Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, where would you
Speaker 1: place your personal Dalia fandom?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh five?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, where would you
Speaker 1: place Mexicans level of fandom with Dalia.
Speaker 2: Ten being the most Yeah? Ten, She's everything.
Speaker 3: She's now.
Speaker 1: Has anything surprised you thus far in our research and
Speaker 1: writing for this episode, because I think a lot has
Speaker 1: actually taken me a little by surprise. I mean, her
Speaker 1: story is very well curated. Let's just say that the
Speaker 1: things that need to be there are there. The things
Speaker 1: that are not there, I need to do more digging.
Speaker 1: I can need more Reddit threads on.
Speaker 2: Her, like the Rib.
Speaker 3: I think we're not going to talk about the Rib yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, since you came in with these hard
Speaker 2: balling questions, I'm gonna ask you what is your favorite
Speaker 2: thing about Tellia?
Speaker 4: Ooh?
Speaker 1: I mean for me, it's the nostalgia of her, and
Speaker 1: I think the relevancy.
Speaker 3: It's really hard to be relevant.
Speaker 1: And I remember her launching her collection in Macy's like
Speaker 1: five years ago or six years ago whenever that was,
Speaker 1: and I was like.
Speaker 3: Still, still, like what are we doing? She's young, she's yeah.
Speaker 1: I really think her ability to just transcend from you know,
Speaker 1: a super cheesy yes I said it, a super cheesy
Speaker 1: len novela star and not be kept in that box
Speaker 1: as somebody who's always like, oh, you can only do this.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, bitch, I'm gonna do everything. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be world famous. So I think the tenacity and her
Speaker 1: ability to break out of that deelenovela box is not easy.
Speaker 1: Like the world wants to hold you down, They want
Speaker 1: to keep you in a place where they know you.
Speaker 1: They rarely want you to expand. And she expanded, what
Speaker 1: about you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is my favorite thing about her. Well, I
Speaker 2: was going to say, it's more of her just being
Speaker 2: a bad bitch, Like she just kind of is like,
Speaker 2: you know, I think you do know stuff about yourself,
Speaker 2: and she's just kind of like, I want to be
Speaker 2: world famous. She said it, and I think that she
Speaker 2: manages that she's a bad bitch. And she did it. However,
Speaker 2: like so many things happened to her, you know, and
Speaker 2: then boom, world famous.
Speaker 3: Well the show must go on.
Speaker 1: And when we last left Tellia Emilio Stefan had a
Speaker 1: song with her name on it, well figuratively speaking, but
Speaker 1: the song would become synonymous with the Queen of Latin.
Speaker 2: Talk, written by Kika Santandre and produced by Emlio Stefan,
Speaker 2: piel Morena would have reintroduced the world to Talia. After
Speaker 2: a two year hiatus from recording studio albums. Sin's Girl
Speaker 2: was working around the clock on telenovelas, and.
Speaker 1: Turns out Emilio and Gloria were actually religious fans of
Speaker 1: talias telenovelas, and those telenovelas were.
Speaker 3: Quickly turning her into a household name around the world.
Speaker 2: In her native Mexico, Tealia was basically already the top dog.
Speaker 2: Case in point. During Michael Jackson's Dangerous World tour in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, Our Girl was the opening act for
Speaker 2: all five of the King of Pop States in Mexico.
Speaker 1: City, but outside of Mexico, Dalia's global telenovela audience laid
Speaker 1: the groundwork for piel Morena to spread like wildfire. All
Speaker 1: those telenovela fans were willing and ready to eat up
Speaker 1: Talia's new sound and looks, and with the backing of
Speaker 1: the Mi Telia finally had the resources to give the
Speaker 1: people what they wanted.
Speaker 2: And Lo and behold, the song was a kumbya classic
Speaker 2: RIAA certified Capital B bop and a half with an
Speaker 2: iconic video to match.
Speaker 1: Piel Morena was the lead single off of nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: five's and Expasies, an album that Talia described as an.
Speaker 2: Intimate moment in which I captured feelings on the sheet.
