WEBVTT - No Fakes Allowed 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.360 Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:05.480 Show weekdays at two a m. Eastern eleven p m. Pacific. 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:11.760 If you thought four hours a day, minutes a week 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.280 was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants of 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.960 the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He treats 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:21.840 crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the rich 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:25.919 pill poppers in the penthouse the clearing House of Hot 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.680 takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:34.479 Ben Maller starts right now. That it does, we are 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:39.960 in the air everywhere the power of podcasting. We thank 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:44.160 you for spending some time. This the spinoff podcast from 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.280 the radio show we'se We do this now eight days 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.640 a week you get five radio podcast from the Ben 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.720 Miller Show, and you get three, three of these Fifth 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:58.720 Hour podcast because four hours on the overnight clearly not enough, 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.920 clearly not an offen as you already have determined, because 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.679 you're a sharp cookie, that this podcast available on the 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:11.520 I Heart podcast network and wherever wherever you get your podcast, 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.920 and so for that, for that, we thank you, We 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.800 thank you very much. And yet again joined by David 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:23.040 Gascon who's right over there. He's making his way in 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.280 here slicing and dicing as we dip our toes into 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:30.480 the Major League Baseball postseason. But yeah, you got a 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.880 familiar face, so at least for a few back in 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:38.800 the UH in the happy confines of of our podcasting. Yes, yes, 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.880 I've determined that the fifth hour parts is now one 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:46.240 day of the podcast. We have dedicated to hanging out 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:48.880 with people, right, hanging out with people, and we don't 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.200 do that on the overnight show because of the time 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.800 and all that we do it. And so it's just 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:55.480 an excuse for me to talk to some of my 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:59.920 favorite people in radio that I have loved over the years, 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:04.240 and and and so with that as the backdrop, this 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.840 is an interview podcast. And if you are a connoisseur 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.840 of sports talk radio, if you are a fan and 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.079 you go back a certain number of years, you are 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.440 going to be very happy. Now you already know who's 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:19.160 on today because you've seen the description of the podcast 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:23.040 before you downloaded it. But one of my favorite all 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.440 time sports radio see. If if you were to say, 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.640 and I don't do Mount Rushmore, that's Gascon. I don't know, hi, 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.840 Mount Rushmore. But at the very top you've got guys 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:36.040 like Tony Bruno, Hack Saw Hamilton's and this guy, the 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:41.440 great Peter Brown. Now I first heard Peter Brown on 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.840 the weekends. He was doing a show with Tony Bruno 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.360 and Chuck Wilson, and it was one of the great 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:50.560 radio shows in sports talk of all times, a weekend show, 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.320 and I loved it so much. And I was just 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:57.640 starting out my career at that time, and I was 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.600 a big fan. I thought they did amazing in radio, 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.240 and it was. It was really good, and so Peter Brown. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.399 If you don't know Peters, Peter had a very long 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:13.520 career in places like Philadelphia, Chicago, Milwaukee, worked in a 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.440 number of cities around the country and did national radio. 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:18.960 He was at One on One, which became Sporting News 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.760 Radio based out of Chicago. He did that for a 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:26.880 while and he's been out of the business for a 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.760 few years, so we haven't been able to catch up 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.200 with Peter. But he was very provocative as a host, 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:37.240 keep very strong opinions. I loved his style, his approach, 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.920 and all that he knew his onions. He knew his onions. 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.520 He didn't fake it till he made it. That that line, 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.160 fake it till you make it. He didn't do that 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.680 at all, and he would attack the sacred cows of 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.400 sports and all that it was. It was really enjoyable 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.200 to listen to him, and our paths actually briefly crossed. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.200 I met Peter for the first time. I've been a 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.560 fan of his for a long time. But Fox Sports 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.520 Radio brought Peter Brown out and he had a try 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.840 out for one of the day parts. And I told 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.040 the boss at the time, I said, you gotta hire 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.400 this guy. This guy is better than anybody we have. 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.600 And of course they didn't listen to me. Uh and 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:15.200 Peter never never got the gig. But I'm excited, so 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.560 let's let's give it up now. A long time sports 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.480 radio legend, one of the fore fathers of syndicated sports 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:25.120 talk radio, the great Peter Brown, joining us on the 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:29.279 fifth Hour with Ben Maller and David Gascon and Peter, 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:31.440 why don't we start with this? What have you been 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:35.640 up to? My man? I'm a real good, tremendous glass artist. 