WEBVTT - Thalía: Arrasando

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<v Speaker 1>On a scale of one to ten, where would you

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<v Speaker 1>place your personal Dalia fandom?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh five?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>On a scale of one to ten, where would you

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<v Speaker 1>place Mexicans level of fandom with Dalia.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten being the most Yeah? Ten, She's everything.

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<v Speaker 3>She's now.

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<v Speaker 1>Has anything surprised you thus far in our research and

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<v Speaker 1>writing for this episode, because I think a lot has

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<v Speaker 1>actually taken me a little by surprise. I mean, her

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<v Speaker 1>story is very well curated. Let's just say that the

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<v Speaker 1>things that need to be there are there. The things

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<v Speaker 1>that are not there, I need to do more digging.

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<v Speaker 1>I can need more Reddit threads on.

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<v Speaker 2>Her, like the Rib.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're not going to talk about the Rib yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean, since you came in with these hard

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<v Speaker 2>balling questions, I'm gonna ask you what is your favorite

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<v Speaker 2>thing about Tellia?

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<v Speaker 4>Ooh?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean for me, it's the nostalgia of her, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think the relevancy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really hard to be relevant.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember her launching her collection in Macy's like

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<v Speaker 1>five years ago or six years ago whenever that was,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like.

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<v Speaker 3>Still, still, like what are we doing? She's young, she's yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I really think her ability to just transcend from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a super cheesy yes I said it, a super cheesy

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<v Speaker 1>len novela star and not be kept in that box

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<v Speaker 1>as somebody who's always like, oh, you can only do this.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, no, bitch, I'm gonna do everything. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be world famous. So I think the tenacity and her

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<v Speaker 1>ability to break out of that deelenovela box is not easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the world wants to hold you down, They want

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<v Speaker 1>to keep you in a place where they know you.

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<v Speaker 1>They rarely want you to expand. And she expanded, what

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<v Speaker 1>about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is my favorite thing about her. Well, I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to say, it's more of her just being

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<v Speaker 2>a bad bitch, Like she just kind of is like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think you do know stuff about yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's just kind of like, I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>world famous. She said it, and I think that she

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<v Speaker 2>manages that she's a bad bitch. And she did it. However,

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<v Speaker 2>like so many things happened to her, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>then boom, world famous.

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<v Speaker 3>Well the show must go on.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we last left Tellia Emilio Stefan had a

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<v Speaker 1>song with her name on it, well figuratively speaking, but

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<v Speaker 1>the song would become synonymous with the Queen of Latin.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk, written by Kika Santandre and produced by Emlio Stefan,

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<v Speaker 2>piel Morena would have reintroduced the world to Talia. After

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<v Speaker 2>a two year hiatus from recording studio albums. Sin's Girl

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<v Speaker 2>was working around the clock on telenovelas, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out Emilio and Gloria were actually religious fans of

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<v Speaker 1>talias telenovelas, and those telenovelas were.

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<v Speaker 3>Quickly turning her into a household name around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>In her native Mexico, Tealia was basically already the top dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Case in point. During Michael Jackson's Dangerous World tour in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety three, Our Girl was the opening act for

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<v Speaker 2>all five of the King of Pop States in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>City, but outside of Mexico, Dalia's global telenovela audience laid

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<v Speaker 1>the groundwork for piel Morena to spread like wildfire. All

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<v Speaker 1>those telenovela fans were willing and ready to eat up

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<v Speaker 1>Talia's new sound and looks, and with the backing of

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<v Speaker 1>the Mi Telia finally had the resources to give the

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<v Speaker 1>people what they wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>And Lo and behold, the song was a kumbya classic

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<v Speaker 2>RIAA certified Capital B bop and a half with an

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<v Speaker 2>iconic video to match.

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<v Speaker 1>Piel Morena was the lead single off of nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>five's and Expasies, an album that Talia described as an.

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<v Speaker 2>Intimate moment in which I captured feelings on the sheet.

