1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of My 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, you're welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: over there, and that makes this stuff you should know. 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: Say the clock tower, that's good? Like that, it's good. 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: Just popped into my head. Oh for real. Yeah, I 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: wasn't reading this article and doing this research thinking back 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: to the future, back to the future. I'm surprised it 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: just popped into my head. I actually hadn't thought about 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: back to the future at all. But but that's a 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: really that's very appropriate, Chuck. But that is not a 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: historic district. That is just a landmark building. I think 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: that could still it could still qualify for a registry 14 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: on the National Register of Historic Places, it just wouldn't 15 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: be a historic district, which is what we're talking about today. 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: Maybe this should just be the end of the podcast, 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: the end, Chuck. Have you ever gone into a neighborhood, 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: just been walking around town, and all of a sudden 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: you realize that you're in the most charming, adorable place 20 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: you've ever been in your life. Well, then you've probably 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: been in a historic district. Yeah, this is pretty cool. 22 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: I feel like this. We haven't done one like this 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: in a while. Do you like this? When I was 24 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: fully expecting you to say like this so much? I 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: love historic places, I know, but sometimes Yeah, I don't 26 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: know why I thought that, but I'm glad that you 27 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: I'm glad that it panned out. I actually selected it 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: because I knew you were gonna hate it, so, you know, 29 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: eggs on my face. This is I don't know, kind 30 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: of harkened back to some of our episodes we used 31 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: to do, like row houses and shotgun houses. Uh, yeah, 32 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: that's that stuff. Yeah, yeah, shotgun houses. We did do 33 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: a full episode on shotgun houses and their architectural importance. 34 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: I thought that was a pretty good episode. I agreed. 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: I think we released it as a select recently, too, 36 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: didn't we m I don't think I did. But that 37 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: might have been one of your picks. I don't think 38 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: I did. Jerry ghost producer. We need to let Jerry 39 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: select him some from time to time. Jerry didn't have 40 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: time for that stuff. That's fine. She needs nothing else 41 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: on her plate besides, so that's true, and overseeing the 42 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: largest podcast program in the world, Yeah, it's pretty impressive years. 43 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: Jerry said, thank you. Yes she does. She's aid, thank 44 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: your holding me so super in her mouth. So, um, 45 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: I think I've already kind of gotten the intro out 46 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: of the way where I asked if you've been in 47 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: a charming area and said, you've probably been in a 48 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: historic district. Well, I mean there's a good chance that 49 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: you have if you've been in the United States, because 50 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: they're more than twenty of them. Yeah, that's a lot. 51 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: I mean there's all over the place. And you might 52 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: say like, okay, well that's great. Who this is an 53 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: area that has been designated to have some sort of 54 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: historic significance. Um, can I please go to sleep now? 55 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: It will say no, no, please don't go to sleep yet, 56 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: because there's a lot more to it. And in one 57 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: of the more surprising twists you're ever going to have 58 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: in your entire life, it's actually controversial historic districts can 59 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: be Oh yeah, yeah, did you not read that one article? Yeah? 60 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: I was just being coy. Okay, my stomach just bottomed out, 61 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: didn't terror. So should we talk about Charleston, South Carolina? Yes, 62 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: a place where I well I didn't go there. I 63 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: went to the beach near there. Oh the Isle of 64 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: Palms just a few weeks ago. Oh yeah, but we 65 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: were within uh spitting distance of Charleston, South Carolina. Why 66 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: would you spit on Charleston. I wouldn't. I love it. 67 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: Bill Murray lives there, for God's sakes, Yeah he does. 68 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: Apparently he's a man about town there, and I think 69 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: his family lives there too. Yeah, that's why he lives here. Ohtah. 70 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: So Uh they formed the very first historic district in 71 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: the United States. Yeah, they established the Board of Architectural 72 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: Review And this quote here is pretty great. Uh, this 73 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: is the official quote from that Architectural Review Board. Can 74 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: you please read it in the mid Atlantic accent? Mid Atlantic? 75 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: Why that? Because that's the that's the one, the old 76 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: timey one, okay that you're probably going to use. I 77 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: was going to do an old Southern thing. Oh that's okay. Yeah, no, 78 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: that's way more, way better. The preservation and protection of 79 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: the old historic and architecturally worthy structures and quaint neighborhoods, 80 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: which in pought distinct aspect of the city of Charleston. 81 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: That is, that was beautiful. They actually have quaint neighborhoods 82 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: in their charge. Yeah, right, so I mean, like, from 83 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: what I've read too, Charleston like actually is legitimately interested 84 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: in its architecture and preserving its architecture. Yeah, although, as 85 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: we'll see later, there are some people that think Charleston 86 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: didn't do it right. Oh is that right? Yeah, that's 87 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: in the article as okay, so, or that they're overdoing it. 88 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: That's how I took it. Yeah, sure, okay, cool cool. So, 89 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: but Charleston was the first one to basically say, this 90 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: is historically significant architecture. This is a historically a significant area, 91 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: and we want to make sure that it stays that way. 92 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: So we're going to add a layer of protection, legal 93 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: protection over this area that the rest of the city 94 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: doesn't have. And within five years the word had spread 95 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: to New Orleans and they said, that's a pretty good idea. 96 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: Chief We're going to do that for the French Quarter. 97 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: It is my New Orleans accent. Oh is that it? Yeah? 98 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and that you know, what they're basically saying 99 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: is is that it can be either one. It can 100 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: and it all depends on your local jurisdictions, which we'll 101 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: get to. But historically or aesthetically, these buildings in this area, 102 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: they're linked together, right, And so the Charleston thing basically 103 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: provided the Charleston and then in New Orleans when basically 104 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: provided the groundwork, which was this area is protected, and 105 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: we're going to form a board who was charged with 106 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: making sure that it stays this way as much as possible. 