WEBVTT - Justice for Nygil Cullins

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tamika d.

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<v Speaker 2>Mallory and the ship Boy my son in general.

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<v Speaker 1>We are your host of t M I.

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<v Speaker 2>Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and Inspiration, New Name.

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<v Speaker 1>New Energy. What's going on, my son, Lennon?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm Blessed Black and Holly Favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>Blessed Black and highly favorite. That is very, very very true.

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<v Speaker 2>You are, yes, you know, just finishing off a beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>Father's Day with my young kings and you know, happy

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<v Speaker 2>Father's Day to older fathers. I didn't even put up

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<v Speaker 2>a Father's Day post on Father's Day. I was so busy,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, being a father and doing so many different things.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, as you know, I've been shooting the film.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to my my brother Wally World, Wally Burgos,

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<v Speaker 2>who is directing this film called Brainfast that's probably gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be a classic movie. I've been doing that for like

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<v Speaker 2>the last couple of weeks, and we filmed for like

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<v Speaker 2>the this last week, probably all day long.

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<v Speaker 3>And that had me.

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<v Speaker 2>Just running around crazy. And then actually on Father's Day

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<v Speaker 2>early I went to a prison to a film was short,

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<v Speaker 2>a short film that was powerful with a guy from

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<v Speaker 2>from Newark. You know, shout out to him. His name

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<v Speaker 2>is Bred, they call him Bread. He has he's working

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<v Speaker 2>with a school, a film school, and he drew up

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, a dope script and he wanted me

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<v Speaker 2>to start in the script and it was a real

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<v Speaker 2>powerful script. So you know, I just did that. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Father's Day with my kids, we went to the

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<v Speaker 2>to the Snow, the snow.

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<v Speaker 3>If you haven't been to Big Snow in American Dream

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<v Speaker 3>it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember our listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>In New Jersey, Jersey. I think it's a sea caucuses right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's right next to the MetLife Stadium.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the American Dreams, the American Dream Mall. They have

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<v Speaker 2>all types of things. So we went to They wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do what do you call it snowboarding? Yes, and

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<v Speaker 2>it feels like you in aspen in there. It's so

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<v Speaker 2>cold in it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. I go in there for a few seconds

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<v Speaker 3>and then I just let them.

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<v Speaker 1>Bones old bone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my bones don't work. They hit their little tail

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<v Speaker 2>bones and they was on fire yesterday. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>first time I heard them like, yo, my tailbone, Yo,

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<v Speaker 2>my tailbone is hurting.

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<v Speaker 3>They both was sore.

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<v Speaker 2>Is they give you like a two hour period that

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<v Speaker 2>you can do everything you want to do. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was good. It was a good event. Now today I'm

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<v Speaker 2>about to head off. That's why I can't beat on

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<v Speaker 2>this full episode. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>I know my listenersn gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Miss me, but I gotta go do our program in

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<v Speaker 2>Westside High School in Newark. Shout out to Principal Akbal

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<v Speaker 2>Cook and the music teacher there, John Thompson Thomason, for

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<v Speaker 2>allowing me to come here with this this music program

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<v Speaker 2>that I created call from Drill Music to Hell Music,

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<v Speaker 2>And today's gonna be our final presentation, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>talent show in which we're gonna showcase two videos that

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<v Speaker 2>they've created and music that they've created, and just talk

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<v Speaker 2>about what the program is. So I'm really excited to

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<v Speaker 2>showcase what these kids have been really building on and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and just taking the concept that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I planted the seed and they just turned it into.

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<v Speaker 3>A whole forest.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. You know, I wanted to take the same energy

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<v Speaker 2>that they have in Drill Music, the same beats and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>but just change the message on it because we want

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<v Speaker 2>that energy. We want the culture because obviously it's so

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<v Speaker 2>than that attracts people.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just said we don't got to.

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<v Speaker 2>Kill and drill and spend the block and do all

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<v Speaker 2>of that in every song. So I challenged them, and

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<v Speaker 2>they met the challenge with flying colors, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really I'm eager to let the school. The school's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be there and they're gonna present. They're finished products

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<v Speaker 2>at the school. So I'm eager to get over there

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<v Speaker 2>and work with these kids. So we should have some

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<v Speaker 2>special guests come by. I ain't gonna say who they

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<v Speaker 2>are yet until they come because you know, people's schedules

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<v Speaker 2>mess up some of the some of the couple of

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<v Speaker 2>them have confirmed that they're gonna be there, but they

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<v Speaker 2>should be a dope evet.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. And so for those folks who are listening,

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<v Speaker 1>just to give the proper context for this until Freedom's

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<v Speaker 1>Boycott Black Murder campaign has a program in West Side

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<v Speaker 1>High School in Newark, New Jersey, in which my son

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<v Speaker 1>has been working with these young people for several months

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<v Speaker 1>as a part of our Boycott Black Murder the efforts.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you know, we are around the country, spread

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<v Speaker 1>around the country trying to as you said, plant seeds

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<v Speaker 1>through our organization to help our young people redirect you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's especially during this time when folks are talking

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<v Speaker 1>so much about gun violence prevention and intervention. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we are, you know, at until Freedom. I'm proud

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<v Speaker 1>to say that the organization is really stepping up and

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<v Speaker 1>ensuring that we are actively engaged with our young people,

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<v Speaker 1>and this program is a true testament to that. I

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<v Speaker 1>give you all the kudos for being there with the

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<v Speaker 1>students once a week for several months from the winter

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<v Speaker 1>to the spring now leading into the hot heat, hot, hot,

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<v Speaker 1>hot today summer. You've really been consistent with these young people.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a great thing. I mean, I'm I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>proud of you and what you've been able to do.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate it. Man, I'm proud of these young boys.

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<v Speaker 2>And shout out to once again, shout out to the

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<v Speaker 2>principal Cook who believed in the program and allowed us,

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<v Speaker 2>you know fully much open door to come inside and

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<v Speaker 2>build with these young men. And shout out to the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the the music teacher, coach t they call him.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's an amazing guy and he really he really

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<v Speaker 2>believes in the students. He loves music and he's passionate

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<v Speaker 2>about it. So when you when you have when you

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<v Speaker 2>put that all together, can't get nothing but something that's dope.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm eager and I can't wait to just watch

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<v Speaker 2>these kids just present what they created, like they shot

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<v Speaker 2>the videos themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they created the beats themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we came up with concepts and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we did them all together, and there was even the

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<v Speaker 2>people who weren't actually creating music had input into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody felt he was about the room of about fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>to twenty of us and everybody was involved, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and they and they felt involved in it. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just glad to see that, you know, a pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>division I had.

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<v Speaker 3>In my head. Yeah, actually came to life. So cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome, awesome, awesome. I'm excited. I will not be

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<v Speaker 1>there early to do the setup. The rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>team will be there, but I'm coming as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>I finished today. You know that Nigel Collins the case

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<v Speaker 1>that happened in New in Atlanta, Georgia, in bucket at

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<v Speaker 1>Fogo restaurant. This young man was shot with his hands

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<v Speaker 1>in the air, shot fifteen times. I had heard it

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<v Speaker 1>was ten, but now I learned from being at a

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<v Speaker 1>rally this week that he was shot fifteen times by

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<v Speaker 1>police after a few calls about him being having a

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<v Speaker 1>mental health crisis. Being in crisis, his mother had him

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<v Speaker 1>set up to go to a program, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted to get the police to help her, to

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<v Speaker 1>get him to the place where he could get help,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course the police showed up and rather than

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<v Speaker 1>helping him, they shot him to death. Yes, he had

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<v Speaker 1>a gun, but everybody in Georgia has a gun. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's interesting to me that now because people are, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>well he had a gun, Well that's the law in

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia that you can have a gun anybody. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>much work that's being done to stop people from walking

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<v Speaker 1>into a local gun store and purchasing a gun. They

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<v Speaker 1>claim they have some screening, but clearly it's not enough.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't no one can be one hundred percent certain

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<v Speaker 1>about when someone will have a manic episode. But nonetheless,

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<v Speaker 1>there are many reasons why we need to have stricter

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<v Speaker 1>gun laws. We need to ensure that people are not

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<v Speaker 1>just walking around with weapons, especially when you have a

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<v Speaker 1>police department that is not trained, nor do they care

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<v Speaker 1>to be trained properly. In our communities to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>the over influx of people who are carrying. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>you know what. I'll be talking to attorney Gerald Griggs,

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<v Speaker 1>who's the president of the NAACP chapter. They're in Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta. He's gonna come on and while, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and be a guest to just go through it. This

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<v Speaker 1>happened two years ago. Everybody knew it. The district attorney

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<v Speaker 1>knew what happened, the city knew and if they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>If they didn't know, then that means the police department

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<v Speaker 1>with hell the information. Of course, the video that they

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<v Speaker 1>initially put out was a video that was slowed down.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a new tactic that they are using. Rather

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<v Speaker 1>than just releasing all the footage of the videos, they

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<v Speaker 1>put out little drips and pieces and they slow it

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<v Speaker 1>down and edit highly edited, so that you can't see

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. Now, two years later the full video was

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<v Speaker 1>out and you see this young man in my judgment,

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<v Speaker 1>being executed. It was an unnecessary approach. So today we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be talking to Gerald Griggs about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, I think it was a tracity. Man when

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<v Speaker 2>I forget saw it, you know, posted on my page

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<v Speaker 2>and and everybody pretty much felt the same way. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no justification for what happened to that young man.

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<v Speaker 2>You can tell. You could tell there was a level

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<v Speaker 2>of fear that he had running from the police, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, based on what happened to him, his fear

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<v Speaker 2>was justified. You know, it's it's just sad to see,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I went to see mister Belafonte's, as we

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<v Speaker 2>call him, mister Be's sort of a documentary called.

