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Speaker 1: Gascon who's right over there. He's making his way in
Speaker 1: here slicing and dicing as we dip our toes into
Speaker 1: the Major League Baseball postseason. But yeah, you got a
Speaker 1: familiar face, so at least for a few back in
Speaker 1: the UH in the happy confines of of our podcasting. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I've determined that the fifth hour parts is now one
Speaker 1: day of the podcast. We have dedicated to hanging out
Speaker 1: with people, right, hanging out with people, and we don't
Speaker 1: do that on the overnight show because of the time
Speaker 1: and all that we do it. And so it's just
Speaker 1: an excuse for me to talk to some of my
Speaker 1: favorite people in radio that I have loved over the years,
Speaker 1: and and and so with that as the backdrop, this
Speaker 1: is an interview podcast. And if you are a connoisseur
Speaker 1: of sports talk radio, if you are a fan and
Speaker 1: you go back a certain number of years, you are
Speaker 1: going to be very happy. Now you already know who's
Speaker 1: on today because you've seen the description of the podcast
Speaker 1: before you downloaded it. But one of my favorite all
Speaker 1: time sports radio see. If if you were to say,
Speaker 1: and I don't do Mount Rushmore, that's Gascon. I don't know, hi,
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore. But at the very top you've got guys
Speaker 1: like Tony Bruno, Hack Saw Hamilton's and this guy, the
Speaker 1: great Peter Brown. Now I first heard Peter Brown on
Speaker 1: the weekends. He was doing a show with Tony Bruno
Speaker 1: and Chuck Wilson, and it was one of the great
Speaker 1: radio shows in sports talk of all times, a weekend show,
Speaker 1: and I loved it so much. And I was just
Speaker 1: starting out my career at that time, and I was
Speaker 1: a big fan. I thought they did amazing in radio,
Speaker 1: and it was. It was really good, and so Peter Brown.
Speaker 1: If you don't know Peters, Peter had a very long
Speaker 1: career in places like Philadelphia, Chicago, Milwaukee, worked in a
Speaker 1: number of cities around the country and did national radio.
Speaker 1: He was at One on One, which became Sporting News
Speaker 1: Radio based out of Chicago. He did that for a
Speaker 1: while and he's been out of the business for a
Speaker 1: few years, so we haven't been able to catch up
Speaker 1: with Peter. But he was very provocative as a host,
Speaker 1: keep very strong opinions. I loved his style, his approach,
Speaker 1: and all that he knew his onions. He knew his onions.
Speaker 1: He didn't fake it till he made it. That that line,
Speaker 1: fake it till you make it. He didn't do that
Speaker 1: at all, and he would attack the sacred cows of
Speaker 1: sports and all that it was. It was really enjoyable
Speaker 1: to listen to him, and our paths actually briefly crossed.
Speaker 1: I met Peter for the first time. I've been a
Speaker 1: fan of his for a long time. But Fox Sports
Speaker 1: Radio brought Peter Brown out and he had a try
Speaker 1: out for one of the day parts. And I told
Speaker 1: the boss at the time, I said, you gotta hire
Speaker 1: this guy. This guy is better than anybody we have.
Speaker 1: And of course they didn't listen to me. Uh and
Speaker 1: Peter never never got the gig. But I'm excited, so
Speaker 1: let's let's give it up now. A long time sports
Speaker 1: radio legend, one of the fore fathers of syndicated sports
Speaker 1: talk radio, the great Peter Brown, joining us on the
Speaker 1: fifth Hour with Ben Maller and David Gascon and Peter,
Speaker 1: why don't we start with this? What have you been
Speaker 1: up to? My man? I'm a real good, tremendous glass artist.
Speaker 1: Now I've always been good at it, you know, and
Speaker 1: then I always did it when I was working in radio,
Speaker 1: but now I do it full time, you know. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: do the pandemic it's you know, created no art shows.
Speaker 1: But I go around the country to art show and
Speaker 1: art show and art show and tell yes, well, it
Speaker 1: seems like a good transition when you've had a good
Speaker 1: career in sports radio. I think that's what most people
Speaker 1: are going to be doing, right when they leave the business,
Speaker 1: you start making art, I would hope so for goodness sake,
Speaker 1: So because it gives you some sort of you know,
Speaker 1: nobody argues you see when when they buy something. That's
Speaker 1: the difference. Yeah. Well, and really sports talk radios art
Speaker 1: as well, Peter. And when you did it, that's true,
Speaker 1: and that's what it was. You know, it was a
Speaker 1: creative outlet. You know. Look when you do this, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know the nonsense about you work all day long
Speaker 1: and you're looking up stuff, but let's be real, you
Speaker 1: work in the four hours that you're actually on the air.
Speaker 1: So the other time I had to do something. So
Speaker 1: that gave me a creative outlet, and then I got
Speaker 1: really good at that um and that decided to become
Speaker 1: full time because look, I don't want to move all
Speaker 1: around the country. I'm I'm too old for that. Crep.
Speaker 1: Well you you did though you lived in didn't you
Speaker 1: live in like Cleveland, and yeah, when I was young,
Speaker 1: and when I was when I was you know, without
Speaker 1: two kids. I mean when when we decided to part
Speaker 1: company at Yahoo Boys Sporting, I think it was Yahoo.
Speaker 1: When I left, they were in Houston, and they wanted
Speaker 1: me to move to Houston. They wanted all their people
Speaker 1: in Houston. And I was still living in Chicago and
Speaker 1: I had two kids that we're you know, we're in
Speaker 1: high school, and I you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: move one more time. Besides, with all the crap I
Speaker 1: have accumulated over the years, it would take years for
Speaker 1: me to move. I'd be too old to walk by
Speaker 1: the time I got a rithing boxed up. So you know,
Speaker 1: enough already, I I educated the public for thirty years.
Speaker 1: Enough now it's your turn, well under staying. But now
Speaker 1: you're a hoarder, Peter, do you wanna? Is there a confessional?
Speaker 1: You know, in a in a kind of scary way.
