1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show. Welcome to another exciting edition of 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show Archive podcast. That means something that 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: aired before but we really liked and we hope you 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: will as well. Sheriff David Clark. He's the black guy 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: with a very stern look. He always has a cowboy 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: hat on in uniform. He's the sheriff. We like Sheriff 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: David Clark, and he shares our views, which is, we 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: have laws in order to preserve order and protect the 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: weak and the innocent, and to help get rid of 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: the bad guys. He was the sheriff of Milwaukee County, 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: Wisconsin from two thousand and two to twenty seventeen, where 12 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: he took some pretty tough stances which made him very 13 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: popular across the country. He is a Democrat with conservative leanings, 14 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: and I think he's no longer a Democrat, but he's 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: started life as a Democrat and still is considered a 16 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: Democrat who to my knowledge, I don't know that he 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: ever changed parties per se, but I think, like most people, 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: the Democrat Party left him behind. He didn't change, they did. 19 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, he spoke at the Republican National Convention 20 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 1: in support of Donald Trump's presidential campaign, and that really 21 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: pushed his national profile even further. He was considered for 22 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: a role in President Trump's administration, but he ultimately did 23 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: not take a formal position. I had the honor of 24 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: talking to Sheriff Clark back in twenty fifteen, and we 25 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: enjoyed this interview, and we hope you do as well. 26 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: Well. 27 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe six months ago, we made a 28 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: double declaration on the Michael Berry Show. We in one 29 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: fell swoop, first time this had ever been done. We 30 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: replace our favorite sheriff in America with a new favorite sheriff, 31 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: and we named our favorite Democrat in America. And it 32 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: was all the same person in the pantheon of sheriffs. 33 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: We like it would be Newell Norman in Jefferson Parish, Louisiana, 34 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: Joe R. Pyo out of Americopa County and Arizona, and 35 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: this fellow, a favorite sheriff and a favorite Democrat, all 36 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: in one fell swoop from Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clark. 37 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for being our guest, Sir. 38 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: Michael, Well, what and honor. I'm humbled by that, And 39 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: hello to your listeners. 40 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the things you've said of late. 41 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: I suspect there are a number of sheriffs around the 42 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: country who share your sentiment, but very few who would 43 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: be willing to go on the record and say the 44 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: things that you've said, because it brings a lot of 45 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: enemies upon you, not the least of which is talking 46 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: about what you call the myth of police officers gunning 47 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: down black males. And let me say, I get the 48 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: sense listening to you, I get the sense that you 49 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: don't say this so much as a law enforcement man, 50 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: but as a human being who looks at other young 51 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: black men and says I can save some. This isn't 52 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: being angry at young black men. This is loving young 53 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: black men and wanting to save some. 54 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: Without a doubt and absolutely what this is all about. 55 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: And I've said, if we want to end these deadly encounters, 56 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: we can't just focus on police behavior. We have to 57 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: focus on the behavior of many of these young black 58 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: men and these police encounters, young black men who have 59 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: no respect for authority, who would fight and try to 60 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: disarm a law enforcement officer at the drop of a hat, 61 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: would flee a lawn officer, which is a law enforcement officer, 62 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: which is a very dangerous situation to put an officer in, 63 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: and it's also dangerous for the person being pursued because 64 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 2: now you have so much uncertainty and decisions have to 65 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: be made and split seconds and now seconds, and you know, 66 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: oftentimes the result is that the you know, it doesn't 67 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: turn out well for the perpetrator. And so you know, 68 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 2: it's very simple. You look at Mike Brown. Mike Brown 69 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 2: was simply told to get out of the roadway. If 70 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: he gets back up on the curb, out of the roadway, 71 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: he's alive today. We still well would never have heard 72 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: of ferguson Missouri if Eric Carner would have put his 73 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: hands behind his back like the officer told him that. 74 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: The NYPD officer said, you're under arrest, put your hands 75 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: behind your back, A very simple thing to do. And 76 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 2: had Eric Garner done that, Eric Garner be alive today. 