Speaker 1: What's that.
Speaker 2: It's spooky.
Speaker 3: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, I said, ms nadas.
Speaker 3: Please, hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted
Speaker 3: by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people
Speaker 3: that I like about weird and freaky shit. Today, I'm
Speaker 3: going to be talking to two of my faves, Oh
Speaker 3: my god, Kara Klank and Lisa Tragger. You might know
Speaker 3: them from the podcast here on Exactly Right called That's
Speaker 3: Messed Up. I love them both. Kara's been on the
Speaker 3: show before, and now we got Liza. It's gonna be
Speaker 3: fun to hear the two of them in their perspectives.
Speaker 3: But before we get into that, let me read you
Speaker 3: a story from a listener. This one comes from Kelly,
Speaker 3: who emailed me. Thanks Kelly. Kelly writes, Hi, Raz, here's
Speaker 3: a short ghost story. I was in my early twenties,
Speaker 3: living at home, working full time, and going to school
Speaker 3: at night. One day, at work, all day, I kept
Speaker 3: feeling like someone was standing behind me at the entrance
Speaker 3: of my cubicle, like they had a question.
Speaker 2: Hmmm.
Speaker 3: I kept turning around, but no one would be there.
Speaker 3: I had a coworker who liked to play pranks on people,
Speaker 3: and standing behind you without saying anything, waiting for you
Speaker 3: to notice is totally something he would do. But every
Speaker 3: time I turned around, no one was there. I even
Speaker 3: got up to go to his desk to yell at
Speaker 3: him to leave me alone, but he was in his chair,
Speaker 3: headphones on, deep in the middle of a project. I
Speaker 3: felt crazy, but the feeling was so strong I couldn't
Speaker 3: stop turning around all day looking for whoever was behind me.
Speaker 3: After work, I went straight to school, and I was
Speaker 3: so tired of feeling watched that I sat in the
Speaker 3: back row against a cinder black wall, just so I
Speaker 3: would know that there was no one behind me. But
Speaker 3: I still had the feeling, to the point where I
Speaker 3: kept turning around just to look at this wall. My
Speaker 3: classmates must have thought I was insane. I would have
Speaker 3: brushed this off as my exhaustion from how busy my
Speaker 3: schedule was. But when I got home, my mom met
Speaker 3: me at the door. She said, oh, you're alone. I said,
Speaker 3: of course, I'm alone. I was at work in school
Speaker 3: and it's ten pm on a weeknight. Who would be
Speaker 3: with me? She said, I don't know, but I thought
Speaker 3: I saw someone walking in behind you. I was shook,
Speaker 3: but too tired to even process it. I went to
Speaker 3: bed and never had anything like that happen again. My
Speaker 3: theory is that a ghost was doing a trial run
Speaker 3: of haunting me, but decided that watching me go from
Speaker 3: work to school to bed was too boring to bother.
Speaker 3: I hope they don't give me a second chance now
Speaker 3: that I'm done with school and probably more entertaining to haunt. Okay,
Speaker 3: thank you, Kelly. I guess the lesson here is don't
Speaker 3: be too exciting or a ghost will want to follow you.
Speaker 3: Now that's not it. That can't be it. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but either way terrifying. I'm so glad it only happened
Speaker 3: to you for one day, because I can't be dealing
Speaker 3: with that. I don't like that living dead. I don't care.
Speaker 3: Nobody's going around with me everywhere I go, shadowing me.
Speaker 3: Now where are we going?
Speaker 2: Ooh?
Speaker 3: What's this? No?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Now, If you've listened back to the feed of the show,
Speaker 3: or you've been listening for a while, then you know
Speaker 3: that we do listener episodes. I love these listener phone
Speaker 3: call extravaganzas. Basically, the way that it works is I'll
Speaker 3: talk to I don't know three or four, who knows
Speaker 3: how many of you per episode, and I want some submissions.
Speaker 3: I want you to send in your stories so that
Speaker 3: we can possibly have you on in the future. Send
Speaker 3: me an email at ghosted by raz at gmail dot com.
