1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hello, everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Today we are talking to someone so incredible. It is 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: Chris Albrech, who was the head of HBO Original Programming 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: and the CEO of HBO in general. And he is 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: the person who greenlit Sex and the City, who also 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: green lit the Sopranos, and who really put us all 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: together and you know, was there for the formation and 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: development of the show basically, and we owe so much 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: to him. So it's going to be a really fascinating conversation. 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: Here we go. 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 2: Hey, how are you, Chris? I'm good. How are you? 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 2: I'm will It's so nice to see you. Thank you 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 2: for the invite. 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so excited you're here. I talked 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: to Michael Patrick yesterday. I have so many things to say. 17 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: He sends love and messages. It's thrilling to have you. 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: Great congratulations on the news. 19 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 3: I mean it's sort of a new show now in 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: the third season or whatever, but yeah, it's so great. 21 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 4: It's so interesting, isn't it. 22 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: And I you know, we are going to jump right 23 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: in because I really, really just have to honor your 24 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: place in really creating us. 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 4: You know, like we think about you and might cry. 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 5: I'm feeling very emotional lately, but you know, it's just 27 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 5: been such a journey and we wouldn't even be here 28 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 5: if you hadn't been so brave and like out front, 29 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 5: you know, creating, just purely creating. 30 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: That's how I think of HBO when when I met you, guys, 31 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: how do you think of it? 32 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: You know, I think of HBO as it was. 33 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: It was a vehicle to be able to provide talented 34 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: people to come together in what's a collaborative medium, right 35 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: What we do is a collaborative medium, talk about things 36 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 3: that had a point of view, were relatable to the 37 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: human experience, and luckily, because of our business model, we 38 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 3: were able to provide them with the resources to realize 39 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: their vision. And kind of luckily, especially in the beginning 40 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: when we first started with Sex and the City, nobody 41 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: was paying attention to us, so we had a chance. 42 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: What did you do things that real grond ums might 43 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: not let. 44 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: Us do totally totally, and we didn't have advertisers, which 45 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: I mean, we obviously understand, but not everyone listening will 46 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: realize how different the landscape was at the time. 47 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 48 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 3: I mean, television was supported by companies, you know, marketing 49 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: their products, and they wanted to have marketing that would 50 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: bring in the biggest audiences, and that meant not offending people. 51 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 3: So you know, programs were a lot more mild tempered, 52 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 3: even if they were you know, core thrillers or cop traumas. 53 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: And also couldn't take a stronger point of view about 54 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: what people really went through because you might offend somebody. 55 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: Was really the bottom, and we didn't. Not only didn't 56 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: we kind. 57 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: Of worry about that, but we were not as a 58 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: badge of honor that we were trying to offend people, 59 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: but we wanted to really get people to look at us. 60 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: And say, I can relate to that. 61 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: I mean, I think Sex and the City is the 62 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 3: perfect example of a show that so many people related to, 63 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: even if they didn't live in you know, New York City, 64 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: even if they weren't you know, upwardly mobile professional women 65 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: in their early thirties. And I would say, you know, 66 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if the show was set in Cleveland 67 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: you would watch it, But if the show if you 68 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: were in Cleveland, you definitely got it right. 69 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: So I remember, like you, you were at HBO from 70 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: I believe in the eighties, right eighty five. 71 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 4: Amazing. 72 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: So when I thought of HBO, HBO was this thing 73 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: that was like really expensive and you hoped you could 74 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: afford it, and it had a lot of sports and 75 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: then movies, and then in a way you just started slowly. 76 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 4: Growing the original programming. Is that accurate? 77 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we had a real opportunity when there 78 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: was a change in the top leadership when Jeff Buchers 79 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: came in to be the CEO and I got moved 80 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: up to the head of programming and technology. Was our 81 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: friend a k BAN satellite DirecTV Dish. They were coming in, 82 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: they were bringing a new revenue, and we were doing 83 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: really well. 84 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: And you know, I had. 85 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 3: Been trying to get HBO to do its own programming 86 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: for a while, I mean really, you know, dip both 87 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 3: feet in and Jeff said, okay, let's give it a try, 88 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 3: and we opened the doors and one of the first 89 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 3: people to come in who really knew what they were 90 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: doing was Darren Starr, who obviously had two successful television 91 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: shows under his belt, which was great for us because 92 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: we hadn't done any successful television and you know, Darren's 93 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 3: a terrific producer, and he brought the he brought Candice's 94 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: book to us with the you know, which was an 95 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 3: assembly of the columns, the Sex and the City columns, 96 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: and I read it. Karen Strauss read it, and I 97 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: I thought, I haven't seen these people on TV. 98 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 99 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: And then Darren did what a great producer does, is 100 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: he put he puts a great team together. Of course, 101 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: he brought in Michael Patrick. And then the casting process 102 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: was amazing. 