1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, where would you 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: place your personal Dalia fandom? 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: Oh gosh five? 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 3: Okay? 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, where would you 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: place Mexicans level of fandom with Dalia. 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 2: Ten being the most Yeah? Ten, She's everything. 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 3: She's now. 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: Has anything surprised you thus far in our research and 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: writing for this episode, because I think a lot has 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: actually taken me a little by surprise. I mean, her 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: story is very well curated. Let's just say that the 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: things that need to be there are there. The things 14 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: that are not there, I need to do more digging. 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: I can need more Reddit threads on. 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: Her, like the Rib. 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 3: I think we're not going to talk about the Rib yet. 18 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, since you came in with these hard 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: balling questions, I'm gonna ask you what is your favorite 20 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: thing about Tellia? 21 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 4: Ooh? 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: I mean for me, it's the nostalgia of her, and 23 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: I think the relevancy. 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 3: It's really hard to be relevant. 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: And I remember her launching her collection in Macy's like 26 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: five years ago or six years ago whenever that was, 27 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: and I was like. 28 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 3: Still, still, like what are we doing? She's young, she's yeah. 29 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: I really think her ability to just transcend from you know, 30 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: a super cheesy yes I said it, a super cheesy 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: len novela star and not be kept in that box 32 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: as somebody who's always like, oh, you can only do this. 33 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: She's like, no, bitch, I'm gonna do everything. I'm gonna 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: be world famous. So I think the tenacity and her 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: ability to break out of that deelenovela box is not easy. 36 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: Like the world wants to hold you down, They want 37 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: to keep you in a place where they know you. 38 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: They rarely want you to expand. And she expanded, what 39 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: about you? 40 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is my favorite thing about her. Well, I 41 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: was going to say, it's more of her just being 42 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: a bad bitch, Like she just kind of is like, 43 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: you know, I think you do know stuff about yourself, 44 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 2: and she's just kind of like, I want to be 45 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: world famous. She said it, and I think that she 46 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: manages that she's a bad bitch. And she did it. However, 47 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: like so many things happened to her, you know, and 48 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: then boom, world famous. 49 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: Well the show must go on. 50 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: And when we last left Tellia Emilio Stefan had a 51 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: song with her name on it, well figuratively speaking, but 52 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: the song would become synonymous with the Queen of Latin. 53 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: Talk, written by Kika Santandre and produced by Emlio Stefan, 54 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: piel Morena would have reintroduced the world to Talia. After 55 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 2: a two year hiatus from recording studio albums. Sin's Girl 56 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: was working around the clock on telenovelas, and. 57 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: Turns out Emilio and Gloria were actually religious fans of 58 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: talias telenovelas, and those telenovelas were. 59 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 3: Quickly turning her into a household name around the world. 60 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 2: In her native Mexico, Tealia was basically already the top dog. 61 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: Case in point. During Michael Jackson's Dangerous World tour in 62 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, Our Girl was the opening act for 63 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: all five of the King of Pop States in Mexico. 64 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: City, but outside of Mexico, Dalia's global telenovela audience laid 65 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: the groundwork for piel Morena to spread like wildfire. All 66 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: those telenovela fans were willing and ready to eat up 67 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: Talia's new sound and looks, and with the backing of 68 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: the Mi Telia finally had the resources to give the 69 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: people what they wanted. 70 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: And Lo and behold, the song was a kumbya classic 71 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: RIAA certified Capital B bop and a half with an 72 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: iconic video to match. 73 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: Piel Morena was the lead single off of nineteen ninety 74 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: five's and Expasies, an album that Talia described as an. 75 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: Intimate moment in which I captured feelings on the sheet. 76 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: It expresses emotions and situations that are experienced in moments 77 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: of love. 78 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: Basically, Talia is in her feelings on this album, but 79 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: not just the sorrow of songs like Sangre and Encilenzio, 80 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: all her joyful, heartbroken, horny, rebellious, capital F feelings. 81 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: Our girl had traveled the world in seven seas and 82 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: her sweet dreams and beautiful nightmares made us last cry 83 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: and pop it till we dropped. 