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.400 Now I've always been good at it, you know, and 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.839 then I always did it when I was working in radio, 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.280 but now I do it full time, you know. Unfortunately, 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.760 do the pandemic it's you know, created no art shows. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:47.800 But I go around the country to art show and 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.400 art show and art show and tell yes, well, it 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.240 seems like a good transition when you've had a good 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.200 career in sports radio. I think that's what most people 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.120 are going to be doing, right when they leave the business, 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.600 you start making art, I would hope so for goodness sake, 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.520 So because it gives you some sort of you know, 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.080 nobody argues you see when when they buy something. That's 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.640 the difference. Yeah. Well, and really sports talk radios art 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.599 as well, Peter. And when you did it, that's true, 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:13.240 and that's what it was. You know, it was a 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.120 creative outlet. You know. Look when you do this, yeah, 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.400 I know the nonsense about you work all day long 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.440 and you're looking up stuff, but let's be real, you 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.040 work in the four hours that you're actually on the air. 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.280 So the other time I had to do something. So 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.680 that gave me a creative outlet, and then I got 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:32.640 really good at that um and that decided to become 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.040 full time because look, I don't want to move all 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.000 around the country. I'm I'm too old for that. Crep. 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.159 Well you you did though you lived in didn't you 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.320 live in like Cleveland, and yeah, when I was young, 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.359 and when I was when I was you know, without 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.599 two kids. I mean when when we decided to part 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:53.560 company at Yahoo Boys Sporting, I think it was Yahoo. 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.000 When I left, they were in Houston, and they wanted 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:57.920 me to move to Houston. They wanted all their people 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.240 in Houston. And I was still living in Chicago and 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.599 I had two kids that we're you know, we're in 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.040 high school, and I you know, I don't want to 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.320 move one more time. Besides, with all the crap I 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.279 have accumulated over the years, it would take years for 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.920 me to move. I'd be too old to walk by 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.120 the time I got a rithing boxed up. So you know, 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.120 enough already, I I educated the public for thirty years. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.640 Enough now it's your turn, well under staying. But now 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.159 you're a hoarder, Peter, do you wanna? Is there a confessional? 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.240 You know, in a in a kind of scary way. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.440 You know What's funny though, when I do watch Hoarders 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.040 is kind of the time I do clean the house 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.080 because it does make you feel like God, I don't 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.960 want to be like that. I really don't. Yeah, now 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.400 for those and I was telling some people were gonna 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.800 have you on. I was a huge fan Peter of you. 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:44.760 I thought you were were you are you are, then 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.960 you are the closest thing to Peter Brown. I mean, 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:49.800 I gotta be honest. And for people that don't know, 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.719 let me just let me just reiterate here that you 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.800 are getting one of the premier talk shows in the 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.800 country in Ben Mueller, because you are genuine. And that's 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:02.479 my argument about every anything, is that most of these guys, 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.360 whether it's Jim Wrong or all these other Putson's, they're 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.800 all fake. They're not that well off the air, and 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.160 they don't give you their true feelings. They make it up. 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:12.760 You don't make it up. What you say is what 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:14.640 you believe. And that was something that I always did, 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.560 and I always thought that's why you and I had 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.040 a connection. So I'm glad in a way that you 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.440 were continuing on the legacy because they ain't too many 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.240 of us left. I got news for you. Yeah, no, 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.040 I I used to listen you did that. I first 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.640 heard you You're on ESPN with Bruno and Chuck Wilson, 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.440 and that was that was an amazing show. And I 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.000 guess I'm dating myself, but that was like the first 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:39.320 really main syndicated sports So you guys were on the weekends, right, 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.160 you would did a really love the first I mean 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:44.360 it was the ESPN's first show. I mean they brought in, 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.840 you know, they had Tony and they head Chuck, and 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.320 they brought in thousands of guys and they just couldn't 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.440 get any chemistry going. And then I came in to 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.680 do a week just to sort of try it out, 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.680 and I kept coming back and then eventually they gave 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:58.400 me a job like to like three weeks. Because the 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.200 three of us had tremend this chemistry and the show. 