WEBVTT - Comedy Saved Me with Bret Ernst-Behind the Laughter

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<v Speaker 1>Comedy Saved Me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my first under five was as a waiter and

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm not kidding you, I left that job to

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<v Speaker 2>go really wait tables. So I would leave, I would

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<v Speaker 2>play a waiter on TV and then go and wait

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<v Speaker 2>tables in real life.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Lyn Hoffman and welcome to the Comedy Saved Me Podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast where we talk with comedians about their craft,

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<v Speaker 1>their inspirations, the power of their comedy, and the way

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<v Speaker 1>it helps all of us through challenging times. If you

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<v Speaker 1>like this podcast, you might want to check out our

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<v Speaker 1>Music Saved Me podcast that I also host, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can get that wherever you get your podcasts. Today, we're

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<v Speaker 1>so excited to welcome comedian Brett Ernst, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>great talents of our generation. And I mean that Brett

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<v Speaker 1>shares his journey from the football fields to the comedy

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<v Speaker 1>stages and I'm so psyched to have him here today. Brett,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Comedy Save Me.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great to have you now. I want to start

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<v Speaker 1>off because interestingly enough, there's so much in your background

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<v Speaker 1>and family that I want to get into. But you

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<v Speaker 1>were really into football, and I'm curious how did your

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<v Speaker 1>background in football influence that transition into comedy. And what

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<v Speaker 1>was your first experience like performing stand up? Do you remember?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I remember the first time I got up.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, football actually saved my life, man, because

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<v Speaker 2>when I was a kid, you know, I was all

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<v Speaker 2>over the place, and I mean I still got in trouble,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wanted to play ball and that that kept

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<v Speaker 2>me kind of focused.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that that was the one thing that I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want to lose.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as taking that comedy experience into football experience

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<v Speaker 2>into comedy, and yeah, it helped a lot because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you come from an athletic background, you're okay with

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<v Speaker 2>getting your ass kicked, You're okay with losing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't like it, but you've you've dealt with it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the best way I could say it. And the

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<v Speaker 2>most important thing is you know how to be a man.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how to compete with your friends. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in comedy, a lot of people in entertainment feel that

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<v Speaker 2>they are competing with other people, which you're not, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's you.

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<v Speaker 3>You're bringing whatever you bring to the table.

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<v Speaker 2>I always compare comedy more to golf, where you're just

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<v Speaker 2>competing against yourself, you know, trying to outdo your last game.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know when when in sports you're friends with

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<v Speaker 2>guys that are starting with you, starting in front of

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<v Speaker 2>you or behind you, or guys across the line from

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<v Speaker 2>you that are trying to kick your ass every practice,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know what I'm saying, and you just you

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<v Speaker 2>build that camaraderie, and uh, I don't know, it really

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<v Speaker 2>helped me into the entertainment business when I went into that.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you end up on stage at a comedy

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<v Speaker 1>show open mic?

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<v Speaker 2>I just it's an odd story and it's kind of long,

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<v Speaker 2>so I won't bore you with it. But the first

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<v Speaker 2>time I met a guy that said he was a comic,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, well, how do you go

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<v Speaker 2>about it? And he said, you have to sign up

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<v Speaker 2>for an open mic? And I always thought about it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I was always told I should get

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<v Speaker 2>into it by my friends. And then I came home

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<v Speaker 2>and my mother said, hey, you got a letter from

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<v Speaker 2>the Bronx, and I was like, and I opened the

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<v Speaker 2>letter and it was an ex teammate of mine, this kid,

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<v Speaker 2>jose Cosme I used to cut my hair and he's like, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>I was walking by. I was in Times Square and

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<v Speaker 2>it had an open mic and you should do comedy

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<v Speaker 2>and that kind of I looked at that as a sign,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I went down there and signed up for

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<v Speaker 2>the open mic and I went on.

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<v Speaker 3>I did really well. I didn't bomb until like six

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<v Speaker 3>months in.

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<v Speaker 1>And how was that first night for you?

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<v Speaker 3>I just was laughing. My buddy filmed it.

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<v Speaker 2>You did it all?

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<v Speaker 3>How did you ex Oj Simpson joke? That's how far

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<v Speaker 3>back it was.

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<v Speaker 2>But all you see is I'm like, yo, I go

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<v Speaker 2>to my friend, just cut the camera off and you

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<v Speaker 2>just see him do this and then the thumb go up, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like he's not cutting at all.

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<v Speaker 3>It was great, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't deter you. Obviously you continued on, And.

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<v Speaker 2>No, didn't determine me. I wanted to get right back up.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't like the loss, didn't I didn't like the

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<v Speaker 2>l that I took.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's pretty. You've got thick skin. You must

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten it somewhere. Obviously sports had a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>do with that. But you've also had a pretty remarkable career.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Vince Vaughn's Wild West comedy show, Cobra Kai.

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<v Speaker 1>What have been some of your favorite projects since those

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<v Speaker 1>early days.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, those are the two biggest and my two favorites

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<v Speaker 2>for different reasons. Yeah, I enjoyed working. I worked on

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<v Speaker 2>Young and the Restless when I first got to LA

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<v Speaker 2>for like two years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard work doing those shows.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh soap, operasier, you know, but a lot. It's steady.

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<v Speaker 3>It's steady work.

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<v Speaker 2>And the first under five, which you know, under five

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<v Speaker 2>lines that I got was as a waiter in a

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<v Speaker 2>they I was like, I think I was twenty nine

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, but I was in the high school scenes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know where there was like a coffee shop where

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<v Speaker 2>all the high school kids hung out and I always

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<v Speaker 2>worked there. But I was more like a glorified extra.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>But my first under five was as a waiter.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I'm not kidding you, I left that job

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<v Speaker 2>to go really wait tables. So I would leave. I

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<v Speaker 2>would play a waiter on TV and then go and

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<v Speaker 2>wait tables.

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<v Speaker 1>In real life, did people recognize you and say.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, No, not from Young and Rests, they

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<v Speaker 3>would have.

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<v Speaker 2>They recognized me from the comedy Store when I would

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<v Speaker 2>perform there, because like sometimes I used to work at

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<v Speaker 2>the cheesecake Factory in Marina del Rey, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty pretty popular a lot, like you know, it had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of a lot of traffic, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people ate there.