Speaker 3: Put in the subject line listener episode, so that way
Speaker 3: I'll know that that's what you're doing. Here, here's the
Speaker 3: criteria I'm looking for. I don't want you to spend
Speaker 3: way too much time typing out your stories. And also
Speaker 3: if it's super long, I might not read it. Give
Speaker 3: me some bullet points with enough information so that I
Speaker 3: know what kind of stories you have. You know, for example,
Speaker 3: you could be like, lived in a house for seven
Speaker 3: years that was haunted. I would see a woman with
Speaker 3: a blue dress on walking through the hallway, like, just
Speaker 3: you know, that's sort of a thing. I love a
Speaker 3: good beginning, middle end. My favorites are definitely people that
Speaker 3: lived in a haunted house or currently live in one
Speaker 3: for a long time. Lots and lots of stories there.
Speaker 3: I also love Have you been abducted by an alien?
Speaker 3: I'd love to hear that. Have you had sex with
Speaker 3: a ghost.
Speaker 2: Or an alien?
Speaker 3: Tell me about it? Have you seen Bigfoot? Ugh, you know,
Speaker 3: I've never had a Bigfoot on the show. Would you
Speaker 3: be the first Bigfoot on my show? I'd love that.
Speaker 3: I get a lot of sleep paralysis stories and Ouiji
Speaker 3: board stories, so the competition is stiff when it comes
Speaker 3: to those two. So if you got one of those stories,
Speaker 3: make sure you send it in if it's just like extraordinary,
Speaker 3: out of this world, the scariest one you've ever heard.
Speaker 3: So me and my team we're gonna look through within
Speaker 3: the next few weeks, and then we'll reach out to
Speaker 3: you if we want to have you on the show. Guys,
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to Kara Klank and Lisa Trager
Speaker 3: from That's Messed Up and we're gonna get into aliens today.
Speaker 3: Do you like aliens? Let me know I like it.
Speaker 3: I think it's all part of the same conversation here,
Speaker 3: all of this kind of unexplained stuff. I think they
Speaker 3: could be more connected to ghosts, encryptid creatures, and psychic
Speaker 3: abilities more than we even know. But who knows. It's
Speaker 3: fun to talk about.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: Here we go. Time to talk to Kara Klank and
Speaker 3: Lisa Trager on with the show. Wow, I am beyond
Speaker 3: thrilled to have some of my exactly right sisters. I
Speaker 3: can now say I'm now part of the family. So
Speaker 3: we've got a return customer. We've got Kara Klank. Hello,
Speaker 3: Kara's brought along a little friend. I see a little
Speaker 3: friend here, Kara, who's your friend?
Speaker 5: This is my co host of That's Messed Up in
Speaker 5: SVU podcast, The.
Speaker 4: Hilarious Lisa Traeger. Hello, thrilled to be here. Hi, Lisa,
Speaker 4: I love ghosts.
Speaker 3: Well, when I saw you recently when we were doing
Speaker 3: a show, I was admiring your oe gee board planned
Speaker 3: chet tattoo on your arm. Yes, I said, Lisa, is freaky.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I didn't know what it was called.
Speaker 4: It's such a hard word for me to keep in
Speaker 4: my brain plan chat. I always want to call it tabernacle,
Speaker 4: but I don't even know what that means. It's like
Speaker 4: Kate Planchat.
Speaker 3: Exactly, spooky drag queen.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Kate Planchat is a great name for
Speaker 5: a spooky drag queen.
Speaker 4: Seriously, wait, that's not in existence, No it is now.
Speaker 6: You just came up with that, yeah, damn.
Speaker 5: But also, Liza and I were just talking yesterday in
Speaker 5: a separate conversation obviously about our favorite emojis, and she
Speaker 5: loves the ghost emoji, one of her favorite emojis.
Speaker 6: He's just like partying and I love that.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 4: It's like the ghost is up to no good and
Speaker 4: he's freaky and he's trying to like get fucked like
Speaker 4: I love the little Gustomers.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that.
Speaker 2: Ghost is getting high and horny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we have to assume that it at one
Speaker 3: point was someone that died and now this is them
Speaker 3: in ghost form. So it was probably something like, well,
Speaker 3: party a boo, Nick and Ni get laid.
Speaker 6: It's the disco guy emoji, but dead.
