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Speaker 1: Ben Maller starts right now. That it does, we are

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Speaker 1: in the air everywhere the power of podcasting. We thank

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Speaker 1: Hour podcast because four hours on the overnight clearly not enough,

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Speaker 1: the UH in the happy confines of of our podcasting. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: If you don't know Peters, Peter had a very long

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Speaker 1: it's it's gotta be the written word, right versus the

427
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Speaker 1: spoken word. The power of that, and people just get

428
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Speaker 1: worked into a lather over everything on Twitter. It's insane.

429
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 1: Well there's those are more rack jobs on Twitter too,

430
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 1: you gotta remember. I mean, look, if you're assuming that

431
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Speaker 1: that the Twitter people are callers, Okay, that's the caller

432
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Speaker 1: that you know, like doesn't have any idea what you're

433
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Speaker 1: talking about currently and just kind of says or Brady,

434
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Speaker 1: I think he sucks, you know what I mean? Like

435
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Speaker 1: that's eventssentially the Twitter of guy. Yeah, exactly. And but

436
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,399
Speaker 1: then you know, I mean, like I said, people just

437
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 1: read that stuff over and over, and then you've also

438
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 1: got you know, there's a lot of there's not as

439
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 1: many people on Twitter as people think. No, and if

440
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 1: the Cancel culture group, I mean, look, you want to

441
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Speaker 1: feel important, go ahead, you know, they cancel somebody or

442
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 1: you want to feel big, you know, tell them on

443
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 1: Twitter and then retweet it to all your friends and

444
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 1: then it takes out a life of its own. And

445
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 1: that's not the way that's Look, that's not the way

446
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 1: free speech works. Okay. You know, I know everybody says, all, well,

447
00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 1: free speech and and it's against the government and all that. No, No,

448
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 1: free speech is a free circling, you know, circulation of ideas.

449
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 1: That's what free speech means. And for guys on the radio,

450
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 1: guys like you and me, we have to have that freedom.

451
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: If you don't have that freedom, then you know what

452
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: you're you're a and that genuine and B you're basically

453
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 1: sitting there worrying about everything you say. And I can't

454
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Speaker 1: work like that. Yeah, that's the way it is. All

455
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Speaker 1: it takes is one person, as you know, to hear

456
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: something I'm offended, oh my, and you got to apologize

457
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 1: and the whole thing. And they circled the way. And

458
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 1: it's not my game. Close to that is when when

459
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: I remember when the Pacers played the Knicks at Madisons

460
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Speaker 1: where Garden, it was Game seven, you know, and of

461
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 1: course I always felt like the league needed a team

462
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: to be there, and they certainly didn't want San Antonio

463
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Speaker 1: and Indiana in a strike short and season to be

464
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Speaker 1: in the NBA Finals. The times out Game seven, the

465
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Speaker 1: Knicks shoot like forty five free throws in the pager

466
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Speaker 1: shoot like pen Okay. So I came up the next

467
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Speaker 1: day and said, and it wasn't me. Actually was Larry Bird,

468
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Speaker 1: the coach of the Pacers, who said he thought that

469
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Speaker 1: there was something funny going on, okay, And I reiterated

470
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Speaker 1: that and said, see this proves my point that the

471
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Speaker 1: NBA screws with free throws in order to determine a winner.

472
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Speaker 1: Well that I'm supposed to go to San Antonio for

473
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Speaker 1: the NBA Finals to do my show, and I get

474
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Speaker 1: one of those can I see you a second? And

475
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: my generalmanager tells me that David Stearns office has called

476
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Speaker 1: and are filing a ten million dollar libel suit against me.

477
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, first of all, go ahead, I don't have

478
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Speaker 1: ten million dollars. If he wants to ten bucks, I

479
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: got my pocket. He's welcome to it. But I had

480
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Speaker 1: to go to San Antonio and I had to I apologize.