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<v Speaker 3>It was near the airport on the water, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>was a bunch of times, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember one time I heard I'm walking towards the

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<v Speaker 2>table and they came in because there was a show

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<v Speaker 2>called Dublin's. It was every Tuesday in La on the

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<v Speaker 2>Sunset Strip. It was one of the biggest shows that

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<v Speaker 2>ran for like four years, and everybody would go go

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<v Speaker 2>to this stand up show. And I had a really

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<v Speaker 2>good set the night before. So that was a Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a Wednesday lunch. I'm working and I heard

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<v Speaker 2>these people coming in talking about the show and then

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<v Speaker 2>specifically talking about my bit, and then when they sat down,

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<v Speaker 2>I had him. And then it was kind of like, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>then you go up to the table and they were like,

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<v Speaker 2>we just saw you that awesome dressed in the cheesecake white.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you're like yeah, yeah, and then you're like, so,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we have a passion fruit ice teve. You guys, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Got to be like at that moment, maybe he's soul crushing.

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<v Speaker 1>But but to them, they're thinking, is he stalking us?

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<v Speaker 1>Or you know the part of the act.

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<v Speaker 2>I was delivering pizzas man, and uh I was on

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<v Speaker 2>and I was doing a set on on a late

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<v Speaker 2>show and uh I couldn't get off of work because

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<v Speaker 2>the Lakers were winning everything then, and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>watch it, and my my little brother was going to

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<v Speaker 2>record it and TVO had just came out, so my

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<v Speaker 2>girl at the time was going to record it. But

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to watch it live at the Pizzeriha, But

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't because we were slammed.

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<v Speaker 3>So I had this ninety seven Ford escort that couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>make lefts Man. It would stall out.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm rushing to try and get back in time,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm delivering the pizzas and I'm like, I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>not going to make it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, God, I wanted to see it live, you know. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean we tape it in the day and they

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<v Speaker 3>air it at night. And I'm not kidding you. As

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<v Speaker 3>soon as I as the.

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<v Speaker 2>Kid opened the door that I was delivering to, I

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<v Speaker 2>was walking out on TV and I was standing there

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<v Speaker 2>with the pizzas and then but the look on his

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<v Speaker 2>face was like Wow, this is cool and how depressing,

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<v Speaker 2>like at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. But it just shows that you really

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<v Speaker 1>do have to work your ass off to get to

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<v Speaker 1>where you want to go. I mean, you can't just

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<v Speaker 1>expect it's going to come to you, like, Oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>one thing, everyone's gonna knock on my door.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Stand up is the biggest of that. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't really slip through the cracks.

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<v Speaker 3>You could.

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<v Speaker 2>You could maybe go viral on something and then get

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<v Speaker 2>people to buy tickets to your show once. But to

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<v Speaker 2>be good at the art of stand up, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to put that time in.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so true.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no cutting corners because you can't fake it.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't fake it once you get out in front

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, the biggest crowds. I've done fifteen thousand

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<v Speaker 2>on bert On Chrisier's thing at the t Mobile, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've been in front of two people at the o

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<v Speaker 2>R at like one in the morning on a Tuesday

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<v Speaker 2>at the comedy store.

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<v Speaker 3>You're you, whatever your situation is, you just you as you.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't fake that. You just can't fake it. They'll

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<v Speaker 2>know even if you try to do other people's jokes.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll know.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's true. And your comedy is known for being

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<v Speaker 1>very honest and truthful, and dare I say, edgy, How

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<v Speaker 1>how do you balance being relatable with being original in

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<v Speaker 1>your material because that changes probably yearly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, everybody's original if you're talking about yourself and your

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<v Speaker 2>own journey, you know, and then if that journey might

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<v Speaker 2>have similarities. But you know, that's what people kind of

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<v Speaker 2>relate to. Truth is as far as like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you just you just try and be as honest as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>You can never be fully honest. And I don't mean

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<v Speaker 2>with myself.

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<v Speaker 3>I meant with some of the stories I tell because

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<v Speaker 3>there's other people involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Right and oh yeah, family, anonymity and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't want to go full on. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know there's everything's based in truth?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there? Is there when you say it's based in truth?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it first? Is it important? Do you think it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to be able to laugh at yourself even if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not a comedian?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's the ultimate not I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if not caring? You know, we can't curse, can we?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure? Yeah? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>The art there's a book called the Art of not

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<v Speaker 2>giving a fuck, which I never read.

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<v Speaker 3>I just loved the title.

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<v Speaker 2>And you really can't care, man, you don't, because here's why.

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<v Speaker 3>The and I you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I'm just referring it to just people you meet

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<v Speaker 2>every day or the audience.

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<v Speaker 3>They're full of shit, You're I'm not right.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know when when somebody is like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>really you don't have fucked up thoughts?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>The Japanese say that every everybody has three faces. You know, again,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the I'm the worst at paraphrasing or requoting.

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<v Speaker 3>I just get the gist of it. So it may

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<v Speaker 3>not even have been the Japanese. They couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>That's okay for this podcast right now. It was We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to give them the credit. What the hell?

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<v Speaker 2>No, the Japanese say that everybody has three faces, right.

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<v Speaker 2>They have the one that they show society, the one

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<v Speaker 2>that the one's closest to them see. And then there's

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<v Speaker 2>the one that they know, the one that they look

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<v Speaker 2>in the mirror, that weird one when you do weird

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<v Speaker 2>shit when nobody's around, and all those messed up thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>you have. That's the face the comic is trying to

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<v Speaker 2>show the general public. Now, the problem with the general public,

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<v Speaker 2>their perception of how they want to be perceived. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why everyone's a everyone's a hypocrite. If they're not honest

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<v Speaker 2>with themselves. There may be one thing that bothers them,

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<v Speaker 2>but then there's something they do that could bother someone

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<v Speaker 2>else that they don't want anybody to know.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes sense, makes total sense.

