciously good. Yeah, I'm I'm never
Speaker 1: on board for rhein M. I feel like like we
Speaker 1: are like like putting on our mom's dresses and at
Speaker 1: any moment she's going to come in and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's doing Never, we're gonna have to explain ourselves, Like
Speaker 1: someone's going to come in and be like, what is
Speaker 1: this show? And we're gonna have to be like, it's nothing.
Speaker 1: We were just playing around with your actresses. We're sorry,
Speaker 1: like you can have them back her line reading she's
Speaker 1: I think Jessica lying is killing it, just like and
Speaker 1: also when Betty Davis goes, god damnit, Joan, you good?
Speaker 1: And then John Cofford goes really think so and it's
Speaker 1: like yeah. On YouTube there is Joan Crawford reading her
Speaker 1: autobiography My Way of Life, which is sort of like
Speaker 1: a how to guide of like how to live, like
Speaker 1: the original Blake Lively, g One of Paltrow, exactly the
Speaker 1: group of that time. And you should I highly recommend
Speaker 1: going on to YouTube and searching Joan Crawford My Way
Speaker 1: of Life. We'll put it on the box, put it
Speaker 1: on the block. It's gonna be a rich post exists. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you should. You should have a tumbler and post related pick. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, we should have was a fucking Facebook page.
Speaker 1: We didn't even have that. We need to get that
Speaker 1: ship together. And I made one a few months ago
Speaker 1: when I was drunk, and there's three people who like
Speaker 1: it anyway. Okay, well I didn't know what exists? Yeah,
Speaker 1: um who knows? Okay, So okay, So Joan Crawford has this,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just it's just you're just
Speaker 1: talking about You're just giving a signal boost. Yes, so
Speaker 1: whatever happened to baby? Did like one of your faves?
Speaker 1: Actually not really, what did you like? I Mildred? I
Speaker 1: do like Mildred, But I actually prefer jones earlier stuff
Speaker 1: where she was like young and hungry and played like I.
Speaker 1: I recently went into a place where I was watching
Speaker 1: her silent movies, like are Dancing Daughters? Is this one
Speaker 1: where she plays like a flapper and and they're all
Speaker 1: about like how she's a flapper and has this immoral
Speaker 1: life style and everyone looks down on her, and then
Speaker 1: she makes some grave sacrifice and ends up like giving
Speaker 1: up the man she loves because she doesn't want him
Speaker 1: to marry a marked woman because she like was engaged
Speaker 1: to someone else. So, um, I'm sorry, Yeah, some some
Speaker 1: deep stories. Well yeah, they you know, this was before
Speaker 1: the Haze code where they were you know, you know
Speaker 1: all these I don't know how old the fan bases
Speaker 1: out there, but there was something in the in the
Speaker 1: in their thirties and the later thirties on code, and
Speaker 1: that's when movies had to like to a moral standard
Speaker 1: and like bad guys had to have their come up ins,
Speaker 1: which is why in movies like The Letter Um the
Speaker 1: Betty Davis movie, in the play version, she gets away
Speaker 1: with the murder, but in in the movie like she
Speaker 1: has to pay for it at the very end. So
Speaker 1: do you think that like this was like you got
Speaker 1: you got really like kind of obsessed with these kind
Speaker 1: of movies And it absolutely definitely informed like the kind
Speaker 1: of characters you play in the work you see. I
Speaker 1: feel the same because, like I find that the kind
Speaker 1: of character that I gravitate towards her, like some people,
Speaker 1: like like girls that I idolized growing up, which was
Speaker 1: like honestly like Alicia Silverstone, Like I'm from Long Island,
Speaker 1: so I saw her and I was like, yeah, what's
Speaker 1: the deal with that? I was like what there? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like hot young girls like in like in high school
Speaker 1: that took themselves so seriously, Like that never stopped being
Speaker 1: fascinated to me, and that really shows up still on
Speaker 1: the stuff that I do. So it's fascinating to hear that,
Speaker 1: Like that's like a real oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: you drop back to that you intrapolate or whatever, like
Speaker 1: you you imprint on something at a young age and
Speaker 1: it never really goes away. I mean, I mean Cole
Speaker 1: Cole is the pre eminent master of that. I agree.
Speaker 1: You also do that theater director character. Oh Diane, Diane,
Speaker 1: did you ever know Liz Suados? Have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of her. I've heard that name. Yeah, she was a
Speaker 1: theater director. She passed away a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: but that I worked with her, and I thought, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I wanted he knows Liz Suados because she
Speaker 1: was like a la mama, like real presence like on
Speaker 1: the in the downtown, like um, you know, lowery side.
