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Speaker 4: Good morning, Welcome to Breaking Points, Crystal. How are you

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Speaker 1: and start with some of the updates coming out of Israel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you all will recall Nzuela, the head of

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Speaker 6: underground tunnels, and we're going to win because we have

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Speaker 6: in our part of the world, Europe will be next

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Speaker 6: and America will be next, because the axis of terror

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Speaker 7: It's fighting your war.

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Speaker 1: So actively making the case that this is America's war

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Speaker 4: And I think that's why your war language is especially

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Speaker 1: We have not. I think that much has become incredibly

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Speaker 9: Judge and jury on this question.

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Speaker 10: But this war genocide is getting thrown around in a

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Speaker 10: make no mistake about it is genocide. Yes, there are

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Speaker 11: You asked me where I will beginning.

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Speaker 1: And Emily with regard to genocide. What he said was

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no consistency.

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Speaker 4: And the international rules based order is a rhetorical weapon

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Speaker 5: Civilization versus barbarism.

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Speaker 4: And in fact, actually, Crystal, we have some clips that

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Speaker 4: you know, show further undermining of that case of comments

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Speaker 4: that have been made by people in the Israeli government.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so, yeah, you're Lapede, who is supposedly like the

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Speaker 1: you know, moderate or liberal opposition figure in Israel, just

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Speaker 1: made the case that actually, majority of all the people

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Speaker 1: who have been killed in Gaza were terrorists. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a listen to that, and then I'll tell you on

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Speaker 1: the other side why this is such an issue.

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Speaker 12: You have to remember, Johnathan, many of the people who

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Speaker 12: were killed were terrorists. The majority of people who were

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Speaker 12: killed were Hamas terrorists. People are saying this number twelve

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Speaker 12: twelve thousand people who were killed. Yes, this is the

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Speaker 12: Hamas is an army of forty thousand people and many

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Speaker 12: of them were killed.

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Speaker 1: So this is like the moderate liberal version of the

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Speaker 1: case that has been made for many other Israeli officials

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Speaker 1: that basically everyone in Gaza is Hamas. Everybody in Gaza

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Speaker 1: is fair game, that there are no innocent civilians. And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I say that. Take a look

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Speaker 1: at this next piece. Put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So according to the UN, roughly seventy percent sixty seven

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Speaker 1: percent of all of the people killed are women, children,

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Speaker 1: and babies seventy percent. So when he's saying a majority

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Speaker 1: of the people who have been killed in Gaza, are terrorists?

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Speaker 1: Are the babies and children and women are they terrorists?

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Speaker 1: Are they hamas? And so again, this fits very closely

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Speaker 1: with the comments that we saw from Isaac Hertzog and

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Speaker 1: from many other Israeli officials and from our own Member

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Speaker 1: of Congress Brian mast here that effectively there are no

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Speaker 1: innocent civilians in Gaza. Therefore we don't really need to

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Speaker 1: worry about civilian life here, and anyone is fair game,

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Speaker 1: which fits in with the previous comments from John Kirby

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Speaker 1: about whether or not this is a genocide.

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Speaker 4: And problems with the numbers, which certainly exist as they

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Speaker 4: in any conflict, don't necessarily, by the way, mean that

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Speaker 4: you can deny seventy percent civilian casualties seventy percent women

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Speaker 4: and children casualties. So you can't jump from one point

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Speaker 4: being true, which is likely that there are some problems

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Speaker 4: with numbers, although in some analyzes it's that the numbers

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Speaker 4: are too low. You know, there's some analyzes that will say, well,

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Speaker 4: and you hear this a lot from Israel. We've heard

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Speaker 4: this from people in the Biden administration that the numbers

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Speaker 4: are actually inflated. But then you have other people saying

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Speaker 4: the numbers if anything.

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Speaker 5: Are too low.

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Speaker 4: So we know that they're squibbling over the numbers, and

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Speaker 4: we know there's no way that these numbers would be precise.

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Speaker 4: To take point A and then jump to point B,

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Speaker 4: which is that imprecise numbers mean most of the people

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Speaker 4: who are being killed are of course Hamas. This is

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Speaker 4: what we talked about yesterday when we talked about Osama

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Speaker 4: bin Laden's letter to America. The point Sager made about

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Speaker 4: how he justifies killing civilians from that perspective, which is

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Speaker 4: that you're able to say, you know, they use the

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Speaker 4: line that everyone voted for Hamas, which is not true,

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Speaker 4: although there is you know, there is support for Hamas

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Speaker 4: and Gaza. There's not denying that either. But also then

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Speaker 4: that because people just exist in Gaza in a way

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Speaker 4: that's supportive of Hamas. Although if you also believe Hamas

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Speaker 4: is evil and dictatorial, then it's true that they intimidate

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Speaker 4: their citizens out of uprising. So there's just a lot

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Speaker 4: of inconsistency. That's a great word I think that you

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Speaker 4: use a couple of minutes ago. There's a lot of

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Speaker 4: inconsistency in these arguments, and sadly, the people who are

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Speaker 4: being caught up in the mix are civilians.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, and also an attempt to justify not

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Speaker 1: only the killing of civilians but of AID workers. We

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Speaker 1: also have this clip of an Israeli government spokesperson who says, now,

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Speaker 1: actually the World Health Organization is also Hamas. So we

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Speaker 1: already had them making the case of the UN that

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Speaker 1: un AID workers are Hamas. You know, the hospital is Hamas,

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Speaker 1: all of the schools, all of the apartment buildings, this

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Speaker 1: is all Hamas. You know, according to yager Laped, majority

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Speaker 1: of those killed, the women, children, babies, this is also Hamas.

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Speaker 1: Now we have them arguing, this is an official Israeli

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Speaker 1: government spokesperson that actually the World Health Organization is Hamas too.

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Speaker 13: Let's take a liston It is tragic and outrageous that

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Speaker 13: the World Health Organization resisted Israel's calls for an evacuation

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Speaker 13: before the start of the ground operation and is now

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Speaker 13: calling on Israel to facilitate that evacuation under fire in

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Speaker 13: an active war zone. We hold it complicit with Hamas's

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Speaker 13: human shield strategy. We hold it complicit with any loss

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Speaker 13: of life from its gross negligence, and we know that

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Speaker 13: despite completing a risk assessment about the Sheafa Hospital. That

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Speaker 13: assessment still covers up for Hamas's abuse of the hospital,

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Speaker 13: still says nothing about the hostages, and the World Health

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Speaker 13: Organization is yet to condemn astonishingly Hamas's illegal exploitation of

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Speaker 13: hospitals as human shields, jeopardizing their protected status.

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Speaker 1: And finally, in what is maybe the most extraordinary recent comments,

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Speaker 1: and you know, rather than go on back and playing

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Speaker 1: all of them for you, we've covered many of these

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Speaker 1: comments before, coming out from you know, the Likud party,

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Speaker 1: from security Cabinet members, et cetera. Put this up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. You've got Israel's Finance minister saying they completely

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Speaker 1: agree with this column from the retired Major General Giora Island,

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Speaker 1: former head of the National Security Council, is an influential figure.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, what was in this ap ed that

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Speaker 1: the finance minister agrees one percent with In part Giora

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Speaker 1: Island rights, the way to win the war faster and

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Speaker 1: at a lower cost for us requires a system collapse

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Speaker 1: on the other side, and not the mere killing of

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Speaker 1: Morhammas fighters. The international community warns us of a humanitarian

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Speaker 1: disaster in Gaza and of severe epidemics. We must not

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Speaker 1: shy away from this, as difficult as that may be.

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Speaker 1: After all, severe epidemics in the south of the Gaza

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Speaker 1: Strip will bring victory closer and reduce casualties among IDF soldiers.

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Speaker 1: And no, this is not about cruelty for cruelty's sake,

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Speaker 1: since we don't support the suffering of the other side

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Speaker 1: as an end, but as a means. So we support

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Speaker 1: the suffering of the other side as a means out

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Speaker 1: actively calling for severe epidemics in the south of the

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Speaker 1: Gaza Strip, which is where, of course they told all

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Speaker 1: the civilians to flee to from the northern Gaza Strip,

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Speaker 1: and pushing back on the idea that we should care

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Speaker 1: at all about the well being of the ordinary civilians

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Speaker 1: within Gaza. And again this is Israel's Finance minister who

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Speaker 1: says they completely agree with this view of the conflict. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's really extraordinary to me Emily just the

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Speaker 1: distance between the way that our leaders present this conflict

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Speaker 1: and present the Israeli position, the Israeli approach, the Israeli

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Speaker 1: plans for after they end the war, and after there

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Speaker 1: is a ceasefire at some point, what happens next, and

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Speaker 1: what the actual Israeli government is out saying very clearly

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Speaker 1: in op eds, in public statements on Israeli television day

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Speaker 1: after day.

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Speaker 4: Well, and this is like several weeks ago when there

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Speaker 4: was a lot of talk of Dresden, right, there were

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Speaker 4: all of the sort of representatives of talking heads that

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Speaker 4: were going to the media. We're saying, you know, listen,

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Speaker 4: we remember what happened at Dresden, we remember what war

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Speaker 4: looks like. And it's very i think different from how

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Speaker 4: a lot of people perceive. And in fact, actually we

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Speaker 4: just heard John Kirby talking about how Israel doesn't have

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Speaker 4: genocidal ambitions towards Hamas that match Hamas's genocidal ambitions towards Israel,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's actually really important. I mean, one

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Speaker 4: of the benefits of talking to you and Ryan and

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Speaker 4: doing a show like this is you actually see some

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Speaker 4: really dangerous flirtation from you know, when you're digging into

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Speaker 4: stuff like this, you're looking at the rhetoric of people

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Speaker 4: who are actually in positions of power in Israel, not

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Speaker 4: all perfect, not all perfect, and you wouldn't you know,

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Speaker 4: know that from a lot of Western media coverage. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean I think that's really really deeply unfortunate, and

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Speaker 4: it should be a wake up call about sort of

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Speaker 4: if we go back to net Nyahu's saying, this is

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Speaker 4: we're fighting.

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Speaker 5: Your war, fighting your war, Well, what is our war?

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Speaker 4: Are we in agreement with netan Yahoo on what that

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Speaker 4: war actually is and how it should be prosecuted?

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Speaker 5: I think not.

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Speaker 4: I think the American people are certainly not in agreement

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Speaker 4: with how that should be prosecuted. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 4: and again, this is the frustrating thing. Are they probably

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Speaker 4: right and we may disagree on this, but are they

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Speaker 4: probably right that there's complicity at the World Health Organization

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Speaker 4: and the UN in ways that are inappropriate in order

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Speaker 4: to function in Gaza. That's a really difficult thing for NGOs,

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Speaker 4: And we're actually going to talk about how it's difficult

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Speaker 4: for journalists in the next block. There are some obvious obstacles,

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Speaker 4: and I think they're right that there has been complicity.

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Speaker 4: There have been troubling relationships and connections with the World

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Speaker 4: Health Organization in the UN as they've operated in Gaza

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Speaker 4: over the course of years. That does not jump that

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Speaker 4: You you can't just take that point and jump to

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Speaker 4: point B. You can't go from A to B and

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Speaker 4: say that they're all their numbers are wrong. The World

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Speaker 4: Health Organization calculating seventy percent civilian casualties are women and

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Speaker 4: children casualties. That doesn't mean the numbers are wrong. It

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Speaker 4: doesn't mean you can continue to deny the full reality.

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Speaker 1: The Geneva Conventions came out of the horrors of World

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Speaker 1: War Two with this global idea of we can never

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Speaker 1: we can never have war. Look like we're going to

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Speaker 1: have war. It's going to happen. It's apparently an unavoidable

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Speaker 1: fact of human life. But civilians in particular should be

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Speaker 1: completely off limits. Civilian infrastructure like hospitals should be completely

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Speaker 1: off limits, and there was some consensus around that. Now

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Speaker 1: has it ever been applied perfectly? Of course not, of

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Speaker 1: course not. But when you pair our stated aims in

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Speaker 1: Ukraine and our claim to really adhere to the international

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Speaker 1: WUS space Order really be out there in the world

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Speaker 1: trying to make sure every country is, you know, consistent

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Speaker 1: with the rules of war and with the international rules

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Speaker 1: based order that has been laid out post World War Two,

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Speaker 1: When you lay that beside the comments from our officials, Oh,

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Speaker 1: who could say whether they are war crimes. I don't

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Speaker 1: really know, not really an expert, is it genocide? No,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really know. I'm not really an expert. Well,

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Speaker 1: guess what there are experts who are looking at If

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Speaker 1: you're not an expert, I'm not an expert. There are

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Speaker 1: experts that are looking at this that are saying yes,

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Speaker 1: very clearly. When you have put Al Shifa aside, if

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Speaker 1: you want to take, you know, the Israeli side of okay,

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Speaker 1: how many other hospitals have been bombed, how many other

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Speaker 1: schools have been bombed, how many refugee camps have been

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Speaker 1: bombed at this point, how high is the civilian death toll.

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Speaker 1: It's not hard to see plainly what is happening and

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Speaker 1: what is unfolding here. And so I don't think the US.