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<v Speaker 2>So the point is you really can't give a fuck

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<v Speaker 2>because you don't want I don't want everyone to like me.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want everybody. You want, you want the right

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<v Speaker 2>ones to like you. And then and Mitzi Sure used

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<v Speaker 2>to teach us that at the comedy store. You know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that you build your own your audience will find you

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<v Speaker 2>just be honest with yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Being honest, I think and authentic is the most important thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I started in radio and I worked with all guys,

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<v Speaker 1>so I grew very thick skin. I was like the

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<v Speaker 1>sister they all picked on, but I but I was

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<v Speaker 1>taught that same thing. You know, half the people aren't

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<v Speaker 1>going to like what you have to say, and the

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<v Speaker 1>other half are going to love what you have to say,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't let that stop you from what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's just the way it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>The the thing too, is you know back then somebody

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<v Speaker 2>wrote one letter and the place freaked out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we could hide things more then, like get us

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<v Speaker 1>the tape all the tape machine broke.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, now you know it's all for you to see, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So you put something out and you just can't care.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. It's another favorite quote of mine, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>something I'll find, like I'll develop something through the process

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<v Speaker 2>and then read something that aligns with stuff that I

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<v Speaker 2>always thought.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of them, it's none of my business what

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<v Speaker 3>you think of me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's huge.

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<v Speaker 2>It's none of my business. If I'm performing, I'm I create.

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<v Speaker 2>Like let's just say I create a joke or I

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<v Speaker 2>put out a special once I put that out there

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. Okay, that was my gift to you.

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<v Speaker 2>My gift to you is my dysfunction. Now you do

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<v Speaker 2>what you want with that, and it's none of my business.

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<v Speaker 2>I can buy you a shirt, it's none of my

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<v Speaker 2>business if you don't wear it, if you hate.

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<v Speaker 3>It, if you love it. Either way, it's yours. Now

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<v Speaker 3>my integrity.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like being questioned when I'll put a joke

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<v Speaker 2>out and then somebody's like, oh, he stole that from

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<v Speaker 2>so and so, and it's like, no, dude, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>in this game to almost twenty it'll be twenty eight years.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my original material that I put on TV in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and two, you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 2>that type of stuff that'll irk me. And when I respond,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll respond in a general which I've been accused of

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<v Speaker 2>stealing from myself that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Would like, yeah, how is that possible.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, I thought I saw a guy do this,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like it was me.

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<v Speaker 2>It was me, But that that's the only time that

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<v Speaker 2>I'll clear something up. But if somebody goes this guy

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<v Speaker 2>sucks that, that makes me laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, yeah, that's interesting. When I worked the

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<v Speaker 1>first job in television, it was right in the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>when Internet was I'm aging us, aren't I?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And it was like I got out unscathed because the

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that the most nasty thing that anyone ever

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<v Speaker 1>said to me, and I was in I was like

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine thirty yearsyears old and the ques and the

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<v Speaker 1>comment was Linn Hoffmann looks like a she's holding on

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<v Speaker 1>to her youth like a fat kid to an ice

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<v Speaker 1>cream cone. And that made my mom so mad. I

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<v Speaker 1>laughed so hard. I thought that was hilarious compliment that

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<v Speaker 1>I thought so But it can't let that bother you.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's good advice. The quotes that you gave, whether

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<v Speaker 1>you gave the right person who quoted it doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>matter as long as the sentiment's taken. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>can really help people. And speaking of which.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not into this empowerment shit either, man, Like, you

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<v Speaker 2>know how people need to be If you need to

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<v Speaker 2>be empowered, I don't think you're meant to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you need to be told you're awesome

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<v Speaker 2>and encouraged, you're not going to make it. You need

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<v Speaker 2>to just understand that, you know. I mean, how do

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<v Speaker 2>I say that? How do I say?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? Why do you do it? Why do you do comedy?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I couldn't tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it may have anything to do with

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<v Speaker 1>something that's therapeutic that happens between you and maybe like

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<v Speaker 1>the audience.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I really don't and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, you know, there were so many things

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<v Speaker 2>in my life that didn't make sense but then made

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<v Speaker 2>sense when I stepped on stage.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like like I went to like.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifteen different schools and then you know, being the new kid,

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost it's weird though, It's like I didn't mind

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<v Speaker 2>the awkward and nervousness. I knew what would happen. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to show up, They'll put me in front of

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<v Speaker 2>the class. Some of these weren't the nicest of schools.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I'm going to end up throwing hands either

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<v Speaker 2>at recess or you know. And you know, then and

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<v Speaker 2>then after about two weeks of fighting every other kid,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll end up making friends. Yeah, through through sports. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's how guys bond, you know, teams. Yeah, well, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're good at sports as a kid, then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're good, you're good with your hands.

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<v Speaker 3>And because guys like to.

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<v Speaker 2>We we're like, let's say you have a friend that's

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<v Speaker 2>really fast, right, or that can fight.

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<v Speaker 3>We we build them up, right, Like like.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm hanging out with a guy that and this kid,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yo, I bet you can't beat my friend.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean, Like we like we like

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<v Speaker 3>to associate ourselves with that or women. You guys are

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<v Speaker 3>a little opposite you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, But you're talking about lifting people up, because

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<v Speaker 1>when you get in a team and everybody works together,

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<v Speaker 1>that everybody sort of lifts everybody up.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you, you live, you only there's a great You

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<v Speaker 2>pat yourself on the back when you fail, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you kick yourself in the ass when you succeed. But

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<v Speaker 2>what I meant more is if you have to be

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<v Speaker 2>constantly told that you're you know, you're awesome, you can

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<v Speaker 2>do it, that's just no, you're not.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not meant to you. Just go do it. Go fail,

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<v Speaker 3>be okay with failing. Move, move the fuck on. You

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Talk that that to me in my head, that's how

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<v Speaker 2>I talk to myself. Just go get it done. Because

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<v Speaker 2>most of the people that are trying to encourage you

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as you leave, they're not being honest with you.

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<v Speaker 3>But you you're the only one that can really you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you're you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know how honest with yourself are But I'm saying, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what you can do.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody knows what you could do.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you keep asking other people can I can,

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<v Speaker 2>I know then you're not.

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<v Speaker 3>Meant to do it. Just go get it done.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, how do you how do you feel about

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<v Speaker 1>the role of comedy, UH with respect to healing others.

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<v Speaker 3>I think perspective. A perspective is what's healing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know that there's UH studies done on laughter,

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<v Speaker 2>how it releases endorphins or whatever. But perspective is really

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<v Speaker 2>what I think comedy gives because it goes it goes

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<v Speaker 2>in line with the oh my god, what's woe is me? I?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't. I'm insecure. This is this, so's everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all insecure. And one thing I always tell my

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<v Speaker 2>audience at the end when I talk to them, I

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<v Speaker 2>always say, everybody in this room is hurting.