84 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: But real talk, do you think she did ecstasy? 85 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: Yes with her mom Andy Pisa. 86 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: But was it ecstasy or mbma? Probably the cleaner one. 87 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: And by the way, no wonder they were hungover when 88 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: the Pele novela Yin called their hotel room. Anyway and 89 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: Expasies propelled Talia to pop stardom between nineteen ninety five 90 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: and nineteen ninety seven. The album sold two million copies, 91 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: all despite never cracking the Billboard two hundred in US. 92 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: And that's despite Gloria and Emilio Stefan's breakthrough in the 93 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: US years prior. But it goes to show you what 94 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 2: K pop bands know today. It ain't all about making 95 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: it big in the States. Any K pop band can 96 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: tell you that. 97 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: Oh and speaking of East Asia, right after the release 98 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: of an Expasies, Felia would show some love to her 99 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: Filipino fan base with an exclusive Philippines only album, Nandito Achi, 100 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: the first album by a Latino artist to be sung 101 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: predominantly in Tagalog. 102 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 2: Our girl just loves who loves. 103 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: Her, and we love her for them. 104 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: And she loves us for loving her, and we love 105 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: each other. And that's because none of us got enough 106 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: love in our child. And that's show best kid. 107 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,679 Speaker 1: Okay, roxy heart, But love that can't eat, can't sleep, 108 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: Reach are the stars over the fence? World series Kind 109 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: of Love would soon find Talia at the height of 110 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: her fame. 111 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,119 Speaker 2: You think our tele novela icon turned pop star isn't 112 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: getting a novela wedding finale? Pink A camp yats. 113 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: Today on becoming an icon. 114 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: Dalia's fairy tale ended and everything that came after. 115 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 3: I'm your host, Liliana Rosquez. 116 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: And I'm Joseph Carrio, and this is Becoming an. 117 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: Icon a weekly podcast where we give you the rundown 118 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: on how today's most famous latinv stars have shaped pop culture. 119 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: And given the world some extra. 120 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: Level Sit back and get comfortable. 121 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 2: Because we are going in the only way we know how, 122 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: with buenas bias. 123 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm buenasriesas and a lot of opinions as we relive 124 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: their greatest achievements on our journey to find out what 125 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: makes them so iconic. 126 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 3: Hey, Joseph, do you know what else ends. 127 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 4: With the wedding? 128 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: Mmmm? 129 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: Hallmark movies. 130 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: Uh, yes, some of those do, but also the nineteen 131 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: ninety seven animated film Anastasia. 132 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: Uh where are you going with this? 133 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 3: Well, okay, stay with me. 134 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: I know we just said Talia hadn't broken through in 135 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: the US, but there was one way she reached the 136 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: States other than Latin radio, and that was her Spanish 137 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: language version of Journey Back in Time, a song from 138 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: the movie originally sung by Aliyah. 139 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: Well, it would it be a finale without a fun fact? 140 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: So what did Dalia have an off brand Disney wedding? 141 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: First of all, shots fired at Anastasia. Second of all, No, 142 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: we already tease a little something something about her wedding 143 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: two episodes ago, we did, Yes we did, and now 144 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: you gotta wait and see what it is Ohka. After 145 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: the runaway success of NX Thusies, Dalia teamed up with 146 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: a medio Stephan again, this time for a full album. 147 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: One of the sacred texts of Latin pop, y'all, Noana, 148 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: no Ricky, no Shots. 149 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: The lead single slash title track, with its three separate 150 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: music videos and multiple remixes, Shots number two and number 151 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: six on two of Billboard's Latin music playlists. It also 152 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: became a club classic in Europe and set the album 153 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: off to the races. 154 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: Dalia's sixth studio album exceeded her previous release with over 155 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 2: two million records sold worldwide. To date, it is Dalia's 156 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: all time best selling album. 157 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: All to say, Dalia was on top of the world, 158 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: but romantically she was still nursing her wound. She wasn't 159 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: exactly eager to put herself out there, so. 160 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: Emlia Stefan decided to go from hit maker to matchmaker. 161 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: As we know, Dalia can get personal with her producers, 162 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: and she and Emilia had formed a strong friendship. 