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<v Speaker 1>Susan Susanne Suzanne Lord right now, the last name escapes,

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<v Speaker 1>but Suzanne made this documentary she created.

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<v Speaker 2>About him, and it was so it was so telling,

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<v Speaker 2>and mister b said so many things and when I

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<v Speaker 2>think about this case, what he said, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>it was an excellent documentary. You got to see it

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<v Speaker 2>because you're in there, you know, with a good part.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was saying and it's like you see him

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<v Speaker 2>mentoring different, uh stages of the movement, right, you watch

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<v Speaker 2>him mentor the Dream Defenders, you see him mentoring the

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<v Speaker 2>Woman's March, you see him mentoring the Parkland people.

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<v Speaker 3>And then every time what he kept saying was.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you gonna do to capitalize on because the

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<v Speaker 2>enemy is going to try to divide it, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be another Mike Brown, you might not

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<v Speaker 2>think so now, And sure enough there was another Mike Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, there's gonna be another error Gardner, and he

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<v Speaker 2>constantly told every person that he met with that he

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<v Speaker 2>you know that he mentored in those moments that they

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<v Speaker 2>would be another person.

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<v Speaker 3>And just hearing that was like wow.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he had been through so many different levels

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<v Speaker 2>and just constantly seeing the same thing happen over and

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<v Speaker 2>over and were in a constant, repeated state of just

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<v Speaker 2>being killed and there's really nothing changing, and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's just sometimes it's disheartened, you know, And I feel

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of us who are on this front line

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get changed. But then when you actually see

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<v Speaker 2>some level of change or you see some level of accountability,

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<v Speaker 2>like with George Floyd, gives you a little hope. But

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<v Speaker 2>then once again this government would try to roll back everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in a very well one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about. I was hoping that you

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<v Speaker 1>and I would have time to discuss it, but I'll

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<v Speaker 1>take this conversation my thought of the day over to

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney Griggs. You know, I was looking at social media

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<v Speaker 1>the other day and Ambrose has now become the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>Trump supporter ever. And I just listened to some of

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<v Speaker 1>the things, or at least I read some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that she says, and their strategy, the right wing

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<v Speaker 1>strategy is to play three car third, three car Molly

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<v Speaker 1>with your mind. They move the pieces around so quick,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you're not a certain type of person the

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<v Speaker 1>way that we are, you'll miss it. You'll miss it.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, when I was young, I was

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<v Speaker 1>on Bortham Road in the Bronx and New York City

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<v Speaker 1>and my mom told me on my way out the door,

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<v Speaker 1>do not play that three card game because you can win.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't even play the game. And I think, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>the government will try to roll everything back. They are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to every the fight that we had in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a backlash to that, and we are experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>it right now where people are doing all that they

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<v Speaker 1>can to one discredit and also so first of all

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<v Speaker 1>discredit us and our movements. But the next thing is

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<v Speaker 1>that they are strategic enough to put PEP people in

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<v Speaker 1>place to help them make new laws and to change

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<v Speaker 1>the rules, so that we are in a vulnerable situation

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<v Speaker 1>for many, many, many, many years to come. These people

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<v Speaker 1>want to, I believe, you know, reinstitute the type of

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<v Speaker 1>world that we know we cannot allow our children to

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<v Speaker 1>have to face. And a big part of why doctor

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<v Speaker 1>King and others for so hard, and why we continue

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<v Speaker 1>to fight so hard, is because we know we have

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<v Speaker 1>such of a responsibility to protect our children from what

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<v Speaker 1>the onslaught that they are up against. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want the kids to look back at us and say,

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<v Speaker 1>what do we do and why weren't we on the job,

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<v Speaker 1>Why weren't we in the watchman's house? Why weren't we

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<v Speaker 1>making sure that we protect them? And now they have

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<v Speaker 1>to fight to unravel, and God knows how that will

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<v Speaker 1>even happen because the way in which Trump and them

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<v Speaker 1>want to stack the courts and do all the things

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<v Speaker 1>that they're doing. They're talking about institutional, systemic change. Take

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<v Speaker 1>us back to a time that so many of our

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<v Speaker 1>people fought and died to get us out of.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're one hundred percent right. We're in some very strange,

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<v Speaker 2>peculiar times. I said, I said, I said, I said it.

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<v Speaker 2>This morning, I was watching, like you said, I was

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<v Speaker 2>watching in Barrows, and then I was watching in Detroit.

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<v Speaker 3>You know some.

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<v Speaker 2>Rappers, young rappers with Donald Trump and talking telling him

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<v Speaker 2>how he's the only one who came to the hood.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was just a preacher.

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<v Speaker 3>Well the preacher was with the rappers.

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<v Speaker 2>The rappers to the preacher actually said he was the

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<v Speaker 2>only one that came to the hood, but the rappers

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<v Speaker 2>were there too, And I was just like, propaganda is

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<v Speaker 2>so crazy. And that's one of the things that Mr

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<v Speaker 2>B said. He said, they will, they will, they will

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<v Speaker 2>nullify the movement, they will discredit it, they will do

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<v Speaker 2>everything to combat it. You have a small window to

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<v Speaker 2>try to do something because they're going to come. And

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<v Speaker 2>I watched how Black Lives Matter became the mantra of

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<v Speaker 2>the world and then it became the most hated phrase.

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<v Speaker 2>It is it is so much of a hey, when

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<v Speaker 2>you say that word, it's it's a scam and this

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<v Speaker 2>and that.

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<v Speaker 3>It was always and I just be looking like, where

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<v Speaker 3>did you get that from?

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<v Speaker 2>Who made you believe that just the words black Lives

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<v Speaker 2>matter is something negative? And it brings me also brings

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<v Speaker 2>you back to Malcolm X said, who made you hate

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<v Speaker 2>the color of your skin? Who made you hate the

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<v Speaker 2>size of your nose or the texture of your hair,

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<v Speaker 2>who made you think that? And you don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>who made you do it? Right, So when I'm having

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<v Speaker 2>these conversations and they say black lives that sense, so

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<v Speaker 2>prove it, you know, because they can't wait to throw

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<v Speaker 2>They throw black people in jail for two hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>They locked themselves for two or three hundred dollars. If

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<v Speaker 2>you in the office and you you you sign over

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<v Speaker 2>a check, that's two hundred dollars that ain't supposed to go.

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<v Speaker 2>They putting you in jail. As a black man, I

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<v Speaker 2>know a bunch of black men facing that.

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<v Speaker 3>So what I'm trying to say is if if Black

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<v Speaker 3>Lives Matter did.

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<v Speaker 2>Some with a one hundred meal, they can't wait to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to pur walk these people, why they ain't

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<v Speaker 2>in jail if it's the biggest game in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>Like why not?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, nobody ever has an answer for that.

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<v Speaker 2>So, but it's just so it's so crazy how we

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<v Speaker 2>allow them to trick us into believing there's something wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with us, that we criminals.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone it's the same playbook.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so it's so crazy that when you look from

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<v Speaker 2>every leader, every movie we had, they did the same

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<v Speaker 2>exact thing.

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<v Speaker 3>If you just study history. They did the same, exact

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<v Speaker 3>the same shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he stole, he did this, he's a criminal, He's

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<v Speaker 2>not this, he's this the same bullshit.

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<v Speaker 3>Man. It's like when we're gonna when we're gonna wake

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<v Speaker 3>up to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, absolutely well, thank you, I'll see you soon, and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Will now tell Attorney Griggs that we're with him and

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<v Speaker 2>I see my love and we're fighting for justice for

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<v Speaker 2>Nigel Cullen face.

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<v Speaker 1>So our brother, Attorney Gerald Griggs is joining us today.

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<v Speaker 1>I've already explained to you all this case that many

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<v Speaker 1>of you are already aware of. The last several days

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<v Speaker 1>last week at least have been extremely traumatizing for many people.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I was getting calls from folks just around

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<v Speaker 1>the country, people in Georgia, people who had just been

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<v Speaker 1>to the restaurant where Nigel Collins was killed. They've just

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<v Speaker 1>been there days before the video was released that shows

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<v Speaker 1>the horrific way in which his life was taken by

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<v Speaker 1>the police. And people are so frustrated with the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that we have to continue to deal with this climate

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<v Speaker 1>of police abuse that has gone unaddressed by most, if

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<v Speaker 1>not all, if you will, of our elected leadership and

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<v Speaker 1>I say all because while I do understand that there

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<v Speaker 1>are many different layers and levels federal government, local government,

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<v Speaker 1>you have people who are fighting really hard to get

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<v Speaker 1>things like the George Floyd Justice and Police and Act

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<v Speaker 1>and other things passed. But at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>it hasn't and so we have to hold everybody accountable

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<v Speaker 1>for how we get to the point where there are

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<v Speaker 1>measures put in place to protect black lives. And I

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<v Speaker 1>asked my friend, Attorney Jerald Griggs to join us. He

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<v Speaker 1>has been the attorney for the family of Nigel Collins

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<v Speaker 1>from two years ago when this incident first happened, all

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<v Speaker 1>the way until today. Now. Attorney Griggs, my son, wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to share his love with you and appreciation for you

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<v Speaker 1>being here. He wanted to send a firm statement to

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<v Speaker 1>you that until freedom stands with you and we are there,

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned to you today, is the You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're fighting on so many fronts on one hand, dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with police accountability, on the other hand, with working with

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<v Speaker 1>our youth. And we are running a program in Newark,

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey with some young people and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>schools that has an extremely unfortunate number of violent incidents, fights, shootings,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, young people actually dying outside the building. Shootings

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<v Speaker 1>have happened, and this principle is doing a hell of

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<v Speaker 1>a job to work to turn that around. Principal Cook,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a real guy from the community, and so he's

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<v Speaker 1>working with my son and they have taken a group

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<v Speaker 1>of students and stripped drill music from some of the beats.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of it young people created their own. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>it are you know, current beats that out there with

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<v Speaker 1>popular drill songs. And they have now went from drill

0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:49.879
<v Speaker 1>music to heal music. And today is a concert before

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<v Speaker 1>the entire school to showcase this project that they put

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<v Speaker 1>together that includes art, I mean videos, It includes artwork,

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<v Speaker 1>ipic work that they've done. It's just a great project.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was unable to be here, but he said,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna have Griggs, you're gonna be all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I can leave you in his hands.