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<v Speaker 3>We're all hurting.

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<v Speaker 2>We all love the same, we hurt the same, nobody's

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<v Speaker 2>different from the other. And you're all dead in a

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<v Speaker 2>hundred years. And this goes in line is why I

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<v Speaker 2>suck at dinner parties. But do you sit in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the table?

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<v Speaker 3>I just you know, comics.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get together, it's it's very interesting and fun conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when you're out with regular people that they

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<v Speaker 2>it's not as fun and they think that we're all like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, soul the other day, it's far from that.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all mentally ill and depressed, but at the same time, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm optimistic guy. I just I'm just an honest person.

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<v Speaker 2>And people hate honesty. They hate it, they hate it

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<v Speaker 2>with themselves, right, like getting older? Who cares?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think you're going to be twenty two forever?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying? Or just worrying all the time?

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<v Speaker 2>To me, it's just do you think you're the only

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<v Speaker 2>person in the in the timeline of human existence?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, do you understand how selfish and narcissistic that is?

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<v Speaker 2>And then to think that you're always going to look

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<v Speaker 2>the same and that everything's always going to work out

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<v Speaker 2>for you, You're fucking delusional. You're a delusional person that don't

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<v Speaker 2>accept the way the world works. And that's not on me,

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<v Speaker 2>that's on the that's on you. So you know, comics

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<v Speaker 2>will give you that perspective that this is great, own it.

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<v Speaker 2>Who cares?

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<v Speaker 3>Laugh? Move on? You're dead soon or shut up?

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<v Speaker 1>Ye have you ever experienced or witness moments where comedy

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<v Speaker 1>helps someone cope with difficult emotion or situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you'll get emails from people, but it's only people

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<v Speaker 2>that have experienced it in a way that get it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know, every once in a while it's

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say this, ninety five percent of the time, if

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<v Speaker 2>someone experienced it and they know you're being honest about it,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll hit you up and laugh. Ninety five percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the people that don't like it think it should be offensive,

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<v Speaker 2>like I can't believe you say something like that, You're

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<v Speaker 2>not considerate. And then you'll get like a five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of people that I went through it to said, look, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think that was funny. But for most I

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<v Speaker 2>would say, again, I'm just throwing out a number. If

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing a joke that you could tell is I've experienced,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's my rule of thumb. I only make fun

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<v Speaker 2>of my own tragedies, you know what I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not making fun of someone else's because that's where the

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<v Speaker 2>authenticity comes in.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I'm not a set up punch guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I try to be honest and taking my experiences and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, making light in them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty amazing. I would say comedies right up there

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<v Speaker 1>with being a therapist. Almost a lot more fun, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>guessing than well.

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<v Speaker 3>No, there's two to that too.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, I don't know I've if you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're taking something that affected you and making light

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<v Speaker 2>of it, it's very therapeutic.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only thing I know, So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how it would be any other way.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's so helpful when you go into a show

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<v Speaker 1>and you hear somebody I was watching one of your

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<v Speaker 1>specials recently where you got into your dad, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's anyone in the audience thinking to themselves, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my goodness, he went through that growing up with his dad,

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<v Speaker 1>and how can I complain about my life for my problems,

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<v Speaker 1>you know? And then you're up there making fun and

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<v Speaker 1>finding comedy in that. That's pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then everything's relative, right, So like, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>people that are worse off than me, there are people

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<v Speaker 2>that are better off than me. But the when you

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<v Speaker 2>learn the technique to deal with everything whatever comes your way. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 2>as an artist, if you need constant validation, you're you're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to succeed because most a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>just won't be honest with you, and you're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they say, the only person you can trust is yourself

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<v Speaker 2>in the process, and the only person you can blame

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<v Speaker 2>is yourself, right, like when you assess, because we know

0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:57.240
<v Speaker 2>we know ourselves better than anybody. It's that third phase

0:24:57.560 --> 0:24:59.919
<v Speaker 2>that we know right, but we also know where are

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<v Speaker 2>failures are and what we need to work harder on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I think as an artist self assessment because

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<v Speaker 2>it's especially stand ups, always a work in progress. And

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you'll run a joke or a premise by somebody

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<v Speaker 2>and then they'll be like, eugh, that that sounds awful,

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<v Speaker 2>But then when you execute it, then they're like, oh, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it because you know where you want to go.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I always take criticism and compliments the

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<v Speaker 2>same way.

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<v Speaker 1>If that makes sense, Yeah, totally. Did you have a well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you can take criticism, you're way ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of the game in this industry.

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<v Speaker 2>Account criticism, uh, critical thinking, honesty, those things are the

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<v Speaker 2>only things that you can really go and sometimes you know, look,

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<v Speaker 2>because people mistake bad habits for who they are, if

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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense. You know, like I'm the king of procrastinator.

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<v Speaker 1>Who isn't It's awful?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I still have to get my taxes going and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I keep filing extensions which cost me more

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<v Speaker 2>money because it's like, oh I don't want to have

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<v Speaker 2>to go you know, that type of stuff bothers me

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<v Speaker 2>and then but you know you have to buckle down

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<v Speaker 2>and get it done.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, you know your strengths and weaknesses.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's the curse of being creative. I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, it's I mean, you get two types and

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<v Speaker 2>stand up. You have the ocds and the adhds. You

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<v Speaker 2>have the people that have anxiety versus the people that

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<v Speaker 2>have depression.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's just.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm laughing, and I know I shouldn't be laughing, but

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<v Speaker 1>I totally understand what you're talking about. Did you have

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<v Speaker 1>a mentor or a mentor?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it was the Comedy Store in general, just

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<v Speaker 2>being there at that time period when I was there,

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<v Speaker 2>being around comics that you know, I grew up watching,

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<v Speaker 2>and then guys that were ahead of me, guys below me.

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<v Speaker 2>So you you actually learned by osmosis and that o

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<v Speaker 2>R the Original room because the Comedy Store, I have

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<v Speaker 2>to explain it has three rooms as the main room,

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<v Speaker 2>the original room, in the belly room, and the original

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<v Speaker 2>rooms my favorite room in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Main room pays more. But the o R you've we

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<v Speaker 3>learned all the.