107 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna vest some legal authority into them. And these 108 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: people are who you have to go through if you 109 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: want to do anything significantly um uh, altering to the 110 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: exterior of your place, if you live in this area 111 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: or have a business there, right, or maybe not even significantly, 112 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: depending on where you are. So kind of like you know, 113 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,799 Speaker 1: plotted along this idea. It was around for a couple 114 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: of decades, and then this whole process of urban renewal 115 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: that was kicked off after the highways started being built. 116 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: Um in part because of the highways, because people were saying, wait, 117 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna blow right through, you know, the 118 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: Lower east Side in Chinatown with this highway in in Manhattan. 119 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: We don't want you to do that. This is worth protecting, 120 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: So build your highway elsewhere. And then also as the 121 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: highways were built and traffic started being rerouted away from 122 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: other towns, um these other towns that used to be 123 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: thriving sorry to fall into disrepair. Some people are saying like, hey, 124 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: let's knock down these old buildings and build new ones 125 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: and maybe business will come back. Um it. It initiated 126 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: this idea that no, no, we've got some historic stuff 127 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: here and we need to protect it. And it really 128 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: started to kick off in earnest in the in the fifties, 129 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: and by nineteen fifty six the federales had gotten involved 130 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: and through the National Park Service established the National Historic 131 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: Preservation Act that said, you, MPs, you're in charge of 132 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: designating what's his an historic site and what's not. That's right, 133 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: and uh in nineteen sixty six they created the National 134 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: Register of Historic Places run by the National Parks or 135 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: not run. But I guess just sort of maintained. Sorry, yes, 136 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: I said nineteen fifty six. I'm in nineteen sixty six. Okay, 137 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: I got everything else right, Yeah, that's right. So, um 138 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: here's the deal. You can be listed on the National Register. 139 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: And that's really like that doesn't I mean it means something. 140 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to say. It doesn't mean a whole lot. 141 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: But if you really want to protect something, you have 142 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: to go with your local historic district. You have to 143 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: create and protect it locally. That's a very big deal. 144 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: But we're gonna go over both national and state, which 145 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: is sort of like national and then local, which is 146 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: pretty different it actually is, but it's really it's impressive 147 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: that the local level is the one that has the 148 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: real teeth as far as historic districts are concerned, as 149 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: it should be so, but most people want to start 150 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: out with the national district at the very least, because 151 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: there's a certain amount of cache to it to having 152 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: your place designated as a national historic um either structure, district, 153 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: or area. But there's there's multiple things that can fall 154 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: under or be um logged onto the Register of Historic Places. 155 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: Apparently in other countries they have similar registers, but they'll 156 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: include things like uh, events, um, people, just not necessarily 157 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: things or objects. But in the United States there's a 158 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: real emphasis on place and situation and buildings in particular. 159 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: And so if you're on the National Register of Historic Places, 160 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: you are two things. You're an object and you're inanimate, 161 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: and you probably are in situated in a specific area. 162 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: You're like where you are what you are is kind 163 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: of tied to the area you're around. That's the real 164 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: focus of the United States National Register of Historic Places. 165 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: That's right. So there are five overall categories. Buildings, it's 166 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: pretty obvious. Structures also kind of obvious, but that could 167 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: be it says in here, that could even be an 168 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: aircraft as a structure. Yeah. I saw that there's a 169 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: grain elevator in the Fox, Illinois that's protected because it's 170 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: an example of the transition between one story and two 171 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: story grain elevators. Say, it is amazing, and I don't 172 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: want to yuck anybody's ye. That's the thing about this, 173 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: like to me, like if you can see, chuck, I'm 174 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: bleeding a little bit out of the corner of my 175 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: eye from being bored and even saying that sentence. But 176 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure there are people out there really appreciate the 177 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: different architecture of grain elevators. And that's the point. It 178 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: means that if it's on the National um Register of 179 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: his Story Places, it is important to some group of people. 180 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: And so don't yuck there, yum, even if you find 181 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: it's boring, agreed, because they might find what you find 182 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: interesting is boring. Number three, It can be an object. 183 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: Number four, It can be a site. And this is 184 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: a big one, uh in the United States because like 185 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: Civil War battle fields, UM, stuff like that Applach and trail, Yeah, 186 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: or MLK Historic site. Sure, it's like a bunch of 187 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: well we'll tell you we'll talk about that later. Or 188 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: it can be a district, which is basically some kind 189 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 1: of combination of those first four UM or just let 190 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: me group like you know, the street has has ten houses, 191 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: ten ten beautiful Victorian houses are all built by the 192 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: same architect and so this is, well, we're going to 193 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: consider this a district. Right, So like maybe in each 194 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: of those instances, if one of those houses was in 195 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: a neighborhood, it might qualify for UM designation as a 196 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: historic building. But if you put them together, because they're together, 197 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: they form this district, which is you know, the some 198 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: of these parts forms something larger and that connects them 199 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: and UM there's a couple of qualifications