163 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: He told that he had the perfect man for her, 164 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: that they were identical in the way they thought, the 165 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 2: way they saw life, the way they enjoyed life, and 166 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: according to him, they were peas in a pot. 167 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: But there was a catch. Emilio told her he did 168 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: just get divorced, and. 169 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 2: She said, well, hey, no, shade here, get yourself back 170 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: out there, daddy. 171 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: And Emilio said, oh wait, that reminds me he's also 172 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: a dad. 173 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 2: Dahlia was like, all good, how old the little blado? 174 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 3: Uh? Two? I mean two kids? He has two kids. 175 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: I love kids. Kids. How old are they? 176 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: I don't know how old the kids are, but he's 177 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: twenty years. 178 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: Older than you. I no, no, no, we're not doing 179 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: that again. 180 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: Listeners, we kid, we kid we jess. But Talia, well 181 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: you can probably imagine that after her Silver Fox late 182 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: fiance tragically left her a widower. 183 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: She wasn't looking for another daddy, so she swiped left 184 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: on theme on the sky. 185 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: And before you think this is one sided, he swiped 186 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: left too. This bachelor's ex wife was also in the 187 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: music industry, and he I wasn't looking to make that mistake. 188 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: Again because listeners. In case you didn't. 189 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: Know, Emelio's guy was Tommy Motola, president of Sony Music 190 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: and ex husband of Mariah As in. 191 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: Carrie, I'm actually angry that you gave her a last 192 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: name because we don't need to. 193 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: I know that was it, but like I just want. 194 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 3: What are you doing? 195 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: What are you? 196 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 3: What are you doing anyway? Y'all? When he left, she 197 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 3: lost a piece of her but I digress. 198 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: Amelia went back to hit making, and in nineteen ninety eight, 199 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: Talia moved on to her first English language film role, 200 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: playing the female lead in Mambo Cafe. 201 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: But one day she was born on set and she 202 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: gave a. 203 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: Milia call, Oh for funzies, can we say, Okay, we 204 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: got to make this real quick, Joe, because we've got 205 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: a wedding to get to. 206 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: Okay. Emilia picks up the phone in the middle of 207 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: listening to a demo from Pitbull actually gets a mixtape. 208 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: Why is Piple always popping up? Like he just pops 209 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: like here I am entering. 210 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: Before he was big And he picks up the phone. 211 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: He sees it, Dalia. He stops the tape and answers. 212 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: Dlia says, one drink, drink that's it. 213 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: Bitch was bored. 214 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: You know when you're bored, you a lot, or you're 215 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: like I'm bored or I'm hungry. 216 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: I need attention. 217 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 3: She needed attention anyway. 218 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: Listener's quick disclaimer that this fan fiction portion is FFO 219 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: for funsies only, and we do not claim to know 220 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: that Emilio Estefan ever listened to Pitbull's mixtapes anyway back 221 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: to the show, and we also don't know that Dalia 222 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: was just looking for a drink or attention, but it tracks, 223 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: so we'll keep going. 224 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: So Da'lia hemmed and hot her way to the bar, 225 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: waited for Tommy with her legs and arms crossed like 226 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 2: whatever I do want to be here really, and. 227 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 3: In walks Tommy and the two hit it off. 228 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: One day became two, Two became three, and cut. 229 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: To nineteen ninety nine. Dahlia's busy shooting her first delenovela 230 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: Sincmaria's trilogy, Rosaline. When Tommy surprises. 231 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: Her, he produces a little box with a pink bough. 232 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: Talia thinks she's about to faint. She tells herself, quote, 233 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: get a hold of yourself. It's probably just dependent or 234 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: earrings and you're here thinking it's an engagement ring. 235 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: And this will fake Stelia out, taking her ears in 236 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: between his fingers and says they're gonna look great, before 237 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: revealing that, yes, the box did contain a ring. 238 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: Fast forward to December second, two thousand. A crowd gathers 239 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: in front of a church, but not just any church, 240 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: Saint Patrick's Cathedral on Fifth Avenue in New York City. 241 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 3: Yes, and there it is. 242 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: A limousine pulls in front of the cathedral and outsteps 243 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: Telia in a dress by Samed Mexican designer Mitzi, a 244 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: darn with Sarowski crystals, pearls and silver threads. And now 245 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: she approaches the great doors of the cathedral. The train 246 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: of the dress goes on and on and on and on. 247 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: It's said that it's still there, okay, but for real, 248 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: the thing was fifty five feet long. Seeing the train 249 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: her sister, they made him honor realize coote, my god, 250 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: the car was full of the tail of the dress. 