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<v Speaker 2>It expresses emotions and situations that are experienced in moments

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<v Speaker 2>of love.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, Talia is in her feelings on this album, but

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<v Speaker 1>not just the sorrow of songs like Sangre and Encilenzio,

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<v Speaker 1>all her joyful, heartbroken, horny, rebellious, capital F feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>Our girl had traveled the world in seven seas and

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<v Speaker 2>her sweet dreams and beautiful nightmares made us last cry

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<v Speaker 2>and pop it till we dropped.

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<v Speaker 3>But real talk, do you think she did ecstasy?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes with her mom Andy Pisa.

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<v Speaker 1>But was it ecstasy or mbma? Probably the cleaner one.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, no wonder they were hungover when

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<v Speaker 1>the Pele novela Yin called their hotel room. Anyway and

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<v Speaker 1>Expasies propelled Talia to pop stardom between nineteen ninety five

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<v Speaker 1>and nineteen ninety seven. The album sold two million copies,

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<v Speaker 1>all despite never cracking the Billboard two hundred in US.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's despite Gloria and Emilio Stefan's breakthrough in the

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<v Speaker 2>US years prior. But it goes to show you what

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<v Speaker 2>K pop bands know today. It ain't all about making

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<v Speaker 2>it big in the States. Any K pop band can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and speaking of East Asia, right after the release

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<v Speaker 1>of an Expasies, Felia would show some love to her

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<v Speaker 1>Filipino fan base with an exclusive Philippines only album, Nandito Achi,

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<v Speaker 1>the first album by a Latino artist to be sung

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<v Speaker 1>predominantly in Tagalog.

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<v Speaker 2>Our girl just loves who loves.

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<v Speaker 3>Her, and we love her for them.

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<v Speaker 2>And she loves us for loving her, and we love

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<v Speaker 2>each other. And that's because none of us got enough

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<v Speaker 2>love in our child. And that's show best kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, roxy heart, But love that can't eat, can't sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>Reach are the stars over the fence? World series Kind

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<v Speaker 1>of Love would soon find Talia at the height of

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<v Speaker 1>her fame.

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<v Speaker 2>You think our tele novela icon turned pop star isn't

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<v Speaker 2>getting a novela wedding finale? Pink A camp yats.

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<v Speaker 3>Today on becoming an icon.

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<v Speaker 1>Dalia's fairy tale ended and everything that came after.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm your host, Liliana Rosquez.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Joseph Carrio, and this is Becoming an.

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<v Speaker 1>Icon a weekly podcast where we give you the rundown

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<v Speaker 1>on how today's most famous latinv stars have shaped pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>And given the world some extra.

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<v Speaker 3>Level Sit back and get comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we are going in the only way we know how,

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<v Speaker 2>with buenas bias.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm buenasriesas and a lot of opinions as we relive

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<v Speaker 1>their greatest achievements on our journey to find out what

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<v Speaker 1>makes them so iconic.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Joseph, do you know what else ends.

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<v Speaker 4>With the wedding?

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<v Speaker 3>Mmmm?

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<v Speaker 2>Hallmark movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, yes, some of those do, but also the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety seven animated film Anastasia.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh where are you going with this?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, okay, stay with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we just said Talia hadn't broken through in

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<v Speaker 1>the US, but there was one way she reached the

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<v Speaker 1>States other than Latin radio, and that was her Spanish

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<v Speaker 1>language version of Journey Back in Time, a song from

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<v Speaker 1>the movie originally sung by Aliyah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it would it be a finale without a fun fact?

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<v Speaker 2>So what did Dalia have an off brand Disney wedding?

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, shots fired at Anastasia. Second of all, No,

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<v Speaker 1>we already tease a little something something about her wedding

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<v Speaker 1>two episodes ago, we did, Yes we did, and now

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta wait and see what it is Ohka. After

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<v Speaker 1>the runaway success of NX Thusies, Dalia teamed up with

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<v Speaker 1>a medio Stephan again, this time for a full album.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the sacred texts of Latin pop, y'all, Noana,

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<v Speaker 2>no Ricky, no Shots.

