1 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: Congratulations, you've been accepted into the inaugural class of Therapy 2 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: for Black Gross University. Whether packing for a new year 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: on campus, thinking through your gap year and rolling in 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: a community college, or grabbing your skills for graduation, TPGU 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: is here to help you thrive at this stage of 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: your life and beyond. 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: Hi. I'm Soria Taylor and I'm the TBG podcast production intern. 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: We'll return to Jana right after the break. 9 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: Your professors and older mentors have probably nagged you at 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: least once about creating a LinkedIn profile. And while it 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: may be easy to roll your eyes at this request, 12 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 1: when utilized correctly, professional platforms like LinkedIn can be your 13 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: gateway into securing your next internship, job opportunity. Joining me 14 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: today to discuss how she's leveraged online platforms for career 15 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: success is a photographer and full time student, Denise Stephanie Hewitt. 16 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: Since her debut magazine cover for Marie Claire at seventeen, 17 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: Denise's work has grace, folk, hype, the magazine, and more. 18 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: Denise was dubbed the NYU student digging class to shoot 19 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: the met Gala by Cultured magazine. In our discussion today, 20 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: Denise and I explained what things should and should not 21 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: be on your LinkedIn, how to strike a balance between 22 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: personal identity and professionalism, and advice for impressing your employers 23 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: in an internship. 24 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 3: Here's our conversation. 25 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: Thank you for talking with me today. I'm really excited 26 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: about our conversation. I personally need this advice that you're 27 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: about to give and all these gyms you're about to 28 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: tell us, And I know that our community is going. 29 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: To be really excited to hear this as well. 30 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: So to start off, since you were a teen, you 31 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: lived at Hannah, Montana double life as a photographer and 32 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: a full time student. Looking back, what do you think 33 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: gave you the confidence to know you could succeed at both. 34 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 4: I just had a hunger for it. For me, it 35 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 4: was never a question of could it work, but how 36 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 4: can I make it work. I'd see these big opportunities 37 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 4: for myself and just think, am I really going to 38 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 4: pass this up just because of the schedule change or 39 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 4: just because I have some homework assignments that I need to do. 40 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 4: So I just always just had that confidence and that 41 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 4: hunger for it. For example, when I was looking at 42 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 4: my first photography gig, I thought, Okay, if I take 43 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 4: this job, it's from four to six, and then I 44 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 4: just need to leave my our class fifteen minutes early 45 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 4: just to get. 46 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 5: Their own time. 47 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 4: I can do my homework as soon as I get 48 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 4: home right after the commute, and then I just make 49 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 4: it happen. So I just knew that there are things 50 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 4: that are flexible within my schedule that I can just rearrange. 51 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 4: Play tetrist with a bit, just to make things happen 52 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 4: and go after things because there are such opportunities that 53 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 4: really can push forward your entire career, which is where 54 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 4: I'm at right now. 55 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 5: So I had to do it. And also I have 56 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 5: no choice. 57 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 4: I'm a perfectionist too, so you know, whatever homework needed 58 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 4: to get done was going to get done somehow. And 59 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 4: it's also too because I was on scholarship, so I 60 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 4: knew that to stay. 61 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 5: In good academic standing, I needed that. And also just 62 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 5: me with my. 63 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 4: High standards again perfectionism, I was not letting myself see 64 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 4: a logpa, So I was gonna. 65 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 5: Make it work no matter what. 66 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 4: My parents, I say, definitely had a hand in just 67 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 4: encouraging me to be hungry and wanting to try everything 68 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 4: like they had me doing gymnastics, tennis, soccer, like all 69 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 4: the sports. 70 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 5: You know. 71 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 4: I just tried everything when I was younger, So that 72 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 4: hungered and desire to just see where things go has 73 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 4: always been a part of my upbringing. So yeah, I 74 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 4: didn't know that I was getting into what would be 75 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 4: an entire photography career when I started, but I just 76 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 4: knew that it was something I was interested in. And 77 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 4: I guess my overall thing is that I only know 78 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 4: how to put my all into things. 79 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 5: It's all or nothing. 80 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 3: For me right now. 81 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: I completely relate to the perfectionism, all or nothing mindset 82 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: and just the grind mentality, and that takes a lot 83 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: of balance and a lot of honesty with yourself of 84 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: what you can handle. So I definitely relate to that. 85 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: Are there any photographers or media girlies that you look 86 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: up to? 87 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 5: Okay, and I had Gold not a photographer, but she's 88 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 5: a PR girly. I love her. Her story itself. 89 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 4: Is amazing because she started off on Broadway and then 90 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 4: did this transition into PR and it's working with all 91 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 4: of the dope black creative brands that I personally love. 92 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 4: So she taught TIER love her photographer. I'd say Sophia Wilson. 