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Speaker 1: You know, this was already a problem for the US

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Speaker 1: after the Iraq War and that debacle. I don't think

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Speaker 1: they can ever go and with a shred of credibility

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Speaker 1: lecture anyone in the world about war crimes, about anything

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Speaker 1: to do with humanitarianism, about the laws of war, about

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Speaker 1: the international rules based order. It's over, but that's done.

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Speaker 5: That's part of the problem here.

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Speaker 4: And again this goes back to when we were talking

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Speaker 4: about the bin laden letter to America. That's part of

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Speaker 4: the problem here is not just the shattered credibility, but

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Speaker 4: the insistence on that credibility in other parts of the world.

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Speaker 5: That is grating for.

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Speaker 4: People who are still you know, in I Rock or

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Speaker 4: in Afghanistan. And that's why these groups continue to proliferate.

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Speaker 4: That's why it's like whack a mole with groups in

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Speaker 4: the terrorist groups in the Middle East is precisely because

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Speaker 4: that credibility has been lost over the course of years,

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Speaker 4: and then on top of it, we continue to try

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Speaker 4: to throw around this credibility as though it's totally intact.

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Speaker 5: And again, this is what's frustrating.

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Speaker 4: It's that you know, and I know probably a lot

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Speaker 4: of people in our audience disagree with this. I do

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Speaker 4: think the United States has the moral high ground here,

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Speaker 4: but thinking that doesn't mean that the United States is perfect,

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Speaker 4: is morally perfect and morally immaculate. Thinking that the United

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Speaker 4: States has moral high ground over another power doesn't mean

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Speaker 4: that the United States is morally impeccable.

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Speaker 5: And so those things.

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Speaker 4: Are not They don't have to go completely together. And

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Speaker 4: to not be able to acknowledge where those mistakes are

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Speaker 4: being made, I think is I actually think it's amazing

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Speaker 4: that we live in a country. In fact, I think

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Speaker 4: this is part of where we have the moral high ground,

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Speaker 4: that we can have conversations like this that are highly critical.

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Speaker 4: So it just needs to trickle into the high profile

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Speaker 4: conversations and not just being independent media.

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Speaker 1: Before this moment, I might have been able to agree

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Speaker 1: with that, and might have been able to make the case.

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Speaker 1: But when I see us day after day and Biden

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Speaker 1: aggressively saying no cease fire in spite of the fact

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Speaker 1: that two thirds of Americans and eighty percent of Democrats

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Speaker 1: want to cease fire, in spite of the fact that,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this horror of these babies done, five premature

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Speaker 1: babies dying, the siege of two point two million people,

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Speaker 1: denying them food and water and just the basics of life,

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Speaker 1: you know, enabling that funding that providing diplomatic cover for that. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we have the moral high ground. I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's any way that we could claim that

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Speaker 1: versus anyone in the world at this point.

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Speaker 4: I disagree on that, especially when it you know, jexaposed

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Speaker 4: with the case of Hamas, juxtaposed with the case of

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Speaker 4: I mean, even in Ukraine, I still think we have

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Speaker 4: the moral high ground. As bitterly as I disagree with

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Speaker 4: our policy there, but the perspective that I think you

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Speaker 4: just shared is going to be increasingly powerful with a

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Speaker 4: wideswath of the American people, There's no question about it.

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Speaker 1: All Right, let's talk about what's happening for journalists both

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Speaker 1: here and abroad.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, this is a really interesting case.

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Speaker 4: Actually that kind of relates to what we were just

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Speaker 4: talking about with the United Nations and with the World

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Speaker 4: Health Organization. Journalists have a really hard time operating at GAZLA,

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Speaker 4: which means that some major media outlets are using freelancers

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Speaker 4: or they're sort of forced to rely on the work

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Speaker 4: of freelancers. Let's put this first element up on the screen.

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Speaker 4: News from yesterday, an NBC journalist was arrested by the

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Speaker 4: Israeli police for cheering on Hamas during horrific terr attack.

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Speaker 4: That is a headline from National Reviews, So it's coming

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Speaker 4: from the right. Just read a little bit of.

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Speaker 5: The story here. Quote.

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Speaker 4: An East Jerusalem based NBC journalist was arrested last week

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Speaker 4: on suspicion of inciting terrorism and identifying with a terrorist

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Speaker 4: organization in connection with several social media posts she published

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Speaker 4: on October seventh, during the Hamas terror attacks. Marwat al Aza,

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Speaker 4: a freelance producer who started working with the network shortly

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Speaker 4: before the war began, wrote, in response to the kidnapping

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Speaker 4: of an elderly woman, quote it's killing me. It's a

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Speaker 4: black comedy. The old woman looks happy, a bit of

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Speaker 4: action before she dies, that's per reporting in Haretz. Sirens

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Speaker 4: all the time, she wrote. In another post, the Jews

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Speaker 4: are hiding and the Arabs are out drinking coffee on

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Speaker 4: their balconies. She wrote in another post, I feel like

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Speaker 4: I'm watching a movie where the directors Palestinian and the

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Speaker 4: protagonists are from Gaza. Now, police, according to National Reviews,

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Speaker 4: hold the Jerusalem Magistrate Court that the posts were quote

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Speaker 4: inciting and glorifying the horrible acts committed against civilians. As

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Speaker 4: the Jerusalem Post has reported, authorities say that she is

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Speaker 4: cooperating with police, and she admitted to writing the posts.

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Speaker 4: She actually quote arrived ready for arrest, according to the

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Speaker 4: Jerusalem Post report, Now we can go to the next

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Speaker 4: element because this is not the only case that's been

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Speaker 4: happening with you know, you could call it in this case,

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Speaker 4: there's a claim that this is cheering on Hamas. But

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Speaker 4: in the case of this La Time story, which continues

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Speaker 4: to play out, this is a Seamophore headline. If you're watching,

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Speaker 4: you see it up on the screen. The La Times

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Speaker 4: blocked reporters who signed an open letter criticizing Israel from

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Speaker 4: covering Gaza, which is kind of an interesting and crystal

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Speaker 4: We can get into this conversation about media ethics that

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Speaker 4: this broaches. But as Semaphore puts it, the La Times

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Speaker 4: has prohibited staff from covering the Gaza war for at

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Speaker 4: least three months if they signed a strongly worded open

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Speaker 4: letter criticizing Israel's military operations in the region. So this

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Speaker 4: is a letter people probably remember it actually from earlier

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Speaker 4: this month. It called on newsrooms to use language including

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Speaker 4: quote apartheid, ethnic cleansing, and genocide when referring to the

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Speaker 4: Israeli bombardment of Gaza to people with knowledge of the

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Speaker 4: situation told Semaphor that staffers who signed the letter have

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Speaker 4: been told by the papers management that they will not

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Speaker 4: be able to cover the conflict in any way for

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Speaker 4: at least two months. So that comes from two sources.

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Speaker 4: To Semaphore, we have one more story here as well,

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Speaker 4: and this one is if people have been following the

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Speaker 4: work of this Palestinian poet, the sad news is he

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Speaker 4: has been taken from his family and detained in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: He's in IDF custody. Masab Abu Taha poet. This is

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Speaker 4: an element from the New Yorker. The New Yorker had

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Speaker 4: published had published this at masab abuteo Ha.

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Speaker 5: So had the Nation.

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Speaker 4: I actually went and read some of his poetry last night, Crystal.

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Speaker 4: It's really wonderful.

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Speaker 5: But another.

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Speaker 4: Artist in this case, in IDF custody in detention, actually

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Speaker 4: had written this war. This is actually you can see

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Speaker 4: on the screen again if you're watching when the warren

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Speaker 4: Gaza started, My family fled to the Jabalia refugee camp.

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Speaker 5: Then Israel started bombing the camp. So it's a first person.

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Speaker 4: Essay about what it was like to be in Jabaaliah.

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Speaker 4: It's a beautiful writing. Actually, whatever whatever side you're on

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Speaker 4: in this, it's beautiful writing. And the broader I think

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Speaker 4: questions here, Crystal are about how Western media outlets are

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Speaker 4: able to cover this case study on the or are

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Speaker 4: able to cover this story with the case study in

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Speaker 4: the first situation reminding a lot of people of The

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Speaker 4: New York Times rehiring that freelancer who had posted in

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Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, I love Hitler, et cetera, et cetera, and

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Speaker 4: there had been some other cases of that too, because

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Speaker 4: you're relying on freely answers in Gaza, and there's obviously

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Speaker 4: support for Hamas in Gaza.

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Speaker 5: So it creates this strained situation.

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Speaker 4: For Western media outlets that aren't really able to go

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Speaker 4: into Gaza and have a hard time doing independent coverage.

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Speaker 4: As we were talking about yesterday when they were just

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Speaker 4: following the idef through tunnels and CNN just taking the

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Speaker 4: ideas a narrative and running with it like it was

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Speaker 4: the gospel. That's extremely difficult. That's going to continue to

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Speaker 4: be extremely difficult for Western media outlets. On the other hand,

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Speaker 4: the scene before story is just crazy to me because

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Speaker 4: and even as somebody who disagrees with the letter saying

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Speaker 4: that Western media outlets should be using ethnic cleansing and

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Speaker 4: apartheid and that kind of genocide and that kind of

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Speaker 4: language and their coverage, because the La Times pretends to

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Speaker 4: be a neutral arbiter of the truth, and so as

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Speaker 4: long as you're pretending to be neutral. This letter is ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: But what the letter suggests is that they know that

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Speaker 4: the La Times. That's bullshit, that the La Times is

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Speaker 4: not neutral, that they take sides. So this is their

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Speaker 4: own saying if you take sides, if you're gonna take

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Speaker 4: sides Donald Trump versus Hillary Clinton, take a damn side here,

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Speaker 4: what's your problem. It's calling the bluff of the paper basically.

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Speaker 1: So a few things. First of all, let me start

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Speaker 1: with the National Review piece that was like, oh, this

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Speaker 1: NBC report cheering on the fact that a journalist for

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Speaker 1: NBC was arrested for quote unquote inciting terrorism, right. I

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Speaker 1: mean you read the comments the posts. Yeah, they were

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Speaker 1: not like yay humus. You might say, they were like

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Speaker 1: mildly and poor taste. That's about as far as I

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Speaker 1: would go with this. And this journalist was arrested, completely agree.

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Speaker 1: And your complaint is about the news organizations, not about

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Speaker 1: the fact that a journalist was arrested for a social

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Speaker 1: media post. That's insane, and you know, especially coming from

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Speaker 1: a conservative outlet that you know, conservatives have now for

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Speaker 1: years been cancel culture and the deep state, and they're

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Speaker 1: coming for any sort of dissent and dissident opinions, like

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Speaker 1: nothing has happened approaching this and you're out there cheering

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Speaker 1: that on. That is insane. That's number one.

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Speaker 4: Well, also, we're funding Israel about a fifth of their

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Speaker 4: military funding is from US, so it's not as though

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Speaker 4: it has nothing to do with the United States.

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Speaker 5: Correct.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly right. And that's such an important point

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Speaker 1: when people ask, oh, why do you care so much

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Speaker 1: about this content? Because we're funding it, because we're enabling it,

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Speaker 1: because we're backstopping it, and so that's also why we

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Speaker 1: should care about what's happening here. With regard to journalists.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I just looked at the numbers from

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Speaker 1: euromed Monitor with regards to your comments only about how

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Speaker 1: difficult it is to cover what's happening in Gaza in

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Speaker 1: any sort of an independent fashion. Sixty journalists have been

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Speaker 1: killed in Gaza. This is more than any other conflict.

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Speaker 1: So even if you feel like you know, while the

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Speaker 1: only thing we can rely on is like the Palestinities

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Speaker 1: are on the ground, of course at this point that's

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Speaker 1: the only thing you can rely on, because you know,

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Speaker 1: Western journalists are not allowed into the Gaza strip outside

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Speaker 1: of some like bullshit IDF propaganda ride along. They are

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Speaker 1: massacring those journalists and their families, by the way, so

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Speaker 1: it makes it even more impossible to have any understanding

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Speaker 1: and any connection with the humanity that is unfolding and

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Speaker 1: what is happening on the ground right now. So there's

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Speaker 1: that with regard to the La Times and this letter,

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Speaker 1: which not only called for, you know, words to be

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Speaker 1: used in the with the proper definition that those words

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Speaker 1: actually mean. So, for example, ethnic cleansing, you already have

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Speaker 1: almost i think is one point eight million people out

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Speaker 1: of the two point two million in Gaza forcibly displaced.

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Speaker 1: You have official government documents coming out saying our ideal

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Speaker 1: solution is to push them out of Gaza altogether into

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Speaker 1: the Egyptian desert. That you may not like. That that's ethnic.

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Speaker 1: That is the textbook definition of ethnic cleansing. So the

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Speaker 1: fact that you are penalizing journalists who are saying we

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Speaker 1: should use these words to mean what these words mean

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Speaker 1: is crazy. And the letter also said that these outlets

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Speaker 1: should be speaking out against the killing of journalists. So

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Speaker 1: it wasn't even like this letter was like quote unquote

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Speaker 1: taking aside in the conflict. You know, a lot of

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Speaker 1: newsrooms have policies against protests or against signing on these

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Speaker 1: letters in an activist direction. This was directly about the

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Speaker 1: job of the paper, and so to penalize these reporters

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Speaker 1: for saying this is the appropriate way to cover this conflict,

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Speaker 1: I think it's outrageous. And by the way, at LA Times,

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Speaker 1: to their credit, is also the first I think American

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Speaker 1: news outlet like newspaper to call for a ceasefire. So

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not that the editorial board or others

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Speaker 1: there aren't aware of what's unfolding on the ground. So

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Speaker 1: I find that sort of censorship outrageous. And many of

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Speaker 1: the reporters apparently who were taken off of coverage were

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Speaker 1: some of the people at like the deepest knowledge and

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Speaker 1: who you know, had connections to the region, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So it's a real loss in terms of their coverage.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, obviously it's horrific what's happening here

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Speaker 1: with the New Yorker contributor and poet, founder of the

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Speaker 1: Edward Zei Library who was detained now by the IDF.

