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Speaker 1: Buddy Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. When I was thirteen

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Speaker 1: many kids, unfortunately, like the one we're going to speak

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Speaker 1: to talk about the homicide of Matt So I'm Joseph

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan and this is body bags, Dave and weary brother.

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Speaker 1: I'm weary and I'm tired of covering these cases. It

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Speaker 1: seems like they just will not stop. They are and

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Speaker 1: you know, i'd like to say that it you know,

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Speaker 1: and of course Harmony is a lot younger, but it

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Speaker 1: seems like every time we turn around, there is another

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Speaker 1: like we can just insert, you know, that that little

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Speaker 1: children have been failed. The children have been failed over

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Speaker 2: Coming on the heels of Audrey Cunningham, this story made

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Speaker 2: both the you and I sick to our stomach because

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Speaker 2: we had just put that horrid story. At least we

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Speaker 2: was again, I know, we're not supposed to do this, Joe,

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Speaker 2: but as a parent, as a father, if something happens

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Speaker 2: our job as parents to protect our children from the

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Speaker 2: monsters and the bad people. And when we introduce the

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Speaker 1: In Madeleine's case, she's found out in this horrible abandoned

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Speaker 2: At a same time, the story of Madeleinesoto began as

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Speaker 2: a thirteen year old girl is missing. And because that's

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Speaker 2: You dig it from the very beginning. She's missing, and

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Speaker 2: here was the drill. She was being taken to school.

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Speaker 2: She's thirteen by her mother's longtime boyfriend, not some short

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Speaker 2: But as we started following it, there was another thing

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Speaker 2: She might have done it. She just turned thirteen. But

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Speaker 2: in my mind, when I saw that, Joe as somebody

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's so what would compel a thirteen year old

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Speaker 2: And if you're unwilling, you know, they'll ask you for it. Hey, Dave, look,

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Speaker 2: you're not a suspect or anything. Well, they know they

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Speaker 2: They tell this, Dave, Look, we really want you to

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Speaker 1: Try to appeal to your humanity.

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Speaker 2: They didn't give us a lot of very specific stuff,

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Speaker 2: to believe he was not just involved, he was the

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Speaker 2: person behind the disappearance of Madeleinsoto. And when the police

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Speaker 2: I mean, hoping all these horrible things would be true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The one thing that investigators can impart to family

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Speaker 2: And this is a time well before he was supposed

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Speaker 2: and well, eight thirty in the morning, okay, where was he?

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Speaker 2: He was dropping her off near the school at eight thirty,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, because you know, they're listen, the police are

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Speaker 2: Joe, the part that got me in all of his

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Speaker 2: seen that's thirty six pages long, they actually have Stearns

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Speaker 2: So here you've got a guy that is on video

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Speaker 2: what was he thinking? Was he in some kind could

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Speaker 2: he use that as a defense, Joe, You've seen this everywhere.

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Speaker 2: But would he be able to say that he was

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Speaker 1: Well, let's don't give him that idea for the defense

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Speaker 2: David.

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Speaker 1: You know, they never they never leave you at all.

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Speaker 2: And that's where maybe because I don't know. I only

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Speaker 2: The minute they gave him a chance to speak, he

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Speaker 2: find lawyer. So when they did find her, Joe, what

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Speaker 1: just kind of throw a date out to you, Okay,

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00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: a date range, And I want everybody to listen to this.

435
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: We have date ranges on Stern's phone that begin you ready,

436
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: June nineteenth, twenty nineteen, and it ends February twenty sixth,

437
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. You know what's contained in that day,

438
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: Graphic images, graphic images going back all these years. Now,

439
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: let's do let's do a little arithmetic here. Madeline is thirteen, right,

440
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: and so let's do the calculation on that. It's twenty

441
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: twenty four right now, and let's just say we'll ballpark

442
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: it and say that Madeline was born in what year

443
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: two thousand?