93 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 4: She's also was in my department at a point as 94 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 4: well at MYU Adrian Raquel. Her colors are amazing in 95 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 4: her photos and also just friends around me. They keep 96 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 4: me grounded and excite me to continue working in the 97 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 4: industry because I know that when we get older, we 98 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 4: are going to be the ones that we all work with, 99 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 4: So it's just going to be like working with friends 100 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 4: and people you came up with. 101 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: So right, and how did growing up in New York 102 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: City shape what you thought was possible for your career. 103 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 5: I was younger, I. 104 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 4: Don't think I truly understood how big the city was, 105 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 4: But as I grew in high school, I think I 106 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 4: came to understand the mentality. There's this innate, go get 107 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 4: her mentality where every move is powerful and also purposeful 108 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 4: and intentional. So I think there's a self awareness about 109 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 4: that that teaches you to be very, very decisive and 110 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 4: just like go So between my parents and also the city, 111 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 4: I think I definitely. 112 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 5: Rubbed off on me in terms of how I carry myself. 113 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 4: And I think it was really when I started to 114 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 4: go to the gallery openings at my job, and that's 115 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 4: where I really got to see how big the industry is, 116 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 4: and also the different sectors and what people do. And 117 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 4: then's just seeing around me the creatives that would put 118 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 4: on shows and seeing other black women photographers and just 119 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 4: all the creatives convening in one space. I understood just 120 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 4: how much of the industry is rooted here and how 121 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 4: expansive also the city is in terms of cross disciplines. 122 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 4: So I didn't get it at first when I was 123 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 4: coming up, but once I got into the space, that's 124 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 4: when you see things really and the kind of world's 125 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 4: colliding and combining. 126 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think you have to live in New 127 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: York City or another major city to have a creative career. 128 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 5: No, it makes it easier though. 129 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: One thing that I love about the city is that 130 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 4: it feels like here you bump into people so much 131 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 4: more often, and so things are convenient to get to, 132 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 4: events end up in similar places, and just there's the 133 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 4: balance that you can have where you can go to 134 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 4: the cafe here, take a meeting, and then you can 135 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: go to locksdown in the galleries right there. So I 136 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 4: think it definitely has plus sides to it, but it's 137 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 4: not necessarily needed. A lot of creatives have come from 138 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 4: areas that may not have such expansive art scenes but 139 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 4: have come to be some of our favorite artists. 140 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 5: So I think there's definitely. 141 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 4: The ease of it being in New York, but I 142 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 4: don't think it's necessary. There's always a creative need, whether 143 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 4: that's photos or videos for other people that want to 144 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 4: capture memories or capture events. So it just depends on 145 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 4: what you're looking for and what your niches. 146 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, it reminds me of this concept that 147 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: like the major cities like New York City, Chicago are 148 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: similar to a college campus. Everything is walkable. You have 149 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: your cafe, you have your library, you have everything you 150 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: need in walkable distance, and that increases people's likelihood to 151 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: connect and to learn more people and to experience more things. 152 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: So it definitely reminds me of this new topic that's 153 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: popping up around comparing colleges to these major cities. When 154 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: choosing the college you wanted to attend, how important was 155 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: selecting a school that nurtured slash, would allow you to 156 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: pursue your creative passions and connect with the city. 157 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 5: Freely, absolutely top of mind. 158 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 4: I pretty much only applied to big city schools, and 159 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 4: that was for a few reasons. One, because I knew 160 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 4: that I wanted to still pursue photography or being in 161 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 4: a creative field to some degree. So whether that was 162 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 4: going to be my minor or continue to do freelance 163 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 4: and seeing what was out there, I needed it to 164 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 4: be in another big city like that, or I really 165 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 4: just honestly, let me be so real, I wanted to 166 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 4: stay in New York because my network is here and 167 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 4: I really wanted to continue to build that, especially because 168 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 4: I was starting in high school. I had only been 169 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 4: doing it for three years, and I was starting to 170 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 4: see growth that I wanted to make sure that I 171 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 4: followed up on. 172 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 5: So a lot of the schools I applied to were just 173 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 5: in New York. 174 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 4: Secondly, I'm just a city girl, like I can't. I 175 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 4: can't do suburbs, even though where I'm at it's close 176 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 4: to where you can get like that busy avenue, but 177 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 4: still you can have that kind of quieter area of 178 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 4: the city. 179 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 5: I need that convenience. My Bodega's not down. 180 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 4: The road, like that's a problem, that's an issue, and 181 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 4: so yeah, I just had that top of mine. 182 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 5: Honestly, with locations, I only applied to New York schools 183 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 5: in LA. 184 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 4: So yeah, that was really critical part of it because 185 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 4: no matter if my major was going to be photography, 186 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 4: which and YU. 187 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 5: Was the only place I applied to a. 188 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 4: Tonal major, or it was going to be like business 189 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 4: or marketing or communications, I needed it to be in 190 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 4: an area that would nurture that and also nurtured my 191 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 4: need to walk everywhere record speed. 