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Speaker 1: player for you, Steve, Steve a blimp. We're not even

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Speaker 1: live soap opera, it would be you couldn't watch any

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Speaker 1: unhappy with his club because of something. And this is

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Speaker 1: up in week what four or five? Ten? I think

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Speaker 1: it was no, no, no, no, no, no no. It was

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Speaker 1: earlier than that. It was earlier than that. It was

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Speaker 1: It was not week nine. It was very early. Come on, man,

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Speaker 1: it was weak. It was week no. That was week five.

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Speaker 1: week seven. No, where was it when they hold on?

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Speaker 1: the game. So because of that that the cap would

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Speaker 1: jump even even you know, in a regular time. But

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Speaker 1: now that it's got to make you know, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: go back up with what they lost in COVID. With

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Speaker 1: people actually in the stands and the new TV deals,

433
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Speaker 1: you can see where teams would want to push some

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Speaker 1: or push some expenses down the road and pay for

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Speaker 1: it with money they don't have yet, A lot to

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Speaker 1: peel away from that onion. A lot of layers, a

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Speaker 1: lot of layers, and that's why we've said multiple times

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Speaker 1: front office guys are gonna earn their money, not only

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Speaker 1: the gms, but the capologists that have to budget for

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Speaker 1: this number, this number, this number, who you can afford

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Speaker 1: to keep, who would be best to say thanks, But

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Speaker 1: this extenuating circumstances going to force us to part ways.

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Speaker 1: We need we need room under the cap, and you're

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Speaker 1: one of the players that, unfortunately is going to help

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Speaker 1: us the most to do that, and we have to

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Speaker 1: kind of say so long and see it down the road.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what though, given the great unknown that

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Speaker 1: this all is, and at this point before we go

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Speaker 1: through it, I mean, I know all of us would like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: give me the money I want to spend it. Is

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Speaker 1: it more? Is it smarter to be where back where

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Speaker 1: you have to stand back and say, listen, we don't

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Speaker 1: have the cash to jump into this. We're just gonna

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Speaker 1: do what we do. We're kind of we got a

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Speaker 1: good team now, which is a good place to be

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Speaker 1: for most team. But it forces you to be disciplined, right,

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Speaker 1: You've got to be disciplined, and for these teams like

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Speaker 1: the ones we mentioned, you know, Jets, Patriots, Colts, Jacksonville,

459
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Speaker 1: to go out and just go bo, just like you know,

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Speaker 1: just like dealing hundos, right, making it rain, doing all that,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, and then in two years or

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Speaker 1: even one year or two years, having all that come

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Speaker 1: back to roost and all those players that you paid

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Speaker 1: all that money to are loafing on the beach. The

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Speaker 1: Jets have been down that road time and time again.

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Speaker 1: They can be very interesting to see if their front

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Speaker 1: office under Joe Douglas is a lot more responsible with

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Speaker 1: his spending. Yeah, you know, I think Jets fans want

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Speaker 1: to believe they will be, but the proof will be

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Speaker 1: in the pudding here. Can they resist you know, plunking

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Speaker 1: down a ton of money on one or maybe two guys.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We don't have enough of a track

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Speaker 1: record on Joe Douglas, and knowing he comes from Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: which hasn't been shy about handing out long term comment tracks,

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Speaker 1: sooner rather than later, does he subscribe to that method that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are all things that we're just gonna

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Speaker 1: have to wait and see in terms of how he

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Speaker 1: handles things. And I think Bills fans, knowing that their

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Speaker 1: team is probably not going to be super active in

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Speaker 1: the free agent market, will undoubtedly be keeping an ear

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Speaker 1: to the ground on what the Jets do, what the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins do, what the Patriots do this offseason because those

483
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Speaker 1: three teams have more money to spend and more draft

484
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Speaker 1: capital utilize this offseason to try to make themselves better

485
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Speaker 1: to catch up to Buffalo. So it's kind of a

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Speaker 1: different offseason dynamic for Bills fans, right, Yeah, And we're,

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Speaker 1: you know, a month away or a little less about

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Speaker 1: two and a half three weeks away from kicking it

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Speaker 1: off in this free agency period, and I for everything

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Speaker 1: we've talked about, I still think, yeah, there's gonna be

491
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Speaker 1: some like whoa they did? What kind of they released? What?

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Speaker 1: That guy's gonna be a free agent now, Holy Crow,

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Speaker 1: And I think for you and me and all the

494
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Speaker 1: Bills fans everywhere, we're gonna be going, oh, why didn't

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Speaker 1: we have any cap money to spend on that guy? We?

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Speaker 1: You know, And there's gonna be a ton of sad

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Speaker 1: thing is in a normal offseason they would Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: would have been positioned. Just in a normals offseason, these

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Speaker 1: guys won't be out there, you know. And here's a

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Speaker 1: name going out there right now. The Broncos, according to

501
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Speaker 1: Adam Schefter, have released defensive tackle Jarrell Casey. According to

502
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Speaker 1: a source, now, Jarrell Casey was a really good defensive

503
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Speaker 1: tackle for the Tennessee Titans, and they unceremoniously released him

504
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Speaker 1: because they had drafted younger players in recent years, Jeffrey

505
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Speaker 1: Simmons being a perfect example of that, and they parted

506
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Speaker 1: ways with him. They traded him to Denver. I think

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Speaker 1: they only got like a sixth or a seventh round

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Speaker 1: pick for him. I couldn't believe it. Now, he's a

509
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Speaker 1: little long in the tooth, but you want somebody that

510
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Speaker 1: can help you against the run, that guy fits the Bill.

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Speaker 1: He's built like a freezer box, but has more better

512
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Speaker 1: movement than you would anticipate for a player of that stature.

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Speaker 1: So just another example of the type of veteran players

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Speaker 1: that are going to be out there on the market.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's this guy's been to the Pro Bowl?

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Speaker 1: How many times? One, two, three, four, five times he's

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Speaker 1: been to the Pro Bowl. Twenty twenty one will be

518
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Speaker 1: his age thirty two season. Him he only played in

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Speaker 1: three games last year. Is he suffered through some injuries,

520
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Speaker 1: but prior to that he was remarkably durable. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a defensive tackle that is a ten and

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Speaker 1: a half sacks season on his resume usually gets you

523
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Speaker 1: anywhere from five to seven sacks a season from an

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Speaker 1: interior position where he's usually playing one technique, three techniques

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Speaker 1: somewhere in there. So good player, veteran player, someone who

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Speaker 1: could sign to a short term deal, someone who's coming

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Speaker 1: off a season of injuries. That guy's going to be

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Speaker 1: affordable for a lot of teams out there because of

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Speaker 1: the season you know, he's coming off with having just

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Speaker 1: played three games. That's a guy that's looking for a

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Speaker 1: one year, proven deal so he can maybe get a

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Speaker 1: chance to sign one more contract and get one more

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Speaker 1: kick at the cat before he retires. So and he's

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Speaker 1: just that's just the beginning. I mean what JJ was

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Speaker 1: the beginning, correct, But there's gonna be a ton of

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Speaker 1: guys out there that can really really play. Now, most

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Speaker 1: of them are gonna fit that boat mold, gonna be

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Speaker 1: thirty plus years old, making a ton of money, maybe

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Speaker 1: had had some injuries over the last two or three years,

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Speaker 1: and they're not going to cost their team a dead cap.

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Speaker 1: So you can go down the list of every team

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Speaker 1: in the league and you find guys like that. Those

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Speaker 1: are the guys are gonna be out there no matter

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Speaker 1: who it is, no matter who it is, one of

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Speaker 1: those guys that kind of hadn't been maybe played in

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Speaker 1: maybe twelve games or eight games or lass last year

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Speaker 1: or the last couple of years, and is making a

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Speaker 1: good bucket. But they're thirty plus years old. Those guys

549
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: are gonna be everywhere. You know, it was in that category.

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Speaker 1: John Brown played in seven games, thirty one years old,

551
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Speaker 1: big cap figure. Now there will be some times too

552
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Speaker 1: where and the Bills may do this where that guy's

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Speaker 1: got to restructure anyway, Yeah, entering the last year of

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Speaker 1: his deal, So they could extend him a year and

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Speaker 1: cut it out. They could. They could. Whether he would

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Speaker 1: be amenable to that remains to be seen. But as

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Speaker 1: we heard some of the people we've had on our show,

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Speaker 1: some of the national guys who's had on our show

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Speaker 1: in the last week. If you're making somewhere between five

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Speaker 1: and ten million dollars and you're not going to your

561
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Speaker 1: team looking to restructure that deal to try to stay

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Speaker 1: on a roster, your agent is doing you a disservice

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Speaker 1: because you're gonna end up. Just like you were describing

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Speaker 1: what they would do for John Brown, is this They

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Speaker 1: would he's going into the last year of his deal.

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Speaker 1: They could extend him one year, turn half of that

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Speaker 1: money into signing bonus, give it to him guarantee, like

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Speaker 1: a small base salary of a minimum veteran minimum. But

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Speaker 1: it would all be guaranteed because he got in his pocket,

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Speaker 1: and to extend the rest of it over the next year,

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Speaker 1: so cut it in, he would cut his cap hit

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Speaker 1: figure in half. And for a guy like John Brown,

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Speaker 1: who the Bills know very well and would trust that

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Speaker 1: he's going to show up and play, they may do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they could do that just one of the things to

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Speaker 1: keep an eye on this offseason. Break time for us,

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Speaker 1: but when we come back, we want your thoughts on

578
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 1: what you think the biggest obstacle for the Bills is

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Speaker 1: this offseason. Is it managing this restricted cap, finding talent

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Speaker 1: in the free agent market when you're operating on a budget,

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Speaker 1: the draft process with lingering, COVID restrictions, or something else.

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Speaker 1: Give us a call eight O three oh five fifty

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Speaker 1: open line for you there. We'll be taking your phone calls. Next.

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Speaker 1: saying you have the bill three a clock and we

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Speaker 1: company of the Buffalo Bills. As we are discussing today,

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Speaker 1: what you think the biggest obstacle is for the Bills

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Speaker 1: this offseason in terms of doing business more than anything else.

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Speaker 1: Is it a managing the restricted camp, be finding talent

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Speaker 1: in the free agent market knowing you're under budgetary constraints.

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Speaker 1: See the draft process with the lingering COVID restrictions. No

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Speaker 1: combine perfect example of that. And right now out in

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Speaker 1: on is managing the restricted cap, and that's really no surprise.

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Speaker 1: I think that deals with the hard dollars and cents

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Speaker 1: of well, you can't fire guy both talent and free

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Speaker 1: wi FID valuable talent and free agency if you can't

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Speaker 1: manage your cap. Right. Um, so that and and I

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Speaker 1: think the two point six people about the draft process

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Speaker 1: with cover restrictions, nobody cares about guys they don't know well,

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Speaker 1: I mean basically true. And I think I think the

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Speaker 1: concerns they are also minimized by the fact that this

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Speaker 1: team and its personnel department has drafted pretty well under

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Speaker 1: this current regime. And so I think they figure, well,

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Speaker 1: there are ways around it. And let's not forget last

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00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: year they had to adjust the Yeah, they're at the combine.

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Speaker 1: They're at the combine, the combines wrapping up, and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, NFL clubs have to pull their scouts

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Speaker 1: off the road. No, no, no, you can't. They were

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Speaker 1: only like two pro days that were held last year

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Speaker 1: was was bad? Only held two pro days this year?

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Speaker 1: You just got scrapped comin this year. You can see

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Speaker 1: it coming and they could prepare and they've also been

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Speaker 1: through it once this year. Um, last year was more

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Speaker 1: difficult year. I would argue it was because you know,

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Speaker 1: you're looking for those last few measurables. Maybe you got

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Speaker 1: some numbers you don't have right, you know, official yet

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Speaker 1: with your own eyeballs and your own stop watch or

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Speaker 1: what else. I mean our I mean, our Bills fans

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Speaker 1: answer our poles. So they're talking about Bills are drafting

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Speaker 1: thirtieth this year. You kind of expect a little bit

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Speaker 1: less of an impact than picking in the top ten,

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Speaker 1: and you know, you know, nailing it is less critical

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Speaker 1: than if you're picking in the top ten. It's still critical,

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Speaker 1: but the magnitude of the draft choice. Right when you

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Speaker 1: got a team like the Bills seem to have, and

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Speaker 1: certainly they've got some holes to fill because of free

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Speaker 1: agency and all that, like like a normal off season

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Speaker 1: and the draft, you don't know how important the draft

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Speaker 1: picks are gonna be even until you find out who

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Speaker 1: you can sign in free agency. Yeah, So that's so

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Speaker 1: it's hard for this pole to you know, to be

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Speaker 1: anything but about the at this point, particularly at this

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Speaker 1: point of the offseason where it's front and center. Although

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Speaker 1: I will say that Rachel, who's first up on the

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Speaker 1: tweet sheet here, has an interesting perspective. She says, I

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Speaker 1: think improving the D line is going to be hard.

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Speaker 1: We don't have the cap space to sign a superstar

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Speaker 1: free agent with a big contract, and it'll be hard

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Speaker 1: to draft a player at number thirty who will make

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Speaker 1: an immediate impact. We may have to just hope that

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Speaker 1: the players we already have can step up. That's the

646
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: decision that basically this front office and coaching staff is

647
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Speaker 1: faced with because Rachel's right, they don't have the money

648
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: to sign a superstar free agent. So it may, as

649
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: we've discussed on this show, already, be a situation of

650
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Speaker 1: cap dollars out so you can get cap dollars in

651
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Speaker 1: with a player that you covet on the free agent market.

652
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Speaker 1: So it might mean, because we've said this before, six

653
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Speaker 1: of the top eleven salaries on this roster are on

654
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Speaker 1: defensive linemen. So if you want to add another one

655
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Speaker 1: that you think is going to help you, you're probably

656
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Speaker 1: gonna have to subtract from that room as well. Ust

657
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: you already got a full compliment or defensive lineman now

658
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Speaker 1: that you're paying pretty well, you don't have any offensive

659
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: lineman or but so what do you think, what how

660
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: would it make Bill's fans in general feel to bring

661
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Speaker 1: back almost identical defensive line lineup that you ended the

662
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: season with over like a lead balloon. Well, Trent Murphy's

663
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Speaker 1: not going to be there, correct. Other than him, everybody's

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Speaker 1: under contract, yeah, pretty much, but your offensive line, you

665
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Speaker 1: you really have to spend some resources there. Yes, and

666
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Speaker 1: you see there the guys under contract is Jerry Hughes,

667
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Speaker 1: Mario Addison, a Japaneza, Daryl Johnson, Mike Love, Brian Cox,

668
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Speaker 1: and then Quentin Jefferson, Vernon Butler, at Oliver Harrison, Phillips,

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Speaker 1: Justin Zimmer Starlo to Lele of course Brandon Bryant, who's

670
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Speaker 1: a guy who they signed to a futures contract. So

671
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Speaker 1: they're losing one guy off the group, and that's Trent Murphy, right,

672
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Speaker 1: and you got Starr coming back, who wasn't part of

673
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Speaker 1: the equation last year. So if you stand pat, I

674
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: don't think that's going to go overwell with the fan base,

675
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: Not that that's their primary concern, but if they go unchanged. There,

676
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Speaker 1: you're basically saying, we believe the group will get better

677
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: in year two than they were in year one, to

678
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Speaker 1: the point where we don't think we have to make

679
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Speaker 1: any changes. Now. They'll probably have some undrafted free agents

680
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Speaker 1: and maybe a draft choice or two that comes in

681
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: in the form of a cheap labor deal. But you

682
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: stick with what you got and just are of the

683
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Speaker 1: belief that it's going to get better. It's a risk.