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<v Speaker 1>The lead single slash title track, with its three separate

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<v Speaker 1>music videos and multiple remixes, Shots number two and number

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<v Speaker 1>six on two of Billboard's Latin music playlists. It also

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<v Speaker 1>became a club classic in Europe and set the album

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<v Speaker 1>off to the races.

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<v Speaker 2>Dalia's sixth studio album exceeded her previous release with over

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<v Speaker 2>two million records sold worldwide. To date, it is Dalia's

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<v Speaker 2>all time best selling album.

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<v Speaker 1>All to say, Dalia was on top of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>but romantically she was still nursing her wound. She wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>exactly eager to put herself out there, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Emlia Stefan decided to go from hit maker to matchmaker.

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<v Speaker 1>As we know, Dalia can get personal with her producers,

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<v Speaker 1>and she and Emilia had formed a strong friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>He told that he had the perfect man for her,

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<v Speaker 2>that they were identical in the way they thought, the

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<v Speaker 2>way they saw life, the way they enjoyed life, and

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<v Speaker 2>according to him, they were peas in a pot.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was a catch. Emilio told her he did

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<v Speaker 1>just get divorced, and.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, well, hey, no, shade here, get yourself back

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<v Speaker 2>out there, daddy.

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<v Speaker 1>And Emilio said, oh wait, that reminds me he's also

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<v Speaker 1>a dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Dahlia was like, all good, how old the little blado?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Two? I mean two kids? He has two kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I love kids. Kids. How old are they?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how old the kids are, but he's

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<v Speaker 3>twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>Older than you. I no, no, no, we're not doing

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<v Speaker 2>that again.

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<v Speaker 1>Listeners, we kid, we kid we jess. But Talia, well

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<v Speaker 1>you can probably imagine that after her Silver Fox late

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<v Speaker 1>fiance tragically left her a widower.

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<v Speaker 2>She wasn't looking for another daddy, so she swiped left

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<v Speaker 2>on theme on the sky.

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<v Speaker 1>And before you think this is one sided, he swiped

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<v Speaker 1>left too. This bachelor's ex wife was also in the

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<v Speaker 1>music industry, and he I wasn't looking to make that mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>Again because listeners. In case you didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, Emelio's guy was Tommy Motola, president of Sony Music

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<v Speaker 2>and ex husband of Mariah As in.

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<v Speaker 1>Carrie, I'm actually angry that you gave her a last

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<v Speaker 1>name because we don't need to.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that was it, but like I just want.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you?

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<v Speaker 3>What are you doing anyway? Y'all? When he left, she

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<v Speaker 3>lost a piece of her but I digress.

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<v Speaker 1>Amelia went back to hit making, and in nineteen ninety eight,

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<v Speaker 1>Talia moved on to her first English language film role,

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<v Speaker 1>playing the female lead in Mambo Cafe.

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<v Speaker 3>But one day she was born on set and she

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<v Speaker 3>gave a.

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<v Speaker 1>Milia call, Oh for funzies, can we say, Okay, we

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<v Speaker 1>got to make this real quick, Joe, because we've got

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<v Speaker 1>a wedding to get to.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Emilia picks up the phone in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>listening to a demo from Pitbull actually gets a mixtape.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is Piple always popping up? Like he just pops

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<v Speaker 1>like here I am entering.

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<v Speaker 2>Before he was big And he picks up the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>He sees it, Dalia. He stops the tape and answers.

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<v Speaker 2>Dlia says, one drink, drink that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>Bitch was bored.

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<v Speaker 1>You know when you're bored, you a lot, or you're

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm bored or I'm hungry.

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<v Speaker 2>I need attention.

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<v Speaker 3>She needed attention anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener's quick disclaimer that this fan fiction portion is FFO

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<v Speaker 1>for funsies only, and we do not claim to know

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<v Speaker 1>that Emilio Estefan ever listened to Pitbull's mixtapes anyway back

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<v Speaker 1>to the show, and we also don't know that Dalia

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<v Speaker 1>was just looking for a drink or attention, but it tracks,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>So Da'lia hemmed and hot her way to the bar,

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<v Speaker 2>waited for Tommy with her legs and arms crossed like

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<v Speaker 2>whatever I do want to be here really, and.