77 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 2: And we can go on and on and on, and 78 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: so I try to focus on the behavior because it's 79 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: a two way street. These things are very uh. These 80 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: these these circumstances are chaotic and uncertain for the law 81 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: enforcement officer, and they can end up being deadly for 82 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 2: the person on the other end. So if we want 83 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: to really reduce the likelihood of a deadly encounter between 84 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: any police officer and any citizen, we have to remind 85 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 2: the citizenry that they have a duty and an obligation 86 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: to comply with the law enforcement officer's lawful commands. I 87 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: don't know why, Michael, these these you know, people like 88 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: the President of the United States, who has a big stage, 89 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 2: why you won't say this, he's so quick to want 90 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: to transform the professional policing of which he knows nothing about. 91 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: By the way, although he always thinks he's the smartest 92 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: guy in the room, but he doesn't understand that he 93 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: is an opportunity here to lead, all right, to be 94 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: a mentor to a lot of these young black men 95 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:14,559 Speaker 2: in these urban ghettos with a message, a message of responsibility. 96 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: And if you don't like the way you treat it, 97 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: because I understand there are cops who are rude and 98 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: can be officious, then you use the system, You make 99 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: the complaint, and you pursue it that way. You do 100 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: not start fighting the police on the street, because you're 101 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: not going to win. 102 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: Sheriff Clark, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin. In the course of your career, 103 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: I mean at least media coverage has increased in this 104 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: and you know, we had problems in the late nineteen 105 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: sixties with riots and things. But if you were to 106 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: attribute one reason to one sort of social cultural change 107 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: that is leading not necessarily to an increase in crime, 108 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: but to an increase in resentment toward anger toward and 109 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: violence toward law enforcement, what would you attribute. 110 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: That to Modern liberalism without a doubt. I don't even 111 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: have to think about that or ponderate. Modern liberalism is 112 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,559 Speaker 2: conduct without borders. Modern liberalism has been a wrecking ball 113 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: on Americans urban centers and has had a profound effect 114 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: on the Black community and the black family structure. Modern 115 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: liberalism has encouraged single parent families. Modern liberalism celebrates black 116 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: under achievement. Modern liberalism blames others for flawed lifestyle choices. 117 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: When we hear this thing about you know, important people 118 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: saying the riots in Baltimore and Ferguson of the result 119 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: of slavery and Jim Crow and discrimination, which is nothing 120 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: more than a big lie. The people of that era, 121 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: slavery and Jim Crow, the blacks of that era, would 122 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: condemn the sort of behavior we're seeing out of people 123 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: today in terms of lifestyle choices like father absent homes, 124 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: like school failure, like not staying consistently in the workforce. 125 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: Black people during the post Civil War and even the 126 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: Jim Crow area were very industrious, wanted to work. Many 127 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: of them fled the South to come north looking for 128 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: work during the Industrial Revolution. That's why I said they 129 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: would shun this stuff today. And yet we have people 130 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: today making excuses which goes back to modern liberalism, which 131 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: excuses olive horned behavior, and it says, it's not your fault, 132 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: it's somebody else's fault, it's the white man's faulted, the 133 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: police fault, it's everybody else's fault but your own, when instead, 134 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: what we should be doing is holding a mirror to 135 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: these individuals and saying that person looking back at you 136 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: is the major cause, and then say the only one, 137 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: the major cause of many of your problems, and you 138 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 2: need to start take doing some soul searching first before 139 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: you start lapsing out at other people, like the Institution 140 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: of Policing. 141 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: Sureff. David Clark is our guest. I have about forty 142 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: five seconds left in this segment. The response you get 143 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: from within your own county, I know what it is 144 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: across the country. Is it overwhelmingly positive? 145 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: Overwhelmingly positive. I have my paters and detractors, but many 146 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: of those are the gate keeping blacks and the extreme 147 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: left liberals for doing the attacking. But I have the 148 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 2: support of the people back here in Milwaukee County. I 149 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: wouldn't be here today if I didn't. 150 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: Well, I note that you were first appointed by Governor 151 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: McCallum and then re elected in six twenty ten, in 152 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. It's your county's voters that matter most, so 153 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: that's why you do what you do, and obviously you're 154 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: in touch with them. Can you hold with us for 155 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: a moment? 