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Speaker 1: And there's so much hypocrisy here from Western media outlets

869
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: who pretended to care so dearly about press freedom in

870
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: the Trump era, and now silence, silence, as all of

871
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: this is unfolding, Emily, like you, I read some of

872
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: masab Abu Toha's work after I saw that he had

873
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: been detained, arrested by the IDF and is being held captive, hostage,

874
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: whatever I want to say. His wife has no idea

875
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: where he is at this point, and he's, you know,

876
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: an extraordinary, an extraordinary person, an extraordinary writer. At the

877
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: end of that piece from The New Yorker, he wrote, recently,

878
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: my wife dreamed that she was collecting frozen meat. In

879
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: her dream, she was saying, this is my son's arm,

880
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: this is my daughter's leg. If not for the war,

881
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: I would be playing soccer with my friends twice a week.

882
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: I would be watching movies with my wife. I would

883
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: be reading the books on my shelves. I would be

884
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: taking my kids to the playground into the beach. I'd

885
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: be riding my bike with my son Yazan, on the

886
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: beach road. But now there are no books, and there

887
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: are no shelves and no beach road. It is invaluable.

888
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: It is crucial that we have voices like that helping

889
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: people to understand the human beings, so they don't just

890
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: turn into numbers and statistics that oftentimes make people's eyes

891
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: glaze over. To have a voice like that silenced is

892
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: a real loss for everyone. I don't care what quote

893
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: unquote side you're on, if you're on the side of

894
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: human beings, it's a real loss to lose that voice

895
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: and not have access to that humanity.

896
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 4: Certainly lucky to get out of Jaba Leah safely and

897
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 4: to now be detained and to have the sort of

898
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Speaker 4: a tension of other people around the world on his situation.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm very curious how it unfolds.

900
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 4: I'm very curious actually, how the IDF, which again the

901
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 4: IDF is detaining him reportedly, how they react now that

902
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 4: this is becoming more front and center in the conversation.

903
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 5: Curious about that, Crystal.

904
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's get to Cardi B here and

905
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: her thoughts on the world. So she thinks we're so

906
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: excited for this second, Well, I love Cardi B. I

907
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: genuinely love Cardi B. And I even forgive her. She

908
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: has like some cringe takes on taxes.

909
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 5: It takes on taxes, ime care.

910
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put that to the side because I

911
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: love Cardi b And she went on, what was this

912
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: Instagram live or something? I think so, yeah, and she

913
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: went off. This was like a ten minute diatribe. I

914
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: personally recommend you watch the whole thing, but we pulled

915
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: some of the highlights. This has to do with Mayor

916
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: Eric Adams and massive cuts that he announced to a

917
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Speaker 1: bunch of like social spending, education, libraries, police even this

918
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the fun. The police guy is

919
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: cutting the police budget in New York and also sounding

920
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: off about Joe Biden and the various wars that we

921
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: have involved ourselves in. All right, so we're gonna play

922
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 1: this for you. Warning kids, earmuffs out of the room. Whatever,

923
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of language here. Let's take a listen.

924
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 14: I'm not this year. Don't ask me. I don't give

925
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 14: the resume that they saying.

926
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Speaker 11: I don't give.

927
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 14: I'm not endorsing no in presidents no more, because how

928
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 14: is that a hundred hundred million dollar budget cut in

929
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 14: New York City for schools, Library of Police, Safety and Sanitation. Yeah,

930
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 14: Joe Biden is talking about like, yeah, we could fund

931
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 14: two wars.

932
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: We could fund two wars.

933
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 14: Mothers talking about we don't got it, but we got it.

934
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 14: We're the greatest nation nother. We're not We're going through

935
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 14: some ship right now, like say it saying we're really

936
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 14: going through We're really really really really really really really

937
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 14: really really really are right now. And yeah, we're talking

938
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Speaker 14: about we could fund two wars. That's not a tron

939
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 14: of front, Like, yeah, I got the money to support

940
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 14: two bitches, but you really don't y'all talk about y'all't

941
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 14: fucking y'all. Don't make negotiat negotiation with the hopsbod y'all

942
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 14: need to set the down with these people and find

943
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 14: a and find agreement. No, we can we have fun

944
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 14: these wars.

945
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: We can't keep it a bean. We can't.

946
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 14: I told myself this week, Like, Yo, the incident right

947
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 14: now is too dark because celebrity drama.

948
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Speaker 1: Of course, we we love it, we.

949
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 14: Infuse with it, we watch it, but it's like, yo,

950
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 14: that's little almost really going on in the world right now.

951
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 14: That's nothing compare what's going on in the world right now.

952
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: So she's going off about cuts to the schools that

953
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: actually at one point she brings up the cops and

954
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: she's like, well, I don't really care about the cops,

955
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: but She goes on to talk a lot about the

956
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: cops and how crime's going to be through the roof,

957
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: and they cut the sanitation budget. There's a whole piece

958
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: where she's talking about how rats are going to take

959
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: over the city. She's also talking about then she throws

960
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: in Joe Biden says she's never going to endorse another

961
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: president again, we can't afford these wars. We got to

962
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Speaker 1: get out of these wars. What's your what's your view, Emily.

963
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Speaker 4: She's channeling everyone, you know, it feels like they're basic.

964
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 4: There are basic things that we should be able to

965
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Speaker 4: do as a society that like we cannot perform the

966
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Speaker 4: most basic function of a city of a country right now.

967
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Speaker 4: And I'm not trying to like overanalyze this, but I

968
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Speaker 4: feel like that's actually really what she's talking about. Like again,

969
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 4: this is the quote. She says, how is there one

970
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 4: hundred million dollar budget cut in New York City for

971
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 4: effing schools, library, police, safety, and sanitation? And Joe Biden

972
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 4: is talking about like, yeah, we could fund two wars.

973
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 4: We could fund two wars. And actually, in the daily

974
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 4: sort of political discourse, one thing I think it gets lost,

975
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 4: but you guys do a great job focusing on it

976
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 4: is where our scores from education are. And like the

977
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 4: rapid drop in scores that are coming out of students

978
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 4: performance over the lasting five to ten years, they're shocking,

979
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 4: they're staggering, and so yeah, for a lot of people,

980
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 4: they look at one hundred and twenty million dollar budgetut

981
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 4: in New York as she's talking about schools, public libraries,

982
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 4: and the police department. You know, I don't give enough

983
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 4: about the cops, but like it is what it is.

984
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 4: I mean, like New York City again feels like it's

985
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 4: unable to perform basic functions, but so does the country

986
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 4: as a whole when you're looking at again two wars.

987
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 4: Also another thing you guys have been good about focusing on.

988
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 4: When you look at the numbers of money that we've

989
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 4: sent to Ukraine and you compare it to our normal budget,

990
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 4: our normal like foreign aid in other places, the amount

991
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 4: of money that we spend on things here in the

992
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 4: United States, it's staggering. How much money we have sent

993
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 4: to Ukraine is like truly a shocking number. Even when

994
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 4: you follow these things closely, you look at the number,

995
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 4: it's shocking. And so yeah, when you look around you

996
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 4: and you feel like your government that you are. This

997
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 4: connects to her position on taxes. She's gets a huge

998
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 4: chunk of her paycheck taken out and then looks at

999
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 4: budget cuts and sees rats running around the city, and

1000
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 4: it's like, well, if that's how a multimillionaire feels, how

1001
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: do the rest of people feel when it's like I'm

1002
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: paying thirty percent to the federal government, I'm paying x

1003
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 4: amount to my state government depending where I live, and

1004
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 4: we can't even teach kids math.

1005
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I honestly have never been more sympathetic to that. Obviously,

1006
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: I think the rich should pay their first, and the

1007
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: tax rate is progressive and all of that stuff like

1008
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: still stands that I've always diod on. But I am

1009
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: very sympathetic at this point to that instinct, because yeah,

1010
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: you look around, you're like, wait, my tax dollars are

1011
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: going to fund two wars. My tax dollars are going.

1012
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 5: To nobody declared war on by the way, right.

1013
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: That's right. I didn't get asked. Nobody got asked about that.

1014
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: My tax dollars are going to support, you know, giving

1015
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: Israel more bombs to drop on babies in Gaza. No, Like, no,

1016
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't feel great about paying taxes for that when

1017
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: we don't have health care. Right, So there's a few

1018
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: things here. Did you watch Carti's comments about FDR. Yeah, yeah,

1019
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: we cover that here too. She loves I love party.

1020
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, she went on this whole thing. She got

1021
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: asked a question about like, oh, what did you think about,

1022
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, when you got a cheese sandwich with David

1023
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: Letterman or something like that, and she was like, that

1024
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: wasn't the thing. The thing was, let me tell you

1025
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: about FDR and Eleanor and how much I love them. Like,

1026
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: she's clearly very she's politically engaged, right, this is some

1027
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: one who cares about history. She endorsed Bernie Like, she's

1028
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: not just sort of, you know, a bystander not taking

1029
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: in what's happening around the world. So I want to

1030
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: put that out there. But in addition, Chrish pretty'smart obviously, yeah, obviously,

1031
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean she's a love Cardi again, She's She's incredible,

1032
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: and I think it's I think that's why people really

1033
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: take take note of some of the things that she

1034
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: says politically. But there's also just a real normy sensibility

1035
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: here that just lands with like you can't find the

1036
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: freaking schools. But there's no limit over here whatsoever. And

1037
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times sometimes I get kind

1038
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: of depressed about like the state of America, et cetera,

1039
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: et cetera. But you know, oftentimes I feel like if

1040
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,479
Speaker 1: we had just random people running your government, it would

1041
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 1: be way better than the decision making that comes out

1042
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: as it is. And she says that at one point,

1043
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: she's like these leaders, like they you know, they're terrible effectively,

1044
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: Like these leaders, aren't it. So in fairness to Mayor

1045
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: Eric Adams, I did some digging here about why these

1046
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: budget cuts are happening, and what he would say and

1047
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: argue with some validity is that there is a huge

1048
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: number of migrants. There are huge number of migrants who

1049
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: are coming into the city. New York has a policy

1050
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: that they have to provide shelter for everyone. Many of

1051
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: these migrants are coming from Venezuela, though it's from a

1052
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: range of different countries. This is genuinely being a real

1053
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: challenge for New York City just given the numbers. But

1054
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: I did some digging into the actual numbers here of

1055
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: the projected budget gaps and how much the cuts are

1056
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: versus how much sheltering migrants cost. This is from the

1057
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: Fiscal Policy Institute. They say that the city estimates the

1058
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: total cost for asylum seekers over twenty four and twenty

1059
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Speaker 1: five is about eleven billion. The city's portion of that

1060
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 1: cost is about nine billion. About two and a half

1061
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: billion of that has already been budgeted in the adopted budget,

1062
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 1: So that puts the city's new funding need at six

1063
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: point five billion over the next two years, two point

1064
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: three billion in twenty twenty four and four point one

1065
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: billion in twenty twenty five. So the amount that it costs.

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Speaker 1: If you're claiming that the whole problem is just the

1067
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: cost of sheltering migrants, the numbers don't add up here.

1068
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: They are cutting way more from the budget from things

1069
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: like schools, sanitation and the police budget. By the way,

1070
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: then it actually, you know, the migrant cost actually makes up.

1071
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 1: So anyway, there you go in terms of the numbers.

1072
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: Because I did want to dig in here and give

1073
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: the full picture of what was going on in New

1074
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: York City as best I could.

1075
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's actually very helpful and the normy sensibility. Again,

1076
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are increasingly going to

1077
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Speaker 4: look at policies like New York cities in San Francisco's

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Speaker 4: and in fact they are and say, well, the price

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Speaker 4: tag of budget cuts is the price tag of being

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Speaker 4: a sanctuary city. That is to say, people wouldn't be

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Speaker 4: flocking here. Texas wouldn't be sending people here if it

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Speaker 4: wasn't a sanctuary city. And so essentially this is the

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Speaker 4: policy that's costing us X amount of money. And I mean,

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Speaker 4: I completely I believe that to be true. You talk

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Speaker 4: to migrants and they say they specifically go to migrants

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Speaker 4: to sanctuary cities, and of course it makes sense, it's

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Speaker 4: perfectly logical. But that's a question democrats like Eric Adams

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Speaker 4: increasingly need to have a good answer for. And obviously

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Speaker 4: we've seen him start to split with party orthodoxy. Specifically,

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Speaker 4: mayors of some big Democratic cities, including here in d C,

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Speaker 4: start to split with a party orthodoxy on illegal immigration

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Speaker 4: as soon as it kind of came to their streets

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Speaker 4: at the level that it does to you know, Brownsville, Texas,

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Speaker 4: or some of these border towns that are rural and

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Speaker 4: lack a lot of social capital, and in some ways

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Speaker 4: because of this, but Crystal, I really think that is

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Speaker 4: trickling into like normal people looking around their city in

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Speaker 4: a way that you know, budget cuts typically come from Republicans.