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<v Speaker 5>I appreciate him, and you know, shout out to that program.

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<v Speaker 5>We need more of that all throughout the country. So

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<v Speaker 5>I understand, and you know, my sounds my brother, so

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<v Speaker 5>our support. Whatever he's doing, he knows that he has

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<v Speaker 5>our support down here in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 4>So salute to him, Thank.

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<v Speaker 1>You, Thank you so much. So. First of all, first off,

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<v Speaker 1>I did not do my Thought of the day in

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<v Speaker 1>this program today, and I want to bring you into

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation. It's not why I invited you. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about Nigel Cullins. However, you know I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I am like you, pissed off with the current administration

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<v Speaker 1>for a number of things. Aggravated, frustrated, sometimes hopeless, sometimes defensive.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's like it's almost like I'm in a

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<v Speaker 1>reoccurring nightmare where you're just like fighting the air. You

0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know which way who to punch first. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the ugly heads just popping up everywhere, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is the most frustrating time I think for all

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<v Speaker 1>of us. And I know you share the concerns around

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<v Speaker 1>the current administration, the previous, the ones trying to get in.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just a big landscape full of mess.

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<v Speaker 1>We know it, we see it, and I think we

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<v Speaker 1>would be disingenuous as leaders, especially the types of people

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<v Speaker 1>that are work with us, the people who expect us

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<v Speaker 1>to lead, not to be honest and say this is

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<v Speaker 1>a damning time in American history period, right, So you.

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<v Speaker 5>Share that, I share that as my brother and I

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<v Speaker 5>think your brother, doctor William Barber always says, we're in

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<v Speaker 5>a third reconstruction. So we wouldn't be leaders without telling

0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:55.520
<v Speaker 5>people we are in one of those historical moments in

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<v Speaker 5>history where if the good people don't stand up and

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<v Speaker 5>speak truth to power, we're going to go backwards.

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<v Speaker 4>So we have to be honest.

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<v Speaker 5>This is the nineteen twenties all over again, nineteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen forties, and we have to be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>With the people, absolutely, so we establish that. However, I

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<v Speaker 1>know we also share an understanding that if we do

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<v Speaker 1>not maintain some level of control over our government and

0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:27.120
<v Speaker 1>we allow Donald Trump to become president, we ain't seen

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<v Speaker 1>nothing yet, as the old folks said, right, ain't seeing

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<v Speaker 1>nothing yet because this man is coming back and attempting

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<v Speaker 1>to become president again with the vengeance. And I tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just be honest. If you and I running our

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<v Speaker 1>organizations and we are in a position of power, and

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever demented reasons, we don't will never if we

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<v Speaker 1>are anything like Donald Trump, will never accept all the

0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:01.720
<v Speaker 1>reasons why the American people voted against you. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you believe in your mind that somehow you were done

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and you know and you need to return to

0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 1>power if you are a narcissist who is coupled with

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<v Speaker 1>the racist, coupled with someone who wants fascism, We've seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>We know it's not what it's not what we think.

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<v Speaker 1>We know what comes out of his mouth. We also

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<v Speaker 1>watched him and the policies and the types of people

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<v Speaker 1>that he put in place all around him when he

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<v Speaker 1>was president and even since then, we know that if you,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just be honest, if that was your personality, when

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<v Speaker 1>you return to a place of power and get back

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<v Speaker 1>in the position, you gonna spank on everybody and everything

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<v Speaker 1>and try to do everything that you wanted to do

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:51.040
<v Speaker 1>plus some more and with an attitude. So just on,

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<v Speaker 1>just on that. That for me is problematic because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want I don't want the boyfriend or the old

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<v Speaker 1>employee returning to my life with a vengeance for me,

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<v Speaker 1>because they, you know, whatever cooked up mess is in

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<v Speaker 1>their mind that I don't want in my life.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, it's I mean, you know, it's like old saying

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<v Speaker 5>we have in Atlanta. Somebody want to get their lick back.

0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:15.480
<v Speaker 5>You know they're gonna try to get their lick back

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<v Speaker 5>and so as you're saying, I mean, we fought him,

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<v Speaker 5>and again I'm taking my naacp had off and just

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<v Speaker 5>being Gerald Griggs, the activist in the attorney from twenty

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<v Speaker 5>sixteen to twenty twenty. Men, you were fighting this man repeatedly,

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<v Speaker 5>whether it's Women's March, whether it was DJ I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>it was all kinds of things that we were fighting him,

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<v Speaker 5>and we were successful to mobilize the vote in historic numbers,

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<v Speaker 5>especially in Georgia. In Georgia, we held the line. And

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<v Speaker 5>so to see what's happening now is disheartening, but we're

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:52.439
<v Speaker 5>still hopeful that we can convince individuals to use the

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:55.159
<v Speaker 5>most powerful non violent weapon they have, which is the vote.

0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:58.200
<v Speaker 5>But either side has to earn it, and my hope

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 5>is the other side will not earn it. You know,

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 5>as the NBAC president, I can't go full throat it,

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<v Speaker 5>but I can.

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<v Speaker 4>Tell you it's Gerald Griggs.

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<v Speaker 5>Georgia has something to say, and whether or not people

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.600
<v Speaker 5>turn out, we're going to send him to a prison

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 5>in Georgia because he violated Georgian's rights by saying that

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:18.639
<v Speaker 5>he wanted seven thousand, one hundred and whatever votes.

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<v Speaker 4>So as long as there are laws in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>Where you go on with that, haven't they indefinitely paused?

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:30.160
<v Speaker 1>The case that is being led by Fannie willis, it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Not indefinitely paused.

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:33.560
<v Speaker 5>So there's a hearing with the Court of Appeals in

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:38.439
<v Speaker 5>October to determine whether or not Judge McAfee's ruling not

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.439
<v Speaker 5>disqualifying her will stand. And I truly believe, based on

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 5>my reading of Georgia law, that decision will hold.

0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:46.359
<v Speaker 4>And then the trial will start.

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 5>But also there are code defendants in the case whose

0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 5>cases continue, so the case is not indefinitely paused. It's

0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:54.679
<v Speaker 5>a lot of media reporting that, and that's why you

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:57.639
<v Speaker 5>need Georgia lawyers to actually explain what's happening. It's just

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:01.040
<v Speaker 5>that portion is paused for or argument and in the

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 5>Court of Appeals with issue ruling, but.

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:06.879
<v Speaker 1>They're still doing some funny business and my judgment.

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, they are on.

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 1>Their way around this particular thing. So you know, my

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 1>thought of the day today, Griggs is I was watching

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:21.960
<v Speaker 1>social media a couple of days ago. You know, I

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 1>don't know about you, but I've significantly reduced the amount

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:29.120
<v Speaker 1>of time that I spend on on social media because

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm beginning to see the I can already tell, especially

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 1>as election time comes around, you begin to see the

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 1>propaganda on all sides, and you begin to see that

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 1>if you can become so frustrated that you can't even

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>focus on the tangible right in front of you, real

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:51.640
<v Speaker 1>work that you're doing. So for me, I've cut back

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 1>on social media, but I was on Shade Room one

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>day and I saw Ambar Rose on their talking Now

0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Amber Rose has now endorsed Donald Trump. She is the

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:04.159
<v Speaker 1>biggest Donald Trump supporter, and she said some things that

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to make sure that the screenshot of her

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>comments that you all get an opportunity to see at

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 1>everyone who's listening. But the bottom line is that she says, one,

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Trump is not a supporter of Project twenty twenty five,

0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that he's not a supporter of it, that it's bullshit,

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:28.399
<v Speaker 1>it's all Democratic lies. They want Democrats want you to

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 1>be poor and broke, and they're just trying to force

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 1>you through their own propaganda to make you vote for

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 1>President Biden. Then she goes on to say that and

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 1>it is not true that President Trump at the time

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 1>banned abortions, That he did not ban abortions. That's bullshit.

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>It's a lie now. Number one, she's right about that

0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 1>he did not ban abortions, So that's true. But the

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 1>trick that they're playing that either she doesn't know or

0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:03.720
<v Speaker 1>she is intentionally involved in attempting to confuse and miss

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 1>and misinform the American people, is that, no, he did

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 1>not ban abortions. What he did was put people, whether

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>it be court justices and judges, excuse me, across the

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 1>country in place that would help to ban abortion. He himself,

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 1>his own words. We will play a clip today. He

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 1>his own words. He said he was responsible for getting

0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>rid of Row v. Wade, which we know has been gutted.

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 1>At this point, people already a lot of activists, advocates

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 1>and others policymakers did not want Donald Trump to become

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>president because they knew it was going to be a

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 1>part of his platform. He has to please his conservative

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 1>right wing section of his government. And in fact that

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:57.239
<v Speaker 1>his friends, they worked for him. They were in the

0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 1>White House, Stephen Miller, all these crazy right wing people.