103 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 4: Is that how you remember it? Amazing? 104 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: I remember it lasted really a long time, and everyone 105 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: in New York in LA read for it. 106 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 3: Well, you know, it was amazing in the sense that 107 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: I think we really canvassed people. Yeah, and I don't know, 108 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: I mean, you know this story, but Darren Starr had 109 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 3: Sarah Jessica somewhere in the back of his mind. We 110 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: didn't know if she would do it or not. And 111 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: then everybody else was, you know, kind of a work 112 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: in progress. I mean, it was the combination of finding 113 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 3: the actress who really could help not embody the character 114 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 3: because they weren't even fully developed in the first script, 115 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 3: but you know, somebody who could bring their own personality 116 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 3: and acting experience and kind of take on what the 117 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: outlines of the role were and then turn them into 118 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 3: flesh and bone human beings for everybody in the audience. 119 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I think it was one of the shows 120 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: where probably more people believed that you guys were really 121 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: those those people than almost any other show that I 122 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 3: was involved with. They can remember. I mean, maybe it's Brano. 123 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 3: A lot of people believe that those guys were in 124 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: the in the mafia. But secially, the city certainly touched 125 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: a bone that I don't think had been touched before 126 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: by television. 127 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: And did you, like, did you envision that that would 128 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: be true or was it still just kind of a 129 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 1: crazy thing that happened? 130 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: You know it I always. 131 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: Always but when people ask me, you know, what are 132 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: what are the ingredients, It's like, Okay, here's the ingredients 133 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 3: for a successful television show. 134 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: In my opinion, you need. 135 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 3: An artist who with a strong point of view about 136 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: something that is relatable to the human experience. Hopefully a writer, producer, 137 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 3: because those are the television series business. Those are the 138 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 3: people who really are the generators of the team. 139 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 2: They're the center of the team. 140 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: And then you know, you need to hire really talented 141 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: people around them, and like I said before, give them 142 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: the resources, which includes the talent to help that that 143 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 3: come to fruition. And then you do it. And even 144 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: though you have all those pieces, it doesn't mean that 145 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 3: it's going to end up being what you what what 146 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 3: what what these things become because I think the ingredient 147 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: that only happens sometimes and I can't explain why it happens, 148 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: and I'll use this word because I mean, it is magic. 149 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 3: There's just a little bit of magic that ends up 150 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: coming from these creative people doing this together. It's what 151 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: one of the things that makes our business unique and 152 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: is long lasting and is globally you know, pervasive as 153 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 3: it's as as in a good way as it's become 154 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 3: hopefully in a good way. 155 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely in a good way. 156 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: So there, I can't not talk about the Sopranos, which 157 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: you know because for me to think back on what 158 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: it was like in the early days, right, we filmed 159 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: our whole first season without it being on the air, 160 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: and you guys were just incredibly supportive, not nitpicking notes, 161 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,679 Speaker 1: you know, just kind of supporting the vision that Darren 162 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: had at that point. And I think you brought Michael in, 163 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, in the first season. And what Michael said 164 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: to tell you, especially, which I need to remember to do, 165 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: is that he thinks that you were the best executive 166 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: to work. 167 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 4: For because you understood jokes. And it's a rare thing 168 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 4: if you think about it. 169 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: Well, you know what I did. 170 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I was a standard an unsuccessful stand up 171 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 3: comedian who then ended up managing and being part of 172 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 3: owner of the Improv of New York. So and all 173 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: those comedians, many of them were my peers. The guys 174 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: that became famous then became famous later there as performers 175 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: or you know, writers and big, big TV stars. So 176 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 3: I lived a lot life with people around trying to 177 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 3: be funny. And I think one of the things growing 178 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 3: up in New York and learning the comedy in New 179 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 3: York was that we learned a comedy that was more 180 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: first person, more about the personal experience. 