481
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Speaker 1: But I was like, maybe the first of those non

482
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Speaker 1: apology of teeth. Yeah, you know, I shouldn't have said that,

483
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: but you know, kind of one of those things. So

484
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Speaker 1: you get when you find this out, are you are

485
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Speaker 1: you freaking out? You're laughing? You're like, I was, well

486
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Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. One, I was totally thinking

487
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Speaker 1: out because you know, a typical radio broadcasting fashion, you know,

488
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Speaker 1: my my broadcasting partner that people I work for and

489
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Speaker 1: left me like a hot potato. It's on You're not

490
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Speaker 1: on us, you know. I mean, I knew they had

491
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Speaker 1: my back, and so I called my agent right away.

492
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Speaker 1: And what turns out that my agent and David Stern

493
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: are really good friends. That turned out it wasn't so

494
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Speaker 1: bad in the long run, that he was just pissed

495
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: and that you know, if I just apologize, that would

496
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Speaker 1: have been good enough. So what I think that my

497
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Speaker 1: graduate of the final so I guess he still was

498
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Speaker 1: okay with it. Well that's good though. But the the NBA,

499
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: going back to when did this start the early eighties,

500
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: you media that everything the Bulls or the Knicks or

501
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, because again those of the two major cities

502
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: and you never saw Indiana or Sacramento, you know, those

503
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: teams would always lose somehow, and you know, and again

504
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: it was part part truth and part over exaggeration. But

505
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Speaker 1: I mean it seems Tony that did Bulls and the

506
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: Pistons and the Knicks and the Celtics and the Lakers,

507
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: all the big markets, all the top ten TV markets

508
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: always seemed to be in the finals. You know, I

509
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Speaker 1: means the same people don't think that that. You know,

510
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Speaker 1: the corner of the draft card envelope was folded so

511
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Speaker 1: that David Bushire could get Patrick Ewing. You know, I mean,

512
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Speaker 1: how did that always happen? How did how did a

513
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Speaker 1: new franchise like Charlotte, where the India really really wanted

514
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Speaker 1: to put a franchise with rapid basketball fans, yet along

515
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Speaker 1: Jill Morning and Larry Johnson in the same draft. Yeah, yeah,

516
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: well maybe it's got a sitting roote for you and

517
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Speaker 1: you couldn't ignore it. Well. The other thing two, I

518
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Speaker 1: feel like they have changed. I talked about this is

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Speaker 1: the Laker game with Miami game one of the finals,

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Speaker 1: uh the other night, and and and so what they

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Speaker 1: do is like the Lakers were down by thirteen early

522
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Speaker 1: in the game, they weren't playing well, the Heat were

523
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: playing very well, and all of a sudden for that

524
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Speaker 1: from the four minute mark of the first quarter till halftime,

525
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: every fifty fifty call, every close call. They it was

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Speaker 1: a parade to the foul line for the Lakers until

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Speaker 1: they got their legs under him, and then you know,

528
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Speaker 1: the game was by that point, it was over because

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Speaker 1: the heat. I hope they'll probably had the core incident.

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Speaker 1: But how many core incidents? Can you laugh? You know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it could be a coincidence, you know what I mean, yes,

532
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Speaker 1: and you know probably just happened. Explain explaining to me,

533
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Speaker 1: how is it that every NBA except the last night,

534
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: of course, but the first game one of the pills.

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Speaker 1: How did every game where you have a thirty point

536
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Speaker 1: at twenty point come down to a two point game

537
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Speaker 1: in the last two minutes? Fascinating? How that it's it's

538
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Speaker 1: almost I wish you could bet that I did a millionaire. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Uh,

539
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: you bet on the NBA. You stay away from it

540
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: because no, I don't like the NBA, and I really

541
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: really don't like baseball. I had to because remember it

542
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: was the first thing back after the pandemic. And nothing

543
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: upsets me more. Again, nothing upsets me more than than

544
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: like late two hundred fifty dollars on Garrett Cole, and

545
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: then some guys who were basically one nothing game, and

546
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: then some guy who's gonna be telling insurance next year.

547
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: I have toured fills in this clown. We can't get

548
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 1: a strike. Now, I'm furious, you know what I mean.

549
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: If these guys pitched nine innings, I would like baseball better. Yeah.

550
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: I remember one year, Peter, I had this brilliant idea.