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<v Speaker 2>Comics that I came up with, like you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>of my best friends. We you learn different things by

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 2>being forced into it, like how to reset a room,

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:34.160
<v Speaker 2>how to follow uh like I you know, you follow

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<v Speaker 2>everybody from Chris Rock to Chappelle to Rogan, to BurrH

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 2>to Dice. You know you you you, and there's no

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<v Speaker 2>MC so they bring you up. So then you got

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 2>to learn, just through repetition and failure how to get

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<v Speaker 2>the room after they just saw somebody that there were

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 2>fans versus somebody they had no idea who they are,

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:58.679
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? And totally that type of

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:01.480
<v Speaker 2>stuff you you learn the comedy. So the Comedy Store

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<v Speaker 2>itself was probably my biggest mentor that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think your failures are, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>some of your biggest successes. You just don't know it

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:13.479
<v Speaker 1>at the time, right, and you know if you can

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<v Speaker 1>make it through.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's funny is, like you when you were in it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when you're past it, you're always going back

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<v Speaker 2>to that time period because that's the most fun, even

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<v Speaker 2>though it was the most difficult.

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<v Speaker 4>You will be right back with more of the Comedy

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<v Speaker 4>Saved Me podcast. Welcome back to the Comedy Saved Me podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so it is. It's very hard if you want

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 1>to pursue a career in general, in front of the

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>camera or on the stage, to have that sense of Okay,

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 1>I can do this. It's horrifying if you don't have

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 1>some type of maybe somebody came into your life at

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<v Speaker 1>one point said, hey, well you just did was funny

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<v Speaker 1>and that's all you needed to hear one time to

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<v Speaker 1>know that you were on the right track.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it goes back to that validation thing, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can't tell you how many times I've been

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 2>in conversations with other comics, like at the comedy store,

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 2>we hang out in the hallway where till we go

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<v Speaker 2>up and nobody even saw the guys set, And then

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 2>somebody will get off stage will be like, yo, great set.

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 3>They didn't even watch it. Oh man, you know what

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when you learn that nobody really gets you know,

0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>people somehow create this narrative in their head that everybody's

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:42.520
<v Speaker 2>talking about them, everybody cares about nobody cares, nobody's that

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 2>invested in you.

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 3>That's why the self reliance thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Is really important, and for younger artists to know that

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<v Speaker 2>whatever art form they're in, it's all puberty, it's all this.

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<v Speaker 3>We all go through the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're not unique and you're failing, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>not unique in your successes.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything will come and go. It's the ebbs and flow

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<v Speaker 3>of it. When you're in it long enough, you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be up.

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<v Speaker 2>Your highs, your your low's way way more than your highs.

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<v Speaker 2>But it'll eventually go away, then come back, go away.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why if you just focus on what you love

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<v Speaker 2>to do and just keep doing it, if you can

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<v Speaker 2>still make a career at it, then you know you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're lucky.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are wise words. That was my next question is

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<v Speaker 1>what do you what do you tell young up and

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<v Speaker 1>coming artists? And that pretty much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's all part for the course and what makes

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<v Speaker 2>stand up such a unique art form. I mean there's

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 2>a few exceptions. Is we've been at every level. When

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 2>you're a headliner and there's a kid m seeing or

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 2>a person guest setting or middling and there, we've all

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 2>been there. We none of us have skipped any steps.

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 2>We've all done open mics, we've all done the lotteries,

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 2>we've all done the.

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<v Speaker 3>Bringer shows, everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So when when we're at at where we're at, and

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<v Speaker 2>the person that's new is where they're at.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you going to complain? You can't complain.

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<v Speaker 2>We've we've all done it, we've all we've all been there.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm one of those those types too, where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>more into like breaking just because something bad might have

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<v Speaker 2>happened to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to project that on someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, I mean you feel you want to, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's hard personally.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I honestly don't, because you look at it two ways.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, you know, I remember watching people even a

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<v Speaker 2>store one time, and I noticed that when people didn't

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 2>hold the door for the next person, the one person

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 2>that started holding the door, and then the next person

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<v Speaker 2>would hold the door.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's kind of what you want to do.

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 2>You want to break cycles in that type of sense,

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 2>because some of it's unnecessary, Like I've I've met comics

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<v Speaker 2>without mentioning names that were like, hey, I went through it, so.

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 3>Now I'm going to do to someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Whereas like I don't see the purpose in that

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<v Speaker 2>because some of those some of it is just isn't

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<v Speaker 2>isn't cool?

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<v Speaker 1>You mean, like hazing the new comic.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Bump like, there's been times where, like you know,

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 2>especially like in Hollywood and New York, where you have

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 2>industry come down to see you for like a showcase

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>type set, so you set it up at the club.

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<v Speaker 2>Then all of a sudden, a major celebrity comes in,

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<v Speaker 2>and we use a term called bumping right where you

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<v Speaker 2>get bumped. So let's say I have a ten fifteen spot,

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<v Speaker 2>and I brought some executives down that wanted to see

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<v Speaker 2>my set that might be considering me for either late

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 2>night appearance, which doesn't really happen that much anymore, or

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 2>people that are developing shows, or even people that might

0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 2>be like, hey, we might want you to be on

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 2>our show, like as an actor, and they're there and

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 2>it's called the showcase set, right, and then that person

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 2>famous person comes in and says, I want to go

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<v Speaker 2>up now, and now they're going to do however long

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:13.320
<v Speaker 2>they're going to do, and the comic that had set

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 2>it up, you may not even get up till midnight,

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:19.040
<v Speaker 2>and then that's bad. The industry sometimes doesn't want to

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>be there that long, So I don't bump anyone.

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<v Speaker 3>Even if I can, I won't.

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<v Speaker 2>Do it, especially if they're I'll like if I show

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 2>up at a show and they're like, hey, can you

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<v Speaker 2>come down?

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<v Speaker 3>I'll wait till the end. You know, that type of

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<v Speaker 3>stuff I don't like.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like to do because I've been there and

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't like how that how that worked out?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you're also a groundbreaker. Besides being a nice guy,

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<v Speaker 1>You're Principal's office special was groundbreaking, I say because it

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<v Speaker 1>was the first self distributed am I saying that correctly

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 1>online special on YouTube?