Speaker 1: You know What's funny though, when I do watch Hoarders
Speaker 1: is kind of the time I do clean the house
Speaker 1: because it does make you feel like God, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be like that. I really don't. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: for those and I was telling some people were gonna
Speaker 1: have you on. I was a huge fan Peter of you.
Speaker 1: I thought you were were you are you are, then
Speaker 1: you are the closest thing to Peter Brown. I mean,
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. And for people that don't know,
Speaker 1: let me just let me just reiterate here that you
Speaker 1: are getting one of the premier talk shows in the
Speaker 1: country in Ben Mueller, because you are genuine. And that's
Speaker 1: my argument about every anything, is that most of these guys,
Speaker 1: whether it's Jim Wrong or all these other Putson's, they're
Speaker 1: all fake. They're not that well off the air, and
Speaker 1: they don't give you their true feelings. They make it up.
Speaker 1: You don't make it up. What you say is what
Speaker 1: you believe. And that was something that I always did,
Speaker 1: and I always thought that's why you and I had
Speaker 1: a connection. So I'm glad in a way that you
Speaker 1: were continuing on the legacy because they ain't too many
Speaker 1: of us left. I got news for you. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I I used to listen you did that. I first
Speaker 1: heard you You're on ESPN with Bruno and Chuck Wilson,
Speaker 1: and that was that was an amazing show. And I
Speaker 1: guess I'm dating myself, but that was like the first
Speaker 1: really main syndicated sports So you guys were on the weekends, right,
Speaker 1: you would did a really love the first I mean
Speaker 1: it was the ESPN's first show. I mean they brought in,
Speaker 1: you know, they had Tony and they head Chuck, and
Speaker 1: they brought in thousands of guys and they just couldn't
Speaker 1: get any chemistry going. And then I came in to
Speaker 1: do a week just to sort of try it out,
Speaker 1: and I kept coming back and then eventually they gave
Speaker 1: me a job like to like three weeks. Because the
Speaker 1: three of us had tremend this chemistry and the show.
Speaker 1: We each brought something different to the table. I mean,
Speaker 1: Tony was the joke store, Chuck was the you know,
Speaker 1: paper killer because he would be you know, everything had
Speaker 1: to be historically accurate. And then I gave the opinions
Speaker 1: and that's why it works so well. And I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, again, that show, I don't think we'll ever
Speaker 1: be reproduced in my opinion, and I don't you know, look,
Speaker 1: I've done a million shows, You've done a million shows.
Speaker 1: That was the finest show ever produced and put together
Speaker 1: by some of the finest people. Yeah, and you guys
Speaker 1: had great guests on and yeah, you know, not that
Speaker 1: people necessarily tune in for the guests, but you you
Speaker 1: guys were going back and forth and it didn't seem
Speaker 1: you know the thing for me, when I listen to
Speaker 1: a radio show sometimes it just drags, you know, there's
Speaker 1: no move to it. And you guys, it never was
Speaker 1: like that. And I tried to do that with my
Speaker 1: stuff on the overnight. I try to make it go
Speaker 1: as quickly as again, because you know you do and
Speaker 1: you know it again, it has to be entertaining, it
Speaker 1: has to it has to be accurate, it has to
Speaker 1: be entertaining, and you have to be enghosted it. And
Speaker 1: but we did seven hours Saturday and Sunday, and I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, Tony would would drive up from Philadelphia. I
Speaker 1: would fly Saturday morning from Chicago. And then at that
Speaker 1: point I was doing seven days a week because I
Speaker 1: was doing local afternoons in Chicago. So I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: for us to do seven hours and to make it
Speaker 1: go like that and to make it good on that
Speaker 1: kind of tiredness, it's because that's who we were, I mean,
Speaker 1: and that's the key. It's being genuine. I mean, the
Speaker 1: grades of radio. Every one of them, whether it's Howard Stirn,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, it doesn't matter. What's even a
Speaker 1: Rushla who I'm not a big fan of. At least
Speaker 1: it's I'm honest, and it's genuine. It's not an act.
Speaker 1: And that's the most important thing. Yeah. And now you
Speaker 1: said you're doing our Obviously you're not doing our. You
Speaker 1: you do, you make enough money feed where you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't need to do this anymore. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean I made it. Look at why I was. I
Speaker 1: was working here radio during the stupid time, a radio
Speaker 1: when you made stupid money when you know some of
Speaker 1: the figures that I made for working weekends should be illegal. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I have some good investments. I it's a
Speaker 1: really decent years gambling, which is always good. I still givable.
Speaker 1: So I mean that money comes in, um, and you know,
Speaker 1: like any other bom, I live off my wife most
Speaker 1: of the time. That's a good move. I want you
Speaker 1: to know, Peter, it's the great move the radio business.
Speaker 1: I am. I can work at Burger King and probably
Speaker 1: make about as much money as I'm that's Onnay, that's
Speaker 1: it totally. It's a totally different business. And you know
Speaker 1: that injured into it too. I mean, yeah, because I
Speaker 1: have continued on somewhere, absolutely, but I didn't like the
Speaker 1: direction it's going. I surely don't like the direction that's
Speaker 1: going now. I mean, for goodness sakes, I wouldn't last
Speaker 1: five minutes um on the radio with the way I'm on,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I think that's a
Speaker 1: terrible way that this business has become. I mean, the
Speaker 1: fact that you've been able to survive, I think it
Speaker 1: is a credit to you because it's a it's a
Speaker 1: miracle these days. Yeah, I want to talk about that because, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys have so much more freedom. And I got
Speaker 1: in and I felt like when I first started, I
Speaker 1: could say what I really want to say. I still
Speaker 1: say what I want to say, but I'm on overnight,
Speaker 1: so my bosses are sleeping when I'm talking, so I
Speaker 1: don't already. Yeah, I couldn't handle another meeting of can
Speaker 1: I see a second? I no, no, because it would
Speaker 1: be everything. Yeah, that's the worst part, right when you're
Speaker 1: doing a show and you're you get done with the
Speaker 1: show and then you get that message, that email or
Speaker 1: the text like hey can you come in and I
Speaker 1: gotta talk to you about something. It's like it was
Speaker 1: never to ask for a contract EXTENTI eight million dollars.
