1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Up next The Truth with Lisa Mouf. So I think, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: along with a lot of you at home, I feel 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,159 Speaker 1: a shame. I feel embarrassment about what has happened in 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: Afghanistan in the complete incompetency at the top, from President 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: Joe Biden to our military commanders who somehow didn't see 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: what has unfolded in the past few days. We have 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: Americans that have left behind. We have billions of dollars 8 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: of our taxpair of money in the hands of the 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: Taliban via weapons, via aircraft, via vehicles that will inevitably 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: probably be used against the United States citizens. You probably 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: now have countries like Iran, China, North Korea, any other 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: bad actors terrorist groups as well, who are now beholden 13 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: by what they have seen a week America with the 14 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: president who doesn't even want to face his own nation, 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: who has lied to United States citizens, who we can 16 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: no longer trust. We don't know who is actually calling 17 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: the shots at the top. So it is shame, it 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: is embarrassment, and it's discussed that we didn't have a 19 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: plan to bring our Americans out of Afghanistan. First and foremost, 20 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: you also look at strategic blunderers like closing the Bagram 21 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: air Base, which is larger and more secure than the 22 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: Kabbal Airport which we are using now, which only has 23 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: a single runway, which is smaller, which we could have 24 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: inevitably gotten more Americans out in a timelier basis and 25 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: a much more methodical basis. We've also apparently left behind 26 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: or reportedly left behind biometrics, which has allowed the Taliban 27 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: to identify Afghans who have helped us translators, et cetera, 28 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: who are now going to door to door and killing 29 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: some of those individuals. The Taliban controls the outside perimeter 30 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: of the cabal airports, or Americans can't get in. We 31 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: say we control the inside of the airport. Well, that's great, 32 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: but you have to go through the Taliban to get there. 33 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: So this is a mess. It is embarrassing. It has 34 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: larger implications for our country and the safety of all 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: Americans in the coming years, the coming days, but most 36 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: importantly the Americans who we need to save and we 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: need to get out of Afghanistan. So I turned to 38 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: my friend Buck Sexton, who is a former CIA officer 39 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: in the counter Terrorism Center. He has completed tours of 40 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: duty as an intelligence officer in both Iraq and Afghanistan, 41 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: as well as other hot spots around the globe. He 42 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: has led senior intelligence briefings with former presidents like George W. Bush. 43 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: He also served in the NYPD Intelligence Division, working on 44 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: counter terrorism and counter radicalization issues. He is my dear 45 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: friend and he is also co host of the Clay 46 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton radio show. He also has his 47 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: own podcast, The Buck Sexton Show. He is incredibly bright 48 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: and all around great human being and I am honored 49 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: to have him on this week's episode of the Truth 50 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: with Lisa Booth. Yeah. Yeah, So, I am really excited 51 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: about this week's guest. Not only is it timely with 52 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: the ship show that we're saying in Afghanistan, but he's 53 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: also my friend and he is a former CIA officer 54 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: who was in Afghanistan station in Afghanistan, so he is 55 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: a perfect person to talk to about all the events 56 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: that have recently unfolded in Afghanistan. You know, Buck, First 57 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: of all, thanks so much for joining the show. Thanks 58 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: for having met so Buck. I was reading this op 59 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: ed that the former Vice President Mike Pence had written 60 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: in the Wall Street Journal, and essentially he argues that 61 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: when when they left the White House. When the Trump 62 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: administration left the White House, there was relative stability in Afghanistan. 63 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: He argues that you know, over the past eighteen months 64 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: there hadn't been a single combat casually there, that the 65 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: Afghan government in the Taliban both controlled their respective territories, 66 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: and the US had had its smallest presence since the 67 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: world began troops. He blames Biden for breaking that agreement 68 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: and then essentially all hell breaking loose in Afghanistan. What 69 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: do you think would have gone differently if the Biden 70 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: administration had upheld that agreement. Oh, there's so many things here, 71 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: And one of the big debate points I think, Lisa, 72 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: is that you know the Biden team, and they the 73 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: story keeps changing with them, which means that it's obviously 74 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: more complicated to try to refute or to argue with 75 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: different parts of it, because you know, what they were 76 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: saying five days ago or a month ago was so 77 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: different from what they're saying now, not about the situation, 78 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: but about what their plans were and what they were doing. 