684
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: It's a risk, So too is stirring the pot and

685
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: shuffle in the deck. You know, because you did that

686
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: last offseason. You went heavy on signing defensive lineman in volume,

687
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Speaker 1: and the mix didn't work as well as the mix

688
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: did the year before. So do you shuffle the deck

689
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: again and hope you get a better combination out there

690
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Speaker 1: on the field week to week, or do you leave

691
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Speaker 1: it alone and say another year on the job, they'll

692
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Speaker 1: be better. They had that, They had that philosophy two

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Speaker 1: years ago when they after the twenty eighteen season, when

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Speaker 1: Josh was running for his life the offensive line was

695
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Speaker 1: a mess. They came back with, like, you know, the

696
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Speaker 1: four News starters. Yeah, four News starters in like nine

697
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Speaker 1: thousand guys in training camp, and in the off season

698
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: they're running guys in and out of here. They had

699
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Speaker 1: a hole, they had a big roster of guys. They

700
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Speaker 1: ran in and through and through here and settled on

701
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: the one and they kind of they got a lot better,

702
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: as did Josh, and they went to the playoffs that year,

703
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Speaker 1: and then this last year when they honed it down

704
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: to an even finer point and got Darryl Williams on

705
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Speaker 1: the field who was not in and out of the

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Speaker 1: lineup with an injury. And even though the two guards

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Speaker 1: in the center, you know, they were shuffling those guys

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Speaker 1: around for the first half of the season. They played better.

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Speaker 1: They played better. Well, you got to do it again.

710
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: You got to do it again and see how many

711
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Speaker 1: you can bring back into the fold. Because that column

712
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: on the right is awfully long. I mean, it's half

713
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: of your group. It's half of your group. Yeah, so

714
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Speaker 1: that's where you're at. Billy on the tweet sheet says,

715
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Speaker 1: it's managing that cap all day long. I do think

716
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Speaker 1: a leads into be though, in terms of the choices

717
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: on the tweet sheet. He's talking about, you need to

718
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Speaker 1: find out what players you want to keep and structure

719
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: the caps. You can replace the players you lost with

720
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: good value in free agency now easy to say, much

721
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Speaker 1: harder to do and to execute, because you can create

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Speaker 1: all the cap space you want. If you can't convince

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Speaker 1: somebody to sign with you, especially when you're hoping to

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Speaker 1: get a good value and you're not and you set

725
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Speaker 1: a value where it is and you're not going to

726
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Speaker 1: overpay to chase somebody in land, um, you know, the

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00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: task becomes harder. Although I will say that the Bills

728
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: have a lot more cache now and being an attractive

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00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: place to play than four years ago. That is unquestionable

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Speaker 1: if if you know a player out on free agency

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Speaker 1: is looking for that, and like we've heard that JJ

732
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Speaker 1: Watt is. Certainly there's a shortlist of teams that you

733
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Speaker 1: got to think are going to be able to get

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Speaker 1: back to the deep into the playoffs, and it would

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Speaker 1: include Buffalo and Green Bay, Tampa Bay, the Chiefs, of course,

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Speaker 1: all the teams in the championship round. Although there's always

737
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Speaker 1: been one team that is in the Championship over there,

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Speaker 1: like four of the last five years, there's been a

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Speaker 1: team in the Championship round that has not made the

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Speaker 1: playoffs the next year. This last year it was San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: I believe they were in the Super Bowl and then

742
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Speaker 1: didn't get back to the playoffs. So there's always a

743
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Speaker 1: team like that you know you got to But if

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Speaker 1: you're looking for a team with a chance to win it,

745
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: there's some pretty usual candidates up there right now that

746
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: are in the JJ watt running right now. So that's

747
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Speaker 1: if you want to make your decision as a free

748
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Speaker 1: agent for the first time, not the first time, but

749
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Speaker 1: for the last. In recent memory, the Bills have become

750
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: a destination where they've got a really good reputation for

751
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: given a chance, paying them well and giving them and

752
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Speaker 1: letting them go if they do hit a home run. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you do earn your keep here and

754
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: I'll perform your one year contract, they give you full

755
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: license to try to maximize your value on the open

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Speaker 1: market if they feel you've earned it. Right. Did it

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Speaker 1: with Jordan Phillips, did it with Shack Lawson, and probably

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Speaker 1: going to do it with Matt Milano. And I think

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Speaker 1: that it goes deeper than that, because this coaching staff

760
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: in this organization will tell these guys up front, we're

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Speaker 1: here to help, and during that one year they're not

762
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Speaker 1: just using them up and throwing them to the curb.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to make them the best version of themselves.

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott said those exact words. You come here, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be the best version of yourself. That's a great

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Speaker 1: way to market yourself as an organization. And then after

767
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: it's over, the player leaving who's been the best version

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Speaker 1: of himself. Guys, you're gonna get the best contract you

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Speaker 1: can get. So there is some enticement here in Buffalo

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Speaker 1: that has not been here and it does not exist

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Speaker 1: in other places around the National Football League. And you

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Speaker 1: add that with this order back and this offense and

773
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: this team and this organization and this point in history

774
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: where they're really good and about to take another leap

775
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: or trying to take another leap, that's pretty enticing to

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Speaker 1: free agents out there. Would definitely think, particularly in a

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Speaker 1: flooded market where the money may not be that different

778
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: right there. And if it's a team that's willing to say, listen,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to sign a four year deal here,

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Speaker 1: tige a one, get yourself back in the market next year.

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Speaker 1: Break time for us. When we come back. More of

782
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Speaker 1: your comments on the tweet sheet, we'll take your phone

783
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: calls at eight O three five fifty as we are

784
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Speaker 1: asking you what you believe the biggest obstacle is for

785
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: the Bills this offseason, managing the cap, finding talent and

786
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Speaker 1: free agency at a budgetary price, or navigating this pre

787
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Speaker 1: draft process with the COVID restrictions that still exists. Your

788
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Speaker 1: calls and comments. Next, you're on one Bills Live presented

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Speaker 1: by a lot of health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome

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00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 1: back to Chris Brown's k chaster with you about ten

791
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Speaker 1: minutes away from talking to Hall of Fame head coach

792
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: Tony June will join us in the second hour of

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Speaker 1: the program. Be sure to stay tuned for that. But

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Speaker 1: right now, we want to get back to your comments

795
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Speaker 1: on the tweet sheet, which is asking what you feel

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00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: is the biggest obstacle for the Bills this offseason, and

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00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 1: Tiffany on the tweet sheet says, with the salary cap

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Speaker 1: being reduced and players exceeding their contracts, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be hard to resign them. Darryl Williams is a prime

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Speaker 1: example of a player that had an outstanding season and

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00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: deserves a hefty pay raise. Good tackles are hard to find.

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Speaker 1: And they command top dollar. Yeah, I mean tell us

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Speaker 1: something we don't know there. Darryl Williams is, I think,

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00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: very quietly one of the most important bringback candidates resigned

805
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: candidates on the Bill's free agent list. He also may

806
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: be a perfect example of what will be enticing to

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00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: another player. A guy came in one a one year deal,

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00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: played right tackle for a team that got to the

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00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: eight championship game, and now hits a home run. Financially right,

810
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: and so the next guy comes, let's me next. Well,

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Speaker 1: and much like Jarell Casey, he was coming off a

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Speaker 1: year where he had been dealing with major injuries, had

813
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Speaker 1: to have surgery in the offseason and had to get

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Speaker 1: himself right and came in here wisely on a one

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Speaker 1: year prove it deal and he proved it. Yeah, he'd

816
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: bet on himself and he won. And that's that's what players,

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00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think more guys should do if they

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Speaker 1: put in a position, I think more guys would do it.

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Speaker 1: A lot of guys just never get put in that

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Speaker 1: position where they have to bet on themselves. Some of

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Speaker 1: them are more unwilling to do it, and I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of them would. But in the market where

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Speaker 1: you've got two teams bidden against you, Why yeah, and

824
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Speaker 1: cash the check. All right. So that's the idea, And

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00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: as Stiffany said, offensive tackles are hard to find. Even harder,

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Speaker 1: you could argue this day and age when more of

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Speaker 1: the lineman coming out of college don't have a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of experience run blocking. They're in a two point

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Speaker 1: stance a lot. I mean, the game in the NFL

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Speaker 1: has unquestionably changed a great deal, but there are some

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Speaker 1: elements of offensive line play that are still in star

832
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: contrast to the way they're playing. In some respects, the

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00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: pro game has mimicked the college game because you know,

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Speaker 1: with the athletic quarterbacks from the great options, spread them

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Speaker 1: out and you know, go three wide, spread them out,

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Speaker 1: run the ball if you can or if you want to.

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Speaker 1: In other ways, there's still elements about the NFL game

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Speaker 1: that just the college can't pull off because they don't

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Speaker 1: have the the personnel or the wherewithal to make them work.

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Speaker 1: You know, So you'll always have that that element that

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00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: makes the pro game different than the college game most

842
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: of the time. At least at this point, it's closer

843
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: than it's ever been, but the difference still remains that

844
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Speaker 1: in the pro level, you got eleven guys out there

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Speaker 1: that can really go, Yeah, even a bad team against

846
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: a good team in the NFL, you got eleven guys

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00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: out there they can play that you don't always have

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Speaker 1: at the college left. The interesting thing with respected Darrell

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Speaker 1: Williams and John Feliciano, who I think most people would

850
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: argue are the two most important components of the free

851
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: agent contingent on the offensive line for the Bills in

852
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: terms of trying to get them back. Feel pretty good

853
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: about them getting one of those players back. Do you

854
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: think the odds are they get them both back? Because

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Speaker 1: I think you've got to You've got to create more

856
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: cap room if you're going to try to find a

857
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: way to get both of those guys back. And that's

858
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: not even counting Milano in the equation. I'm almost assuming

859
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: Milano hits the market and his price gets too steep

860
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: for the Bills to stomach. And I wonder what are

861
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: the odds of them getting Williams and Feliciano back in

862
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: the fold, I think it's slim. I think Feliciano said

863
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: he wants to come back. We saw more affordable of

864
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: the two. Quentin Spain wanted to come back last year.

865
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: Didn't work out ultimately, but he ostensibly took less money

866
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: and said he didn't even go out. He said, listen,

867
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: just sign the deal. I want to stay here in Buffalo.

868
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: And then he you know, he came back. He wasn't

869
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: ready to play and it cost him. Felicianos has said

870
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: he would like to stay in Buffalo. Well, we'll see,

871
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: but I think it's slim that they can sign both

872
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: those unless the roster changes, Unless they do start restructuring

873
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: and getting a lot more capsuleas and the happy cap

874
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: figures off the roster. Yeah, that's gonna be a tough

875
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: one break time for us. When we return. Hall of

876
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: Fame head coach Tony Dungee, who is also a member

877
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: of the forty eight panel of Hall of Fame selectors,

878
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: just part of that process for the first time is

879
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: past February, so we'll talk to him about that. Where

880
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: he sees the bills in the AFC landscape, among other

881
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: topics we wish to discuss with Tony Dungee. He's up

882
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: next here on One Bill's Live presented by a Lot

883
00:47:53,960 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: of Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio at a Steve Tasker,

884
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: who has been all over the fields kind of unique.

885
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: He was kind of a dual role player for you, Steve,

886
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: Steve a blimp. We're not even in the stratosphere of normalcy.

887
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: It is our number two of a Thursday edition of

888
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: One Bills Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker broadcasting from our

889
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: Seneca Studios in Orchard Park, New York and joining us

890
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: on the line right now, as promised the Hall of

891
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: Fame head coach himself, it is one Tony Dungee, who

892
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 1: is also now a member of the Hall of Fame

893
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: Selectors Committee. Coach, I guess congrats on that appointment, first

894
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: of all, and I'm very curious how you felt it

895
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: was to be a part of that process for the

896
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: first time this year. Well, it was quite an honor, Chris,

897
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: and it was really new for me. And I learned

898
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: a lot was sitting in those meetings and discussing players

899
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: and trying to go across eras and who deserved this

900
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,959
Speaker 1: and what this translated to. It was wonderful and hearing

901
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: about so many of these great players, many of whom

902
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: I knew, but some I didn't know. And it was

903
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of fun. Until that moment where they said, Okay,

904
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: now we have to vote. It was hard to eliminate people,

905
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: It really was. Yeah, and that's got to be the

906
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: most difficult part of it. And you know, did it

907
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: give you any sense that you wonder as you sat

908
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: there and listen to them debate. You got into the

909
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame just in twenty sixteen, and

910
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: you know that there was a conversation about you year

911
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: after year to get in. You wonder, you know how

912
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: that went. And it's got to be so gratifying that

913
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: it went in your favor, because I remember when I

914
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: was a kid, I was growing up. I wasn't that young,

915
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: but I remember it took you a long time to

916
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: be considering. We're gonna get into this topic in a minute.

917
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: It took you a long time to be considered for

918
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: a head coaching position, and then to get in as

919
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: a head coach had to be really gratifying. Plus to

920
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: see how much went into the conversation to make it happen. No,

921
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: it really was, and just a wonderful time. We're out

922
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: in San Francisco Super Bowl fifty. My son, who was

923
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: ten at the time, he wanted to go because He's like, Dad,

924
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're getting in. This is your year, this

925
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: is your year. And I'm talking to him, I'm saying, justin,

926
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: look at these twenty five guys. Now, who are we

927
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: not going to vote for? Who are you going to eliminate?

928
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: How are you going to get fifteen guys not in?

929
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: And it was just it was so difficult. And then

930
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: being on the selection committee this year, you see that

931
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: that there's twenty people that you could easily vote for

932
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 1: and put in, but you only get to vote for five.

933
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: So it's a tough, tough job. And I had more

934
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: of an appreciation for that now. Yeah, and obvious you've

935
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: got connections to at least that I know of, to

936
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: two of the inductees. Peyton Manning is the obvious one.

937
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: But how gratifying was it for you to get a

938
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: guy that you probably crossed paths with several times early

939
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: in your playing career, in Bill Nunn, to get him

940
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: in as a contributor. Well, i'll tell you what, that

941
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: was really really special. People don't really know the full story.

942
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: Bill Nunn was a sportswriter for the Pittsburgh Courier, which

943
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: was the African American newspaper in Pittsburgh. He wrote a

944
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: couple of blistering articles in the late sixties about the Steelers,

945
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: their lack of diversity, their lack of scouting, their lack

946
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: of bringing in all the talent that was available. And

947
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: Dan Rooney, at that time, to his credit, rather than

948
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: get upset and get mad or put up a stone wall,

949
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 1: he invited Bill to lunch and said, let's go to lunch.

950
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: Let's talk about why you're writing this. Why do you

951
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 1: think we're doing a bad job. And after that lunch,

952
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: Dan invited Bill to come to work for this, and

953
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: so he left the Courier became a scout for the

954
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: Steelers in the same year that Chuck Noll came. Well,

955
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, then you've got John Stalworth and ELC.

956
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: Greenwood and Mel Blunt showing up. And that's because Bill

957
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: Nunn took that first step into those historically black colleges

958
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: and universities. And it was a great marriage. But it

959
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: was Dan Rooney doing the right thing and saying, you

960
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: know what, rather than stonewall this, let me find out

961
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: if we can do something a little bit better. Coach,

962
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: what is the next step towards diversifying the head coaching

963
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: slot the general manager slot in the NFL. What is

964
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: a prudent and logical step that would help the process

965
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: and to help owners open their eyes perhaps two better

966
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: candidates are more a wide range of candidates. Well, I think, Steve,

967
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: we have to do one thing, and that's really encouraged

968
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: people to take their time. I remember when I got

969
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: the job in Tampa in nineteen ninety six. We weren't

970
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: in the playoffs that year. That was the one year

971
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: the Vikings weren't in the playoffs. I was the defensive coordinator.

972
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: I had three lengthy interviews with the brass of the

973
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers over about a month and it wasn't

974
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: until the end of January that I ended up getting hired.

975
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: And that was the only team that I was working on. Now,

976
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: I see some of these guys have five interviews over

977
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: one weekend, and you know, everybody's trying to get it

978
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: done so fast, and they're trying to talk to this

979
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: person and that person. I would tell these owners, take

980
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: your time. I go back to Indianapolis a couple of

981
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: years ago, and they thought they were going to get

982
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels, and it didn't work out, and so now

983
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: Jim Ursy had to basically start over after the whole

984
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: thing took place. And I remember talking to him on

985
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: the phone and said, I think the Lord has really

986
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: blessing you, Jim, take your time. You've got a couple

987
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: of people. One of them, I said, look at Leslie

988
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: Fraser and then also look at Frank Wich. These are

989
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: people that know our organization. They've been around there available,

990
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: take your time. He interviewed both of them, hired Frank Wich.

991
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: Frank becomes coach of the Year. They're a playoff team.