Speaker 1: Like she wrote the show Runaways. It was a Tony
Speaker 1: nominated back in the day, and she kind of like
Speaker 1: ended up working with young kids and like just the
Speaker 1: way that you behave is that character is Liz down
Speaker 1: to the wig that like kind of like stringy, stringy,
Speaker 1: like blacked out like like like kind of like I
Speaker 1: don't care about this, but of course I do, like
Speaker 1: I know exactly the way I look, but like you
Speaker 1: don't think. So yeah. She started based on like and
Speaker 1: every you know, like community theater elders that like that
Speaker 1: just were so full of lore and like you were
Speaker 1: there for it and like and and like that's what
Speaker 1: can happen if you don't put your prop down in
Speaker 1: the right place, like and just like telling you these
Speaker 1: stories as if they were like ghost stories, like just
Speaker 1: you know, like but then but the lore meanwhile was
Speaker 1: like not even that, no, no, no, no. It was
Speaker 1: always like and if you don't we did not have
Speaker 1: the basket of grapes for our town Square sequence, and
Speaker 1: I kid you not. We had six actors out there
Speaker 1: that we're all looking at each other, what what are
Speaker 1: we doing? But what you don't know is the audience
Speaker 1: is looking to you for what to do and you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: like you just and they didn't feel safe right therefore, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so real. Also, ill never forget a character you
Speaker 1: played at your show, Um Ethnic Realness one. It was
Speaker 1: downstairs at the pitch Jennifer Convertible Your character of Jennifer
Speaker 1: Convertibles was very good, and thank you. Thanks, I'm glad
Speaker 1: that was a positive memory. An amazing and amazing black outline.
Speaker 1: This whole it's this whole soapy drama sequence about Jennifer Convertibles,
Speaker 1: UM owner. I guess and you can correct me, of
Speaker 1: the Jennifer Convertibles Empire, and she saw she she she
Speaker 1: ends up like solving this like plot to like I
Speaker 1: guess kill her and the and the last line is
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Speaker 1: what I thought was it was Ashley Home furniture had
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Speaker 1: shaker that I was going to get caught that, like
Speaker 1: I was going to say something wrong, you know. That
Speaker 1: was that was like one of the first primordial tests
Speaker 1: for you as absolutely did you always perform? Um? Like
Speaker 1: there was this um traveling troop called Missoula Children's Theater. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think I've heard of them. It was like two
Speaker 1: actors that would put a show on in a week,
Speaker 1: um rehearse and then the shows would be on the
Speaker 1: weekends and um. Up until I was like twelve, I
Speaker 1: I did those shows every year. UM. And I would
Speaker 1: cry every time the act the professional actors left town
Speaker 1: because they became like a little I was like, there
Speaker 1: goes the only thing that made me happy all year,
Speaker 1: you know, And where are they now? Where are they
Speaker 1: now still doing it? Doing it still? Rapunzel Hansel and Gretel.
Speaker 1: I mean, and then you know community theater of course,
Speaker 1: high school theater. What role? Okay, have you talked about
Speaker 1: this in previously. I'm happy to rehash roles roles in
Speaker 1: high schools. See, I actually didn't perform until I was
Speaker 1: in college. Really yeah, I didn't. I didn't you show
Speaker 1: choir chuir nothing. I was very deeply in the closet
Speaker 1: and I did. I did track and feel across country.
Speaker 1: But this is the remark for you that man is
Speaker 1: that once that once he was liberated into that sphere. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's just this depth of knowledge just walked into place.
Speaker 1: I was always sitting there, like doing my research, like
Speaker 1: when I was, when I was, when I was closed.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to describe that in like
Speaker 1: a cool way, but like I was never into like
Speaker 1: the second I got to be by myself, I was
Speaker 1: like listening to like Margaret Show's stand up albums. So
Speaker 1: it was like I was a single white female, like
Speaker 1: single white gay male, like like you were just wait,
Speaker 1: you were like stalking the version of yourself you wanted
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. I mean, like it was it was very
Speaker 1: that it was like you know, one day I'll be
Speaker 1: able to tell someone that I have this Sandra Bernhardt
Speaker 1: album memorized, but until then I can't be funny. Is
Speaker 1: the reason I came out is because I wanted to
Speaker 1: rent Queer as Folk from Hollywood Video um. And then
Speaker 1: I also wanted to buy Judy Garland's Carnegie Hall album,
Speaker 1: like I had other albums of hers. But I was like,
Speaker 1: for some reason in my head, I was like, if
Speaker 1: I buy the Carnegie Hall album, people will know I'm gay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I just have to come out and then I
Speaker 1: can get those two things. Yeah, and those kind of
Speaker 1: things like that doesn't go away. Like every now and
Speaker 1: then I'll just be like I'll find like this little
Speaker 1: creeping thing in my brain where it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: don't say that too gay to say right now, And
Speaker 1: it's like, oh wow, but that's what I want to say.