Speaker 3: He died at Studio fifty four.
Speaker 4: Oh, I do want to say something if that's okay,
Speaker 4: okay please? So I go on postsecret dot com. I
Speaker 4: don't know, are you a fan of Postsecret?
Speaker 3: I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 4: So I found out about it when I was in
Speaker 4: high school. I bought like a hardcover post Secret book
Speaker 4: for a friend's birthday, and then what it is? It
Speaker 4: started as this blog like a suicide prevention thing where
Speaker 4: people would send in secrets on postcards. And it's the
Speaker 4: number one visited website with no advertisements. Still to this day,
Speaker 4: and every Sunday it's uploaded new postcards that people send
Speaker 4: him with secrets and some are spooky, some are sad,
Speaker 4: some are silly, and they're all just different people's secrets
Speaker 4: and they try to theme it out. So Mother's Day
Speaker 4: it's usually a lot of mother's secrets. There was one
Speaker 4: once around Halloween that changed everything. Okay, it said I
Speaker 4: was at the cemetery and I invited all the spirits
Speaker 4: to come back with me. Biggest mistake of my life.
Speaker 6: Wow?
Speaker 3: Is that where it ended?
Speaker 6: That was it?
Speaker 4: And so it has haunted me forever because I'm always
Speaker 4: like I want to see a ghost.
Speaker 6: I want to see a ghost. And then when I
Speaker 6: read that, I was like.
Speaker 4: Oh, stop asking, I gotta stop wishing for the ghosts.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing. They have nowhere to be. They're dead.
Speaker 3: They're just waiting to get invited to an after party.
Speaker 3: They will be there, right, I mean, then what it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: everyone has to go back to the graveyard like it's
Speaker 3: getting late.
Speaker 5: Like I don't want that, I know, because then the
Speaker 5: ghost turns into like that person at your party at
Speaker 5: like two am, and you're like everybody's kind of gone home,
Speaker 5: and the ghost is like, want to hear some more music?
Speaker 3: Right? Well, they say three am is when they really
Speaker 3: come alive, So is that the rule? Three am? I
Speaker 3: mean they called that the witching hour approximately three am,
Speaker 3: But I'm always like, did they know when it's a
Speaker 3: time change?
Speaker 2: Are they on daylight savings?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly.
Speaker 4: Most of my friends that our parents call witching hour
Speaker 4: the hour before sleep time for kids.
Speaker 6: I guess that's when they go the most nuts.
Speaker 2: My son had a huge witching hour.
Speaker 5: He would just cry uncontrollably from six to seven every
Speaker 5: night for a while.
Speaker 2: Oh god.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: The only thing I got to stop him doing it
Speaker 5: was I started playing like baby Mozart to him and
Speaker 5: he liked that and would chill out. Oh I would
Speaker 5: rather a three am ghost than a six pm crying baby.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if I had to choose.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, Kara, I know you're a little skeptical of this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 3: Where are you at on this, Liza?
Speaker 6: I believe if you can't prove it wrong, I believe.
Speaker 3: Okay, this should be interesting. That's why you guys are
Speaker 3: such a good duo together.
Speaker 4: I believe in ghosts, aliens. What else is out there?
Speaker 3: Bigfoot. What about Bigfoot?
Speaker 6: No, not bigfoot, bigfoots where I draw the line?
Speaker 2: Why Bigfoot to me?
Speaker 4: I mean, I like the lore, but I do believe
Speaker 4: that if we found a Bigfoot, he'd be in a zoo.
Speaker 4: Like I just I don't believe that there's this bigfoot
Speaker 4: that's evaded all these you know, poachers.
Speaker 6: I just don't buy it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I liked Harry and the Hendersons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, classic.
Speaker 4: And I love the Abominable Snowman. He's like a cousin
Speaker 4: I think of Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah Yeahti's like, there's so many different bigfoot type
Speaker 3: creatures that people report seeing, and I believe.
Speaker 6: You believe Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. But when you say I've
Speaker 3: never heard someone say poacher like, because now I'm like,
Speaker 3: I kind of want a bigfoot coat. I don't wear
Speaker 3: for but there's some video where Bigfoot to hair is gorgeous.