992
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: But that shows you you don't have to be the

993
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: first one to get a new coach. You don't have

994
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: to do it in a hurry. Take your time and

995
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: investigate the whole process, and you're gonna get good people.

996
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: Do you think the league could mandate perhaps that they

997
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: can't hire a new head coach until a couple of

998
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: weeks after the Super Bowl, because it always feels like

999
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: and it's a tough sell not to say, when the

1000
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: league is rolling along and you're sitting there without a leader,

1001
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: that you're falling behind somehow if you're changing head coach,

1002
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: if you don't get a guy that can start scouting

1003
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: the combine right or what you know? What I mean

1004
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: is it would it help the league if they mandated

1005
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: a grace period there. It would help the process and

1006
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: owners would feel frustrated. Just what you're saying, Oh, I've

1007
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: got to get my guy, our fans, what are we

1008
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: gonna do and we're gonna miss out on this. We

1009
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: don't have our guy in play for this scouting, we

1010
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: might not have staff. All those things you know, become issues.

1011
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: But really, if you think about it and say, hey,

1012
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: this is like the Patriots, this is gonna be a

1013
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: twenty year process. We're gonna have this coach for the

1014
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: next twenty years. Two weeks we can wait if we

1015
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: get the right guy, That's what you would hope, you'd think.

1016
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: But to be honest, Steve, what they're going to have

1017
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: to do is convinced the owners that, you know what,

1018
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: we've got to dig below the surface. There are so

1019
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: many good coaches out there. You really can get a

1020
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: good coach without doing a real thorough search. But to

1021
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: get the best coach for your situation and to investigate

1022
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: everything and be intentional, it really is going to take

1023
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: some time. And I look at this Super Bowl and

1024
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: you look at what Tampa did and what Todd Bowles

1025
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: did and what Byron Leftwich did. I'm sure if there

1026
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: were owners who saw those playoff games and saw the

1027
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, they might think, you know what, let me

1028
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: just take a look at Byron Leftwich heat. This offense

1029
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: really did come around, And maybe I want to pursue that,

1030
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: but so many of those decisions were made already. Yeah,

1031
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: and that's but the thing for me, coach is even

1032
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: the names that a lot of owners would recognize in

1033
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: terms of coaches of color, whether it is Leslie Frasier

1034
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: or Eric b Enemy, who's been talked about a countless

1035
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: number of times over the last four or five off seasons,

1036
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: these guys still can't get hired. And I think the

1037
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: biggest frustration is, at least from what we've heard in

1038
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: the interviews we've had, you know, with you know, whether

1039
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: it's former coaches or former players in the League of Color,

1040
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: it is that you see a thirty seven year old

1041
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: white man get a head coaching job in LA with

1042
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: the Chargers who is four years removed from coaching at

1043
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: the Division three level. And I'm not saying that Brandon

1044
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: Stalely isn't qualified. But they see that resume up against

1045
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: resume of Eric B. Enemies or up against the resume

1046
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: of Leslie Frazier's, and it's hard not to scratch your

1047
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: head and say, why is this the case? Well, and

1048
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: they get frustrated because we seem to be able to

1049
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: go outside the box when we want to, but we

1050
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: don't always go outside the box in other cases. We

1051
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: heard for a couple of years now, Eric B Enemy

1052
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: doesn't call the plays. Well, Frank Wright didn't call the

1053
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: plays in Philadelphia as an assistant coach either, and he

1054
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: turned out to be a pretty good coach. Matt Naggie

1055
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: didn't call the plays for Andy Reid. Doug Peterson went

1056
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. He didn't call the plays for

1057
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: Andy Reid. So why is it necessary that Eric B

1058
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: Enemy needs to call the plays? And then you'll hear

1059
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: while Byron left, which he's still young and he's only

1060
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: been a coordinator for a couple of years. He needs

1061
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: more seasoning. Well, Brandon Staley is a one year coordinator

1062
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: and he may do a fantastic job. So there's nothing

1063
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: wrong with looking outside the box. We just have to

1064
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: look outside the box for everyone and try to get

1065
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: the best person. And I think I hope fans will

1066
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: understand that because I know when I talk about this,

1067
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: people well a lot of times say, oh, you want

1068
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: quotas or you want X number of coaches. No, that's

1069
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: not what anybody's saying. But let's just pick the best

1070
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: coach and let's get the best people. If we do that,

1071
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: the game is going to be better. I got a

1072
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: question for you as well. You had a lot of

1073
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: experience as a head coach with two different organizations as well,

1074
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: and you were part of a staff for a bunch

1075
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: of different organizations. And we also hear about another important

1076
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: hire for organizations is the GM. And here in Buffalo

1077
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: we seem to have a crew that seemed to right

1078
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: on the page together. I mean, Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott,

1079
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: they look like they're killing it out there. What kind

1080
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: of relationship must there be between a head coach and

1081
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: a general manager? And what kind of relationship is the

1082
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: best way to have it? I mean, what do you

1083
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: have to have and what is just gravy that just

1084
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: adds to it. I'll tell you that that relationship is

1085
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: so important and you look at winning organizations. Let's go

1086
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: before Brandon Bean and Sean McDermot. Let's go back to

1087
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: Bill Polian and Marv Levy. Okay, they were together in Montreal.

1088
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: They had a great connection. They had a thought process

1089
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: of mind, how do we build a team? And they

1090
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: built that Buffalo dynasty together because they thought the same way,

1091
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: and that is so important. I was really blessed when

1092
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: I went to Tampa to work with Rich McKay. We

1093
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: were on the same page. We thought the same way,

1094
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: We had the same ideas about how to build it.

1095
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: Rich was a great listener. I kind of prided myself

1096
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: and being a good listener. And we grew together and

1097
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: we had a six year run that was really neat.

1098
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: Then I had the blessing to go to Buffalo and

1099
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: get the same thing. Bill Poland is there. How are

1100
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: we going to do this? And Bill used to laugh

1101
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: at me and say, oh, you're so much like Marv.

1102
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: But we had that connection and we thought the same way.

1103
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: And I can remember describe I being my defense to

1104
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: Bill and here's what we need. And it's a little

1105
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: different than other people. We can go with smaller players.

1106
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: We look for quickness. We're not gonna be two gapping,

1107
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna be exploding through one gap. So if guys

1108
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: are a little smaller, we can live with that. And

1109
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Bill comes back with Dwight Freeney

1110
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: and Robert Mathis and kato' june and Bob Sanders and

1111
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: guys who fit perfectly because he really listened to what

1112
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: I needed instead of just saying, well, we've always done

1113
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: it this way. We've had big guys and I like size. No,

1114
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: we blended it together and that's what it takes. So

1115
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: you have to be on the same page with that.

1116
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: I remember an interview I had early in my career

1117
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville with Wayne Weaver. He was the owner, and

1118
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: we talked and seemed like it went really well. He

1119
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: wanted the situation where one guy did it all, and

1120
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: he ended up hiring Tom Coughlin, who had been a

1121
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: head coach in Buffalo and wanted that role. And I

1122
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: told mister Weaver, that's not me. I'm a coach. I

1123
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: need a general manager that's going to look at the

1124
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: long term and look at everything and bring players to me.

1125
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: So I guess it can be done both ways, but

1126
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: I really think the best way is exactly what Bufalow has.

1127
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: There a coach and a GM on the same page,

1128
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: in the same thought process. Yeah, and it looks like

1129
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: coach and we're talking to Hall of Fame head coach

1130
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: Tony Dungee. It looks as though the Bills coach are

1131
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: focused on being in perennial contention. You know, oftentimes we

1132
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: see these teams in go for it mode, they break

1133
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: the bank and then for a year or two later

1134
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: they kind of have to pay the piper with respect

1135
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: to the cap or make cuts and tear their roster

1136
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: back down again. The Bills are trying to avoid that,

1137
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: but this restrictive cap is going to get in the

1138
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: way to a certain extent of maybe what their plans were,

1139
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: as I'm sure it is the case of a lot

1140
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: of other teams in the league. How do you kind

1141
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: of see this Bill's team on the AFC landscape right now?

1142
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: Obviously get into the AFC title game, but some tough

1143
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: decisions ahead for them, as well as a bunch of

1144
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: other teams there are, and everybody's going to that, and

1145
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: you have to decide, Hey, are we going to be

1146
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: in this for the long haul or are we only

1147
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: going to be in it to strike while the iron's hot.

1148
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: I'll give you a great example. Before our two thousand

1149
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: and six Super Bowl season, Bill Polian came to me

1150
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: Edger and James was a free agent. He had played

1151
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: tremendous football for us. He was up and Bill said,

1152
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: he's going to get a five or six million dollars

1153
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: deal from somebody. He deserves it. But if we do that,

1154
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: I can tell you right now, we will lose down

1155
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: the road. We're gonna lose Dallas Clark, Dwight Freeney, and

1156
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne. So we can do it and we can

1157
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: try to win this year, or we can let Edgerin go.

1158
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: We can resign those guys and we can draft a

1159
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: running back and it's a good year for running backs.

1160
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: We'll either get Maurice Jones, Drew or Joseph had died.

1161
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: And that was painful and for me as a head coach,

1162
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: Edd I've gone to war with him and I want

1163
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: him and he deserves to be here. But after I

1164
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: slept on it and Bill put it that way, I said,

1165
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: you know what, We've got to do the best thing

1166
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: for the team and we want to be good down

1167
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: the road also, so we didn't try to resign edgern.

1168
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: It played out exactly that way. We drafted Joseph. He

1169
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: played good ball for us. We won a Super Bowl

1170
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: that year, but for the next five or six years

1171
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: they were still a contender because we were prudent in

1172
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: what we did and it played out that way. So

1173
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: I think being on that same page talking those things

1174
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: through and then deciding, you know what, we're gonna have

1175
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: some painful decision and we might lose a guy that

1176
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: could help us get to a Super Bowl this year,

1177
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be better off for us three and

1178
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: four years down the road. One of the reasons the

1179
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: NFL stays so popular is it does evolve. It does change,

1180
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: and the game evolves. It's more of a college passing

1181
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: game now with athletic quarterbacks. It used to be like

1182
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: guys like Peyton Manning and Jim Kelly and Dan Marino.

1183
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: They didn't go anywhere, but now guys are running all

1184
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: over the yard, and so the game evolves. It's also

1185
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: evolving off the field and where you've got guys like

1186
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson and this quarterback environment we live in where

1187
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: you've got really high quality quarterbacks moving to new teams

1188
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, which you knew that it never happened.

1189
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: You couldn't get your hands on one of those guys.

1190
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: Now they're everywhere, right, you can. If you're willing to

1191
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: put together package, you can do it. What do you

1192
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: think about these guys like like a Russell Wilson now

1193
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: with a disgruntled vibe we're getting out of Seattle, Deshaun

1194
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 1: Watson and Houston. What do you think about the likelihood

1195
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: that the environment might get to a point where, like

1196
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: in the NBA, a great player can dictate his future. Well,

1197
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: I think that's always been the case to a certain extent.

1198
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: But we had those conversations and they kind of were

1199
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: kept private. Now with social media and internet, you know,

1200
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: it becomes public. Well. I had some conversations with Peyton

1201
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: Manning where he wasn't totally happy with the way everything went.

1202
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: But you know what, we worked it out. We talked

1203
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: it through. No one ever ever knew, and now you

1204
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: have that conversation and somehow the whole country knows. So

1205
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: that that's the difficult part. But I think when you

1206
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: have great players, and you have very very smart players,

1207
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: you're going to have those conversations, and the key is

1208
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: talking it through, getting it going, make sure everybody stays

1209
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: on the same page. But the salaries too, and the

1210
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: contracts right now, that's the thing that I see, you know,

1211
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: when you're seeing a Jared Golf and a Carson Wentz

1212
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: move with these gigantic contracts, and it's really more that

1213
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: than anything else that's kind of dictating the move. That

1214
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: that that's a little different landscape right now. Coach, I

1215
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: did want to kind of take advantage of your exposure

1216
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,919
Speaker 1: to Notre Dame football having done a couple of games

1217
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: with Mike Tarico, because I'm fascinated by this this linebacker,

1218
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: Jeremiah ousu co Romoa. I mean I was watching some

1219
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: of that Clemson game back and he's just all around

1220
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: the football all the time. Um, do you have a

1221
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: comp for him? Uh? Is he like that Isaiah Simmons

1222
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: kid at a Clemson last year? Is he that good

1223
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: of an athlete or because he just looks yea, I

1224
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: mean he looks put together. Man. He is special. He

1225
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: is a great, great player. He caught my eye very

1226
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: early doing the Notre Dame broadcast and I don't know

1227
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: that he's Isaiah Simmons in terms of just the off

1228
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: the chart athletics. But when I saw him. You know,

1229
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: the first name I thought of, Derek Brooks. Just a

1230
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: sideline who can play in space, who can play in

1231
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: the passing game, who's instinctive, He makes tackles all over

1232
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: the field, he can cover down the field, he can blitz.

1233
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: I just think he's going to be exactly what people

1234
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: are looking for in this wide open, fast paced passing

1235
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: game that the NFL is turning into. I like your

1236
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: comp better than mine, a Hall of Fame linebacker that

1237
01:06:58,400 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: So what are you? What are your what are your

1238
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: thoughts about the new environment we see quarterbacks? You know

1239
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: where you've got a guy like a Jimmy Garoppolo who

1240
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, even the even the club, And you're right,

1241
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: a lot of it is about the dissemination of information

1242
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: because these conversations have always been had, but they've been

1243
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: had behind closed doors. Now we kind of get an

1244
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: inkling that Jimmy Garoppolo is isn't making the San Francisco

1245
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: forty nine ers all that happy. We've seen Jared Goff,

1246
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: the team traded him, Matt Stafford, same thing. Uh, Tom

1247
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: Brady left New England. Uh. You know, it's a different

1248
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: environment in which we live. Is this um you know

1249
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that and what it's gonna

1250
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: mean to teams going forward where you may not have

1251
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: to wait until a generational player comes out in the

1252
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: draft like and Andrew Luck to get to get your guy. Yeah,

1253
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: it's really it becomes a combination of things, and it

1254
01:07:53,720 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 1: becomes ability with uh, kept stars, I guess and know

1255
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: Jared Goff takes a team to a Super Bowl and

1256
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: everybody's looking for that. So how two years later is

1257
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: Jared Goff not on your team? Carson Wentz was primed

1258
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: to take a team to a super Bowl, he got hurt.

1259
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: He was going to be the MVP of the league

1260
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: that year they won the Super Bowl, and he's not

1261
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: on your team. Nick Foles took you to that Super

1262
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 1: Bowl and won it, and he's not on your team.

1263
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: Garoppolo went to a Super Bowl when we were there, Steve,

1264
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: if you had a Super Bowl quarterback, he's going to

1265
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: be your guy until he falls apart and hopefully you

1266
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: bring another guy in. So, uh, it's a different environment.

1267
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: But now all of a sudden, well, yeah, Jared Goff's

1268
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 1: really good, but is he worth twenty seven million dollars

1269
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 1: to our cap charts? So let's let's work on getting

1270
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: the next person in here. And I really think that

1271
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: has become the driving force. And it's unfortunate because now

1272
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,719
Speaker 1: you either have to live up to that big contract

1273
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: or you're trying to get that big contract. And if

1274
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,839
Speaker 1: I can't get it from the team that I'm at,

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01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 1: let me get it from the next thing. Last one

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Speaker 1: for a me coach. We're talking about quarterbacks, we might

1277
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: as well talk about the one here in Buffalo in

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01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, who took what many people considered an unprecedented leap,

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01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: particularly in accuracy, in raising that completion percentage almost twelve

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01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: percent in a single season, which doesn't even seem fathomable

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01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: when you go through the history of quarterbacks. That accuracy

1282
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: is kind of that Bell Cow statistic that a lot

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01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: of scouts and front office execs rely on heavily, and

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01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: he kind of bucked that trend in a big way.

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01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: There are some who feel his physical attributes make his

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01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: ceiling virtually limitless. I'm curious as to what you feel

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01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: his ceiling is now after witnessing the season he just

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01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: put together. Well, I'm really a Josh Allen fan. I'm

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01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: close with Leslie Fraser and Leslie has told me from

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01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, this guy is just going

1291
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: to get better and better and better. His players love him,

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01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: he's got skills. He does things in practice that you

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01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: should see. So I witnessed all that from Leslie. But

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01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I think has happened with him.