156 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: Sure? 157 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: Sureff. David Clark, Milwaukee County is our guest. More with 158 00:09:54,920 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: him coming up next. I do love everyone, but I 159 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: must confess I really really like David Clark. This PSA 160 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: is what caught my attention about him. 161 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 3: I'm sure if David Clark and I want to talk 162 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 3: to you about something personal, simply calling nine one one 163 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: in waiting is no longer your best option. Consider taking 164 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: a certified safety course and handling of firearms so you 165 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 3: can defend yourself until we get there. If a duty 166 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 3: to protect yourself from your family. We're partners now. Can 167 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: I count on you? 168 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: Listen to this again and tell me the last time 169 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: you ever heard a law man tell you to make 170 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: sure that you take care of yourself because you have 171 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: a responsibility to do it. 172 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 3: I'm sure if David Clark and I want to talk 173 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 3: to you about something personal, simply calling nine one one 174 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 3: in waiting is no longer your best option. Consider taking 175 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: a certified safety course and handling of firearms so you 176 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: can defend yourself until we get there. If a duty 177 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 3: to protect yourself from your family, We're partners now, Can 178 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 3: I count on you? 179 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: David Clark is our guest and Sheriff Clark correct me 180 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, but I was advised during the break 181 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: that I made a mistake. You are not an avowed Democrat. 182 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: You ran as a Democrat and have made very clear 183 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: that the Sheriff's office should be a non partisan race. 184 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: So if I'm correct in that and you sent to that, 185 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: my apologies. You consider yourself an independent, Michael's no problem. 186 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: You know. I shoot the party labels. I think between 187 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: Republicans and Democrats at all levels of government all across 188 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: the country, to the ruling class, the part of the 189 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: problem collectively, and so I remind people don't depend on 190 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: a party vote the person. Examine the person, regardless of 191 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 2: what letter they have after their name, and their views 192 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: line up, their philosophies line up with yours, and that's 193 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,359 Speaker 2: the person to go with, regardless of what party they're 194 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 2: involved with. I've never belonged to a political party and 195 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: probably never will. I'm a conservative, but it's about the 196 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: far that's about the extent of my political involvement is 197 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 2: my conservative leanings. 198 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: Milwaukee Sheriff David Clark that PSA alone, your outspoken, then 199 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: Piers Morgan's show, you've taken some positions outside what typical 200 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: law enforcement are willing to do, and I admire you 201 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: for the boldness to do that. Let me ask you 202 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: on another subject that law enforcement, at least active duty 203 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: law enforcement, have been somewhat silent on. It appears to 204 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: me that much of our war on drugs has simply 205 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: criminalized many young people, often in the inner city, and 206 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: distracted the resources of police. Not every law enforcement officer 207 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: agrees with me on that, but I found that many do. 208 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: Your thoughts on our drug. 209 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: Laws, well, I think we need to re examine this 210 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: war on drugs. I don't think we should abandon it, 211 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: but the model we're using is when we've been using 212 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 2: for a long time and sometimes take a look. For me, 213 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 2: we saw it in Iraq, we saw it in Afghanistan, 214 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 2: but things aren't going well, you reassess if you remember 215 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: what the surge did, it was just it was it 216 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: was an adjustment to what was going on. So I 217 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 2: think we could use that model here. Look, drugs are 218 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: the scourge of our urban centers, especially the American ghetto. 219 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: The sales and the use of it have led to 220 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 2: high levels of violence. So I'm more concerned about the 221 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 2: violence associated with the drug use. I'm not saying I 222 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 2: don't care about drug use, but you know, hey, if 223 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: an individual, you know, wants to engage in that sort 224 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: of behavior, there's going to be consequences for that individual. 225 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 2: And it doesn't necessarily have to be you know, arresting 226 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: with a prison, but you know, there's the health concerns, 227 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: there's the effect that it might have on your productivity 228 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: or ability to get a job. And I don't want 229 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: any tax supported drug rehab programs. I think we're going 230 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: to let individuals make those sorts of choices. Flawed lifestyle choices. 231 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: They have to bear the consequences. So I'm going to say, 232 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: you know, I want to say, if you want to 233 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: go out and engage in that kind of risk of behavior, fine, 234 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: but then don't ask me and don't ask how the 235 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 2: taxpayers to help get you out of it through some 236 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: government sponsored drug rehab program. Find your own drug rehead program. 