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Speaker 5: Republicans are typically.

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Speaker 4: The ones lowering taxes and typically the ones that you

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Speaker 4: know want less money and to you know, the educations

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Speaker 4: syst So Republicans have to answer for this all the time,

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Speaker 4: and this one on this particular part of it that's

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Speaker 4: increasingly going to be a problem for Democrats. And Cardie

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Speaker 4: didn't connect the dots totally, but she sort of started to.

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Speaker 5: And you reminded me of the William F.

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Speaker 4: Buckley quote, and you said, like people are looking around,

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Speaker 4: like who are these idiots running the government? He is

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Speaker 4: a great quot where he said, I'd rather entrust the

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Speaker 4: government of the US. So the first four hundred people

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Speaker 4: listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty

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Speaker 4: of Harvard.

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Speaker 1: Well, New York City is a city of immigrants. Oh yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: and their self conception is a city of immigrants. And

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Speaker 1: so even with the strain that the number of migrants

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Speaker 1: you know have brought to you know, just the ability

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Speaker 1: to shelter them and be able to school the kids,

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Speaker 1: especially now that you have huge budget cuts coming to

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Speaker 1: universal pre K and to education overall, there still is

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Speaker 1: a pride in being an accepting place for people coming

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Speaker 1: to the country, and.

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Speaker 5: I think that's applies to the whole country too.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree with that. I totally agree with that,

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Speaker 1: and I think it especially applies in a city like

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Speaker 1: New York just given their self conception. But there's no

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Speaker 1: doubt that cities like New York and places around the

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Speaker 1: country have been failed by DC and the fact that

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Speaker 1: they have been unable to come up with any sort

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Speaker 1: of sensible immigration policy. And one of them, you know,

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Speaker 1: with a lot of the immigrants coming to New York

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Speaker 1: being from Venezuela. I mean, one thing you can really

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Speaker 1: clearly point to is our sanctions on Venezuela and the

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Speaker 1: way that has contributed, not the only factor, but contributed

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Speaker 1: to economic chaos which has forced people to leave. That's

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Speaker 1: one thing. But the other thing that you can really

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Speaker 1: point to is, you know, many of the people who

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Speaker 1: are coming to New York and other places, they are

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Speaker 1: asylum seekers and they deserve to have their asylum claims

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Speaker 1: adjudicated in a reasonable period of time. And that's something

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Speaker 1: that Americans should expect as well. And so part of

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Speaker 1: why this becomes a problem is because if you're seeking asylum.

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Speaker 1: It can be years before your case this has ever heard.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and this shouldn't be This should not be

1144
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Speaker 1: controversial that you have a surge in sufficient immigration judges

1145
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Speaker 1: to be able to clear this massive backlog of cases

1146
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Speaker 1: so that you know, people are able to buy, you know,

1147
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Speaker 1: by law, have their claims heard and adjudicate and decide

1148
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Speaker 1: is this a legitimate asylum seeker or not, and go

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Speaker 1: through some sort of orderly process. So I don't dispute

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Speaker 1: that New York City and the country as a whole

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01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: has been failed by the fact that there is no

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Speaker 1: real like sensible immigration process in sense that is in place,

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Speaker 1: that is rule base, that is you know, expedited, that

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Speaker 1: has some sort of reasonable semblance of order. I don't

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Speaker 1: doubt that at all. But with regard to Eric Adams

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Speaker 1: specifically the numbers that he's claiming of, you know, what

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Speaker 1: they have to cut versus what they actually are spending

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Speaker 1: on migrants donata.

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Speaker 4: If you know, And just to bring this full circle,

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Speaker 4: your point is so right. And I was at a

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Speaker 4: migrant respite facility in I think this was in Brownsville, Texas,

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Speaker 4: and talking to some Haitian migrants a year ago and

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Speaker 4: was looking at the papers that they had been given

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Speaker 4: from our government.

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Speaker 5: Their asylum hearing was for years.

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Speaker 4: It was like I'm looking at the paper and the

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Speaker 4: asylum hearing is in like twenty twenty four, and it's

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Speaker 4: just like, well, they're like, we don't even know if

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Speaker 4: we have a work permit. It was unclear to them

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Speaker 4: whether they'd be able to work, and it was actually

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Speaker 4: really unclear in the paper. And that, to bring this

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Speaker 4: full circle, is that we cannot perform basic functions as

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Speaker 4: a country anymore because of Washington DC. Like this is

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Speaker 4: downstream of Washington DC's completely byzantine and poorly managed systems

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Speaker 4: and our inability to actually make decisions about, for example,

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Speaker 4: what our immigration system should look like. When you have policies,

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Speaker 4: decades of filled policies in Central America that are pushing

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Speaker 4: people north, what do we do? How do we fix

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Speaker 4: our decades of field policies in Central America? Then how

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Speaker 4: do we fix our immigration policy to deal with that?

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Speaker 4: We cannot perform these basic functions anymore. We just can't,

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Speaker 4: and it's causing problems all we don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a great point. All right, let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and bring in our great friend Ryan Grim We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about the incredibly wild new president of Argentina,

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Speaker 1: who he is, what you should know about him, why

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Speaker 1: it matters to you, and how we got there. Let's

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Speaker 1: get to it. So Argentina has a new president elect,

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Speaker 1: Javier Milay. He is an anarcho capitalist businessman, TikTok sensation

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Speaker 1: who seemingly came out of nowhere to win the presidency.

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Speaker 1: But our own Ryan Grim is joining us now to

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Speaker 1: talk about how he didn't actually exactly come out of

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Speaker 1: nowhere to win. He had some powerful backing. So we'll

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Speaker 1: get into that.

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Speaker 13: Great to see Ryan, Good to see you guys.

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Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. So before we jump

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Speaker 1: into this first, we need to set up for people

1198
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Speaker 1: like why this why people are paying attention, and just

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Speaker 1: how kind of wild this gentleman is, who now has

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Speaker 1: just been elected with a huge amount of support actually

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Speaker 1: from young people in Argentina. We're going to play some

1202
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Speaker 1: of the videos that have gone viral of him. I'm

1203
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Speaker 1: going to do my best with the subtitles. Just bear

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Speaker 1: with me. Also, I believe there is some language in

1205
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Speaker 1: these as well. This is very vulgar show we have

1206
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Speaker 1: here today. Emily, go and put this up on the screen,

1207
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Speaker 1: and I'll give you the sense here. So he's standing

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Speaker 1: at a board. He's pulling off the board all of

1209
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Speaker 1: these different ministries environments, sustainable development that he says are out,

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Speaker 1: Ministry of Women, Genders and Diversity out, Ministry of Public

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Speaker 1: Works out. Even if you resist, he says, you can't

1212
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Speaker 1: give shit left hards an inch. Can you define shit leftist?

1213
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: The interviewer says, all collectivists, all kinds of collectivists. But

1214
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Speaker 1: why do you call them shit? She says, because they

1215
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Speaker 1: are shit, he replies. She goes on to challenge him.

1216
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Speaker 1: If you think differently from them, he says, they will

1217
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Speaker 1: kill you. This is the point. You can't give shit

1218
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: leftist an inch. If you give them an inch, they

1219
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: will use it to destroy you. You can't negotiate with

1220
01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: left hards. You don't negotiate with trash because they will

1221
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: end you if they The left have a guy, and

1222
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: then goes on to talk about how like if the

1223
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Speaker 1: guy is beating his wife, they'll just stand with him, etc.

1224
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's a basic vibe of him. He's got

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Speaker 1: some pretty wild positions he's in favor of, like selling

1226
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Speaker 1: organs and some other stuff and on a more serious

1227
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty serious. But he also from an

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Speaker 1: economic position, he wants to dollarize the economy, abolish the

1229
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Speaker 1: central bank. He's he's out there, so give people a

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Speaker 1: sense of, like, you know, your analysis of where he

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Speaker 1: fits on the political spectrum.

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Speaker 15: Well, I was telling Emily, it's like if an even

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Speaker 15: cooler Robbie Suave he is elected president of Argentina. It's

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Speaker 15: the it's a he's a dorm room libertarian and that's

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Speaker 15: where they're like organ stuff comes from.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to actually put that in.

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Speaker 15: It's like somebody will press a libertarian, well, should you

1238
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Speaker 15: be able to sell your organs?

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Speaker 1: Then the libertarians like, yes, markets absolutely.

1240
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Speaker 4: But he's also anti abortion, pro Israel, pro oh Ukraine.

1241
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 4: So he does have that kind of dorm room libertarian

1242
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 4: anarchist tendencies at the same time, though it tempered not

1243
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 4: even I shouldn't say tempered, but they're actually like textured

1244
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Speaker 4: by this anti cultural leftism that Chrystal you were pointing out.

1245
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Speaker 5: Argentina has gone pretty culturally.

1246
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 4: Far left in some different ways, to the point where

1247
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Speaker 4: you can understand why there would be a backlash.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, he does the whole he says, libertarians don't have

1249
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Speaker 15: an official position on abortion, and he's like, he's on

1250
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Speaker 15: the side that you can't have freedom if you don't

1251
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Speaker 15: have if you're never born.

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Speaker 3: Therefore I against abortion.

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Speaker 15: Most of his supporters are men, not coincidentally with that position.

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Speaker 15: But the context for all this, of course, is that

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Speaker 15: Argentina has been a basket case for a very very

1256
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Speaker 15: long time. The inflation there over decades has just kind

1257
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 15: of sapped the kind of strength out of the economy.

1258
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 15: Like people will get paid and immediately try to spend

1259
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 15: all of their money right now. Yeah, and that's that's

1260
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Speaker 15: like good for them, like own only one hundred and

1261
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Speaker 15: fifty percent inflation over the last year. But like at

1262
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Speaker 15: stores you could you get banned from you can only

1263
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Speaker 15: buy like certain amounts of things, So like entire families

1264
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Speaker 15: will go together and like take the paycheck and divide

1265
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Speaker 15: it up, and the kids will be buying you know,

1266
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Speaker 15: certain number of eggs and milk and whatever. And the

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Speaker 15: rich then can like immediately convert all of their wealth

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Speaker 15: into dollars, and the poor and the middle class are

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Speaker 15: constantly trying to convert things into dollars because there's that's

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Speaker 15: the only store of wealth. Oh interesting, and the political

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Speaker 15: system is just entirely broken because this parent is you know,

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Speaker 15: they call it parent parents.

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Speaker 5: He invokes that on the campaign, trill and he beat.

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Speaker 15: A paronist party and I beat a pathetic parenties candidate

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Speaker 15: who the voters called.

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Speaker 3: His nickname was Pancake. He was the economy minister.

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Speaker 15: Yes, pancake, because he's been with the left, he's been

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Speaker 15: with the center right, like he's he's just like an

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Speaker 15: opportunistic kind of and also like total charismaists politician, like, yeah,

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Speaker 15: the center left party in Argentina's absolutely you know, pathetic.

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Speaker 15: What paranism was was an attempt to like do leftism

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Speaker 15: and labor advocacy and social justice stuff, but also co

1283
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Speaker 15: opt the rich and business element, which is always like

1284
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Speaker 15: trying to undermine yeah, the left. But obviously that then

1285
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Speaker 15: coalition becomes like the big part of parentism.

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Speaker 3: And so they.

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Speaker 15: Benefit in certain ways from inflation. Some public workers, students,

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Speaker 15: like a lot, so many different people benefit in some

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Speaker 15: ways from the inflation that every attempt to kind of

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Speaker 15: combat it then runs up against a choke point, Like

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Speaker 15: you think our system has a lot of choke points

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Speaker 15: for getting things done, like Argentina is like on steroids,

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Speaker 15: and so in the past, whenever they've tried to do

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Speaker 15: anything around inflation, you'd have people come out in the

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Speaker 15: streets and it would get shut down. So it's gonna

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Speaker 15: be really interesting to see what he can do because

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Speaker 15: you're already seeing a bunch of center left politicians who

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Speaker 15: are sort of like seeing his victory and recognizing it

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Speaker 15: as an anti referendum in the status quo and saying, well, maybe,

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Speaker 15: so you're actually seeing a lot of people gravitate around him,

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Speaker 15: Like the left thinks that he's going to just collapse

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Speaker 15: under his own weight, in the weight of his own

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01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 15: silly contradiction.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't have Congress, he doesn't, he doesn't have Parliament.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't.

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Speaker 15: But there might be enough, there might be enough energy

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Speaker 15: around him that he can actually get some things through.

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Speaker 15: The problem for people will be the only things that

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01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 15: he'll end up getting through will be more kind of

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Speaker 15: subsidies for the rich. And like that wing of do

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Speaker 15: we have that Lefong yes piece that ye yes?

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Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen, guys from the intercepts.