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.000 We each brought something different to the table. I mean, 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.840 Tony was the joke store, Chuck was the you know, 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.560 paper killer because he would be you know, everything had 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:13.080 to be historically accurate. And then I gave the opinions 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.040 and that's why it works so well. And I think that, 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.360 you know, again, that show, I don't think we'll ever 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:20.640 be reproduced in my opinion, and I don't you know, look, 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.559 I've done a million shows, You've done a million shows. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.520 That was the finest show ever produced and put together 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.400 by some of the finest people. Yeah, and you guys 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.520 had great guests on and yeah, you know, not that 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.559 people necessarily tune in for the guests, but you you 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.680 guys were going back and forth and it didn't seem 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:36.599 you know the thing for me, when I listen to 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.880 a radio show sometimes it just drags, you know, there's 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.480 no move to it. And you guys, it never was 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.360 like that. And I tried to do that with my 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.200 stuff on the overnight. I try to make it go 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.920 as quickly as again, because you know you do and 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.600 you know it again, it has to be entertaining, it 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.560 has to it has to be accurate, it has to 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.920 be entertaining, and you have to be enghosted it. And 0:08:56.120 --> 0:09:00.400 but we did seven hours Saturday and Sunday, and I mean, 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.000 I know, Tony would would drive up from Philadelphia. I 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.440 would fly Saturday morning from Chicago. And then at that 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.320 point I was doing seven days a week because I 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.800 was doing local afternoons in Chicago. So I mean, you know, 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:13.640 for us to do seven hours and to make it 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.880 go like that and to make it good on that 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.240 kind of tiredness, it's because that's who we were, I mean, 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.160 and that's the key. It's being genuine. I mean, the 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.800 grades of radio. Every one of them, whether it's Howard Stirn, 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.360 whether it's you know, it doesn't matter. What's even a 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.679 Rushla who I'm not a big fan of. At least 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.079 it's I'm honest, and it's genuine. It's not an act. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:39.040 And that's the most important thing. Yeah. And now you 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.480 said you're doing our Obviously you're not doing our. You 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.560 you do, you make enough money feed where you're like, 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.600 I don't need to do this anymore. I mean, I 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:47.160 mean I made it. Look at why I was. I 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:50.640 was working here radio during the stupid time, a radio 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.440 when you made stupid money when you know some of 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:58.000 the figures that I made for working weekends should be illegal. Um. 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.199 You know, I have some good investments. I it's a 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:04.199 really decent years gambling, which is always good. I still givable. 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:08.600 So I mean that money comes in, um, and you know, 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.800 like any other bom, I live off my wife most 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:12.560 of the time. That's a good move. I want you 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.520 to know, Peter, it's the great move the radio business. 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.920 I am. I can work at Burger King and probably 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.679 make about as much money as I'm that's Onnay, that's 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.160 it totally. It's a totally different business. And you know 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.160 that injured into it too. I mean, yeah, because I 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.280 have continued on somewhere, absolutely, but I didn't like the 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.679 direction it's going. I surely don't like the direction that's 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.240 going now. I mean, for goodness sakes, I wouldn't last 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.880 five minutes um on the radio with the way I'm on, 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:39.640 you know what I mean. And I think that's a 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.440 terrible way that this business has become. I mean, the 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.400 fact that you've been able to survive, I think it 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.240 is a credit to you because it's a it's a 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.400 miracle these days. Yeah, I want to talk about that because, yeah, 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.400 you guys have so much more freedom. And I got 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.760 in and I felt like when I first started, I 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:56.720 could say what I really want to say. I still 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.439 say what I want to say, but I'm on overnight, 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.000 so my bosses are sleeping when I'm talking, so I 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.880 don't already. Yeah, I couldn't handle another meeting of can 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.240 I see a second? I no, no, because it would 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.439 be everything. Yeah, that's the worst part, right when you're 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.120 doing a show and you're you get done with the 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.440 show and then you get that message, that email or 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.240 the text like hey can you come in and I 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.120 gotta talk to you about something. It's like it was 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.959 never to ask for a contract EXTENTI eight million dollars. 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.960 That never happened. That why yeah? And the other thing 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.360 you mentioned, the gambling, that was one thing I was. 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.680 I love listen to you, but I could tell and 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:29.480 I'm a gambler a little bit to him. I'm not 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.480 as prolific as you, but I when I bet on 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.760 a game and I things don't go right, you could 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.320 tell when you were doing a rant, uh where your 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.200 money was on the game, right? Actually, yeah, I mean 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.280 I made I made Grant Mutzburger with the team because 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:44.880 you can always tell when Brant had it, you know, 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:46.720 like you all of a sudden, his voice would go down. 