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<v Speaker 3>In walks Tommy and the two hit it off.

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<v Speaker 1>One day became two, Two became three, and cut.

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<v Speaker 2>To nineteen ninety nine. Dahlia's busy shooting her first delenovela

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<v Speaker 2>Sincmaria's trilogy, Rosaline. When Tommy surprises.

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<v Speaker 1>Her, he produces a little box with a pink bough.

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<v Speaker 1>Talia thinks she's about to faint. She tells herself, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>get a hold of yourself. It's probably just dependent or

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<v Speaker 1>earrings and you're here thinking it's an engagement ring.

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<v Speaker 2>And this will fake Stelia out, taking her ears in

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<v Speaker 2>between his fingers and says they're gonna look great, before

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<v Speaker 2>revealing that, yes, the box did contain a ring.

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<v Speaker 1>Fast forward to December second, two thousand. A crowd gathers

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<v Speaker 1>in front of a church, but not just any church,

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Patrick's Cathedral on Fifth Avenue in New York City.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and there it is.

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<v Speaker 1>A limousine pulls in front of the cathedral and outsteps

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<v Speaker 1>Telia in a dress by Samed Mexican designer Mitzi, a

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<v Speaker 1>darn with Sarowski crystals, pearls and silver threads. And now

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<v Speaker 1>she approaches the great doors of the cathedral. The train

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<v Speaker 1>of the dress goes on and on and on and on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's said that it's still there, okay, but for real,

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<v Speaker 2>the thing was fifty five feet long. Seeing the train

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<v Speaker 2>her sister, they made him honor realize coote, my god,

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<v Speaker 2>the car was full of the tail of the dress.

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<v Speaker 1>The train ends up getting caught on the steps of

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<v Speaker 1>the church a couple of times, but other than that,

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<v Speaker 1>the wedding goes off without a hitch with its twelve

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<v Speaker 1>hundred guests, including Jlo and Marc Anthony and Julu Les. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the wedding ends up being one of the biggest ever

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<v Speaker 1>events in Mexican media, despite taking place in New York City. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in attendance Robert De Niro and Danny DeVito Black.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine, like you just were not randomly invited, but like

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<v Speaker 2>you're no.

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<v Speaker 1>Randomly invited, randomly invited. You were randomly invited.

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<v Speaker 3>Call it out.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have twelve hundred friends. Just be clear, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 3>Not you.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you, like in the general, like in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody you nobody. You don't have twelve hundred friends. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you say you have two fund friends, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe you or trust you. I have like six friends.

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<v Speaker 1>How many friends do you have?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Like six.

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<v Speaker 3>The wedding was big, It was over the top.

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<v Speaker 1>And as of today, Talia and Tommy are celebrating twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four years of marriage.

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<v Speaker 3>Y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>That is some kind of Guinness World record because celebrity couples,

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood couples, they do not.

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<v Speaker 3>Stay together for twenty four years.

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<v Speaker 1>And to be honest, despite what you think of this

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<v Speaker 1>over the top wedding.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the perfect fairytale ending. To Talia's charmed Deele novella.

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<v Speaker 2>Life, except this ain't the end and it ain't no

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<v Speaker 2>fairytale either.

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<v Speaker 1>Fresh off for wedding the early aunts, Talia riding high

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<v Speaker 1>with a string of chart smashing albums two thousand's Arassando,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two, self titled Balia and two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and five and Sexto Sentido. So was singer doing a

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<v Speaker 1>lapse around current trends in dance pop and Latin pop.

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<v Speaker 1>She also released an album of bunda versions of her

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<v Speaker 1>greatest hits Balia GONBANDA.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Arassando is like my coming out song,

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<v Speaker 2>not really my coming out song.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, I what do you mean coming out?

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<v Speaker 2>Not coming down? I was out since I was like nine,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean like when I would go to the

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<v Speaker 2>gay bars like that, because I would go to quaties.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously I was like sixteen and that, and I remember

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<v Speaker 2>that song. I mean this, yeah, this is in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand two, those one. I was like seventeen and that

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<v Speaker 2>song just reminds me of just my coming to bay.