79 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: And you know, so what we're dealing with really an 80 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: avalanche of bull crap from them all the time. But 81 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: let me say a few things about about what we 82 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: know they're gonna they're contending now or their contention is 83 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: now rather and how I think that's going to be 84 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: something we continue debate. They're essentially saying that the Taliban 85 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: was poised to sweep through and take over the whole 86 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: country militarily no matter what unless the US and this 87 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: was from the bid administration and one of his recent speeches, 88 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: unless the US is willing to deploy large numbers of 89 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: additional troops. We had about country this past spring. So 90 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: essentially the US was going to have to become a 91 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: frontline combatant force again in Afghanistan, not just providing close 92 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: air support, but actually having marines helping to secure helm 93 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: under Kandahar, you know, which is what happened back in 94 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: the Dani Obama administration. And they weren't willing to do that. 95 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: That's their contention. You know, it's very tough to know 96 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: what is really true about what they do and when 97 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: they knew it, because they're obviously desperately trying to save 98 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: I think you're trying to say of his presidency right 99 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: now at some level, but everyone that I do, I mean, 100 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: I was on record on my own radio show saying 101 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: a year ago. The Taliban will be in control of 102 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: this country. It's just a question of when. As soon 103 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: as we leave, it'll you know, you can basically set 104 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: the clock. The part of this that's been such a 105 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: shock is how I mean it just happened. Was like 106 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: a light switch, which no one really anticipated that it 107 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: would happen that quickly. And when I say no one 108 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: and met with a few people, and these are the 109 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: Trump the Trump White House saying that they had set 110 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: up a plan, I mean they were. They're right about 111 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: the fact there wasn't a U. S guys in Afghanistan 112 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: for eighteen months. The Taliban has not attacked US forces. 113 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: This is a very interesting part of everything that's going 114 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: on that I think needs more attention. Yeah, they're going 115 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: there's reprises against Afghan and Taliban right now as I'm 116 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: speaking to you. If they wanted to seize hundreds, if 117 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: not thousands of American hostage, they could do so, and 118 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: in the short term, at least in the immediate sense, 119 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: there's nothing we could do about it. They're not doing that. 120 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: So they're they're using some strategic planning here, which I 121 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: think should be should be kept in mind, and I 122 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: think that some of that framework was actually I mean 123 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: this framework was set in place by the Trump administration. 124 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean the extension of Biden by four months. You know, yeah, 125 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: you could say that that's a violation agreement. It's also 126 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: a violation of the agreement with the Taliban um to 127 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: start taking provincial capitals, right, I mean they they clearly 128 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: we're planning to do this, and we're taking military action 129 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: against the Afghans that they weren't supposed to. So we're 130 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: we're in this place now where there's the there's these 131 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: two simultaneous interlocking but but I think separate um debates happening. 132 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: One is the actual mechanics and tactics of a withdrawal 133 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: from the country, and then the pulling out altogether on 134 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: the timeline that we're doing it and how we got here. 135 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: Remember in the early days, the Biden team was saying, oh, 136 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: this is what we inherited from Trump. I mean, that's 137 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: how that's how pathetic the initial when the disaster first, 138 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: I mean you probably remember that, right, they're saying, oh, 139 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: by our hands were tied by Trump, and now it's 140 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: now it's something else. So look there, I guess what 141 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out is do you think what 142 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: the events that are unfolding now would have happened under Trump? 143 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: Because part of me believes they wouldn't in the sense of, look, 144 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: you've got Trump. He took out Cassim Slimani. I mean, 145 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: this is a guy who flexed his muscle, and I 146 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: think other countries feared him in a way that Biden 147 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: is not, in part because we have a guy who 148 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: has essentially gone into hiding, uh when you know we're 149 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: facing an international embarrassment. I mean the Parliament has held him, uh, 150 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: you know, in contempt. I mean, this is an international embarrassment. 