1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Petrochemicals has become a kind of mantra for the oil 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: industry that thank goodness for petro chemicals, because that's where 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: all the growth lies. 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: A few years ago, I started to see an explosion 5 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: in disposable plastic at restaurants, at my kids' school. It 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: was everywhere, and this was even before the pandemic brought 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: more and more of it into our lives. It seemed weird, 8 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: and it reminded me of what had happened with climate change, 9 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: where a big environmental problem really seemed like it was 10 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: being addressed, like people were turning their attention to solving it, 11 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: and then suddenly everything shifted. I wanted to know what 12 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: had happened, and when I looked into it, I found fracking. 13 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: With the fracking of gas, a lot of ethane and propane, 14 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: and they're considerably cheaper as a feedstock than oil. And 15 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: all these companies had the bright idea, well, let's turn 16 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: this ethane into plastic and then we can undercut our 17 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: competitors and we can make very high superprofits. That's basically 18 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: was the idea. 19 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: That was infuriating because I had also just discovered that fracking, 20 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: on top of creating a whole bunch of environmental problems. 21 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: Radioactive waste, polluted water had never even been profitable. 22 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 3: That's something that I think has actually been in emblematic 23 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 3: with the shale industry as a whole, that it's an 24 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: industry that's been phenomenally successful at producing oil and gas, 25 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: but has been terrible at producing cash. 26 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: Now it was fueling a plastics boom, bringing a whole 27 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: new host of environmental problems. 28 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 4: There's a big build out going on in the Gulf 29 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 4: Coast as well as in Appalasia, so using gas liquids 30 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 4: from fract gas and turning those into plastics and these 31 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 4: giant industrial cities. 32 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 5: Really the school shut down, there's no school. 33 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: Promosa is using the school for a training center now, 34 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: so it's Promosa's town. My community was suffering. People were 35 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 2: getting sick, my classmates. I've had several classmates die of 36 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: rare cancers. 37 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: We had no big health issues until the insist started 38 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 3: to come in. 39 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: But the fossil fuel industry is still pushing quote unquote 40 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: natural gas as a climate solution a bridge fuel. 41 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 5: Renewables are great, but we need natural gas too. That's 42 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 5: what we use now. So when the sun is down, 43 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 5: you have a backup. 44 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: You found just like your granddad. 45 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 5: Plus, emissions have gone down because natural gas is the 46 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 5: number one electricity, Grandma, American Energy is leading the world. 47 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 5: Natural gas equals a cleaner future. 48 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: And they're fighting like hell against various local and state 49 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 2: moves to electrify everything and get off of gas. 50 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 3: At the local level, they're trying to make it as 51 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 3: miserable as possible for locally elected officials to move forward 52 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 3: policy to restrict natural gas. 53 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: There's too much going on here for anyone's story, So 54 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: we're doing something a little different with this one. A 55 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: season in three parts looking at all sides of the 56 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: fossil gas industry. We're calling it the Bridge to Nowhere. 57 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: Part one is coming soon. Make sure you're subscribed to 58 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: Drilled wherever you get your podcasts so you won't miss it.