181 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 2: And certainly, in my mind, the things. 182 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 3: The television shows that really resonate most with people are 183 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 3: the ones that come across almost as first person. 184 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: You know, the audience identifies with that. 185 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 3: And one of the ways to make something palatable is 186 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 3: to make it kind of funny, because life is funny, 187 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 3: and irony is comedy. And if there's one thing that 188 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 3: we know over and over again is life's ironic and 189 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: it's unpredictable. And the women in Sex and the City 190 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 3: explained it experienced that unpredictability no matter no matter. 191 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: What their plans were. 192 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: Definitely they were not necessarily foiled at every turn, but 193 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: it was it was a journey that the audience was 194 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: looking forward to taking, you know, with them. I remember 195 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 3: getting the first It's a very episode and I would 196 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: take it was back when we had you know, cassettes, 197 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 3: and I would take it home in my in my 198 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 3: shoulder bag. And Sex and the City was one of 199 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 3: the one or two shows that I had to watch 200 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: the first. 201 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: Cut, no matter what. 202 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 3: It was my job, but I couldn't wait to watch 203 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 3: the first cut us too. 204 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: I remember waiting for that VHS and you know, running home, 205 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: running home to put it in. It's so funny to 206 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: think about now. 207 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 4: Here you are. 208 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: You come from this stand up background, which is so unusual, 209 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: you know, in your job, I think, I mean, I 210 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: don't know any other you know, I mean, yeah, very rare, 211 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: and you're you're kind of at the forefront of like 212 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: creating this original programming for HBO. 213 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 4: You've got Us. 214 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: You filmed the Sopranos pilot right after ours, because I 215 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: remember our crew. You tried to make a double deal 216 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: with crew members, like will you now go to New 217 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: Jersey and do this mobster thing? 218 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 4: We were like, what you're going to do? 219 00:10:59,760 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 2: What? 220 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: But obviously, I mean literally lightning in a bottle? I mean, 221 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: what do you remember about that? 222 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 4: What were you thinking? What was going through your head? 223 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: You know what? I think. 224 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: The lucky thing for us is we weren't doing a 225 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: lot of thinking. We were doing a lot of reacting, experiencing. 226 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: It's not like we had a floodgate of people coming 227 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 3: to pitch us stuff. 228 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: And so when we had something like. 229 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: The Sopranos, which came from David Chase, who knew how 230 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 3: to do television, just like Darren Starr who knew how 231 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 3: to do television, then the job. 232 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: Was, well, these guys actually know more than we do 233 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: about making this. 234 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 3: Let's help give them the freedom to expand their thinking 235 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: and like, you know, make this a clubhouse. And that's 236 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: kind of what The Sopranos became very different than Sex 237 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: and the City in terms of what went on the screen, 238 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 3: but not very different from Sex and the City in 239 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 3: terms of the kind of ingredients that came together and 240 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 3: gelled to end up with this experience that audiences. 241 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I look, if there was Sex. 242 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 3: And the City parties when Sex and the City was on, 243 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: there was the Pranos parties when Panos was I don't 244 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: know a lot of other shows no that that that 245 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: had that phenomenon. We might we might have even started 246 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 3: it with with with that. 247 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: It felt like that, Yeah, absolutely, And I remember for 248 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: us it was like kind of a really you know, 249 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: we were so in it and we were working you know, 250 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: as you know, all night, you know, every night for 251 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: the time that we were filming, and because we filmed 252 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: the whole first season with you know, kind of in 253 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: a bubble, which was wonderful, right we could just kind 254 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: of try to find ourselves, which you know, the first 255 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: season kind of all over the place. But now that 256 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: I'm rewatching it, I am really impressed with it, Like 257 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: it's so much more. It has all the elements were 258 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: right there. They weren't like woven together in the more 259 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: practiced way that we became, but they're all there, you know. 260 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: And what's also so interesting is the evolution of the show. 261 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: I mean, if you watch the pilot, you know, it's 262 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 3: talking to camera, it's it's chirns, it's uh, it's a, 263 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: it's a it's a little and and this show morphed 264 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: and then the other thing. 265 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: I think that was certainly fun. It was. 266 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: Although you the cast and and and the production team 267 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 3: were experienced professionals, and although we had been working and 268 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 3: you know, running this network, we all shared, you guys 269 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 3: and those of us on the inside, we shared this 270 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 3: experience of having this kind of unexpected and and joyous. 