151 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: But would the Taliban have done this? Do you think 152 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: if Trump was still in office? It's a very good question. 153 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: I mean it's I think the answer is, well, first 154 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: of all, I believe the withdrawal would have been quite 155 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: different insofar as they would have at least been smart 156 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: enough to get the civilians evacuated out of country in advance. People, 157 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: and I mean American civilians Americans first, which doesn't really 158 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: seem to be a principle of the Biden administration right now, 159 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: or the media for that matter. Yeah, I mean that 160 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: they they are uninterested in teams and separating out. I mean, 161 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: to me, I'm sorry, I am an American. There's a 162 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: difference between getting out somebody who is an American citizen 163 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: with American passport and somebody who was promised some kind 164 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: of visa entry program in the United States. And I'm 165 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: not saying forget about those obligations or turn your back 166 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: on them necessarily. I'm just saying, you gotta get you know, 167 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: the first priority has to be getting Americans out of there. 168 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: And I mean, here's an example of how I think 169 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: that things are different. I mean, I believe right now 170 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: there's video showing I think it's uh French. It's a 171 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: French convoy where you a French paramilitary, French paratroopers who 172 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: are basically deployed, and they go and they get in 173 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: a convoy. They go get their own countrymen and they 174 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: get from the Kabbal airport. Other countries, NATO Allied countries 175 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: have been able to do this. We're not willing to 176 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: do this. It teams and we have had the Secretary Defense, 177 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: Lloyd Austin, say, oh no, we can't do that right now. 178 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: We've got thousands and thousands of soldiers there. You know, 179 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: I think that the Biden administration doesn't have the stomach 180 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: for it, because there has to be what is your safety? 181 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: And obviously, if you're sending a convoy into Cobble as 182 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: an American American military detachment, your your real safety. Yeah, 183 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: it's of course that you know, going toe to toe 184 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: with the Taliban, our guys versus their guys are gonna 185 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: are gonna win in a fair fight. But of course 186 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: it's not gonna be a fair fight. You've got thousands 187 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: of thousands of Taliban swarming all of the city right now. 188 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: So what is your safety and security? It's under a 189 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: Trump administration it would be you know, we will drop 190 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: moabs on your camps, like you know, if you touch 191 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: our people. I don't believe mother of All bombs. By 192 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 1: the way, for anybody who wonders what a moab is, um, 193 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that the Taliban has the 194 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: same sense that Joe Biden is willing to pull the 195 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: trigger on something like that. And so that means that 196 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: you're in this position where we're not even able to 197 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: get our own people, and we won't go get our 198 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: own people and bring them to safety. So all of 199 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: the perception ties into so much of this right now, um, 200 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: and I think that that's that's where the Trump administration 201 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: would have been in a better place. I also think 202 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: it's just hard to imagine a Lisa honestly that anybody 203 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: would that this could be so incompetent. I mean, I 204 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: think that Biden is a honestly as I seen. I mean, 205 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: I think he's in the early stages of dementia. And 206 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: you know, I try not to be unkind about that 207 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: because I think that it's such a you know, such 208 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: a terrible thing when and I've had family, you know, 209 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: a much much of older family members the past way 210 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: I've gone through it, So I don't like making jokes 211 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: about his dementia or anything. And I think it's a 212 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: serious thing. I'm horrified to the Democrat Party and the 213 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: media apparatus has voisted this guy and this is just 214 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: it's reckless, beyond words crazy. You're nicer than me, because 215 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: I do think at this point we can we can 216 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: point to that and we can criticize him because he 217 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: knew that he was not mentally cognitive enough to do 218 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: the job. Surely, Joe Biden knew that he wasn't mentally 219 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,239 Speaker 1: the media everyone knew, and everyone saw it during the campaign. 