251 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: The train ends up getting caught on the steps of 252 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: the church a couple of times, but other than that, 253 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: the wedding goes off without a hitch with its twelve 254 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: hundred guests, including Jlo and Marc Anthony and Julu Les. Yes, 255 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: the wedding ends up being one of the biggest ever 256 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: events in Mexican media, despite taking place in New York City. Oh. 257 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: Also in attendance Robert De Niro and Danny DeVito Black. 258 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 2: Imagine, like you just were not randomly invited, but like 259 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: you're no. 260 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: Randomly invited, randomly invited. You were randomly invited. 261 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: Call it out. 262 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: You don't have twelve hundred friends. Just be clear, no, no, no. 263 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: Not you. 264 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: I mean you, like in the general, like in the world. 265 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: Nobody you nobody. You don't have twelve hundred friends. And 266 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: if you say you have two fund friends, I don't 267 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: believe you or trust you. I have like six friends. 268 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: How many friends do you have? 269 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? 270 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 3: Like that? 271 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: Like six. 272 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: The wedding was big, It was over the top. 273 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: And as of today, Talia and Tommy are celebrating twenty 274 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: four years of marriage. 275 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 3: Y'all. 276 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: That is some kind of Guinness World record because celebrity couples, 277 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: Hollywood couples, they do not. 278 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: Stay together for twenty four years. 279 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: And to be honest, despite what you think of this 280 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: over the top wedding. 281 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: It's the perfect fairytale ending. To Talia's charmed Deele novella. 282 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: Life, except this ain't the end and it ain't no 283 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 2: fairytale either. 284 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: Fresh off for wedding the early aunts, Talia riding high 285 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: with a string of chart smashing albums two thousand's Arassando, 286 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: two thousand and two, self titled Balia and two thousand 287 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: and five and Sexto Sentido. So was singer doing a 288 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: lapse around current trends in dance pop and Latin pop. 289 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: She also released an album of bunda versions of her 290 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: greatest hits Balia GONBANDA. 291 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Arassando is like my coming out song, 292 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: not really my coming out song. 293 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 3: But like, I what do you mean coming out? 294 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: Not coming down? I was out since I was like nine, 295 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: but I mean like when I would go to the 296 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: gay bars like that, because I would go to quaties. 297 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: Obviously I was like sixteen and that, and I remember 298 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: that song. I mean this, yeah, this is in two 299 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: thousand two, those one. I was like seventeen and that 300 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: song just reminds me of just my coming to bay. 301 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: Where were you when Arasando came out? 302 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: I was college, definitely college. 303 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you probably heard the shit out of 304 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: that song too. 305 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: I heard it and like all of our like so 306 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: reminder for those of you that have not been following 307 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: from the beginning. So I went to college in Washington, 308 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: d C. And what I loved most about DC was 309 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: that it's a super international city, very much unlike the 310 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: city where I grew up, Fort Worth, TeX's, and it 311 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: really reinvigorated a love for Latin culture and Latin music 312 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: that I didn't have growing up because all of my 313 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: friends in my very white, elite high school were very 314 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: white and when we would go out, listening to Spanish 315 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: music just wasn't something that we did. There was no like, 316 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: there was no connection to that for me in middle 317 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: school and in high school other than the connection I 318 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: felt to my family, I mean socially, there was no 319 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: connection to that music for me. But once I got 320 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: to d C, I had friends that were like Columbia 321 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: and Ecuadorian and Cuban, right, so like there was this 322 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: really beautiful mixing of Latino cultures all happening in DC, 323 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: and when we would go out, we would go out 324 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: to clubs that like. 325 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 3: Only played Spanish music. 