that they have 200 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: to meet to to be part or listed on the 201 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: National Register UM. Almost without exception, they have to be 202 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: fifty years old. I think the law is that, UM 203 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: it has to be exceptionally important to be younger than 204 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: fifty years old and still be designated on the Historic 205 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: places register, that's right. Uh. The other thing it has 206 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: to be as significant, which sounds kind of broad, but 207 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: um and and I guess it kind of is, because 208 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: significance is in the eye of the beholder. But that's 209 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: why we have boards and things like that to determine 210 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: whether or not they think it's significant to behold things 211 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: for us. And then finally it's got to be evaluated 212 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: that's significant and historic context, which kind of speaks for itself, 213 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: like it did any great history happen there? Um? You know, 214 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: was this Bob Dylan's house in Minnesota when he was 215 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: a child. Although I don't know if that's on the list. 216 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: I just threw that out there. It could be. I 217 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: mean it could be that's that's a that's a home run. 218 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: But say, like let's say you said, um, well this 219 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: this building used to house soda shop, a soda shop 220 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: that made pretty good chocolate malts. Um and so it's 221 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: representative of that time. Well, if you were on the 222 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: board looking at this application, you would look around and 223 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: try to put it in context, like, yes, people liked 224 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: chocolate malts at soda shops at one period in American history, 225 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: But was this the place where chocolate malts were in 226 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: wanted or is this the place where everyone widely agreed 227 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: made the best chocolate malted It's like no, Like it 228 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:11,359 Speaker 1: has a history, but not necessarily significant history in context 229 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: of the larger era that it's a part of, So 230 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: it would probably get passed over. Yeah, like the four 231 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: sort of historic context that you you have, it's not 232 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: shoeing necessarily, but you have a good chance if if 233 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: something important historically happened there, like this is the place 234 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: where so and so was shot and killed or born 235 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: perhaps who on a more up note, okay, uh, did 236 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: someone live here that was significant? George Washington slept here? 237 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: Sure or associated with them? Didn't have to live there necessarily? Um, 238 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: is it related to a certain architectural period or method 239 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: of construction? Like that's a that's a big one for 240 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: the Park Service. Sure, like this is the um this 241 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: is the last house to be used that used plaster 242 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: and laugh for their walls. Or there's a there's a 243 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: college in Florida called Florida Southern College that is like 244 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: the entire campus was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright. So 245 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: that is clearly going to to be accepted on the 246 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: National Register or Finally, Um, was there information at this 247 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: place that is historically important? Yeah? Or might there be 248 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: because they can afford protection to say, like an archaeological 249 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: site that's a known archaeological site that they haven't really 250 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: dug yet, Like, we'll find it right there, saying there's 251 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: a pretty good potential that some information or history or 252 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: historical significance will be yielded from investigation of the site, 253 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: but we want to protect it now before developers come in. 254 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: That's right. Here's the thing though, if you want to 255 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: be a historic district, um, that doesn't like if you 256 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: if you want to say, like these three square blocks 257 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: or historic district, that doesn't mean that every single property 258 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: in there is what's called a contributing property to that district. Yeah, 259 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: they're non contributing properties are allowed. Sure, Like if you 260 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: have the those fifteen Victorian houses on a block, and 261 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: then there's the one, you know, m the one modern McMansion, right, 262 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: that's non contributing. I think we can all agree. But 263 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't disqualify the rest of the area necessarily. It 264 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: just it depends on um. From what I've seen, it's 265 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: very much a subjective measure. How much that McMansion detracts 266 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: from the field or the um authenticity of the rest 267 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: of the site what they call um integrity. Yeah, that's 268 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: really kind of interesting, I think, because all the stuff 269 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: is subjective, but the integrity there is how that the 270 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: physical characteristics of that property reflect, like on this day, 271 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: reflect that significance historically, right, So like if you have 272 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: that row of Victorian homes, but every single one of 273 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: them was altered in the sixties or the seventies or 274 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: the eighties, and the people inside made some really weird 275 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: decisions and so altered the interior the exterior of these homes. 276 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: That yes, they were all part of this Victorian era, 277 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: and they were once pretty good examples of it. They 278 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: aren't any longer. Even though it qualifies for all these 279 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: other things, it would not be considered um a site 280 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: with integrity, and it might get passed over unless everyone 281 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: agreed to restore the houses back to that Victorian era. 282 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: That's the saddest letter to get, I think, is I'm 283 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: sorry you've been denied because your property has no integrity 284 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: pretty pretty much, you know, and you, sir, do not either. 