1295
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: It's kind of what the Colts did with Peyton Manning.

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01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, they're putting building blocks around him.

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01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: So now you've got not only Josh Allen, but Stefan Diggs,

1298
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: and then you've got Dawson Knox and just more guys

1299
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: who are playmakers. So maybe he's gotten more accurate. I'm

1300
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: sure he has, as he knows where to throw the ball.

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01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: But you also have guys who are getting open, and

1302
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: guys who are tough to cover, and guys who demand

1303
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: double coverage and make it easier for the other guys.

1304
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: So I think the cast of characters that they have

1305
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: around Josh is helping him as well. And I think

1306
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: this is an offense that's going to be very difficult

1307
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: to defend for the next ten years. Last one for me,

1308
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: coach your guy, your Indianapolis Colt, the franchise you won

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01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: your Super Bowl with, traded for Carson Wentz. They bring

1310
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: him over and you have an intimate knowledge of their

1311
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: head coach, Frank Reich, as do I. He's been a

1312
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: friend of mine for thirty years, and I think without question,

1313
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 1: he's got a solid, well thought out plan about how

1314
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is going to return to form. What are

1315
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that? And for the playoff game that

1316
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: we had here in Buffalo, I thought that Colt team

1317
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 1: was as well coached as any team they faced this year,

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01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:29,879
Speaker 1: and they seem well rounded that they've got a window

1319
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: here that Carson Wentz could really help them push through.

1320
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: I think we're going to see the best of Carson

1321
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: Wentz for a couple of reasons. Number one, he's going

1322
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: to a place that has a very good defense, and

1323
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: the defense when they're ahead, they're even tougher, so that's

1324
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 1: a plus. He's got some excellent running backs. They had

1325
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 1: a couple of injuries this year, but those backs will

1326
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 1: be back. He's got a very good offensive line and

1327
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: some playmakers. But the biggest thing he's got is and

1328
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: you mentioned it, Frank Reich as the coach. Frank knows

1329
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. Frank also knows how to get the best

1330
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 1: out of quarterbacks. He played in a system where he

1331
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: played behind Jim Kelly. You guys did a lot of

1332
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: the same things when Frank went in, but everything was

1333
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: tailored to what Frank could do when he played. It

1334
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: was tailored to what Jim could do when he played.

1335
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,759
Speaker 1: And that's how Frank does it. So if Nick Foles

1336
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: is in there, we're gonna run the same offense, but

1337
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be styled a little different way, and I

1338
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: think he's going to get the best out of Carson Wentz.

1339
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: I think there's protection there, there's running game, and there's

1340
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: playmaking receivers. I just think, you know, watch out for

1341
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: the Colts next year. Coach, appreciate all the time and

1342
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 1: the insight and the expertise. That's a big reason why

1343
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: you're on that Hall of Fame committee in my eyes.

1344
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 1: So thanks for that. Appreciate a gift, Coach, really appreciate you.

1345
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: Say hi to my man, Coach Fraser, and I'm always

1346
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: pulling for the for the Bills. We will do that.

1347
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: We will do that for sure. Thanks coach again for

1348
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: the time. We appreciate it. That's Hall of Fame head

1349
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: coach Tony dun't you joining us here? Okay, NFL treasure,

1350
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: isn't he He's a treasure. There's al Yeah, he's like

1351
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: a little bit like Markle is a little bit Mark.

1352
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 1: They're kind of treasured by the people who played for

1353
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: him and played with him and who interact with him

1354
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. And he's like, I, you know,

1355
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to ask him about that whole

1356
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame selection process. To be selected by that

1357
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: group and then to completely do a one eighty and

1358
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: now be part of the group picking people, that's just

1359
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: a really unique perspective. There aren't many there's four guys

1360
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 1: and the four people in the Hall of Fame that

1361
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: are on that committee, um, that have ever done so

1362
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: that's a really really unique perspective. And as you can

1363
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: see us talking to him and the kind of guy

1364
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: is and his insights, and it's a it's a testament

1365
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: to the kind of human being he is to be

1366
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: asked to do those kind of things. That's it's a

1367
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: special gift to peep in out of a to be

1368
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: pulled out of a group that is already special. Well, well,

1369
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: he recognizes the importance of it, the gravity of it,

1370
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: the magnitude of it, because he has a respect not

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01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 1: only for the game, but the history of the game

1372
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 1: as well. And not for nothing. The guy knows about

1373
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: five decades of history of the league having been part

1374
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I played coached and you know now

1375
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: commentates on it and as a part of the selection

1376
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: process for the best guys ever. Um. And he also

1377
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: interestingly enough, he acknowledges how difficult it is, yeah, to

1378
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: pick those guys and to and to hash it out.

1379
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: That was a great story about Bill Nunn too, for

1380
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: the I mean I knew he had worked for the

1381
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: Steelers as a long time scout and mind those historically

1382
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: back colleges to get talent for the Steelers that a

1383
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: lot of other teams in the league were looking at, um,

1384
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: but I didn't know the story about how he got

1385
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: hired by Dan Rooney, which is fantastically what the Rooney

1386
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: family that and I Dan was He was an old

1387
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: guy when I was playing, and I spoke to him

1388
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 1: briefly a couple of times as a broadcaster as well,

1389
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: just to you're talking about the cigar room. No, that

1390
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: that that was his dad, his dad, that was Art. Yeah,

1391
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: Dan is the younger son who was who was the

1392
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 1: because now we have Dan was the ambassador. Dan was

1393
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 1: the assador to Ireland for a minute, right, and Dan

1394
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: his son is now Yeah, yeah, okay, I've got the

1395
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: family tree in line. They're great, straight man. They they listen.

1396
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: If you want a textbook on how to hire a

1397
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: head coach, go to the Rooney school, because they they

1398
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: seem to do a right three since nineteen sixty nine three.

1399
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody. I mean, I think Dallas might

1400
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 1: come the closest to that kind of longevity. And that's

1401
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 1: only because they had Landry for twenty something years. Yeah

1402
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:38,759
Speaker 1: at three and all of them won a Super Bowl

1403
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: and went to most by the way, Yeah, you can

1404
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: just learn so much. I told I've told her a

1405
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 1: million times. I asked him what you know because he

1406
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: got Mike Tomlin and he's going to the super Bowl

1407
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: and like again and I'm like, mister Rooney, how do

1408
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,719
Speaker 1: you what's your deal? How do you choose these guys?

1409
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 1: And he's shrugged, He goes, yeah, are the smartest guy

1410
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: you can find. Do you support him till he figures

1411
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: it out? Yeah? And I was like, yeah, simple but

1412
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 1: not easy. Yeah, that's a Marv Leva is quota. He's right.

1413
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: But they had the courage to do it through tough times. Yeah,

1414
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 1: I'll tell you an example when they did some smart stuff.

1415
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: They extended Bill Kaer after they hired him. They extended him.

1416
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 1: After he went five and eleven, they extended him. Then

1417
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: you get a better deal. He's happy to sign it

1418
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: because he wants you know, it's gonna be tough. Now.

1419
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: That guy is gonna go even harder for you. Right

1420
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: right after five and eleven season, you get an extension.

1421
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: That's that's courage as an owner. That's courage. It's something.

1422
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: It's something. Yeah, good conversation with coach Dundee. We'll do that.

1423
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: I'd do that any day of the week. I mean,

1424
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 1: you know how much I just soaked up in the

1425
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 1: last twenty minutes on football from that guy. Oh my gosh.

1426
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: He could talk for three hours and I would sit

1427
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: there and listen and it wouldn't even feel like a

1428
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: long time. I said it when I said goodbye him,

1429
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: I say it was a gift. It was a real gift.

1430
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: Come on, he's great, So good getting Jay on that

1431
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: Chang Hi. We have to take a break, but when

1432
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 1: we return, we're gonna get back to the tweet sheet

1433
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 1: and your phone calls at eight oh three, five fifty

1434
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: as we are asking you what you feel is the

1435
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:15,759
Speaker 1: biggest obstacle for the Bills and their offseason plans. Choices

1436
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: are there at one Bills Live. We'll get your comments

1437
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 1: next when we return here on Buffalo Bill's Radio. Back

1438
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: to one Bills Live. Second half of the show underway

1439
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,600
Speaker 1: here on a Thursday. Chris Brown, Steve Chasker with you.

1440
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: And there are some more developments in the quarterback landscape,

1441
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 1: as the ESPN's Adam Schefter is reporting the following on

1442
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Seahawk's quarterback Russell Wilson has not demanded a trade.

1443
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: According to his agent, Mark Rogers, Wilson has told the

1444
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: Seahawks he wants to play in Seattle, but if a

1445
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: trade were considered, the only teams he would go to

1446
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: who are as follows, Cowboys, Saints, Raiders, Bears. I like

1447
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: the sound of that because none of them are in

1448
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: the air Ceast. Ever, Russell Wilson go play against Mahomes

1449
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: twice a season in Oakland. In Oakland, I'm still saying Oakland,

1450
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. As as we mentioned at the top of

1451
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: the show. Wilson has a no trade clause in his contract,

1452
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: so he does hold all the cards and where he

1453
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: would wind up, and those are apparently his preferences Cowboys, Saints, Raiders, Bears.

1454
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 1: So there it is. Well, all NFC teams. That lets

1455
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 1: me breathe a little bit easier. I'll say that. Yeah,

1456
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, with respect to the AFC East. So knock

1457
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 1: yourself out, Russell, Yeah, make it happen, russ yourself. I'm

1458
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 1: good with that. Whatever you want to do, buddy, as

1459
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:57,520
Speaker 1: long as it's not in this division. I am a okay,

1460
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: it's pretty I died about what coach Dungee had to

1461
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 1: say about that Notre Dame linebacker. I asked him about

1462
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 1: Jeremiah O Woosu. Yeah, I can't get the last name down. Yeah,

1463
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm still struggling with it. I gotta look at it

1464
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: to pronounce it right. Hold on. Jeremiah O Woosukamoa, junior

1465
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 1: linebacker out of Notre Dame. He is he is good

1466
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 1: on the hoof. I'm just gonna say that. It's a

1467
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: nice one from Ross Tucker's. He says this, and that's

1468
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: would you what would you do? Would you? And this

1469
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: is the extremism of our social media environment. If it's

1470
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: one or the other, do you fire Pete Carroll or

1471
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: trade Russ Wilson? Which do you do first? Oh? Because

1472
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: Pete Pete seventy. Yeah, that's a pretty good question. Well

1473
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: who would you rather? Who has? Who has? Well, it's

1474
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 1: not would I rather it's what's best for the team.

1475
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: And probably what's best for the team is to keep

1476
01:19:56,280 --> 01:20:01,440
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson on the field. Um, in terms of performance,

1477
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: but in terms of leadership. What's harder to replace. It's

1478
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: probably harder to replace a quarterback. I hate to say it,

1479
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: not in this environment. No, Well, you could trade Russ

1480
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: Wilson for Dak Yeah, I guess you could. I don't know.

1481
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Speaker 1: And listen for me, it's the choice is clear. It's

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01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: a head coach is more important. Okay, but tell me

1483
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: why though, because everybody plays under that guy, not just

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01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Yeah. And I guess if you move the

1485
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: if you move the coach, it's a signal to the

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01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 1: rest of the team that a player can swing more,

1487
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 1: bigger hammer than the cab. But even even if it's

1488
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: not a contentious relationship, you know, if you're just saying,

1489
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: like hypothetically in a vacuum where you're it's not this

1490
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: guy or that guy or whatever head coaches. If you

1491
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 1: don't hire that guy, right, everything goes down the tubes.

1492
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 1: You can win with a quarterback that's not great or

1493
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know, the Bills went

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01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 1: to the playoffs last you know, two years ago with

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01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, and he was a guy that people were

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01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 1: still doubting, you know, they were he was just you know,

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01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: and he was a little bit all over the map

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01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,679
Speaker 1: sixty percent or a little bit less than sixty percent

1499
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: completion and that kind of thing. You can win with

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01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 1: the guys like that. You can't win with a bad

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01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: head coach. You have no chance with a bad head

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01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: coach or the wrong head coach. I'll give you that.

1503
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 1: So it for me that that's the reason he's higher

1504
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 1: on the food chain is is because he's that important.

1505
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: I mean, think of the different guys, look at look

1506
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 1: at this organization over the twenty years of the dress,

1507
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: seventeen years of the drought. I mean, you you know,

1508
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 1: Rex Doug Marone, he never had the quarterback either. I

1509
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 1: could argue that, yeah, didn't have player development too. I

1510
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: mean so it's me. The head coach is way more

1511
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 1: important than the starting quarterback. That's why they're higher on

1512
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: the ARCT. That's why they're higher on the food chain,

1513
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: even if they're not making that much money as much

1514
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 1: money as the quarterback. They have more power in the

1515
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: organization period. And that's the reason you got you gotta get.

1516
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: If you get the head coach right, everything else to

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01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 1: take care of itself. Theoretically, anyway, a lot more things

1518
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 1: will take care of themselves. Let's go back to the

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01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 1: tweet sheet brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems. As

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01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: we've been asking you today, what's the biggest opts of

1521
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,839
Speaker 1: school for the Bills as they prepare to conduct business

1522
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 1: here in the off season. And Jack has an interesting

1523
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: answer because he's in the minority here says, I'm going

1524
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: with C, which was preparing for the draft amid COVID restrictions.

1525
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,719
Speaker 1: Teams that want to find cap space can and will

1526
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: being in company of showing a pension for finding good

1527
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 1: values on the unrestricted market, but not having the combine

1528
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: limited twenty twenty college film and the player opt outs

1529
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: will make it tougher to evaluate the draft talent, high

1530
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: bust potential in twenty twenty one. Yeah, it's harder to

1531
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: uncover all the unturned stones, right, And you get the

1532
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: feeling too. There's gonna be some teams that are gonna

1533
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: think really highly of a guy, and there are other

1534
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: teams they are gonna not think so highly of for

1535
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: whatever it will be the evaluation process. There'll be a

1536
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: wider disparity on grades this year, so you can have

1537
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: the normal think about it in in the most exaggerated

1538
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 1: case of that, you got a team trading up in

1539
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 1: the first round to get a guy where another team

1540
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 1: didn't even have him on their board kind of thing.

1541
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: That disparity is that extreme you think could help I'm

1542
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 1: making I'm exaggerating, maybe a third round grade or a

1543
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 1: guy who you know, you'd never think if he's you know,

1544
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:43,640
Speaker 1: it would take a long time for him to be

1545
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: the guy on your board. Right. There's always a disparity

1546
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 1: because what teams ultimately grade the player on is is

1547
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: this guy a fit for the Bills And he might

1548
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: be a fit for the Bills, but he might not

1549
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 1: be a fit for the Cardinals, And so the grades

1550
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: are going to vary because of that. But now the

1551
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: grades are also going to vary because of other variables.

1552
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 1: Number One, they might really like this guy, but we

1553
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: didn't get enough face to face time with him. We

1554
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: didn't get enough research done on his background, so we

1555
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 1: got to knock him down a little bit because we're

1556
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 1: not sure about that. Now. Most teams are going to

1557
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: do that, like we're presumably before the draft, but there

1558
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: might be a couple of guys that fall through the

1559
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:24,879
Speaker 1: cracks and they may not have a complete eval on somebody,

1560
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 1: or at least a second opinion, because a lot of

1561
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 1: times front offices and college scouting departments will send two

1562
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 1: scouts to see a guy, so they get two opinions,

1563
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 1: and they'll send different guys to different workout. The kids

1564
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 1: goes to the combine, then he goes to the has

1565
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: a pro day, which a lot of guys do. They'll

1566
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: send different guys to both or cross reference to their evaluation.

1567
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 1: What do you think of this? What do you think

1568
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 1: of that? And they'll get different opinions. They'll also talk

1569
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: to people at the combine and then at his university

1570
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: as well and see what cross reference those facts and

1571
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: those interviews as to who's telling the truth and what's

1572
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: the most accurate assessment so getting a look at a

1573
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,839
Speaker 1: guy from a different set of eyeballs is really crucial.

1574
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 1: And it's not going to be as easy to do

1575
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: this offseason like it wasn't last offseason. But I think

1576
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: you're right. I think the big question mark on our

1577
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 1: Twitter poll here is the disparity between the opinions about players.