192 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 3: So yeah, gotcha. I'm curious. 193 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: Tell me about a time when you had a photography 194 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: gig interfer take precedent over school. How did you approach 195 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: balancing the demands of college with your career pursuits. 196 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 4: So many times, so so many times. Last semester especially, 197 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 4: I was working on a global campaign. I still can't 198 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 4: say what it is, so look out for that, but 199 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,599 Speaker 4: it was a global campaign. I dreamed of working with 200 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 4: this brand. When I tell you, you can find it in 201 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 4: interviews like I've been talking about it for a minute. 202 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 4: And when I tell you I worked on that project 203 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 4: every single day. It was giving full time job, honestly, 204 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 4: tight turnaround meetings almost every day, casting location scale like 205 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 4: the whole nine yard. 206 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 5: I'll say probably like. 207 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 4: A quarter of the meetings were taking place while I 208 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 4: was supposed to be doing something else or while I 209 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 4: was doing something else. I literally have a video of me. 210 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 4: I'm an arian campus. I literally have a video of 211 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 4: me doing a pitch update meeting while I was logging 212 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 4: packages for my residents and like logging them away. It 213 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 4: was it was crazy, it was demanding. But I'm so 214 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,239 Speaker 4: excited for us to come out. 215 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 5: And I know it's going to be good. I've seen the. 216 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 4: Final photos and we're like talking about inslation and all that, 217 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 4: so it's going to be great. 218 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 5: But it's a daily struggle. 219 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 4: So whether that was like freshman year, me having to 220 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 4: be on class on zoom, it was so much easier 221 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 4: than and then doing photo shoot or telling my professor, Hey, 222 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 4: like I'm going to be missing class because I have 223 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 4: to shoot the mecala really quick. Sorry about that. I'll 224 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 4: do my assignment later. I'll get it to that, I promise. 225 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 4: Like It's That's been my entire career, and so it's 226 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 4: bittersweet that I'm coming to the end of my college career. 227 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 4: This sir that double life is not easy, but it 228 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 4: can be done. 229 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 3: That's so real. 230 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: That is also real when I think of balancing a 231 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: thriving career in school. I also think about the need 232 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: for rest and unplugging. So what does that look like 233 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: for you? 234 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 5: It's something I'm still learning what I actually appreciate. 235 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 4: I think for me, it typically starts with the topicals imask. 236 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 5: I won't even lie. 237 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 4: It's the smallest thing, but it works like it just 238 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 4: does wonders. I don't know, but yeah, so topicos I'm 239 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 4: ask even if I don't have the full time to 240 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 4: do it, like or really take the time to not 241 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 4: do anything, throw one of those on. I don't know, 242 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 4: like healing powers. But I think what else too is 243 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 4: I have been heavy into music forever. It's a critical 244 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 4: part of my upbringing for sure too, So I think 245 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 4: a lot of my time is also spent just building 246 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 4: playlists out and organizing it by transition in and like 247 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 4: by vibe and curating the entire thing that is my 248 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 4: happy place. I could do that for hours. I often 249 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 4: do it for hours and lease track of time. And 250 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 4: then also reading. I'm getting back into reading. I did 251 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 4: this past year over the summer. I started off with 252 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 4: this book Homebodies at timing to in curse and she 253 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 4: she can write her ass off. I don't know if 254 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 4: it's supposed to not swear she's so good at what 255 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 4: she does, and that was a really good introduction back 256 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 4: into reading. I think the power of reading for me 257 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: is that I can slow my mind and train myself 258 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 4: to slow my mind, especially because I'm running around doing 259 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 4: all the things all at once. Being able to take 260 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 4: my time and like read words on a page and 261 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 4: also like have something tactile that I'm like interacting with 262 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 4: as they go along. I think it's almost a meditative 263 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 4: process for me. So yeah, I've enjoyed reading for sure. 264 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: I relate to all three mine. I'm a topical, I'm 265 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: ass girl, but I'm also a trader. Joe's Lemon Grass 266 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: Body Oil Girl put it. 267 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 5: On in the mornings. 268 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: It's an amazing set and it just wakes me up 269 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: and it gets me going. But I definitely relate to 270 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: making playlists for hours on end and also picking reading 271 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: back up. I think in college is so hard to 272 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: like read for yourself, and so a mission of mine 273 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: last year is similar to you, like in the summertime, 274 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: it's too slow my mind down, pick up a book 275 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: and read some words that aren't on your phone or 276 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: on TikTok or on Instagram. 277 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 3: So I definitely relate to all of that. 278 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 4: I'm also going to expose myself, no shame. I'm a 279 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 4: cartoon girl. So it just feeds my inner child. I'm sorry, 280 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 4: I'm exposed myself, but I love the brad To animated 281 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 4: TV shows period, the TV episodes of Brats. 282 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 5: I'm sorry. That is like it's iconic, and that just 283 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 5: it feeds my. 284 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 4: Inner child, It really does, and it warms my younger 285 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 4: self that watch those four girls navigate friendship, building a 286 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 4: cool mad magazine, travel the world. 