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 1>These are his people. The folks from the Heritage Foundation

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:12.560
<v Speaker 1>who for decades decades have been the most influential voices

0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:16.400
<v Speaker 1>in terms of policy for the Republican Party. These are

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 1>his friends. These the people he put in position, They

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.560
<v Speaker 1>are his friends. And for her to say that he

0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 1>does not support Project twenty twenty five, well where has

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 1>he said that out of his mouth?

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:28.800
<v Speaker 6>At the end of the day, this is all about

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 6>the will of the people. You must follow your heart

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 6>or in many cases, your religion or your faith. Like

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 6>Ronald Reagan, I am struggling in favor of exceptions for rape,

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 6>incest and life.

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 3>Of the mother.

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 1>In fact, his policies are deeply aligned with what is

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 1>in Project twenty twenty five. And again his friends wrote it,

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>the people who worked for him before and the people

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 1>who are around him today. And the Heritage Foundation is

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 1>at the center of Project twenty twenty five, which if

0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 1>you have not read it, listen to us. We're not

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna break it down. You need to go search Project

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five and read that entire platform, which is

0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 1>one of the most conservative platforms that this country has

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 1>seen in a long time. And it will absolutely be

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 1>harmful to black and brown people. And so I know

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:24.080
<v Speaker 1>I am. I just again want people to caution themselves

0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 1>in grigs. I want to give you the Florida talk

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 1>about this before we go into Nigel Collins as someone

0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>who's in Georgia who understands that people are frustrated with

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the current administration. People are frustrated about the attack on

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 1>the people of Gaza and Palestinian people. Folks are frustrated

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>because the rent is too high, the food is too high,

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>the gas is too high. People are frustrated because they're

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 1>still killing us, the police still killing us, guns still

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 1>in our communities. People are frustrated because the food does

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>it's People are frustrated because education is not what it

0:31:57.200 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>should be. Folks are frustrated when you have people like

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Anne Barolls being used as a tool to misinform our

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 1>folks in a state like Georgia that had the responsibility

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 1>of choosing the next president. Because you all are a

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>swing state, I want to hear from you what you

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 1>feel about, you know, what this system others are doing,

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 1>and ultimately what we do to encourage I'm in New York.

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I need you and your state to vote, because in

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 1>New York, if we vote for you know, we're in

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 1>the popular vote. But we are not an electoral college state,

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>so we don't make the decision determination of who becomes president.

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 5>And so What we have to remember is every time

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:44.200
<v Speaker 5>we get into an election, there are voices that don't

0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 5>speak about politics that start speaking about politics. So you

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 5>have to go to trusted messengers. And there's no more

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 5>trusted messenger than the NAACP. Now, again, we're not gonna

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 5>talk about which candidate you should or should not vote for,

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:57.480
<v Speaker 5>but we.

0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 4>Will talk about policies.

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 5>We will talk about the systemic disinvestment in education that

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 5>will happen if Project twenty twenty five is implemented. They're

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 5>gonna gut the Department of Education. They're gonna gut the

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 5>Department of Justice. I'm gonna say it again, they're gonna

0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 5>cut the Department of Justice. And the Department of Justice

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:20.080
<v Speaker 5>was specifically created to fight against a homegrown white nationalist

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 5>domestic terrorists.

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 4>Called the Klan.

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 5>And so when you start talking about these policies and

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 5>you hear reality show stars trying to convince you, listen,

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I respect Amber, you know the thing she's doing,

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 5>but I don't get my politics and my policy decisions

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 5>from a reality show star.

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 4>It's really that, it's really that clear.

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.479
<v Speaker 5>And to answer your question about whether or not the

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 5>former president banned abortion, no, he didn't ban abortion, but

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 5>he nominated and they will confirm the three conservative justices

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 5>who made the majority to issue the Dobbs decision, which

0:33:56.960 --> 0:34:03.960
<v Speaker 5>effectively ended abortion in this country. And so respectfully, stick

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 5>to reality TV and stop trying to disinform individuals. We

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 5>see what's going on on the ground here in Georgia.

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 5>And again, if there was a media celebrity in Georgia,

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 5>we will listen to. It's not Ambar Rose, so we

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 5>don't really have to listen to her in Georgia. But

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 5>what we do have to listen to. What we have

0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:25.759
<v Speaker 5>to consider is the fact that there is systemic injustice

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 5>that's continued to happen that neither candidate are talking about

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:31.279
<v Speaker 5>that for any matter, or what they're going to do

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 5>about the weabonization of law enforcement, what they're going to

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 5>do about actually fixing the alleged crisis at the border,

0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 5>what they're going to do to fund fully fund the

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:43.440
<v Speaker 5>educational system. And so we have to make the candidates

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 5>have that robust conversation about what they're going to do

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 5>to change people's lives. And let's be clear, I live

0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 5>through twenty sixteen to twenty twenty. I remember the COVID pandemic.

0:34:56.360 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 5>I remember the twin pandemic of racism sixteen nineteen. I

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 5>don't want to go back to that. But what I

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 5>also don't want to do is to sugarcoat what we

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 5>are experiencing right now.

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yas is too high.

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 5>Yes A McDonald's happy meals like eight dollars. At this point,

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:16.719
<v Speaker 5>we have to address those things. So we need policy

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:22.400
<v Speaker 5>considerations from the candidates, from our trusted sources and voices

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 5>in the political space, to break down what they are

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:29.359
<v Speaker 5>going to do, what they have done. Again, I don't

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:32.600
<v Speaker 5>want somebody, when we're going through a historic pandemic to

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 5>tell us to inject bleach into our skin or use

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:36.880
<v Speaker 5>uv lights that came.

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:37.359
<v Speaker 4>Out of his mouth.

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:42.000
<v Speaker 5>I don't want someone who led an armed insurrection against

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:44.240
<v Speaker 5>our country because he lost an election.

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 4>Those are facts. I don't want somebody calling in to.

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:51.279
<v Speaker 5>Georgia to try to overturn the will of black voters.

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.240
<v Speaker 4>Amber that's what actually happened in Georgia.

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:58.319
<v Speaker 5>So again, respectfully, you can endorse whoever you want, but

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 5>we run on facts, not feelings.

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>That's right. Absolutely, thank you so much for that. I'm

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 1>so happy to have you here. The chime in on

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 1>my thought of the day today. Attorney Gerald Griggs is

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:13.920
<v Speaker 1>a friend. I did not invite you here as the

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 1>president of the Atlanta Chapter of the NAACP, and also

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:25.800
<v Speaker 1>the Georgia State Conference of the NAACP. You are president

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:28.879
<v Speaker 1>of that as well. I didn't invite you here as that.

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:32.720
<v Speaker 1>You just my friend, Gerald Griggs, and we're just kicking

0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 1>it today about what's happening in our society. But you

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:41.959
<v Speaker 1>are the attorney for Nigel Collins family two years ago.

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 1>This young man. The way in which he was killed

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:48.439
<v Speaker 1>is something that I mean, I don't watch videos of

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 1>these incidents as much as possible. I do everything that

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 1>I can to avoid it. The only way that I

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.799
<v Speaker 1>will watch a video and it sort of catches me

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:00.359
<v Speaker 1>is if I open my phone on my own and

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:02.799
<v Speaker 1>I just happened to be trying to see what's going

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 1>on and then boom, there's the incident. Other than that,

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I can't because the trauma sticks with us

0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:13.760
<v Speaker 1>of watching our people literally be lynched in a different

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:17.319
<v Speaker 1>way and right there in the palm of our hands,

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and that's a very different circumstance for us. You know,

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:26.879
<v Speaker 1>I think back when lynchings were prevalent, because, by the way,

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>someone said to me the other day, they don't lynch

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 1>us anymore. No, no, no, there's still lunchings happening across

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:39.200
<v Speaker 1>this nation, especially in places like Mississippi, in Louisiana, I

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:44.399
<v Speaker 1>know of the cases. But at that time they would

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 1>lynch us and have the community to watch it and

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 1>leave the body hanging for days and days, so that

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 1>every it was a symbol to everybody about what could

0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 1>happen to you.

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:00.840
<v Speaker 4>We know who take and take home.

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 1>And take souvenirs, including body parts, especially from the men,

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 1>you know. And also white folks would get dressed up,

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 1>cleaned up in their best clothes a Sunday, go to

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:19.239
<v Speaker 1>church clothes to watch a lynching. Now it is not

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the same as us, you know, looking at a body

0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 1>hanging for days. But it's on our cell phones, it's

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 1>right in the palm of our hands. And when I

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 1>saw Nigel, I could see in his face and my

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:32.880
<v Speaker 1>son spoke about this before you came on, the fear

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:35.760
<v Speaker 1>in his eyes. You know, he was he was afraid.

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, he was scared. He wasn't there to harm anyone.