1578
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: And I don't think these conversations really wait until draft

1579
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 1: day where you've heard the old scenario where the guy

1580
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 1: jumps on the tables. So, no, you gotta take this

1581
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: guy now, we gotta chance to get him right. You're

1582
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 1: not gonna you know that those conversations happen now in

1583
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: the run up to the draft. By the time the

1584
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 1: draft comes around, everybody knows your opinion so well. And

1585
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: the other element here too is let's think about this.

1586
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: What about the players that opted out in college this year? Yeah, like,

1587
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 1: you see a player, you got a player's junior tape.

1588
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: Oh man, this kid's on the comm I can't wait

1589
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: to see him senior year. You're you're projecting him to

1590
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: do a B and C in his senior season and

1591
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:07,600
Speaker 1: they don't even play. Yeah, now the projection and it's complicated.

1592
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: He's working out as some gym in West Texas or

1593
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 1: South Florida or the Panhandle of Florida and Oklahoma's he's

1594
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: out there working out on his own because he opted

1595
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: out and didn't go to school, and because he wants

1596
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: to be in the NFL. You let find you can't

1597
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: find the guy, let alone evaluate him. It's gonna make it.

1598
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 1: It's a tougher. It's a tougher. It was an inexact

1599
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 1: science to begin with that. I agree with Jack. The

1600
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 1: degree of difficulty has gone up precipitously. Not Yeah, it

1601
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 1: was never a science. It's more of an art, which

1602
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: why guys like Bill Nunn are so valuable. You know,

1603
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: you just you have a knack and you you know

1604
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,480
Speaker 1: you you have a way of doing things that is productive.

1605
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 1: And that's all all those processes and it's all out

1606
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: the window in years like last year and this year.

1607
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 1: Ye all right, well because last year, last year, at

1608
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 1: least they had tape on these guys, they had tape.

1609
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 1: They did the combine, so they got the top three

1610
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: hundred season sixty in person interviews, you know what I mean.

1611
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 1: Like the Senior Bowl was the only guy where the

1612
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: only place where they had face to face interview time,

1613
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 1: everything else is going to be zoom. Which, okay, you're

1614
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: still getting a field for the kid, but he's not

1615
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: walking around your facility all day. He's not meeting twelve

1616
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 1: different people. The guy that drives him to and from

1617
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: the airport doesn't give any intel on how polite he

1618
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: is with people carrying his bags to the van. You know,

1619
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 1: all that stuff. It doesn't sound like much, but it

1620
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,759
Speaker 1: all gets added. Absolutely you find out that's all gone.

1621
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: You find out if it's real. You know, if if

1622
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 1: the kid is being a put on good guy or

1623
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 1: if he is a good guy, and you got to

1624
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: live with your results. And this it's almost like one

1625
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: of the when you're talking we're talking about it like

1626
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 1: this in this conversation, you almost think, like, you know what,

1627
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 1: let's trade some draft pickscause we don't know if we're

1628
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 1: gonna get anybody. We can't even tell if these you know,

1629
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: we're not really sure about particularly drafting thirtieth. We drop

1630
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 1: a number one pick here and get this guy or

1631
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: that guy on free agency or before they go to

1632
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: free agency, or from this other team. I like it better,

1633
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, you might at least we know what we're

1634
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: gonna have. The draft was never a sure thing to

1635
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 1: begin with. It's even less so in this unique pandemic

1636
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 1: restricted season. I've never done a study on it, but

1637
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people talk about how successful

1638
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 1: teams are in the draft as a whole. Usually it's

1639
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 1: a coin flip. It's fifty fifty at best. Right, So

1640
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 1: if you hit on half half your draft pick. You

1641
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:30,560
Speaker 1: got seven draft picks, you're gonna hit on three and

1642
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: a half. So that's how exact it is. Right, You're

1643
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: gonna hit on three and a half guys they likened.

1644
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 1: I've I've had veteran personnel executives in this league tell

1645
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: me that success in the draft is a lot like

1646
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: a successful batting average in baseball. If you're if you're

1647
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 1: a batting four hundred, you are outstanding, right, you know

1648
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:54,759
Speaker 1: what I mean? So plus if you're it also helps

1649
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: if you're consistently in the top ten. Well, right, but

1650
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: they're a miss? Is there too? Right? There are? But

1651
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 1: that those are guys And I'll say this again, when

1652
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 1: you get in the first round, in the top half

1653
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: of the first round in the NFL draft, when you

1654
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 1: walk into a room, those are the guys you think, Wow,

1655
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: I wonder who that guy is. Yeah, well you don't

1656
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 1: even It could be any room and you're thinking, wow,

1657
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 1: who who is that guy? Because they stand out physically,

1658
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: they're big, athletic, looking, tall, all of that. I mean,

1659
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 1: they check all the physical boxes. That's what those guys

1660
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 1: are like. So that's why teams do that because they

1661
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: don't want to miss. At least they get something right. Yeah,

1662
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 1: they can look and say, well, even if he's even

1663
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: if he's a moron, at least he runs fast, right,

1664
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: I mean the guy, the guy can't remember what he's

1665
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 1: right from his left. But man, if you turn, if

1666
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: you can just have somebody points stand there and then

1667
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 1: chase the ball, you're ahead of the game. Right, He's

1668
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 1: that good. That's that's it. At least you got that

1669
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: going for you, right. That's why those guys are the

1670
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 1: top half of the draft are like that. Yeah, you

1671
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 1: gotta check off some elite boxes. Then, yes, yes you

1672
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 1: do break time for us. But good tweet by Jack

1673
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 1: that sparked a whole conversation here, look at that. We're

1674
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 1: back with more more of your tweets, and there is

1675
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 1: a memo coming out, well not a memo, but there's

1676
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,679
Speaker 1: a note coming out about NFLPA Executive Director de Morris

1677
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 1: Smith and what he said to agents today about maximizing

1678
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 1: dollar value in the free agent market this spring in

1679
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 1: a restrictive cap situation. We'll bring that to you next

1680
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 1: here on One Bill's Live, presented by Kalid to Health.

1681
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 1: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to One Bill's Live.

1682
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 1: Close Enough hour number two of the show. Here Alan

1683
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: number three coming your way with some comments from GM

1684
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean. It was on the Chris Collinsworth podcast earlier

1685
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 1: this week. We're going to bring some of his more

1686
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 1: appointed comments to you and including a timetable on a

1687
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 1: Josh Allen extension among other things. So some interesting comments

1688
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 1: from Buffalo's general manager. Will bring those two in the

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Speaker 1: third hour of the program. Got a few minutes here

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Speaker 1: to discuss this from NFL Networks Tom Pella, Sero Steve

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Speaker 1: and a virtual He reports the following. In a virtual

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Speaker 1: meeting today, NFLPA Executive Director Demorris Smith implored agents for

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01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: free agent players at the same positions to collude and

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01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 1: increased leverage in contract talks given the drop in the

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01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: salary cap. The cap will be at least one hundred

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01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 1: eighty million per club in twenty twenty one. As we know,

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01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 1: it was one ninety eight point two in twenty twenty.

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01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Colluding agents colluding together,

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01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: presumably to give each other the four one one on

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01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 1: what the going rate is for a free agent tight

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01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 1: end who had sixty recent last year. There's a lot

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01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 1: of layers. And I don't know what it's like to

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01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:04,679
Speaker 1: be an agent. I really don't. I couldn't. I couldn't

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01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 1: tell you what happens behind the scenes because every agent

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01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 1: be cutthrow business though, right, I would think, But it's

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01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: an it's an independent contract or business, so it's not.

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01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 1: They're not under the same constraints as NFL ownerships and

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01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 1: league officials are. They can talk to each other, how

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01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 1: much do they trust each other? And how much will

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01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 1: there be self serving? I mean, don't they have an

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01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 1: obligation that if if they're gonna communicate to another agent

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01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:35,759
Speaker 1: on it with another player who's at the same position

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01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 1: as his player, isn't the under obligation to do what's

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01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 1: best for his client, whether it's misleading information or flat

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01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 1: inflating of numbers on a contract offer. But yeah, I

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01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 1: will say this, though most really quality agents won't lie

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01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 1: to them because they know they're gonna find out. The

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01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 1: truth's coming out, right, So if you're gonna lie, you're

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01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 1: gonna you gotta know you're lying, and you're gonna get

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01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 1: found out lying because when the contracts come out and

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01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna say, well, we got this offer and this

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01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 1: offer and you signed for less than that. Yeah, what

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01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 1: the hell, dude? You re lying to me? So they

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01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 1: know they're gonna get find out found out. So if

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01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 1: they there's that out there, as we get it, and

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01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,600
Speaker 1: I would be sus if there's agents out there, if

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01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 1: I'm a friend of yours and we've been working together,

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01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 1: we've had like we started out together with a firm

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01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 1: and now we're off on our own with each our

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01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: own thing. Wouldn't you come back and say, listen, here's

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01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 1: my deal, And wouldn't you already be doing that if

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01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: it benefits your client stent. Maybe he's just impressing upon

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01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 1: them that it's even more important to do that this

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01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 1: offseason because of the lower cap and you got to

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01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: try to squeeze these teams for as much as you

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01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:48,719
Speaker 1: can to you know, put your players in a maximum

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01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 1: earning potential situation. I don't know. It seems like a

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01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 1: difficult thing to pull off here, because I mean that

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01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 1: first wave of free agency things happened too fast to

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01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 1: be calling extra people to say hey, by the way,

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01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 1: I just wanted to let you know, or even a text.

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01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. And I think most of

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01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 1: those agents would not be interested in texting, because now

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01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 1: there's a record of what you told the guy, right,

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01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 1: or if you just talk on the phone with them. Oh, no,

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01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 1: didn't I said nine, not ten in a year nine,

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01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 1: That's what I told you. I said eight, nine, not nine. Yeah,

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01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: I said, you know whatever. Yeah, no, I don't know

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01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 1: if it's gonna work. It's a nice ask, but and

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01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: also it's a little condescending. Yeah, And I'm sure he's

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01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:39,640
Speaker 1: not thrilled that that got out too, because now the

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01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 1: league sees that like agents are like agents are all written.

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01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, yeah, like they're not smart enough

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01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 1: to think, wow, I wish I could have you know,

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01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 1: I wish I could find that out. Yeah. And how

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01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 1: different is it is it that Russell Wilson's agent put

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01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 1: out there, well, you know, if a trade weren't happen,

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01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 1: he'd be interested in the Cowboys Saints, Raiders, and Bears

1759
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 1: tell him he's not prompting them to lob a phone

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01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 1: call out to Seattle. That's hey, come on, that's how

1761
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 1: greasy that industry is. Yeah, you know it gets dicey

1762
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 1: in a hurry. Break time for us. When we come back,

1763
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna share some comments with you from Bill's general

1764
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 1: manager Brandon Bean, who talked Josh Allen contract extension. Talked

1765
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 1: about a young player on the roster he's excited about,

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01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 1: along with some other things including establishing super teams in

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01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 1: the NFL and if it's possible similar to the way

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01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 1: the NBA doesn't. We'll get to all of that next.

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Speaker 1: Here on One Bill's Live, presented by Collot of Help,

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01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 1: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. Hello, Bill's Radio Network Sports Your

1771
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 1: sports update from One Bill's Drive. All eyes on JJ

1772
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 1: Watt and his potential next team. Some good news for

1773
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:02,200
Speaker 1: Bills fans at for now. According to John Clayton, the

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01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 1: three strongest candidates to land Water or the Bills, Titans,

1775
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 1: and Packers playing eliminated the Steelers from the equation and

1776
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 1: named the Raiders as a dark horse team. Meanwhile, Espnzana

1777
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,759
Speaker 1: Rassinia reported that Watt has received offers from several teams,

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01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:16,679
Speaker 1: but the best offer has been a deal worth between

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01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 1: fifteen and sixteen million per year. Why he didn't jump

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01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 1: on it and sign it already is beyond me. While

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01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 1: that might be the best offer, that doesn't mean it's

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01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 1: the one Watt will take. After all, the thirty one

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01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 1: year old is looking to play for a contender, as

1784
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: possibly he could take less money to join the club.

1785
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 1: News emerged following Tom Brady's seventh Super Bowl victory that

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01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 1: he would undergo offseason knee surgery. Ben Voland and The

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01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 1: Boston Globe reported brady surgery is more than just a

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01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: little cleanup, but head coach Bruce Arians indicated that Brady

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01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 1: should be all right well before the start of the

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01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 1: regular season, expecting him to be participating in drills by June.

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01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 1: We also have some news on the Russell Wilson front,

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01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 1: though he has not formally asked for a trade by

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01:36:56,280 --> 01:37:00,000
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. If a trade were to come to fruition

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01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 1: and he would only accept four possible destinations, those being

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01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 1: the Raiders, the Bears, the Saints, and the Cowboys, Wilson

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01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 1: does have a no trade clause in his contract. The

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01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 1: LA County Sheriff says Tiger Woods was not drunk during

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01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:19,879
Speaker 1: the roll over that seriously injured the golf superstar Tuesday,

1799
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 1: saying the single vehicle crash was purely an accident, and

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01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:25,839
Speaker 1: after being on the road for seven days, the Sabers

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01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: return home tonight to face a familiar team, The new

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01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 1: Jersey Devils. Head coach Ralph Krueger had Jeff Skinner with

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01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:34,480
Speaker 1: the Taxi squad at this morning's pregame skate, an indication

1804
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 1: that Skinner will again be a healthy scratch for the

1805
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 1: third consecutive game tonight. That is your sports update from

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01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 1: One Bill's Drive. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you our

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01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 1: number three of the Thursday edition of the show, and

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01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 1: we want to get to some interesting comments made by

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01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 1: Bill's general manager Brandon Bean, who appeared on the Chris

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01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 1: Collinsworth podcast featuring Richard Sherman. That's a you got to

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01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:01,200
Speaker 1: mention that every time you in. The podcast by Chris

1812
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:05,679
Speaker 1: collins Worth features Richard Sherman. Richard Sherman, but he appeared

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01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 1: on the podcast their podcast earlier this week had some

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01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 1: interesting comments on a number of issues, and we wanted

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01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 1: to pass some of those along to you here and

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01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 1: Steve and I will obviously comment on them as well.

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Speaker 1: And we begin with the Josh Allen contract extension. As

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Speaker 1: Steve and I have discussed on this show already, it's

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01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 1: a matter of when not if. Earlier this offseason, we

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01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 1: heard Brandon Bean say, I believe it was right on

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01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 1: gr on the Morning Show with Howard and Jeremy. He

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01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 1: said a contract extension could be done this offseason, even

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01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 1: with the restrictive cap, but they'd have to get a

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01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 1: little creative. On the Chris Collinsworth podcast, being said that

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01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 1: or he lad, I should say, he laid out the

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Speaker 1: timetable of how such an extension could come to fruition

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Speaker 1: in this calendar year. Here's what he said. We got

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01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 1: the update last week that so the cap is going

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01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 1: to be one eight. It may go on twenty two,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's still a much lesser cap.

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01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 1: We were all preparing for two ten to two fifteen

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01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 1: to kind of be the number for this year prior

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01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 1: to COVID, and so we definitely have some work to do.

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01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,600
Speaker 1: But Josh is a guy that we do believe in

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01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 1: and we would, you know, definitely take a look at

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01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 1: him later this offseason. You know, right now, we'll focus

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01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 1: on our upcoming free agents plus anybody we want to add,

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01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 1: and then the draft and generally, you know, what I've

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01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,720
Speaker 1: done here is look at guys to extend once we

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01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 1: get through the draft, see what our money is like,

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01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:40,679
Speaker 1: see how we could structure it to fit not only

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01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:43,599
Speaker 1: this year, but the years beyond. And I think one

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01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:45,559
Speaker 1: of the things that I'm gonna want to look at

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01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 1: is what are things looking like for this year. Let's

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01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: say in May, does it look like we're going to

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01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 1: have seventy five percent in the stands one hundred percent

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01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:56,160
Speaker 1: in the stands, and just try and see if we

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01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 1: can predict what next year's cap is going to be

1849
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 1: based on a new TV deal fans in the stands,

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01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 1: just to know how we would structure his deal if

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01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:08,640
Speaker 1: we were to do something this year. But we have

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01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 1: the fifth year option. If we can't make it work

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01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:13,040
Speaker 1: or we don't have a good clarity on the cap,

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01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:16,519
Speaker 1: we pick that up to protect us going into next season.