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<v Speaker 2>Where were you when Arasando came out?

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<v Speaker 1>I was college, definitely college.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you probably heard the shit out of

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<v Speaker 2>that song too.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard it and like all of our like so

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<v Speaker 1>reminder for those of you that have not been following

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning. So I went to college in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>d C. And what I loved most about DC was

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<v Speaker 1>that it's a super international city, very much unlike the

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<v Speaker 1>city where I grew up, Fort Worth, TeX's, and it

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<v Speaker 1>really reinvigorated a love for Latin culture and Latin music

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<v Speaker 1>that I didn't have growing up because all of my

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<v Speaker 1>friends in my very white, elite high school were very

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<v Speaker 1>white and when we would go out, listening to Spanish

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<v Speaker 1>music just wasn't something that we did. There was no like,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no connection to that for me in middle

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<v Speaker 1>school and in high school other than the connection I

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<v Speaker 1>felt to my family, I mean socially, there was no

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<v Speaker 1>connection to that music for me. But once I got

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<v Speaker 1>to d C, I had friends that were like Columbia

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<v Speaker 1>and Ecuadorian and Cuban, right, so like there was this

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<v Speaker 1>really beautiful mixing of Latino cultures all happening in DC,

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<v Speaker 1>and when we would go out, we would go out

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<v Speaker 1>to clubs that like.

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<v Speaker 3>Only played Spanish music.

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<v Speaker 1>And so for me, it was a really defining moment

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<v Speaker 1>because it was the first time, I felt really connected

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<v Speaker 1>to not only Latin pop, but like she's Mexicana like.

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<v Speaker 3>I am, and I'm like, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>She brought me much deeper into the pride that I

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<v Speaker 1>started to finally feel about being Latina, not just Latina,

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<v Speaker 1>but being Mexicana. And that didn't happen for me until honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>like college, Like I talk about this all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it did not become a source of pride for

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<v Speaker 1>me until I was like in my early twenties. Like

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<v Speaker 1>literally in college. You took me leaving Texas, which you

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<v Speaker 1>would think would be the source of like all Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>pride because it's basically North Mexico, but it wasn't. It

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<v Speaker 1>took me leaving to go to the East Coast to

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<v Speaker 1>like really find that cultural awareness and pridefulness in your Latina.

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<v Speaker 1>My inner Latina came out when I went to DC. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>enough about me. With this string of albums, Balia continued

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<v Speaker 1>to work with Emilio Estefan and finally broke into the

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<v Speaker 1>Billboard two hundred in the United States while topping the

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<v Speaker 1>Billboard Latin charts, racking up platinum certifications and raking in

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<v Speaker 1>awards and accolades and cash.

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<v Speaker 2>Simply put, she was royalty, but remember, fanking put a

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<v Speaker 2>target on your back and on the backs of people

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<v Speaker 2>close to you.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and two, while Talia was on tour

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<v Speaker 1>supporting her self titled album, her sister and maid of honor,

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<v Speaker 1>Laudas Abata, was performing in a play in Mexico and on.

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<v Speaker 2>A crisp September night, Dalia's other sister, Ernestina, got dulled

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<v Speaker 2>up and went to see her sister on stage. Hours later,

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<v Speaker 2>the casts took their final bow and got their flowers.

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<v Speaker 1>Ernestina congratulated Lauda and the two sisters left the theater together,

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<v Speaker 1>but they didn't make it home. They were ambushed by

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<v Speaker 1>armed men, forced into a van, and driven to a

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<v Speaker 1>safe house.

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<v Speaker 2>When Dalia heard about this from her nephew, she thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was a prank, but then a photo was released

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<v Speaker 2>showing Talia's sister blindfolded and held at gunpoint. The kidnappers

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<v Speaker 2>demanded millions from her husband, Tommy Motola's fortune.