Speaker 2: It expresses emotions and situations that are experienced in moments
Speaker 2: of love.
Speaker 1: Basically, Talia is in her feelings on this album, but
Speaker 1: not just the sorrow of songs like Sangre and Encilenzio,
Speaker 1: all her joyful, heartbroken, horny, rebellious, capital F feelings.
Speaker 2: Our girl had traveled the world in seven seas and
Speaker 2: her sweet dreams and beautiful nightmares made us last cry
Speaker 2: and pop it till we dropped.
Speaker 3: But real talk, do you think she did ecstasy?
Speaker 2: Yes with her mom Andy Pisa.
Speaker 1: But was it ecstasy or mbma? Probably the cleaner one.
Speaker 1: And by the way, no wonder they were hungover when
Speaker 1: the Pele novela Yin called their hotel room. Anyway and
Speaker 1: Expasies propelled Talia to pop stardom between nineteen ninety five
Speaker 1: and nineteen ninety seven. The album sold two million copies,
Speaker 1: all despite never cracking the Billboard two hundred in US.
Speaker 2: And that's despite Gloria and Emilio Stefan's breakthrough in the
Speaker 2: US years prior. But it goes to show you what
Speaker 2: K pop bands know today. It ain't all about making
Speaker 2: it big in the States. Any K pop band can
Speaker 2: tell you that.
Speaker 1: Oh and speaking of East Asia, right after the release
Speaker 1: of an Expasies, Felia would show some love to her
Speaker 1: Filipino fan base with an exclusive Philippines only album, Nandito Achi,
Speaker 1: the first album by a Latino artist to be sung
Speaker 1: predominantly in Tagalog.
Speaker 2: Our girl just loves who loves.
Speaker 3: Her, and we love her for them.
Speaker 2: And she loves us for loving her, and we love
Speaker 2: each other. And that's because none of us got enough
Speaker 2: love in our child. And that's show best kid.
Speaker 1: Okay, roxy heart, But love that can't eat, can't sleep,
Speaker 1: Reach are the stars over the fence? World series Kind
Speaker 1: of Love would soon find Talia at the height of
Speaker 1: her fame.
Speaker 2: You think our tele novela icon turned pop star isn't
Speaker 2: getting a novela wedding finale? Pink A camp yats.
Speaker 3: Today on becoming an icon.
Speaker 1: Dalia's fairy tale ended and everything that came after.
Speaker 3: I'm your host, Liliana Rosquez.
Speaker 2: And I'm Joseph Carrio, and this is Becoming an.
Speaker 1: Icon a weekly podcast where we give you the rundown
Speaker 1: on how today's most famous latinv stars have shaped pop culture.
Speaker 2: And given the world some extra.
Speaker 3: Level Sit back and get comfortable.
Speaker 2: Because we are going in the only way we know how,
Speaker 2: with buenas bias.
Speaker 1: I'm buenasriesas and a lot of opinions as we relive
Speaker 1: their greatest achievements on our journey to find out what
Speaker 1: makes them so iconic.
Speaker 3: Hey, Joseph, do you know what else ends.
Speaker 4: With the wedding?
Speaker 3: Mmmm?
Speaker 2: Hallmark movies.
Speaker 1: Uh, yes, some of those do, but also the nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety seven animated film Anastasia.
Speaker 2: Uh where are you going with this?
Speaker 3: Well, okay, stay with me.
Speaker 1: I know we just said Talia hadn't broken through in
Speaker 1: the US, but there was one way she reached the
Speaker 1: States other than Latin radio, and that was her Spanish
Speaker 1: language version of Journey Back in Time, a song from
Speaker 1: the movie originally sung by Aliyah.
Speaker 2: Well, it would it be a finale without a fun fact?
Speaker 2: So what did Dalia have an off brand Disney wedding?
Speaker 1: First of all, shots fired at Anastasia. Second of all, No,
Speaker 1: we already tease a little something something about her wedding
Speaker 1: two episodes ago, we did, Yes we did, and now
Speaker 1: you gotta wait and see what it is Ohka. After
Speaker 1: the runaway success of NX Thusies, Dalia teamed up with
Speaker 1: a medio Stephan again, this time for a full album.