287 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 5: That was my dream and funny enough. So what am 288 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 5: I doing now? 289 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 4: I'm a media girl doing similar things and finding my 290 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 4: friends in that space. So yeah, no, the Brats girls like, yeah. 291 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 5: They were girls. 292 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, they were those girls period. 293 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: Hi. I'm sorry, Taylor, and I'm the TBG podcast production intern. 294 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: We'll return to Jana right after the break. 295 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: So let's get into the moment that we've been waiting for. 296 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: Let's talk about LinkedIn. So can you give us a 297 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: rundown of the platform, Like we're five year olds? What 298 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: is LinkedIn? 299 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 4: I like to think of LinkedIn as your receipt when 300 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 4: you get to that door, you show them. Listen, these 301 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 4: are all the things that I've done, and I deserve 302 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 4: to be here or to leave the door. Butnkedin is 303 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 4: so easy, I think, especially in the amount of features 304 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 4: on the platform, to just keep that record up to date. 305 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 4: It's so important to remember to check off and also 306 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 4: update that because this is like your record of everything 307 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 4: you've done, and it's also public too. I honestly use 308 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 4: LinkedIn like it's a social media like are you with 309 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 4: somebody else? 310 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 5: But it ritruly is. So it's such a useful tool. 311 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: Thank you for that breakdown, and I would love to 312 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: hear thoughts on how LinkedIn help you get to where 313 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: you are now before. 314 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 4: I even get to the positions that I landed. LinkedIn 315 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 4: just simply as a research tool is so critical, I 316 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 4: feel like, especially going into creative fields where the industry 317 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 4: is so mystifying and it's just it's a mystery about 318 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 4: the different jobs and roles and how you can even 319 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 4: be involved. LinkedIn showed me what those roles look like, 320 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 4: not all of them, but it definitely showed me so 321 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 4: many different sectors and parts to these large brands that 322 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 4: I love so much. Because they would post their jobs 323 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 4: on there, it would show me the descriptions, it'd show 324 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 4: me how much they're being paid to do these things 325 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 4: hybrid remote and also the amount of people within the 326 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 4: teams as well, so you can see what aspect of 327 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 4: the creative process you want to be a part of 328 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 4: and then how far it can take you in each 329 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 4: particular place. 330 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 5: So I think remembering that LinkedIn. 331 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 4: Can be your Google for jobs is perfect and I 332 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 4: think in all ways, whether that's for pay or what 333 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 4: jobs even exist before you start. 334 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 5: Applying, I think that's super important. 335 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 4: But beyond that, in terms of actually landing things, it 336 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 4: again is a record of everything you've done. 337 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 5: So once you start on LinkedIn. 338 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 4: You put all of your previous internships, jobs, where you've 339 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 4: been at, what colleges you've been to. You continue to 340 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 4: update that as you go along, and so you just 341 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 4: keep add and adding. You end up having a long 342 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 4: list of things to showcase. And so when you have that, 343 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 4: you have easy apply as well on LinkedIn, where some 344 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 4: jobs you don't even have to do the job board 345 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 4: separate website situation. You can apply with your profile. I 346 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 4: think that's another thing to keep in mind. Alongside your resume, 347 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 4: which is. 348 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 5: A PDF that you might have or your portfolio. 349 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 4: Your LinkedIn is not just that record but also you 350 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 4: can put really short updates on there. 351 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 5: It's truly social media. 352 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 4: You can make posts and talk about the different things 353 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 4: that you've done, or you just wrote this piece. Maybe 354 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 4: that piece doesn't exist on a resume because it's not 355 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 4: from a formal job and you did like a freelance opportunity, 356 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 4: But because it's on your profile, that's already a. 357 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 5: Part of your application and your materials. 358 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 4: People get to see the in between of those jobs 359 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 4: and the in between of what you've been doing in 360 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 4: the meantime. So remembering that similar to Instagram, which I 361 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 4: personally use for portfolio, where LinkedIn is just another version 362 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 4: of that, but more formal for like a corporate side, 363 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 4: I think. 364 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: Okay, so in today's world we have TikTok influencers and 365 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: Instagram batties, but what would someone who wants to grow 366 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: on LinkedIn post. 367 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 4: What's funny is that I'm seeing for sure they're actually 368 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 4: like LinkedIn influencers, and as they should. I think I've 369 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 4: seen creators use their platforms to post other job opportunities 370 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 4: that they find, which can be really helpful. 371 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 5: But I think you have to define what you mean 372 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 5: by growth first. 