271 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't at all times where it wasn't 272 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 3: that it weren't the bumps along the road when you 273 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 3: make doing any of this stuff with all kinds of people. 274 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: But I think you you were You were a great partner. 275 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 3: You were a great uh ambassador for the show, not 276 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 3: just when you were on the show, but in in 277 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 3: in your life. You were always so great to deal with. 278 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: And you know, whether we were whether we were whether 279 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: or we were talking about scripture, renegotiating deals, you know, 280 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 3: it was it was thank you. 281 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: It was a happy time. 282 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I. 283 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 3: Have to believe that also contributed to uh what came 284 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 3: through absolutely, you know, for the audience. 285 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I agree with what you're saying. 286 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: And it's interesting to think about because you know, now 287 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: obviously the industry is just profoundly different in so so 288 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: so many ways, and I feel like because of all 289 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: the changes, there's you know, kind of a lot of 290 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: fear and no one knows what to do, you know, 291 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: it's uneven. Whereas like for us, I really did feel 292 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: that we were you know, together and united and the 293 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: kind of insane experience that we knew we were going 294 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: through that was amazing that you know, each year built. 295 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 4: And also because you guys were really. 296 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: Partners, it was a very different experience in terms of 297 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: like creatively, you know, Michael always goes rhapsodic talking about 298 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: you know, we can list the notes that you and 299 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: Carolyn gave us on our hand, right like you were 300 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: just support, You were like true support and teammates. 301 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: Well, I always looked at our job as not to 302 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 3: shuffle the deck. But if you think about it as 303 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: a deck of cards, once in a while card is 304 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 3: kind of sticking out on the side. 305 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: You just every once in a while we would help 306 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: the show do this. It's great, but also for Sex. 307 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: And the City, it was you know, it It brought 308 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: a point of view, It brought characters to the screen. 309 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: It gave the audience a chance to see themselves. 310 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: Like I said, even if they weren't those specific had 311 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: that specific. 312 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: Lifestyle, the inner monologue, the inner life. It was different 313 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: enough in each character. 314 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: And yet united enough that together they presented a world 315 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 3: that hadn't been on TV before. And it was an 316 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 3: opportunity we had an HBO to do that. Sex and 317 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: the City changed television. 318 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, changed. I don't know it changed. 319 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: It changed in the sense that it was an example 320 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: for people of what was possible to do on television. 321 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, for sure. 322 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: Now did you think about the fact, like like in 323 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: your prioritizing in terms of so we've got sopranos, we've 324 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: got Sex and the City. 325 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,119 Speaker 4: We're growing, We're growing. It's like so exciting. 326 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: You know, at certain points we start getting nominated for 327 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: Emmy's Like what were you thinking? Were you like, yeah, 328 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: this is amazing, this is what I wanted? Or like, 329 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: was it out of control? 330 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 4: Was it what was it for you? 331 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 3: All of those things. It definitely took on a life 332 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: of its own, right. I think the what it's kind 333 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: of like the show, you know what people saw on 334 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 3: the show wasn't necessarily. 335 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: What we all talked about being in the show. 336 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 3: Right When when we would read articles, when people still 337 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 3: read articles about Sex and the City, or would read 338 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 3: an article about Sopranos or or you know, other shows, 339 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 3: I would say to Carolyn Strauss, I'd say, we don't. 340 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: We never had that conversation, but they would see it 341 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 3: in that and therefore it became. It became larger than 342 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 3: you know, It took on a life of its own, 343 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 3: and so we were, I think often as surprised as anyone, 344 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 3: you know, to see the reaction, and it grew so much. 345 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: I remember one year at the Globes, I think Sex. 346 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 3: And the City one, Sopranos won, the actors won, the 347 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 3: actresses won, and we won the movie. 348 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: We won every and we were. 349 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 3: All sitting there at the HBO table, which of course 350 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 3: was you know, the best table in the TV section. 351 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: We were in the movie section, which was. 352 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: On the floor, and I turned to my team that 353 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 3: was at the table, and I said, remember this's not 354 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 3: because it'll never happen again, you know, it was just 355 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 3: and by that time people were already trying to emulate 356 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 3: what we were doing, because it wasn't. 357 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: It wasn't a secret formula. 