Speaker 1: And you know what, there are a lot of people
Speaker 1: who don't think at all like with that right that
Speaker 1: that comes up for me, Like when I'm dealing with
Speaker 1: cashiers that are like straight guys, I find myself being like, nope,
Speaker 1: that's yet, deepening your voice normal, like as few syllables
Speaker 1: as possible, Like I call every straight man brother, thank you.
Speaker 1: It's really good to see your brother do it all
Speaker 1: the time. And you know what, I hate myself all
Speaker 1: the time. You know who I do it with all
Speaker 1: the time? Friend just In yea who I love. I've
Speaker 1: worked with for several years. And Cole's good friends with
Speaker 1: He's like a you know, beautiful straight boy and like
Speaker 1: he's become a good friend. Um, and I'll just be like, dude, bro,
Speaker 1: yeah that's you know what, that's a friend of the show.
Speaker 1: Friend of the show. Guy brandam His said of Matt Rodgers,
Speaker 1: he's a beautiful product of Long Island masculinity. But he's
Speaker 1: now the most the most musical theater of fags, which
Speaker 1: is just the entire art. I'll take it. It's always
Speaker 1: what I've always wanted to be. Yeah, you go, wow,
Speaker 1: I tried to get guys, but you did theater. Did theater?
Speaker 1: What were your roles? And I've I've I've watched through
Speaker 1: this before and it's very closely tied to the musical
Speaker 1: theater director at my high school was the dance teacher. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the straight plays were directed by the drama teacher. But
Speaker 1: the dance teacher came in every year, um and had
Speaker 1: a great relationship with her at first, but she had
Speaker 1: this image. She just thought I was this like huge
Speaker 1: diva because I made the mistake of freshman year when
Speaker 1: I auditioned for the musical, which was Once Upon a Mattress.
Speaker 1: You said only this role? Yeah, yep, I said, I
Speaker 1: said no understudy because I thought, like the first time
Speaker 1: editioning for anything, I was like, I don't want to write.
Speaker 1: I want to just show that I want to be
Speaker 1: a part of the actual cast. And I thought that
Speaker 1: was like a bad mark to say that you were
Speaker 1: willing to be an understand like I just did not
Speaker 1: have right the working knowledge to know what I was doing.
Speaker 1: A miscommunication exactly. And so she pulled me aside after
Speaker 1: the audition freshman year she was like, hey, so you know,
Speaker 1: and she explained it to me as well she could.
Speaker 1: But that stayed with her. And so then sophomore ye
Speaker 1: was crazy for you Gershman. Jake just did col cores
Speaker 1: part in that as well. And then junior year was Barnum,
Speaker 1: which is a ship show, like a terrible show, and
Speaker 1: um my IB program kicked into gear that that year,
Speaker 1: which is just this like intense academic thing like a classes. Sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so uh, just she thought I wasn't committing enough
Speaker 1: to the show, asked me to leave. And then my
Speaker 1: choir teacher was like trying to like just rebuild that bridge. Wow,
Speaker 1: and he was like you should go and talk to her.
Speaker 1: And I was like okay, and I said us on
Speaker 1: Duel's episode. The onus was not on me as a
Speaker 1: seventeen year old. Nothing back. It was never right. It's
Speaker 1: completely the right way to deal with kids, right. No.
Speaker 1: And so then I had to like set up a
Speaker 1: meeting with her, sit down in her office, just you know,
Speaker 1: grovel basically, and she took that well. And then conveniently enough,
Speaker 1: senior year was and she passed away the office. She passed.