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Speaker 1: Some great reporting here from Lefong about the Atlas network,

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Speaker 1: and the headline here is sphere of influence how American

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Speaker 1: libertarians are remaking Latin American politics. And it's the sort

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Speaker 1: of sprawling network of think tanks. You know, we're all

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01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: familiar with the Coconut orre he This is sort of

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Speaker 1: the equivalent home from a Ford Affairs perspective, and Malay

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01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: is associated with some of the groups that are affiliated

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Speaker 1: with this like sort of sprawling libertarian big money network.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 15: And so without this well funded and it's the Coke

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Speaker 15: Foundation actually contributes to this. Atlas Network Donors Trust, which

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Speaker 15: you guys know, like that's the big kind of right

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Speaker 15: wing kind of pool of money. It's a big donor

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Speaker 15: to Atlas Network. And so what Atlas Network would do

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Speaker 15: is go in into these South American countries and Central

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01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 15: American countries and basically fund economic libertarian think tanks and

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Speaker 15: then you know, boost the careers of people like Mela.

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Speaker 15: I know an economist who worked with Mela back like

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Speaker 15: thirty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, and don't you know, I know that it's really random.

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Speaker 15: We're totally totally randomly And she was like, yeah, he was.

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Speaker 15: Everybody knew him, and he's just like this crazy dude

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Speaker 15: in the office and he just kind of like tolerated him,

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Speaker 15: and he's also kind of funny. He's got like take

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Speaker 15: my hair today and like times ten right, completely wild,

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Speaker 15: and that's all he would have remained without, like the

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01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 15: Atlas network and the billionaire libertarian networks to then kind

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Speaker 15: of move him through the system. But it was about

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Speaker 15: five or six years ago he started getting on argentating

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Speaker 15: and TV a whole bunch, and he's so funny and

1343
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 15: like entertaining that it's very Trumpian phenomenon. Like CNNMSNBC just

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Speaker 15: loved the ratings that Trump brought right and they were

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Speaker 15: the oxygen on his file well and social media.

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Speaker 1: And that's why one of the unique dynamics here is

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Speaker 1: that a lot of these sort of like right wing

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Speaker 1: populist type candidates who risen to power is mostly older generations,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of the resistance to them comes from

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Speaker 1: younger generations. Here, that dynamic is flipped. Vox had actually

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Speaker 1: an interesting piece about him. They interviewed a bunch of

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Speaker 1: young people of why they support him, when you know,

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Speaker 1: usually young people were backing leftist candidates up until this moment.

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Speaker 1: They interviewed this one woman. She says, I only have

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Speaker 1: memories of our Argentina, Indicay. She's nineteen years old in

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Speaker 1: Buenos Aires. So you look around and you associate all

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01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: the political parties and all the movements that were in

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01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: power during that time to a decaying country, and you

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01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: desperately search for other options. Another thing that came out

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Speaker 1: in this piece that I thought was really interesting because

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Speaker 1: he's also like, he says climate change is a hoax,

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Speaker 1: and he's on that whole train, which you know, fits

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01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: with the libertarian right wing billionaire network as well, and

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Speaker 1: they're like, there were a lot of people in this

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Speaker 1: article that were like, I don't agree with him on that.

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with him on abortion and these other

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Speaker 1: cultural issues, but like I got to get some food

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01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: my fridge, and I don't. And there were also people

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Speaker 1: who were like, I don't even know. It could be

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Speaker 1: a total disaster with this guy, but we got to

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Speaker 1: do something. Yeah, then we got to do something here.

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Speaker 1: And so that was like the sense that came from

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01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: these young people of such desperation that was like, ah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, at least he's different. I don't know, let's

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Speaker 1: give it a shot.

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Speaker 15: You're given a choice between a guy named Pancake, who

1377
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Speaker 15: was the economy minister overseeing an economy just in complete turmoil.

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01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 15: Well or this guy, and you can understand why you'd

1379
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 15: be like, you know what, Okay, I don't want to

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Speaker 15: sell my organs.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 15: I'm actually for abortion rights. I don't think we should

1383
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Speaker 15: eliminate every single government ministry. But man, I don't like

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Speaker 15: pancake either.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I know it's a disaster. I know the

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Speaker 1: status quo is a disaster. It's a stream of health

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Speaker 1: maybe a disaster. Hey, listen, if there's even a shot

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Speaker 1: that it's something, I guess I'm going to go for it, right, right, right.

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Speaker 4: So it's the status quo is a disaster, and this

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Speaker 4: other candidate represents the status quo, which is basically exactly

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Speaker 4: the Hillary Clinton Donald Trump dynamic. So it's not just

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Speaker 4: that this other person is a blunt force object is

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Speaker 4: a wrecking ball.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump seen as a wrecking ball.

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Speaker 4: You literally used the flight ninety three election metaphor in

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01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 4: Claremont and other places on the right and run up

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Speaker 4: to the twenty sixteen election. So I do think that

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Speaker 4: dynamic is somewhat instructive, because again, you have someone who promises,

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Speaker 4: who is absolutely telling you they will be a wrecking

1401
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 4: ball to the status quo in ways that most voters

1402
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:05,959
Speaker 4: see as good and bad. It's just a totally unexpected quantity.

1403
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 4: And then you have somebody who represents the status quo.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people will choose the uncertain quantity wrecking ball,

1405
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 4: even if they don't like everything about them.

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Speaker 15: And I think there's a significant chance we're going to

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01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 15: see some significant violence because you're going to see if

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01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 15: he goes after the unions, he goes after the pensioners,

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01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 15: he goes after public workers, like they're going to come

1410
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 15: out in the streets, like that's how Argentinian politics has been.

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Speaker 4: But he's aged, he's a libertarian, so he can't go Bukele.

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Speaker 3: He certainly can.

1413
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 4: I mean he can, but like ideologically and if he's

1414
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,520
Speaker 4: ideologically consistent, he's sort of the opposite.

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Speaker 5: Of bou Kele.

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01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 15: He also is like the president of a government which

1417
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 15: is not consistent with not believing in government.

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01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 3: Called the criminal organizations. Now he's like.

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Speaker 15: And so I would not be surprised to see him,

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Speaker 15: you know, put guns out in the streets if if

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01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 15: there are a protests that try to bring him down.

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01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 15: So I think it could get pretty ugly, and you

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01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 15: might see people You're going to see a significant portion

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Speaker 15: of the country, I think support the violence to say

1425
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 15: like no, we on the flight ninety three, like when

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01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 15: we have said wrecking ball, we really meant wrecking ball.

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01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 15: So it could get pretty dark and there doesn't seem

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01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 15: to be any significant left opposition able.

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01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 3: To push back.

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Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of these dynamics are specific to Argentina,

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01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: but do you see this as part of a broader trend,

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01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: either in you know, South and Central America or more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he definitely does.

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01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 15: Like he when he won, he put up a post

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Speaker 15: of himself next to Trump and Bolsonaro.

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Speaker 5: And Trump said he was very proud of him.

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01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 3: Trump very proud of him.

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Speaker 15: And I bet he feels some affinity with Bukelly in

1439
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 15: El Salvador. And this Atlas network is all over the

1440
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 15: South America and Central America as well, so it is

1441
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:59,839
Speaker 15: he very much sees it as an international movement. These libertarians, don't,

1442
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 15: you know, they don't like borders, they don't believe in

1443
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 15: governments or nations. So the Atlas Network was very heavily

1444
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 15: involved in training the kind of organizers that led to

1445
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 15: the mass Street mobilization that brought Bolsonaro to power. So yeah,

1446
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Speaker 15: I think there's it is a similar thing we got

1447
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 15: we're seeing, gotcha.

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01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're going to do an interview with

1449
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 1: Ryan as well on his new book, The Squad. We'll

1450
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: give a little pretease on that one. That's going to

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01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: drop over the holiday weekend. When does the book actually out.

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Speaker 15: It's technically out December fifth, but I think the Monday

1453
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 15: after Thanksgiving you can start getting it in bookstores, gotcha.

1454
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 15: Like the event we're doing, people will be able to

1455
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 15: buy books, gotcha for instance.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So thank you for your analysis here, and guys,

1457
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: stay tuned for more on Ryan's book called The Squad,

1458
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: AOC and the Hope of a Political Revolution coming to

1459
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: bookstores near you soon. Ryan, Great to see you, Great

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01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: to see you, guys. Excited to be joined now by

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01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: Jane Hugor. He is not only founder of TYT, but

1462
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: also is a Democratic candidate for president in twenty twenty four. Gent,

1463
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: great to see you. Great to have an update for

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01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: you on the campaign.

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01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 7: All right, thanks for having me appreciate.

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01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, So you shared this recent clip of

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01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, which you proffered as evidence that perhaps he

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01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 1: is not the man that Democrats should go with for

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01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: their next presidential candidate. Let's take a look.

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Speaker 11: Now. Just to get here, Liberty and Bell had to

1471
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 11: beat some tough odds competition. They had to work hard

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01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 11: to show patience and be willing to travel over one

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01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 11: thousand miles. You could say, even this harder than getting

1474
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 11: a ticket to the Renaissance tour.

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01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 7: Or for Britney's tour.

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Speaker 11: She's down in It's kind of warm in Brazil right now.

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01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:45,799
Speaker 5: I don't see the problem.

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01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: You're not inspired by this?

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01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, wow, wow.

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Speaker 8: Okay, So, first of all, it's Taylor Swift, as we

1481
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 8: all know, and except we don't all know. The president

1482
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,679
Speaker 8: doesn't know. But that's not the point, guys. The point

1483
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 8: is what was that? I mean, that's just so.

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01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 7: Look.

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01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,480
Speaker 8: I if it's just a matter of Joe Biden's career

1486
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 8: and he's pulling a Diane fin signed late in his

1487
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 8: Senate career, and then I feel bad for him and

1488
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 8: his family should help him, et cetera. But this is

1489
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 8: way more important. This is for democracy. This is for

1490
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 8: a presidential election. This guy's twenty two points underwater his favorability,

1491
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Speaker 8: He's only thirty seven.

1492
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 7: His unfavorables are fifty nine.

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01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 8: Does that guy look like he's going to pull off

1494
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 8: a comeback being twenty two points underwater impossible. He can't

1495
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 8: even finish a sentence, and I look, I don't enjoy

1496
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 8: saying this.

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01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 7: I feel terrible saying this.

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01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 8: But someone has to say it otherwise we're just going

1499
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 8: to walk into a loss against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 7: And I'm just amazed all of Washington. I know that

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01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 7: there's a little.

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01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,520
Speaker 8: Bit of a rebellion going on now, even within the establishment,

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01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 8: but for so long all of Washington was like, yeah,

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01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:00,719
Speaker 8: let's just look who cares.

1505
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 7: Obviously Biden's going to lose.

1506
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 8: I mean, he's been losing the Swing States all along,

1507
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:06,759
Speaker 8: he's been losing independence all along.

1508
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:08,520
Speaker 7: Now he's lost Latinos.

1509
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,879
Speaker 8: We went from a forty two point lead among Latinos

1510
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 8: down of four points. He's lost them completely. Everybody knows

1511
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 8: he's gonna lose. So my job is to be a

1512
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 8: little bit rude as snap Washington out of it. There's

1513
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 8: no way that guy who can't finish sentences and is down,

1514
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 8: you know, twenty two points in his favorability is going

1515
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 8: to come do a miracle comeback and beat Trump.

1516
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 7: Or any Republican.

1517
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 8: I don't know anyone who actually disagrees with it.

1518
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 4: And so we actually have some of these poll numbers

1519
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 4: that we were just kind of alluding to. Some of

1520
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 4: these numbers, especially with young voters. I mean, look at this,

1521
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,719
Speaker 4: Trump gains edge among younger voters. This is an NBC

1522
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 4: News poll from this week. Donald Trump is at forty

1523
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 4: six percent. Joe Biden is at forty two percent. That

1524
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 4: is a for Democrats. That is a just absolute disaster.

1525
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 4: There's no other way to put it. And it's trending

1526
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 4: in the wrong direct, So it's not as though it

1527
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 4: started out that way. It's something that's continuing to go down.

1528
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 4: Jenk especially a somebody who is a kind of a

1529
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 4: pioneer in online spaces that are influencing a lot of

1530
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 4: really young voters and is now actively campaigning.

1531
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 5: How do you see that issue?

1532
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,759
Speaker 4: And then what is the sort of I'm also curious

1533
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 4: to sort of when you're campaigning versus when you're trying to,

1534
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 4: you know, turn an online presence, a media news media

1535
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 4: presence into a campaign. What's that process like, especially with

1536
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 4: younger voters who are are much more influenced by that

1537
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 4: than I think a lot of older people.

1538
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 8: Realize, Yeah, look, guys, that's that you just showed.

1539
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 7: It's over. There's near zero percent chance that Joe Biden's

1540
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 7: gonna win.

1541
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 8: And I'm saying that with my political anils hat on

1542
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 8: and in fact, that's why I entered the race, because

1543
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 8: I can read numbers. This is Look, this is the

1544
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 8: same thing I said during the Hillary claim years. Guys,

1545
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,560
Speaker 8: she's gonna lose. Look at the polling numbers. You're being blinded.

1546
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 8: But that was ten thousand times less.

1547
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 7: Clearer than this is.

1548
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 8: Joe Biden needs younger voters to win, period, not even close.

1549
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 8: He won them in large numbers in twenty twenty. And

1550
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 8: that's why the only reason that he could win that

1551
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 8: particular election, and he barely won the electoral college in

1552
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 8: that election. If he's losing younger voters, and now he is,

1553
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 8: he has a zero percent chance of winning.

