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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, the federal government versus Sean

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Speaker 1: Come joining us now investigative reporter Lauren Colin, star of

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Speaker 1: Pop Crime TV.

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Speaker 2: Lauren, thank you for being with us. A lot happening

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Speaker 2: in the courtroom.

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Speaker 1: First of all, direct examination of a special agent, Girard Gannon.

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Speaker 2: What happened?

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Speaker 3: We finished the direct examination of special Agent Girard Gannon.

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Speaker 3: He's with the HSI and he finished showing us all

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Speaker 3: of the evidence that was collected during the Miami raid

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Speaker 3: of Seawan Colins's house. And this is his house on

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Speaker 3: Two Star Island, and what they seized from the house.

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Speaker 3: They seized two defaced AR fifteens, and these AR fifteens.

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Speaker 4: They were separated.

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Speaker 3: We saw the the lower barrels and the upper barrels.

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Speaker 3: The upper barrels were actually they were wrapped in a

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Speaker 3: towel and the lower barrels were in a separate spot.

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Speaker 3: And the magazines were not with the lower barrels. However,

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Speaker 3: the lower magazines were loaded, both of them.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot is being made of the number

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Speaker 1: of agents at the raid, and I find that very

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Speaker 1: very disturbing. Sidney Sumner also joining US Crime Story's investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter Sydney. I understand there were dozens of federal agents at.

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Speaker 2: The raid, so what what's the issue?

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Speaker 5: Agents went in feeling like they were going to be

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Speaker 5: confronted by armed guards. That's what they thought they were

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Speaker 5: walking into when they came into this house. They specifically

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Speaker 5: waited for Combs and his family to leave before they

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Speaker 5: entered to avoid any more confrontation. They only found six

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Speaker 5: people at the home, a music producer who has not

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Speaker 5: been named, a property manager, and a few other staff members.

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Speaker 5: But they put all of those people in handcuffs to

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Speaker 5: go into the home, and there were ninety agents total

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Speaker 5: just about and they had people sitting out at the

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Speaker 5: water to make sure nobody tried to flee into the

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Speaker 5: canal right behind his home. They had to come into

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Speaker 5: this in full force, and they were right. They found

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Speaker 5: a r's with several modifications scratched off serial numbers. They

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Speaker 5: knew they were possibly coming into a firefight and prepared

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Speaker 5: for it.

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Speaker 1: The Feds even have the backside that is on the

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Speaker 1: water completely surrounded. You know what, Sidney Summer, You and

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Speaker 1: I've covered a lot of cases together when we've gone

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Speaker 1: on location and investigated a lot of cases. You know

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Speaker 1: what a gun it makes a big man little and

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Speaker 1: a little man big.

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Speaker 2: You know, let's tell it like it is.

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Speaker 1: Chris mcgunn adjoining me former homicide to detective, a star

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Speaker 1: of the Interview Room now on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Chris mcdonnaugh. You get an ar going, you get an

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Speaker 2: M sixteen going.

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Speaker 1: How many FEDS could they shoot down up thirty seconds?

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Speaker 2: Tell it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot. And that's why these operations. You know,

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Speaker 6: you start out with an OP plan and you discover

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Speaker 6: those vulnerabilities in relationship to officer safety. You know, where

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Speaker 6: do officers need to be placed and are they safe

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Speaker 6: in those positions based on the potential threats that you

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Speaker 6: could be facing.

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Speaker 1: They would be mowed down like an old gangster movie

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Speaker 1: where machine guns are used.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you got to hand it to the fans. McDonough.

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Speaker 1: They even had the backside covered that bordered on the

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Speaker 1: water because I could absolutely see some of dde's cohorts

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Speaker 1: trying to make a getaway by water.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, And Nancy, I actually had a case where five

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Speaker 6: guys were mowed down within ten seconds from an automatic weapon.

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Speaker 2: It was an SKS Sidney Sunder.

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Speaker 1: Did I hear you say that the serial numbers were

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Speaker 1: scratched off some of the weapons.

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Speaker 5: Yes, both of those assault rifles, Nancy. The AR fifteens

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Speaker 5: serial numbers were scratched through, so it's unclear exactly how

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Speaker 5: they were obtained. If Colme's bot them with the seal name.

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Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care.