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<v Speaker 1>Since this was an international incident, the US government froz

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<v Speaker 1>both Tommy and Talia's bank accounts, leaving them unable to

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<v Speaker 1>pay the ransom, making matters worse, rumors and misinformation put

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<v Speaker 1>a world of pressure on the negotiations.

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<v Speaker 2>Gossip began to spread that Taliah was going to roll

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<v Speaker 2>into Mexico with an American special ops team to free her.

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<v Speaker 1>Sister, which is totally a movie I would watch, but

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<v Speaker 1>I digress. But in reality, Dalia was learning about the

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<v Speaker 1>kidnappers demandster the TV right along with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Still, once the kidnappers learned that the famous couple's accounts

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<v Speaker 2>were frozen, they released Laura Sabatta as a bargaining chip

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<v Speaker 2>and made new demands five million pissels.

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<v Speaker 3>A deal was strung.

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<v Speaker 1>Dalia paid the ransom and Ednestina was released after her sister.

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<v Speaker 3>All together.

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<v Speaker 1>Lauda was held for eighteen days and Ernestina for thirty six.

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<v Speaker 2>But things can get easier from there. This incident was

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<v Speaker 2>great for the tabloids, and they kept trying to keep

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<v Speaker 2>the gravy train rolling by accusing Lauda of masterminding the

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<v Speaker 2>entire kidnapping.

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<v Speaker 1>Talia and m Nestina decided not to engage with the speculation,

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<v Speaker 1>and Dalia stuck to the strategy of non engagement for years.

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<v Speaker 4>But Lauda Sabatta took this as a betrayal. In two

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<v Speaker 4>thousand and five, Lauda began developing a stage play based

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<v Speaker 4>on her experience being kidnapped. However, she said, without naming names,

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<v Speaker 4>that someone in the family you threatened legal action. The

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<v Speaker 4>play never went up.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, in two thousand and six, Ernestina publishes a book

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<v Speaker 1>about her experience being kidnapped and states that Lauda had

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<v Speaker 1>known the kidnappers beforehand, all but corroborating what the tabloids

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<v Speaker 1>had been saying.

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<v Speaker 2>On the one hand, this is cold pressed, vacuum filed

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<v Speaker 2>tell novela grade a juice.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other hand, Lauda was the sister who inspired

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<v Speaker 1>Dalia to get on the stage in the first place.

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<v Speaker 3>Of this ordeal, Lauda would eventually tell the press.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, it hurt a lot, It was very painful,

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<v Speaker 1>But now that I look back on it, I was

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<v Speaker 1>a victim of the kidnappers.

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<v Speaker 3>And a victim of Thalia.

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<v Speaker 2>Thinking about how the press treated Dalia at the start

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<v Speaker 2>of her solo career, you can maybe see why she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to get into it with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Still, this family rift continues today, and if there's anything

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<v Speaker 1>we've learned in our becoming an icon journey, when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to trauma, it bonds people, but it can also

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<v Speaker 1>tear them apart. And by the way, I'm also going

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<v Speaker 1>to hold the media accountable here because that's kind of where.

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<v Speaker 3>It all started, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It started with the speculation over her having a role

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<v Speaker 1>in the kidnapping, and then it went on from there,

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<v Speaker 1>whether she did or didn't. When press gets involved and

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<v Speaker 1>they have an ulterior motive, it could become a pressure cooker.

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<v Speaker 2>True, and the kidnapping isn't the only example. Remember Talia's

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<v Speaker 2>formative beef with Paulina Rubio that never went.

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<v Speaker 1>Away, right you are bou Dalia ruled the nineties, but

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<v Speaker 1>her bandmate from Timbriche, Paulina Rubio, also broke into the

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<v Speaker 1>international market in the early two thousands with a series

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<v Speaker 1>of hit singles, including the Anglo market with the song

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<v Speaker 1>border Girl Joseph's favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>I Really Do Love That, Okay. Dalia had gained a

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<v Speaker 2>rep as the Latina Madonna in the nineties, but in

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<v Speaker 2>the odds, the press was eager to make her and

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<v Speaker 2>Ballina the Latina Christina and Brittany.