444
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: If she had just turned thirteen when you were missing? Yeah, yeah, son.

445
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: Twenty eleven, Dave, So, twenty years old, twenty nineteen. Day,

446
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: this child, this precious angel, since twenty nineteen, when she

447
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: was eight years old, Dave, she all of her teeth

448
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: have not come in yet, Mark that. Just think about that.

449
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: She's still experiencing growing pains throughout her body. Mom's having

450
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: to buy new clothes because she's growing. We know what

451
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: that's like if you're a parent. Bedtime, bedtime's supposed to

452
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: be at eight or nine. Got to get to bed, honey,

453
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: It's time to go to bed. The child cannot yet

454
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: fully take care of themselves. Eight years old, eight years old,

455
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: and there are images on this person's phone, going back

456
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: all those years now for us, you know, as old

457
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: people in the audience, I count myself as old. Twenty

458
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: nineteen doesn't seem that long ago. But when you're living

459
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: in a hell like this, and trust me it was,

460
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: it probably seemed like an eternity for her. Back to

461
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: your earlier comment, Dave, the comment that she had actually made.

462
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: I think she would have rather have lived in the woods,

463
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 1: in the heat, in the humidity, covered with bugs than

464
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: live this existence. And she even had that awareness, you know,

465
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: going back, you know all this time, she knew that

466
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: it was bad, even at her young age, that she

467
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: knew that there had to be something that was not

468
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 1: abnormal like this, that it would be more normal and

469
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: more secure for her to live from her home than

470
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: to endwell this structure with this person because of everything

471
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: that he had done to her.

472
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: Day. Now, Joe, when you and I look at this,

473
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: we're coming from the standpoint of, how is it possible

474
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: that you could have somebody in your world that is

475
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 2: living with you, is around you and yours every minute

476
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: of the day, and you don't know anything's going on.

477
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: How is that possible? Now, I'm not blaming the mother,

478
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: I'm questioning the mother, that's all. And I don't think

479
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: that's an I don't think that's a bad thing to do,

480
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: because this thirteen year old girl is dead. Joe, I

481
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: didn't do it. You didn't do it. Somebody who knew

482
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: that girl since before all of her teeth came out.

483
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, I have a grandson that's eight, Joe,

484
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: and I know the children he's around. I know because

485
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: of the friends you know I And it breaks my

486
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 2: heart to think that nobody was watching out for her

487
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: from that age until she's thirteen, where she's writing I'd

488
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: rather be in the woods. I'm not. I'm just saying,

489
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: do you have somebody in your life that is around

490
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: your child that you don't that's been around them for

491
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: years and you don't know this?

492
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: How do you? Well?

493
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: Before I lose my crap here, this guy had so

494
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: many pieces of inappropriate child pornography on his cell phone

495
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: that I have to wonder, Joe Scott Morgan, how is

496
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: it possible somebody can have that on their phone and

497
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: you wouldn't know that? Doesn't I mean, how do they

498
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: What are they doing in their world that they can

499
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: have Are they that crazy they can have this whole

500
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: thing going on over here in the eye it from you.

501
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: You don't see it, Yeah, I don't. I don't understand

502
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: that either, that you could be so numb and lack

503
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: such self awareness that you don't know that this is

504
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: that this is going on. And there have been when

505
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: it comes to Stephen Stearns, there have been sixty new

506
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: charges now to this point at the time of this recording.

507
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: I got to ask you about these, Joe, because of

508
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: the number, because I don't understand the charges. I mean,

509
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: I understand them, but I don't know what they actually mean,

510
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 2: and I know you do. So let me start off

511
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: with one thing, and it goes back to when police

512
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: saw what they said was Madeline in the car with

513
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: Stephen Stearns. I want to get this Timeline square away,

514
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: so you know where she was when they found her.