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Speaker 1: If the angel Gabriel came down from heaven and dropped

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Speaker 1: them in Diddy's lap. That is a serious, serious offense. McDonough,

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Speaker 1: jump in, this is critical. You know why serial numbers

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Speaker 1: are scraped off of weapons?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Nancy, And this tells us maybe there's a wider

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Speaker 6: net here. Right. What the FEDS are going to do

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Speaker 6: is throw it into the system called NIVEN, which is

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Speaker 6: the National Ballistic Information Network, and they're going to see

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Speaker 6: if these weapons are tied into any other crimes.

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Speaker 1: Do you think a bad guy is going to go

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Speaker 1: to the gun and knife show down at the mall

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Speaker 1: and buy a gun?

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Speaker 2: Hgl n Oh.

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Speaker 1: They get weapons like ars, basically machine guns on the

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Speaker 1: black market. Why is a serial number scraped off? Because

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Speaker 1: that gun could be connected to another serious crime? I

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Speaker 1: want to see McDonough. McDonough, you need to get real

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Speaker 1: on this. You think they've ever found the gun that

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Speaker 1: killed Tupac Shakur, or guns that are related to many

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Speaker 2: No, they've never been recovered. And if they were recovered, unless.

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Speaker 1: You do a ballistics test, you don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: the murder weapon or the assault weapon. Why because criminals

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Speaker 1: scrape off the serial number.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Greece.

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Speaker 1: Straight back to Lauren Colin other In addition to all

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Speaker 1: the weapons, I mean a lot of weapons, what can

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Speaker 1: you tell tell me about women's shoes with seven inch

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Speaker 3: And it was pretty wild to see a special agent

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Speaker 3: hold up seven inch heels in court that just happened

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Speaker 3: to be pat and leather and red. We saw Balenciaga

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Speaker 3: Gucci bag that was filled with a rolled up one

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Speaker 3: hundred dollars bill. Different types of pills, yellow, orange, pink,

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Speaker 3: different powders. We saw eye drops and later these drugs

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Speaker 3: were tested and they were confirmed to be hook ketamine,

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Speaker 3: an MDMA actually in an eye dropper, and there were

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Speaker 3: actually three orange tablets they found with Tesla symbols on them,

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Speaker 3: and oh, we also saw xanax drugs were tested for xanax.

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Speaker 3: There also was a wooden box in the bathroom they

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Speaker 3: found and on top of that wooden bar was a

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Speaker 3: gold inscription that said Puffy. There were mushroom pilled in that,

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Speaker 3: was MDMA no Sidney Sumner.

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Speaker 1: That reminds me of one of the first times we

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Speaker 1: heard about a male escort. We heard that one male

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Speaker 1: sex worker showed up, knocks at the door.

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Speaker 2: Cassie comes to the door wearing.

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Speaker 1: Scantily clad laingerie and these heels. I guarantee you it's

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Speaker 1: not ditty walking around in eight inch platform heels. He

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Speaker 1: see all those heels at his Miami mansion.

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Speaker 2: Sydney, and we heard.

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Speaker 5: A similar story from both of the male escorts that

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Speaker 5: have testified that they believed they were coming for some

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Speaker 5: kind of bachelorette party. And then this woman opens the door.

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Speaker 5: She's buying herself except for her purported husband in the

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Speaker 5: corner of the room, and she's disguised. She's wearing some

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Speaker 5: and it just doesn't it doesn't make sense the defensive

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Speaker 5: theory that they're saying that this is all just private

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Speaker 5: sex matter for Sean Diddy Coulmbs, there is no reason

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Speaker 5: to own half of the Spencer store. Just keep that

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Speaker 5: in your home. If that's purely for personal use, where

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Speaker 5: there's not more than one person involved, you're not having

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Speaker 5: opious amounts of freak off parties. It just it doesn't crack.

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Speaker 1: We've heard about a Louis Vuitton bag, a huge Louis

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Speaker 1: stuffed full of horse trunk, uh, ecstasy, cocaine, pink cocaine,

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Speaker 1: plan be, birth control appeals, and of course high powered viagra.

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Speaker 1: Diddy needs his viagra. Okay, I'm gonna have to go

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Speaker 1: to our shrink. The moment about mushroom peels, crystal rocks

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Speaker 1: that are MD and A and what effect that has

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll ask him right now.

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Speaker 2: Joining me.