285 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: That's how they finish every letter like that. Should we 286 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: take a break and talk about how you might create 287 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: a historic district. There is one other thing before we do, Chuck, 288 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: I think it's a fine idea. I'm not shooting down 289 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: your idea, but I do want to point out that 290 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: um areas have to be unified, not necessarily physically, visually geographically, 291 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: but somehow they have to be linked to be considered 292 00:16:55,240 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: a district. All right, now you wanna take a break, yes, Okay, 293 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: if you want to know, then you're in luck. Just 294 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: listen to don't chuck susion. Alright, So if you're a 295 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: person and you live, let's just take us for instance, 296 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: Like let's say I wanted to get my house in 297 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: my neighborhood and in Atlanta recognize as it or my 298 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: block as a historic National Historic district. Okay uh. And 299 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: the real reason I want to do this is because 300 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: of the street near my house. They're going to expand, 301 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: and it's a real bummer because they're gonna have to 302 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: tear down, um a few of the houses that are 303 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: really what I think are significant, and they might take 304 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: possession of that little strip of land that you've been 305 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: exercising squatting on. Yea. More importantly, they will take my 306 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: little strip of land, right Okay, so what would you do, like, 307 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: what what are you gonna do? And and um as 308 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: step one check to protect your home well to place 309 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: it on the National Register. I would start at the 310 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: state uh, the state Historic Preservation Officer, and this is 311 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: a person every state has one. You can go to 312 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: the NPS website to find out who yours is and 313 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: get in touch. And they're basically gonna help you out 314 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: with I mean, you're gonna you're gonna plead your case, 315 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: of course, but they're gonna help you fill out this 316 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: form um explaining why. I mean, they may say listen, 317 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: don't even bother, But what they're supposed to do is 318 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: help assess whether or not it might be eligible and 319 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: help you fill out all your national forms to send in. Right, 320 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: they might say like how old your house? And if 321 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, it's Bill in the nineties, it's still 322 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: pretty nice, they'll be like, don't don't bother, that's right. 323 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: But um, you're since you have never done this before, 324 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 1: your dinghis at it and they're there to help you 325 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: figure this out and how to do it right. They're 326 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: not the ones who were going to judge this. A 327 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: board will and typically a state board um for a 328 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: state historic preservation board. Their review board is made up 329 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: of people who know what they're talking about, architects, historians, archaeologists, anthropologists, 330 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: people who have been trained in this stuff, who can say, yeah, 331 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: this actually isn't that great. There's a much better example 332 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: of it, you know, a couple of blocks over. As 333 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, why don't we go to the 334 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: other place and make that a historic district? And then 335 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: you're like, no snobs, but um, the the officer that 336 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: you are contacting, it's their job to help you get there, 337 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: your application in, in state your case, and then get 338 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: it in front of the review board, who will then 339 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: take it from there and say this is a great idea, 340 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: there's a terrible idea, or I don't care either way, 341 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: and it's time for lunch. Approved, that's right. And this 342 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: is again going for that national register. And one reason 343 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: you might want to do this is because here's the thing. 344 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: It's it's sort of a badge of honor um like 345 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: we said before, and we'll we'll uh, we'll talk about 346 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: again later about the local one. That's one you really want. 347 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: But if you are on the National Register, it does 348 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: provide you with some legal protections federally, So if that 349 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: road is a is a federal highway project, then it 350 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: could protect your house, or even better, even if it's 351 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: a local or a state project, if it's getting any 352 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,719 Speaker 1: federal funding whatsoever. The same thing applies sure where they 353 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: have to say what's going to be the impact on 354 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: any historic district of this project, and if the impact 355 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: is deemed too great, the project won't go forward. So 356 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 1: there is there are some protections for it, but for 357 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: the most part it's kind of symbolic, and there's a 358 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: little bit of cache. And you know, you can put 359 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: it on your zealo page that your house is part 360 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: of a national historic district, right, but you can't. They 361 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: can't say, I mean you can. You can live in 362 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: a historic a national historic home, and you can let 363 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: it fall into disrepair and like garbage. And they can't 364 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: come in and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're you're on 365 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: the national register. You can't let your house fall into 366 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 1: disrepair like this, right, Yeah, clean yourself up. You got 367 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: a stain on your shirt, get a shape, what's your problem. 368 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: They don't say that that those are individual property rights 369 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: and it's only up to local governments to infringe on 370 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: individual property rights, not the state or federal government. So 371 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 1: while the state or federal government will have laws restricting 372 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: its own activities in regards to historic districts, like expanding 373 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: a road or something like that. Yeah, if you get 374 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: on the National Register of Historic Places, your whole neighborhood 375 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: gets on there. Your neighbor can do whatever they want 376 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: with their house. Still, So if that was your whole 377 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: employ all along Chuck to really keep your neighbor from 378 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: doing something like, say, I don't know, putting a second 379 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: story on their house. Um, you're going to find that 380 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: you have been frustrated. That's right. Um, you can go 381 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: to the state, But the state is basically like federal 382 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: Um as far as protections and stuff like that go. 383 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: Where where the real teeth come in is with the 384 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: local historic districts, and it is very different. They don't 385 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: have to meet the same guidelines. A lot of times 386 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: very similar, but they don't have to have the same 387 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: exact guidelines as the national Historic districts do. So the 388 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: first thing that you're gonna need, though, is there's got 389 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: to be an ordinance, a local preservation ordinance, which is 390 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: basically just, hey, here are the rules on how we 391 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: do this around here. Here, here's how we're gonna identify 392 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: these houses. And here's what it means if you have 393 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: one right, so, and this isn't like this is like 394 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: square one stuff like. This is what a city has 395 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: to do before it ever creates its very first historic district. 