551
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: I always I bet underdogs, but then I was like,

552
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Speaker 1: you know, this was black when Pedro and Randy Johnson

553
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Speaker 1: were domind be baseball. So I had this theory and

554
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: I always, as I remembered it, in April, these guys

555
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: always seem to get off to like six seven and

556
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: those starts, you know, in the first they so I

557
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: figured I'll just bet on them, right, you know, I'll

558
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: lay the juice in this big, big number minus three

559
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: hundred whatever, and I'd lay it and they lose the

560
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Speaker 1: case and I would get bird. I lost so much

561
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Speaker 1: money that I did the entire month of April. Something

562
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: was like in the late nineties, early two thousands, and

563
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: I got I got destroyed because I didn't think I

564
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Speaker 1: did like I didn't think this year that I thought

565
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Speaker 1: for sure, and I didn't do it. But like the

566
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Speaker 1: Dodgers are so good, they like never lose, so like

567
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Speaker 1: my thought was, I just met them every day, all

568
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: sixty games and see what happens at the end. I

569
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: never did it, but I probably would have won one

570
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: money because they never lost. But they just you know,

571
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: I mean, like they never lose. Like, but I don't

572
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: want some guy who like I've never heard of before,

573
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: who like just got out of Albuquerque, who's now pitching

574
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Speaker 1: the seventh inning in a to one game because some

575
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: guy thought he had too a pitch count. Like, if

576
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna bet walker viewer for three hours, I want

577
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: to make sure that he's in there long enough to

578
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: look like he has an impact on the game. Yeah, well,

579
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: the other thing you did, you met the first five innings,

580
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: so you bet the first five, and but I can't

581
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: take I meant your first five. I'm usually asleep for

582
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: the first five, like I football like a game also too,

583
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't like the fact that in baseball, when you

584
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: bet a team, you don't have to watch like the

585
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: your your half, Like you could just see how many

586
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: how many runsday scores. Yeah, well, nothing that can happen

587
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: when you're up except that. Now I assume you're this

588
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: you actually watch these games. But I've known guys the game,

589
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: but they don't even watch the games. They just put

590
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: the bet, they go. I have trouble sometimes because look,

591
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm not a young man anymore. You know, my blood

592
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: pasture can't take this kind of crap again. Look like

593
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: South Carolina kicking a field goal with three minutes west

594
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: in a in a seven point game, like I can't.

595
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: I can't watch that. I'll kill I'll break TVs. I

596
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: can't do that. I love it. I'm gonna go back

597
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: to the radio stuff. You did local, you you were successful. Local,

598
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: you did in national in Chicago it's sporting news and

599
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: one on one and everything else they call that and network.

600
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: So what what did you like more? Did you like

601
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: the national stuff for the local stuff more? Well, I

602
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: would only like the national stuff more. I mean, I mean,

603
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: because look, you had a million different topics. I mean,

604
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: because that's to be honest about this, and people don't

605
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: know this. You know this, and I know this, but

606
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: most people don't. This is a really hard job. I mean,

607
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: just you know, you look first of all you and I,

608
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: by the way, I like the last of the real

609
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: heroes of this profession. Because we do it alone. You

610
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: get too many single shows. I mean, the only show

611
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: that that I did that was a team, so to speak,

612
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: was Chuck and Tony and I. And that's because it

613
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: was seven hours and because it wasn't a giggle fest

614
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: like every local show is today, where I'm gonna tell

615
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: a joke, then you're gonna tell a joke, then I'm

616
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: gonna try to one up your jokes. Like That's not

617
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: how I run a radio show. So you have to

618
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: come up with a topic all the time. It national,

619
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Speaker 1: it's a lot easier because you can talk about the Patriots,

620
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 1: and you can talk about the Cowboys, and you can

621
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: talk I mean, you weren't sort of relying on something

622
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: happening in your area. And as as was once stole

623
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: to me by the great Howard Epskin is in Philadelphia,

624
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: is that we earned our money from February to June. Okay,

625
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: when football training camp starts. You know, my little kids

626
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: could do it from September to me. Hey, we're talking

627
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: about football today. I mean, how hard is that? I

628
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: want to day you from during those dog days of February.