Speaker 1: That never happened. That why yeah? And the other thing
Speaker 1: you mentioned, the gambling, that was one thing I was.
Speaker 1: I love listen to you, but I could tell and
Speaker 1: I'm a gambler a little bit to him. I'm not
Speaker 1: as prolific as you, but I when I bet on
Speaker 1: a game and I things don't go right, you could
Speaker 1: tell when you were doing a rant, uh where your
Speaker 1: money was on the game, right? Actually, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I made I made Grant Mutzburger with the team because
Speaker 1: you can always tell when Brant had it, you know,
Speaker 1: like you all of a sudden, his voice would go down.
Speaker 1: Another buck eye touched you, like do you know who
Speaker 1: we had? And then that's fine, But it was it was, look,
Speaker 1: we gambling. People were talking about gambling persona long grato
Speaker 1: when I started. I mean two things that I did
Speaker 1: that where I got yelled at on a regular basis
Speaker 1: gambling and fantasy football. And now there are the two
Speaker 1: biggest things on radio. I mean, I'm it's hysterical to
Speaker 1: me when I see that, Like the NFL Brought to
Speaker 1: you by Fan duel. I mean it freaks me out
Speaker 1: when I see that. No, yeah, man, the wouldn't even
Speaker 1: put the point spread for a while. They wouldn't talk
Speaker 1: about I mean points were what's that? I mean when
Speaker 1: I would say, gee, that's a really really important touchdown
Speaker 1: because if they get back door, I mean I would
Speaker 1: get yelled at, how dare you change the thing? That's great?
Speaker 1: And you still you're still gambling, You're still winning, You're
Speaker 1: still making some money on that. Yes, I have some
Speaker 1: moments that's funny though. I mean in all, in my
Speaker 1: long bedding career, which now spans forty years, probably more
Speaker 1: than that forty five years. Um, when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I used to bring the gambling parlay tickets to school
Speaker 1: in kindergarten and you know, get in trouble that way.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I still to this day do
Speaker 1: not do well the first two weeks of the season
Speaker 1: and the last two weeks of the season. I do
Speaker 1: really well in the middle because I have something to
Speaker 1: go by, So like I'm right in my hate like
Speaker 1: startings week, I'm really now I'm in a group, so
Speaker 1: I'm okay. I'm actually the same way like the first part,
Speaker 1: especially this year, because there's nothing, nothing at all with
Speaker 1: no training, you know, no practice games, none of that stuff.
Speaker 1: So he had nothing. And uh, although I didn't do
Speaker 1: that great last week either picking the games, but you
Speaker 1: know I had a good week or because they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: so now I know what Tom Brady can do. I
Speaker 1: know what you know Kansas State can do. I know
Speaker 1: because i've seen them play. Well, I haven't seen them play.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going on who's the more experienced team,
Speaker 1: who's the most the team that jels the most. Also,
Speaker 1: to the lines sort of even out. Not only does
Speaker 1: the lines, Maaker sort of get into a groove as well,
Speaker 1: So at least I can understand what he's doing and
Speaker 1: what he's going through in making his decisions. And I'm
Speaker 1: a favorite player, so I need to see teams in
Speaker 1: the group. I can't take these twenty nine points and
Speaker 1: now at the three point game with three minutes left. See,
Speaker 1: I'm the other way. I genuinely lean to the dogs.
Speaker 1: I like betting at the underdogs, and so that you know,
Speaker 1: that makes it even there's so many terror teams in
Speaker 1: the NFL and in the quarterbacks at brutal and you're
Speaker 1: out here bet on underdogs and you're depending on the
Speaker 1: fourth quarterback door cover and these guys can't complete a
Speaker 1: three yard out. You know, it is terrible. No, absolutely
Speaker 1: made it in from a favorite standpoint too. You have
Speaker 1: to figure out, okay, which coaches, let's say, in college
Speaker 1: per se, which coaches want to help the alumni. You know,
Speaker 1: he was Burier Um Tom Osborne. They were great at that.
Speaker 1: I mean they knew if they were up thirty in
Speaker 1: the line, with thirty five, they were gold to that
Speaker 1: last touch and that was going kneeling down at the
Speaker 1: five yard line with three minutes left because they knew
Speaker 1: that their salaries were based on the alumni. If you
Speaker 1: made the alumni happy, then you made everybody happy. Well
Speaker 1: you know, I mean Will must champer us week kicking
Speaker 1: a field goal down seven points with three minutes left.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you know wh I know what
Speaker 1: we was doing, only I had Tennessee. So I'm not
Speaker 1: a little happy with the game Cocks right now. No understand,
Speaker 1: it's completely reasonable not to be happy. But I want
Speaker 1: to go back here to you when you're doing the radio,
Speaker 1: what was the biggest beef that you had with a
Speaker 1: coach through a player? Was there one that stands out
Speaker 1: that you just got into it, and that was that
Speaker 1: was the defining moment of you battling with an athlete
Speaker 1: or a coach. I mean I battled with maybe I
Speaker 1: like I in fairness and and I guess I have
Speaker 1: to apologize that doad Blue Sweede because he's had some success.
Speaker 1: But there was a time there, you know, when they
Speaker 1: didn't have the right defensive coordinator and you know, they
Speaker 1: would win and then somehow they would lose to like
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech ten nine or something some ridiculous thing. You know,
Speaker 1: Georgia does that a lot too, Like they win all
Speaker 1: their games in the East and then they lose to
Speaker 1: like Arkansas, like for no reason. And I would constantly
Speaker 1: bad mouth Cossons for not doing the right thing by
Speaker 1: not going out and blowing out teams. Or you know,
Speaker 1: I got to do a fight with uh mac Brown
Speaker 1: because he was playing when he when he was in
Speaker 1: Texas and I wanted to talk about the Oklahoma game,
Speaker 1: which was the next week, and he just didn't want
Speaker 1: to talk about it. I'm like, it's next week, you know,
Speaker 1: like you can't not talk about it. Go. And then
Speaker 1: there are guys who just never want to come on
Speaker 1: with me that that we know that that's a guaranteed
Speaker 1: you know, success rates when you know that they're coaches
Speaker 1: that won't do anything with you. Well, Peter, I love.