1554
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 7: No Democrat can win without younger voters. He's that.

1555
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 8: I mean, look, this entire thesis of my book is

1556
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 8: the why progressors were going to win. We talked about

1557
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,839
Speaker 8: this last time I was on is because younger voters

1558
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 8: are so overwhelmingly progressive. Do you know how deeply incompetent

1559
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 8: you have to be as a politician, as a democratic politician,

1560
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 8: to lose younger voters to Donald Trump. Now, this guy's

1561
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 8: the worst politician in the world. The only reason he

1562
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 8: barely won last time is because the entire establishment co

1563
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 8: esce around him, including all of media. So look, younger voters,

1564
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 8: why are they against Joe One. They didn't grow up

1565
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 8: with television, And that goes to your point about online

1566
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 8: versus TV. Right in the old days, did you'd get

1567
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 8: spoon fed propaganda on television? They'd be like, Oh, Joe

1568
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 8: Biden passed the semiconductor bill, you should be really happy.

1569
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 8: And people are be like, what, I'm not in the

1570
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 8: semi conductor business, but okay, I guess so right, And

1571
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 8: Joe Biden reduced drug prices on one drug.

1572
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,799
Speaker 7: And then everybody cheers.

1573
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 8: It's historic, right, But young people can just look stuff

1574
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 8: up online. They're like, wait, is there only one drug

1575
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 8: in the world? Oh no, there are tens of thousands. Oh,

1576
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 8: it turns out it's a trick to protect the other

1577
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 8: nine and ninety nine drugs, And like, how many tricks? Oh,

1578
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 8: you're gonna do student debt relief? Oh, you put a

1579
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 8: poison pill provision in there. You knew the Supreme Court

1580
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:50,480
Speaker 8: would overturn.

1581
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 7: Oh golly, gee, did we get caught again?

1582
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 8: But now it's over because of Israel and Gaza, and

1583
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 8: he's lost younger voters so badly over that issue. Remember

1584
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 8: Joe Biden is two hundred years old, so he still

1585
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 8: thinks it's the nineteen seventies or nineteen nineties, and he's like,

1586
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 8: ohr support Israel and it's war crahymes two hundred percent,

1587
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 8: green light all the way, and young people are like, vomit, Oh,

1588
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 8: get at it? Why why is this guy so out

1589
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 8: of touch, so brutal? Because they're used to having TV

1590
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 8: do NonStop propaganda for any dumb idea that they had

1591
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 8: that they was shoved down the throat of the American people.

1592
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 8: And now young people are leading the way to going no, no, no, no, you.

1593
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 7: Need to do things that we want.

1594
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 8: Our lives right now are way worse than our parents' lives.

1595
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 8: We're tired of this crap. And Joe Biden is never

1596
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 8: going to turn around. He's like frozen in amber. There's

1597
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 8: a zero percent chance he turns around. Look, guys, it

1598
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 8: doesn't matter whether you like me or not. And yeah, okay,

1599
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 8: by I am loud, I'm aggressive. I bought the url

1600
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,759
Speaker 8: Biden is going to lose dot com. I bought selfish

1601
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 8: obiden dot com. They all readirected my site. Okay, I'm

1602
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 8: the bad guy, I'm the boogeyman.

1603
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 7: Okay.

1604
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 8: Oh no, don't say anything about the Democratic candidate. Our

1605
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 8: job is all to do propaganda and marketing for them,

1606
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 8: so we can barely prop them up. No, I don't agree.

1607
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 8: We should pick a great candidate, candidate who's actually gonna

1608
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 8: fight for you and fight for these policies. Does Joe

1609
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 8: Biden looked like he's gonna fight for you. He can

1610
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 8: barely fight a nap.

1611
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: Let's put the next poll numbers up on the screen,

1612
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 1: which I think bolster some of the points that you're

1613
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: making here, Jank. This is also from NBC News. So

1614
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 1: seventy percent of voters aged eighteen to thirty four disapprove

1615
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 1: of Biden's policy on Israel. Fifty six percent of all

1616
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 1: voters disapprove fifty one percent. So a majority of Democrats

1617
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: say that Israel has gone too far, and forty nine

1618
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 1: percent of Democrats, so very close to a majority, oppose

1619
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 1: US aid to Israel. Now the play Devil's advocate here.

1620
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 1: What the White House would say is it's just one issue.

1621
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: We're still always out from election day. Once we get

1622
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 1: down to it and it's Trump versus Biden, people are

1623
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 1: going to come to their senses and they're gonna, you know,

1624
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 1: suck it up and vote Joe once again. What is

1625
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: your analysis there?

1626
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 7: Okay, totally one hundred percent wrong.

1627
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 8: So let me give you a number of reality checks here.

1628
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 8: So number one, sometimes politicians can ebb and flow, of course, right,

1629
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,759
Speaker 8: And at one point Obama dipped down to like forty

1630
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 8: three percent, and so that's what the Biden people were

1631
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 8: using for a long time. But Joe, you're not at

1632
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 8: forty three. You're now at thirty seven. Thirty seven is

1633
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 8: massively lower than forty three. And Obama barely dipped in

1634
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 8: there once and bounced back up. Joe Biden's been down

1635
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 8: in the thirties forever and ever and ever. Now the

1636
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 8: counter to Obama is George W.

1637
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 7: Bush.

1638
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 8: George W. Bush sank into the thirties. And I remember

1639
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 8: Tim Russell all the way back in the day and

1640
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:56,719
Speaker 8: Meet the Press doing a segment on the narrative of comeback.

1641
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 8: And I wrote a blog all the way back in

1642
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 8: the Huffing the Post days, he said, what comeback? You

1643
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 8: just invented that so called narrative. This man has no

1644
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 8: capacity for a comeback. He's going to say in third,

1645
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 8: in the thirties the rest of his term. And I

1646
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 8: was totally right about that, because George W. Bush wasn't

1647
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 8: even trying to make a comeback. That was the second term,

1648
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 8: and he was just driving his numbers into the ground.

1649
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 7: By the end.

1650
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 8: His partner, for example, Dick Cheney, finished at nine percent approval. Okay,

1651
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 8: so does the person have a capacity for a comeback

1652
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 8: or don't they? And how far down are they? Well,

1653
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 8: Biden is way further down than Obama was. He's been

1654
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 8: there way longer, and he has absolutely no capacity for

1655
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 8: a comeback.

1656
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 7: You just saw it with your own eyes.

1657
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:43,560
Speaker 8: Who are we kidding with this politically correct crap about agism.

1658
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 7: People see that.

1659
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 8: Real people, voters, not political people, not people triangling for

1660
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 8: a job in Washington. Real voters look at that and go, hey,

1661
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 8: no way, I'm voting for that guy. He can't finish

1662
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 8: his sentence. He doesn't know what the hell's going on.

1663
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 8: No way, let alone is or let alone on other issues, guys.

1664
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 8: Because of Israel. There's one other giant problem for Democrats.

1665
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 8: We've lost Michigan. His Arab support has dropped from the

1666
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 8: seventies down to fifteen percent. And every Arab and Muslim,

1667
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 8: whether they're talking to me, they're talking online, or they're talking.

1668
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 7: To upholster, are all saying, Look, it's one thing whether.

1669
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 8: We vote for Trump or not, Okay, but we're not

1670
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:24,719
Speaker 8: voting for Joe Biden.

1671
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 7: Under any circumstance. So we'll stay at home, We'll do

1672
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 7: whatever it is. That's it. Michigan's gone.

1673
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 8: So now, how are you going to win the election

1674
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,600
Speaker 8: without the most critical swing state of Michigan. This is

1675
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 8: political malpractice. We're purposely losing this election. I've never seen

1676
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 8: anything like this. This is total madness. There's no way

1677
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 8: Joe Biden's going to win. It's not even going to

1678
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 8: be close. And then finally think about this. Incumbency is

1679
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 8: really important for a senator or a congress person because

1680
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 8: that gives you name recognition, and that gives you all

1681
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 8: the donor money. Okay, but when you're running for reelection

1682
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 8: as president, incumbency is now in the modern world, is

1683
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 8: an albatross around your neck. Why, first of all, it

1684
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 8: cost Donald Trump election because COVID hit and he couldn't

1685
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 8: adjust in time, and people were angry about that, and

1686
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 8: that's why he lost the election. Now, I imagine, in

1687
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 8: Biden's case, they're in October, gas prices go up. No no, no, no,

1688
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 8: no no, no zero percent, zero zero zero. There's no

1689
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 8: way he wins up. Gas prices go up in October. Now,

1690
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 8: who controls gas prices? Well, the country that has the

1691
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 8: biggest effect by far is Saudi Arabia, who the Saudis love,

1692
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 8: all right, they love Donald Trump.

1693
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 7: They love Trump and his family.

1694
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 8: They give them millions of dollars, all the golf tournaments,

1695
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 8: they've been in bed together this entire time.

1696
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 7: You think that Saudis aren't just going to hand the

1697
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 7: election to Trump.

1698
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 8: You need a super strong Democrat who one number one

1699
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 8: is not an incumbent and will not be as affected

1700
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 8: by gas prices, and number two can withstand an assault

1701
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 8: from Trump and his allies. Biden hasn't even run. He's

1702
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 8: not even running. He's preventing everyone else from running, and

1703
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 8: he's not doing any campaigning because he loves Republicans. So

1704
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 8: when you ask him, hey, can you do a speech,

1705
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 8: he has Republican. No, my Republican friends, I've given so

1706
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 8: many text guns for the rich with them together.

1707
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 7: Where's my brother, Rich mccado. Let's freeze together. Come on, guys,

1708
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,639
Speaker 7: come on, Okay, I'm the bad guy.

1709
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: Everybody ate me.

1710
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 7: It doesn't matter.

1711
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, bid. Let me ask you though,

1712
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: because you know, if you ask Democratic voters, a majority

1713
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: say we want Biden to step aside, we want other options,

1714
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:35,759
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. But when you give them other choices,

1715
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: and I'm not just talking about you and Dean Phillips

1716
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: and Marianne, but even when they ask, okay, hypothetically, if

1717
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 1: it was Biden versus Newsome or Paula Harris or Pete

1718
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 1: Bootage or whoever, voters are still backing Biden. So why

1719
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: do you think that is? And you know, and also

1720
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: give us a reality check on how your campaign's going,

1721
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 1: where you are in the polls, and what your trajectory is,

1722
01:28:58,040 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: how you want to make the comeback.

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01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1724
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 8: So number one, those polls are deeply misleading. And I'll

1725
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 8: tell you why you have to. It's not like, oh

1726
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 8: I don't like that particular poll. I hate when people

1727
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,879
Speaker 8: do that. No, there's two reasons why they're deeply misleading.

1728
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 8: Number One, they put everyone in the poll, so Biden

1729
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 8: will have an advantage because he's the common President. Meanwhile,

1730
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 8: Boudage just knew some are the same guys, so they

1731
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 8: split the vote, right, covid char Kamala Harrison said, they

1732
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 8: all split the vote, and then they go, oh, see

1733
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 8: Biden's winning, And a lot of them don't have a

1734
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 8: lot of name recognition, like Greshen Winmer, right, but people

1735
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 8: don't know her, so she scores lower.

1736
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 7: On a poll.

1737
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 8: But if Gresham Winmer was a Democratic candidate, then everyone

1738
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 8: would know her and so she wouldn't have that issue

1739
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 8: at all, and she wouldn't have the albatrust around her

1740
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 8: neck of being eighty nine years old or sorry, eighty

1741
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 8: one eighty one. She could finish sentences. She's very popular

1742
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 8: in Michigan. She would win Michigan. She would win a

1743
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 8: lot of states. So those polls are deeply misleading and

1744
01:29:55,080 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 8: are often just used to further falsely prop up Joe Biden. Okay,

1745
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 8: in terms of me, look, we you know what what did.

1746
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 7: Joe Lieber say back in the day. He's got Joe Mentum,

1747
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 7: I've got Jankmentum. No, guys. I'm honest.

1748
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 8: Look, Quinnipiac puts me in the polls. God bless, everybody

1749
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,719
Speaker 8: should put me in the polls. It's maddening that they don't. Anyway,

1750
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 8: I'm at two percent, so two percent not the highest

1751
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 8: number in the world. On the other hand, everyone in

1752
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 8: the world expected zero. Right, They're like, oh, loudmouth talk

1753
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 8: show hosts not born in the country, no way.

1754
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 7: Right.

1755
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 8: But currently I'm meeting the governor of North Dakota, the

1756
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,799
Speaker 8: governor of Arkansas, and I'm tied with Chris Christy. Okay,

1757
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 8: so what happened? I thought I wasn't supposed to register.

1758
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:42,759
Speaker 8: And I'll tell you what, guys, they're starting to panic

1759
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 8: a little bit. The Joe Biden team has started buying

1760
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 8: up websites that are similar to my website.

1761
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 7: Okay, what you're worried, dog? Okay.

1762
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 8: And now they're trying to keep me off the ballot

1763
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,799
Speaker 8: in a lot of places. Why Because I'm the loudest,

1764
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 8: most aggressive voice making the clear obvious call against Joe Biden.

1765
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 7: So it's bothering them to no end.

1766
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 6: Good.