629
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: I got a Tuesday, um, and you got to generate calls.

630
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: I got newsball. You're working properm you know, let's not

631
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: just sit down and open the phone line. Well, and

632
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: how would let me ask, how would you, the great

633
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: Peter Brown, if we went a hundred and thirty four

634
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: days here during the Apocalypse without any sports? There were

635
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: no as you know, there were no games for a

636
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Speaker 1: hundred and and we had to do the show every night,

637
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: and it was that is I always remember during All

638
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Speaker 1: Star Week, Peter, wouldn't everyone take off the All Star

639
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: weekend Baseball right ety Monday and somehow after the All

640
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: Star Game, because like I would, I would. We usually

641
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: did the show from the All Star gument. That's another

642
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: thing too, when you're national, you go to events like that.

643
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: We went to like five or sixth straight All Star Games.

644
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: We went to the Super Bowl every year, you know

645
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: what I mean, So like big events we were at.

646
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: So it made it a little bit easier. If you know,

647
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: if your local and your team is not in it,

648
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: do you really care? I mean you're gonna watch on

649
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: a Sunday, but you're not really going to care that

650
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: much on Friday who win, you know. I mean you

651
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: can't do like three hours on who's gonna win the

652
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: Super bowlers nobody cares no the hundred thirty four days

653
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: or whatever that this year. I my hat's off to

654
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: anybody who you know a who did it alone, because

655
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: with another person it's just you're just joking around and

656
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: killing time. Anyway. I mean, look, teams killed time. Let's

657
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: be honest about this. I mean, if you have two

658
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: at two million booth, the two man radio deal, you're

659
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: just killing times. You're like, oh, it's one o'clock. Then

660
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: at flatherclock. If you're doing it alone, then you're relying

661
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: on phone calls, and you're relying on the games, and

662
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: you're relying on you know, somebody biting somebody or something,

663
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: you know. I mean that's when you're really working. Without that,

664
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: you're flying solo. Tell I mean you're out there on

665
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: your own and at that would not have been easy.

666
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: I will tell you that. And Peter, I mean, besides

667
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: the authenticity you mentioned that earlier, what else what else

668
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: do you feel is is lacking right now? Either in

669
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: local or national sports talk radio, we maybe gives the crap.

670
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: Who's any good? I mean That's what makes you so

671
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: good is that I know every day, okay, that you

672
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: go in saying I want this to be a good show.

673
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a good listen, I wanted to

674
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: be popular. I wanted to be entertaining. And you make

675
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: it in your head, well, I'd better do this to

676
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: make an arytating or jee. It's not entertaining in the

677
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: first fifteen minutes. I'd better. I better bust my ass

678
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: and do better. Most of these guys could kill us.

679
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: They are there to pick up a paycheck, and they're

680
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: there to get from one o'clock to four o'clock and

681
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: from Monday to Friday. And that was it. I mean,

682
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: that's all they care about. And and and look, let's

683
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: be honest. Other than yourself and a couple of other guys,

684
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: most people doing it have never done it before. Okay,

685
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: they didn't work in their station, they didn't work in Idaho,

686
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: they didn't work and you know in su say Marie,

687
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: they were interns or were producers, and then all of

688
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: a sudden they went and said, okay, fine, we're doing

689
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: a show now. Because you make three dollars, you're gonna

690
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: do a show. Well, what talent do you have doing

691
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: It's like me playing in the Super Bowl. I've never

692
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: played football before, so why should I play in the

693
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: super Bowl? Yeah? Any and I'm sure you had this.

694
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: And not to name any names, but some of these

695
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: athletes come in and do this, and it's just that

696
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: they don't put any work and do it. They just

697
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: wanted because I played the game and I can tell

698
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: you still and it's just horrible. It's horrid. Radio mode.

699
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: The original guy, the original guys were the newspaper guys.