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<v Speaker 2>There were guys that like went viral with their specials,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was the first to do a YouTube special.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah for free fully produced?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And what what would inspire the approach? And how did

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 1>do you feel it impacted your career?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>And but you know, because you're the first doesn't mean

0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:20.399
<v Speaker 2>you did it right. Like you know, take because again,

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 2>our community is pretty supportive.

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 3>It's supportive in a way where like guys were.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when when I told like Bill, Bill Burr and

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<v Speaker 2>ur Is Shafir what I was thinking of doing, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they're like, yeah, yeah, you should do that, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. And then when I did it,

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 2>I had other guys say how did that work out

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 2>for you? Other comics And then I'd be like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>it worked out great this way, but I I messed

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<v Speaker 2>up this way, and then if I were to do

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<v Speaker 2>it again, this is what I would do different. So

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:52.960
<v Speaker 2>when they did it for the first time, I was

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<v Speaker 2>given telling them what I did.

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<v Speaker 3>Wrong for them to you know, not do wrong. Does

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<v Speaker 3>that make sense?

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<v Speaker 1>And then yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But it became a thing because I had put about

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand on my own money, and you know, I

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 2>had some friends lent me some money too to invest

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<v Speaker 2>in it, and in the process of shooting Principal's Office,

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<v Speaker 2>I was hoping Netflix would well. Prior to that, I

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 2>did a Comedy Central present, so everybody wanted to get

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:23.240
<v Speaker 2>their hour on Comedy Central.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me take it back a little, and I had

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<v Speaker 3>a top five.

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<v Speaker 2>Comedy Central would do this thing where they would air

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<v Speaker 2>all the half hours and hours that they produced for

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:35.920
<v Speaker 2>the year, and people would vote on it. Right, they

0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 2>would call in. This is like two thousand and ten,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eleven, and they would call in and say, this

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<v Speaker 2>was our favorite. So there was like a hundred specials

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:48.239
<v Speaker 2>that year and I was in the top five, but

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:51.239
<v Speaker 2>it was only my half hour, so I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>get the hour, and every year after that, I was

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:56.799
<v Speaker 2>on the one yard line, but I would lose it

0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 2>to check because they would check is like we need

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 2>we have enough white dudes. We're gonna do more females,

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 2>or we're gonna do this, and they started just checking

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 2>boxes and I was getting frustrated with it, so I

0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 2>was like, screw it, I'll shoot one myself and have

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Netflix was licensing at the time, but in the process

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 2>of shooting it and editing it, Netflix changed the policy

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:23.640
<v Speaker 2>and said we're not going to license anymore.

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 3>We're going to own it.

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 2>So now I was stuck with this twenty thousand dollars

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 2>special because you get for me. I got to the

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:33.320
<v Speaker 2>point to where like, I don't need permission to exist,

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:38.279
<v Speaker 2>Right If I'm putting this work in and these people

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.759
<v Speaker 2>are like, no, he doesn't fit this criteria or that criteria,

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 2>then I'm like, well then I'm just gonna do it myself.

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 1>And I love that.

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 2>And it just the way it worked out was, you know,

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 2>I thought outside the box. I built out a website

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.400
<v Speaker 2>that you could watch it, and then I ebbed in

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 2>a YouTube player, so whatever views I got, you can

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:05.800
<v Speaker 2>monetize it on YouTube. Then I set it up where

0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 2>if you wanted to buy it for five dollars, you could.

0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 2>If you wanted to get a T shirt for twenty

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 2>you get the special with it, or just give me

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 2>your email. You didn't have to do anything, and I

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 2>would tell them that I'd say, you just enjoy it,

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.759
<v Speaker 2>but if you wanted to stay in touch.

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:22.720
<v Speaker 3>I'll take your email.

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Because it was one of those things where I was

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 2>in the nightclub business, where like if I if I

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:29.840
<v Speaker 2>don't get.

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:31.080
<v Speaker 3>You at the door, I'm going to get you at

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:31.399
<v Speaker 3>the bar.

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:33.359
<v Speaker 2>So you wanted to get a bunch of, you know,

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 2>as much fans as possible. Eventually, if they like it,

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:40.840
<v Speaker 2>they'll go buy a ticket. But truth be told, after

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 2>about three hundred thousand views, my average was like twenty

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 2>dollars and I ended up making a shit ton of

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:50.800
<v Speaker 2>money from it.

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 2>And but I used the comedy community. I went on

0:37:57.600 --> 0:37:59.799
<v Speaker 2>Bill Burr, I went on all the podcasts that were

0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 2>my friends, and we promoted it because comics have always

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:08.240
<v Speaker 2>been on the forefront of everything from early Hollywood to radio,

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 2>to silent films to sitcoms. Dame Cook blew it up

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 2>with MySpace, you know, Rogan, Mark Marin, Tom Green, Adam Carolla,

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 2>with the podcasting, and then you know, now that's why

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:27.120
<v Speaker 2>you're doing a podcast. Is comics started podcasting. We were

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:27.520
<v Speaker 2>the first.

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty awesome.

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've always been ahead of because we just love

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 2>to create, and we can create funny and.

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, I know, I actually know why believe it or not?

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Why because it's something I say with every time I

0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:47.320
<v Speaker 1>talk to a comedian, and I don't try to repeat

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 1>myself just to be heard. But it's true. You really

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 1>are the foundation of entertainment and the hardest working people

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 1>in entertainment. That's why you're so interchangeable. You can act,

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 1>you can do drama, you can do comedy, you can write,

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 1>you can perform on stage to a live audience or

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:08.839
<v Speaker 1>a camera. But you all work so hard on your

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:12.320
<v Speaker 1>own and you support each other, whereas like, that's comedy

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:16.359
<v Speaker 1>that's so different than acting or music, where you sort

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:18.279
<v Speaker 1>of on your own. You don't have all these other

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 1>people trying to lift you up and help you in

0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:22.799
<v Speaker 1>the same industry, or at least it doesn't seem that

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 1>way as much anymore.

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 3>Well, we definitely are the blue collar of the entertainment business.