396 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: If your city has already done this, then you would 397 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: just basically go through the same process that you would 398 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: with the National Register in applying to get historic designation 399 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: for your neighborhood in your city from your local unit pality. 400 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: But if they've never done it before, they've got to 401 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: create new legislation for it, new laws protecting you know, 402 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: historic areas. And then they also have to set up 403 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: a preservation commission to basically the same thing that that Charleston, 404 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: South Carolina did all the way back in that's right. 405 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: So you're gonna go in front of the commission. Uh, 406 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna hold some public hearings where people can come 407 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: and argue the case for or against. Yeah, because not 408 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: everybody likes this idea. No, not everyone does. As we'll see, Um, 409 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: you have to have in fact, it's it's kind of hard. 410 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: You have to have. Like the community has really got 411 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: to be behind this in order for this to go through. Yeah, 412 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: in most cases, from what I've seen, you need a 413 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: majority of homeowners and business owners in the area to 414 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: agree to this. And I think even if the opposition 415 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: is particularly vocal and mad about it, it's they still 416 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: might be able to derail local ordinance designation. That's right. 417 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: But it's all going to be considered by the commission. Uh, 418 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: and they're gonna make that recommendation into the officials. They're 419 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 1: gonna say, you know you're gonna reject this. Are you're 420 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: gonna say it's okay? Is it all great or not? 421 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: And here's a deal. If you get named local historic district. 422 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: This is when um, they can say, oh no, no, no, no, 423 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: you live in a historic home in this district. You 424 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: can't let it fall out of disrepair. You can't. There 425 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: was this one case where was it in Maryland? I 426 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: think where I guess these front porch columns, Um, we're 427 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: being replaced by a family and they skimped a little 428 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: because what is expensive and used, whether these fiberglass or something. 429 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: And they said, no, no, no no, no, you can't do 430 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 1: that because you live in the historic district and you 431 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: have to use Uh, these original materials to preserve this house. Yeah, 432 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: you gotta use you would, like you said. I don't know. 433 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: Maybe they were like, we don't want to cut down 434 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: a tree, or maybe they were just cheaping out, but um, 435 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: I think they sued or yeah, I believe they sued 436 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: in order to try to keep them. But that's a 437 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: really tip goal. Um. Part of any local historic district 438 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: ordinance is if you're going to make any kind of repairs, 439 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: especially significant repairs, any alterations to the exterior, anything like that, 440 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: you need to use historically accurate materials. Well, you have 441 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: to submit it for approval to a local design review 442 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: board too, right, Sorry I got ahead of us. So 443 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: the first thing you have to do is say, I 444 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: want to replace the columns in the front of my 445 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: house because they're falling apart. I want to replace them. Um, 446 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: can I please do that? Please sir? Please let me 447 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: and the local review board or commission will analyze this 448 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: and they'll say, sure you can. But this is what 449 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: they have to look like. This is the materials they 450 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: have to um they have to be made out of, 451 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: and this is the color that they have to be painted. 452 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 1: And you have to follow that or else you can 453 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: be fine. They can place a lean on your property, 454 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: and um, the penalty can be pretty stiff. Actually, yeah, 455 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: And here's the thing, like I can at least understand 456 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 1: this and what we'll when we'll talk later about you know, 457 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: freedoms to do what you want with property that you own. 458 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: But this I can stomach a little bit. And we've 459 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: talked about homeowners associations before. Those are the ones that 460 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: really get me to where it is not historically significant. 461 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: It is an ex urb with seven hundred houses and 462 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: a subdivision that require you to have the same mailbox. Right. 463 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: So the in that sense, having a homeowners association covenant 464 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: UM and having a historic preservation district on a local 465 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: level where they both have teeth that they can actually, 466 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: you know, find you or tell you what to do 467 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: to the exterior of your house or your yard. The 468 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: point is the same in this sense, and that they're 469 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: trying to keep things a certain way at least. I 470 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: think what you're saying is, at least with the historic district, 471 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: they're trying to preserve something that has been deemed historically important, 472 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: whereas with the suburb, it's just they want to make 473 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: sure everybody's lawn is cut or that just looks the same, 474 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: or no one paints their house pink or whatever, but 475 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: they have the same aim, which is, like, this is 476 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: what we're all saying is very nice and pleasant. I 477 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: just watched Pleasantville last night for like the five hundred times. 478 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: It's a good movie, but oh man, it's so good. 479 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: But um, we've all agreed that this is pleasant and 480 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: this is what we want our area to look like, 481 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,479 Speaker 1: and then this is how it's going to stay, and 482 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: you can't change it. And if you do, you have 483 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: to petition, and this review board can tell you know 484 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: you can't do that. Yeah, And of course I know 485 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: that the answer to my problem with these the ex 486 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: orbits don't don't move there, then like you know the 487 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: stuff going in, then don't buy a house in that neighborhood. 488 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: And I think most people who do buy out there 489 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: are pretty aware of that, and I think some of 490 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: them are looking for that because it tends to protect 491 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,479 Speaker 1: property values. Like you're never going to have a neighbor 492 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: who just parks like a boat with a moth eaten 493 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: cover over it in their front driveway for five years. Um, 494 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: Like that's just not gonna happen out there. But at 495 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: the same time, it's also eye bleedingly boring to live 496 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: out there as well. Can I also just say that 497 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: I love that you're Halloween October movie watching its pleasant Bill? 498 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: Do you know I watched last night The Texas Chainsaw 499 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: Massacre the original? Yeah, I had never seen it. Can 500 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: you believe that I had never seen it? That's really surprising? 