Speaker 2: One of the sacred texts of Latin pop, y'all, Noana,
Speaker 2: no Ricky, no Shots.
Speaker 1: The lead single slash title track, with its three separate
Speaker 1: music videos and multiple remixes, Shots number two and number
Speaker 1: six on two of Billboard's Latin music playlists. It also
Speaker 1: became a club classic in Europe and set the album
Speaker 1: off to the races.
Speaker 2: Dalia's sixth studio album exceeded her previous release with over
Speaker 2: two million records sold worldwide. To date, it is Dalia's
Speaker 2: all time best selling album.
Speaker 1: All to say, Dalia was on top of the world,
Speaker 1: but romantically she was still nursing her wound. She wasn't
Speaker 1: exactly eager to put herself out there, so.
Speaker 2: Emlia Stefan decided to go from hit maker to matchmaker.
Speaker 1: As we know, Dalia can get personal with her producers,
Speaker 1: and she and Emilia had formed a strong friendship.
Speaker 2: He told that he had the perfect man for her,
Speaker 2: that they were identical in the way they thought, the
Speaker 2: way they saw life, the way they enjoyed life, and
Speaker 2: according to him, they were peas in a pot.
Speaker 1: But there was a catch. Emilio told her he did
Speaker 1: just get divorced, and.
Speaker 2: She said, well, hey, no, shade here, get yourself back
Speaker 2: out there, daddy.
Speaker 1: And Emilio said, oh wait, that reminds me he's also
Speaker 1: a dad.
Speaker 2: Dahlia was like, all good, how old the little blado?
Speaker 3: Uh? Two? I mean two kids? He has two kids.
Speaker 2: I love kids. Kids. How old are they?
Speaker 3: I don't know how old the kids are, but he's
Speaker 3: twenty years.
Speaker 2: Older than you. I no, no, no, we're not doing
Speaker 2: that again.
Speaker 1: Listeners, we kid, we kid we jess. But Talia, well
Speaker 1: you can probably imagine that after her Silver Fox late
Speaker 1: fiance tragically left her a widower.
Speaker 2: She wasn't looking for another daddy, so she swiped left
Speaker 2: on theme on the sky.
Speaker 1: And before you think this is one sided, he swiped
Speaker 1: left too. This bachelor's ex wife was also in the
Speaker 1: music industry, and he I wasn't looking to make that mistake.
Speaker 3: Again because listeners. In case you didn't.
Speaker 2: Know, Emelio's guy was Tommy Motola, president of Sony Music
Speaker 2: and ex husband of Mariah As in.
Speaker 1: Carrie, I'm actually angry that you gave her a last
Speaker 1: name because we don't need to.
Speaker 2: I know that was it, but like I just want.
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 1: What are you?
Speaker 3: What are you doing anyway? Y'all? When he left, she
Speaker 3: lost a piece of her but I digress.
Speaker 1: Amelia went back to hit making, and in nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 1: Talia moved on to her first English language film role,
Speaker 1: playing the female lead in Mambo Cafe.
Speaker 3: But one day she was born on set and she
Speaker 3: gave a.
Speaker 1: Milia call, Oh for funzies, can we say, Okay, we
Speaker 1: got to make this real quick, Joe, because we've got
Speaker 1: a wedding to get to.
Speaker 2: Okay. Emilia picks up the phone in the middle of
Speaker 2: listening to a demo from Pitbull actually gets a mixtape.
Speaker 1: Why is Piple always popping up? Like he just pops
Speaker 1: like here I am entering.
Speaker 2: Before he was big And he picks up the phone.
Speaker 2: He sees it, Dalia. He stops the tape and answers.
Speaker 2: Dlia says, one drink, drink that's it.
Speaker 3: Bitch was bored.
Speaker 1: You know when you're bored, you a lot, or you're
Speaker 1: like I'm bored or I'm hungry.
Speaker 2: I need attention.
Speaker 3: She needed attention anyway.