220 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: The media helped shield that from the public. So I 221 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: do think at this point it's worthy of criticizing because 222 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: we have Americans left behind and Afghanistan, and as you 223 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: pointed out, other countries are going and saving their Americans. 224 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: They're using their special forces to save Americans. So what 225 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: is going to happen to the Americans that are left 226 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: behind in Afghanistan? I wish, I wish I could tell you, 227 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: and I can tell you a few things. In back channel. 228 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: There are people I talked to you who are former 229 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: special operations and and are involved in in their own 230 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: way with kind of government and quasi government contacts to 231 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: try to help get families out. And I just actually 232 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: received before I talked to you a sit rep a 233 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: situational report on on the with with some pretty detailed 234 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: descriptions and and even some some maps of what they're 235 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: of what people are facing right now at Cobble Airport. 236 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: To get that got to get in. I mean, let's 237 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: be let's be quite clear that the Taliban is there. 238 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: We're being told it's all chaos, and what this report 239 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: that I've seen and what the reporting that I'm getting 240 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: from people poor in contact people from ground, and we're 241 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: just one thing before I get into what it says. 242 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: At least it's important everyone understands that the tentleman doesn't 243 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: have the technological capability to shut off or monitor communications 244 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: in a meaningful way. They don't have that, right, So 245 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: we're in a situation where we can at least see video, 246 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: people can make phone calls like that's all still happening 247 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: right now. Whereas if this were you know, Iran, obviously 248 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: since Russia, China, a lot of other places, they be 249 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: able to just shut off calms and so we'd be 250 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: in the dark. So we're not in the dark. We 251 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: actually have a pretty we have pretty good under the 252 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: circumstances visibility. I mean, obviously there's even uh some reporters 253 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: that are still running around doing live live hits, but 254 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: we have pretty good visibility wants go on. So what 255 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: I'm hearing from people that have that kind of connectivity 256 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: is it's that they're almost seems to be uh a 257 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: an ad hoc, like some Taliban checkpoints will let Americans 258 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: through and others won't. Most Americans aren't getting through, So 259 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's there some who are I 260 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: don't know, if they're able to maybe just talk their 261 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: way through it, if there's some kind of a bribe 262 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: some of them been able to put for I don't 263 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: know what the difference has been yet. I'm curious to 264 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: get that answer from my contacts. It's one thing I 265 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: want to follow up on. But I do know this, 266 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: if a Taliban said all American anyone with an American 267 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: passport gets through, we could have every single American at 268 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: Cabbal Airport tomorrow. They're clearly not saying that, right, I 269 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: mean there there's clearly not a directive to let this all, 270 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: just let this be taken care of on the American side, 271 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: which then just brings up what we have here is 272 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: a kind of a kind of hostage crisis where they're 273 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: not really uh, you know, they're they're not saying they're 274 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: aching hostages. But there are Americans now who can't leave, 275 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: who are in the hands of the Taliban effectively and 276 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: have nowhere to go. So we gotta start thinking about 277 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: it in those terms, and we gotta start thinking about 278 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: it as they're using this as leverage for sure. I mean, 279 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: we're using this as they're using this as a an 280 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: opportunity to either just further humiliate the U S, which 281 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: of course is part of it. I mean, that's baked 282 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: into it. But also they may want concessions here. You know, 283 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: we're talking about air strikes against US military equipment and 284 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: and things that we left behind. But the Taliban may 285 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: be saying, hey, like, you guys have to promise. You know, 286 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm obviously not involved. I don't have classified access anymore. 287 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of negotiations are going on. 288 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: The Taliban may be saying, you know, you guys, fire 289 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: one missile at even if it's an empty Humby and 290 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: some parking lot somewhere, like we're we're gonna start seizing Americans. 