Speaker 1: I was follow up on that because I don't do
Speaker 1: interviews really on the overnight because the time and all that.
Speaker 1: But when I've had it, had guys on in the past,
Speaker 1: when when athletes are coaching, I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about that, you know, I'm, uh, what's the point of
Speaker 1: doing an interview. You don't decide what you're gonna talk about.
Speaker 1: That's not how this works, right theater exactly? That would
Speaker 1: and I would say, well, I want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I don't care what you don't want to talk about.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it, you know. And some
Speaker 1: of the great questions, you know a lot of them
Speaker 1: aren't even you know, actually related to their sports because
Speaker 1: they really like that. Like I remember having Reggie Bush
Speaker 1: on the night that Kim Kim Kardashian's wedding and I
Speaker 1: just answered if he was gonna go and he said no,
Speaker 1: he said, my mother's going. I said, what did you
Speaker 1: get her? Like? Things like that, like and because that's
Speaker 1: the nowadays, I don't know if you just don't get
Speaker 1: the same kind of interviews, you don't get the same
Speaker 1: kind of insight that you used to get because you know, look,
Speaker 1: in reality, the guys who asked the questions don't really
Speaker 1: want to know the answers. If Peter, have you had
Speaker 1: any dust steps with media personalities that you can you
Speaker 1: can talk about now? Oh yeah, yeah, I mean don't
Speaker 1: have more local although I know that when when um
Speaker 1: I was still at the FTN, but I also was
Speaker 1: working in Chicago and Eric Kramer was the quarterback of
Speaker 1: the Pears, and nobody got that Eric Kramer more than
Speaker 1: I did. I mean, I just butchered this guy. So
Speaker 1: here we go. We go to the super Bowl. It's
Speaker 1: in Tampa, and it's just I think it's just me
Speaker 1: and Tony Chuck didn't go. We're sitting at the table
Speaker 1: and the producers knew none of this that like Eric Eric,
Speaker 1: Eric wanted to kill me. I mean, like really seriously
Speaker 1: literally kill me. And I know I was either turning
Speaker 1: away and all of a sudden the segment starts and
Speaker 1: who's sitting across with me, Eric Kramer, and he really
Speaker 1: wanted to jump over the table, like Tony had to
Speaker 1: stop him from going after me. That's pretty that's pretty soft.
Speaker 1: Now have you done anything like nationally though, like you
Speaker 1: you've taken shots at media personalities nationally that you've no
Speaker 1: I deal. I used because you don't see anybody, you
Speaker 1: know when you're national. You don't we see anybody you
Speaker 1: know that you would see them at the Final Four,
Speaker 1: or you would see them at at you know, like
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl or World Series, let's say, but you
Speaker 1: don't see them on a regular basis as opposed to
Speaker 1: when you do when you see a local guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I I mean because again, I
Speaker 1: always thought one of the big issues was if you
Speaker 1: were gonna say something about a guy on the radio
Speaker 1: and then you saw him in person, you damn well
Speaker 1: better ask him when he's in prison. And that was
Speaker 1: the thing with Brian Urlacker. We were in Lawrence for
Speaker 1: the Rams and Paget Super Bowl, and I always said
Speaker 1: about her Lacker that the reason why he was such
Speaker 1: a great linebacker and made so many tackles is too
Speaker 1: full one. He had two fat guys in front of
Speaker 1: him and Ted Washington, okay, who funnels everything his way,
Speaker 1: and he had no responsibility the only responsibility he had
Speaker 1: was to make tackles, and I couldn't not say it
Speaker 1: to his face. So we argued about we did that
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, and we argued about that, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean within interest of each other. I mean that
Speaker 1: you know that that's dangerous stuff that her like HER's
Speaker 1: big dude, do you think you could survive in today's
Speaker 1: cancel culture with social I'm not even close. I mean not,
Speaker 1: he's like close because scale the funny part about the
Speaker 1: whole issue with Maria Taylor, okay, and Dan McNeil is
Speaker 1: now I didn't say it as crashy it as perversely
Speaker 1: as Dan did. Okay, but thanks to my non twitle
Speaker 1: for Twitter followers, I said it about a half hour
Speaker 1: earlier that I didn't think her outfit was necessarily appropriate
Speaker 1: for a sideline reporter. I thought it was more appropriate
Speaker 1: for a dance club. And I still believe that, And
Speaker 1: not that I don't think, you know, she's talented or untalented.
Speaker 1: I just didn't think her choice was good, same as
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think if if some dude or a speedo
Speaker 1: or a similar dance out for the guy on the sidelines,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think that was appropriate, But I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to talk about that. I wouldn't even get
Speaker 1: within three seconds of saying that. You know. The odds
Speaker 1: thing Peter about that is I on Twitter, it's such
Speaker 1: a weird ecosystem. You could you have. We have more
Speaker 1: freedom on radio then we do on Twitter. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's gotta be the written word, right versus the
Speaker 1: spoken word. The power of that, and people just get
Speaker 1: worked into a lather over everything on Twitter. It's insane.
Speaker 1: Well there's those are more rack jobs on Twitter too,
Speaker 1: you gotta remember. I mean, look, if you're assuming that
Speaker 1: that the Twitter people are callers, Okay, that's the caller
Speaker 1: that you know, like doesn't have any idea what you're
Speaker 1: talking about currently and just kind of says or Brady,
Speaker 1: I think he sucks, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: that's eventssentially the Twitter of guy. Yeah, exactly. And but
Speaker 1: then you know, I mean, like I said, people just
Speaker 1: read that stuff over and over, and then you've also
Speaker 1: got you know, there's a lot of there's not as
Speaker 1: many people on Twitter as people think. No, and if
Speaker 1: the Cancel culture group, I mean, look, you want to
Speaker 1: feel important, go ahead, you know, they cancel somebody or
Speaker 1: you want to feel big, you know, tell them on
Speaker 1: Twitter and then retweet it to all your friends and
Speaker 1: then it takes out a life of its own. And
Speaker 1: that's not the way that's Look, that's not the way
Speaker 1: free speech works. Okay. You know, I know everybody says, all, well,
Speaker 1: free speech and and it's against the government and all that. No, No,
Speaker 1: free speech is a free circling, you know, circulation of ideas.