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.480 Another buck eye touched you, like do you know who 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.720 we had? And then that's fine, But it was it was, look, 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:57.080 we gambling. People were talking about gambling persona long grato 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.440 when I started. I mean two things that I did 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.840 that where I got yelled at on a regular basis 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.520 gambling and fantasy football. And now there are the two 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.240 biggest things on radio. I mean, I'm it's hysterical to 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.000 me when I see that, Like the NFL Brought to 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.160 you by Fan duel. I mean it freaks me out 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.080 when I see that. No, yeah, man, the wouldn't even 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.079 put the point spread for a while. They wouldn't talk 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.760 about I mean points were what's that? I mean when 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.319 I would say, gee, that's a really really important touchdown 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.800 because if they get back door, I mean I would 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:27.400 get yelled at, how dare you change the thing? That's great? 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.120 And you still you're still gambling, You're still winning, You're 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.360 still making some money on that. Yes, I have some 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.719 moments that's funny though. I mean in all, in my 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:38.560 long bedding career, which now spans forty years, probably more 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.240 than that forty five years. Um, when I was a kid, 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.559 I used to bring the gambling parlay tickets to school 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.800 in kindergarten and you know, get in trouble that way. 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:50.080 But um, you know, I still to this day do 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.360 not do well the first two weeks of the season 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:54.880 and the last two weeks of the season. I do 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:56.880 really well in the middle because I have something to 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.280 go by, So like I'm right in my hate like 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.080 startings week, I'm really now I'm in a group, so 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.680 I'm okay. I'm actually the same way like the first part, 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.520 especially this year, because there's nothing, nothing at all with 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.199 no training, you know, no practice games, none of that stuff. 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.920 So he had nothing. And uh, although I didn't do 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.600 that great last week either picking the games, but you 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.439 know I had a good week or because they're like, okay, 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.800 so now I know what Tom Brady can do. I 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.040 know what you know Kansas State can do. I know 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.760 because i've seen them play. Well, I haven't seen them play. 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.360 You know, I'm going on who's the more experienced team, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.760 who's the most the team that jels the most. Also, 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:37.680 to the lines sort of even out. Not only does 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:40.640 the lines, Maaker sort of get into a groove as well, 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.680 So at least I can understand what he's doing and 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.240 what he's going through in making his decisions. And I'm 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.840 a favorite player, so I need to see teams in 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.640 the group. I can't take these twenty nine points and 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.880 now at the three point game with three minutes left. See, 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.880 I'm the other way. I genuinely lean to the dogs. 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.280 I like betting at the underdogs, and so that you know, 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.560 that makes it even there's so many terror teams in 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.960 the NFL and in the quarterbacks at brutal and you're 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.839 out here bet on underdogs and you're depending on the 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.600 fourth quarterback door cover and these guys can't complete a 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.160 three yard out. You know, it is terrible. No, absolutely 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.400 made it in from a favorite standpoint too. You have 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:20.080 to figure out, okay, which coaches, let's say, in college 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.640 per se, which coaches want to help the alumni. You know, 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:27.040 he was Burier Um Tom Osborne. They were great at that. 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:28.960 I mean they knew if they were up thirty in 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:30.520 the line, with thirty five, they were gold to that 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.200 last touch and that was going kneeling down at the 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.920 five yard line with three minutes left because they knew 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.640 that their salaries were based on the alumni. If you 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.840 made the alumni happy, then you made everybody happy. Well 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.480 you know, I mean Will must champer us week kicking 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.360 a field goal down seven points with three minutes left. 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.160 I mean, come on, you know wh I know what 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.200 we was doing, only I had Tennessee. So I'm not 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.720 a little happy with the game Cocks right now. No understand, 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.000 it's completely reasonable not to be happy. But I want 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:57.680 to go back here to you when you're doing the radio, 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.600 what was the biggest beef that you had with a 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:01.960 coach through a player? Was there one that stands out 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.800 that you just got into it, and that was that 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.800 was the defining moment of you battling with an athlete 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.760 or a coach. I mean I battled with maybe I 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.360 like I in fairness and and I guess I have 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.240 to apologize that doad Blue Sweede because he's had some success. 