326 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: And so for me, it was a really defining moment 327 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: because it was the first time, I felt really connected 328 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: to not only Latin pop, but like she's Mexicana like. 329 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: I am, and I'm like, yeah, yeah. 330 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: She brought me much deeper into the pride that I 331 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: started to finally feel about being Latina, not just Latina, 332 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: but being Mexicana. And that didn't happen for me until honestly, 333 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: like college, Like I talk about this all the time, 334 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: Like it did not become a source of pride for 335 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: me until I was like in my early twenties. Like 336 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: literally in college. You took me leaving Texas, which you 337 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: would think would be the source of like all Mexican 338 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: pride because it's basically North Mexico, but it wasn't. It 339 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: took me leaving to go to the East Coast to 340 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: like really find that cultural awareness and pridefulness in your Latina. 341 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: My inner Latina came out when I went to DC. Anyway, 342 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: enough about me. With this string of albums, Balia continued 343 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: to work with Emilio Estefan and finally broke into the 344 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: Billboard two hundred in the United States while topping the 345 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: Billboard Latin charts, racking up platinum certifications and raking in 346 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: awards and accolades and cash. 347 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: Simply put, she was royalty, but remember, fanking put a 348 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: target on your back and on the backs of people 349 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 2: close to you. 350 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: In two thousand and two, while Talia was on tour 351 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: supporting her self titled album, her sister and maid of honor, 352 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: Laudas Abata, was performing in a play in Mexico and on. 353 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 2: A crisp September night, Dalia's other sister, Ernestina, got dulled 354 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: up and went to see her sister on stage. Hours later, 355 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 2: the casts took their final bow and got their flowers. 356 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: Ernestina congratulated Lauda and the two sisters left the theater together, 357 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: but they didn't make it home. They were ambushed by 358 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: armed men, forced into a van, and driven to a 359 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: safe house. 360 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: When Dalia heard about this from her nephew, she thought 361 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: it was a prank, but then a photo was released 362 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: showing Talia's sister blindfolded and held at gunpoint. The kidnappers 363 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 2: demanded millions from her husband, Tommy Motola's fortune. 364 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: Since this was an international incident, the US government froz 365 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: both Tommy and Talia's bank accounts, leaving them unable to 366 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: pay the ransom, making matters worse, rumors and misinformation put 367 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: a world of pressure on the negotiations. 368 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: Gossip began to spread that Taliah was going to roll 369 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 2: into Mexico with an American special ops team to free her. 370 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: Sister, which is totally a movie I would watch, but 371 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: I digress. But in reality, Dalia was learning about the 372 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: kidnappers demandster the TV right along with us. 373 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: Still, once the kidnappers learned that the famous couple's accounts 374 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: were frozen, they released Laura Sabatta as a bargaining chip 375 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: and made new demands five million pissels. 376 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 3: A deal was strung. 377 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: Dalia paid the ransom and Ednestina was released after her sister. 378 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 3: All together. 379 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: Lauda was held for eighteen days and Ernestina for thirty six. 380 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 2: But things can get easier from there. This incident was 381 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 2: great for the tabloids, and they kept trying to keep 382 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: the gravy train rolling by accusing Lauda of masterminding the 383 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: entire kidnapping. 384 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: Talia and m Nestina decided not to engage with the speculation, 385 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: and Dalia stuck to the strategy of non engagement for years. 386 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 4: But Lauda Sabatta took this as a betrayal. In two 387 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 4: thousand and five, Lauda began developing a stage play based 388 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 4: on her experience being kidnapped. However, she said, without naming names, 389 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 4: that someone in the family you threatened legal action. The 390 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 4: play never went up. 391 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: Then, in two thousand and six, Ernestina publishes a book 392 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: about her experience being kidnapped and states that Lauda had 393 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: known the kidnappers beforehand, all but corroborating what the tabloids 394 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: had been saying. 395 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 2: On the one hand, this is cold pressed, vacuum filed 396 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: tell novela grade a juice. 397 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: On the other hand, Lauda was the sister who inspired 398 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: Dalia to get on the stage in the first place. 399 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 3: Of this ordeal, Lauda would eventually tell the press. 400 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: At the time, it hurt a lot, It was very painful, 401 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: But now that I look back on it, I was 402 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: a victim of the kidnappers. 403 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 3: And a victim of Thalia. 