373 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 4: Does growth mean for you that you want to be 374 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 4: an influencer creator within the space of the job market, 375 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 4: helping people land things, or are you looking for growth 376 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 4: in terms of the connections that you have and who 377 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 4: you are connected with on LinkedIn, or you want to 378 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 4: be seen by recruiters or people who are looking for 379 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 4: people in your space. So I think, first define what 380 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 4: growth means to you. For me personally, that's just about 381 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 4: my reach and also the people seeing my profile. So 382 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 4: for me, in terms of what I would post, would 383 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 4: be the articles that I get to do, the coverage 384 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 4: that I get to do for Vogue or for Hype, 385 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 4: et cetera. Those are the things that I would do 386 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 4: to showcase what I'm doing in the meantime. So it's 387 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 4: not just a static profile that shows Okay, you've done 388 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 4: all these jobs, but people like to see examples. So 389 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 4: I think posts are really where you can show that 390 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 4: I've done updates, when I got awards, or when I've 391 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 4: done things school in school that I haven't been able 392 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 4: to show. In another way, I think it's about leveraging 393 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 4: the different features that LinkedIn has to do that, and 394 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 4: I think posts are a good way too. 395 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 3: Got it. 396 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: So next up, I'm curious how have you seen people 397 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: our age use LinkedIn in a creative way? 398 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 4: You know, plug on to my classmate's angel, I've seen 399 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 4: her recently start to post her own like hot takes 400 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 4: on things or just like ways that people should be 401 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 4: working within this space. And I've seen this across the 402 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 4: board in terms of people older than us as well, 403 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 4: or more so, like within their late twenties or thirties. 404 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 4: I personally love seeing like the social media marketers posting 405 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 4: their memes on there because they're so relatable, like things 406 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 4: talking about how social media is not just a one 407 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 4: person job, or like things that pr girls say and 408 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 4: things like that, like their relatable content that is also 409 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 4: still on topic with what people are dealing with on 410 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 4: a day to day, whether you're employed or you've done 411 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 4: the job already. So I think those have been fun 412 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 4: ways that I've seen people post. But I think in 413 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 4: terms of using your own profile, I still love to 414 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 4: see people take their profile more in the creative artsy way. 415 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 5: So there's like ways that you can take. 416 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 4: Your headshots or like the banner on your profile, stuff 417 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 4: like that that kind of showcases a little more personality, 418 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 4: but of course you want it to still be professional 419 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 4: in a way, So it's like a nice mixed. 420 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: There, right, And I've seen a lot of people our 421 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: age take vulnerability in a creative way and so being 422 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: very blunt and honest on LinkedIn on social posts talking 423 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: about their wages and equal pay and just being honest 424 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: and open. 425 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 3: About the workforce at large. 426 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: And so that's been really interesting to see pop up 427 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: on LinkedIn because it's so quote unquote professional. What key 428 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: pieces of information should someone be featuring on their LinkedIn 429 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: and other platforms to ensure that they're selling themselves and 430 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: their skills in the best way. 431 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 5: Yes, you can post the jobs that you've done, but 432 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 5: what have you actually done while you're there? 433 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 4: I think one thing that I've continued to learn to 434 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 4: do is to update my job descriptions as i've gone 435 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 4: along where I can showcase the highlights. So I worked 436 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 4: at Tiadeola for a time and one thing that I 437 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 4: made sure to put on there is that one of 438 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 4: my reels hit fifty K. Like those things are like 439 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 4: key moments and key highlights that you want to use 440 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 4: to show off your skills and what you've been able 441 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 4: to achieve during your time there. So talk about the projects, 442 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 4: name the brands, that you were able to collaborate with 443 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 4: All those things are really great ways to demonstrate that yes, 444 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 4: you have the fancy name and what's a big company, 445 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 4: but what did you actually achieve while you're there? I 446 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 4: think is really important. And then one thing also that 447 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 4: you can do is leave a kudos on people's pages too, 448 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 4: which I think is a face. Sure people don't use 449 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 4: too often, but I feel like that'd be a good 450 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 4: way to back your friends or people that you've worked 451 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 4: with and give them the I guess external validation that 452 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 4: they may need for like a recruiter or somebody else 453 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 4: to reinforce the. 454 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 5: Skills that you have. But I think that those are 455 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 5: a few ways to do that. 456 00:23:54,240 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 1: Interesting what red flags or things one should avoiding on 457 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: their LinkedIn. 458 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, things not to have? Oh my gosh. Okay, 459 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 5: this is me being picky. 460 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 4: But also I'm a photographer and a perfectionist, so I'm 461 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 4: just say your headshots, leads, don't let them be selfies LEAs, 462 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 4: let them not be a batty picture. We know you 463 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 4: look good, that's great, but LinkedIn is not the place 464 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 4: for that. Make sure you can seek out someone to 465 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 4: get your headshots done. Maybe me, but you know, make 466 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 4: sure that you have a really nice, clean headshot for that. 467 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 4: I think that's one of the first initial things. And 468 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 4: then I just like to see a profile that's really 469 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 4: thought out and flushed out. It's easy to put the jobs, 470 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 4: it's easy to put the titles, et cetera. But without 471 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 4: clear descriptions that are also really short and concise, sometimes 472 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 4: it feels like overload or that you're trying to fluff 473 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 4: it up without it necessarily being informational. I think again 474 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 4: that goes down to refining your resume as you along, 475 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 4: which is a skill. Honestly, it's very hard to do, 476 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 4: but I think one that's really clear and to the point, 477 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 4: especially considering the fact that for a lot of job 478 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 4: applications they only take one page resumes, which can be 479 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 4: super hard. So really think about and be intentional with 480 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 4: what is going on there. 