Speaker 1: It was anything goes, anything goes for you, father, I was, yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: I was. I was the Chinese Stoe and um it
Speaker 1: was awful. Wait he's he's he's the character Chinese well
Speaker 1: in so in certain adapt so in certain renditions, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I've never seen anything goes okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So so, um, I just know it's not the father,
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking of Burt Lar, the Joel Gray part
Speaker 1: right right now. So so Joel Gray's part. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: the other has these two Asian stow aways God, and
Speaker 1: just had to like just put on the accent and
Speaker 1: it was just the worst. That's just and that was
Speaker 1: like that was like my reward for making amends with her,
Speaker 1: and it was just still we're going back there tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Back there tomorrow, I me drills upus to two the artist.
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? Like I would have killed to just
Speaker 1: have like even had like just like a measure in
Speaker 1: a fucking song, you know. Like anyway the way that
Speaker 1: like they those teachers play politics with kids, it's like
Speaker 1: we get that your lives are like not always like
Speaker 1: as big as you wanted them to be, right this, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that you're running this like combustion engine of
Speaker 1: like ambition and whatever for kids, and like you want
Speaker 1: to like get that started early. But like the way
Speaker 1: that it was specifically and I'm just not acting at
Speaker 1: the victim here, but like just was totally it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be fun. Now I'm supposed to know what. It's
Speaker 1: show business. It's not fun friendship, it's busy. I actually
Speaker 1: now now that I remember, I did do one play
Speaker 1: when I was in sixth grade, so and it was
Speaker 1: like a lot of people did it. It wasn't this
Speaker 1: thing where I'm like, I'm interested in the arts. It
Speaker 1: was like we're all doing this. Um so I played
Speaker 1: like a pirate in Peter Pan and um this girl
Speaker 1: Alicia one day, who I had been really good friends
Speaker 1: with him, he had messed around a lot, because that's
Speaker 1: what all It was like us messing around, like kind
Speaker 1: of being on our places, kind of knowing our lines, whatever.
Speaker 1: And one day she turned to me and she said,
Speaker 1: you don't take this seriously. And honestly, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be associated with someone who's not taking this seriously.
Speaker 1: And if you don't take theater seriously, then you really
Speaker 1: shouldn't be in theater club and you probably should quite
Speaker 1: bring her up. I don't know. But the thing is like,
Speaker 1: it's just funny now that I did that show at
Speaker 1: that moment, did because I was like, oh wow, I'm
Speaker 1: so panicked in a way that she doesn't even understand.
Speaker 1: And for her to come for me in this way,
Speaker 1: like it was so much for me to even have
Speaker 1: friends and be there, and for her to come from
Speaker 1: me in this way, it's like so crazy. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're crying having such a hard time living. Waitum, speaking
Speaker 1: of moments, this is just one addendem alad to this whole.
Speaker 1: Her name was miss Wed, the dance teacher. Miss Wed saga.
Speaker 1: My moment for me that that's like, that is um
Speaker 1: I approached her. I approached her junior year, and I
Speaker 1: was like a little salty about still getting a course
Speaker 1: part which is a little bit, which was a little division.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was more salty than you're remembering too,
Speaker 1: but sure so. Then I so then so then like
Speaker 1: she had like pulled me aside and wanted to talk
Speaker 1: to me about it. She was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if your attitudes right, and again again this is monstrous
Speaker 1: of her. But then the moment was she this, uh,
Speaker 1: this other kid, Brian Black was there. He's this great performer.
Speaker 1: I think he's still acting. Now. She goes, the reason
Speaker 1: you're I can't believe she said this. The reason you're
Speaker 1: in a correst roll is because and she points to Brian.
Speaker 1: She goes, because he is able to go into the
Speaker 1: audition room and be a polished performer and you still
Speaker 1: need to figure that out. Oh my god. And I
Speaker 1: was like, you're like literally a baby. I'm sixteen anyway.
Speaker 1: Cole High School rules for you, I mean theater rules
Speaker 1: for yes, that just you know Marius Seymour, Marius is great,
Speaker 1: Matt and the Fantastics. I was the only like guy
Speaker 1: that did theater that could sing Yeah, but I didn't
Speaker 1: want to play I wanted you know, I wanted to
Speaker 1: play that character. Yeah exactly, Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what a fun what a fun little stroll nugget. Can
Speaker 1: we talk quickly about big Little Lies because you guys,
Speaker 1: this is going to be the first step. By the
Speaker 1: time you guys hear this, big Little Eyes will be over.