Speaker 1: Listener's quick disclaimer that this fan fiction portion is FFO
Speaker 1: for funsies only, and we do not claim to know
Speaker 1: that Emilio Estefan ever listened to Pitbull's mixtapes anyway back
Speaker 1: to the show, and we also don't know that Dalia
Speaker 1: was just looking for a drink or attention, but it tracks,
Speaker 1: so we'll keep going.
Speaker 2: So Da'lia hemmed and hot her way to the bar,
Speaker 2: waited for Tommy with her legs and arms crossed like
Speaker 2: whatever I do want to be here really, and.
Speaker 3: In walks Tommy and the two hit it off.
Speaker 1: One day became two, Two became three, and cut.
Speaker 2: To nineteen ninety nine. Dahlia's busy shooting her first delenovela
Speaker 2: Sincmaria's trilogy, Rosaline. When Tommy surprises.
Speaker 1: Her, he produces a little box with a pink bough.
Speaker 1: Talia thinks she's about to faint. She tells herself, quote,
Speaker 1: get a hold of yourself. It's probably just dependent or
Speaker 1: earrings and you're here thinking it's an engagement ring.
Speaker 2: And this will fake Stelia out, taking her ears in
Speaker 2: between his fingers and says they're gonna look great, before
Speaker 2: revealing that, yes, the box did contain a ring.
Speaker 1: Fast forward to December second, two thousand. A crowd gathers
Speaker 1: in front of a church, but not just any church,
Speaker 1: Saint Patrick's Cathedral on Fifth Avenue in New York City.
Speaker 3: Yes, and there it is.
Speaker 1: A limousine pulls in front of the cathedral and outsteps
Speaker 1: Telia in a dress by Samed Mexican designer Mitzi, a
Speaker 1: darn with Sarowski crystals, pearls and silver threads. And now
Speaker 1: she approaches the great doors of the cathedral. The train
Speaker 1: of the dress goes on and on and on and on.
Speaker 2: It's said that it's still there, okay, but for real,
Speaker 2: the thing was fifty five feet long. Seeing the train
Speaker 2: her sister, they made him honor realize coote, my god,
Speaker 2: the car was full of the tail of the dress.
Speaker 1: The train ends up getting caught on the steps of
Speaker 1: the church a couple of times, but other than that,
Speaker 1: the wedding goes off without a hitch with its twelve
Speaker 1: hundred guests, including Jlo and Marc Anthony and Julu Les. Yes,
Speaker 1: the wedding ends up being one of the biggest ever
Speaker 1: events in Mexican media, despite taking place in New York City. Oh.
Speaker 1: Also in attendance Robert De Niro and Danny DeVito Black.
Speaker 2: Imagine, like you just were not randomly invited, but like
Speaker 2: you're no.
Speaker 1: Randomly invited, randomly invited. You were randomly invited.
Speaker 3: Call it out.
Speaker 1: You don't have twelve hundred friends. Just be clear, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: Not you.
Speaker 1: I mean you, like in the general, like in the world.
Speaker 1: Nobody you nobody. You don't have twelve hundred friends. And
Speaker 1: if you say you have two fund friends, I don't
Speaker 1: believe you or trust you. I have like six friends.
Speaker 1: How many friends do you have?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like that?
Speaker 2: Like six.
Speaker 3: The wedding was big, It was over the top.
Speaker 1: And as of today, Talia and Tommy are celebrating twenty
Speaker 1: four years of marriage.
Speaker 3: Y'all.
Speaker 1: That is some kind of Guinness World record because celebrity couples,
Speaker 1: Hollywood couples, they do not.
Speaker 3: Stay together for twenty four years.
Speaker 1: And to be honest, despite what you think of this
Speaker 1: over the top wedding.
Speaker 3: It's the perfect fairytale ending. To Talia's charmed Deele novella.
Speaker 2: Life, except this ain't the end and it ain't no
Speaker 2: fairytale either.
Speaker 1: Fresh off for wedding the early aunts, Talia riding high
Speaker 1: with a string of chart smashing albums two thousand's Arassando,
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, self titled Balia and two thousand
Speaker 1: and five and Sexto Sentido. So was singer doing a
Speaker 1: lapse around current trends in dance pop and Latin pop.