481 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: In addition to LinkedIn, what other platforms have been helpful 482 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: to you for networking? 483 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 5: Instagram? I'm sorry is that girl? 484 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 4: Like I have been able to use that as a 485 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 4: way to connect with other creatives that I really am 486 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 4: inspired by and follow up their work and just continue 487 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 4: to be surrounded digitally with people that inspire me. People 488 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 4: that I want to get to know more people in 489 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 4: the space that I'm really interested in, and through just 490 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 4: continuing to consume their own works and get to know 491 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 4: them digitally, i'd be able to see them at events 492 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 4: and be like, Oh, I know you you do this, 493 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 4: and I'm really inspired by your latest post about this 494 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 4: or your latest pit photo project about this, and so 495 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 4: there are ways that you can follow through with that 496 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 4: in real life and really get to connect with these people. 497 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 4: So I think following intentionally is really really critical. 498 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 5: And then also one thing that I was glad I. 499 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 4: Found out about is that if you go to the 500 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 4: production companies who have been working on projects or production 501 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 4: companies that work within the field, they will post the 502 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 4: products that they worked on, as well as every single 503 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 4: person that has been on the project. And this kind 504 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 4: of space to a larger issue about credit and creators 505 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 4: and make sure that you're tagging people in posts so 506 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 4: that people can promote themselves and get more opportunities off 507 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 4: of that. But seek out the people who actually worked 508 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 4: on the projects, whether that's through photographers, directors, production companies, 509 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 4: or even the credits on an article. That's really where 510 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 4: you can find who you really need to know about 511 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 4: It's not always about who's in the campaign, who made 512 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 4: that campaign happen. So I think Instagram, the tags, credits, 513 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 4: captions are really the place to be to really come 514 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 4: to understand how big the industry is and also who 515 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 4: you should really know about. 516 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: Right, So basically pay more attention to the captions. 517 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 3: Okay, okay. 518 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: Many of us are thinking about what it means to 519 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: be professional in twenty twenty four, and we're seeing more 520 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: and more members of gen Z pushing back against the 521 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: notions of professionalism, like having to look a certain way, 522 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: talk a certain way to score a job. How do 523 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: you strike a balance between professionalism while also keeping your 524 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: identity intact. 525 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 5: Because of in a creative field there's a little bit 526 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 5: more flexibility. So I am going to have a different 527 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 5: perspective on it. 528 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 4: But I think that firstly you need to define what 529 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 4: professionalism means or looks like, and to me, professionalism is 530 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 4: more about character and how you carry yourself and how 531 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 4: you handle situations on the job or related to the 532 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 4: job or so than personality per se, which can vary 533 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 4: by person. 534 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 5: And want to make sure again that you are remembering that. 535 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 4: People are people and we have different ways of being 536 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 4: and being cognizant of that. So I think professionalism to 537 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 4: me in the workplace is more so about proactivity. It's 538 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 4: about communication and being able to keep that up, deadlines, 539 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 4: meeting those deadlines and being cognizant of those, being able 540 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 4: to be a good team player, all these different things 541 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 4: that can show up on how you actually achieve on 542 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 4: the job. Whereas your personality, what you're into, where you 543 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 4: are raised, how that. 544 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 5: Informs your identity is so separate from that. 545 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 4: So I think you can't really necessarily change, at least 546 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 4: for me, I can't fake things. But I still know 547 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 4: that there's time and a place for everything too. So 548 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 4: it's also like a balance of what you talk about 549 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 4: on the job versus not I think is really where 550 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 4: you start to see that difference or where you need 551 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 4: to have that separation of identity per se, but especially 552 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 4: being in a creative field. I come into work wearing 553 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 4: the p and Moss shoes and the Hanifa skirt and whatever, 554 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 4: because these are brands that I love or people that 555 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 4: I want to pour back into in terms of the 556 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 4: stuff that I wear. But of course, again there's logistics 557 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 4: around how people show up and dress in the workplace, 558 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 4: but I think again, it's a time and place thing rather. 559 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 5: Than having to change your identity. 560 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 4: I think I also appreciate our generation for kind of 561 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,239 Speaker 4: noticing these differences and wanting to make the separation so 562 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 4: that people can still live their best lives and really 563 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 4: just showcase their personality in that way. But I think 564 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 4: it can also just be something that is a plus 565 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 4: rather than a minus. 