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Speaker 1: Scott Johnson, Forensic Psychologists, thirty three years addressing sex Predators

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Speaker 1: Forensic Consultation dot org. It's where you can find him,

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Speaker 1: author of Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders. When I Love

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Speaker 1: You Turns Violent? That's another book. Scott Johnson, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us.

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Speaker 2: What is MD in a and what effect does it

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Speaker 7: All right, So you have the ecstasy basically by the

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Speaker 7: street name, and you have people that become delusional. It's

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Speaker 7: difficult to say no. At higher levels. It may cause

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Speaker 7: a euphoric statement where people are kind of out of

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Speaker 7: touch with reality, sort of delusional. But it's very difficult

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Speaker 7: to say no or to resist when you're under the

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Speaker 7: influence of these medications.

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Speaker 1: Ecstasy moll a stimulant with psychedelic properties.

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Speaker 2: That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: And if you drop it in one of these ladies' drinks,

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Speaker 1: there's no telling what a thing it is.

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Speaker 2: Going to have on her.

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Speaker 1: Lauren Colin very quickly, Laura, I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: about what happened when we got to Diddy's bathroom of

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Speaker 2: The bathrooms.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we got to a bathroom where we

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Speaker 3: saw two containers and in one container there was twenty

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Speaker 3: And I actually spotted two rubber duckies, a little bit confusing,

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Speaker 3: He said, yes, and there was because we saw a

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Speaker 3: day before. Now, right around when he was testifying, Diddy's sons,

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Speaker 3: Justin and Christian walked in and did he turned around.

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Speaker 4: He didn't smile, but he nodded his head at them.

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Speaker 1: Is he guilty of all the counts or any of

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Speaker 1: the counts in this federal indictment?

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Speaker 2: So far, according to my legal.

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Speaker 1: Analysis, the charges of sex trafficking have been shown by

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Speaker 1: not only Cassi Ventura, but another female witness as well.

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Speaker 1: Transportation of male sex workers across state lines to engage

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Speaker 1: in prostitution. Yes, now, racketeering is going to have to

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Speaker 1: be explained to the jury. Racketeering just think about Tony Soprano.

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Speaker 1: It is a loose confederation of people that engage altogether

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Speaker 1: act would be sex trafficking, bringing people in from various

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Speaker 1: lot of people do that, but a convicted killer slash

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Speaker 1: male escort listen.

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Speaker 8: At least two of the male escorts Cassie identified it

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Speaker 8: worked on the Showtime reality series Jiggilows. One is also

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Speaker 8: a convicted murderer Okshaya Kubiak who uses the name ash

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Speaker 8: armand beat her lean Doulai to death. Kubiak claimed he

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Speaker 8: blacked out after taking mushrooms with Duly, one of Kubiak's clients,

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Speaker 8: brutally beaten to death.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna found it in pain. Could have live in pain.

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Speaker 2: We took mustoms together last night.

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Speaker 5: They were to struggle subli concerts or breeding. We have

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Speaker 6: Detain right now.

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Speaker 2: This was one of the worst beatings of a person

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Speaker 10: The whole situation is what horror movies are made of.

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Speaker 1: I wonder what ed bd didy he is feeling and

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Speaker 5: That's absolutely correct. James said that Comb's and this chef

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Speaker 2: You know, is probed of about this Sydney.

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Speaker 1: This right here, here we have Rob Shooter Seawn Combs

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Speaker 1: Then says she's the aggress Did he ever take responsibility

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Speaker 13: He took responsibility when everything went well, When things were

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Speaker 13: this video here, Nancy, this is the case. To me,

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Speaker 1: You just stated that Cove spent an entire lifetime curating

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Speaker 13: Let me give you examples of this. There were images

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Speaker 1: Straight out to sydney' sumner, Crime Story's investigative reporter who

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Speaker 1: been analyzing Cassy Ventiro's testimony. Sidney, the high points of

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Speaker 5: I think the high point of Cassy's testimony is that

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Speaker 5: So she meets Comb at just nineteen years old. Their

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Speaker 13: Puff's relationship with Kim was very much the same relationship

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Speaker 13: He didn't like her to talk very much. He picked

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Speaker 1: Brett Brown, executive director, s ASS Surviving Assault, Standing Strong.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's the same old thing, it's not a

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Speaker 1: Women stay, I mean a woman's face with losing her home,

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Speaker 2: What about it? Brett?