Speaker 1: She also released an album of bunda versions of her
Speaker 1: greatest hits Balia GONBANDA.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Arassando is like my coming out song,
Speaker 2: not really my coming out song.
Speaker 3: But like, I what do you mean coming out?
Speaker 2: Not coming down? I was out since I was like nine,
Speaker 2: but I mean like when I would go to the
Speaker 2: gay bars like that, because I would go to quaties.
Speaker 2: Obviously I was like sixteen and that, and I remember
Speaker 2: that song. I mean this, yeah, this is in two
Speaker 2: thousand two, those one. I was like seventeen and that
Speaker 2: song just reminds me of just my coming to bay.
Speaker 2: Where were you when Arasando came out?
Speaker 1: I was college, definitely college.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you probably heard the shit out of
Speaker 2: that song too.
Speaker 1: I heard it and like all of our like so
Speaker 1: reminder for those of you that have not been following
Speaker 1: from the beginning. So I went to college in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. And what I loved most about DC was
Speaker 1: that it's a super international city, very much unlike the
Speaker 1: city where I grew up, Fort Worth, TeX's, and it
Speaker 1: really reinvigorated a love for Latin culture and Latin music
Speaker 1: that I didn't have growing up because all of my
Speaker 1: friends in my very white, elite high school were very
Speaker 1: white and when we would go out, listening to Spanish
Speaker 1: music just wasn't something that we did. There was no like,
Speaker 1: there was no connection to that for me in middle
Speaker 1: school and in high school other than the connection I
Speaker 1: felt to my family, I mean socially, there was no
Speaker 1: connection to that music for me. But once I got
Speaker 1: to d C, I had friends that were like Columbia
Speaker 1: and Ecuadorian and Cuban, right, so like there was this
Speaker 1: really beautiful mixing of Latino cultures all happening in DC,
Speaker 1: and when we would go out, we would go out
Speaker 1: to clubs that like.
Speaker 3: Only played Spanish music.
Speaker 1: And so for me, it was a really defining moment
Speaker 1: because it was the first time, I felt really connected
Speaker 1: to not only Latin pop, but like she's Mexicana like.
Speaker 3: I am, and I'm like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: She brought me much deeper into the pride that I
Speaker 1: started to finally feel about being Latina, not just Latina,
Speaker 1: but being Mexicana. And that didn't happen for me until honestly,
Speaker 1: like college, Like I talk about this all the time,
Speaker 1: Like it did not become a source of pride for
Speaker 1: me until I was like in my early twenties. Like
Speaker 1: literally in college. You took me leaving Texas, which you
Speaker 1: would think would be the source of like all Mexican
Speaker 1: pride because it's basically North Mexico, but it wasn't. It
Speaker 1: took me leaving to go to the East Coast to
Speaker 1: like really find that cultural awareness and pridefulness in your Latina.
Speaker 1: My inner Latina came out when I went to DC. Anyway,
Speaker 1: enough about me. With this string of albums, Balia continued
Speaker 1: to work with Emilio Estefan and finally broke into the
Speaker 1: Billboard two hundred in the United States while topping the
Speaker 1: Billboard Latin charts, racking up platinum certifications and raking in
Speaker 1: awards and accolades and cash.
Speaker 2: Simply put, she was royalty, but remember, fanking put a
Speaker 2: target on your back and on the backs of people
Speaker 2: close to you.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and two, while Talia was on tour
Speaker 1: supporting her self titled album, her sister and maid of honor,
Speaker 1: Laudas Abata, was performing in a play in Mexico and on.
Speaker 2: A crisp September night, Dalia's other sister, Ernestina, got dulled
Speaker 2: up and went to see her sister on stage. Hours later,
Speaker 2: the casts took their final bow and got their flowers.
Speaker 1: Ernestina congratulated Lauda and the two sisters left the theater together,
Speaker 1: but they didn't make it home. They were ambushed by
Speaker 1: armed men, forced into a van, and driven to a
Speaker 1: safe house.