Speaker 1: That's what free speech means. And for guys on the radio,
Speaker 1: guys like you and me, we have to have that freedom.
Speaker 1: If you don't have that freedom, then you know what
Speaker 1: you're you're a and that genuine and B you're basically
Speaker 1: sitting there worrying about everything you say. And I can't
Speaker 1: work like that. Yeah, that's the way it is. All
Speaker 1: it takes is one person, as you know, to hear
Speaker 1: something I'm offended, oh my, and you got to apologize
Speaker 1: and the whole thing. And they circled the way. And
Speaker 1: it's not my game. Close to that is when when
Speaker 1: I remember when the Pacers played the Knicks at Madisons
Speaker 1: where Garden, it was Game seven, you know, and of
Speaker 1: course I always felt like the league needed a team
Speaker 1: to be there, and they certainly didn't want San Antonio
Speaker 1: and Indiana in a strike short and season to be
Speaker 1: in the NBA Finals. The times out Game seven, the
Speaker 1: Knicks shoot like forty five free throws in the pager
Speaker 1: shoot like pen Okay. So I came up the next
Speaker 1: day and said, and it wasn't me. Actually was Larry Bird,
Speaker 1: the coach of the Pacers, who said he thought that
Speaker 1: there was something funny going on, okay, And I reiterated
Speaker 1: that and said, see this proves my point that the
Speaker 1: NBA screws with free throws in order to determine a winner.
Speaker 1: Well that I'm supposed to go to San Antonio for
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals to do my show, and I get
Speaker 1: one of those can I see you a second? And
Speaker 1: my generalmanager tells me that David Stearns office has called
Speaker 1: and are filing a ten million dollar libel suit against me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, first of all, go ahead, I don't have
Speaker 1: ten million dollars. If he wants to ten bucks, I
Speaker 1: got my pocket. He's welcome to it. But I had
Speaker 1: to go to San Antonio and I had to I apologize.
Speaker 1: But I was like, maybe the first of those non
Speaker 1: apology of teeth. Yeah, you know, I shouldn't have said that,
Speaker 1: but you know, kind of one of those things. So
Speaker 1: you get when you find this out, are you are
Speaker 1: you freaking out? You're laughing? You're like, I was, well
Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. One, I was totally thinking
Speaker 1: out because you know, a typical radio broadcasting fashion, you know,
Speaker 1: my my broadcasting partner that people I work for and
Speaker 1: left me like a hot potato. It's on You're not
Speaker 1: on us, you know. I mean, I knew they had
Speaker 1: my back, and so I called my agent right away.
Speaker 1: And what turns out that my agent and David Stern
Speaker 1: are really good friends. That turned out it wasn't so
Speaker 1: bad in the long run, that he was just pissed
Speaker 1: and that you know, if I just apologize, that would
Speaker 1: have been good enough. So what I think that my
Speaker 1: graduate of the final so I guess he still was
Speaker 1: okay with it. Well that's good though. But the the NBA,
Speaker 1: going back to when did this start the early eighties,
Speaker 1: you media that everything the Bulls or the Knicks or
Speaker 1: you know, because again those of the two major cities
Speaker 1: and you never saw Indiana or Sacramento, you know, those
Speaker 1: teams would always lose somehow, and you know, and again
Speaker 1: it was part part truth and part over exaggeration. But
Speaker 1: I mean it seems Tony that did Bulls and the
Speaker 1: Pistons and the Knicks and the Celtics and the Lakers,
Speaker 1: all the big markets, all the top ten TV markets
Speaker 1: always seemed to be in the finals. You know, I
Speaker 1: means the same people don't think that that. You know,
Speaker 1: the corner of the draft card envelope was folded so
Speaker 1: that David Bushire could get Patrick Ewing. You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: how did that always happen? How did how did a
Speaker 1: new franchise like Charlotte, where the India really really wanted
Speaker 1: to put a franchise with rapid basketball fans, yet along
Speaker 1: Jill Morning and Larry Johnson in the same draft. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well maybe it's got a sitting roote for you and
Speaker 1: you couldn't ignore it. Well. The other thing two, I
Speaker 1: feel like they have changed. I talked about this is
Speaker 1: the Laker game with Miami game one of the finals,
Speaker 1: uh the other night, and and and so what they
Speaker 1: do is like the Lakers were down by thirteen early
Speaker 1: in the game, they weren't playing well, the Heat were
Speaker 1: playing very well, and all of a sudden for that
Speaker 1: from the four minute mark of the first quarter till halftime,
Speaker 1: every fifty fifty call, every close call. They it was
Speaker 1: a parade to the foul line for the Lakers until
Speaker 1: they got their legs under him, and then you know,
Speaker 1: the game was by that point, it was over because
Speaker 1: the heat. I hope they'll probably had the core incident.
Speaker 1: But how many core incidents? Can you laugh? You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: it could be a coincidence, you know what I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: and you know probably just happened. Explain explaining to me,
Speaker 1: how is it that every NBA except the last night,
Speaker 1: of course, but the first game one of the pills.
Speaker 1: How did every game where you have a thirty point
Speaker 1: at twenty point come down to a two point game
Speaker 1: in the last two minutes? Fascinating? How that it's it's
Speaker 1: almost I wish you could bet that I did a millionaire. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Uh,
Speaker 1: you bet on the NBA. You stay away from it
Speaker 1: because no, I don't like the NBA, and I really
Speaker 1: really don't like baseball. I had to because remember it
Speaker 1: was the first thing back after the pandemic. And nothing
Speaker 1: upsets me more. Again, nothing upsets me more than than
Speaker 1: like late two hundred fifty dollars on Garrett Cole, and
Speaker 1: then some guys who were basically one nothing game, and
Speaker 1: then some guy who's gonna be telling insurance next year.
Speaker 1: I have toured fills in this clown. We can't get
Speaker 1: a strike. Now, I'm furious, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: If these guys pitched nine innings, I would like baseball better. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember one year, Peter, I had this brilliant idea.