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 1>He needed help. And I want you to talk about

0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:45.280
<v Speaker 1>two years ago. This happened two years ago. For folks

0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 1>who are listening that video that you watch of Nigel

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Collins being shot to death by the police in Fogo

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>the Brazilian steakhouse. It happened two years ago, and Jerald

0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:00.479
<v Speaker 1>Griggs has been the attorney for the family since the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about it. Break it down for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Let us know what has happened or what happened.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So for those that saw the video a few

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 5>days ago when it was finally released because of the

0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 5>pressure of the family has been putting on Atlanta Police

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 5>Department for two years, let's take ourselves back. May the

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 5>eighteenth of twenty twenty two, Nigel Cullins was in the

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:26.360
<v Speaker 5>mental of a mental health distress. He was at his

0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:29.920
<v Speaker 5>home with his mother and his father and he was

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:33.879
<v Speaker 5>going through his manic stage and for two hours, his mother,

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 5>doctor Maya Cullins, was calling law enforcement to get a

0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 5>crisis intervener so she could get Nigel to a bed

0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:43.840
<v Speaker 5>that she had already secured at one of our facilities

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:47.320
<v Speaker 5>here so he can get treatment. Of course, the police

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:51.560
<v Speaker 5>department did not respond in any term of a fishing

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.560
<v Speaker 5>amount of time. It took two hours and so Nigel

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 5>was able to successfully leave his home, get on Martyr,

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:02.759
<v Speaker 5>take Martyr down to the Linburg train station and walk

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:06.600
<v Speaker 5>up Petemont to go to Fogo to Child. And unlike

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:09.080
<v Speaker 5>the information the police have been releasing and the City

0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:12.239
<v Speaker 5>of a Lad has been releasing, Nigel actually formally worked

0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:15.239
<v Speaker 5>at Fogo to Child and knew many of the individuals

0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:17.600
<v Speaker 5>that were there. So the nine one one call saying

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 5>that they didn't know this guy got had spiky hair

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 5>and gold teeth, all that erroneous. But anyway, he goes

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:25.799
<v Speaker 5>into the Fogo to Child, he gets some food, he

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:27.879
<v Speaker 5>sits at the bar, he interacts with people at the bar,

0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 5>he's talking to the matre d. He does go behind

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 5>the bar and get a bottle of Hennessy and come

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:35.799
<v Speaker 5>back and drink that. And he's in the process of

0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:38.640
<v Speaker 5>eating and drinking and not threatening anybody. You can clearly

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 5>see that in the video because no one is threatening,

0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 5>no one's disturbed, people are eating and drinking, everything's going well.

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 5>He was never asked to pay for the meal. He

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:48.960
<v Speaker 5>was going to probably pay for the meal, but law

0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 5>enforcement arrived. They arrived, and that's where the video really begins.

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:55.359
<v Speaker 5>Now again there are two hours of video that has

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:59.160
<v Speaker 5>been released. Most of the platforms, with the exception of YouTube,

0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 5>have not released all the video, which is why the

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:05.399
<v Speaker 5>family was upset. But so you see the police come

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:08.680
<v Speaker 5>in and they interact with Nigel. As soon as they

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:13.319
<v Speaker 5>get to Nigel, he turns around, puts his hands up

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:16.680
<v Speaker 5>and starts to go to the ground. As he's going

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:18.800
<v Speaker 5>to the ground, the police push him to the ground

0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:22.040
<v Speaker 5>and he flips over with his hands up. Now their

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:24.440
<v Speaker 5>police are saying, well, we told him put his hands

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:27.879
<v Speaker 5>behind his back. He has his hands up. He does

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 5>have a gun in his waistband. And again in Georgia,

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 5>as of March of twenty twenty two, there was the

0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 5>open concealed I mean open carry and conceal carry constitutional carry.

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 5>So because of our Governor Brian Kemp and the infinite

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 5>wisdom of the General Assembly, you can carry a gun

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 5>anywhere in Georgia, concealed or not, without a license, without anything.

0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:51.960
<v Speaker 5>You just have a gun because it's Georgia. So's they

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:54.399
<v Speaker 5>see the gun in the waistband. He's going to the ground.

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:56.719
<v Speaker 5>He's on the ground. Put your hands up, he's got

0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 5>his hands up. Put your hands behind your back. Before

0:41:58.560 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 5>he gets an opportunity to put his hands back.

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:01.360
<v Speaker 4>He's tased.

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:06.719
<v Speaker 5>Now he's in a manic episode, all right. It agitates him.

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:11.279
<v Speaker 5>He tries to remove the pain by running away from

0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:16.919
<v Speaker 5>the police. Now here's where the interpretation of videos diverge again.

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 5>You can't see where the gun is outside of when

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 5>you saw it in the waistband. Police are saying he

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:24.359
<v Speaker 5>took the gun out as he was running. I don't

0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:26.920
<v Speaker 5>see that, and I've seen the video four times. I

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:29.440
<v Speaker 5>see his hands, you see his hands. You see a

0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 5>napkin in one of the hands. Anyway, he runs around

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:35.120
<v Speaker 5>the back of the restaurant, comes back towards the opening

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:37.760
<v Speaker 5>fouryer and is tackled by the security guard.

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:39.239
<v Speaker 4>Security guard tackles him.

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:41.240
<v Speaker 5>Now my question is why is the security guard tackling

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:44.440
<v Speaker 5>him if law enforcement has been called to address this situation.

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:49.160
<v Speaker 5>The security guard tackles him, the gun goes off. You

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 5>don't see the gun being produced. I don't care how

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 5>much they slow it down and try to circle things.

0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:54.759
<v Speaker 4>It goes off.

0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:56.680
<v Speaker 5>We don't know who shot home, but we know a

0:42:56.760 --> 0:43:00.239
<v Speaker 5>gun goes off. He's on the ground, gun goes off,

0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 5>security guard rolls off. Police fired him five times. Now

0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:08.480
<v Speaker 5>here's where the anger of the family and myself and

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 5>others who had seen the video before. We'd seen the

0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:14.000
<v Speaker 5>video three times. The first time we saw the video

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:17.360
<v Speaker 5>was six months after the incident. The NAACP was invited

0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:20.240
<v Speaker 5>in to see the video. They stopped it right after

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:23.280
<v Speaker 5>the five seconds of the first shooting, so we didn't

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 5>know anything about a second shooting. So then a year

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 5>goes by, we meet with the mayor, the mayor of

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:31.920
<v Speaker 5>Grease to release the video to the family. We go

0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:35.360
<v Speaker 5>into see the video and we realized, low and behold,

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:39.240
<v Speaker 5>the first video was edited. So they played the second

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:42.560
<v Speaker 5>video where you see him run, he gets tackled, fires

0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:46.320
<v Speaker 5>five times, pauses, walks around a little bit.

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:48.600
<v Speaker 4>And then fire fires ten more times.

0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:51.440
<v Speaker 5>And my thing is, why are you firing into a

0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 5>man who's clearly down, He's clearly incapacitated, and you unload

0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:58.239
<v Speaker 5>fifteen shots into him. But that doesn't stop there. We

0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:02.160
<v Speaker 5>asked them to release the full unedited video a year ago.

0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 5>They do not release the video for whatever reason. Case

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:10.520
<v Speaker 5>is still open, so the family files a lawsuit last

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:14.440
<v Speaker 5>month and the police finally released the video. The edited

0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:18.040
<v Speaker 5>portion of the video with the editorialization and the attempts

0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:21.400
<v Speaker 5>to justify. Even though this case has not been justified,

0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:24.840
<v Speaker 5>the case is still open. It's in the District Attorney's office.

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:28.720
<v Speaker 5>The police. Atlanta police cannot justify a police involved shooting.

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:31.400
<v Speaker 4>Either the GBI or the DA has to do that.

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:35.800
<v Speaker 5>So the family is completely frustrated with the response of

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 5>law enforcement. One day, didn't show up in time to

0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:43.160
<v Speaker 5>address the mental health issue that my Nagel was having

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 5>two hours before. Then you show up at the restaurant,

0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 5>get erroneous information, You try to tase a man who's

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 5>trying to give up with his hands up. You chase him,

0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 5>the security guards tackles him, and then you unload fifteen

0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:58.880
<v Speaker 5>shots in him, and then you try to justify it.

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:02.360
<v Speaker 5>And so that's where we are. It's been two years

0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:06.120
<v Speaker 5>of a fight for transparency and justice. They have now

0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 5>told our friend, pastor Jamal Bryant, that they will finally

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:13.360
<v Speaker 5>release the unedited version. They told them that on Friday.

0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:16.080
<v Speaker 5>It's forty eight hours later. I still don't see it.

0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 5>So that's where we are. In Georgia, there's a systemic

0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:25.720
<v Speaker 5>police brutality issue. In Atlanta, there's a systemic police brutality issue,

0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:31.440
<v Speaker 5>and the attempt to diflect and divert continues from Rayshard

0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:35.600
<v Speaker 5>Brooks and Jimmy Atchison all the way now to Nagel

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 5>Cullins and also Deacon Johnny Holloman. There are so many

0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:43.200
<v Speaker 5>names in Georgia in Atlanta that need to be lifted up,

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:46.239
<v Speaker 5>and we're appreciative of you and until Freedom and so

0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 5>many others are standing with this family. But Georgia has

0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:52.280
<v Speaker 5>a police brutality problem. Atlanta has a police brutality problem,

0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 5>and Nagel Cullins is the face of that.

0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for that very clear synopsis of what has

0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 1>taken place here, because I've had people say, well, he

0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:11.280
<v Speaker 1>shot the security guard. They don't know that they're saying

0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:13.759
<v Speaker 1>it because that's either what the news has said or

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:18.799
<v Speaker 1>implied strongly implied. But have they tested the ballistics from

0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:23.840
<v Speaker 1>his gun and the wound of the police officer to

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean the security guard to one hundred percent either

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:30.719
<v Speaker 1>eliminade and or confirmed that it came from Nigel's gun.

0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:32.040
<v Speaker 4>No, they haven't.