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:30.720
<v Speaker 2>And you're right in that fact that like to even

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:33.400
<v Speaker 2>get to a point to where you're even considering doing

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 2>something right. You have six, seven, sometimes ten years of

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 2>shitty bar gigs, you know, living in a smaller area

0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 2>moving to a bigger one, keeping your nights so open,

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 2>waiting in line, Like we used to wait in line

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:52.840
<v Speaker 2>at the lab factory to do three minutes and we

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 2>would get up at five am and you'd have a

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.839
<v Speaker 2>friend that would sit there until about five pm until

0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:02.600
<v Speaker 2>they came out, and then we would do it in

0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 2>shifts just to do three minutes to try and get

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:08.399
<v Speaker 2>a paid spot at a club. And we're doing that

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 2>until for so many years. So yeah, you're right. We're

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:14.360
<v Speaker 2>always always.

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Moving, always and don't ever call in the morning early.

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 3>At least you catch just before we go to bed.

0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 1>That's true, because then you're in the morning. How do

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:28.759
<v Speaker 1>you maintain that work life balance? It's so funny. As

0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 1>a woman, that's always the question. How are you a

0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 1>mom and work full time and all that? But this

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 1>is different. I mean, like we said, you're hard working,

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:41.919
<v Speaker 1>but there's your whole life outside of comedy, and there's

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:45.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of demands with touring and acting and performing.

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 1>What's your secret?

0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Like, well, I don't act as much.

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:53.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I was very fortunate to get on the show.

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:58.239
<v Speaker 2>I just always focus on the traveling and the stand up.

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 2>But I you know, I I guess state keep working,

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:05.640
<v Speaker 2>like keep doing new material, like keep take you know,

0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:08.399
<v Speaker 2>coming up with stuff, and so each time you're coming

0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:11.680
<v Speaker 2>to a city, it's a different routine or try to

0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:12.160
<v Speaker 2>be you know.

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 1>And take like new risks.

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, creatively, you know, and it's usually you know, it's

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:20.520
<v Speaker 2>it's goddess.

0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:23.319
<v Speaker 3>I was who the heck was I talking to about this?

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Where I you deconstruct what where you're at to figure

0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:33.399
<v Speaker 2>out the way you got there, but while you're getting there,

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 2>you have no idea how you're getting there.

0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:37.360
<v Speaker 1>I think that's called hindsight.

0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 3>Is that what it is?

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Look, I just simpled it up for you really easy.

0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's like you reverse engineer the process.

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:53.399
<v Speaker 2>And like when I was talking about, like you learn

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:57.279
<v Speaker 2>lessons with all right, I'll give you, uh, when you're

0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:01.280
<v Speaker 2>at the comedy store, say and you who like Dice

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:02.839
<v Speaker 2>taught me something one night.

0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:04.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know if he was teaching me.

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:07.840
<v Speaker 2>He wanted me to do this bit but then do

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:13.879
<v Speaker 2>a monologue leading up to the bit, and I was like, ugh,

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:14.879
<v Speaker 2>I had never done.

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:18.320
<v Speaker 1>You want to memorize it too, Just make it up, Oh.

0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:19.280
<v Speaker 3>Make it up. Yeah.

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:21.879
<v Speaker 2>So I was in the main room and I used

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.160
<v Speaker 2>to do this roller skating bit about this guy named

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:26.919
<v Speaker 2>Tony that was like thirty when we were ten.

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you ever remember.

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.719
<v Speaker 2>There was that old dude at the roller rink, but

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:34.240
<v Speaker 2>he he was like, you gotta tell everybody who's Tony?

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Where is he from?

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:39.880
<v Speaker 2>And because Dice was one of my idols growing up, I, uh,

0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I did it. And I went up and just started

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:45.319
<v Speaker 2>talking about this guy. I'd never done it before. And

0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:48.000
<v Speaker 2>this was in the main room. And I didn't realize

0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:50.880
<v Speaker 2>that at the time because I would watch Dice in

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 2>the or he commits. But he was teaching me commitment

0:42:57.480 --> 0:43:00.799
<v Speaker 2>by putting me in that situation which I would never

0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 2>have been in, and you just I just committed to

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 2>it because I had no choice and and and the

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:11.440
<v Speaker 2>uncomfortability came to laughter and I and I kind of

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize it till like eight months later, that

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:17.160
<v Speaker 2>that's what he does sometimes, Like he'll go on stage

0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and just commit to things.

0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 3>He never waivers and commit.

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 2>And I learned commitment from that, and then you learn

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 2>how to get a room back. One night, one of

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 2>the more famous comics just said good night and he

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:33.040
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to bring me up, so he ran off

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 2>stage forgetting to bring me up.

0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh what did you do?

0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Then I had to run up while the room was leaving,

0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:40.279
<v Speaker 2>And then now you're like, hey, and you have to

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 2>get everybody back. You just you learn these different scenarios

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:50.040
<v Speaker 2>and but you don't know you're learning it at the time.

0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 2>So it's like twenty something years later you go back

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:55.839
<v Speaker 2>and say, this is how I learned to commit, this

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:58.920
<v Speaker 2>is how I learned how to reset, and you know,

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:01.160
<v Speaker 2>but in the process, you don't know what's happening.

0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Can you share Brett a time that comedy helped you

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:08.000
<v Speaker 1>through a tough situation?

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:09.760
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the night the day my brother died. I went

0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:19.839
<v Speaker 2>on stage that night, and uh, you know I didn't

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:21.040
<v Speaker 2>I just I don't even think.

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 3>I talked about it.

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:24.799
<v Speaker 2>I just went into do a material and I just

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 2>kept getting up because you know, it's it's one of

0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:33.480
<v Speaker 2>those things where like you just I just forced myself

0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 2>to get up that day, and you know that helped.

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 3>That helped a lot.

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:40.360
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you know, you don't feel like going to

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 2>the gym, and you're like, I gotta go. You know,

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:48.240
<v Speaker 2>I just gotta go because that's what you learn from sports.

0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:51.680
<v Speaker 2>But you know, working out makes me feel better. I

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 2>feel like I accomplished something, like I center my day

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:58.279
<v Speaker 2>around a gym, and then I center my.

0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 3>Meant health around my stand up.

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess because I do have that outlet, and I

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:10.080
<v Speaker 2>can see where it could be difficult for somebody who's

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:14.719
<v Speaker 2>going through something that doesn't have an outlet to be

0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:17.560
<v Speaker 2>creative with it, if that makes sense totally.

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:20.400
<v Speaker 1>And do you see when you've done that for others

0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:23.440
<v Speaker 1>when you're on stage, No, because.