358 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 3: It was just one that we identified as an opportunity 359 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 3: for us, and other people tried to follow in the 360 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 3: footsteps until it then, like every other thing that is 361 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 3: a good thing, is too much, right. 362 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 2: You know, there were probably a lot of Greek plays written. 363 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 3: Most people only remember the ones by Eschylus and and but. 364 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 2: You know the same thing with I'm sure there were 365 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: a lot of Elizabethan you know. 366 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: Poets who wrote who wrote plays, but we don't know. 367 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 3: There's only a couple that ever be remember, so there could. 368 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 3: There's a lot of television shows, but there's not very 369 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 3: many that have had the impact and have the longevity, 370 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 3: and so many people so glad to see, uh, you 371 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 3: know you those characters come back on screen again and 372 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 3: share their new experiences and continue on the journey with them. 373 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean it has been obviously just an experience 374 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: that we never could have ever imagined even remotely. 375 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 3: And I have to say Sex and the City was 376 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 3: I mean, there are shows, you know, people talk all 377 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 3: the people don't compare Sex and the City and sopranos. 378 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 2: They don't compare. They'll compare the dramas together or the 379 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 2: comedies together. But for me, especially with. 380 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 3: The timing and everything, but for me with the audience 381 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 3: that we didn't have before. 382 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: We didn't have a big female audience on HBO. 383 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 3: We had boxing and you know, we had to stand 384 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 3: up comedy shows and sex and the city was was 385 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 3: was really the game changer for us. 386 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: And it's not about more reviews or more or or 387 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: or more awards. 388 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 3: It was the cultural impact of that and the the 389 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 3: you know sort of how it just became into the lexicon. 390 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely people's lives. 391 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 3: And I mean to the point of view about you know, 392 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 3: the title of your podcast, you know You're Charlotte. I mean, 393 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 3: it was all people were that was those were real 394 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 3: conversations people. 395 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: Were, I know, and they still have them, which is insane, 396 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 1: But I think it's important to say that, you know, 397 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: and I know as an actor. When I when Darren 398 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: sent me the first script, I wasn't really aware of 399 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: Kansas's colle but the idea that there would be a 400 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: show with four lead women who were unabashedly over thirty 401 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: was shocking. I was like, what I have to be 402 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: on this show? Like, when you really think back, it's 403 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: hard to even remember how unusual that was, and what 404 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: a risk it was. 405 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 4: What did you think about that? 406 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 3: Well, you know, it was right about the time that 407 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 3: that was I don't know if it was Time magazine 408 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 3: or whatever. 409 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 2: It was, that thing that came out where like a. 410 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 3: Woman over thirty had had, you know, more of a 411 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: chance of being hit by lightning than getting married, right, yes, 412 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: And so, oh my god, that was a statement that 413 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: probably hit a lot. I mean, I don't know how 414 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 3: many people saw it, but it certainly traveled in in 415 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 3: you know, conversations with people. 416 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: And then I think this show came on and the 417 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 2: heels of that, right, and on one hand. 418 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 3: Illustrated those challenges and yet on the other hand, really 419 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 3: humanized it and the desires and also even though you know, 420 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 3: the show was bittersweet in many ways, but it was 421 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: life affirming. 422 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 4: Absolutely. It was joyous. 423 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, because these women were successful people. I don't mean 424 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 3: successful in their jobs. It was all those things. But 425 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: they persevered in spite of you know, the challenges first 426 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 3: of being a woman, right, and and then and you know, 427 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 3: secondly the all of the you know, other cultural and 428 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 3: physical things that happened. And now seeing the characters years later, 429 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 3: it adds another whole dimension, but it was it was. 430 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 3: It was definitely it was a risk for us to 431 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 3: take back then, but a risk. If you had those 432 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 3: odds in Vegas, you probably wouldn't play, but if you 433 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 3: got that result in Vegas, you'd go home a happy person. 434 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: The other thing I think about is when I remember 435 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: my audition, my test or whatever you would call it, 436 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: and I mean literally I think there was you and Carolyn, 437 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: maybe Michael Hill was there, maybe Kerry Barton was there 438 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: or Billy Hopkins one or the other, but and Darren, 439 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: Like there was so few of you. 440 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that. I think it was probably 441 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 3: Darren and certainly Carolyn and me and maybe Michael Hill 442 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 3: and maybe. 