237 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: You pay for it. 238 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clark is our guest. You have 239 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: been outspoken against this twenty first century policing initiative. Can 240 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: you talk about that? 241 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: Sure, it's been nothing more than sure aid that a 242 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: it's a dog and pony show put together very quickly 243 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: for political expediency by the President of the United States 244 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: after the Ferguson riots. What I was real disappointed about 245 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: is in putting that together he did not have one 246 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: elected sheriff represented on the panel. We report directly to 247 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: the people. Okay, we're at ground level. He had a 248 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: police chief or two on there. They are appointed bureaucrats, 249 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: and the ones that he had on there are well 250 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: known lap dogs. Okay, their career bureaucrats, lap dogs for 251 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: the Democrat Party and some of their liberal philosophies on 252 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: policing in America. And then the rest of the panel 253 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: was made up of academic elitists who sit in ivory towers. 254 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: They're far removed from life at ground level in these 255 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: American ghettos, and they didn't have any real representative from 256 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: the street cop, all right, the person who's out there 257 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: every day. So they come down with these decrees and 258 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: these mandates and they shove it at the street cop 259 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: to beat officers, say, here, go implement this and then 260 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 2: come back and let us know how it went. And 261 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: I think that's cruel. I think if you're going to 262 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: have an honest task force, then you have to have 263 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: representatives from the rank and file police officers. So they 264 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: come out with these recommendations, you know, most of which 265 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: are just nonsense. What came out of that was the 266 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: President of the United States said the Baltimore Police Department 267 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: was a model agency in unbiased policing and commit unity policing, 268 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: and he recommended that every law enforcement office to look 269 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: at the book Baltimore PD and emulate them. Two months later, 270 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: after the riots in Baltimore, the US Department of Justice 271 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: just the same President of the United States Department of 272 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: Justice is now investigating the Baltimore Police for pattern and 273 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: practices of bias policing. That's why I said, this whole 274 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: thing is a charade. So he went to Camden the 275 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: other day and said, Camden's now the model. So look 276 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: for them to be investigated by the DOJ as well. 277 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: So you know, again, we got a guy who, and 278 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: I say that respect at least the president of the 279 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: United States, he knows nothing about local policing. He may 280 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: be the commander in chief of the US military, he 281 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: is not the commander of the Milwaukee County Sheriff's office. 282 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: I am. I'll decide what's best for the men and 283 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: women of my organization, and I encourage other chiefs and 284 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: sheriffs across the country to push back against this. One 285 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: science fits all because it'll be a disaster, just like 286 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: everything else that the president and then it's put. 287 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: His hands on you know, I've always it's been an 288 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: internal debate over whether law enforcement officials should be elected 289 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 1: or appointed. And you may be the best example of 290 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: how successful one can be as an elected official, because 291 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 1: you have to be accountable to the very people that 292 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: you have to arrest. And it seems to have worked 293 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: out well. I have appreciated your outspokenness on a number 294 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: of issues, and I know, I know you have been 295 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: asked by a lot of people. It's been written about 296 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: widely in Milwaukee to run for mayor next year, and 297 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: I want you to know. You let me know, and 298 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: I will write you the first check and it will 299 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: be sizeable for your campaign if you do run, and 300 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: I'll hold you the biggest fundraiser you've had in the 301 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: state of Texas the minute you announce, because I think 302 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: you should be the mayor and beyond. I really appreciate 303 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: your outspokenness, your common sense, and your leadership, and so 304 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: thank you for your service to this country. 305 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: Michael's the pleasure to serving. God bless Texas. 306 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: All right, thank you, sir Texas. That's the only state 307 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: people would say that. He wouldn't say God blessed Argus Texas. 308 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: I like that guy. Tell me you wouldn't like to 309 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: have a beer with that guy Ramon. He would straight 310 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: up whip you. He'd just whip you. And if he 311 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: wasn't able to whip you, he would shoot you and 312 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 1: he wouldn't feel bad about it. 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