0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:34.400
<v Speaker 5>And one of the interesting things now that I've seen

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:38.240
<v Speaker 5>the full two hours again, I was initially showed clips,

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 5>then another clip, but now I've had a chance to

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 5>see it all No, they haven't released the full GBI report,

0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 5>they haven't released the autops report, they haven't released the

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:50.200
<v Speaker 5>m's report, they haven't released the ballistics report. And interesting enough,

0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:52.279
<v Speaker 5>you know I am a criminal defense attorney, so I

0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:56.760
<v Speaker 5>deal with this all day long. When they declared Nigel dead,

0:46:57.160 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 5>they didn't bag his hands. The reason why you would

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.920
<v Speaker 5>bag so somebody's hands is to do GSR gun gun

0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:06.120
<v Speaker 5>residue on the hands to be able to definitively say

0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:09.319
<v Speaker 5>one they handle the gun and two they fired the gun.

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:11.920
<v Speaker 5>Because when you fire the gun, there are particles that

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:15.360
<v Speaker 5>eject from the firing of the bullets called stippling, that

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:18.080
<v Speaker 5>go backwards and they go forward, and you can tell

0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:20.719
<v Speaker 5>who is in contact with the gun and if they

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:23.160
<v Speaker 5>used it. So, I mean, it's easy ways they can

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:26.960
<v Speaker 5>prove allless. But all they're doing is putting a narrative

0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:30.399
<v Speaker 5>out there, and we would argue the narrative is incorrect,

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:33.800
<v Speaker 5>and that's why we are correcting the narrative. We want

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:37.800
<v Speaker 5>the truth to come out. We want transparency, and transparency

0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:41.920
<v Speaker 5>starts with if you're going to release the video, release

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:46.320
<v Speaker 5>everything so now that everyone can see what actually happened,

0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:49.799
<v Speaker 5>what the witnesses said, what now on one said, what

0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:53.840
<v Speaker 5>the medical examiners have said, what the GBI testers have said,

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:56.400
<v Speaker 5>and then of course the police involved shooting, so we

0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.960
<v Speaker 5>can determine what the security guard and the police officer are.

0:47:59.880 --> 0:48:00.440
<v Speaker 4>A see it.

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:04.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's interesting because even in the Breonna Taylor matter,

0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:10.319
<v Speaker 1>Kenny Walker was accused of shooting the officer, one of

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:13.759
<v Speaker 1>the officers in the knee in the leg I think

0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:18.880
<v Speaker 1>the knee, and they never tested or whether they tested

0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:21.680
<v Speaker 1>it or not, we don't know, because they never said.

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 1>They never one hundred percent confirmed that Kenny's bullet hit

0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the officer's knee with everybody shooting all around, Who the

0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:36.360
<v Speaker 1>hell knows how the officer was shot, right, We don't know,

0:48:36.880 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 1>but they tried to use it and to bilify Kenny. However,

0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 1>for some reason there was never one hundred percent confirmation.

0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Then ultimately the case against Kenny was dropped. And so

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I think this is a pattern that we see that

0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:56.520
<v Speaker 1>when there is a shooting, an officer involved shooting, there

0:48:56.600 --> 0:49:00.960
<v Speaker 1>is this this. You know, they say one thing, but

0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:05.080
<v Speaker 1>they never actually give you the proof to prove what

0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 1>they are using as their narrative to give them a

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:14.920
<v Speaker 1>reason for the use of force, and so that's interesting.

0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:17.440
<v Speaker 1>The other thing I see as a pattern is that

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:20.399
<v Speaker 1>they are slowing down videos. There was a time when

0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:22.719
<v Speaker 1>they would just put out a clip and cut some

0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:26.360
<v Speaker 1>part from it. Now they slow down the videos and

0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:28.440
<v Speaker 1>they are very clear. I was having a conversation with

0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Attorney Ben Crump about this. They know how to manipulate

0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:35.719
<v Speaker 1>the eyes what the eyes can see based upon the

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:38.359
<v Speaker 1>way they edit the footage and slow it down and

0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:40.839
<v Speaker 1>make it where it's very difficult for you and I

0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:45.120
<v Speaker 1>to understand the rapid speed of things as it happens.

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 1>And so these people are using tactics. This is not

0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:52.080
<v Speaker 1>like it's just a mishap or they are They have

0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:56.640
<v Speaker 1>very specific tactics for how they are going forward with

0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:02.840
<v Speaker 1>brutalizing and then misinforming, disinforming, as you said, the people.

0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:05.280
<v Speaker 1>So I know you are seeing that in your.

0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:08.880
<v Speaker 5>Cases absolutely, And what you know the public needs to

0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:13.880
<v Speaker 5>understand is in a case, the police or the state

0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:16.080
<v Speaker 5>have the burden to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

0:50:16.560 --> 0:50:19.800
<v Speaker 5>So slowing a video down life does not happen in

0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:23.280
<v Speaker 5>slow motion, if happens in real time. And the Supreme

0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:26.280
<v Speaker 5>Court has said that, you know officers have split second

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:29.680
<v Speaker 5>decision to make. They didn't say slow motion decisions to make,

0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:32.200
<v Speaker 5>and it has to be the reasonable officer. And so

0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:35.600
<v Speaker 5>in this particular case, it's not reasonable for an officer

0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:38.600
<v Speaker 5>to shoot somebody fifteen times, whether they have a gun

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:41.080
<v Speaker 5>or not, if they're not a threat when they're down

0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:44.640
<v Speaker 5>and so, and then an officer does not have the

0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:49.600
<v Speaker 5>right to encounter somebody if they don't have reasonable, articulable

0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:53.120
<v Speaker 5>suspicion that that person has committed a crime. So when

0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:59.040
<v Speaker 5>you initially taste Nigel Cullins, what crime was he reasonably

0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:02.799
<v Speaker 5>that you could artarticulate suspected of doing? He was in

0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:07.440
<v Speaker 5>a restaurant, lawfully, having a gun, eating a meal, and

0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:10.400
<v Speaker 5>he was not being disruptive. Even the two hours of

0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:12.759
<v Speaker 5>footage show he was not disruptive. So it wasn't this

0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:15.920
<v Speaker 5>only conduct. He wasn't obstructing because in George you have

0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:19.080
<v Speaker 5>a right to resist an unlawful arrest. But once you

0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:22.120
<v Speaker 5>got past the reasonable suspicion, which is to detain, that's

0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:24.560
<v Speaker 5>just the detained. They said they were going to arrest him.

0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:27.600
<v Speaker 5>So what's the probable cause that he committed a crime?

0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:31.480
<v Speaker 5>What is the more probable than not that he committed

0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:34.440
<v Speaker 5>a crime that I can charge him with. I'm still

0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:37.400
<v Speaker 5>asking that question. So from the point of the encounter,

0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:40.799
<v Speaker 5>which started at all, that's where we start our analysis,

0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:43.000
<v Speaker 5>and that analysis is faulty.

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:44.080
<v Speaker 4>So to get to the.

0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:48.600
<v Speaker 5>Point where a citizen, now the security officer who's now

0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:53.399
<v Speaker 5>intervening in a police investigation, tackles somebody, it sets all

0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:56.600
<v Speaker 5>that in motion. So while we're having these armchair quarterbacks

0:51:56.920 --> 0:52:00.880
<v Speaker 5>trying to do analysis based on a one sided narrative,

0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:04.239
<v Speaker 5>that's not what happens in court. And the burden is

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:08.160
<v Speaker 5>not on the family to justify anything. The burden is

0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:10.840
<v Speaker 5>on the police's.

0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Two last things. And I'm gonna let you go one

0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Fannie willis where does she fall in this entire scope

0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:23.080
<v Speaker 1>of mess? And I say that because you know, Fanny

0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:28.319
<v Speaker 1>has become beloved by black people. Black women specifically have

0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:33.200
<v Speaker 1>been supporting her because we know that the unfair treatment

0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:37.080
<v Speaker 1>that she has suffered and continues to suffer, you know,

0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:39.200
<v Speaker 1>is something that we have to stand up and speak

0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:42.359
<v Speaker 1>out about. Right we know that too many women are

0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:46.960
<v Speaker 1>sexualized and whoever we may be with or whatever's going

0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:50.040
<v Speaker 1>on in our personal lives is used against us in

0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:53.080
<v Speaker 1>ways that it does not always happen to men. Number one,

0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:57.319
<v Speaker 1>but it's also anytime we are strong, powerful women who

0:52:57.400 --> 0:53:01.880
<v Speaker 1>are willing, who have self determination and are willing to

0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:04.759
<v Speaker 1>go up against some of the most powerful go up

0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:08.680
<v Speaker 1>against the system, then you have these issues about who

0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:10.840
<v Speaker 1>we slept with, how we wear our hair, how we speak,

0:53:10.880 --> 0:53:13.439
<v Speaker 1>We're too loud, we're too angry, were too so these

0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:17.839
<v Speaker 1>are stick. This is a stigma that people recognize and

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:21.440
<v Speaker 1>immediately jumped on to support her. However, I had people

0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:24.480
<v Speaker 1>contacting me during the time where I, like others, was

0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:28.360
<v Speaker 1>posting Fanny and saying we need to support the sister, saying,

0:53:28.840 --> 0:53:36.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, we understand this moment, but her relationship to

0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:40.280
<v Speaker 1>prosecute prosecuting police officers who harm black and brown people

0:53:40.280 --> 0:53:44.920
<v Speaker 1>and particularly black people in Atlanta has not been great.

0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:47.600
<v Speaker 1>And so I wonder if you can speak to that

0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 1>really quickly, and then we can finish with you talking

0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:52.360
<v Speaker 1>about you said the family. You talked about the family.

0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:57.479
<v Speaker 1>I met mom, beautiful woman, young woman said the last

0:53:57.480 --> 0:54:00.719
<v Speaker 1>two years she's been going through hell, and I saw her.