404 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 2: Thinking about how the press treated Dalia at the start 405 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 2: of her solo career, you can maybe see why she 406 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: didn't want to get into it with them. 407 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: Still, this family rift continues today, and if there's anything 408 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: we've learned in our becoming an icon journey, when it 409 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: comes to trauma, it bonds people, but it can also 410 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: tear them apart. And by the way, I'm also going 411 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: to hold the media accountable here because that's kind of where. 412 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 3: It all started, right. 413 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: It started with the speculation over her having a role 414 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: in the kidnapping, and then it went on from there, 415 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: whether she did or didn't. When press gets involved and 416 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: they have an ulterior motive, it could become a pressure cooker. 417 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: True, and the kidnapping isn't the only example. Remember Talia's 418 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 2: formative beef with Paulina Rubio that never went. 419 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: Away, right you are bou Dalia ruled the nineties, but 420 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: her bandmate from Timbriche, Paulina Rubio, also broke into the 421 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: international market in the early two thousands with a series 422 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: of hit singles, including the Anglo market with the song 423 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: border Girl Joseph's favorite. 424 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: I Really Do Love That, Okay. Dalia had gained a 425 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 2: rep as the Latina Madonna in the nineties, but in 426 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 2: the odds, the press was eager to make her and 427 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: Ballina the Latina Christina and Brittany. 428 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: To hear Dalia's take on the feud, she told Reuters, 429 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: it is more what the media has done than what 430 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: is reality. I always try to reinvent myself and give 431 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: the best of me without thinking about any kind of 432 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: rivalry or competition. 433 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 2: But that didn't stop Paulina from making shady comments about 434 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: Talia's clothing line and chocolate brand and her husband, who 435 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 2: she called an old man. 436 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: I mean, where's the lie anyway? Well, nothing would ever 437 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: match that infamous on stage fight at the Pinbotichi show. 438 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: The Press's eagerness to feed that fire and Ballina's tendency 439 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: to do just that led their estrangement to drag on 440 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: for decades. 441 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: In twenty ten, Dalia would tell Ulibision the Paulina I 442 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 2: knew and the Talia that she knew. We're no longer 443 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: the same. If we were to, we would have some 444 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: tequilas at Takisa. We would talk about our things, and 445 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: it would be a lot of fun. 446 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 3: To the public's knowledge. 447 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: This still hasn't happened, but they may have reason to hope. 448 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: We all want the same thing, a dele novella happily 449 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: ever after for our queen. 450 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: But as we've seen, life's just not that simple. 451 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 2: Near the end of the Odds, Dahlia's hot drig was 452 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: cut short when lyme disease kept her from promoting her 453 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 2: two thousand and eight album Lunada. 454 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: I said the singer, I got very sick. I almost 455 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: lost my life. I lost my hair, my muscle mass 456 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: the will to get ahead. She spent two years on antibiotics, 457 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: focusing on healing with the support of her family. 458 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: It was a brush of death that changed Dahlia. After 459 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 2: Lunada sank on the charts, she moved on from Ami 460 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: and joined Sony to release two thousand and nine s 461 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 2: Primera Phila, a stripped live album that cut out all 462 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: the glad. 463 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: Belia recorded the album in a small auditorium in Miami, 464 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: sporting a simple look jeans, a white top, and a vest. 465 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: The sound of the album is as stripped down as 466 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: her look. It's giving MTVM plug, it's giving cowboy junkies, 467 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: but we know our girl. 468 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean she's done with Glenny for good facts. 469 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: In October of that year, Belia is invited to the 470 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: White House for an event celebrating the Latino community. She 471 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: attends along with Eva Longoria, Jlo and Mark and performs 472 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: a more La Mexicana on stage. 473 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: And in the middle of her song she stops off 474 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 2: stage and walks straight to President Obama's table and asks 475 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: him to. 476 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 3: Dance and thanks Michelle for being cool with it. 477 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: The dance last all of ten seconds, and it's not 478 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: all that clear Obama knows how. 479 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 3: To dance salsa. 480 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: But it's exactly the kind of bold, spirit animal behavior 481 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: we've come to love from Thalia ever since she told 482 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: it straight to the president of Televisa back in the eighties. 483 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 2: It was her first Bible moment in the Internet age, 484 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 2: and guess what our girl thrives on? TikTok. 485 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: Then there was the Talia Challenge a few years ago, 486 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: where people imitated a video of her trying on a 487 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: bright pink dress and doing a goofy dance. 