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Speaker 15: Well, I think it's everything that you just said. The

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Speaker 15: And so it's not a matter if I keep going

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Speaker 1: Lauren Colin an investigative reporter and start a pop Crime TV.

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Speaker 2: Lauren, thank you for being with us. What happened in.

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Speaker 3: the prosecutors gave us a little bit of a taste

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Speaker 3: about this break in that involved Ditty, an assistant and

441
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 3: one of his associates. Well, when kid Cutty aka Scott

442
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 3: Mescadi took the stand, it turns out that Ditty was

443
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: the one that broke into his house kidnapped one of

444
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 3: his employees. Capricorn Clark with an associate went over there

445
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: looking for Cat And this was after Seawan Colmes found

446
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 3: out about this relationship that was going on between hit

447
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: Cutty and Cassie.

448
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 4: And look, kid Cutty said he was a little confused.

449
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 3: Cassie had told him that she and Sean Colmes were

450
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 3: broken up. You know, they were on again, off again.

451
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 3: So when he got this call from Cassie where she

452
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 3: was very very upset and alarmed. This was in twenty eleven,

453
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 3: he went to pick her up. He took her to

454
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Speaker 3: a hotel and it turns out she gave Sean Colmes

455
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 3: kid Cutty's address. This came out that was a little confusing.

456
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 3: So Kid Cutty finds out that Seawan Colmes is at

457
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 3: his house because Capricorn Clark, the assistant, calls him and

458
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 3: Cassie from the driveway in the car very scared and says, look,

459
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 3: Colmes is in the house. Now, kid Cutty gets very upset.

460
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 3: He says he's going over there. So he drives over there,

461
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Speaker 3: and he says that he calls Seawan Colmes and he says, hey, mother, effer,

462
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 3: why are you in my house? And Ditty says something

463
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 3: like I just want to talk now. When he gets

464
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: to the house, Ditty's no longer there. He notices that,

465
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: you know, nothing is broken, nothing is out of place,

466
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: but he did have some Christmas presents for his family

467
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: in chanel boxes. Those were unwrapped on the kitchen table,

468
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: and his dog was locked in a bathroom. He also

469
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: noted that the surveillance cameras outside his house appeared.

470
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 4: To be pointed down. Now, after this, you know, he leaves.

471
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: He sees that he's getting text messages from Colms, and

472
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 3: he thinks to himself, Okay, I don't really know if

473
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: I want to get involved here, because who knows if

474
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 3: he has weapons whatever. So he actually calls the police

475
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: and files a police report. Now we've discussed this. It's

476
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 3: December of twenty eleven. Kid Cutty and Cassie go to

477
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 3: Cassie's family home in Connecticut for the holidays. Sean Colmes

478
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: still is texting Kid Cutty, you know, trying to talk

479
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: to him, trying to to you know, get a meeting

480
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: with him, and Cuddy ignores him, and then Cassie ends

481
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 3: up breaking up with him. On his trip, he returns

482
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: back to la and a month later, it's January twenty twelve.

483
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 3: He is about forty five minutes away from his house.

484
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 3: Kid Cutty and his doll babysitter calls him and says,

485
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: your car is on fire in the driveway. A Molotov

486
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: cocktail has somehow been thrown in the car. We then

487
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: see pictures of the car. The roof is broken in

488
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 3: or sunken in with a hole in it. The inside

489
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 3: is all charred. He calls the police, files the police report,

490
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 3: and then a few days later he says.

491
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 4: Okay, you know that's it.

492
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: I'm contacting Combs or we're going to work this out.

493
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: So they have a meeting at the La Soho house.

494
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: He describes d Rock, the security guard that we've heard

495
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: about multiple times, ushering him into this room, and this

496
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: got a lot of laughed Nancy. He described Combs as

497
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: facing this big window in the room with his back

498
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: towards him his hands behind his back, and he actually

499
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: said he looked like a Marvel super villain. So he

500
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: said also that Ditty's demeanor was so calm that it

501
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: was almost bizarre. He offered him water twice, you know,

502
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: and and they seemed to work it out. And then

503
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: at the end of the conversation and Cassie joined later

504
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: by the way, and at the end of the conversation,

505
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: Cutty says they shook hands and while their hands.

506
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 4: Were clasped, he said, well, what about my car?