Speaker 1: I always I bet underdogs, but then I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, this was black when Pedro and Randy Johnson
Speaker 1: were domind be baseball. So I had this theory and
Speaker 1: I always, as I remembered it, in April, these guys
Speaker 1: always seem to get off to like six seven and
Speaker 1: those starts, you know, in the first they so I
Speaker 1: figured I'll just bet on them, right, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: lay the juice in this big, big number minus three
Speaker 1: hundred whatever, and I'd lay it and they lose the
Speaker 1: case and I would get bird. I lost so much
Speaker 1: money that I did the entire month of April. Something
Speaker 1: was like in the late nineties, early two thousands, and
Speaker 1: I got I got destroyed because I didn't think I
Speaker 1: did like I didn't think this year that I thought
Speaker 1: for sure, and I didn't do it. But like the
Speaker 1: Dodgers are so good, they like never lose, so like
Speaker 1: my thought was, I just met them every day, all
Speaker 1: sixty games and see what happens at the end. I
Speaker 1: never did it, but I probably would have won one
Speaker 1: money because they never lost. But they just you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, like they never lose. Like, but I don't
Speaker 1: want some guy who like I've never heard of before,
Speaker 1: who like just got out of Albuquerque, who's now pitching
Speaker 1: the seventh inning in a to one game because some
Speaker 1: guy thought he had too a pitch count. Like, if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bet walker viewer for three hours, I want
Speaker 1: to make sure that he's in there long enough to
Speaker 1: look like he has an impact on the game. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: the other thing you did, you met the first five innings,
Speaker 1: so you bet the first five, and but I can't
Speaker 1: take I meant your first five. I'm usually asleep for
Speaker 1: the first five, like I football like a game also too,
Speaker 1: I don't like the fact that in baseball, when you
Speaker 1: bet a team, you don't have to watch like the
Speaker 1: your your half, Like you could just see how many
Speaker 1: how many runsday scores. Yeah, well, nothing that can happen
Speaker 1: when you're up except that. Now I assume you're this
Speaker 1: you actually watch these games. But I've known guys the game,
Speaker 1: but they don't even watch the games. They just put
Speaker 1: the bet, they go. I have trouble sometimes because look,
Speaker 1: I'm not a young man anymore. You know, my blood
Speaker 1: pasture can't take this kind of crap again. Look like
Speaker 1: South Carolina kicking a field goal with three minutes west
Speaker 1: in a in a seven point game, like I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't watch that. I'll kill I'll break TVs. I
Speaker 1: can't do that. I love it. I'm gonna go back
Speaker 1: to the radio stuff. You did local, you you were successful. Local,
Speaker 1: you did in national in Chicago it's sporting news and
Speaker 1: one on one and everything else they call that and network.
Speaker 1: So what what did you like more? Did you like
Speaker 1: the national stuff for the local stuff more? Well, I
Speaker 1: would only like the national stuff more. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: because look, you had a million different topics. I mean,
Speaker 1: because that's to be honest about this, and people don't
Speaker 1: know this. You know this, and I know this, but
Speaker 1: most people don't. This is a really hard job. I mean,
Speaker 1: just you know, you look first of all you and I,
Speaker 1: by the way, I like the last of the real
Speaker 1: heroes of this profession. Because we do it alone. You
Speaker 1: get too many single shows. I mean, the only show
Speaker 1: that that I did that was a team, so to speak,
Speaker 1: was Chuck and Tony and I. And that's because it
Speaker 1: was seven hours and because it wasn't a giggle fest
Speaker 1: like every local show is today, where I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: a joke, then you're gonna tell a joke, then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to one up your jokes. Like That's not
Speaker 1: how I run a radio show. So you have to
Speaker 1: come up with a topic all the time. It national,
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier because you can talk about the Patriots,
Speaker 1: and you can talk about the Cowboys, and you can
Speaker 1: talk I mean, you weren't sort of relying on something
Speaker 1: happening in your area. And as as was once stole
Speaker 1: to me by the great Howard Epskin is in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: is that we earned our money from February to June. Okay,
Speaker 1: when football training camp starts. You know, my little kids
Speaker 1: could do it from September to me. Hey, we're talking
Speaker 1: about football today. I mean, how hard is that? I
Speaker 1: want to day you from during those dog days of February.
Speaker 1: I got a Tuesday, um, and you got to generate calls.
Speaker 1: I got newsball. You're working properm you know, let's not
Speaker 1: just sit down and open the phone line. Well, and
Speaker 1: how would let me ask, how would you, the great
Speaker 1: Peter Brown, if we went a hundred and thirty four
Speaker 1: days here during the Apocalypse without any sports? There were
Speaker 1: no as you know, there were no games for a
Speaker 1: hundred and and we had to do the show every night,
Speaker 1: and it was that is I always remember during All
Speaker 1: Star Week, Peter, wouldn't everyone take off the All Star
Speaker 1: weekend Baseball right ety Monday and somehow after the All
Speaker 1: Star Game, because like I would, I would. We usually
Speaker 1: did the show from the All Star gument. That's another
Speaker 1: thing too, when you're national, you go to events like that.
Speaker 1: We went to like five or sixth straight All Star Games.
Speaker 1: We went to the Super Bowl every year, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, So like big events we were at.
Speaker 1: So it made it a little bit easier. If you know,
Speaker 1: if your local and your team is not in it,
Speaker 1: do you really care? I mean you're gonna watch on
Speaker 1: a Sunday, but you're not really going to care that
Speaker 1: much on Friday who win, you know. I mean you
Speaker 1: can't do like three hours on who's gonna win the
Speaker 1: Super bowlers nobody cares no the hundred thirty four days
Speaker 1: or whatever that this year. I my hat's off to
Speaker 1: anybody who you know a who did it alone, because
Speaker 1: with another person it's just you're just joking around and
Speaker 1: killing time. Anyway. I mean, look, teams killed time. Let's
Speaker 1: be honest about this. I mean, if you have two
Speaker 1: at two million booth, the two man radio deal, you're
Speaker 1: just killing times. You're like, oh, it's one o'clock. Then
Speaker 1: at flatherclock. If you're doing it alone, then you're relying
Speaker 1: on phone calls, and you're relying on the games, and
Speaker 1: you're relying on you know, somebody biting somebody or something,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean that's when you're really working. Without that,
Speaker 1: you're flying solo. Tell I mean you're out there on
Speaker 1: your own and at that would not have been easy.