443 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 4: Carme oh yeah, CARMEI right, but so few like it 444 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 4: was it tiny? 445 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe not. 446 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 3: We were really only only a couple. And that's how 447 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 3: we did it. I know that's how we did it. 448 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: And it became our way of. 449 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 3: Being able to make the casting decisions that were part 450 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 3: of making the show successful because obviously critical, that's. 451 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: What the audience sees. 452 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 3: And as you know, oh, there were even some changes 453 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 3: along the way. 454 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: I mean, the first person cast as uh. 455 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,719 Speaker 3: Samantha wasn't Kim right right, And then Kim became available 456 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 3: and Darren called me and he said, I really had 457 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 3: her in mind. 458 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: What do you want to do? 459 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 3: And I said, well, We're spend a lot of money 460 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 3: on this, and you know, if you think this is 461 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 3: the right thing to. 462 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 2: Do, let's do it. 463 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 3: So uh, yeah, history you know made before yeah, or 464 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 3: we even got on the on on on the floor 465 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 3: for the first rehearsal, I know. 466 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: And it's just it's just mind boggling to think about. 467 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: First of all, I love you know, I had Alan 468 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: Culter came on and and talked about he had been 469 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: on Soprano's first season and then you guys had said, hey, 470 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: would you go over there and work on Sex and 471 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: the City and bring some you know, kind of more 472 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: cinematic you know, qualities to it, which he absolutely did, 473 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: and I'd love hearing what he remembers. I feel like 474 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,239 Speaker 1: once we kind of started cross populating the directors, our 475 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: production value, you know, really leapt up, which was part 476 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: of the magic of being there. 477 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 3: You know, you know, and from the very beginning, Darren 478 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 3: wanted New York City to be to be a character 479 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 3: in the show, and you know, a lot like the Sopranos, 480 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 3: which we shot in Jersey. You know, Sex and the 481 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 3: City would not have been the same show. How do 482 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 3: we not shot it in New York and not shot 483 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: in New York the way we shot it? 484 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it became Look. 485 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,479 Speaker 3: Shows always get a boost when the audience wants to 486 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 3: be the people on screen and wants to live the 487 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 3: lives they're living. And certainly in spite of all the emotional, 488 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 3: you know, challenges and psychological conflicts that the characters had 489 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: within themselves and sometimes with each other, I think the 490 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 3: audience always said. 491 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 2: I either want to be them or I want to 492 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 2: be their friend. 493 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, which is so nice. 494 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: I sometimes still fe apologetic because you know, these young 495 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: girls will move there and then then I'll run into 496 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,719 Speaker 1: someone somewhere and they'll be like, oh, I moved there 497 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: when I was twenty five, and you know, it's really 498 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: hard to get a cab or just like really basics. 499 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm so sorry that we didn't always it 500 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: wasn't always accurate, you know what I'm saying. It was 501 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 1: a little bit glamorized, as we know, with the shoes 502 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: and you know what I'm saying, Like I wouldn't spend 503 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: a day in those shoes in the city if I 504 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: weren't playing Charlotte for goodness sake, But that was the 505 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: fun of it, you know. 506 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 3: In so it is, it is show business, but it's 507 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 3: show business that it's. 508 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: Best, absolutely absolutely, and I feel, you know, as the 509 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: show went on, I mean, just I'm curious, you're I mean, first. 510 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 4: Of all, how did you feel about us ending the show? 511 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: I never wanted it to end. It was I mean, 512 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: it was. 513 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 3: I guess Michael and Sarah Jessica's decision. Yeah, and obviously 514 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 3: if Michael didn't feel there was more in it. We 515 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: were not the type of place to change horses, right 516 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 3: and continue with the framework without the heart. 517 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 4: No, that would have been crazy. 518 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 3: And I don't know that any of you would have 519 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 3: done that. So, but you know, we definitely I'm like, 520 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 3: I wish I would have had more episodes every season, 521 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 3: you know, but there were people that had limitations with 522 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 3: their schedules and. 523 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 4: Life babies started happening. 524 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think we could have gone on 525 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 3: at least another couple of seasons and it would have 526 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 3: been to all of our benefits. 527 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: Certainly mine, I agree one hundred percent. Now let me 528 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: ask you about this. Do you remember how we had 529 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: this plan that we were going to do the film 530 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: but then we ended, which was largely based I mean 531 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: really in my mind, I think creatively, yes, it was 532 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: it's very hard to make a show every week, right 533 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: or whatever. 