501 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: What did you think? Uh? Wow, it was it was disturbing. Yeah, 502 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: that hammer scene that he drags out for like twenty 503 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: minutes of the hour and twenty minute long movie. Yeah, 504 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: it was tough. Um, and I realized that, you know, 505 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm prepping for a movie crush h slasher movie special, 506 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: But um, I didn't. I never watched a lot of 507 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: that stuff growing up. I don't know if it's because 508 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: I was churchy, but just there that maybe so because 509 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: and I don't think it was like, oh I thought 510 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: I would be in trouble. I think just like the 511 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: people I was around didn't really get into that stuff. 512 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: So you missed a like crucial window in horror movie 513 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: watching because I can see coming into it as an adult, 514 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: you're like, like you said, this is highly disturbing stuff, 515 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: and this is this isn't fun like you like. It 516 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: has to kind of dovetail with that period of your 517 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: life where you feel immortal um and so it kind 518 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: of bounces off of you, the disturbing nous of it, 519 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: and then as you get to be an adult, you 520 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: can kind of start to appreciate the truly disturbing aspects 521 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: of it, but it's still tempered by that, you know, 522 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: teens and twenties something doing that you remember as well, 523 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: that just coming into it like this, you know, late 524 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: forties is not a good time to start watching Texas. Man. 525 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: I feel for you. I liked it. I mean I 526 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: thought pretty much appreciate it. It is well it's a 527 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: classic alright, I feel like we should take a break 528 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,719 Speaker 1: and uh, we'll come back and finish up about historic 529 00:29:51,760 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: districts right after this. If you want to know, then 530 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: you're in luck. Just chuck, alright, chuck. So we've kind 531 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: of hinted a little bit at the idea that not 532 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: everybody's on board within historic district and for you know, 533 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: getting a real designation, like a local designation where there's 534 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: actual restrictions on you. The person who owns the home 535 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: um can or can't do things without permission from a 536 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: board of people you might not even have ever met 537 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: in your life. Um. You the for it to be 538 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: really successful, you need the community behind that to to 539 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: get that designation. And everybody going in with their eyes 540 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: open saying, okay, you know this is We're willing to 541 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: spend the extra money on wood. We're willing to um 542 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: spend the extra money on you know, a hand handmade 543 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: window if one breaks, because we're not allowed to replace 544 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: the original old single pane windows that make it twenty 545 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: degrees in our house all winter long. Right, Like we're 546 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: we're go. We're going in with our eyes wide open 547 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: like that. But even if most of the community does, 548 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: there's probably still going to be somebody who says, I'm 549 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: a libertarian, I don't believe in this kind of stuff, 550 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,959 Speaker 1: and I'm really not happy about this. And that person 551 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: is basically going to have an historic district shoved down 552 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: their throat. Yeah. Um, and you you'll probably not you, 553 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: but if you are that person, you will be the 554 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: one that's vocal. If you know about the meeting and 555 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: you're there and you want to make hay, but you 556 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,479 Speaker 1: can be overruled. Uh, and all of a sudden you 557 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: are subject to those whims libertarians hate that. Well, there's 558 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: a bunch of sides to this coin here. Um. One is, 559 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of factors. One is, let's talk about 560 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: the pros. How about that? Yeah, I mean one of 561 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: the pros is many times, uh, it increases property values 562 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: because there's a standard that has to be upheld in 563 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: your house and those around you won't be falling into disrepair. Right. 564 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: And Plus, if you are like if you're if you're 565 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: housing prices are stable and rising in relation to the 566 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: rest of the town, your tax base or your taxes 567 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: also tend to rise to and so these areas very 568 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: quickly start to become very wealthy areas of town. So 569 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: it's a wait for for people to basically secure their 570 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: investment in their property. Yeah. And I guess we're talking 571 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,239 Speaker 1: about disadvantages mixed in here too, because there are some 572 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: people that say, hey, in the US, that's can be 573 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: code for keeping the wealth in the in the pocket 574 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: of the few, because who's going to be owning these 575 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: houses are people that have a lot of money. Yeah. 576 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: There's a guy named Kristen caps Um who wrote an 577 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: article on City lab back in two thousand and sixteen 578 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: that basically said the the um inequality and housing in 579 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: the housing pricing crisis late it at the feet of 580 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: historic preservation districts, which is pretty preposterous in a lot 581 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: of ways, but he did make some really he sure, 582 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: but the I think that his point was, like, just 583 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: do away with historic preservation for districts for neighborhoods, because 584 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: most of these things are covered by zoning laws that 585 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: say you can only have single family homes in here. Well, 586 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: only certain people can afford really expensive single family homes 587 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: in UM with really high taxes, and so it keeps 588 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: out people who would otherwise love to enjoy this amazing 589 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: neighborhood with this, you know, these mature oak trees and 590 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: beautiful sidewalks and neighbors walking around being friendly, and trader 591 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: Joes on every corner, or really good schools that there. 