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.600 But there was a time there, you know, when they 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.160 didn't have the right defensive coordinator and you know, they 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:23.440 would win and then somehow they would lose to like 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.520 Georgia Tech ten nine or something some ridiculous thing. You know, 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:28.880 Georgia does that a lot too, Like they win all 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:30.600 their games in the East and then they lose to 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.800 like Arkansas, like for no reason. And I would constantly 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.400 bad mouth Cossons for not doing the right thing by 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.600 not going out and blowing out teams. Or you know, 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.240 I got to do a fight with uh mac Brown 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.800 because he was playing when he when he was in 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.520 Texas and I wanted to talk about the Oklahoma game, 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.320 which was the next week, and he just didn't want 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.760 to talk about it. I'm like, it's next week, you know, 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.240 like you can't not talk about it. Go. And then 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:55.840 there are guys who just never want to come on 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.280 with me that that we know that that's a guaranteed 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:00.840 you know, success rates when you know that they're coaches 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.480 that won't do anything with you. Well, Peter, I love. 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:05.280 I was follow up on that because I don't do 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.040 interviews really on the overnight because the time and all that. 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.160 But when I've had it, had guys on in the past, 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.320 when when athletes are coaching, I don't want to talk 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.440 about that, you know, I'm, uh, what's the point of 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.840 doing an interview. You don't decide what you're gonna talk about. 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.480 That's not how this works, right theater exactly? That would 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:22.440 and I would say, well, I want to talk about it. 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:23.840 I don't care what you don't want to talk about. 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:25.280 I want to talk about it, you know. And some 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.280 of the great questions, you know a lot of them 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.280 aren't even you know, actually related to their sports because 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.040 they really like that. Like I remember having Reggie Bush 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:39.680 on the night that Kim Kim Kardashian's wedding and I 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.520 just answered if he was gonna go and he said no, 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:43.840 he said, my mother's going. I said, what did you 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.840 get her? Like? Things like that, like and because that's 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.520 the nowadays, I don't know if you just don't get 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:51.160 the same kind of interviews, you don't get the same 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.840 kind of insight that you used to get because you know, look, 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.360 in reality, the guys who asked the questions don't really 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.000 want to know the answers. If Peter, have you had 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.400 any dust steps with media personalities that you can you 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:03.320 can talk about now? Oh yeah, yeah, I mean don't 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:08.480 have more local although I know that when when um 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.399 I was still at the FTN, but I also was 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.919 working in Chicago and Eric Kramer was the quarterback of 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.479 the Pears, and nobody got that Eric Kramer more than 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.840 I did. I mean, I just butchered this guy. So 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:22.240 here we go. We go to the super Bowl. It's 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.399 in Tampa, and it's just I think it's just me 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.320 and Tony Chuck didn't go. We're sitting at the table 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.080 and the producers knew none of this that like Eric Eric, 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.520 Eric wanted to kill me. I mean, like really seriously 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.560 literally kill me. And I know I was either turning 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.439 away and all of a sudden the segment starts and 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:44.520 who's sitting across with me, Eric Kramer, and he really 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:46.600 wanted to jump over the table, like Tony had to 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.400 stop him from going after me. That's pretty that's pretty soft. 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:52.439 Now have you done anything like nationally though, like you 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.679 you've taken shots at media personalities nationally that you've no 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:58.680 I deal. I used because you don't see anybody, you 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.000 know when you're national. You don't we see anybody you 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:02.840 know that you would see them at the Final Four, 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:05.840 or you would see them at at you know, like 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.399 the Super Bowl or World Series, let's say, but you 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.720 don't see them on a regular basis as opposed to 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.720 when you do when you see a local guy. I mean, 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.440 you know, I mean I I mean because again, I 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.199 always thought one of the big issues was if you 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.359 were gonna say something about a guy on the radio 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.800 and then you saw him in person, you damn well 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.439 better ask him when he's in prison. And that was 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.600 the thing with Brian Urlacker. We were in Lawrence for 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.840 the Rams and Paget Super Bowl, and I always said 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:34.760 about her Lacker that the reason why he was such 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.360 a great linebacker and made so many tackles is too 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.560 full one. He had two fat guys in front of 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.879 him and Ted Washington, okay, who funnels everything his way, 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.960 and he had no responsibility the only responsibility he had 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.840