566 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 5: I think what. 567 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 4: I've done in job interviews is that when I speak 568 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 4: to HR, you're very professional, you. 569 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 5: Choose very carefully what you speak about, etc. 570 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 4: But then sometimes you get to talk to the creative 571 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 4: director or one of the photographers on the team, and 572 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 4: then you can actually have a sidebar about somebody else 573 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 4: that you love and create a field or I also 574 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 4: talk to one of my bosses at an internship right 575 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 4: now about topicals in NEVA, and you just spoke about 576 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 4: that for half the interview. So there's ways that you 577 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 4: can still have your personality live within the workplace. But 578 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 4: it's just about knowing time and place for certain topics 579 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 4: over others. 580 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 3: I love it. 581 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm sorry, Taylor, and I'm the TBG podcast production intern. 582 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: We'll return to Jana right after the break. 583 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: You've worked with some amazing companies like hype Beests and 584 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: Greenpoint Pictures. Tell us about a favorite project you've worked 585 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: on that's also foundational to you as a creative goodness. 586 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 5: This is like six years of stuff I go through. Man, 587 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 5: I'll say I'm gonna throw it back. I'm throwing it 588 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 5: back to twenty eighteen. 589 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 4: I worked with Barney's New York on a look book 590 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 4: slash campaign where. 591 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 5: I basically got to take their clothes. 592 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 4: And do an ode to my great grandmother's immigrant story 593 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 4: and just her entire life story. And I just got 594 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 4: to choose everything from who was doing here and makeup 595 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 4: and who was helping me with lighting and all of 596 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 4: that stuff. I got to have a hands on experience 597 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 4: in production before I even knew what the word production meant, 598 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 4: and just getting to choose and have full. 599 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 5: Creative freedom with that project. That's like one of my favorite. 600 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 4: Projects from Reference because it was intimate, it was personal. 601 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 4: It was also heavily with an editorial space. 602 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 5: Obviously had to. 603 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 4: Do with fashion, as that was what we were shooting, 604 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 4: but I also got to include, like my aunt was 605 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,959 Speaker 4: in it too, so it was a personal but still 606 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 4: fashion at ail story, which I think is the perfect 607 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 4: example of where my work lives. It's this lend and 608 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 4: mix of everything. So I think that project is always 609 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 4: going to have a special place in my heart and 610 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 4: I think that's the one. 611 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: Okay period, I love it. What are your top three 612 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: tips for impressing in an internship? How do you make 613 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: a lasting impact on your employer? 614 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 5: Proactivity? That's my biggest thing, and that shows up in 615 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 5: a bunch of different. 616 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 4: Ways, whether that is you following up on something that 617 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 4: you had questions about, or following up on something that 618 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 4: you were interested in. You weren't given that task, but 619 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 4: you want to be a part of it. There's that 620 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 4: kind of showing that you're there and showing that you're present, 621 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 4: that you're listening is something that I think encompasses that proactivity, 622 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 4: which shows people that you are serious about the job 623 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 4: but that you also see the potential in some other 624 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 4: things as well, which kind of showcases how hungry you 625 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 4: are are. So I think proactivity for sure. Communication too. 626 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 4: I know it's very very, very simple, but it's also 627 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 4: like the solution to almost everything. I think communicating early 628 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 4: and ahead of time and also again being proactive with 629 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 4: your communication. 630 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 5: Is something that shows off professionalism. 631 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 4: In a way because you're anticipating issues, You're anticipating and 632 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 4: letting people know in advance. And it's also about keeping 633 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 4: and holding other people in regard to You're not sure 634 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 4: how your own actions or. 635 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 5: What you do or don't do or going to affect. 636 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 4: The other people who are also working alongside you, so 637 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 4: giving them that heads up ahead of time, or letting 638 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 4: them know about conflicts, or letting them know that, hey, 639 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 4: I am going to be on time with that thing 640 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 4: you ask me to do. It just shows that you 641 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 4: are being again proactive and you're thinking of other people 642 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 4: in that way to make sure that you guys all 643 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 4: are working together as a team that can meet whatever 644 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 4: it is that you're trying to hit. 645 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 5: Third thing, oh Man, getting to know people, but not 646 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 5: just up also across easter race at it invest. 