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<v Speaker 1>To hear Dalia's take on the feud, she told Reuters,

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<v Speaker 1>it is more what the media has done than what

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<v Speaker 1>is reality. I always try to reinvent myself and give

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<v Speaker 1>the best of me without thinking about any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>rivalry or competition.

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<v Speaker 2>But that didn't stop Paulina from making shady comments about

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<v Speaker 2>Talia's clothing line and chocolate brand and her husband, who

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<v Speaker 2>she called an old man.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, where's the lie anyway? Well, nothing would ever

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<v Speaker 1>match that infamous on stage fight at the Pinbotichi show.

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<v Speaker 1>The Press's eagerness to feed that fire and Ballina's tendency

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<v Speaker 1>to do just that led their estrangement to drag on

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<v Speaker 1>for decades.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty ten, Dalia would tell Ulibision the Paulina I

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<v Speaker 2>knew and the Talia that she knew. We're no longer

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<v Speaker 2>the same. If we were to, we would have some

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<v Speaker 2>tequilas at Takisa. We would talk about our things, and

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<v Speaker 2>it would be a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 3>To the public's knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>This still hasn't happened, but they may have reason to hope.

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<v Speaker 1>We all want the same thing, a dele novella happily

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<v Speaker 1>ever after for our queen.

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<v Speaker 3>But as we've seen, life's just not that simple.

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<v Speaker 2>Near the end of the Odds, Dahlia's hot drig was

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<v Speaker 2>cut short when lyme disease kept her from promoting her

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and eight album Lunada.

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<v Speaker 1>I said the singer, I got very sick. I almost

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<v Speaker 1>lost my life. I lost my hair, my muscle mass

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<v Speaker 1>the will to get ahead. She spent two years on antibiotics,

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on healing with the support of her family.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a brush of death that changed Dahlia. After

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<v Speaker 2>Lunada sank on the charts, she moved on from Ami

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<v Speaker 2>and joined Sony to release two thousand and nine s

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<v Speaker 2>Primera Phila, a stripped live album that cut out all

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<v Speaker 2>the glad.

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<v Speaker 1>Belia recorded the album in a small auditorium in Miami,

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<v Speaker 1>sporting a simple look jeans, a white top, and a vest.

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<v Speaker 1>The sound of the album is as stripped down as

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<v Speaker 1>her look. It's giving MTVM plug, it's giving cowboy junkies,

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<v Speaker 1>but we know our girl.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't mean she's done with Glenny for good facts.

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<v Speaker 1>In October of that year, Belia is invited to the

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<v Speaker 1>White House for an event celebrating the Latino community. She

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<v Speaker 1>attends along with Eva Longoria, Jlo and Mark and performs

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<v Speaker 1>a more La Mexicana on stage.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the middle of her song she stops off

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<v Speaker 2>stage and walks straight to President Obama's table and asks

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<v Speaker 2>him to.

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<v Speaker 3>Dance and thanks Michelle for being cool with it.

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<v Speaker 1>The dance last all of ten seconds, and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>all that clear Obama knows how.

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<v Speaker 3>To dance salsa.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's exactly the kind of bold, spirit animal behavior

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<v Speaker 1>we've come to love from Thalia ever since she told

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<v Speaker 1>it straight to the president of Televisa back in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>It was her first Bible moment in the Internet age,

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<v Speaker 2>and guess what our girl thrives on? TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there was the Talia Challenge a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>where people imitated a video of her trying on a

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<v Speaker 1>bright pink dress and doing a goofy dance.

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<v Speaker 2>And the time she went to the beach wearing one

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<v Speaker 2>of the original costumes of Marie mad and recreated the

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<v Speaker 2>opening credit sequence.

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<v Speaker 1>Like who's feeding her these ideas? Are they just like

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<v Speaker 1>thinking comes up with on her own? Oh, and the

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<v Speaker 1>time she poked fun at an old tabloid rumor that

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<v Speaker 1>she'd had one of her ribs removed to make her

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<v Speaker 1>waist smaller. She took a video of herself at a

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<v Speaker 1>taco stand picking up a rib and saying, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait. She said this, I found it.