291 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: They have tremendous leverage right now, is my point. And 292 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: it's intentional. So that's the situation where just chaos. It's 293 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: not just congestion as Ned Price, by the way, I 294 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: know from way back in the day oddly about but 295 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: Ned Prices thing over for the State Department. Well, and 296 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: it's almost embarrassing, I mean, because you go through some 297 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: of the strategic blunders right and you know, I don't 298 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: even have a background in this, but like you can 299 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: think about even just closing the background air base, which 300 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: is obviously larger, more secure than the Kabbal Airport, which 301 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: is a civilian airport, has a single runway. We would 302 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: be able to get more Americans out under that scenario. 303 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: So I mean, even things like that, as sort of 304 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: an outside observer, I mean, how do we get something 305 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: like that so wrong? It honestly defies belief. I mean 306 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: it's rare that I'm in a place where I can't 307 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: really even explain how something that a Democrat administration does 308 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: is so stupid and so in that usually I can 309 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: point to an ideological some kind of ideological weak point where, 310 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: you know, for like shutting down the Keystone Xcel pipeline. 311 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: Not to go on some digression, but they've really convinced 312 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: themselves that there's a there's a portion of the Democrat 313 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: base that stays up at night terrified about the end 314 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: of the world because of climate change. They don't want 315 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: to have kids because they think there's putting a greater 316 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: CEO to burden. And so the Democrats, and some of 317 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: them have a lot of money, by the way, my 318 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: environmentalist you know, interests, and so the Democrats will pander 319 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: to basically an anxiety disorder, which is what climate change 320 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: catastrophism is so, but that you can you can point 321 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,479 Speaker 1: to why because otherwise the oil is still coming out 322 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: of it makes no sense. Right, It's stupid, but there's 323 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: an ideological reason for it, is what I'm trying to 324 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: say with this. Yeah, they wanted to end the war. 325 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: But to your point, you say you don't have a background, 326 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: and yeah, you're a smart person who pays attention and 327 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: understands what's going on, and that's all you would need 328 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: to be to not do what they've gone. So it's 329 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: honestly so stupid and so and it's so in thatt Um. 330 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just basic things like why why give 331 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: up Bogra members? You brought that up? Bogram just sever 332 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: understands I was listening, is far more defensible, far better 333 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: a an airfield in terms of being able to secure 334 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: a broad perimeter and and the terrain around it. It's 335 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: it's it's a sort of it's not impossible to overrun. 336 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: But with US military they're like Afghans are not overrunning 337 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: background like it's not happening. So in Afghana, Taliman, so 338 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: we instead where Kabo Kabo has DNSE housing and and 339 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: you know settlement around it. It's obviously right near this. 340 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: I mean I've I've been to that airport. I know, uh, 341 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: it's right near the city and far you know, it's 342 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: a smaller airfield, less defensible. So these are things that 343 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: you just look at it say what are they doing? 344 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: And and I think Lisa that there was just there 345 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: was a bit of hubris. Maybe in this they figured 346 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: we're just they really believe their own their own nonsense 347 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: about how they're the smart team and Biden's the old 348 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: foreign policy hand. Because what I'm basically telling you is 349 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: it's so incompetent that I can't I actually can't understand 350 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: how they could be this stupid. Which, by the way, 351 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that about the border because I know 352 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: the ideological reasons for the open border. I wouldn't say 353 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: that about crime because I know why they're pandering to BLM. 354 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: Like all the other things. This is so dumb that 355 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: I have a hard time understanding how they could be 356 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: so dumb. That's where I am. We're on Afghanistan with 357 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton. After the commercial break. I think what's terrifying 358 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: about what happens next and all of this is first 359 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: and foremost saving the Americans that are there. I'm with you, Obviously, 360 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: I worry about the plight of the Afghan people, particularly 361 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: the ones who helped us, But I care first and 362 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: foremost about getting Americans out of Afghanistan. But now we've 363 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: left the Taliban with billions of dollars worth of US weapons, 364 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: six thousand weapons, vehicles, two aircrafts which inevitably will probably 365 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: be used against the United States, and some capacity of 366 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: even more than that. What does this mean If you're 367 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: a RAN, if you're China, if you're in North Korea, 368 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: if you're any terrorist cell, you're looking at what is 369 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: happening right now and saying America is weak? How do 370 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: I take advantage of this? Am I right? Oh? I 371 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: mean the rest of the world, like, what does that mean? 372 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm made a drug on Twitter that you know, 373 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: forget about what will the US defend Taiwan? Right now? 374 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: China is probably thinking will the US defend Manhattan under 375 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: this current administration? I mean, it just feels like I 376 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: think I retweeted that thank you, Yeah, well you have 377 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: good tasted tweets. But this is where we are, and 378 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: people look at this and they say, wow, this this 379 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: this regime of Biden and the handlers around him is 380 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: just inept in a way that you'd have to think 381 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: you could get away with with with exploiting it. I 382 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: mean the Russians, the Chinese, they're I mean China in 383 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: particularly think knows that Biden is a buttons, you know, 384 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: not even a paper tiger. It's just a buffoon. And 385 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: so they're going to be able to push him around 386 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: in a whole bunch of different ways, which is which 387 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: is inevitable. I mean already of all this, of course 388 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: is none of this should be unexpected insofar as the 389 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: Obama administration for all of its flaws, and of course 390 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, for everybody just quick review, he was the 391 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: foreign policy brains they told us of the Obama administration, 392 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: which was like laughable. But for eight years, for eight years, 393 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: Biden and Obama had so many different things that you 394 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: could point to and say, well, I think that was 395 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: handled horribly, or you know, I could disagree with a 396 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: lot of it would be ideological left right stuff. Foreign 397 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: policy was an air of the Obama administration that was essentially, 398 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: for an honest person, indefensible right. Whether it's the rise 399 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: of ices or the catastrophe in the collapse of Libya 400 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: and the heads of ices there and the slave markets 401 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: on the shores, the northern shores of Libya. I mean, 402 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: all the things that happened everywhere around, you know, the 403 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: collapse in the rock, deterioration and relations with a whole 404 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: bunch of countries all over the world, all the stuff 405 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: that happened to Bombay years on foreign policy were a 406 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: disaster and really hard for anybody. And there was that 407 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: famous moment. I think it was even Jen Psaki at 408 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: the White House or at the State at the State Department, 409 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: who would asked about any of Hillary Clinton's accomplishments as 410 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: Secretary of State under Obama, there was like this funny 411 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: silence because there were none. Um, that's That's what we 412 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: had as the precursor to this. So I mean, of course, 413 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: in a sense, Joe Biden, the decisions they make. These 414 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: people don't really understand the way the world functions. That 415 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: they can't process good guys, bad guys, you know, the 416 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: way things are. They always have this faculty lounge approach 417 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: the way things should be in the U N And 418 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: let's have a symposium, and that results in very bad outcomes, 419 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: especially when you're dealing with people who are running around barefoot, 420 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: chopping off people's heads and dressing women like beekeepers because 421 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: they think that that's what their Holy book tells them 422 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: to do, and that's what the Taliman does. So we 423 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: we got we got some big problems here with this. 424 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how they're gonna, you know, 425 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: exploit the Biden weakness on this, but they're going to well. 426 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: And in the irony is that Biden was supposed to 427 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: bring us a return of normalcy, respect in the world, 428 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: when and when in reality, I think President Trump was 429 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: one of the greatest foreign policy presidents we've had in 430 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: quite some time, and you look at even the Middle 431 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: East and he was actually brokering peace in the Middle East, 432 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 1: and now we have chaos in the Middle East under Biden. 433 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: But what hilarious about is the the UK Parliament just 434 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: held Biden in contempt. Apparently Boris Johnson couldn't get a 435 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: phone call back from Joe Biden, which also raises questions 436 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: about his health. What is really happening behind the scenes 437 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 1: and all of this, So you know, our allies were 438 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: supposed to respect us under Biden and now we're in 439 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: an embarrassment where I think most Americans right now feel 440 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: shame about what has happened and embarrassed by what has happened. 