700
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: They were the first infringement on radio talent. Okay, because

701
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: let's be honest, they decided that the station was decided,

702
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: and networks decided, let's see, newspaper guys already get paid,

703
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: so they have to put them half. And gee, guess what,

704
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: they also have benefits, so I don't have to give

705
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: the benefits. And these guys were more interested in doing

706
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: their column. Then they weren't doing a radio The radio

707
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: show took the place of doing work on the column

708
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: and they weren't about to do that. And then the

709
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: athletes came in because they were rea cheaper. So I mean,

710
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: it became a money issue, not a quality issue. And

711
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: radio right now is not a quality issue. It is

712
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: a money issue. And if if you make what they

713
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: think you should make, which is usually pittance, guess what

714
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: you're hired. If you they don't ask you to have

715
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: any talent. The ball players don't have any talented I mean,

716
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: like Coastell said, it's a jockocracy. I mean, we're so

717
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: ecstatic at Tony Romo because we found an athlete that

718
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: really has a clue as to what he's doing. Peter,

719
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: what's your what's your favorite time slot, whether it's morning, afternoon,

720
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: or night time. I like that, dude. I'm not really

721
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: an early early morning person, so like, and I did

722
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: it when I was in the Orleans. I did it

723
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: for a while and I just never got used to

724
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: it ever, Like I could never like I would nap

725
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: and then my whole day will be stroyed. So that

726
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: was out. I like doing mid days may days. You know,

727
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: there was a time when it was me against corn

728
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: Isser and Rome and that was kind of fun because

729
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: he read Battle for Affiliates and it was kind of

730
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: a good battle. And the afternoon to the best because

731
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: you're getting people on their way home from work and

732
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: you know they're they're thinking about and it told the chance.

733
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: If you're a guy in a car, you know you're

734
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: gonna get that honey, how was your day conversation? So

735
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: this is a way to get what you want to

736
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: talk about out. So you knew you were gonna call

737
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: on your way home because you usually start to traffic

738
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: get it anyway, So without a doubt, I mean, afternoon

739
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: drive was my favorite, without a question. Now, Peter, when

740
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: you were starting, I know you were, I didn't know

741
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: you worked in New Orleance. How many cities did you

742
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: work in on your way up the ladder? And radio

743
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: really always the real four as you kept Chicago. But

744
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: I only got Chicago because I was doing ESPN at

745
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: the time and I would happen to be living here. Um,

746
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: I worked in New Orleans when I graduated from to

747
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: Lane University, so I was already in New Orleans and

748
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: then I worked like when I was a junior in college.

749
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: They were starting a station in New Orleans and I

750
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: they I went in said, look, I can do a

751
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: sports show, and they gave me the sport show that

752
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: to me back in the old days, to show how

753
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: old I am and how long ago it was. That's

754
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: when you had commercials on carts. Okay, if people look

755
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: in the archives of life, go back and look at

756
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: eight track, and you'll see that's how commercials are run. Okay,

757
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: that's how long ago it was. And then I went.

758
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: I was there. I was in the Williams for two years,

759
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: and I graduated and the Eagles were in town to

760
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: play the Saints, and the late Tom Brookshire and Tim

761
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: Bibi was righting the station at w i P and

762
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: Philadelphia came in and heard the show. So I met

763
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: with them, you know, a couple of days later after

764
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: the show, you know, after the Monday night game, and

765
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: I went to work in Philadelphia one so I was

766
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: like being my pants. I'm hearing in the fifth market

767
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: of the country, one years old and I'm doing mid days,

768
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: like you know, that was a little tough for me

769
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: at the beginning. Um, and then I then I left

770
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: there and I went to Cleveland because I was already

771
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: the afternoon drive show there. So I went to Cleveland

772
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and then from Cleveland I

773
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: went to ESPN. So the while I was DFPN, I

774
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: went you know, both Chicago and FPN, and I never

775
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: did really oh well, I did Milwaukee for a little

776
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: bit because it was only an hour from my house,

777
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: so it was easy to do that. Yeah, and I started.

778
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because I I started. I was

779
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: like nineteen twenty when I started kind of doing stuff

780
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: on the side, you know, interning, working my way up,

781
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: and then I got I got a midday show in

782
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: l A when I was twenty two years old. So

783
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, and you know that, does that

784
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: shows you that you have talent? You know what I mean?