647 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 4: I feel like we've been quoting her on this for 648 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 4: a few years now, but I think getting to know 649 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 4: that other people in your department or people in other 650 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 4: departments has been something that is not just useful in 651 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 4: terms of showing the employer that you are invested in 652 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 4: a place, understand not only what your role is better, 653 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 4: but also other roles you might be interested in. I 654 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,919 Speaker 4: think again, we talked about LinkedIn being a great research tool, 655 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 4: but I think talking to other departments is seeing what 656 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 4: that work looks like has really been helpful for me 657 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 4: and understanding what other ways can I be creative that's. 658 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 5: Still showcase and align with things that I want to do. 659 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 4: So there are like different ways that you can do that, 660 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 4: but I think proactivity is the number one for sure. 661 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: I was going to fully agree with productivity. That's something 662 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: that my profes or told me freshman year college and 663 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, like okay, whatever, like I'll be productive, 664 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 1: But it really didn't hit me until I was in 665 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: my senior year that I really understood what that looks 666 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 1: like and actually how to live a productive life. So 667 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: I really I fully agree that productivity is number one 668 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: for sure. I'm curious what is your biggest piece of 669 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: advice for aspiring Black creatives? 670 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 5: Create for yourself and create with others. 671 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people come up to me 672 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 4: asking how can I work with this brand or how 673 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 4: can I get this person to notice me? And honestly, 674 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 4: so much of what you do in your own free 675 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 4: time and just for yourself and the things that you 676 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 4: create with your friends and building your portfolio on your 677 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 4: own is what. 678 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 5: People come to you for, So don't necessarily rush having 679 00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 5: to have worked with everybody before you think that you 680 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 5: you can call yourself a creative or invest in creating 681 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 5: multiple times over. I think that's one thing. 682 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 4: It's very very simple, just to make work, but I 683 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 4: think it's really critical because again I came into this industry. 684 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 4: One didn't why I was coming into this industry, honestly, 685 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 4: without connections, without knowing what like a PR team is, 686 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 4: not knowing what producers are, like any of that. But 687 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 4: I was creating in my free time and through the 688 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 4: programs that I was in, so I was. 689 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 5: Getting to just make art. And then because I made. 690 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 4: Art, and I made art that I was passionate about 691 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 4: and that no one was necessarily asking me to do, people. 692 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 5: Saw my eye and saw my eye. 693 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 4: In practice through these projects, and that's how people start 694 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 4: to notice. 695 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 5: And also, I think I've also said this is my 696 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 5: big advice and now remembering, is. 697 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,959 Speaker 4: To keep posting your work and keep doing the work 698 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 4: because you don't know who's wanted. Truly, I've had opportunities 699 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 4: come in my inbox, which most of my opportunities to 700 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 4: this point have just been people emailing me and it 701 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 4: almost makes me sense like how did you find me? 702 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 5: Why? Me? 703 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,919 Speaker 4: But it's again because if you promote yourself well enough 704 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 4: on Instagram on LinkedIn especially, you never know who is 705 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 4: actually following up with your journey and might not show 706 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 4: up in your follower account. I might not show up 707 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 4: and who requests you to be connections. But I'm telling 708 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 4: you to keep doing it and keep showcasing it. 709 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 2: Right. 710 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 3: I love that. 711 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: It's a lovely jim that you just dropped. Now for 712 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: a moment of reflection. What professional opportunities are you speaking 713 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: into existence for yourself in twenty twenty four. 714 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 6: I'm gonna find good job in brand partnerships. I'm going 715 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 6: to find a space for myself within marketing and production. 716 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 4: I'm going to have my work on a billboard somewhere. 717 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 4: I'm going to work on another campaign. I'm bringing all 718 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 4: these things into this year, and I'm gonna do another 719 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 4: speaking engagement somewhere. 720 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 5: It's gonna happen. Bring that in for this year. 721 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: Okay, period, I love all of these things and I'm 722 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: infesting it for you as well. We all are so period. 723 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,439 Speaker 1: Where can we keep up with you? What are your 724 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: social media handles on Instagram. 725 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,919 Speaker 4: I'm at the Denise Stephanie LinkedIn Denise Stephanie Hewett find 726 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 4: me on there and we've been trying to do a 727 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 4: little TikTok We'll see, but she's at the Denise Stephanie 728 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 4: as well. We'll see if I really keep up with it. 729 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 4: But it's there. 730 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: Okay, Well we're going to check the TikTok out. Thank 731 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 1: you so much Denise for talking with me today. I 732 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: really appreciate all the gyms that you had for us. 733 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: They were amazing. And yeah, thank you for talking with me. 734 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 5: Thank you. 735 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: I want to thank niece once again for joining us 736 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: for this episode. Class is over for now, but before 737 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,959 Speaker 1: we dismiss, take the following affirmations from my conversation home 738 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: with you. My dream internship is within my reach. I 739 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: have the ability to secure the job I want without 740 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: sacrificing all the things that make me me. I don't 741 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: have to choose between my career commitments and my academic commitments. 742 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: I have the ability to balance both while still making 743 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: time for self care. To learn more about the work 744 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: Denise is doing, or to do more research on this topic, 745 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: be sure to visit Theirppblackgirls dot com slash tvgu This 746 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: episode was produced by Frida Lucas, Elise Ellis, and Zaria Taylor. 747 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: Editing is by Dennison L. 748 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 5: Bradford