Speaker 1: But it's given me my entire life. Yeah. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: seen only seen the first two, but you guys, oh
Speaker 1: my god. So it's it took it took a long
Speaker 1: time for me to get on board with it, but
Speaker 1: I'm fully on board. I think about it. I thought
Speaker 1: about it a lot today. Reason is like very much,
Speaker 1: my my, my, my spirit guide. She's she's back. She's back.
Speaker 1: Producer Alex and I were talking about this earlier. It's
Speaker 1: he thinks it's her best performance. I think it's maybe
Speaker 1: her best performance in her career. And that is saying
Speaker 1: something when you actually take a second to remember that
Speaker 1: she's giving you some gold. This is this is coming,
Speaker 1: this is stacking up. Yeah, this is like beating out
Speaker 1: fucking Tracy, you know, and and and because it's it's
Speaker 1: like all of her most iconic roles literally rolled in.
Speaker 1: It's like Tracy flicking Ellwood's if they had like grown up.
Speaker 1: It's like that like determination to to get whatever she
Speaker 1: wants of Tracy Flick. It's that like um privileged send
Speaker 1: like bitching. It's like of l Woods. And there's this
Speaker 1: like like really like the shades of darkness she kind
Speaker 1: of and then like and then like honestly, her like
Speaker 1: regional specificity is pretty on point too. I guess you
Speaker 1: could point that to walk the line, but like you
Speaker 1: just believe it so much regional specificity, that's what we
Speaker 1: wanted an actor. I'm sorry, We're going with someone with
Speaker 1: a little more regional specificity. Absolutely, and I literally I
Speaker 1: don't mean more than exactly that, no, I know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I love that, like like she you just weren't
Speaker 1: a regionally specifically other people. That's like a real way
Speaker 1: to dance around. But I I fucking love Reese. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a monologue in episode six. Oh it's because you
Speaker 1: just see it. It's the monologue she gives to her daughter.
Speaker 1: I can tell you how she's made a mistake. I
Speaker 1: was like in it, I was like, you're going to live.
Speaker 1: I was about to fork some pad time in my
Speaker 1: mouth and then she starts the model when you put
Speaker 1: it down, I just froze. I was like, I cried
Speaker 1: and just mouth a gape. Was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: It was some of the best things I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Do you have to eat while you watch TV? I
Speaker 1: have to eat while I watched TV. Well, I'm usually
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying myself, so it's like, yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like I can't enjoy television or food unless they're together.
Speaker 1: Like when when when it comes on? Like this past weekend,
Speaker 1: I was I looked at the clock and it was
Speaker 1: fifty and I was like, oh my god, I haven't
Speaker 1: heated anything up. But I was like frantic that I
Speaker 1: needed to have food in front of me in time.
Speaker 1: That was opening credits. Yeah, it's so true. It's so true.
Speaker 1: I feel like, is that specific to our region? Do
Speaker 1: you think? Honestly? The title of the episode of regional specificity? Um, so, basically, wait,
Speaker 1: do you eat when you're in the movie? Theater, though
Speaker 1: I almost always get popping corn no, because then all
Speaker 1: I can think about is the popcorn. I can't really
Speaker 1: focus with that. It's just like I love well, I'm worried.
Speaker 1: It's do you ever hear Jacqueline Novak's like um um
Speaker 1: routine about sharing pizza because she's just like got her
Speaker 1: eye on, like how many pieces? Everyone's happy. All I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about is like, is there going to be popcorn
Speaker 1: when I want it? Or is like someone else going
Speaker 1: to finish? And always yeah, But then if you get
Speaker 1: your own often what happens is like someone will be like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want any, and then you get popcorn, and
Speaker 1: then they're like reaching over. Matt's the person getting the popcorn.
Speaker 1: I'm the person who says he doesn't need it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then and then you eat it, and then you
Speaker 1: get I mean, we're about to go see Power Rangers tonight,
Speaker 1: and I will get myself. I'm getting biggest soda. You're
Speaker 1: getting my own food tonight. Don't worry. But Matt does
Speaker 1: a very bad job of hiding his spite, which is
Speaker 1: I don't play an I'm not a good share me neither.
Speaker 1: I'm making share with Henry but I'm not a good
Speaker 1: share with anyone. I'm not a good share with anyone,
Speaker 1: even people that I'm in love with. There you go,
Speaker 1: I have yeah. Yeah, do you have siblings too? I
Speaker 1: always had to share with my brother and now that
Speaker 1: younger brother. Yeah okay, so yeah, So did you always
Speaker 1: win the games that you would play? No? See we we.