0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I just wasn't expecting. I was expecting to see someone

0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:07.960
<v Speaker 1>a little bit older. I guess that's my own. I

0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:10.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know ignorance that I would dare to think that

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:13.240
<v Speaker 1>after all these years, with all of these different types

0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:16.759
<v Speaker 1>of mothers that I worked with, that I had this

0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:19.440
<v Speaker 1>idea of what she would look like. And when she

0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:26.680
<v Speaker 1>walked up, this is a beautiful, amazingly beautiful woman who

0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:29.160
<v Speaker 1>does not look like what I know she's been going

0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:32.279
<v Speaker 1>through and she was trying to get help for her son,

0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:36.279
<v Speaker 1>which really hurts me, you know, deeply. I want to

0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:39.399
<v Speaker 1>know how Fogo, as you said, Fogo de Child, I've

0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:42.600
<v Speaker 1>been calling it Fogo, how have they been responding to

0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:45.399
<v Speaker 1>this family. So that's the two things Fanny and then

0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Fogo de Child is the corporate side of this. What

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:49.880
<v Speaker 1>has been their response.

0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:55.440
<v Speaker 5>So Fani has had her special investigator unit meet with

0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:58.280
<v Speaker 5>the family on two occasions. They now have the case

0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:01.680
<v Speaker 5>and they're reviewing the case. And as you spoke, you know,

0:55:01.760 --> 0:55:07.000
<v Speaker 5>Fani is very intentional in how she handles police involved cases.

0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:10.640
<v Speaker 5>You know, she hasn't been as quick as the previous

0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:14.200
<v Speaker 5>district attorney to indict police officers and charge them and

0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:17.080
<v Speaker 5>try them, but she's working through it. And you know,

0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.200
<v Speaker 5>I've known Fannie Willis since I was nineteen and she

0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:24.839
<v Speaker 5>worked in the city Solicitor's office. She's a conscientious attorney. Now,

0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:26.759
<v Speaker 5>that does not mean I don't disagree with her. She'd

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.240
<v Speaker 5>be the first one to say, Gerald's like that friend

0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:31.600
<v Speaker 5>who you love to hate, and you know, I don't

0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:33.359
<v Speaker 5>want to talk to him when he gets in his

0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:36.800
<v Speaker 5>feelings about anything. So we fight. We fought in George

0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:39.319
<v Speaker 5>as long as trial aps. I disagree with her. I

0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:42.120
<v Speaker 5>still disagree with her, but she understands that when it

0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:45.720
<v Speaker 5>comes to the situations that are happening with the former

0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:48.319
<v Speaker 5>president of the United States, there's only one person in

0:55:48.360 --> 0:55:49.799
<v Speaker 5>Georgia that can call Fannie out.

0:55:49.960 --> 0:55:50.320
<v Speaker 4>That's me.

0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:54.160
<v Speaker 5>Anybody else we're going to have a problem because she

0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:58.120
<v Speaker 5>does when she has her mindset, do the right thing.

0:55:58.480 --> 0:56:01.520
<v Speaker 5>But sometimes she can be this waited to do other things.

0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:04.120
<v Speaker 5>So it's a love hate relationship.

0:56:04.520 --> 0:56:07.759
<v Speaker 1>I do respect her, it's the politics and as a prosecutor,

0:56:08.800 --> 0:56:13.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, prosecutors unfortunately are very close to police. I mean,

0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:17.000
<v Speaker 1>what we deal with, well, you want to be nice

0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:20.319
<v Speaker 1>about it today, the way you said it sounds really

0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:23.239
<v Speaker 1>nice and buttoned up. I would say that for the

0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:27.560
<v Speaker 1>last two years, either she knew that he was shot

0:56:27.600 --> 0:56:30.759
<v Speaker 1>and killed in such an egregious manner, or she didn't know.

0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:33.000
<v Speaker 1>And if she did not know that this happened because

0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:36.800
<v Speaker 1>she didn't see or have or whatever the full video,

0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:41.440
<v Speaker 1>then that raises the question of the police department and

0:56:41.440 --> 0:56:44.600
<v Speaker 1>how honest and forthcoming they have been with her office.

0:56:44.880 --> 0:56:47.400
<v Speaker 1>And so I don't know which one is, you know,

0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:49.239
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure you understand that we don't have to

0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 1>get into it today, but I still have questions about

0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:55.600
<v Speaker 1>that because what happened in Nigel Collins, it feels to

0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:58.600
<v Speaker 1>me like two years ago something should have been done,

0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:02.399
<v Speaker 1>and certainly indictment too have been handed down for these

0:57:02.400 --> 0:57:04.920
<v Speaker 1>police officers. But let's talk about the mom and fogo

0:57:05.000 --> 0:57:07.799
<v Speaker 1>to child, and then you can go for today. And

0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:09.440
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for being with me.

0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:14.000
<v Speaker 5>So Maya Cullins is a force of nature and like

0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:16.960
<v Speaker 5>you said, and I was in the same position when

0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:17.880
<v Speaker 5>I first met her.

0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:19.680
<v Speaker 4>You know, I was expecting.

0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:25.080
<v Speaker 5>An older woman who would have experienced this, but she

0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:28.680
<v Speaker 5>had Nigel very young. She's a very accomplished woman. She

0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:34.240
<v Speaker 5>has her PhD. She owns multiple mental health treatment facilities

0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:35.080
<v Speaker 5>throughout the state.

0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:36.640
<v Speaker 4>She does a lot of.

0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:41.960
<v Speaker 5>Civic engagement and a lot of community engagement, both in

0:57:42.080 --> 0:57:48.080
<v Speaker 5>making waycross Atlanta. She's a powerhouse media producer herself, with

0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:51.320
<v Speaker 5>TV movies that are on tub and one that's coming

0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:52.040
<v Speaker 5>to Netflix.

0:57:52.400 --> 0:57:53.320
<v Speaker 4>She's a force.

0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:57.400
<v Speaker 5>And when I first met her, she said, I love

0:57:57.520 --> 0:58:02.480
<v Speaker 5>my baby. They took my and they killed the right

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:05.280
<v Speaker 5>the wrong one, but they got the right mama. She

0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:08.360
<v Speaker 5>told that to the mayor directly. And so she's not

0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:12.120
<v Speaker 5>going to give up. She's as tenacious as me and

0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:16.400
<v Speaker 5>Tamika put together, and that's saying a lot. And she's

0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:19.080
<v Speaker 5>angry right now about what happened to her son when

0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:21.200
<v Speaker 5>she tried to get help, and she's not.

0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:21.960
<v Speaker 4>Going to stop.

0:58:22.320 --> 0:58:26.480
<v Speaker 5>And so the response of the restaurant hasn't been any response.

0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:29.040
<v Speaker 5>They haven't responded to the lawsuit yet. Hopefully they will

0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:33.520
<v Speaker 5>respond to the lawsuit and we'll handle it in court.

0:58:32.080 --> 0:58:36.160
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I mean, but you know, there's been really

0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:38.680
<v Speaker 5>no response. We see what the response is from the

0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:41.880
<v Speaker 5>police department. You know, they waited two years release this tape.

0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:44.080
<v Speaker 5>Now they're trying to justify the tape even though they

0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:48.840
<v Speaker 5>haven't justified the shooting through their internal you know, department

0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:51.120
<v Speaker 5>of Internal affairs or anything like that.

0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:52.800
<v Speaker 4>And the DA's office hadn't justified it.

0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:55.120
<v Speaker 5>So we're still at the same place we were two

0:58:55.160 --> 0:58:58.040
<v Speaker 5>years ago, except the world has seen the tape. And

0:58:58.120 --> 0:59:01.440
<v Speaker 5>I know people want to make quick assumptions about what

0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:03.640
<v Speaker 5>is or is not in the tape, But I would argue,

0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:06.200
<v Speaker 5>watching all two and a half hours, don't watch it

0:59:06.240 --> 0:59:09.160
<v Speaker 5>in slow motion, watch it as it happens. Watch the

0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:13.400
<v Speaker 5>reaction of the people in the restaurant as it's happening.

0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:16.280
<v Speaker 5>If Niger was such a threat, how come the people

0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:19.400
<v Speaker 5>didn't get scared until law enforcement started firing tasers, and

0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:23.760
<v Speaker 5>law enforcement started firing weapons right there in the vestibule

0:59:24.040 --> 0:59:25.280
<v Speaker 5>of a busy restaurant.

0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:26.240
<v Speaker 4>Those bullets could have.

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:29.240
<v Speaker 5>Gone anywhere, anywhere, fifteen shots, and it could have been

0:59:29.240 --> 0:59:32.000
<v Speaker 5>a whole lot of other people injured because they didn't

0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:35.800
<v Speaker 5>know how to deal appropriately with the mental mental health crisis.

0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you, Attorney General Griggs, our fighting brother, fighting attorney,

0:59:42.040 --> 0:59:44.320
<v Speaker 1>long time attorney. How long you've been an attorney.

0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:47.000
<v Speaker 4>I've been an attorney twenty years. I've been doing this

0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:47.480
<v Speaker 4>a long.