592 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: These neighborhoods shouldn't just be for extremely wealthy people. But 593 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: in saying that it's only single family housing allowed in this, 594 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: no one can ever build a high rise with a 595 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: bunch of apartments that those people who who might be 596 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: able to afford to live in and enjoy the neighborhood. 597 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: And so there's so on the one hand, they're like, well, yeah, 598 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: we don't want high rises here that it has nothing 599 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: to do with the historical architecture and it's a blight. 600 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: And other people say, well, you're also just keeping poor 601 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: people out too, So it's it's um, it's definitely double 602 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: edged sword because that's that's very much accurate. But it's 603 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: certainly not the cause or even a major solution to 604 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: the housing crisis either. Yeah, and there are Republicans in 605 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: Michigan that are trying to do away with a lot 606 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: of these um I don't know about districts, but maybe 607 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: potential future designations, because their whole thing is like, you 608 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: don't want the federal government coming in here and telling 609 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: you what you can do and what you can't do 610 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: with your house, although it wouldn't be the federal government 611 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: and it would be local, be local, but these must 612 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: be state reps uh and local reps. But they're saying, 613 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: let's let's do away with some of the stuff, like 614 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: Michigan has far too many of these, and your freedoms 615 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: are being squashed, right exactly. You want to paint your 616 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: ho spink, then you should be able to. And so 617 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: some some preservation district commissions are a little more laid 618 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: back than others. Apparently in Georgia. Um, if you it's 619 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: up to you to pick what color you want to 620 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: paint your house. If the repairs you're doing are minor, 621 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: you don't have to have a certificate of appropriateness. And 622 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: then in other places it is a staunches is kind 623 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: of an understatement. Um, old Town Alexandria very famous, Like 624 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: you can't do anything to the outside of your your 625 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: house in this old town district. But as a result, 626 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: it's an extraordinary it's an extraordinarily charming place to be 627 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: in the Like tons of people who visit d C 628 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: make the trip over to Old Town just to go 629 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: shopping or to eat, or to do whatever, just walk around. Um. 630 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: So that's another benefit of having an a story preservation district. 631 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: It attracts business or it attracts customers to your businesses, 632 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: and very frequently you'll find an influx of tour some 633 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: dollars coming into this area too. Yeah, and you know 634 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: we've talked about a bit before. The legendary um fabulous 635 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: Fox Theater here in Atlanta are only remaining, like amazing 636 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: huge old school Egyptian style theater. Was it was going 637 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: to be a bank parking lot in the nineteen seventies. Man, like, 638 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: they were literally going to put a parking lot there. 639 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: And I remember when I was a kid, they had 640 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: to save the Fox Theater campaign and it took you know, uh, 641 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: these celebrity benefit concerts to raise money. Ben Vereen did 642 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 1: he come. I could see it. It was the right 643 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: era that Frank Sinatra came. He was one of the 644 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: big wigs. Really yeah, yeah, Frank came to Atlanta and 645 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: performed and raised money and I was like, no, you 646 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: can't tear down the Fox, guys, that's my Frank. It 647 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: was okay, I should have gone with Sammy. You should 648 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: have done a Charleston accept for Frank. But uh, that's 649 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 1: the other side of the coin, which is like if 650 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: people don't I mean, there was a time in this 651 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: country in the fifties, sixties, and seventies where that could 652 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: that can very easily happen, and that did happen in 653 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 1: downtown Atlanta. If you look at old pictures of downtown Atlanta, 654 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: it looked like New York, a smaller version of New 655 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: York City. And uh, you know, now we've gotten some 656 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: of that character back, But there was a period where 657 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: they just tore down everything old in favor of putting 658 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: up these bland white buildings in the name of like 659 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: the future, and they called the urban renewal. And thankfully, 660 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 1: in the last ten twenty years, I'm not sure where 661 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: the idea came from, people said, no, you can have 662 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: the same effect, you can have businesses, you can have 663 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: mixed use development by reusing and rehabilitating these these same buildings. 664 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: You have to tear it down and build something new. 665 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,879 Speaker 1: It's usually cheaper to do that, but it's much better 666 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: if we do it the other way and kind of 667 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: preserve the history. And that's definitely become the push lately. 668 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, there was definitely a period in the middle 669 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: of the last century where a lot of stuff was 670 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: torn down and as a result. I was on a 671 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: website I can't remember the name of it um where 672 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: they were listing the most boring cities in the world 673 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: the world chuck, and the first one was Atlanta. What 674 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: the reason. One of the criteria they were using was 675 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: history like history, like, how much history is just kind 676 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: of mixed into the the fabric of the city. And 677 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: part of it is all the tearing down that they 678 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: did in the fifties and sixties, but also part of 679 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 1: it was um late at the feet of General Sherman, 680 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: who burned the town to the ground and burned up 681 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: a lot of the history as well on the March 682 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: to the Sea. So Atlantis has kind of had a 683 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: twofold um knock around where a lot of historical stuff 684 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: was not preserved and was actually torn down. As a result, 685 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: it lacks a certain amount of character because it compared 686 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: to other cities that have more history, the old twofold 687 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: knock around. Uh yeah, that's that's a dumb I mean, 688 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm not saying this just because this is my hometown. 689 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,720 Speaker 1: Atlanta is not the most boring city in the world. 