0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:27.480
<v Speaker 2>You you can't get the same feeling. I mean, you know,

0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:30.759
<v Speaker 2>it's the difference between preparing a meal and somebody eating it.

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:34.799
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's the chefs that are like, hey, I

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:38.840
<v Speaker 2>just discovered this new spice or whatever, this new combination.

0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:42.799
<v Speaker 2>The satisfaction is watching people eat it and being wow,

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:46.120
<v Speaker 2>this is the best. This was really good, you know,

0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:51.120
<v Speaker 2>But it would be more of trying to give a

0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:55.680
<v Speaker 2>one of the best meals possible, or you're the best

0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 2>meal you can give to someone who hasn't eaten in

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 2>a while, and then yeah, so not only are you

0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 2>feeding them that, but it's something really good for them, because.

0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Did you know that was going to be a byproduct

0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 1>of yours?

0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:13.600
<v Speaker 2>What I mean, you don't, You don't know. You still

0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:17.040
<v Speaker 2>don't know. You just know that, you know. Some people

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:20.239
<v Speaker 2>will leave you a private message saying, hey, I went

0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:24.720
<v Speaker 2>through this, and it's funny too when you're online and people,

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:31.000
<v Speaker 2>uh leave comments about things they don't understand. And then

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:33.239
<v Speaker 2>and then there's the ones that do get it, and

0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:34.759
<v Speaker 2>then they hit you up and they're like, yo, this

0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 2>was my story.

0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:41.120
<v Speaker 3>And then then you know, you kind of have a.

0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Shared experience with them, and those you try to tie,

0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:45.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, try and hit them back and say, yo,

0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:48.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that that worked for you. I mean, you know,

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:52.720
<v Speaker 2>but that's not the I I know, it's everything sounds contradictory,

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:53.759
<v Speaker 2>but that's not the goal.

0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 3>Man.

0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 2>It's still like there's just there's something pleasing in taking

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 2>a thought and then constructing an idea. And then here's

0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:05.440
<v Speaker 2>the crazy part. I don't even care if they laugh.

0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I just want I just want the right people to laugh,

0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 2>and they will.

0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 3>Huh right.

0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 1>That's that's an interesting take. I don't think I've ever

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:16.000
<v Speaker 1>heard anyone.

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:18.840
<v Speaker 3>Well, no, there's a lot that way that are okay

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:19.600
<v Speaker 3>with silence.

0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I am horrible with that. By the way, my

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:26.399
<v Speaker 1>husband tells me that for someone who gets paid to talk,

0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:27.959
<v Speaker 1>I give a lot of words away for free.

0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:28.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course.

0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:33.120
<v Speaker 1>But looking back on your career, what do you hope

0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>that your legacy in comedy will be?

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:37.680
<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't know.

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Is that a hard question?

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:41.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because you don't know.

0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:45.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you just the only thing I would

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 2>want people to say about me is how hard I

0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:51.760
<v Speaker 2>work and how much integrity I have.

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:52.520
<v Speaker 3>And what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, you know, I don't want to to sit there

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<v Speaker 2>and go I want to have world peace. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you don't know, there's many I want people

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<v Speaker 2>to realize that everything will be okay. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, when you leave, everything's gonna be fine. You

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<v Speaker 2>have two choices. Just laugh at it and from me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm Catholic. I believe in God. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus was who he was. But I give I always

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<v Speaker 2>compliment atheists. I now, I'm like, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>you guys do it without God, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, I give you props, but.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day, we're all gone. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>every every this, I mean, it's just everything goes like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know that because I was twenty five two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago and I got to assume I'll be seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five in a month.

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<v Speaker 3>And what are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody goes through things, So just laugh at it, because

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<v Speaker 2>that takes the.

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<v Speaker 3>Power away from you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to say the devil or evil or negative.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's true. It keeps it all at bay.

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<v Speaker 2>Evil knows it can't win. It doesn't want to win.

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<v Speaker 2>It just wants to cause chaos and cause sorrow. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you get caught up in that and you start

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<v Speaker 2>to make decisions based on.

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<v Speaker 3>Desperation, everything will.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything always works out, and even if it doesn't, something

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<v Speaker 2>else will, because you know, God gives by taking away.

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<v Speaker 3>It takes something away, something else comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you're sad about things or think your tragedies

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<v Speaker 2>are unique, then they're not. Everybody goes through something. Some

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<v Speaker 2>are way more awful than others, some are way more

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<v Speaker 2>harder to laugh at.

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<v Speaker 3>But just know all of us will be dead one day.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm willing to bet when you're one hundred years

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<v Speaker 2>old in bed, your last thoughts aren't going to be God.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish that person didn't make fun of me. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be focusing on ice cream and past

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<v Speaker 2>family members, and I wish I had more time.

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<v Speaker 3>I missed my mother making Sunday gravy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, whatever those thoughts are, those are the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that you're really going to think about.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why all this stuff in between. Just just

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<v Speaker 3>laugh at it. You got no choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Laugh and look for silver linings. That's that's MyD.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like I said, if you know you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be dead one day, why are you letting everything stress

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<v Speaker 2>you out? I mean, there's gonna be major events in

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<v Speaker 2>your life that you have no control over, but everything else,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, That's the beauty of comedy is we're laughing

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<v Speaker 2>at life, right. And I remember at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>my special, I said that you know when you because

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<v Speaker 2>I was, I got divorced. But that when I did

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<v Speaker 2>the not Principal, the one after Principles of Domesticated Animal,

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<v Speaker 2>it was my least favorite special because I was lying

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<v Speaker 2>the whole time. Because I wrote it as a married man,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had made jokes about our marriage as kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like not a homage or whatever the word is,

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<v Speaker 2>but in honor of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I think the h is silent whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>That thing's called.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never heard anyone say that, I'm sorry, So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not that broud. You're not even trying to be funny,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Stupid sometimes I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>So I said at the end that you know, whenever

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<v Speaker 2>we see romantic movies, it's either when we first met

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<v Speaker 2>or when we're getting a divorce. You know, does usually,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's all the in between is where comics come in,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the stuff you need to laugh at.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, sir frett Ernst, thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 3>I know it was very wordy, but this is very early.

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<v Speaker 1>For me right now, That's okay. I love wordy