441 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: But I want to ask you as it as an 442 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: Intel guy. So we've got General Milly saying that you 443 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: know nothing I or anyone else saw decated the collapse 444 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: of the Afghan army and the government in eleven days. 445 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: You're saying that you previously called essentially this going down. 446 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: We've had reports that you know, Intel community is saying otherwise, 447 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: contradicting Millery Millie, as well as cables from the US 448 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: embassy contradicting Milly. So who's right? Which one's right? Is it? 449 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:24,239 Speaker 1: Was this unseen, infathomable, unfathomable or did everyone know what 450 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: was going to happen? And we still move forward anyways? Well, 451 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: because I obviously have tremendous respect for the Lisa Booth audience, 452 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: because they're smart enough to listen to Lisa Booth, I 453 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: will tell them that I did think. I did not 454 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: think it would collapse, like I didn't predict that this 455 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: was going to happen, meaning that it would happen in 456 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: a matter of that they would take cobble in days 457 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: without a fight. I mean that that. But what I've 458 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: always said, and I've said it now, for I was 459 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan a decade ago and just understanding the dynamics 460 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: and the shadow governance of the Taliban, the Pakistani sanctuary 461 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: which people don't talk. We were never going to defeat 462 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: the Taliban in a ne whole way, as long as 463 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: defeat just you know, defeat on the battlefield meant run 464 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: for cover in Pakistan, recruit more, equipped them, more train more, uh, 465 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, and come back and fight another day, which 466 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: has been the reality of this conflict for twenty years. 467 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: They have had a safe haven with you know where 468 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: people speak, you know, yes, to think that the border 469 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: between Afghanistan and Pakistan, for all intents and purposes, doesn't 470 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: really exist in a meaningful way, certainly not for the Taliban. 471 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: These are Pashtun areas, They're Pashtan on on both sides 472 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: of the border, and there's tremendous assistance from the I S. 473 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: I especially now people forget, I mean, ever since we've 474 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: killed Bilt and realized, wow, Pakistani government, you guys really 475 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: are playing a double game with us and can't trust 476 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: you at all, which we should have known all along. 477 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: But the i S I is the Pakistani Inner Services 478 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: Intelligence Agency, their version of the CIA, and they're not 479 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: only are they do they helped Taliban? I mean it's 480 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: there are Taliban sympathizers and expectively you know, enablers at 481 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: very high levels within that organization. So, uh, it's you 482 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: can imagine that's a pretty big problem. So we were 483 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: never going to really defeat them. Um and and so 484 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: that was something that and now I just realized, I 485 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: got what was the question because I got off on 486 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: my Pakistani sanctuary ran. But anyway, the whole thing is 487 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: a mess lista we could say that the whole situation 488 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: of the mess Oh that the timeline. Sorry, um, I 489 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: thought that they would uh and I this I said 490 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: on the record on my show, and I think they 491 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: even tweeted about it. In June, I said the Taliban 492 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: will be running this country by by December. So I 493 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: overshot it by a few months. But I was like, 494 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: this year it's going down. That was pretty much where 495 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: I was, because there was no way that the ask 496 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: in without US air cover and support, We're gonna fight 497 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: to the level they would need to defeat the Taliban. 498 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: So that's where it's at Hold Tight for more insight 499 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: from Buck Sexton on Afghanistan. How much do you think 500 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: the Pakistanis were involved in sort of the planning and 501 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: sort of the strategy at overtaking Afghanistan. I mean, I 502 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: would not be surprised if everything that we have seen 503 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: play out, the entire Caliban blitz creek right now was 504 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: it was not even planned on Afghan soil at some level, 505 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: but in places like the NWFP, the Northwest Frontier Province 506 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: or UM or in you know, Wazira, Stan and some 507 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: of these border areas along the AFPAC border. UM. Maybe 508 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, I s I guys in a safe house 509 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: sitting down with some senior Taliban members or maybe even 510 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: in a in a city in Pakistan, quite honestly, because 511 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: I think the relationship is probably that strong these days. UM, 512 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they were very involved in 513 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: helping walk them through all of this and providing real 514 