Speaker 2: When Dalia heard about this from her nephew, she thought
Speaker 2: it was a prank, but then a photo was released
Speaker 2: showing Talia's sister blindfolded and held at gunpoint. The kidnappers
Speaker 2: demanded millions from her husband, Tommy Motola's fortune.
Speaker 1: Since this was an international incident, the US government froz
Speaker 1: both Tommy and Talia's bank accounts, leaving them unable to
Speaker 1: pay the ransom, making matters worse, rumors and misinformation put
Speaker 1: a world of pressure on the negotiations.
Speaker 2: Gossip began to spread that Taliah was going to roll
Speaker 2: into Mexico with an American special ops team to free her.
Speaker 1: Sister, which is totally a movie I would watch, but
Speaker 1: I digress. But in reality, Dalia was learning about the
Speaker 1: kidnappers demandster the TV right along with us.
Speaker 2: Still, once the kidnappers learned that the famous couple's accounts
Speaker 2: were frozen, they released Laura Sabatta as a bargaining chip
Speaker 2: and made new demands five million pissels.
Speaker 3: A deal was strung.
Speaker 1: Dalia paid the ransom and Ednestina was released after her sister.
Speaker 3: All together.
Speaker 1: Lauda was held for eighteen days and Ernestina for thirty six.
Speaker 2: But things can get easier from there. This incident was
Speaker 2: great for the tabloids, and they kept trying to keep
Speaker 2: the gravy train rolling by accusing Lauda of masterminding the
Speaker 2: entire kidnapping.
Speaker 1: Talia and m Nestina decided not to engage with the speculation,
Speaker 1: and Dalia stuck to the strategy of non engagement for years.
Speaker 4: But Lauda Sabatta took this as a betrayal. In two
Speaker 4: thousand and five, Lauda began developing a stage play based
Speaker 4: on her experience being kidnapped. However, she said, without naming names,
Speaker 4: that someone in the family you threatened legal action. The
Speaker 4: play never went up.
Speaker 1: Then, in two thousand and six, Ernestina publishes a book
Speaker 1: about her experience being kidnapped and states that Lauda had
Speaker 1: known the kidnappers beforehand, all but corroborating what the tabloids
Speaker 1: had been saying.
Speaker 2: On the one hand, this is cold pressed, vacuum filed
Speaker 2: tell novela grade a juice.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, Lauda was the sister who inspired
Speaker 1: Dalia to get on the stage in the first place.
Speaker 3: Of this ordeal, Lauda would eventually tell the press.
Speaker 1: At the time, it hurt a lot, It was very painful,
Speaker 1: But now that I look back on it, I was
Speaker 1: a victim of the kidnappers.
Speaker 3: And a victim of Thalia.
Speaker 2: Thinking about how the press treated Dalia at the start
Speaker 2: of her solo career, you can maybe see why she
Speaker 2: didn't want to get into it with them.
Speaker 1: Still, this family rift continues today, and if there's anything
Speaker 1: we've learned in our becoming an icon journey, when it
Speaker 1: comes to trauma, it bonds people, but it can also
Speaker 1: tear them apart. And by the way, I'm also going
Speaker 1: to hold the media accountable here because that's kind of where.
Speaker 3: It all started, right.
Speaker 1: It started with the speculation over her having a role
Speaker 1: in the kidnapping, and then it went on from there,
Speaker 1: whether she did or didn't. When press gets involved and
Speaker 1: they have an ulterior motive, it could become a pressure cooker.
Speaker 2: True, and the kidnapping isn't the only example. Remember Talia's
Speaker 2: formative beef with Paulina Rubio that never went.
Speaker 1: Away, right you are bou Dalia ruled the nineties, but
Speaker 1: her bandmate from Timbriche, Paulina Rubio, also broke into the
Speaker 1: international market in the early two thousands with a series
Speaker 1: of hit singles, including the Anglo market with the song
Speaker 1: border Girl Joseph's favorite.