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01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 1: So essentially, what he's saying there is, yes, we're interested

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01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 1: in doing an extension with Josh, but we need some

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01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:25,240
Speaker 1: clarity on what the cap is going to be this year.

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01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 1: And then based on whether there'll be fans in the stands,

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01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 1: that will help us ascertain what the CAP's going to

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01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:32,559
Speaker 1: look like in twenty twenty two, and that will put

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01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:35,919
Speaker 1: them in a better position to construct a contract extension

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01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 1: that's fiscally responsible for the team, and obviously you know,

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01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:45,759
Speaker 1: is agreeable by Josh Allen and his agents. But Steve,

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01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're going to know about fan

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01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 1: attendance by May, because he said if we don't have

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01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:55,240
Speaker 1: clarity on it, we'll use the fifth year option, which

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Speaker 1: as we know, has to be exercised by May third.

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Speaker 1: What I hear in that is we love Josh. We're

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01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 1: gonna get to it. It's it's on our list, but

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01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,719
Speaker 1: we got some urgent stuff we gotta take care of first,

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01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:10,760
Speaker 1: and that's all it is. And we're going to ask

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01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 1: Josh to be patient, even if it comes to us

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01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 1: pushing it off and just taking picking up the fifth

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01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 1: year option and going as deep into this as we can.

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01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 1: We need as much clarity as we can. And he's right.

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01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 1: I mean, even Josh and his agents have got to

1877
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:25,640
Speaker 1: say he's right. You know, they gotta have because this

1878
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 1: is gonna be a this isn't gonna be a parking ticket.

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01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:32,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this is gonna be a big one. Yeah,

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01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 1: And so they're gonna have to have their their ducks

1881
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 1: in a real financially before they can attack it a

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01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 1: deal like this. And let's remember how Brandon Bean has

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01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 1: typically operated when he's handed out contract extensions to perceived

1884
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 1: cornerstone type players Dion as usually as he even said, there,

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01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 1: I wait till we get through the draft. Then I

1886
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 1: kind of assess the landscape. Who do we want to

1887
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 1: extend here? And they usually do it in August. That's

1888
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:01,160
Speaker 1: usually the month, right. A lot of that business happens

1889
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 1: right before White in August extended Deon Dawkins a short

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01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 1: time later. The season may have started already, but right

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01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season, Deon Dawkins extended the year.

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01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 1: He's done that previous year. They did it with Jerry Hughes,

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01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 1: they did it at the same the same way early

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01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 1: on it So it's it's a late process. This. It

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01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 1: won't happen for Josh for me, you're another prognostication. It'll

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01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:26,559
Speaker 1: happen a year from August. It'll be at that training

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01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 1: camp of his fourth year, before fifth year before he

1898
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 1: starts his before his fifth year option year, it'll he'll

1899
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 1: get extended. And that because just because of the pandemic,

1900
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 1: I think it would have happened before that had it

1901
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:40,200
Speaker 1: not been for the cap hit that they took thirty

1902
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:44,320
Speaker 1: million bucks. Folks got sliced off. The bottom line, that's

1903
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 1: hard to overcome. And we should tell you that the

1904
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:52,720
Speaker 1: way the fifth year option would work is if a

1905
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 1: player drafted in the first round like Josh, makes at

1906
01:42:57,200 --> 01:43:00,639
Speaker 1: least one Pro Bowl in their first three years, they

1907
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 1: automatically get the equivalent of the transition tag at their position,

1908
01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 1: which for Josh would be twenty one point seven five

1909
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 1: million dollars estimated projection as to where it would be

1910
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 1: based on the reduction in cap this year. Twenty one

1911
01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:18,479
Speaker 1: point seven five million is the projected transition tag figure

1912
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks. So that's what he would cost with the

1913
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:26,599
Speaker 1: fifty year option on the twenty twenty two cap short

1914
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:29,599
Speaker 1: of an extension prior to that, and they might get

1915
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 1: the extension done as Steve was talking about, before you know,

1916
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 1: those paychecks start rolling in for that fifty year option salary,

1917
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:39,599
Speaker 1: so they may get the deal redone or they as

1918
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 1: Steve is even suggested to they may just tack on

1919
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 1: an extension on top of that twenty one point seven

1920
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 1: five million figure for the twenty twenty two and they

1921
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 1: can spread his guaranteed money out over the coming life

1922
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 1: of the contract, right. I mean, if they sign a

1923
01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 1: ten year deal, they could guarantee him a ton of it,

1924
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:00,320
Speaker 1: but they don't have to pay any of it until

1925
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 1: the tenth year. That kind of thing. They can be

1926
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 1: as creative as they want. Josh is going to get

1927
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:07,760
Speaker 1: the money, but not until the league, until the team

1928
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:10,600
Speaker 1: is in a position with the cap and the you know,

1929
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 1: the progress of the contract, until they're ready for it.

1930
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:16,200
Speaker 1: So they can do anything they want as long as

1931
01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:18,240
Speaker 1: they get the okay from Josh and it's all negotiated.

1932
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 1: And you can do that because you can just incentivize

1933
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:22,920
Speaker 1: it for the players. Say, listen, if you're gonna make

1934
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:24,599
Speaker 1: us do this, you're not going to get as much money.

1935
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 1: But if you'd let us do it the way we

1936
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:29,160
Speaker 1: want to do it, you'll get guaranteed more money. Brandon

1937
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:32,679
Speaker 1: was also asked about another important player on their roster,

1938
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:36,360
Speaker 1: Matt Milano, who is an impending free agent. We've heard

1939
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 1: him comment at the season wrap up press conference, basically

1940
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 1: saying that Milano earned the right to see what his

1941
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 1: value is in free agency, and if that value exceeds

1942
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 1: what the Bills deemed to be an appropriate value for Milano,

1943
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 1: well then he'll presumably sign elsewhere and they will lose

1944
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 1: him to free agency. So here is Brandon Bean's latest

1945
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:59,080
Speaker 1: comments on where things could go with Matt Milano. That's

1946
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 1: a great story, Um. You know, similar to Richard being

1947
01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:04,599
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick, Matt was a fifth round pick.

1948
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 1: And Matt was a converted safety to linebacker and really

1949
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:13,280
Speaker 1: worked his way. Didn't start much, was more of just

1950
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:16,719
Speaker 1: a role player's first year, but going into his second

1951
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 1: year really started developing into into matchup linebacker and and

1952
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:24,479
Speaker 1: you know, has really helped Leslie Frasier with this defense,

1953
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:27,320
Speaker 1: being able to match up with either a tight end

1954
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:30,479
Speaker 1: or a back or things like that. Um, he has

1955
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:33,200
Speaker 1: earned the right to go to free agency, as you said, Chris,

1956
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:35,479
Speaker 1: and and we think that's fair for him to see

1957
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:38,559
Speaker 1: what his market is. We'd love to have Matt back. Um,

1958
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 1: you did point it out. I think probably the biggest

1959
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:43,440
Speaker 1: thing Matt would tell you too, is he's been frustrated

1960
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 1: that he hasn't been able to play sixteen games, you know,

1961
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 1: in a season, and you know this year he had

1962
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:51,719
Speaker 1: another setback for us. So it's it's figuring that balance

1963
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:53,560
Speaker 1: out of how to get Matt to be able to

1964
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:57,000
Speaker 1: play sixteen games and and what's that worth? But uh,

1965
01:45:57,160 --> 01:46:00,120
Speaker 1: nothing but positive things. Would you know, really appreciate what

1966
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:03,400
Speaker 1: Math's done for us and if things can work out,

1967
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 1: we'd love to bring him back. But you know, we'll

1968
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 1: have to see what this market is and some teams

1969
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 1: are going to have more cap space than we do,

1970
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:12,760
Speaker 1: which could make it easier for them to steal them

1971
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:15,880
Speaker 1: away from us. So that's where it is. I don't

1972
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:17,680
Speaker 1: think it's very different from what he said at the

1973
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:21,280
Speaker 1: end of you know, the playoffs when he had his

1974
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,800
Speaker 1: season rapp up prefs to conference. I think the writing

1975
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:28,120
Speaker 1: is kind of on the wall there. Yeah, unless the

1976
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:32,760
Speaker 1: market is repressed by the flood of good players out

1977
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:37,439
Speaker 1: there and Milano doesn't reach the level of importance for

1978
01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:43,679
Speaker 1: other teams that he has displayed here in Buffalo, maybe

1979
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:45,920
Speaker 1: then they get him. Maybe the market is just not

1980
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:47,559
Speaker 1: there for him. That's really the only hope you've got.

1981
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:50,040
Speaker 1: But it only takes one of the thirty two teams

1982
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:52,040
Speaker 1: or one of the teams with money to spend. Yeah,

1983
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 1: who needs a linebacker to say, you know what, I

1984
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 1: like that guy. Plus, if it was a team like

1985
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:58,960
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots in Miami Dolphins, New York Jet,

1986
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:00,599
Speaker 1: you gotta think, well, we're gonna make the Bill's worse

1987
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get better. So we're gonna get a

1988
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:04,519
Speaker 1: double whammy on the team that swept all of us

1989
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 1: last year, and we're gonna make them worse. We're gonna

1990
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:09,679
Speaker 1: get better, and you know, we'll do that and it'll

1991
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:11,880
Speaker 1: be worth the money and and they get him. So

1992
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:15,680
Speaker 1: that's a possibility as well. But you're right, I think

1993
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 1: for most of us there's big of a difference makers

1994
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:21,639
Speaker 1: he's been at times over his career here in Buffalo.

1995
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:23,599
Speaker 1: I think he had to just you know, wish him

1996
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:27,880
Speaker 1: the best because he's he's too valuable to other teams. Yeah,

1997
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 1: But all that being said, I think replacing, you know,

1998
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:35,680
Speaker 1: a player of that body type and athletic ability is

1999
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:38,760
Speaker 1: easier to do than to replace some other positions like

2000
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:42,439
Speaker 1: the offensive line, for example, which was another area that

2001
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 1: Brandon being covered on the Chris Collinsworth Podcast with Chris

2002
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:50,400
Speaker 1: and Richard Sherman, so here is Brandon. On the makeup

2003
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 1: of the offensive line going forward. We do have some

2004
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:57,200
Speaker 1: guys that are up. I mean, we have Mitch Morre's

2005
01:47:57,200 --> 01:48:00,360
Speaker 1: back at center. We extended Dion Dawkins at left tackle

2006
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:04,680
Speaker 1: last year, and I Budger played at left guard for

2007
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 1: us down the stretch and did a nice job. He'll

2008
01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 1: be in the mix. Cody Ford, we lost him midway

2009
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:14,799
Speaker 1: of the season. Um, he's still rehabbing from a shoulder

2010
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:18,920
Speaker 1: and a lower ankle injury. But hopefully Cody will be

2011
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 1: back in the mix. He played his first year at

2012
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:24,719
Speaker 1: right tackle. Last year, he was playing guard because Daryl

2013
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:27,880
Speaker 1: we had signed Darryl, and Daryl kind of we were

2014
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:30,720
Speaker 1: going to rotate him originally in camp and Darryl just

2015
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:34,040
Speaker 1: really solidified it over there, so we moved Cody inside.

2016
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:37,320
Speaker 1: But we'll definitely have Cody back. Darryl's a free agent,

2017
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:40,599
Speaker 1: you know, similar to Matt Mulana. We'll have to see, Um,

2018
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:42,920
Speaker 1: Darryl's gonna, you know, get more than what we paid

2019
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:45,759
Speaker 1: him last year on the one year deal. He's earned

2020
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:49,400
Speaker 1: that right. And John Feliciano, who we signed two years

2021
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:53,120
Speaker 1: ago from the Raiders, who had kind of been a

2022
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:55,840
Speaker 1: fifth sixth lineman for them, wanted a chance to start,

2023
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:58,960
Speaker 1: came here, started the whole nineteen this past year, he

2024
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:03,839
Speaker 1: tours Peck and Camp, missed the first half the season,

2025
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:06,200
Speaker 1: and then play for us down the stretch. He's a

2026
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:08,559
Speaker 1: free agent as well, so we'll have you know, we

2027
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:10,400
Speaker 1: got some pieces Chris that we'll have to see if

2028
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:13,680
Speaker 1: we can get back if not. To your point, it's

2029
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:16,439
Speaker 1: very important for us to protect Josh Allen first and foremost,

2030
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 1: and secondly try and get that run game going. So

2031
01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:22,719
Speaker 1: there is the Bills GM basically agreeing with Steve Tasker

2032
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:29,800
Speaker 1: that getting the offensive line retooled and resolidified his job. One. Yeah,

2033
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:33,240
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think anything else. Jj wats a

2034
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: lot of fun to talk about on the D line

2035
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 1: and making him getting more out of him is another thing.

2036
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:39,880
Speaker 1: But it starts up front for Josh. You got this

2037
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:43,280
Speaker 1: guy who made this huge leap, got himself into the

2038
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:49,680
Speaker 1: MVP conversation, set franchise records as a quarterback in a

2039
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:55,760
Speaker 1: single season. You cannot leave him unprotected. You cannot take

2040
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:57,800
Speaker 1: any chances with the guys in front of him. You

2041
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:01,759
Speaker 1: gotta make those your priority, particularly since your receiving corps

2042
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:03,679
Speaker 1: is coming back in tac You're running backs, You're coming

2043
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 1: back in tact. You got no other issues on that

2044
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:09,559
Speaker 1: side of the ball. Get get him set up for success,

2045
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 1: and you know, being indicated that Daryl Williams is gonna

2046
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:16,360
Speaker 1: be a commodity on the free agent market, He is

2047
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 1: going to get a sizeable pay increase, presumably somewhere in

2048
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:22,760
Speaker 1: the neighborhood of ten to fifteen million. I don't know

2049
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:24,439
Speaker 1: what the market's going to be for a right tackle.

2050
01:50:24,479 --> 01:50:27,000
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to predict that. But whether they see

2051
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:28,800
Speaker 1: him as a top flight right tackle that's going to

2052
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:32,040
Speaker 1: be up closer to the you know, thirteen fourteen, fifteen

2053
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:35,519
Speaker 1: million mark, or whether he's considered, you know, a top

2054
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:38,200
Speaker 1: fifteen right tackle that's going to command ten to twelve million,

2055
01:50:38,240 --> 01:50:43,599
Speaker 1: I don't know. But teams are always looking for proven

2056
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:47,280
Speaker 1: players at the tackle position. He proved himself again last year.

2057
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:50,840
Speaker 1: So you ask the question, then, Steve, is it knowing

2058
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:53,839
Speaker 1: it's probably going to be easier to John sign resign

2059
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:56,320
Speaker 1: John Feliciano, do you pull him back into the mix

2060
01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 1: in the early going, take your best swing at Darryl

2061
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:01,599
Speaker 1: Williams and if it's not gonna work, move on. Quickly

2062
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:04,360
Speaker 1: and find another replacement, because I don't know if I

2063
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:07,760
Speaker 1: feel too comfortable about diving into the draft to get

2064
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:12,400
Speaker 1: a starting tackle for my MVP caliber quarterback and trust

2065
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,320
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be able to lock that position down

2066
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 1: as a rookie. Yeah, you gotta find a veteran somewhere, right,

2067
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 1: I think you gotta have those holes at least covered,

2068
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:24,320
Speaker 1: if not filled, by the time the draft comes around,

2069
01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:26,280
Speaker 1: so that if you know, if you do want to

2070
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:28,400
Speaker 1: try and take a shot at a guy at thirty

2071
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,839
Speaker 1: to come in and compete for right for a tackle spot,

2072
01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:35,880
Speaker 1: certainly I would imagine they're going to take at least

2073
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 1: one offensive lineman in this draft who will have a

2074
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:43,480
Speaker 1: chance to compete. I saw a mock draft today. Aikenberg

2075
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:46,479
Speaker 1: is a tackle out of Notre Dame who people are

2076
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:49,679
Speaker 1: tabbing as maybe a Bills kind of guy. He played

2077
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:56,040
Speaker 1: three years at start as a starter, so he's got

2078
01:51:56,080 --> 01:52:01,880
Speaker 1: some experience. So, but they've got to do something in

2079
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:05,719
Speaker 1: free agency to shore up the lack of starter quality

2080
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:07,800
Speaker 1: players that they have had proven that can either step

2081
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 1: into that posit even if even if they had an

2082
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:11,720
Speaker 1: injury history or whatever, if they're a quality player when

2083
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 1: they're healthy. You gotta get a you gotta get him

2084
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:18,960
Speaker 1: in there. You've got um Ryan Bates, who has shown

2085
01:52:19,120 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 1: the ability to play all five spots. You've got Jordan Devi,

2086
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:29,439
Speaker 1: back veteran player thirty three years old. Trey Adams, the

2087
01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:33,639
Speaker 1: undrafted rookie free agent who's six eight three forty plus.