515
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: You mentioned that we don't know that much about it. Well,

516
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: we do know that the morning that they saw Stephen

517
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: Sterns getting rid of her backpack and her laptop in

518
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: the dumpster behind their apartment complex, that he came back

519
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: to the apartment complex and was leaving again around eight

520
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: nineteen that morning. He was That's where they saw Madeline

521
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: in the car, in the vehicle with Stearns, and they

522
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: believe she was already dead.

523
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 1: At that point.

524
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: Now near where her body was found. It was out

525
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: in this area off of Old Hickory Tree Road, in

526
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: a very rural part of Astola Oceola, Ostiola County. Now,

527
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: she was found in this area where Steven Stearns was

528
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: seen for about an hour and a half changing the

529
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: tire on a vehicle. So what they're trying to and

530
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: she was found in the clothing she was described as

531
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: wearing that morning, we do know that much. So they

532
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: saw her what they believed to be dead in the

533
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 2: back of the in the car, I don't know if

534
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: it was back or front, but in the car with

535
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: him at eight nineteen that morning and then out in

536
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: this rural area. He was based on his cell phone

537
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: and other information eyewitness accounts of the car being there

538
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: for an hour and a half, and she was found

539
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: near that area where he was allegedly changing the tire

540
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: on the car. We don't know what he don't know

541
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: everything that he did to her in life. We don't

542
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: know everything he did to her in death. But that

543
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: does kind of set the stage for you of what

544
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: he did to get rid of of her body. He

545
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: wasn't thinking things through when he threw the bag in

546
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: the back and the dumpster.

547
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't. And I wonder, I wonder relative to

548
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: the changing of the tire, if that was if that

549
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: was planned, you know, to give was that a stage

550
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: saying yeah, so that you can kind of alibi yourself

551
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: relative to that you're moving about. People see you take

552
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: a tire out, they might mistake that if you're removing

553
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: the remains of a thirteen year old child and you're

554
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: walking them off the road. But yet you come back

555
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: and you're you know, you're still feigning changing your tire.

556
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe his tire was flat, but we

557
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: do know that her remains were found, you know, close

558
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: out there. I think one of the sidebars on this

559
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: whole thing that was unfortunate was that the sheriff had

560
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: actually sent out on social media an image that was

561
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: apparently intended to be something that had something to do

562
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: with the retire community in that in his jurisdiction, but

563
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: unfortunately it was actually an image of Madeline's body at

564
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: the scene. And I know that there's tremendous regret over that,

565
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: and again, you know, with phones, you never know, you

566
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: know what you're going to be sending out or what

567
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, what folks are going to be exposed to.

568
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: Said a great day with smiley emoji.

569
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, and that's that's certainly a tragedy.

570
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: And no it's not.

571
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think that that's the case. But unfortunately,

572
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: this child who has just you know, I mean, look,

573
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: it's it is. It's just kind of the exclamation point

574
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: on all of this. And and I think that from

575
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: the perspective of she this child is going to be

576
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: when this does go to trial, that jury that's impaneled

577
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: in this case, Uh, they're going to be exposed to

578
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: all of this, these horrible images that are there. And

579
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: you know there's sixty charges right that have been filing.

580
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: What does it mean when of those sixty charges there's

581
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: eight counts of sexual battery of a child in their

582
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: twelve What does that tell you, Joe, Well.

583
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: It tells me that you know, she's thirteen, right, I mean, yeah,

584
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: we did the calculus on that that they had that

585
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: this was going. Yeah, you know, when we go back

586
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: to that date, that solid date, that benchmark and tom

587
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: that they discovered on him, there's some kind of tom

588
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: stamping there that goes all the way back to twenty nineteen,

589
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: Dave that this abuse has been happening. They can document this,

590
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: and this is key here. They can document this all

591
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: through this time. And one more thing I think that

592
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: I'd like to address here that and I don't want

593
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: to go too far field into forensic psychology where people

594
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, my friends like Karen Stark,

595
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: you know kind of they they're in that world of

596
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: forensic psychology. But I do know this with sexual predators

597
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: and child sexual predators, they will actually they have time

598
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: brackets that they work in our age brackets. Age brackets

599
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: is the appropriate term where when a child ages out,

600
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: they have no more utility for the abuser, they begin

601
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: to look for somebody else that fits within that bracket.