Speaker 2: I Really Do Love That, Okay. Dalia had gained a
Speaker 2: rep as the Latina Madonna in the nineties, but in
Speaker 2: the odds, the press was eager to make her and
Speaker 2: Ballina the Latina Christina and Brittany.
Speaker 1: To hear Dalia's take on the feud, she told Reuters,
Speaker 1: it is more what the media has done than what
Speaker 1: is reality. I always try to reinvent myself and give
Speaker 1: the best of me without thinking about any kind of
Speaker 1: rivalry or competition.
Speaker 2: But that didn't stop Paulina from making shady comments about
Speaker 2: Talia's clothing line and chocolate brand and her husband, who
Speaker 2: she called an old man.
Speaker 1: I mean, where's the lie anyway? Well, nothing would ever
Speaker 1: match that infamous on stage fight at the Pinbotichi show.
Speaker 1: The Press's eagerness to feed that fire and Ballina's tendency
Speaker 1: to do just that led their estrangement to drag on
Speaker 1: for decades.
Speaker 2: In twenty ten, Dalia would tell Ulibision the Paulina I
Speaker 2: knew and the Talia that she knew. We're no longer
Speaker 2: the same. If we were to, we would have some
Speaker 2: tequilas at Takisa. We would talk about our things, and
Speaker 2: it would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: To the public's knowledge.
Speaker 1: This still hasn't happened, but they may have reason to hope.
Speaker 1: We all want the same thing, a dele novella happily
Speaker 1: ever after for our queen.
Speaker 3: But as we've seen, life's just not that simple.
Speaker 2: Near the end of the Odds, Dahlia's hot drig was
Speaker 2: cut short when lyme disease kept her from promoting her
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight album Lunada.
Speaker 1: I said the singer, I got very sick. I almost
Speaker 1: lost my life. I lost my hair, my muscle mass
Speaker 1: the will to get ahead. She spent two years on antibiotics,
Speaker 1: focusing on healing with the support of her family.
Speaker 2: It was a brush of death that changed Dahlia. After
Speaker 2: Lunada sank on the charts, she moved on from Ami
Speaker 2: and joined Sony to release two thousand and nine s
Speaker 2: Primera Phila, a stripped live album that cut out all
Speaker 2: the glad.
Speaker 1: Belia recorded the album in a small auditorium in Miami,
Speaker 1: sporting a simple look jeans, a white top, and a vest.
Speaker 1: The sound of the album is as stripped down as
Speaker 1: her look. It's giving MTVM plug, it's giving cowboy junkies,
Speaker 1: but we know our girl.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean she's done with Glenny for good facts.
Speaker 1: In October of that year, Belia is invited to the
Speaker 1: White House for an event celebrating the Latino community. She
Speaker 1: attends along with Eva Longoria, Jlo and Mark and performs
Speaker 1: a more La Mexicana on stage.
Speaker 2: And in the middle of her song she stops off
Speaker 2: stage and walks straight to President Obama's table and asks
Speaker 2: him to.
Speaker 3: Dance and thanks Michelle for being cool with it.
Speaker 1: The dance last all of ten seconds, and it's not
Speaker 1: all that clear Obama knows how.
Speaker 3: To dance salsa.
Speaker 1: But it's exactly the kind of bold, spirit animal behavior
Speaker 1: we've come to love from Thalia ever since she told
Speaker 1: it straight to the president of Televisa back in the eighties.
Speaker 2: It was her first Bible moment in the Internet age,
Speaker 2: and guess what our girl thrives on? TikTok.
Speaker 1: Then there was the Talia Challenge a few years ago,
Speaker 1: where people imitated a video of her trying on a
Speaker 1: bright pink dress and doing a goofy dance.
Speaker 2: And the time she went to the beach wearing one
Speaker 2: of the original costumes of Marie mad and recreated the
Speaker 2: opening credit sequence.
Speaker 1: Like who's feeding her these ideas? Are they just like
Speaker 1: thinking comes up with on her own? Oh, and the
Speaker 1: time she poked fun at an old tabloid rumor that
Speaker 1: she'd had one of her ribs removed to make her
Speaker 1: waist smaller. She took a video of herself at a
Speaker 1: taco stand picking up a rib and saying, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't wait. She said this, I found it.