Speaker 1: Chelsea and I played pretend all the time, and I
Speaker 1: would always win. I was like that kind of desertion.
Speaker 1: I was the kid who always got more as the
Speaker 1: younger child, and my sister sort of just built up this.
Speaker 1: Just internalize that a lot. Um. That's really interesting. But
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna ask you about movies versus watching TV.
Speaker 1: Is it an environmental thing or is it? Does it
Speaker 1: have to do with the food. It's just environmental, Like
Speaker 1: I if I watch a movie at home, then I
Speaker 1: also enjoy eating during that. But if someone else is
Speaker 1: there with you, like, are you worried about someone reaching
Speaker 1: over for the bowl of like or something. I don't
Speaker 1: like watching things with other people. Great, Yeah I feel
Speaker 1: the same way. Yeah, Like when people are like I
Speaker 1: love watching RuPaul's Drag Grace and a bar full of Gaze,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, yeah, I don't prefer you. Well I can.
Speaker 1: I get, I respect and get why people say that
Speaker 1: I have the receipts. I think you've been quoted saying
Speaker 1: that you don't like to go to bars. I don't
Speaker 1: prefer to go to bars, or that you don't like
Speaker 1: it's not it's fun watching it alone. No, that's you're
Speaker 1: thinking of Joel. But you agree emphatically agreed with him.
Speaker 1: I think that I think that there are benefits to
Speaker 1: watching it with everyone, but also the I also said,
Speaker 1: and this is true. I mean, routinely, I'll just watch
Speaker 1: RuPaul's Draggers every episode like three or four times, so
Speaker 1: watching one set of bar because everyone's there, once probably
Speaker 1: with Henry, once by myself, and then once later on
Speaker 1: in the week when someone says they haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: and I stop everything and what we're doing, and we
Speaker 1: watch it, you know what I mean. And it's fine.
Speaker 1: It's fun for me every ting. Okay, I'm speaking of
Speaker 1: RuPauls Cole. You watching this season. I haven't watched this
Speaker 1: last episode because wait, is it online? Now? You can
Speaker 1: watch it online? Well, this is like a controversy now
Speaker 1: because it used to be you could stream it right
Speaker 1: after on Logo TV dot com, but now it's airing
Speaker 1: on one. So do you have Amazon Prime? No? But
Speaker 1: yeah I do, so then just maybe by this season.
Speaker 1: Oh but I also have Slings, so I have v
Speaker 1: H one, but I can only watch it live, right,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna I think. What's happening is they're doing
Speaker 1: the new episodes on v H one and the reruns
Speaker 1: are airing on Logo. Okay, oh so maybe I can
Speaker 1: catch on Logo. I don't know if I have a Logo.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's all as it used to be
Speaker 1: so easy because it would be on Logo TV dot com,
Speaker 1: but now it's not. Yeah, maybe it's on Netflix. It's not.
Speaker 1: It's not. Definitely gonna know. They should do a better
Speaker 1: job of getting out there. It's on fucking Friday nights now,
Speaker 1: a time of recording. Guys. Um, we're only after, we're
Speaker 1: only pasted the first episode, one episode, and you know
Speaker 1: we'll see hopefully, hopefully it's it's promising. Okay, let's me watch.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, let's do a I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: So here we go. Um, first of all, you guys,
Speaker 1: thank you for making the live show. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Umscot Races Live at Little Field such a success. It
Speaker 1: was so fun. There was so many people there. It
Speaker 1: was it was I did it was so fun that,
Speaker 1: you know, with all those fucking it was fifty fucking comedians. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a real blast. And I mean being in
Speaker 1: the back in the back room and just like really
Speaker 1: feel realizing who all was there. It was just very cool.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a great So thanks guys for
Speaker 1: coming out to that. And also you can listen to
Speaker 1: the live episodes on iTunes and all the platforms that
Speaker 1: were on and you know, like in subscribe and all that. Uh, guys,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Is sixty seconds to rail
Speaker 1: against something in culture that's you know, just we feel,
Speaker 1: you know, just offending us and it's our time to
Speaker 1: get it back, take back the narrative on these things.
Speaker 1: And so, um, what do you think bone, Do you
Speaker 1: want to go first or first? Do you have something prepared?