507
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: And Diddy basically was like, I don't know anything about

508
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: your car, and they let their hands go, and then

509
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: you know, they kind of walked out and that was that.

510
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: And he said he hadn't seen him until a few

511
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: years later he saw him again at the Soho house,

512
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: and this time Diddy was with his two daughters, and

513
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: he apologized to Kit Cutty and said, look, I'm sorry

514
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 3: for everything that's that happened, anything that went on between us,

515
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: but Nancy. When Brian Steele got up to do the

516
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: cross examination, he pointed out a couple of things, as

517
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: that's his job. But he pointed out that during the

518
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: break in kid Cutty's door, there's no damage to it,

519
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: the door was wide open and anybody walked in. He

520
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: also pointed out that there were DNA or fingerprints pulled

521
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: from the investigation into the car blow up, and those

522
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: that DNA was actually it belonged to a female.

523
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand something.

524
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: So one month later, after the whole Cassie Ventura relationship

525
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: blows up, one month later, Kid Cutty's car is bombed

526
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 1: with a molotov? So isn't it true that Shawn Combs

527
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: had discussed blowing up his car?

528
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 4: Yes, Cassie, this is through Cassie.

529
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: She said that this was discussed and he was going

530
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 3: to do it when one of Kid Cutty's friends were present.

531
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: So Shawn Combs's fingerprints and DNA were not on the

532
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: car that was blown up with a molotov?

533
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: One month after? Did he threaten to blow it up? Okay? Sorry,

534
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: not impressed.

535
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: I mean, do you really think Shawn Colmbs Diddy was

536
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: going to run down to the sip Go or the

537
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: Valero would pump his own gas into a container and

538
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: make his own molotov? I mean, he didn't even clean

539
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: up his own disgusting hotel rooms that were covered with

540
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: a baby oil slick he made somebody else do it,

541
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: so of course his DNA isn't there. Why is it important?

542
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: Because that is what a criminal enterprise is. Now we

543
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: see former assistant George Kaplan on the stand. Now talk

544
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: about an unindicted co conspirator.

545
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: That would be him. Listen.

546
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 8: Assistant George Kaplan says he was sent to pick up

547
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 8: drugs for his famous boss. Kaplin says Sean Combs gave

548
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 8: him cash and a phone.

549
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: Number to call. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

550
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 8: Assistant George Kaplan says he was sent to pick up

551
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 8: drugs for his famous boss. Caplin says Shawn Combs gave

552
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 8: him cash and a phone number to.

553
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: Call so Shawn Combs could talk a grown man into

554
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: going and buying his drugs for him.

555
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: No wonder this went down in the courtroom.

556
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 12: Listen, did He's former assistant George Kaplan takes the stand.

557
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 12: Kaplan tells the judge he is only here because of

558
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 12: a subpoena and he plans to invoke his Fifth Amendment right.

559
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 12: Judge Supermany in grants Kaplin immunity. The deal does not

560
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 12: cover perjury.

561
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: You see a little snippet of all the drugs seized

562
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: at Shawn Comb's mansion. Now we know that Frank Black

563
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: was a name, a pseudonym used to check Shaan Comb's

564
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: in and out of hotel rooms, also used to get

565
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: fake prescriptions, which is illegal. You think that Shawn comes

566
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: rolled up in his SUV to the CVS or the

567
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: Dwayne Read or the Walgreens and got his own stuff.

568
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: No, uh huh, there had to be a minion, Troy Slayton.

569
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: Shawn Holmes convinced Kaplan to perform crimes for him buying drugs,

570
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: get illegal drugs such as MDMA. Also convinced him to

571
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: get prescription drugs under a fake name, where Slatin also

572
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: a crime. So now he is talking his minion into

573
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: buying his astroglide, lubricant, his baby oil, his candles, his liquor,

574
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: all of that and importantly critically using the company credit

575
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: card choice Layton.

576
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 9: Well buy an astro glide, although it may sound gross

577
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 9: in this situations not illegal. Buying drugs yes, illegal, but

578
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 9: that doesn't make a Rico case. The government still has

579
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 9: to prove that the purchasing the drugs was to advance

580
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 9: the criminal enterprise, was to advance his business interest, his

581
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 9: legitimate business interests he had.

582
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: You think Dandy took all those drugs himself. No, that

583
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: was being dropped in the woman's drinks.