Speaker 1: I will tell you that. And Peter, I mean, besides
Speaker 1: the authenticity you mentioned that earlier, what else what else
Speaker 1: do you feel is is lacking right now? Either in
Speaker 1: local or national sports talk radio, we maybe gives the crap.
Speaker 1: Who's any good? I mean That's what makes you so
Speaker 1: good is that I know every day, okay, that you
Speaker 1: go in saying I want this to be a good show.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a good listen, I wanted to
Speaker 1: be popular. I wanted to be entertaining. And you make
Speaker 1: it in your head, well, I'd better do this to
Speaker 1: make an arytating or jee. It's not entertaining in the
Speaker 1: first fifteen minutes. I'd better. I better bust my ass
Speaker 1: and do better. Most of these guys could kill us.
Speaker 1: They are there to pick up a paycheck, and they're
Speaker 1: there to get from one o'clock to four o'clock and
Speaker 1: from Monday to Friday. And that was it. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's all they care about. And and and look, let's
Speaker 1: be honest. Other than yourself and a couple of other guys,
Speaker 1: most people doing it have never done it before. Okay,
Speaker 1: they didn't work in their station, they didn't work in Idaho,
Speaker 1: they didn't work and you know in su say Marie,
Speaker 1: they were interns or were producers, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they went and said, okay, fine, we're doing
Speaker 1: a show now. Because you make three dollars, you're gonna
Speaker 1: do a show. Well, what talent do you have doing
Speaker 1: It's like me playing in the Super Bowl. I've never
Speaker 1: played football before, so why should I play in the
Speaker 1: super Bowl? Yeah? Any and I'm sure you had this.
Speaker 1: And not to name any names, but some of these
Speaker 1: athletes come in and do this, and it's just that
Speaker 1: they don't put any work and do it. They just
Speaker 1: wanted because I played the game and I can tell
Speaker 1: you still and it's just horrible. It's horrid. Radio mode.
Speaker 1: The original guy, the original guys were the newspaper guys.
Speaker 1: They were the first infringement on radio talent. Okay, because
Speaker 1: let's be honest, they decided that the station was decided,
Speaker 1: and networks decided, let's see, newspaper guys already get paid,
Speaker 1: so they have to put them half. And gee, guess what,
Speaker 1: they also have benefits, so I don't have to give
Speaker 1: the benefits. And these guys were more interested in doing
Speaker 1: their column. Then they weren't doing a radio The radio
Speaker 1: show took the place of doing work on the column
Speaker 1: and they weren't about to do that. And then the
Speaker 1: athletes came in because they were rea cheaper. So I mean,
Speaker 1: it became a money issue, not a quality issue. And
Speaker 1: radio right now is not a quality issue. It is
Speaker 1: a money issue. And if if you make what they
Speaker 1: think you should make, which is usually pittance, guess what
Speaker 1: you're hired. If you they don't ask you to have
Speaker 1: any talent. The ball players don't have any talented I mean,
Speaker 1: like Coastell said, it's a jockocracy. I mean, we're so
Speaker 1: ecstatic at Tony Romo because we found an athlete that
Speaker 1: really has a clue as to what he's doing. Peter,
Speaker 1: what's your what's your favorite time slot, whether it's morning, afternoon,
Speaker 1: or night time. I like that, dude. I'm not really
Speaker 1: an early early morning person, so like, and I did
Speaker 1: it when I was in the Orleans. I did it
Speaker 1: for a while and I just never got used to
Speaker 1: it ever, Like I could never like I would nap
Speaker 1: and then my whole day will be stroyed. So that
Speaker 1: was out. I like doing mid days may days. You know,
Speaker 1: there was a time when it was me against corn
Speaker 1: Isser and Rome and that was kind of fun because
Speaker 1: he read Battle for Affiliates and it was kind of
Speaker 1: a good battle. And the afternoon to the best because
Speaker 1: you're getting people on their way home from work and
Speaker 1: you know they're they're thinking about and it told the chance.
Speaker 1: If you're a guy in a car, you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna get that honey, how was your day conversation? So
Speaker 1: this is a way to get what you want to
Speaker 1: talk about out. So you knew you were gonna call
Speaker 1: on your way home because you usually start to traffic
Speaker 1: get it anyway, So without a doubt, I mean, afternoon
Speaker 1: drive was my favorite, without a question. Now, Peter, when
Speaker 1: you were starting, I know you were, I didn't know
Speaker 1: you worked in New Orleance. How many cities did you
Speaker 1: work in on your way up the ladder? And radio
Speaker 1: really always the real four as you kept Chicago. But
Speaker 1: I only got Chicago because I was doing ESPN at
Speaker 1: the time and I would happen to be living here. Um,
Speaker 1: I worked in New Orleans when I graduated from to
Speaker 1: Lane University, so I was already in New Orleans and
Speaker 1: then I worked like when I was a junior in college.
Speaker 1: They were starting a station in New Orleans and I
Speaker 1: they I went in said, look, I can do a
Speaker 1: sports show, and they gave me the sport show that
Speaker 1: to me back in the old days, to show how
Speaker 1: old I am and how long ago it was. That's
Speaker 1: when you had commercials on carts. Okay, if people look
Speaker 1: in the archives of life, go back and look at
Speaker 1: eight track, and you'll see that's how commercials are run. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's how long ago it was. And then I went.