0:59:47.440 --> 0:59:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Term, fighting in the state of Georgia. We thank you

0:59:51.480 --> 0:59:55.000
<v Speaker 1>and we honor you because it's not easy to take

0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:59.000
<v Speaker 1>case after case after cases. You know, in the position

0:59:59.080 --> 1:00:01.960
<v Speaker 1>we sit in. We are often the only phone call

1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:05.320
<v Speaker 1>that people know to make and the only ones who respond,

1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:09.200
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes we have no answer for how to navigate

1:00:09.320 --> 1:00:13.760
<v Speaker 1>all the pieces of the difficulties of these situations, and

1:00:14.520 --> 1:00:20.160
<v Speaker 1>nothing in us has any certainty that the end result

1:00:20.440 --> 1:00:24.440
<v Speaker 1>will be favorable for our people. But we fight anyway,

1:00:24.600 --> 1:00:27.040
<v Speaker 1>and we see you out there. Griggs. You deal with

1:00:27.120 --> 1:00:30.439
<v Speaker 1>a lot. You deal with the haters, you deal with

1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:33.720
<v Speaker 1>the people who and I think now folks have started

1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:37.360
<v Speaker 1>to just say we can't beat Griggs. We just got

1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:39.960
<v Speaker 1>to join them, and you know, figure out how to

1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:43.280
<v Speaker 1>support you. And so I certainly always have and will

1:00:43.320 --> 1:00:46.520
<v Speaker 1>continue to be your sister and to support you. And

1:00:46.560 --> 1:00:48.479
<v Speaker 1>I want to help in any way that I can

1:00:48.640 --> 1:00:52.600
<v Speaker 1>until Freedom wants to help with Nigel. You know, for us,

1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:56.960
<v Speaker 1>we run towards difficult cases. I don't know why. So

1:00:57.000 --> 1:01:00.320
<v Speaker 1>don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that as if

1:01:00.320 --> 1:01:03.520
<v Speaker 1>it is a badge of honor, okay, because I wish

1:01:03.560 --> 1:01:07.360
<v Speaker 1>I could get cases that is cut and dry. The

1:01:07.440 --> 1:01:13.120
<v Speaker 1>thing happened, bam, you see it. That's it. I'm right, police,

1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:16.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, or whomever is involved. They lose and the

1:01:16.440 --> 1:01:20.440
<v Speaker 1>system just resets itself and does what's right and there's accountability.

1:01:20.880 --> 1:01:24.000
<v Speaker 1>That's not the case for us. We seem to take

1:01:24.200 --> 1:01:29.760
<v Speaker 1>on the cases that have layers. It's complex people. You know,

1:01:29.840 --> 1:01:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Brionna Taylor's ex boyfriend or whatever he was to her

1:01:33.720 --> 1:01:37.720
<v Speaker 1>was a drug dealer and therefore she was involved with it.

1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:42.680
<v Speaker 1>She was somehow kingpin herself. That's one case that Kenny,

1:01:43.320 --> 1:01:46.200
<v Speaker 1>her current boyfriend at the time that she was killed,

1:01:46.440 --> 1:01:50.080
<v Speaker 1>shot the cop George Floyd may or may not have

1:01:50.200 --> 1:01:54.120
<v Speaker 1>taken some drugs. You know, it's always layered. You know,

1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Ahmad Arby walked into the house a house that he

1:01:58.600 --> 1:02:03.360
<v Speaker 1>was trespassing on the property. These are the narratives out there,

1:02:03.800 --> 1:02:07.200
<v Speaker 1>and we take on those types of responsibilities. That causes

1:02:07.200 --> 1:02:09.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of stress. And I know you are definitely

1:02:09.480 --> 1:02:11.960
<v Speaker 1>you face that, but yet you still stand up. You

1:02:12.080 --> 1:02:16.080
<v Speaker 1>still have time to make brand new babies. This baby

1:02:16.160 --> 1:02:19.120
<v Speaker 1>is so beautiful. How old is your newest child.

1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:23.120
<v Speaker 5>He's four weeks last week, so he's going into his

1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:25.600
<v Speaker 5>fifth week now. So you know, and like you said

1:02:25.600 --> 1:02:28.720
<v Speaker 5>to me, we don't take the easy cases. You know, Ahmar,

1:02:29.120 --> 1:02:31.160
<v Speaker 5>they said he was trustpassed, even though there was no

1:02:31.160 --> 1:02:35.200
<v Speaker 5>trust passing signed down there in Sentilla shows, you know, Nigel,

1:02:35.320 --> 1:02:38.160
<v Speaker 5>they're saying he shot the security guard when the evidence

1:02:38.200 --> 1:02:40.560
<v Speaker 5>doesn't show that he shot the security guard. He shows

1:02:40.600 --> 1:02:42.920
<v Speaker 5>that there was a discharge with weapon when there was

1:02:42.960 --> 1:02:45.800
<v Speaker 5>a struggle. So, but we also focus on what the

1:02:45.880 --> 1:02:48.600
<v Speaker 5>law says. And so you know, the law said Amar

1:02:48.840 --> 1:02:51.240
<v Speaker 5>was not a trust passer. And there are three individuals

1:02:51.280 --> 1:02:54.240
<v Speaker 5>sitting in the prison cell in Georgia that gonna state

1:02:54.280 --> 1:02:56.800
<v Speaker 5>that the rest of their natural lives. And so, folks,

1:02:56.840 --> 1:02:58.600
<v Speaker 5>you gotta understand this.

1:02:58.720 --> 1:02:59.600
<v Speaker 4>Is not easy.

1:02:59.720 --> 1:03:02.360
<v Speaker 5>But we were built for this moment. We were built

1:03:02.400 --> 1:03:05.160
<v Speaker 5>for this time. We're gonna make sure we stand up

1:03:05.160 --> 1:03:08.040
<v Speaker 5>for our people. It's like Tamika, did you know she said,

1:03:08.160 --> 1:03:10.840
<v Speaker 5>until that's freedom for her people, she's gonna be doing

1:03:10.880 --> 1:03:13.080
<v Speaker 5>this work. So yeah, there's a lot of people out

1:03:13.120 --> 1:03:15.320
<v Speaker 5>here that don't like me. I really don't care. What

1:03:15.440 --> 1:03:17.920
<v Speaker 5>I care about is justice, and we are going to

1:03:17.960 --> 1:03:21.040
<v Speaker 5>pursue justice. We're gonna be just as bold and just

1:03:21.080 --> 1:03:23.800
<v Speaker 5>as opinionated as our ancestors, and we're gonna get that

1:03:24.000 --> 1:03:25.480
<v Speaker 5>justice one way or the other.

1:03:25.520 --> 1:03:27.360
<v Speaker 1>One way or the other. Thank you so much, Attorney

1:03:27.400 --> 1:03:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Gerald Griggs.

1:03:28.760 --> 1:03:29.560
<v Speaker 4>Appreciate you.

1:03:31.040 --> 1:03:34.240
<v Speaker 1>So Thank you again, Attorney Gerald Griggs for being with

1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:37.520
<v Speaker 1>us today. I mean, I think you are, you know, listening,

1:03:37.600 --> 1:03:40.280
<v Speaker 1>and you've taken the time to hear all of what

1:03:40.400 --> 1:03:44.960
<v Speaker 1>he stated in this interview. You hear someone who's not confused,

1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:48.120
<v Speaker 1>he is not off on the facts. He knows he's

1:03:48.160 --> 1:03:52.040
<v Speaker 1>been for two years dealing with Nigel Collins family, and

1:03:52.240 --> 1:03:55.680
<v Speaker 1>you know he's with at ease able to explain to

1:03:55.720 --> 1:03:58.200
<v Speaker 1>you why this case is so egregious and why what

1:03:58.400 --> 1:04:03.160
<v Speaker 1>happened to Nigel is illegal. It should be considered to

1:04:03.200 --> 1:04:05.840
<v Speaker 1>be legal by the courts in the state of Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>And we support one hundred percent the work that Gerald

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<v Speaker 1>Griggs is doing there along with Nigel Collins family. Next

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<v Speaker 1>week we're going to be back with our regularly scheduled programming.

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<v Speaker 1>This week is Mysan has had to go off and

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<v Speaker 1>work with the young people, which again my heart is

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<v Speaker 1>just I'm so proud of what he is doing and

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<v Speaker 1>what a vision that he had through our Boycott Black

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<v Speaker 1>Murder campaign and he has executed that vision. And I

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<v Speaker 1>am so excited to leave from sitting here in front

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<v Speaker 1>of this computed today talking to you all, to go

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<v Speaker 1>out and be a part of what I feel is

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<v Speaker 1>history in the making with these young people, that their

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<v Speaker 1>minds and hearts have been shifted, that they can see

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<v Speaker 1>a different way than the way that sometimes our culture

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<v Speaker 1>tries to tell them that being the most thugged out,

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<v Speaker 1>being the most violent and dangerous, that they are trauma

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<v Speaker 1>and their issues that they face in life, that they

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<v Speaker 1>should take the hard way, which is the violent way,

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<v Speaker 1>the dangerous way, the way that can lead them to

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<v Speaker 1>self destruction. That that's actually celebrated, That there are people

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<v Speaker 1>who will pay you for the music that exploits your trauma.

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<v Speaker 1>That there are systems that somehow will uplift you and

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<v Speaker 1>make you seem like you are a leader in our

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<v Speaker 1>community when you do wrong and when you are, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in my judgment, when you are a part of what

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<v Speaker 1>is bringing us down versus what is actually lifting us up.

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<v Speaker 1>There's too many different areas within our community that celebrates that,

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<v Speaker 1>and what we want to do is turn it around

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<v Speaker 1>and say that no, these groups, these people, this area,

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<v Speaker 1>this segment of our community that celebrates peace, people who yes,

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<v Speaker 1>are dealing with trauma, but are still committed to their

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<v Speaker 1>own upliftment and the upliftment of our community. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>we want to focus on. That's where we want to invest,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we want to show and lift and highlight

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<v Speaker 1>as a beacon of light in our community. And so

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<v Speaker 1>today I'm excited and I know that you all will

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<v Speaker 1>get an opportunity to hear the music, to meet the students,

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<v Speaker 1>their parents, the teacher, the music teacher that was involved,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course Principal Cook all that's coming up. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for joining TMI. We are working hard to bring

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