Speaker 1: I have something loosely prepared, Okay, I have something kind
Speaker 1: of specific prepared. Okay, let's go. So this is Bowen
Speaker 1: Yang's I don't think so, honey, and his time starts
Speaker 1: right now. I don't think so many standpipes on the
Speaker 1: fucking sidewalks of New York City, Honey. I was walking
Speaker 1: down Lafayette. A man was barreling towards me, so I
Speaker 1: side stepped him so that he could get out of
Speaker 1: his way. And as I side stepped him and stepped forward,
Speaker 1: I grazed my shin on a standpipe and it cut
Speaker 1: to my jeans and I had a sort of it
Speaker 1: scratched me and slashed me pretty deeply. Oh God, So
Speaker 1: I spend the whole trade riding home with a fucking
Speaker 1: open torn gene like, honey, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: And I thought I had tetanus, bitch, and I had
Speaker 1: a scheduled doctor's appointment and I had to go and
Speaker 1: the doctor visually diagnosed me and looking in the eyes
Speaker 1: and talk to me like it was a fucking idiot
Speaker 1: and said, no, you don't have tetanus. It has to
Speaker 1: be a deeper wound than that. And so I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. Stampipes are making me feel like like
Speaker 1: a like a stupid hypochondrias. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: Miney doctors just being very condescending with their visual diagnoses,
Speaker 1: because can they really be a hundred percent sure. I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. I don't think so honey doctors
Speaker 1: who think that their eyes are a fucking assay of
Speaker 1: a condition. Because I don't think so honey, you do not.
Speaker 1: You did not. I don't care if you sings. I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. Stampipes on the sidebouck of New
Speaker 1: York City. I don't think so honey for hurting me
Speaker 1: and my reputation in the in the medical community. Don't think. Wow,
Speaker 1: that was loaded. You had something to say. I had
Speaker 1: a lot of messages there, and you know what, I think,
Speaker 1: I kneled all of them. Nothing better than feeling good
Speaker 1: about the way you've spoken out. And I got a
Speaker 1: little more, got a little marble mounts at the end.
Speaker 1: But that's okay. I just want to say, originally I
Speaker 1: was gonna do my I don't think so honey about
Speaker 1: Sunset Boulevard. Let's just say this right now up front.
Speaker 1: I've changed my mind. Um, but I don't think so
Speaker 1: honey Sunset Boulevard. It's not actually a good show. Glen
Speaker 1: Close is good in it, but Andrew led Weber. I'm sorry, honey,
Speaker 1: You're sorry. I was kind of a mess. Okay, but
Speaker 1: I have I don't think so, honey. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. One minute, time
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey. Myself. Today it
Speaker 1: is Tuesday. You went to lunch in order to plenty
Speaker 1: Mary's that we're ten dollars each. You don't have the
Speaker 1: money for that, bitch. I don't think so, honey. And
Speaker 1: well then you got immediately home and smoke. We didn't
Speaker 1: play video games. Bitch. You're on a deadline and you
Speaker 1: know this. I don't think so, honey. Bitch, you have
Speaker 1: gone out to eat so many times in the past
Speaker 1: four days. And I know your anniversary to your boyfriend
Speaker 1: Henry of two years was two days ago. But bitch,
Speaker 1: stop celebrating yourself. You're just elongating this and you're just
Speaker 1: hurting yourself. Bitch. I don't think so, honey. I know
Speaker 1: that food is good, but you know what, take some
Speaker 1: of your time, take some of your energy, use it
Speaker 1: towards creating an accruing more money so you can go
Speaker 1: out for a nice dinner other times spread throughout the week.
Speaker 1: Because guess what, bitch, A when you go out for
Speaker 1: a nice dinner and the food is good, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It loses its meaning after this amount of volume times,
Speaker 1: so just do it for yourself. Also, be bitch again
Speaker 1: you do not have the money. You have less in
Speaker 1: your bank account, and bitch, you need to be more frugal, bitch.
Speaker 1: Fruit hashtag frugal bitch, that's what frugal bitch. That's historic.
Speaker 1: Never hasn't. I don't think so, honey, been um, Has
Speaker 1: there been an auto? I don't think. In an introspective,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, Cole, are you ready? I
Speaker 1: think so? Okay, all right, this is Cole of Schless.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. One minute on the clock,
Speaker 1: Matt sneezing, alright, I don't think so, honey, time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. The writer's strike w g
Speaker 1: A writer's strike. Look, I'm all four unions. I saw
Speaker 1: sally Field and Glass Menagerie, Norma Ray Unions. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: but whoever they're striking against. And frankly, it's not my
Speaker 1: job to figure that out. Go on Twitter figure it out.