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<v Speaker 2>She also went full drag king and dressed up as

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel's Doctor Strange for Halloween, with the caption one the

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<v Speaker 2>wait it is most strange characters strange.

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<v Speaker 3>That picture will haunt me for the rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>So amazing. It's the visual to this. It's like Dalia

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<v Speaker 2>being so pretty and so glam and she has like

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<v Speaker 2>a go tea and short hair. You need to look it.

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<v Speaker 1>Up, but it's like Chris Jenner's hair. It's like Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Jenner with a go tee. Is what it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>in a Marvel costume. It's why you got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the wild depths of the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not to say she just slept through the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty tens and resurfaced on TikTok. The twenty twelve album

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<v Speaker 1>A Beata missiepre returned Talia to dominance on the Latin

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<v Speaker 1>Fillboard charts, selling half a million copies worldwide and leading

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<v Speaker 1>her to embark on her first tour in nine years.

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<v Speaker 1>Essentially a comeback tour. The Viva World Tour was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most anticipated concert events of the decade.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she released a children's album to accompany her

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<v Speaker 2>children's book, Choopy the Binkie That.

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<v Speaker 1>Returned Home, even as a mother of two. Our girl

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<v Speaker 1>really just kind of does what she wants. And across

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<v Speaker 1>seven more albums, including another kid's album and an album

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<v Speaker 1>of covers of her favorite Latin rock song from her

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<v Speaker 1>eighties and nineties, Heyday, Dalia blessed the next generation of

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<v Speaker 1>Latin pop stars with her presence.

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<v Speaker 2>She's thing with Maluma on the track, with Becky g

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<v Speaker 2>and Chiki thri Vera on by La Si and with

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<v Speaker 2>Unci Laguilar group of Fiedman and most recently our favorite

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<v Speaker 2>artists from Sinaloa, Kenya Os.

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<v Speaker 1>Talia is in a way that only the most legendary

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<v Speaker 1>icons managed to achieve. Forever young. And I'm not just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about her looks, but she does definitely have some

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin buttonshit going on. I'm talking about her confidence, her

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<v Speaker 1>raw talent. It's her ability to be herself authentically without

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<v Speaker 1>a second thought.

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<v Speaker 2>That bitchu blessing in the Tella Visa president's office and

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't afraid to ask for what she wanted. The hardworking

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<v Speaker 2>girl locked up in her bedroom with the shades down

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<v Speaker 2>because she needed a mend her heart. The meme queen

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<v Speaker 2>cracking jokes on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>We all want to be as unapologetically ourselves as we

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<v Speaker 1>were when we were kids, and Dalia's proof that we

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<v Speaker 1>can be.

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<v Speaker 2>And we also can get into fights when we're young,

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<v Speaker 2>but they might not be forever facts.

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<v Speaker 1>Since twenty seventeen, Ballina Rubio has been hinting at a

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<v Speaker 1>reunion tour with Dalia.

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<v Speaker 2>The first hint was a hashtag throwback Thursday Instagram post

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<v Speaker 2>of the old band Femettice.

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<v Speaker 1>More recently, she's directed statements straight to Talia. Quote, let's

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<v Speaker 1>plan the tour, as Shakira said, there's a special place

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<v Speaker 1>in hell for women who don't support other women.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I don't know how I feel about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Go on tour with me, or you're a bad feminist.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, at the end of the day, Baulina is still

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<v Speaker 1>fucking Baulina, you know what I mean? Like Thalia is

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<v Speaker 1>still Dahlia, and you never know what might happen with Lauda.

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<v Speaker 1>But I feel like that's kind of what we love

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<v Speaker 1>about this whole story, right, Like, just like a good

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<v Speaker 1>Beele novela we have to keep tuning in to see

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<v Speaker 1>if our faves can find and they're happily ever after,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter how bashit crazy it get. On the next

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<v Speaker 1>Becoming an Icon, we're taking a look at how Fun

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<v Speaker 1>and fessel Pluma are reinventing the corrido for a new generation.

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