690 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: In the world. That was in the top ten the 691 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,919 Speaker 1: dumbest thing I've seen ever. Uh well, here's the other 692 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: thing too. I think there is a and this isn't 693 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: necessarily about preserving history, but I think there's just been 694 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: a general return to taste and craftsmanship across the board 695 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: in the last like fifteen years. And some people may 696 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: call it hipsterism or whatever, but you know, people there 697 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: are artists and bakers now, and you know, handcrafted cocktails 698 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,240 Speaker 1: instead of fern bars, and when they are building new buildings, 699 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: they're trying to make them blend in, and I just 700 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: feel like there was a time where I think every 701 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: everyone in America thought the future was just going to 702 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 1: be sterile and white, and these sterile white buildings were 703 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: going up everywhere, and these and the baseball stadiums that 704 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: were just round white objects. And then starting with Camden 705 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: Yards in Baltimore, they started building these old style ballparks 706 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: and that's all you see now, And I think that's 707 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: just across the board. Is I think people are respecting 708 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: craftsmanship in history a lot more than they did for 709 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: a long long time, like decades. I agree, But it 710 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: is true that that comes at a price, because if 711 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: you look at those neighborhoods where you know they are 712 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: being rehabilitated and preserved by the people who are moving 713 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: in there. As they're doing it, um they're raising the 714 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 1: home values and which also raises the taxes, and so 715 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: people who have traditionally historically lived in these neighborhoods are 716 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: being pushed out of the neighborhood. So so that is 717 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: one part. It's one facet that has yet to be cracked, 718 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: like how do you how do you keep a neighborhood, 719 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, um, mixed as far as like income goes 720 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: or use goes, Like how do you how do you 721 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: really preserve that kind of thing. So so it's not 722 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: just like, yes, we're preserving this neighborhood at the expense 723 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,879 Speaker 1: of the residents who used to live here, because it's 724 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, richer people who are coming in and rehabbing 725 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: areas gent gentrifying basically what we're talking about. Cover that 726 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: in our gent Vacation podcast. Okay, but but that's a 727 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: that's a big thing. So it is a criticism of 728 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: historic preservation, but it's certainly not a reason to do 729 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 1: away with historic preservation. And one of the other challenges 730 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: I've seen is, Okay, so let's say we're going to 731 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: allow somebody to come in and build a high rise 732 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,879 Speaker 1: in this amazing historic neighborhood. Do you really think they're 733 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: going to be building it for low or mixed income 734 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 1: people to move into. No, they're gonna build it for 735 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: the wealthiest people who probably have even more money than 736 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: the people who own the houses in this historic district. 737 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: And it's not going to help this housing crisis at all. 738 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: It's just going to exacerbate it and will have ruined 739 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 1: a perfectly beautiful historic district in the process. We should 740 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: totally do one on gentrification. I agree. I agree. I 741 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: love episodes like these where it's like, oh, what's the resolution? 742 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: There is none yet, had stay tuned everybody. We know 743 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: you're very anti resolution, so I've read before people who 744 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 1: read fiction, uh tend to be able to deal with 745 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 1: open ended like endings more than people who don't, which 746 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,880 Speaker 1: is weird because I don't read much fiction these days. 747 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 1: But I can still, I can still hang with with 748 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: no resolution, no closure, no closure, you got anything else, 749 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,359 Speaker 1: nothing else. You're just waiting for me to stop talking. 750 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: It looks like, maybe, well, if you want to know 751 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: more about historic districts, why don't you go try to 752 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: get your place put on the national register. Why don't 753 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,439 Speaker 1: you as you do that, let us know how it goes. 754 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: Maybe keep us posted um In the meantime, though, first, 755 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: before I tell you how to get in touch with 756 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: us to keep us posted, let's say it's time for 757 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: a listener, ma'am, I'm gonna call this government shutdown. Follow up. Hey, guys, 758 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: I'm a member of the permanent government in d C. 759 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 1: I thought you did a great job it was great. 760 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: The emphasize the cost of a shutdown is the key thing. 761 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: Most people don't understand. These things aren't to blip. I 762 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: want to point that the effects of the last shutdown 763 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,840 Speaker 1: still aren't over. When we got back to work, we 764 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 1: were told that it took the agency six months to 765 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: recover from the previous shutdown that lasted sixteen days. And 766 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: these things are exponential, not uh linear. With the thirty 767 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: five days shutdown, we just don't know how long it's 768 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: gonna take to catch up. We have settled into our 769 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,439 Speaker 1: normal and just expect to miss deadlines. People we serve 770 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 1: regularly understand and are working with us, but I don't 771 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: think the general public gets it. You can't just push 772 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: back all deadlines by thirty five days because new work 773 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,439 Speaker 1: is constantly coming in. There's no pause button just because 774 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: the government is shut down. We're all working to catch up, 775 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: but it hasn't happened. It's not like we can blame 776 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: the shutdown either. People don't understand how work submitted after 777 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: the end of the shutdown can still be affected by it. 778 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: But we can't just double our workload. There's only so 779 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: many hours in a day, and that is from Nate. 780 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: Thanks Nate, it was a nice little follow up. Yeah, 781 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: thanks for bringing us down here, right. We had just 782 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,320 Speaker 1: kind of gone out on such a mediocre level, and 783 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: now it's down level. Well, if you want to get 784 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,879 Speaker 1: in touch of this, like Nate and bring us down 785 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: or to keep us posted on how it's going to 786 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: in your quest to get your house or your neighborhood 787 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: on the National Register of Historic Places, you can go 788 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,359 Speaker 1: onto stuff you Should Know dot com and check out 789 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: our social links there, or you can send us an 790 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: email to Stuff podcast at iHeart radio dot com. 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