2088
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 1: He's a big dude. Uh not great athlete, but he's

2089
01:52:36,479 --> 01:52:38,000
Speaker 1: been in the system. He knows what he's you know,

2090
01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:40,360
Speaker 1: he knows the spot anyway, And I think we would

2091
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:43,320
Speaker 1: anticipate that the team tender is a qualifying offer to

2092
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:46,559
Speaker 1: their restricted free agent Ike Butker right at what level?

2093
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:50,000
Speaker 1: Probably not the second round level. They probably just give

2094
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:55,240
Speaker 1: him the low tender qualifying tender offer to at least

2095
01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:59,679
Speaker 1: maintain rights to negotiate with him, and then it depends

2096
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:03,320
Speaker 1: on where it goes from there. Maybe it's more affordable

2097
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:05,720
Speaker 1: on the cap to sign him to a modest two

2098
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:07,800
Speaker 1: year deal to come back instead of the one year

2099
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:11,280
Speaker 1: qualifying tender offer. You know, it's clear they like him.

2100
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:13,799
Speaker 1: Brandon mentioned him in his comments there when he started

2101
01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:15,719
Speaker 1: at him for him for a left guard after Cody

2102
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,960
Speaker 1: Ford left the lineup in a pinch, he could he

2103
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:22,160
Speaker 1: can start not even in a pinch. I mean, he

2104
01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:23,559
Speaker 1: was on a playoff team that got to the FC

2105
01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:27,160
Speaker 1: Championship game as a starting left guard, so that's pretty good.

2106
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:29,000
Speaker 1: And this team coming down the stretch was playing as

2107
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:31,080
Speaker 1: good at football as anybody in the National Football League,

2108
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:32,960
Speaker 1: so and he was a part of that. So they

2109
01:53:33,439 --> 01:53:36,160
Speaker 1: should have full confidence in his ability to contribute. So

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Speaker 1: you mentioned the free agent market and what they could

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Speaker 1: mine for there in terms of talent to add to

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Speaker 1: the roster, and Brandon addressed that as well. He addressed

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Speaker 1: the high talent level available on the free agent market,

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Speaker 1: as many of us, including him, expect this market to

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Speaker 1: be flooded with salary cap casualties. I do think whether

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01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:01,880
Speaker 1: it's a one year deal or like you said, there

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Speaker 1: may be some two and three year deals, but they're

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Speaker 1: really one year deals just so people can spread that

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Speaker 1: money out. And you know, I do think people if

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Speaker 1: you look at Tampa what they did last year, you

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Speaker 1: have to give Jason like and Bruce Arians a lot

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01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:20,200
Speaker 1: of credit. They once they got Brady, you know, he

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Speaker 1: kind of recruited some guys on his own and just

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01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:27,040
Speaker 1: naturally the presence of Tom Brady is going to do that.

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Speaker 1: And I think they they kind of went for it

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01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 1: and added some pieces. You get a Fournette, obviously, you

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Speaker 1: get a Gronk and just some of the other pieces

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Speaker 1: that maybe they don't get those if they if they

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Speaker 1: didn't get Tom Brady and they got those guys, that

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Speaker 1: probably reduced salaries, you know, And so maybe that happens

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Speaker 1: to where a couple of players say, hey, I'll take

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Speaker 1: less for this one year, or maybe I'd sign a

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Speaker 1: two year Richard even though it's really a one year deal.

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Speaker 1: We've you know, I'm not coming back at that number

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Speaker 1: next year. It's high number. That's it's really just spreading

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Speaker 1: that signing bonus out. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: I could I still think it will be a lot

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Speaker 1: of one year deals, but it may be structured like

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Speaker 1: you're talking about two and three year deals, and it

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Speaker 1: does open itself up for two or three teams like

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Speaker 1: the NBA to get some guys that are out there

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01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:25,920
Speaker 1: didn't get the number they wanted and just said, you

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01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:28,880
Speaker 1: know what, I'll go sign with a contender, see how

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Speaker 1: it goes, and then try and go back to the

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01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 1: market next year. So Brandon being lending credence to the

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01:55:33,240 --> 01:55:36,560
Speaker 1: idea of super teams in the NFL with that kind

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01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:39,240
Speaker 1: of scenario. He kind of saw Tampa Bay as that

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01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 1: with all the guys they scooped up after the season

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01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:45,120
Speaker 1: already started Leonard Fournette over here and scooping up Antonio

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01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:48,960
Speaker 1: Brown over there. I'd be careful those guys were contributors

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01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:50,520
Speaker 1: at the end of the season for them, I'd be

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01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:53,440
Speaker 1: careful of it. In one respect, we've seen that before.

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01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:56,400
Speaker 1: I remember, way back in the day when the Washington

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01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:59,840
Speaker 1: Redskins signed all the Dion Sanders, Bruce Smith, loads of

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01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:02,040
Speaker 1: all those guys, spent a ton of money, and it

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01:56:02,120 --> 01:56:05,640
Speaker 1: never They couldn't really get it to come together. Football

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01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:11,160
Speaker 1: is not like basketball, and the dynamics are much more

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01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:15,520
Speaker 1: difficult to manipulate, particularly in the locker room, because there's

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Speaker 1: so many guys and so many important people who have

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Speaker 1: a voice. So yeah, and kudos to the Bucks for

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Speaker 1: being able to pull it off bringing all those new

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Speaker 1: guys in. Certainly they got some quality guys, I mean,

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Speaker 1: had a supreme leader, and Tom the quarterback comes in

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01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:34,600
Speaker 1: with it'll boatload of credibility, and when he spoke, guys said, okay,

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Speaker 1: there wasn't any of this. Who are you why Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like what who? Yeah, why do I listen to you? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You're the guy with the six rings? Right? Okay, right?

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Speaker 1: Not too many teams got that this just in so

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Speaker 1: it came together very well for Tampa Bay. It's not

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Speaker 1: going to be necessarily as easy or the same when

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Speaker 1: another team pulls the same stunt or attempts to. Yeah,

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01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:02,040
Speaker 1: he's kind of a unique leader to have on the roster,

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Speaker 1: to pull all the egos together and say this is

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Speaker 1: how it works. Yeah, he's he with this way, or

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01:57:08,440 --> 01:57:11,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna be watching the super Bowl. Not too many

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01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:15,440
Speaker 1: guys can pull a Lebron James in another sport where yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to play with that guy. I want to

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Speaker 1: win a championship. He's in, he's been in the last

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Speaker 1: eight finals. I want to be on his team, right,

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Speaker 1: So you know, Brady's got that. And there's not too

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Speaker 1: many of those guys around. So if you're gonna entice

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01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:36,440
Speaker 1: free agents with anything other than money, you gotta do it.

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01:57:36,720 --> 01:57:38,480
Speaker 1: You gotta do it a different way than the Tampa

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01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:41,520
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers did. And that's not going to be easy, yeah,

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Speaker 1: especially with some teams tight against the cap. But there

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01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:48,200
Speaker 1: will be some picking and choosing to do on the

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01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:51,480
Speaker 1: free agent market. The first wave, I think is going

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01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:54,240
Speaker 1: to largely be the same as it's always been. Guys

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Speaker 1: get paid early, they're in demand, they'll get their money.

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01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:00,680
Speaker 1: But that second wave, I think is gonna it's going

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01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:02,560
Speaker 1: to be in stark contrast to what we've seen in

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01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:05,000
Speaker 1: recent years because the money is going to dry up

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01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:08,360
Speaker 1: that much quicker with that many more teams tied against

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01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:12,240
Speaker 1: the cap, and then it becomes a question of what

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01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:16,960
Speaker 1: are you willing to play for and what's important whether

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01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:20,320
Speaker 1: it's a playing for a winner, be playing for as

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01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:24,760
Speaker 1: close to your market value as possible, or see accepting

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Speaker 1: what the market value is and just trying to land

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01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:29,160
Speaker 1: a job for next year so you can get back

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01:58:29,200 --> 01:58:31,920
Speaker 1: into the market the year after and then try to

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Speaker 1: swing for a bigger contract. Because the key to guy's

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01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:38,000
Speaker 1: feeling like they've been a success as an NFL player's

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01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:41,520
Speaker 1: longevity when you hang around and you're a survivor and

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01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:45,000
Speaker 1: you're a contributor every year, and when you're valuable to

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01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:48,160
Speaker 1: your team every year and you put together a long career.

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01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:51,920
Speaker 1: That's kind of the basis for a lot of love

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01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:55,480
Speaker 1: and respect are in the locker rooms. If you're one

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01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:58,440
Speaker 1: of those guys that has been there for a long time.

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Speaker 1: That's the most difficult. That's kind of the you know,

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01:59:01,480 --> 01:59:06,320
Speaker 1: the brass ring when you when you keep being impossible

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01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:10,000
Speaker 1: to cut or undesirable to cut. That's that's that's a thing,

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01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:12,880
Speaker 1: and players are very attuned to that. I think we

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Speaker 1: have to take a break, but when we come back,

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Speaker 1: we will wrap up the Brandon Being comments that were

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01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:20,440
Speaker 1: made on the Chris Collinsworth Podcast earlier this week by

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Speaker 1: the Bills general manager. We've got to comment on how

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Speaker 1: he intends to deal with the difficulties of the restrictive

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Speaker 1: cap and under the radar player he thinks can blossom

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01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:35,040
Speaker 1: as early as next year. We'll find out who that

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Speaker 1: is when we return here on One Bills Live presented

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Speaker 1: by Kalida Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Final half hour

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Speaker 1: of a Thursday edition of One Bills Wide Drifts. We

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Speaker 1: can you broadcasting from the Seneca Studios here in Orchard

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Speaker 1: Park at One Bill's Drive. We want to wrap up

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Speaker 1: some of the comments that General Manager Brandon Being made

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Speaker 1: in an appearance this week on the Chris Collinsworth Podcast

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Speaker 1: featuring Richard Sherman, and the restricted cap is going to

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Speaker 1: put the screws to a lot of general managers in

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Speaker 1: this league, some more severely than others. Fortunately, Brandon and

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02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:27,160
Speaker 1: his front office team have been very disciplined and fiscally

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Speaker 1: responsible in managing the cap. So even in this pandemic

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02:00:32,640 --> 02:00:38,360
Speaker 1: offseason that has compromised the cap considerably as it dropped

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02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:42,240
Speaker 1: eighteen million dollars instead of going up, they're still in

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02:00:42,280 --> 02:00:46,240
Speaker 1: a manageable position. But they're going to have to do

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02:00:46,280 --> 02:00:49,440
Speaker 1: a little hoop jumping to accomplish all that they want

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Speaker 1: business wise this offseason with making adjustments to the roster,

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Speaker 1: and so Collinsworth asked Brandon about that. Here is what

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Speaker 1: brand and Being said about how they're going to attack

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Speaker 1: those difficulties with the cap this offseason. It's frustrating, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure it's frustrating for players too. But you know,

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Speaker 1: as we went through this, you know, we're in one

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02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:15,880
Speaker 1: hundred five hundred eighty six million somewhere in there, and

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Speaker 1: so in a normal year, we would be in great

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Speaker 1: spot to pay up to you know, the two ten cat,

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Speaker 1: not that we would spend at all, or two fifteen

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Speaker 1: whatever it was going to be. So a year ago,

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Speaker 1: we had a great plan in place for being able

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Speaker 1: to continue to ascend this past season and add talent.

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Speaker 1: And so to your point, Chris, now we got to

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Speaker 1: relook at it and guys that helped us get to

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Speaker 1: this championship game may not be able to be on

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Speaker 1: our team going forward that a year ago we had

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Speaker 1: plans to have And so we we're definitely gonna have

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Speaker 1: to look at it. We're gonna look at you know what,

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Speaker 1: guys do we just have to outright cut? Are there

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Speaker 1: some guys that we can maybe reduce their salary a

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Speaker 1: little bit and maybe it's a reduction to where they

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02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:05,640
Speaker 1: can earn some of it back. I've done those before.

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02:02:05,680 --> 02:02:08,520
Speaker 1: You take a couple of million off, but you say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you can earn a million of it back by playtime

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02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:14,040
Speaker 1: or another incentive. So we're gonna have to try and

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Speaker 1: be creative. Maybe there's a guy or two that we

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02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:20,080
Speaker 1: can restructure their deal, push you a little money down.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna look at all avenues to try and

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Speaker 1: not lose to men players and still add stuff. And

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Speaker 1: then obviously the draft is going to be very important,

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Speaker 1: not only for us, but a lot of teams this

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02:02:31,720 --> 02:02:36,120
Speaker 1: year finding that cheap labor and not missing on those picks.

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Speaker 1: It does enhance the importance of hitting on your draft

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Speaker 1: choices this year, because, as he said, there might be

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Speaker 1: some players they just have to outright cut to help

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Speaker 1: them save on the cap, And how are you replacing

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Speaker 1: them not with similarly priced players. You need cheap labor,

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Speaker 1: and that's draft choices that can come into play for you,

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02:02:55,960 --> 02:02:59,800
Speaker 1: right and you've got to replace them with somebody, and

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Speaker 1: you can't just it's not one for one. It's never

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Speaker 1: one for one. And that's the problem because you can't

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Speaker 1: cut a guy for the playing for ten millions, save

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02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:12,480
Speaker 1: ten million on the cap, and then give ten million

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02:03:12,520 --> 02:03:15,840
Speaker 1: to the next guy, because you're right back where you started. Um,

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02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:23,600
Speaker 1: you gotta right now, they've got they don't have enough

2282
02:03:23,640 --> 02:03:29,640
Speaker 1: offensive lineman to feel a team. They're they're gonna have

2283
02:03:29,680 --> 02:03:36,560
Speaker 1: to draft seven guys. They don't have any depth. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's an issue. Yeah, it's an issue. The

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02:03:39,880 --> 02:03:42,960
Speaker 1: really the one the one position group that's in a

2286
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:44,840
Speaker 1: dire straight right now at the free agent wise is

2287
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Speaker 1: the offensive line. Everybody else is like, Okay, Matt Malone

2288
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:50,000
Speaker 1: is a big hole in your linebacking corps. But they

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02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:52,520
Speaker 1: played a lot of the season without him too, So

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Speaker 1: that's really where they sit. The cap is gonna be

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02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:02,360
Speaker 1: twenty five million, a little more under what they thought

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02:04:02,360 --> 02:04:05,280
Speaker 1: it was going to be. So instead of they in

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02:04:05,400 --> 02:04:07,600
Speaker 1: one fell swoop, they would go from being cap strong

2294
02:04:07,640 --> 02:04:10,080
Speaker 1: too in dire straits. And now they got to say

2295
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Speaker 1: goodbye or restructure a lot of guys, say goodbye to

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Speaker 1: one or two or three guys, maybe a year earlier

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Speaker 1: than they thought they would, or restructure seven guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think they want to do that. I

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Speaker 1: don't think, because he said his exact words were, maybe

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Speaker 1: restructure a guy or two, because that's a dangerous game

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Speaker 1: to play, too, because all you're doing is delaying the inevitable.

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Speaker 1: You may satisfy and take care of all your problems

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Speaker 1: for this year, but those problems are just sitting on

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Speaker 1: the shelf ready to come back. A year or two.