Speaker 1: I was there. I was in the Williams for two years,
Speaker 1: and I graduated and the Eagles were in town to
Speaker 1: play the Saints, and the late Tom Brookshire and Tim
Speaker 1: Bibi was righting the station at w i P and
Speaker 1: Philadelphia came in and heard the show. So I met
Speaker 1: with them, you know, a couple of days later after
Speaker 1: the show, you know, after the Monday night game, and
Speaker 1: I went to work in Philadelphia one so I was
Speaker 1: like being my pants. I'm hearing in the fifth market
Speaker 1: of the country, one years old and I'm doing mid days,
Speaker 1: like you know, that was a little tough for me
Speaker 1: at the beginning. Um, and then I then I left
Speaker 1: there and I went to Cleveland because I was already
Speaker 1: the afternoon drive show there. So I went to Cleveland
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and then from Cleveland I
Speaker 1: went to ESPN. So the while I was DFPN, I
Speaker 1: went you know, both Chicago and FPN, and I never
Speaker 1: did really oh well, I did Milwaukee for a little
Speaker 1: bit because it was only an hour from my house,
Speaker 1: so it was easy to do that. Yeah, and I started.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because I I started. I was
Speaker 1: like nineteen twenty when I started kind of doing stuff
Speaker 1: on the side, you know, interning, working my way up,
Speaker 1: and then I got I got a midday show in
Speaker 1: l A when I was twenty two years old. So
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, and you know that, does that
Speaker 1: shows you that you have talent? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That's not a fluke, that's because you have talent and
Speaker 1: somebody and back in those days, they really cared about
Speaker 1: such things, cared about your talent and knew you had talent,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then you don't see
Speaker 1: that anymore. Yeah, that is that is well. Hey, the
Speaker 1: good news Peter here is that all these shows, most
Speaker 1: of them are coming from people's houses. So if you
Speaker 1: really wanted to get back in the business and make
Speaker 1: no money, you could do it from your house. So
Speaker 1: they'd set you up and you know, and I would
Speaker 1: do that. I'd like to be honestly, I don't need
Speaker 1: the money, okay, So for me, I'm actually the perfect
Speaker 1: candidate right now. All of these people because I'd be
Speaker 1: willing to do it, okay, and I don't need the money,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean's not gonna feed my family anymore
Speaker 1: like it was when I was younger, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean those days you'd battle for contracts. You know, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, no, five do and that's not enough more
Speaker 1: I need to you know now, I don't even care,
Speaker 1: just like enough to not insult me and we'll go
Speaker 1: home and we'll I'll do it. I have no problem
Speaker 1: with that whatsoever. Well, I'm not gonna go search it,
Speaker 1: you know what i mean. It's kind of like a
Speaker 1: double edged sword. I'm kind of lazy, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm kind of a lazy bester. So I
Speaker 1: mean I'm kind of like, I'm not gonna go search
Speaker 1: you down. I was somewhere to ask. I certainly would
Speaker 1: do it, and I want you to know, Peter, what
Speaker 1: I was so excited when I found out you came
Speaker 1: out to Fox Sports Radio. You did some shows at
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, and I I went in and told
Speaker 1: those idiots, I said, you gotta hire this guy. This
Speaker 1: guy's great. I was ready to go. I was totally
Speaker 1: ready to go. I mean, I don't know what to
Speaker 1: be honest, I have no idea what happened, but that
Speaker 1: was a strange time. They remember, No, you were amazing,
Speaker 1: and of course I'm a I'm a fan, but compared
Speaker 1: to compared to the other people that they had brought in,
Speaker 1: and I was like, why didn't what are you doing?
Speaker 1: You know it's not this is not brain surgery. You're
Speaker 1: just hire the guy. But I don't know what. It
Speaker 1: was a strange dealing. It was run by a strange
Speaker 1: guy who was no longer with us UM and it
Speaker 1: was it was yeah, it was a whole bizarre situation.
Speaker 1: And then then I was going to go back there.
Speaker 1: And then they brought in two guys and they lasted
Speaker 1: like a week, I think because they were annoying and
Speaker 1: I knew they were annoying. And then they try to
Speaker 1: put me with another guy who I refused to work
Speaker 1: with because I knew he wasn't gonna last long, and
Speaker 1: he didn't, so he was kind of very odd. But
Speaker 1: but certainly, I mean, I think Fox Sports Radio, for
Speaker 1: all the look for all the people that have been
Speaker 1: doing this, I think they do a really good job.
Speaker 1: I really do. I mean, I think they've been able
Speaker 1: to balance entertainment with you know, tortows that are decent
Speaker 1: and they got some you know, look, they've got some
Speaker 1: people that are pretty good, and I think that's important.
Speaker 1: You've gotta have people that are good. It's about quality.
Speaker 1: If you're not any good, it's not gonna matter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is true. Well listen, we're gonna let you go.
Speaker 1: I thank you for doing this. I'd love to have
Speaker 1: you on again. You're great. You should somebody should hire you.
Speaker 1: I think Fox Sports Radio should high. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: them to hire you, but you should. I agree, you're
Speaker 1: You're a big marketing now for me, you need to
Speaker 1: be the guy. You need to go in there. I was.
Speaker 1: It's like you're making so little money that I'll thread
Speaker 1: whatever I make with you. If you can get it done,
Speaker 1: there you go, we'll make it out. And Peter, if
Speaker 1: there's some guys listening, like I got an email from
Speaker 1: a guy. Wait, what happened to Peter Brown? And why?
Speaker 1: So you're on Twitter? Right, we can give out your Twitter? Yeah,
Speaker 1: how f y R? That's y R. So that's a
Speaker 1: tribute to your sporting news radio days. Right back in
Speaker 1: the arc again. Like I told you, I'm lazy you
Speaker 1: know my my email okay is e FDNPD. You know why,
Speaker 1: I'm just too lazy to change it. It says work
Speaker 1: at the ESPNI like a hundred years, but I'm too
Speaker 1: lazy to change it. I respect that, Peter listen, have
Speaker 1: a great time thing and you know, and that's why
Speaker 1: yours and Fox Sports the good news is will be
Speaker 1: there forever so I don't have to worry from your
Speaker 1: lips to God's ears. Hey, thank you, Peter, Stop stop.
Speaker 1: I need to you know again. You are the man.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know. Look, there are a few people
Speaker 1: I throw around compliments like manhole covers. Okay, trust me, people,
Speaker 1: if you don't realize that del Mar is the real deal,
Speaker 1: you're making a huge mistake. Huge because you're getting genuine you.
Speaker 1: What he says, something, he feels it. It's not just
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