1767
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 8: That's why I got in the race to knock Joe Bien.

1768
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 8: Now is it because I'm against Biden. Look, Biden's got issues,

1769
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:10,799
Speaker 8: I've been telling you, but that's not the main reason

1770
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 8: at all. No, it's because he's going to lose the

1771
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 8: Trump and we got to beat Trump. That's mission number one,

1772
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 8: mission number one. So right now, I got onto the

1773
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 8: ballot in Arkansas when nobody thought I was going to

1774
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,759
Speaker 8: get on any ballots. So when they tell you don't try,

1775
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 8: that's because they don't want you to win.

1776
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 7: They don't want you to succeed.

1777
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 8: And by the way, they don't want anybody to succeed

1778
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 8: that would actually fight for the American people.

1779
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 7: So it turns out if you try, you can win. Yes, indeed,

1780
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 7: you we're on ballots. We're going to get on more ballots.

1781
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 1: Do you have an update on the legal side of

1782
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 1: this question of whether or not you're eligible given that

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01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 1: you're a natural citizen versus a natural born citizen.

1784
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1785
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 8: So number one arc thesis is that the fourteenth Amendment

1786
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 8: has already amended that part of the Constitution. If you

1787
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 8: read the fourteenth Amendment, it's a little bit like the

1788
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 8: Da Vinci Code. You go, oh wow, oh yeah, it is,

1789
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 8: it's right there. How come I never saw that before

1790
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:05,599
Speaker 8: because people don't regularly read amendments. Fourteenth Amendment says all

1791
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 8: persons born or naturalized have do process an equal protection.

1792
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,679
Speaker 8: They didn't say kind of equal, but not really equal.

1793
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 8: They say, yeah, now we said naturalized, but we didn't

1794
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 8: mean naturalized. No, they said naturalized. They meant naturalized.

1795
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 7: Equal protection means equal, It doesn't mean asterisk. It doesn't

1796
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:24,839
Speaker 7: mean you're a second class citizen.

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01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 8: In fact, the Supreme Court has already said that you

1798
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 8: can't declare someone a second class citizen just because they're

1799
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 8: a naturalized citizen. Not about the presidential issue, but about

1800
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:35,640
Speaker 8: different issues. We're going to make them apply that to

1801
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 8: the presidential issue. So we're going to sue a couple

1802
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:41,560
Speaker 8: of states, and so that literally yesterday we had a

1803
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 8: big meeting with our lawyers. I've got Bernie Sanders presidential

1804
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 8: lawyers from twenty sixteen and twenty twenty about which states

1805
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 8: to pick, which jurisdictions to focus on.

1806
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:52,719
Speaker 7: And so for what I would say to the voters

1807
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 7: is let the courts decide that don't worry about that.

1808
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 8: If I'm not eligible, then i won't be able eligible

1809
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 8: and you won't have to worry about it, and it

1810
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 8: gets resolved much quicker during elections because that's the system

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01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 8: we have in place, so the voters can know before

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01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 8: they vote. So put that out of your mind and

1813
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 8: just say, hey, is this the guy that i'd like

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01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 8: to represent me?

1815
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 7: And if you're a younger voter, if you're any voter.

1816
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 8: That's Democrat, I'm going to actually do the stuff that

1817
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 8: you want, and a fight like hell to do this

1818
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 8: stuff that you want. And Biden's wrong on a bunch

1819
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:24,600
Speaker 8: of issues like Israel, so unlike him, I agree with

1820
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 8: the great majority of both Americans and Democrats. We need

1821
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 8: to cease fire immediately. I hate that the bombs being

1822
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 8: dropped on Palaesitian children have made in the USA on

1823
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 8: them sending another fourteen billion dollars. Joe Biden says at

1824
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 8: every turn, we don't have money. We don't have money

1825
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 8: for paid family, we don't have money for higher wages,

1826
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 8: we don't have money for this or that. And then

1827
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 8: the minute there's war, he's like, yes, right away, take

1828
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 8: all the money, take American money, and Bob Palasty and

1829
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 8: children with them, no, no way, and a student debt relief.

1830
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:57,760
Speaker 8: Definitely legalize marijuana instantly. It's over seventy percent. What is

1831
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 8: wrong with you people in Washington, Why won't you ever

1832
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 8: do what the people want? Pay family leaves at eighty

1833
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 8: four percent? What do you need it to be at

1834
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 8: eighty five percent? Why won't you do it? And the

1835
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 8: reality is because they're hooked on the donor money. They

1836
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 8: only serve their donors. They're all corrupt. These donations are bribes.

1837
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 8: I'm the only one who's saying it because everyone else

1838
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 8: is part of the corrupt processing someone non corrupt.

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01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 7: Thanks for America dot com.

1840
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 4: Speaking of that, Joe Biden has the most money right now,

1841
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 4: is the most supportant polling. But what do you say

1842
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 4: to people who will say to you, drank that your

1843
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 4: candidacy just makes it more and more likely that Joe

1844
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 4: Biden loses to Donald Trump? You, he's presumptive nominee is whatever.

1845
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:45,640
Speaker 4: Media loves that phrase. What's your response to that?

1846
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is the same crap establishment says every time.

1847
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 8: We've picked a loser and someone who's totally corrupt and

1848
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:54,599
Speaker 8: who will do only what the donors want.

1849
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 7: Now, bower your heads, otherwise you're hurting it.

1850
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 8: Well, why did you pick the guy who sucks, the

1851
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:02,719
Speaker 8: guy who we don't want, who's losing in all the polling,

1852
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 8: And why do we have to bow our heads? What

1853
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:06,879
Speaker 8: the hell is this a democracy? This is the Democratic

1854
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 8: Party of the Republican Party. No, we're not gonna bow

1855
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 8: our heads. You told us about our heads to Hillary

1856
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 8: Clinton and she lost. She lost to Donald Trump, who's

1857
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 8: a moron, a blithering idiot, and she lost to that guy.

1858
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 8: And then Joe Biden almost lost to him in twenty twenty.

1859
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 8: He only won by forty four thousand votes in three

1860
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 8: swing states. Now he's fifteen points lower than when he

1861
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 8: barely beat Trump last time. And now we're supposed to

1862
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 8: bow our heads. Oh hell no, no, no.

1863
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 7: You bow your head? How about that?

1864
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 8: I represent the actual Democratic voters. So put me in

1865
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 8: a debate with Joe Biden. See if he can survive,

1866
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 8: See if he can survive the night. Everyone knows. There's

1867
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 8: no way in the world Joe Biden can survive a

1868
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 8: debate with someone like me.

1869
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 7: Then why the hell's he our candidate?

1870
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 8: Why don't we pick a strong candidate instead of a

1871
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 8: miserably weak candidate. I even bought wounded Antelope dot com.

1872
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 8: There's no chance he's gonna win. So, guys, it isn't

1873
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:04,639
Speaker 8: about Oh, if we just prop up the terrible candidate

1874
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 8: just a little harder, then maybe we could beat Trump. No,

1875
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 8: he's already losing young voters to Trump. He has no chance.

1876
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,759
Speaker 8: The correct path to beat Trump is get as many

1877
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 8: candidates in this race as humanly possible today today, get me,

1878
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 8: Governor Whitmer, Governor Shapiro, governor renews him. It doesn't matter.

1879
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 8: And by the way, put me in a debate with them.

1880
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 8: See how they do. Okay, because you need to be

1881
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:32,679
Speaker 8: tested by fire. Trump was tested by fire in twenty

1882
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 8: sixteen with seventeen candidates on the Republican side, and he won.

1883
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 8: Joe Biden had twenty seven candidates back in twenty twenty,

1884
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:43,200
Speaker 8: back before whatever it is that he has now has started,

1885
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 8: and he won, and it made him stronger, and it

1886
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 8: made him just barely.

1887
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 7: Strong enough to win in twenty twenty.

1888
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 8: So let's get a strong primary in here to get

1889
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 8: a strong candidate. Saying let's prop up the weak candidate

1890
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,520
Speaker 8: by doing propaganda on his behalf is a losing strategy

1891
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 8: and I will not participate in it.

1892
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 1: So Jank, last question for you. I just interviewed congresson

1893
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 1: and Dean Phillips, who obviously is also running in the

1894
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 1: Democratic primary, and he recently put out a tweet apologizing

1895
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 1: to Bernie Sanders. Leg Oh, turns out you were right.

1896
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 1: This process is rigged. Obviously. The DNC is not hosting

1897
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 1: any debates. They have no plans to host any debates.

1898
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 1: Was wondering if you have talked to Carson Phillips and

1899
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 1: Mary and Williamson about doing your own debate the three

1900
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,600
Speaker 1: of you, so at least you can see some competition

1901
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 1: of ideas in some democratic process.

1902
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1903
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 8: I've been doing that since the day that Dean Phillips

1904
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 8: entered the race, and I've already arranged two to three debates.

1905
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 8: But Dean's got a giddy up, so I don't know

1906
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 8: what he's waiting for.

1907
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 7: Guys, the three of us need oxygen. Let's keep it real.

1908
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 8: Mainstream media isn't like, hey, guys, come on air and

1909
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 8: listening town halls, right, So thank god for shows like

1910
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 8: Breaking Points and that way we can get our message out.

1911
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:57,639
Speaker 8: But yes, the three of us should be doing debates, forums,

1912
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:00,120
Speaker 8: town halls together. We should be doing it every week

1913
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 8: and if we can, every day, because people need to

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01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 8: know who Dean Phillips is, who Maryan Williamson is, who

1915
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 8: I am, and guys, you know, look, these presidential races

1916
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:11,560
Speaker 8: are really funny because you think two percent. I was

1917
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 8: kidding around about it before, like there's nothing to write

1918
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 8: home about it. Do you know what Donald Trump started at?

1919
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 8: And this is amazing. He started at one percent. People think, oh,

1920
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 8: he started with a big lead. No, he didn't know

1921
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 8: the first pall. He was out one percent. The difference

1922
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 8: between Donald Trump and someone like me or Maryann Williamson

1923
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 8: is the press just kept giving him the mic that

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Speaker 8: they would allow him on the air twenty four to

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Speaker 8: seven all over the media. Imagine if mainstream media allowed

1926
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Speaker 8: me on air twenty four to seven like they did

1927
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Speaker 8: with Donald Trump, I would be at twenty percent within

1928
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Speaker 8: the week.

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Speaker 7: I'd be at forty percent within the month.

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Speaker 8: So all we need is a little bit of oxygen

1931
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Speaker 8: to get going here. Anyone who like normal older Democratic

1932
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 8: voters haven't seen a person like me.

1933
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Speaker 7: They're used to whispering.

1934
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Speaker 8: Like, okay, now, try to be Donald Trump, but my

1935
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Speaker 8: Republicans are my friends.

1936
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Speaker 7: That's what they're used to. When they see somebody saying, no,

1937
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Speaker 7: goddamn it, paid family.

1938
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Speaker 8: Leaves at eighty four percent, they're purposely not doing it.

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Speaker 8: When I get in office, first thing inspired the parliamentarian

1940
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Speaker 8: and we're not gonna deal with any bs filibusters. Okay,

1941
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Speaker 8: we're gonna pass the bills that help your lives. We're

1942
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 8: gonna get your higher wages, we're gonna get lower drug prices.

1943
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Speaker 8: When they see that, they're they're gonna be They're gonna

1944
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Speaker 8: even if it's not me, they're gonna be thirsty for someone,

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Speaker 8: anyone who fights for them.

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Speaker 7: So Dean Marianne, let's go. Let's go.

1947
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Speaker 8: We should all be appearing together NonStop, and then shame

1948
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Speaker 8: Biden into it. Of course he's not gonna come because

1949
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Speaker 8: of the minute he comes, you've got a progressive lion

1950
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Speaker 8: like me.

1951
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Speaker 7: I'm sorry, but I'm keeping it real. Someone who actually wants.

1952
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Speaker 8: To pass the bills, who cares about your stupid ego,

1953
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 8: who cares? Who's the president? Did your pass bills or

1954
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Speaker 8: didn't you? He didn't even try with so many of

1955
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Speaker 8: the bills. He can't withstand a real debate. So we're

1956
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Speaker 8: gonna put up a guy against Donald Trump. We all

1957
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Speaker 8: know can't beat jank youuger in a debate. That's a fact.

1958
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Speaker 1: Hey, listen, you're not such a slash and a debate, Jank,

1959
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't sell yourself short on that regard. Listen, I'll

1960
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Speaker 1: go ahead and say we would love to host one

1961
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Speaker 1: of these debates if such a thing comes to fruition.

1962
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Speaker 1: And I'm always grateful for you taking the time to

1963
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Speaker 1: come on our show and inform our audience about what

1964
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Speaker 1: it is that you're up to.

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Speaker 8: All Right, thank you so much, guys, Jankfamerica dot com.

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Speaker 8: Don't let him take hope away from you. Okay, we're

1967
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Speaker 8: bringing hope back. We're gonna get caught trying, and we're

1968
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Speaker 8: gonna win. We're gonna shock the world because Joe Biden

1969
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Speaker 8: is not the guy. I am going to knock him

1970
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Speaker 8: out of this race. Hear me, now, quote me later.

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Speaker 1: All right, great to see you, Jank. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 7: Thank you guys.