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 1: logistic goal and intelligence support as well. The Hakani's based 515 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: on the Hakani network, based on the pakistan Is. That's 516 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: the very top level, the very top echelon of leadership 517 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: of the of the Taliban and their ties to Pakistani UM. 518 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: You know, intelligence elements are long standing, and the whole 519 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: thing is it's an absolute mess, So why don't we 520 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: take action against them? It's a country with a eighty 521 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: million people and nuclear weapons pointing at India as well 522 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: as wherever else, um, And you know that's that's going 523 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: to do that. That's a real messy situation. Remember we 524 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: used to run club obviously looking at the ladon rate, right, 525 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: we we would go after um. We would run raids 526 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: or or or drones strikes on Pakistani soil. So we've 527 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: we've been dealing with that problem for quite a while. 528 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: But you know it's it's not There are elements of 529 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: the Pakistani government that don't obviously don't like the Taliban, 530 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: or don't want to help them, or are more willing 531 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: to be international community players. But once you get up 532 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: closer to the border and you're talking about actual Pakistani 533 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: I s I, you know you've got bad stuff, bad 534 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: stuff going on. Guys who are helping the worst elements 535 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: in every way they can in Afghanistan. And I know 536 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: you've got to get going because you've got to prepare 537 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: for your own show. The Clay Sexton are they play 538 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: to have as Buck Sexton? I basically just gave you, 539 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: I gave I gave you guys a celebrity name. But 540 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: which is doing? Which? Which is going so well? And 541 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you. You're you know, you're crushing 542 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: it and so successful with us right now. So I'm 543 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: so happy for you. But I just want to get 544 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: one last question and then, um, you know, I know 545 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: you've got to get going with all that. But you know, 546 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: so originally we went into Afghanistan, it was supposed to 547 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: be you know, more sort of strategic air strikes against 548 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: al Qaeda with their training camps and military instant installations 549 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: of the Taliban regime. Uh, you know, supposed to not 550 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: be this twenty year war, this twenty year effort, and 551 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: then it turned to wanting to leave behind, you know, 552 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: some sort of stabilized government into nation building. Is Afghanistan 553 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: capable of stability? I mean, it's been twenty years. I 554 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: mean the Taliban will make it stable, but it will 555 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: be a totalitarian hell, but I mean it'll be its 556 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: stability means a government that is in charge and endures 557 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: and uh and you know is going to be calling 558 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: the shots. Yeah, I mean that the Taliban will will 559 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: have their version of stability, but no, a a democracy 560 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: that had a taliban insurgency on its on its edge 561 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: and and in the background all the time. UM was 562 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: never was never going to be a durable situation. And 563 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: UM I knew about ten years ago when I was 564 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan with the Agency. I think it's very clear 565 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: to people, uh now, the test the case, and it 566 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: should have been clear all along. And I think that's 567 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: sort of the disheartening thing about all of this is 568 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: that we, you know, set up for a mission that 569 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: we knew was impossible to it. Chief. But Buck, I 570 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time. This is 571 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: really interesting, super helpful, and hopefully it kind of clarifies 572 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: things for the audience at home. So I want to 573 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: thank you, my friend, and congrats on all your success. 574 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you. Quick plug to your your 575 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: wonderful and beloved audience, and check out. I do a 576 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: thirty minute quick rundown on the Buck Sexton Show in 577 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: the morning before the big radio show. I do so 578 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: give that and it's every day guys, so give that 579 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: a check out the Buck Sexton Show podcast. I get 580 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: into a lot of national security stuff there. Wherever you 581 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: listen to Podcasts and Lisa my buddy, thanks so much. 582 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend take Care Talks in h I 583 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: want to thank my dear friend Buck Sexton for joining 584 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: this week's episode and providing us some really great insight 585 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: into what has happened in Afghanistan. He's so smart and 586 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,479 Speaker 1: I just really appreciate him joining the show. And if 587 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 1: you enjoy today show, please leave us a review, rate 588 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: us five stars on Apple podcast. 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