Speaker 1: But the w g A, I got my notes in
Speaker 1: front of me. They're they're looking for streaming media residuals,
Speaker 1: and and changes to pension and health plans. And now
Speaker 1: there's going to be a strike. Will let me tell
Speaker 1: you what happened the last time there was a writer strike.
Speaker 1: Last time there was a writer strike, reality TV came
Speaker 1: into fashion. What happened with reality tv? Donald Trump? Do
Speaker 1: you know who's our president? President? Now? I don't. That's
Speaker 1: not that's not a rhetorical question. It's not up to
Speaker 1: me to know. No, no, So I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: writers strike. It needs to get figured out. And I mean,
Speaker 1: like too sweet, because bitch, I will run for office
Speaker 1: and I will run as a Republican and I will
Speaker 1: win and I will got this fucking country. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. And that's one minute. I would vote
Speaker 1: for you in a hard bank, would not vote down
Speaker 1: party log party lines. I would jump ship from my
Speaker 1: low point to oh my god. Honestly, I'm scared about
Speaker 1: the writer strike because we're such a good I mean,
Speaker 1: like but also like if they have good points, then
Speaker 1: they do. But like who it's the I think everyone
Speaker 1: should just tweet at like whoever it is. They're striking
Speaker 1: against what they want, they deserve it, just give it
Speaker 1: to them it's like the association of of of assholes,
Speaker 1: assass holes of the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers.
Speaker 1: So go on Twitter at a m P t h P,
Speaker 1: a m P t P a m P t P
Speaker 1: and just like start harassing them. I didn't invent which
Speaker 1: hunt culture, but I know how to use that. And
Speaker 1: it's time. Unless you want me as president, there you go. Sorry,
Speaker 1: it is my name. Um yeah, I mean everyone get
Speaker 1: out there and let's get out the vote. Let's get
Speaker 1: this sorted out. Okay, let's do things right at this time.
Speaker 1: What was the one good thing that came out of
Speaker 1: the two thousand seven writers strike. I'm trying to thank Survivorum.
Speaker 1: You know what, there was a lot of bad things,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of a lot of really promising shows
Speaker 1: were dead in the water after that. It ruined lost interesting. Um,
Speaker 1: it ruined a lot of shows. It made a lot
Speaker 1: of shows very confused and bad. That was like when
Speaker 1: network shows were big. I feel like now it's like
Speaker 1: with with cable shows being big, it's not going to
Speaker 1: really interrupt the quality of shows too much because they
Speaker 1: can just say, Okay, we'll take a break and later
Speaker 1: on we'll resume this and it'll be fine. But with
Speaker 1: network shows being big at that time, like order, it
Speaker 1: really kind of disturbed the narrative of a lot of shows.
Speaker 1: And I remember like when shows came back, they were different,
Speaker 1: episode orders were weird, you know what. You know what.
Speaker 1: I think the writers strike kind of helped with with um,
Speaker 1: this is the series. I think the writer stretches helped
Speaker 1: with was great because the second half of season four
Speaker 1: of Gray's Anatomy was very interesting. Did we get kid
Speaker 1: Nation from from the writer strike? Was that born during
Speaker 1: the writer's strike? Not sure, you're no, but you're I
Speaker 1: don't know, but you're a percent right about the kind
Speaker 1: of rise of reality because they had already reared its head,
Speaker 1: like American I had already become number one, and Survivor
Speaker 1: started everything and whatever. And then when there was an
Speaker 1: absence of those shows. It's true, when all those shows
Speaker 1: came in, I think that might have been being planted
Speaker 1: right now. And I this is like a Malcolm Gladwell
Speaker 1: asked spository topic right here. That's that's amazing. Thank you, Cole,
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Wow, Well, this has been a great episode
Speaker 1: of There's been so much culture brought to the forefront.
Speaker 1: Absolutely and thank you so much. Cole, thank you. I
Speaker 1: love you. I love this show so much. Totally an
Speaker 1: icon to us, I mean and again like just you're
Speaker 1: so you. It's it is your honor to see Cola
Speaker 1: School of perform Absolutely, so you should all go to
Speaker 1: the show on Dreune fourteen, June fourteen. Help help, I'm
Speaker 1: stuck that title. Thanks. You gotta go fabulous where people
Speaker 1: find you on social media at Cola Scola. He got
Speaker 1: he got it. I got it. He got it because
Speaker 1: I tried to get at Cola Scola. Guys, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. My name is Matt Rod. My name Bye bye.
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