785
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: That's not a fluke, that's because you have talent and

786
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,479
Speaker 1: somebody and back in those days, they really cared about

787
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 1: such things, cared about your talent and knew you had talent,

788
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then you don't see

789
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: that anymore. Yeah, that is that is well. Hey, the

790
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: good news Peter here is that all these shows, most

791
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: of them are coming from people's houses. So if you

792
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: really wanted to get back in the business and make

793
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: no money, you could do it from your house. So

794
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: they'd set you up and you know, and I would

795
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: do that. I'd like to be honestly, I don't need

796
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: the money, okay, So for me, I'm actually the perfect

797
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: candidate right now. All of these people because I'd be

798
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 1: willing to do it, okay, and I don't need the money,

799
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: you know, I mean's not gonna feed my family anymore

800
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: like it was when I was younger, you know. I

801
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: mean those days you'd battle for contracts. You know, you'd

802
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: be like, no, five do and that's not enough more

803
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: I need to you know now, I don't even care,

804
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: just like enough to not insult me and we'll go

805
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: home and we'll I'll do it. I have no problem

806
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: with that whatsoever. Well, I'm not gonna go search it,

807
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: you know what i mean. It's kind of like a

808
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: double edged sword. I'm kind of lazy, you know what

809
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm kind of a lazy bester. So I

810
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: mean I'm kind of like, I'm not gonna go search

811
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: you down. I was somewhere to ask. I certainly would

812
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: do it, and I want you to know, Peter, what

813
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: I was so excited when I found out you came

814
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: out to Fox Sports Radio. You did some shows at

815
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, and I I went in and told

816
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: those idiots, I said, you gotta hire this guy. This

817
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: guy's great. I was ready to go. I was totally

818
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: ready to go. I mean, I don't know what to

819
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: be honest, I have no idea what happened, but that

820
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: was a strange time. They remember, No, you were amazing,

821
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: and of course I'm a I'm a fan, but compared

822
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 1: to compared to the other people that they had brought in,

823
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: and I was like, why didn't what are you doing?

824
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: You know it's not this is not brain surgery. You're

825
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: just hire the guy. But I don't know what. It

826
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: was a strange dealing. It was run by a strange

827
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: guy who was no longer with us UM and it

828
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: was it was yeah, it was a whole bizarre situation.

829
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 1: And then then I was going to go back there.

830
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: And then they brought in two guys and they lasted

831
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: like a week, I think because they were annoying and

832
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: I knew they were annoying. And then they try to

833
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: put me with another guy who I refused to work

834
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: with because I knew he wasn't gonna last long, and

835
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: he didn't, so he was kind of very odd. But

836
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: but certainly, I mean, I think Fox Sports Radio, for

837
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: all the look for all the people that have been

838
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: doing this, I think they do a really good job.

839
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: I really do. I mean, I think they've been able

840
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: to balance entertainment with you know, tortows that are decent

841
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: and they got some you know, look, they've got some

842
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: people that are pretty good, and I think that's important.

843
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: You've gotta have people that are good. It's about quality.

844
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: If you're not any good, it's not gonna matter. Yeah,

845
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: that is true. Well listen, we're gonna let you go.

846
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: I thank you for doing this. I'd love to have

847
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: you on again. You're great. You should somebody should hire you.

848
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: I think Fox Sports Radio should high. I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 1: You're a big marketing now for me, you need to

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Speaker 1: It's like you're making so little money that I'll thread

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Speaker 1: whatever I make with you. If you can get it done,

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Speaker 1: there you go, we'll make it out. And Peter, if

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Speaker 1: there's some guys listening, like I got an email from

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Speaker 1: a guy. Wait, what happened to Peter Brown? And why?

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Speaker 1: I'm just too lazy to change it. It says work

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Speaker 1: there forever so I don't have to worry from your

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Speaker 1: lips to God's ears. Hey, thank you, Peter, Stop stop.

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Speaker 1: I need to you know again. You are the man.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know. Look, there are a few people

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Speaker 1: I throw around compliments like manhole covers. Okay, trust me, people,

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