534 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 4: You know, we weren't making it every week, but you 535 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 4: know what. 536 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's really hard the pressure of the writing 537 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: and whatnot the creative team. And I think that pressure, 538 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: you know, had somewhat taken a toll on Sara, Jessica 539 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: and Michael, as you said, but also, you know, Cynthia 540 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: had a baby, Sir, Jessica had a baby. You know, 541 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: you have that you're so torn by being parent as 542 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: you know, and feeling like you need to be the 543 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: best parent you can be. And but when we had 544 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: been working, my perception of it was that it was, 545 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: you know, all encompassing, like our our lives were about 546 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: the show and promoting the show and riding this wave 547 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: that had happened, you know, kind of unexpectedly, and I 548 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: think all of us really knew that it was, you know, 549 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime situation, right, So it was like, 550 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: remember we would jet around you know with you Yes, 551 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: I remember. 552 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 2: Yes, we had a good time. We had a good time. 553 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 2: Everybody worked hard, but we made sure to have some fun. 554 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, I remember when She's Nevus. Do you 555 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 4: remember that on the horses? 556 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: It was so much fun with all the cable guys, 557 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: the cable cowboys. I mean, just amazing times, amazing times. 558 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: But I think so then we were going to do 559 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: the film right. But then like we didn't. We didn't 560 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: really know who would make the film. Do you remember 561 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: all this strength? 562 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 2: I remember? 563 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 3: So what happened was I commissioned the script right, and 564 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 3: we didn't have the film sold, and I didn't know 565 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 3: how we were going to get it financed. And then 566 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 3: and we're trying to put together budgets, but we were 567 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 3: really you know, it was one of those times when 568 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 3: HBO became timid because it was getting out of our 569 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 3: comfort zone for some people. And then to my memory, anyway, 570 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 3: I think the the product, the Devil Wears product movie 571 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 3: came out and I said to everybody, I said, that's 572 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 3: our movie. 573 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 2: I said, they just did our movie. 574 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 4: Wow. 575 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: So then the momentum went back. 576 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 3: And the movie I had gone to Newline and they 577 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 3: jumped in, which gave us the sort of film credibility, 578 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 3: and then kind of kind of it was within the 579 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 3: company also because they were a division of Time Warner, 580 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 3: as was HBO, so. 581 00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: It put it on a track. And then of course Michael. 582 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 3: Wrote the script and then you know, in a not 583 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: unheard of move but a somewhat unusual move, Michael got 584 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 3: to direct it right, and everybody came on board. And really, 585 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 3: I look at the first films. 586 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: As the finale to the series. 587 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 4: So much, yes, yes, yes, yes, so much. 588 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: And that's what was really wonderful about it, because when 589 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: we did end the show, the only reason that I 590 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: didn't completely fall apart, which I set fell apart, because 591 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: I really passionately loved the show, as you know, but 592 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: I really did believe in my heart that we would 593 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: do a film. 594 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 4: I didn't know how. I mean, it was really odd. 595 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: It was like you're taking one thing in one medium 596 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: and even though of course it's still storytelling, you'd need 597 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: a film company and distribution and all of the things, 598 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: like it's a different animal in so many ways, and 599 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: you guys hadn't done that yet, so it didn't there 600 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: wasn't a clear tract for it to be going on, right, 601 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: It took a lot of creativity on everyone's part to 602 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: make it work out. But I did believe that was 603 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: going to happen or I have really been just fully 604 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: decimated because I never really want us to end, which 605 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know that's rat at this point. 606 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 5: But. 607 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard when you. 608 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: Have something that you love so much, you know, it's 609 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: like it's just so like I could not have a 610 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: better creative experience. 611 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: I think we all love that show. 612 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 3: I think it was it was it was, you know, 613 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: considering how successful it was, it had a really unusually 614 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 3: small amount of problems. Yeah, and you know, because the 615 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 3: show is you got to keep a group of people together. 616 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 2: For a long time. 617 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, and no matter how good friends they 618 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 3: are on camera, it doesn't mean that they're that that 619 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 3: they're that. 620 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 2: Way in real life. 621 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 4: Yes. 622 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: Well, but yes, I think the movie was really important. 623 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 3: And again to my memory, it was a while ago now, 624 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 3: you know, twenty years ago. Uh, the product film helped 625 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 3: prod into you of doing it. Yeah, because and it 626 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 3: may have been Michael Patrick that first said it to me, 627 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 3: but it was like, okay, and and even as much 628 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 3: as I enjoyed that film, I thought our film was 629 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 3: a bigger experience because it was the end of a 630 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,479 Speaker 3: journey that had taken you know, had taken years, and 631 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 3: for the first time, really the show gave the audience 632 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 3: what it had been craving. 