Speaker 2: She also went full drag king and dressed up as
Speaker 2: Marvel's Doctor Strange for Halloween, with the caption one the
Speaker 2: wait it is most strange characters strange.
Speaker 3: That picture will haunt me for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: So amazing. It's the visual to this. It's like Dalia
Speaker 2: being so pretty and so glam and she has like
Speaker 2: a go tea and short hair. You need to look it.
Speaker 1: Up, but it's like Chris Jenner's hair. It's like Chris
Speaker 1: Jenner with a go tee. Is what it looks like
Speaker 1: in a Marvel costume. It's why you got it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: This is the wild depths of the Internet.
Speaker 1: But that's not to say she just slept through the
Speaker 1: twenty tens and resurfaced on TikTok. The twenty twelve album
Speaker 1: A Beata missiepre returned Talia to dominance on the Latin
Speaker 1: Fillboard charts, selling half a million copies worldwide and leading
Speaker 1: her to embark on her first tour in nine years.
Speaker 1: Essentially a comeback tour. The Viva World Tour was one
Speaker 1: of the most anticipated concert events of the decade.
Speaker 2: And then she released a children's album to accompany her
Speaker 2: children's book, Choopy the Binkie That.
Speaker 1: Returned Home, even as a mother of two. Our girl
Speaker 1: really just kind of does what she wants. And across
Speaker 1: seven more albums, including another kid's album and an album
Speaker 1: of covers of her favorite Latin rock song from her
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, Heyday, Dalia blessed the next generation of
Speaker 1: Latin pop stars with her presence.
Speaker 2: She's thing with Maluma on the track, with Becky g
Speaker 2: and Chiki thri Vera on by La Si and with
Speaker 2: Unci Laguilar group of Fiedman and most recently our favorite
Speaker 2: artists from Sinaloa, Kenya Os.
Speaker 1: Talia is in a way that only the most legendary
Speaker 1: icons managed to achieve. Forever young. And I'm not just
Speaker 1: talking about her looks, but she does definitely have some
Speaker 1: Benjamin buttonshit going on. I'm talking about her confidence, her
Speaker 1: raw talent. It's her ability to be herself authentically without
Speaker 1: a second thought.
Speaker 2: That bitchu blessing in the Tella Visa president's office and
Speaker 2: wasn't afraid to ask for what she wanted. The hardworking
Speaker 2: girl locked up in her bedroom with the shades down
Speaker 2: because she needed a mend her heart. The meme queen
Speaker 2: cracking jokes on social media.
Speaker 1: We all want to be as unapologetically ourselves as we
Speaker 1: were when we were kids, and Dalia's proof that we
Speaker 1: can be.
Speaker 2: And we also can get into fights when we're young,
Speaker 2: but they might not be forever facts.
Speaker 1: Since twenty seventeen, Ballina Rubio has been hinting at a
Speaker 1: reunion tour with Dalia.
Speaker 2: The first hint was a hashtag throwback Thursday Instagram post
Speaker 2: of the old band Femettice.
Speaker 1: More recently, she's directed statements straight to Talia. Quote, let's
Speaker 1: plan the tour, as Shakira said, there's a special place
Speaker 1: in hell for women who don't support other women.
Speaker 3: Oh I don't know how I feel about that.
Speaker 2: Go on tour with me, or you're a bad feminist.
Speaker 1: Look, at the end of the day, Baulina is still
Speaker 1: fucking Baulina, you know what I mean? Like Thalia is
Speaker 1: still Dahlia, and you never know what might happen with Lauda.
Speaker 1: But I feel like that's kind of what we love
Speaker 1: about this whole story, right, Like, just like a good
Speaker 1: Beele novela we have to keep tuning in to see
Speaker 1: if our faves can find and they're happily ever after,
Speaker 1: no matter how bashit crazy it get. On the next
Speaker 1: Becoming an Icon, we're taking a look at how Fun
Speaker 1: and fessel Pluma are reinventing the corrido for a new generation.
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