488 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: And the time she went to the beach wearing one 489 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 2: of the original costumes of Marie mad and recreated the 490 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 2: opening credit sequence. 491 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: Like who's feeding her these ideas? Are they just like 492 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: thinking comes up with on her own? Oh, and the 493 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: time she poked fun at an old tabloid rumor that 494 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: she'd had one of her ribs removed to make her 495 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: waist smaller. She took a video of herself at a 496 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: taco stand picking up a rib and saying, oh my god, 497 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: I can't wait. She said this, I found it. 498 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 2: She also went full drag king and dressed up as 499 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: Marvel's Doctor Strange for Halloween, with the caption one the 500 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: wait it is most strange characters strange. 501 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 3: That picture will haunt me for the rest of my life. 502 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 2: So amazing. It's the visual to this. It's like Dalia 503 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 2: being so pretty and so glam and she has like 504 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 2: a go tea and short hair. You need to look it. 505 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: Up, but it's like Chris Jenner's hair. It's like Chris 506 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: Jenner with a go tee. Is what it looks like 507 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: in a Marvel costume. It's why you got it. 508 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 2: Thank you. 509 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 3: This is the wild depths of the Internet. 510 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: But that's not to say she just slept through the 511 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: twenty tens and resurfaced on TikTok. The twenty twelve album 512 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: A Beata missiepre returned Talia to dominance on the Latin 513 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: Fillboard charts, selling half a million copies worldwide and leading 514 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: her to embark on her first tour in nine years. 515 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: Essentially a comeback tour. The Viva World Tour was one 516 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: of the most anticipated concert events of the decade. 517 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 2: And then she released a children's album to accompany her 518 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: children's book, Choopy the Binkie That. 519 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: Returned Home, even as a mother of two. Our girl 520 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: really just kind of does what she wants. And across 521 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: seven more albums, including another kid's album and an album 522 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: of covers of her favorite Latin rock song from her 523 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, Heyday, Dalia blessed the next generation of 524 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: Latin pop stars with her presence. 525 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: She's thing with Maluma on the track, with Becky g 526 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: and Chiki thri Vera on by La Si and with 527 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: Unci Laguilar group of Fiedman and most recently our favorite 528 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 2: artists from Sinaloa, Kenya Os. 529 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: Talia is in a way that only the most legendary 530 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: icons managed to achieve. Forever young. And I'm not just 531 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: talking about her looks, but she does definitely have some 532 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: Benjamin buttonshit going on. I'm talking about her confidence, her 533 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: raw talent. It's her ability to be herself authentically without 534 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: a second thought. 535 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: That bitchu blessing in the Tella Visa president's office and 536 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: wasn't afraid to ask for what she wanted. The hardworking 537 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: girl locked up in her bedroom with the shades down 538 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 2: because she needed a mend her heart. The meme queen 539 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 2: cracking jokes on social media. 540 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: We all want to be as unapologetically ourselves as we 541 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: were when we were kids, and Dalia's proof that we 542 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: can be. 543 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: And we also can get into fights when we're young, 544 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 2: but they might not be forever facts. 545 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: Since twenty seventeen, Ballina Rubio has been hinting at a 546 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: reunion tour with Dalia. 547 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: The first hint was a hashtag throwback Thursday Instagram post 548 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 2: of the old band Femettice. 549 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: More recently, she's directed statements straight to Talia. Quote, let's 550 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: plan the tour, as Shakira said, there's a special place 551 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: in hell for women who don't support other women. 552 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 3: Oh I don't know how I feel about that. 553 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: Go on tour with me, or you're a bad feminist. 554 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: Look, at the end of the day, Baulina is still 555 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: fucking Baulina, you know what I mean? Like Thalia is 556 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: still Dahlia, and you never know what might happen with Lauda. 557 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: But I feel like that's kind of what we love 558 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: about this whole story, right, Like, just like a good 559 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: Beele novela we have to keep tuning in to see 560 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: if our faves can find and they're happily ever after, 561 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: no matter how bashit crazy it get. On the next 562 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: Becoming an Icon, we're taking a look at how Fun 563 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: and fessel Pluma are reinventing the corrido for a new generation. 564 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: Becoming an Icon is presented by Sonoo and Iheart's Michael 565 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: Durda podcast Network. 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