633 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 4: So true. Yeah, that's so true. I hadn't thought about that. 634 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: But it had a more complete because in a you know, 635 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: a two hour storytelling, you're able to complete things in 636 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: a way and go deeper as opposed to Like, one 637 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: of the things when I'm rewatching the show that I'm 638 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: really amazed by is how much we could do in 639 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: a relatively short time. In the show, they're not that long, 640 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: and so much happens, and it's like funny and then 641 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: deep and then silent for a second and funny and 642 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: like it's it's very I'm super impressed by us. 643 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 644 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 3: Well, a series has the advantage, especially serialized, of being 645 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 3: able to tell a story over a much longer period 646 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 3: of time, getting to know the characters in a different way, 647 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 3: and a film hasn't. But that's a big challenge. A 648 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 3: film has an advantage in that it gets to tell 649 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 3: the beginning, middle, and end of a story all in 650 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 3: one sitting, and so it's a different you know, a 651 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 3: different structure and can be a more satisfying experience in 652 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 3: a way, because you know, you get to sit down 653 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 3: at the meal, eat it and have dessert, and pay 654 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 3: the check and leave. 655 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: Totally, totally, totally. I do also think that as time 656 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: goes by, like when you first start, especially the pilot, 657 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: the pilot is physically so dark that you're like. 658 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 4: Where are we? 659 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's very cool, like it's interesting, but you know, 660 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: as time went on, like we're beautifully lit, you know, 661 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: and the production values are just keep rising and rising 662 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: and rising, and then the film it's like whoa, you know, somebody, 663 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: let us really play. And we kind of have had 664 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: trouble coming back from that, I will say, like we 665 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: had we had these thoughts that when we came back 666 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: to doing just like that, that we were going to 667 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: try to be like our early selves when we would 668 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: like film on one corner and then like wheel the 669 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: lights down the block, you know, and like have a 670 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: handheld scene on the other corner. Well, we can't go 671 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: back to that. It's impossible, you know what I mean, And. 672 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: The audience expects something different. 673 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I look, even in the pilots, as central 674 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 3: as the women were, there were lots of other things 675 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: going on, and as the show evolved quickly it became 676 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 3: those four women right as the center of the center 677 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 3: of the heart of the show. 678 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely all right, is there anything that you want 679 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: to talk about that we didn't just thank you? Oh 680 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: my god, no, for all that you did for all 681 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: of us, you thank you. You really are like our 682 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: you know, special godfather who you know not only greenlit 683 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: and put us together like so thoughtfully put the pieces 684 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: together of what is still you know, in existence. And 685 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: we couldn't love each other much more, you know, we 686 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: couldn't be more thankful for what you guys created. 687 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 2: Thank you. We took that journey together and it changed 688 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 2: all of our. 689 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 4: Lives, I know it. 690 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: And you, I mean you basically gave us, especially myself. 691 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: I mean all of us are a little different, as 692 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, but for myself you you really you you gave. 693 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 4: Me my career and I can't thank you enough. 694 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 3: You know, Christy, I got to say, you were pretty easy. 695 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 5: Thank you. 696 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 4: I appreciate that. I really do, I really do. 697 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: I love our I love our team, and I'm happy 698 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: to be in a collaborative you know situation. 699 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 4: I that's part of the joy of it for me, 700 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 4: you were that. 701 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 2: You were definitely definitely that. 702 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, babe, Thank you, and thank you for being on. 703 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: It's so special to get to hear from you. 704 00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 4: I feel so lucky. 705 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 2: Maybe I get to see you person one of these days, 706 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 2: we're sure. 707 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 4: Let's have been with Dave. 708 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. Great. 709 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that he connected us. And Michael sends 710 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: his love and he's so. 711 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 4: Happy that you're talking to me. 712 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 2: Please send mine. 713 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:11,959 Speaker 4: I will. 714 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: I love to have the tapestry of all of us 715 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: who are there in the beginning. I want it to 716 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: be here for people to find and discover and hear 717 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: from the different points of view of like what it 718 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: was like to be together back then. 719 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you're doing this, and thanks for including me. 720 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 4: Thank you, Chris.