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Speaker 4: All Right, well, it's Thanksgiving week, so we wanted to

1974
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Speaker 4: do a little Thanksgiving segment, Crystal, but we wanted to

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Speaker 4: do it maybe a little bit differently. Let's start with

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Speaker 4: some let's start with some pull numbers. Actually, we'll put

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Speaker 4: this first element up on the screen that shows six

1978
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Speaker 4: and ten Americans our hope to avoid politics at Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 4: This is from the Hill, a poll released Monday, found

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Speaker 4: that more than sixty percent of people say they would

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Speaker 4: rather not talk about politics over the holiday. This week,

1982
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Speaker 4: just twenty nine percent of people said they're looking forward

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Speaker 4: to talking about politics and family.

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Speaker 5: Actually, I have a lot of thoughts on this.

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Speaker 4: We also have some great questions and thoughts from you

1986
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Speaker 4: guys that will read, but let's start.

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Speaker 5: With the poll. Crystal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm actually a pro not in every case, Okay,

1989
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Speaker 4: but I do think that part of the problem here

1990
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Speaker 4: is that we can't talk about politics anymore with the

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Speaker 4: people that were closest with. So I think what really

1992
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Speaker 4: annoys people is forcing politics that I think is incredibly

1993
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Speaker 4: irritating if you're the person that's like picking at everyone

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Speaker 4: and trying to force everyone to have uncomfortable political discussions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, on the other hand.

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Speaker 4: I think we should all be better about making it

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Speaker 4: possible to a tough conversation about politics and religion, because

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Speaker 4: if you can't find empathy for the people who are

1999
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Speaker 4: literally your family, who have different perspectives than you, you're

2000
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Speaker 4: definitely not going to find empathy for the random internet

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Speaker 4: poster who has a different perspective from you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I would say the thing that irritates

2003
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Speaker 1: me is when someone comes in I don't I don't

2004
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 1: hate if someone brings up politics. In fact, sometimes like

2005
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 1: I like to hear from other people how they're processing

2006
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:24,679
Speaker 1: an event, Like I may just ask some questions rather

2007
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 1: than really offer my opinion, because I spent enough of

2008
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:29,400
Speaker 1: my life offering my opinion is all available for anyone

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01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 1: else there. I wants to know what I think about

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Speaker 1: any number of issues it's available, So I like it

2011
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Speaker 1: more to like hear from other people how they're taking

2012
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Speaker 1: an information, more normal people. So there's that. The thing

2013
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Speaker 1: that bothers me, though, is when someone comes in super

2014
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Speaker 1: hot with a super controversial take and presents it like

2015
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:52,519
Speaker 1: there's an assumption that, yeah, like everybody obviously agrees with me.

2016
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Speaker 1: You're an idiot, you know what I mean, And you're

2017
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:56,200
Speaker 1: an idiot if you don't desert, And there's just like

2018
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Speaker 1: a blanket assumption that, of course everyone must agree with

2019
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Speaker 1: this super controversial, super fringe take. I find that strange.

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Speaker 1: I find it sort of like disrespectful. So I will

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Speaker 1: say I'm in the camp that intends to avoid politics

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01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 1: going into Thanksgiving, but I often fail because I just

2023
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 1: to occupy so much of my mind I almost like

2024
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 1: can't help myself from making some kind of comment that's

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Speaker 1: at least a little bit political.

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Speaker 5: You're the problem, I am.

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Speaker 1: I am the problem.

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Speaker 5: It's me.

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Speaker 1: But we did get some interesting responses from you guys

2030
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Speaker 1: about how you think about this, so we've got Ponce.

2031
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 1: Gomez says, when in doubt, instigate.

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Speaker 5: That's the Ryan griom a broach.

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Speaker 1: See. I'm not to ask Ryan when he was here,

2034
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Speaker 1: because I feel like he would be the type that,

2035
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:47,800
Speaker 1: in his very like low key way, would offer some

2036
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 1: super hot takes and see what happens in his very

2037
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 1: chill way. But anyway, he says, holidays are a great

2038
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:56,639
Speaker 1: time to discover the secret extremist in the family. Love

2039
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:58,839
Speaker 1: starting the holiday off right with a few hot buttons

2040
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Speaker 1: and watch how the turkey likes fly. We have another one.

2041
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:04,640
Speaker 1: Joseph Turner Patterson the Second says, in the past, I've

2042
01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 1: always either avoided political convos with my family or tried

2043
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:10,599
Speaker 1: to redirect them to our few areas of agreement. Because

2044
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:12,680
Speaker 1: my descent is typically met with anger. I have no

2045
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:15,360
Speaker 1: illusions I can change their minds about anything. However, my

2046
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 1: dad recently pressed me on the subject of Israel, and

2047
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:19,280
Speaker 1: I decided to hold my ground. He is the typical,

2048
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:22,519
Speaker 1: unquestioningly is pro Israel boomer, and I am very much not,

2049
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: and it actually remained very civil. That's hopeful with this

2050
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:28,600
Speaker 1: says from VP. On certain talking points, you're welcome. So

2051
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: if that specific topic comes up, I'm going to lean

2052
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 1: into it and see what happens. But anything else I

2053
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,680
Speaker 1: will probably continue to avoid. Those hills just aren't worth

2054
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 1: dying on. So that's an interesting perspective of like, this

2055
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 1: issue is so important to me that I'm willing to

2056
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:44,679
Speaker 1: have things be a little uncomfortable to actually assert my view.

2057
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,360
Speaker 4: But that commic gets exactly what I mean by this

2058
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 4: is that like, actually the conversations with the people you

2059
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 4: care about and you have an emotional investment in, as

2060
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 4: opposed to random people on the internet or as opposed

2061
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:57,120
Speaker 4: to I don't know, some person at a bar, whatever

2062
01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:00,519
Speaker 4: it is, that's where you actually make more grind if

2063
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:03,680
Speaker 4: you can, Like, that's the space in our communities, in

2064
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:07,680
Speaker 4: our families where you can be persuasive because people are invested.

2065
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:08,760
Speaker 5: In you, they know you, they care about you.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like, if we can't have these conversations

2067
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:13,639
Speaker 4: in this context, which largely we can't and for sometimes

2068
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 4: you shouldn't be forcing these conversations because it's going to

2069
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:19,679
Speaker 4: end poorly. You're going to be putting politics over family.

2070
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 4: So I get that, but we should all try to

2071
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:24,680
Speaker 4: be in a situation where we can have those conversations.

2072
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Speaker 5: And I think that's what there's this next convers.

2073
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Speaker 1: Ut in this one.

2074
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:29,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, this one is.

2075
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:33,720
Speaker 4: I'm gonna mess up your name pajnaj Real BP does

2076
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:35,560
Speaker 4: a great job with differences of opinion. I know just

2077
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 4: one person will always say, quote, you are making an

2078
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:39,559
Speaker 4: important point, that's such an important point that you're making,

2079
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:41,799
Speaker 4: et cetera, even though that person has very different opinions

2080
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:43,680
Speaker 4: on the matter. I might allow someone to share their

2081
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:45,639
Speaker 4: opinion at the holiday table, but I don't offer mine

2082
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:48,720
Speaker 4: unless they're expressing a desire to understand my perspective.

2083
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 5: That's so key.

2084
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:51,880
Speaker 4: I think it would then take. I would then take

2085
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:53,720
Speaker 4: the Emily approach. She stays to the audience that she

2086
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:56,839
Speaker 4: comes from an evangelical Christian perspective, but she's not screaming

2087
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:58,840
Speaker 4: into the camera that everyone else is a baby killer.

2088
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:00,920
Speaker 4: And that one reminded me when we got from John

2089
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Speaker 4: Isaac Schumart, who named Josh Sager and says, I do

2090
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 4: not bring up politics when you're done with boomers. It

2091
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 4: is inevitable when you dine with boomers, it's inevitable to

2092
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:11,439
Speaker 4: come up. I pull a saga and ask what do

2093
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:14,160
Speaker 4: you think, and then follow Ice Tea's advice, let them talk.

2094
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 4: Eventually they get it all out of the system and

2095
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 4: the conversation moves on. Rarely they care what I actually think.

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01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 4: And the reason these comments stood out Crystal is that,

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01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:24,200
Speaker 4: especially over the last month, I'm sure Sager has gotten

2098
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 4: some of this too. People will say, and you probably

2099
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:30,280
Speaker 4: have as well. What you do on Crystal Kylin Friends

2100
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 4: is different than what you do on Breaking Points. So

2101
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:34,880
Speaker 4: people will say, you know, when Emily's on with Megan

2102
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Speaker 4: Kelly or when Emily's on Federalist Radio Hour, you know,

2103
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 4: just a it's a much more sort of crystallized conservative

2104
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 4: perspective than when she's talking to Ryan or when she's

2105
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 4: talking to Crystal. And I'm sure that also is true

2106
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:48,840
Speaker 4: when you're on Crystal Kylin Friends. And that's we have

2107
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 4: to learn how to how to have these conversations in

2108
01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:54,519
Speaker 4: different contexts. You don't talk the same way when you're

2109
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 4: trying to be you know, polite and persuasive with someone

2110
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 4: you disagree with as you do and you're talking to

2111
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:01,360
Speaker 4: someone who agrees with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's true. It very much depends on

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01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 1: the audience and the context, etc.

2114
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2115
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:08,720
Speaker 2: You know.

2116
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:12,040
Speaker 1: One thing that I always get a little nervous about

2117
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:15,639
Speaker 1: is people will start if you're in a Thanksgiving holiday

2118
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 1: setting where you don't necessarily know everyone. You know, there

2119
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Speaker 1: are some friends there, of relatives that you haven't met

2120
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:23,800
Speaker 1: yet or whatever, which is often the case for me.

2121
01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:26,080
Speaker 1: They'll start asking me like, oh, what do you do?

2122
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:29,439
Speaker 1: And I like, I don't know, how do you answer

2123
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 1: that question? Because I try to keep it as vague

2124
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:35,800
Speaker 1: as possible, Not because usually if you get if they

2125
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:38,600
Speaker 1: drill down enough to like, oh, you talk about politics

2126
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:40,840
Speaker 1: for a living. Not because I'm worried they're going to

2127
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 1: ask me questions about it, because that oftentimes makes other

2128
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:46,880
Speaker 1: people uncomfortable. If they know you're super political, then it

2129
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:49,599
Speaker 1: puts them on edge. So I try to be really

2130
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:51,599
Speaker 1: generic and vague when I'm answering that question.

2131
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 5: Yes, so do I. But then sometimes they'll ask you.

2132
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Speaker 4: The follow us and you're like, all right, I'm a journalist,

2133
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:58,000
Speaker 4: or like like, oh, who for.

2134
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Speaker 1: It right, you can't get away with it. We got

2135
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:05,559
Speaker 1: one last one here from Jessica Seger. She says, I'm

2136
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:08,240
Speaker 1: happy to talk politics that Thanksgiving to help educate my relatives.

2137
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:11,799
Speaker 1: These only news sources are unhinged Facebook posts, word opinions

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01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:15,160
Speaker 1: means we all know that person because they actually trust

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying and have told me that is helpful. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's very nice. Some of them outright ask me who

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Speaker 1: to vote for because I'm considered one of the smartest

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Speaker 1: people in my family. Oh, that's lovely for you, Jessica.

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Speaker 1: Believe me, the bars beneath the ground and we need.

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Speaker 5: A metal detender.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of a lovely sentiment though, that her relatives,

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Speaker 1: even the ones who are you know, mostly looking at

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Speaker 1: unge and Facebook posts, respect her opinion and are looking

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Speaker 4: People are desperate for good information, and again, I think

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Speaker 4: that is another reason I don't know. I love talking

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Speaker 4: to you and Ryan because it just is. It's so helpful.

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Speaker 4: It's so helpful because when you're having those conversations, you

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Speaker 4: realize what you get wrong because the other person has

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Speaker 4: the best version of the other argument. Hopefully they have

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Speaker 4: versions of the other argument that you've never thought of,

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Speaker 4: you've never heard, and so it's just really helpful to

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Speaker 4: be able to say, here, Lixten, we might disagree, here's

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Speaker 4: one thing maybe you haven't thought of, or here's one

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Speaker 4: thing I find interesting about your perspective and ask questions.

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Speaker 4: That's just I feel like Thanksgiving is actually if you're

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Speaker 4: not forcing it, if you're not putting politics over family.

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Speaker 4: I feel like family gatherings are actually not the worst

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Speaker 4: place in the world. But that's my unpopular opinion.

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Speaker 1: Well, I am thankful for you too, Emily, and thankful

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Speaker 1: for all of you guys out there in the world.

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Speaker 1: Hope you have a beautiful Thanksgiving Day, Thanksgiving weekend, however

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Speaker 1: you celebrate it. And we are going to have some

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Speaker 1: content that is posting some great interviews. I did one

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Speaker 1: with Norman Finkelstein, sagrated one with Jocko. Those are going

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Speaker 1: to post a little bit early for premium subscribers, but

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Speaker 1: they'll be available for everyone at some point. I don't

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Speaker 1: really remember the schedule off the top of my head,

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Speaker 1: so stay tuned for that. Love you, guys, and we'll

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Speaker 1: see you back here with a full normal week of

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Speaker 1: shows next week.

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Speaker 16: Keep don't keep shot kept shut with.

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Speaker 8: Shot with

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