602
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: And this has been demonstrated several times over through in

603
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: cases all over the country over the years. And the

604
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: tragedy of this she's you know, we're saying that she's

605
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: fully clothed, she's actually in the clothing of the day.

606
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: If and when they charge him with homicide in Madeline's murder,

607
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if if there's not necessarily going to be

608
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: any kind of disruption or clothing. If he made this

609
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: decision at this moment time allegedly to take her life,

610
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: if it was just like okay, he purposed that morning

611
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: to end her life and place her body out there

612
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: she had just aged out. Or is it going to

613
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: be where we see some kind of trauma on her,

614
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: where he's beaten her to the point because she threatened.

615
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: Perhaps she said I'm not going to live like this.

616
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: Remember what she said? And I think that this is

617
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: very important what you alluded to early on. She said

618
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: she didn't want to She didn't want to in twell

619
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: this world anymore. She wanted to live out in the woods. Well,

620
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: maybe she had expressed that to him at that point

621
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 1: in time. And look, he's got everything to lose here,

622
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: because he's going to go in as the old timers.

623
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: You say you're going in all day, pal, you know

624
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: you're going in forever and ever. Amen, you're not going

625
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: to see the light of day again.

626
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: There was another thing on here too, Joe. Okay, we

627
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: had the eight counts of sexual battery of a child

628
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: under twelve, Well we have five counts of sexual battery

629
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 2: with a child between twelve and eighteen. Would that basically

630
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: incorporate the time because they have video evidence, yes, on

631
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: his phone?

632
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and it's not just photographic, it's video evidence.

633
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: So you've got apparently there's evidence of this going on,

634
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: and I refuse, I'm not going down this road. I'm

635
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: not going to get so deep into this, particularly given

636
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: what we know at this point. If people want to

637
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: read the affidavit, you know, you can find it. It's there,

638
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: but it implies and what we're talking about here, and

639
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: the reason this is important is that there are breaks

640
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: in time here. It's not breaks, it's more like these

641
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: benchmarks in time, and that's why this case is so strong, Dave,

642
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: the electronic evidence, and of course what we're going to find,

643
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: I think probably physically that she had gone through. There

644
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: will be evidence of abuse. Oh yeah, this is a

645
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: young girl, this is a grown man, and there will

646
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: be evidence of abuse that has gone on forever and ever.

647
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: And I would imagine that many times with children that

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Speaker 1: have been sexually abused, they will act out in inappropriate

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Speaker 1: manners many times. And when they go back to interview

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Speaker 1: people that were peripheral to her, say in school, like teachers,

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Speaker 1: perhaps hopefully a counselor if they took time to spend

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Speaker 1: time with Madeline, maybe she demonstrated something in the classroom

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Speaker 1: or in social situations that seemed odd. And if you

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Speaker 1: have someone that is a forensic psychologist that can go

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Speaker 1: back and look at this and say they can say, well,

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Speaker 1: she fits a pattern. Here, she fits a pattern, and

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Speaker 1: we can kind of identify this, and that would in

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Speaker 1: fact be addressed in court. I got to tell Stearns

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Speaker 1: is looking at a real uphill battle as they try

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Speaker 1: to move forward with this case. But I do know

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Speaker 1: this right now, somewhere out there there are other children

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Speaker 1: like Matteline. It's incumbent upon us to be aware of

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Speaker 1: that this is going on. It goes on every day,

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately we have a light that has dimmed and

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Speaker 1: it's now been snuffed out. The only thing that we

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Speaker 1: can hope for is that there will be an ultimate

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Speaker 1: price to be paid for these crimes. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: and this is body