584
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: I mean you need to go.

585
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: Back to law school, man and take a refresher course

586
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: on rico. Rico is anything any act that advances a crime,

587
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: and the crimes have to be laid out in the indictment.

588
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 2: Which they are. I've already read them to you. I'll

589
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: read them again. Sex trapping, for labor, kidnapping, arson stressing.

590
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 9: Those are all terrible things, but that doesn't make rico.

591
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 9: You have to prove what are you.

592
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: Saying Diddy was using all those drugs for. He'd be

593
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: dead if he took them all. He was feeding them

594
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: to these women in their drinks. What do you think

595
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: the astrog line the baby oles for for a free

596
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: off according to these women against their will and bringing

597
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: in mal sex workers from another state that is against

598
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: the law recoverent.

599
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 9: That would be that sex trafficking. So we're we're mixing

600
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 9: up two different things there, Nancy, you know that those

601
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 9: are separate them.

602
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: Yes, you're the one that said asked why i'd I

603
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. It has everything to

604
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: do with it, just like the.

605
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: Baby oil.

606
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 9: Just because somebody is having a rock star is having

607
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 9: a drug fueled party, doesn't mean that they're guilty of rico.

608
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, that video of the literally a

609
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: Dixie dumpster going down the hallway of the hotel, Doctor Bethany,

610
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: how do you convince grown men and women to do

611
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: your illegal bidding and clean up your bodily fluids, your spink, Nancy,

612
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: your baby oil, your astro glide if they do.

613
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 16: It, all of it, Nancy. Probably what he did is

614
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 16: he started out being super charming with them, pretending to

615
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 16: be their friend, buying them gifts, pretending to advance their

616
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 16: interests in some way, and once he gained their trust,

617
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 16: he would send them out on some criminal act. Once

618
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 16: they committed the criminal act, now they were stuck and

619
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 16: could not get away.

620
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: Isn't it true City Summer, That sworn testimony is that

621
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: Shawn Colmes tried to bribe a security guy.

622
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 5: That's correct, Nancy. He tried to hand this security guard

623
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 5: a stack of money as big as his hand to

624
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 5: leave them alone and to just drop the whole situation

625
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 5: and not get Cassie Ventura out of that Intercontinental Hotel room.

626
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: So Tom Smith, former NYPD, star of Goalshields podcast, Tom Smith.

627
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: I guess it's just a did world and we all

628
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: live in it.

629
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: Because all these people are so afraid or have their

630
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: careers at stake, they go along with it. It will

631
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: be a cold day in hubl that I would go

632
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: clean up somebody else's bodily fluids unless my children threw up.

633
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen. But all these people just went

634
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: along to get along, yep.

635
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 10: And its influence and it's his power that controlled them.

636
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 10: What can he do for them in the future, How

637
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 10: can he propel their jobs, their careers anything like that.

638
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 10: That all is involved in this power trip that he

639
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 10: was on. And like you know, Nancy, once you get

640
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 10: away with it a little bit, you keep pushing the

641
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 10: envelope to the next level, to the next level.

642
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: Right now, Shawn Combs in a federal courthouse being charged

643
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: and being tried for.

644
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: A multi count federal indictment.

645
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: And what Rico means, which is the major prize for

646
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: the state, is that Shawn Combs headed up a criminal

647
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: enterprise involving many many crimes including arson, blowing up Kid

648
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: Cuddy's cawn.

649
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: You hear that Troy Slayton, it's the death nail. It's

650
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: the death nail.

651
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: Kid Cutty's testimony, and the testimony of all these other assistants,

652
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: the nail and the coffin the death nail.

653
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 9: For Diddy, it might be Nancy, but the government is

654
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 9: still going to have to weave together all these disparate

655
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 9: dots and tie it together to show that this was

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Speaker 9: an overarching grand conspiracy to further a criminal enterprise. And

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Speaker 9: I think we're going to hear a lot from Diddy's

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Speaker 9: attorneys when it comes time for his defense to put

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Speaker 9: on their presentation.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're right, Slayton. I don't know what they've got

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Speaker 1: up their sleeves, but you're absolutely right. In the state

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Speaker 1: better be ready. Thank you to our guest, but especially

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Speaker 1: to you for being with us, Nancy gray soning Off,

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Speaker 1: good night, friend,