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Speaker 1: You'll be right back here. You don't want to do

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Speaker 1: too much of that. Maybe you do one or two,

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Speaker 1: but you start doing three, four or five guys. Those

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Speaker 1: chickens are gonna come home to roost. You'll be right

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Speaker 1: back here again in twelve months. And you got you know,

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Speaker 1: he didn't like doing that, right, nobody does. That's I'm

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Speaker 1: really interested to find out too, about how far the

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Speaker 1: cap could jump with the new money of the new

2313
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Speaker 1: deals and full stadiums. Yeah, which is what Brandon wants

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Speaker 1: to find out when he's making a giant decision, like

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Speaker 1: an extension for Josh Allen. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: That could potentially be a three hundred million dollar decision.

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Speaker 1: You gotta know the numbers. Yeah, and right now they

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Speaker 1: have no idea and you can't do an extension like

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Speaker 1: that blindfolded. You just can't. You can't. So it's probably

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Speaker 1: gonna be later rather than sooner. Yeah. If yeah you

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Speaker 1: do that blindfol you're gonna bump your head. Last comment

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Speaker 1: from Brandon Bean he was asked by Chris Collinsworth, is

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Speaker 1: there's some under the radar player on your roster that

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Speaker 1: you know, you think could blossom into an important guy.

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Speaker 1: And you know we're talking about positions to fill here.

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Speaker 1: Steve offensive line is going to have to be filled

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Speaker 1: out of necessity. They may not be able to sign

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Speaker 1: a veteran cornerback as they have each of the last

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Speaker 1: two off seasons. So here's Brandon being on an under

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Speaker 1: the radar player that he's excited about on their roster

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Speaker 1: right now. I don't know somebody that's can be superstar,

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Speaker 1: but um, you know a guy that plays your position.

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02:06:03,720 --> 02:06:06,280
Speaker 1: Dane Jackson, who was a seventh round kid out of

2334
02:06:06,320 --> 02:06:11,000
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh due to Josh Norman at a hamstring a little bit.

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02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:14,440
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace had a couple of injuries and then we

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02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:17,600
Speaker 1: had they missed games for like close contacts with Covid.

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02:06:18,120 --> 02:06:21,600
Speaker 1: We started him on the practice squad early in the

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02:06:21,680 --> 02:06:24,560
Speaker 1: year and then brought him up and every game he played,

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02:06:25,320 --> 02:06:27,560
Speaker 1: you know, one or two interceptions I don't remember, but

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02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:30,800
Speaker 1: every game he played. His instincts are very good. You know,

2341
02:06:31,080 --> 02:06:33,720
Speaker 1: nobody's got to you know, your instincts are very high.

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02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing him there, but he doesn't have all

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02:06:36,400 --> 02:06:39,480
Speaker 1: the measurables. He's got some height, he's got some some

2344
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:44,040
Speaker 1: straight line but not necessarily stop start quick, you know,

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02:06:44,240 --> 02:06:46,760
Speaker 1: quicker than fast or anything like that. But he's a

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02:06:46,800 --> 02:06:49,200
Speaker 1: young man that, uh, you know, we believe we'll be

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02:06:49,240 --> 02:06:52,080
Speaker 1: able to compete to start next year. We're obviously going

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02:06:52,160 --> 02:06:54,560
Speaker 1: to bring in competition for him, but he's a guy

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02:06:54,600 --> 02:06:57,120
Speaker 1: we got high hopes for as a young player that

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02:06:57,160 --> 02:06:59,960
Speaker 1: showed us it wasn't too big for him. And he's

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02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:02,680
Speaker 1: got some guys, as you know, they just got that

2352
02:07:02,680 --> 02:07:05,560
Speaker 1: that natural feel for the game. You can coach guys

2353
02:07:05,600 --> 02:07:07,320
Speaker 1: all day long. You put him out there and some

2354
02:07:07,400 --> 02:07:11,960
Speaker 1: guys just feel routes or can read that quarterback. And

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02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:14,720
Speaker 1: he showed some things and the you know, I think

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02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:17,200
Speaker 1: we got him in about five games this year. So

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02:07:17,240 --> 02:07:20,120
Speaker 1: that's his guy that he's pumped about. One Dane Jackson,

2358
02:07:20,160 --> 02:07:23,040
Speaker 1: a guy that I like as well. Um, and I've

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02:07:23,120 --> 02:07:25,360
Speaker 1: given I'm given Brownie all kinds of trouble because he's

2360
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:28,360
Speaker 1: been on the Dane Jackson bandwagon since the first time

2361
02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:31,120
Speaker 1: he stepped on the field as a bit zone a

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02:07:31,160 --> 02:07:37,280
Speaker 1: game and he you know, he had a pass defense

2363
02:07:37,480 --> 02:07:41,640
Speaker 1: on DeAndre Hopkins in that game in the end zone touchdown,

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02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:44,160
Speaker 1: he had a fumble recovery, He's had an he had

2365
02:07:44,160 --> 02:07:47,160
Speaker 1: an interception or two. Just you know, he's just there.

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02:07:47,200 --> 02:07:50,040
Speaker 1: He just showed up. And I said to so all

2367
02:07:50,040 --> 02:07:53,200
Speaker 1: this stuff happens, and Brownie's like, yeah, Dane Jackson, Dane Jackson.

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02:07:53,240 --> 02:07:55,720
Speaker 1: Dane Jackson. So this soundbike comes and they ask him,

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02:07:55,760 --> 02:07:58,920
Speaker 1: who's gonna be a superstar. I don't think a superstar,

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02:07:59,000 --> 02:08:01,240
Speaker 1: but a guy that we think we have high hopes for,

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02:08:01,400 --> 02:08:03,880
Speaker 1: and it was Dan Jackson. Brownie's puffing his chest out.

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02:08:04,600 --> 02:08:10,440
Speaker 1: Look at that Brandon bill Nunn here, So Brownie is

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02:08:10,440 --> 02:08:13,720
Speaker 1: taking full credit for the Dave Jackson s hey, I

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02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:15,520
Speaker 1: just I just liked what I saw from him, and

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02:08:15,600 --> 02:08:19,560
Speaker 1: so I'm encouraged. And when you think about the restrictive cap, Steve,

2376
02:08:20,360 --> 02:08:22,240
Speaker 1: you know, the last two years, they've gone out in

2377
02:08:22,280 --> 02:08:25,960
Speaker 1: free agency and signed a veteran free agent corner to

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02:08:26,040 --> 02:08:29,720
Speaker 1: an affordable deal, and that's how they've tried to supplement

2379
02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:34,240
Speaker 1: the roster at the corner position, and they've often had

2380
02:08:34,280 --> 02:08:37,240
Speaker 1: that guy compete with Levi Wallace. I don't know if

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02:08:37,240 --> 02:08:39,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna have an extra five six million laying around

2382
02:08:39,640 --> 02:08:42,480
Speaker 1: this offseason to go get a guy like that, So

2383
02:08:42,520 --> 02:08:45,480
Speaker 1: you may have to rely on a guy like Dane Jackson,

2384
02:08:46,080 --> 02:08:49,160
Speaker 1: who may compete with Levi Wallace if they can resign

2385
02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:52,480
Speaker 1: him or send him a qualifying tender offer or sign

2386
02:08:52,600 --> 02:08:56,080
Speaker 1: him to a modest two year extension. But Levi Wallace

2387
02:08:56,160 --> 02:08:59,800
Speaker 1: might not even be back, depending on where the money goes. Right,

2388
02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:02,480
Speaker 1: And also I think what will happen Dan Jackson will

2389
02:09:02,480 --> 02:09:05,600
Speaker 1: compete with may a late round or mid round draft

2390
02:09:05,720 --> 02:09:08,839
Speaker 1: choice or yeah, and you're gonna go young there anyway,

2391
02:09:11,120 --> 02:09:13,680
Speaker 1: that's what it's going to look like. Yeah, my only

2392
02:09:13,720 --> 02:09:17,280
Speaker 1: concern with Dane Jackson is if he's playing every week,

2393
02:09:18,120 --> 02:09:20,600
Speaker 1: how healthy can he stay? Right? You know, he only

2394
02:09:20,600 --> 02:09:24,080
Speaker 1: played part time, got in five games, I think, started twice,

2395
02:09:24,720 --> 02:09:26,640
Speaker 1: broke his wrist right out of the gate. Well that no,

2396
02:09:26,720 --> 02:09:29,880
Speaker 1: that was cam Lewis. But but you know, he's not

2397
02:09:29,960 --> 02:09:33,960
Speaker 1: a giant guy. He's six foot, but he's he's not

2398
02:09:34,520 --> 02:09:38,960
Speaker 1: slender framed, and so you wonder, of course Levi Wallace

2399
02:09:39,000 --> 02:09:43,000
Speaker 1: was slender framed. Two battled injuries this year, mostly you know,

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02:09:43,080 --> 02:09:47,360
Speaker 1: lower body ankle stuff. But yeah, you wonder can he

2401
02:09:47,440 --> 02:09:49,760
Speaker 1: hold up for sixteen weeks? That that's the big if

2402
02:09:49,880 --> 02:09:52,960
Speaker 1: with him. And my hope is with a full offseason

2403
02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:55,440
Speaker 1: and a strength and conditioning program at the NFL level,

2404
02:09:56,440 --> 02:09:59,280
Speaker 1: maybe a better chance to kind of get you know,

2405
02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:01,960
Speaker 1: through the rag years of the season. It's the test

2406
02:10:02,040 --> 02:10:06,520
Speaker 1: for him is this offseason does he like in his

2407
02:10:06,720 --> 02:10:09,280
Speaker 1: exit interview, did they tell him we'd like to see

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02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:11,680
Speaker 1: ten pounds heavier next year? Yeah, or you know, six

2409
02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:13,560
Speaker 1: eight pounds a lean muscle mass, you know that kind

2410
02:10:13,800 --> 02:10:15,320
Speaker 1: we'd like to see it. We'd like to see it

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02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:18,760
Speaker 1: this weight and this body mass, and we need you

2412
02:10:18,800 --> 02:10:20,440
Speaker 1: to get there and then we'll see if he can

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02:10:20,440 --> 02:10:22,200
Speaker 1: do it. And if he does, he'll he'll reap the

2414
02:10:22,200 --> 02:10:24,280
Speaker 1: benefits from it. But I don't think there's any question

2415
02:10:24,360 --> 02:10:28,800
Speaker 1: he has instincts for the position. Seems to be around

2416
02:10:28,840 --> 02:10:30,720
Speaker 1: the ball a lot in the limited time that we

2417
02:10:30,760 --> 02:10:33,720
Speaker 1: saw him, and those are things that encourage me, like, Okay,

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02:10:33,720 --> 02:10:37,520
Speaker 1: this guy's he gets it as a rookie. So with

2419
02:10:37,640 --> 02:10:39,720
Speaker 1: more time on the job, if you can get a

2420
02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:44,360
Speaker 1: little stronger. I'm encouraged by the potential there, and that's

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02:10:44,360 --> 02:10:46,800
Speaker 1: why I kind of gravitated to him and like him

2422
02:10:46,840 --> 02:10:49,000
Speaker 1: as a as a prospect for this team going forward.

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02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:51,760
Speaker 1: We'll see. Yeah, I'm not saying he's making the Pro

2424
02:10:51,800 --> 02:10:53,800
Speaker 1: Bowl next year, but I'm excited about where his game

2425
02:10:53,840 --> 02:10:56,000
Speaker 1: can go. Head of the ahead of the curve, Brownie

2426
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:59,680
Speaker 1: Ony blind squirrel finds an every once in a while. Right,

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Speaker 1: we have to take a break, but Steve and I

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02:11:02,040 --> 02:11:05,200
Speaker 1: are back to find out what we have learned from

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Speaker 1: today's show, and with Tony Dungee on this program today,

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02:11:07,640 --> 02:11:09,400
Speaker 1: I imagine we learned a few things. But we'll get

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02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:11,760
Speaker 1: to that when we return here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 1: presented by Kalida Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. It is

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Speaker 1: time for what have we learned from todaying show? Brought

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Speaker 1: of the Buffalo Bills. I learned a thing or two

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Speaker 1: from a Hall of Fame head coach by the name

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Speaker 1: of Tony Dungee was on our show second hour of

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Speaker 1: the program. He was great interesting to note. I mean

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Speaker 1: he slid this in very very cleverly. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we were talking to him about diversity, hiring and league

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02:12:01,120 --> 02:12:07,520
Speaker 1: and just in passing he mentions, well, yeah, and when um,

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02:12:08,960 --> 02:12:13,400
Speaker 1: when ers Jim Ersey got left holding the bag. When

2443
02:12:13,480 --> 02:12:15,840
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel said yes, but no, thank you and I'll

2444
02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:19,160
Speaker 1: see you later. He gets on the horn with Tony Dungee,

2445
02:12:19,240 --> 02:12:22,960
Speaker 1: his former head coach, and Tony said, well, I recommended

2446
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:25,360
Speaker 1: Frank Reich and Leslie Frasier to him as guys to interview,

2447
02:12:27,880 --> 02:12:30,200
Speaker 1: Like he just kind of slid that in there while

2448
02:12:30,240 --> 02:12:32,280
Speaker 1: we're talking to him. Yeah, you know, and that's why,

2449
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:35,320
Speaker 1: sure enough, who gets interviewed Leslie and Frank Reich. I mean,

2450
02:12:35,320 --> 02:12:37,400
Speaker 1: there were a couple other guys too, but but they

2451
02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:39,960
Speaker 1: had been through that process early on with Josh McDaniels

2452
02:12:39,960 --> 02:12:42,720
Speaker 1: and going through all the list of guys, and certainly

2453
02:12:42,720 --> 02:12:46,280
Speaker 1: Frank ended up taking the job. But yeah, and was

2454
02:12:46,280 --> 02:12:47,960
Speaker 1: coached the year they made the playoffs and all of that.

2455
02:12:48,640 --> 02:12:53,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, that and Leslie Frasier still defensive coordinated the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. Yeah, and and it's clear that Tony's tight

2457
02:12:58,480 --> 02:13:03,080
Speaker 1: with Leslie and we you know understand Leslie worked for him. Yeah. Yeah,

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02:13:03,120 --> 02:13:05,960
Speaker 1: so so they Yeah, they travel, They've crossed paths more

2459
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:08,960
Speaker 1: than once I think in the league. Um, you know

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02:13:09,000 --> 02:13:11,080
Speaker 1: when Leslie has been a head coach. He's a head

2461
02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:15,080
Speaker 1: coach with the Vikings. So yeah, so even at the

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Speaker 1: end of the interview, he's just saying, I always root

2463
02:13:18,080 --> 02:13:20,480
Speaker 1: for Buffalo because Leslie's my guy up there. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: those two guys are tight. You understand why. Thanks to

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Speaker 1: Tony Dungee, he was what a great interview. I recommend

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02:13:26,360 --> 02:13:28,880
Speaker 1: you getting a chance taking a chance to listen back

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02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:34,240
Speaker 1: to it. He's um, the guys he has interacted with

2468
02:13:34,680 --> 02:13:38,640
Speaker 1: in professional football is a who's who. Um, he's close

2469
02:13:38,680 --> 02:13:44,600
Speaker 1: with Bill Polian, Um knows Marv Uh, He's had McKay

2470
02:13:46,120 --> 02:13:50,040
Speaker 1: has ties to the Pittsburgh organization. Yeah, he's the Rooney family,

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02:13:50,600 --> 02:13:52,240
Speaker 1: all of them. So it's he was a really he's

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Speaker 1: an encyclopedia and a treasure for NFL fans, so really

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02:13:57,480 --> 02:13:59,800
Speaker 1: good to talk to him. I enjoyed that thoroughly. Might

2474
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Speaker 1: have one of my That's probably in my top three

2475
02:14:02,560 --> 02:14:04,360
Speaker 1: since I've hopped on the show with you here, Steve.

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Speaker 1: He was great today. It was It was a good

2477
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:08,000
Speaker 1: job by Jay Harris on that. Thanks to the guys

2478
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:10,120
Speaker 1: on the other side of the door here George Blast,

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02:14:10,520 --> 02:14:14,120
Speaker 1: Jeff Colton, act, Thomas Hollander doing yeoman's work today for

2480
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Speaker 1: us when we're a little shorthanded, and Jay helping us

2481
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Speaker 1: out with Tony Dungee today. That was great. Back for

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Speaker 1: a Friday edition of the show tomorrow, We'll see you

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Speaker 1: tomorrow at noon. Here on one Bills Live for a

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Speaker 1: center body collid to help. It's Buffalo Bills Radio.