Speaker 3: It truly is.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know why my association with Bigfoot is so upsetting.
Speaker 4: It's probably because it seems like a.
Speaker 6: Man in costume in a costume. Yeah, yeah, I don't
Speaker 6: buy it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: Oh, I also believe in mediums, mediums, all of that
Speaker 4: I believe in that.
Speaker 3: Have you been to mediums?
Speaker 4: No, there's one I've been dming and I want to
Speaker 4: go to her. And obviously something is like scaring me
Speaker 4: a little to not go. But it's I keep just
Speaker 4: paying for other things, but I want to go to
Speaker 4: this one medium who I believe in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's me. Like if I get a check, I
Speaker 3: usually go right to a damn medium, and a lot
Speaker 3: of times I regret it. I mean, at the moment,
Speaker 3: it feels like they're always like hmm, seems like things
Speaker 3: are going well for you right now. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: because you cost one hundred dollars and no one would
Speaker 3: just give you one hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: No, this one.
Speaker 4: I heard about it on a podcast, So Busy Phillips
Speaker 4: was on Les Culturista's podcast.
Speaker 3: She was also just last week on this podcast.
Speaker 4: Get the Fuck Out. Yeah, yeah, did she tell you
Speaker 4: about the medium? Yes with Shantira. Yes, Oh my god,
Speaker 4: that's the medium I want to go to.
Speaker 3: Okay, that sounds like a pretty good one.
Speaker 4: Let's put our cash together and go. I want to
Speaker 4: meet all My grandparents were dead before I was born,
Speaker 4: so that's like my goal. I want to like get
Speaker 4: some messaging from my grandparents.
Speaker 3: The thing that was interesting though, and here's why I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna give any money at this moment, is because
Speaker 3: Shantira went to the psychic and the psychic had a
Speaker 3: message for Busy, even though Busy didn't even pay. So
Speaker 3: maybe if you go, maybe I'll get a little, you know,
Speaker 3: a little fall off to the side.
Speaker 2: Oh and tell raz Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm gonna wait and see how that goes
Speaker 3: for you. But have you ever encountered a ghost or
Speaker 3: anything like that?
Speaker 6: Sadly no, Wow.
Speaker 4: I've had like moments from like oh, the universe has
Speaker 4: my back, or like something's up, or I can't believe
Speaker 4: this is so perfectly timed. Yeah, but never a third party,
Speaker 4: like never.
Speaker 3: Are you like a fate person? Remind me, Kara where
Speaker 3: you're at on that.
Speaker 5: I'm the same, Like I believe in fate. I think
Speaker 5: that there's like things that are beyond coincidence a little bit.
Speaker 5: But I'm a skeptic on the ghost front. Yeah, I've
Speaker 5: never really had a thing. I've never really seen anything ghosty.
Speaker 5: But I will say after I did your podcast, the
Speaker 5: first time I get a text message I'm talking to
Speaker 5: my friends about how I did your podcast and how
Speaker 5: I don't I don't really believe in ghosts. And I
Speaker 5: get this text message from an unknown number, a number
Speaker 5: I don't have in my phone, and it's a video
Speaker 5: and it says I was once like you, a realist,
Speaker 5: afraid of nothing supernatural. And then it's this video, this
Speaker 5: ten second video that is like a girl in front
Speaker 5: of her TV, just like partying, and then you can
Speaker 5: see her friend is taking a video of her.
Speaker 4: She's playing a game. It's a game where it's like
Speaker 4: a wooden surfboard on the wall.
Speaker 5: Yes, she's holding like a washer and trying to get
Speaker 5: it to hit like a hook on the wall.
Speaker 2: And when the girl pans around to see the wall,
Speaker 2: let me look at this.
Speaker 5: You see, for like a half a second what looks
Speaker 5: like a woman in a nightgown walking in the hallway.
Speaker 2: Nope, it's terrifying.
Speaker 5: It's pretty scary. And I wrote who is this? And
Speaker 5: they wrote friends of a friend, and then the message
Speaker 5: says they moved out like a month later. And then
Speaker 5: my friends that I was with told me that it
Speaker 5: was our friend Zach who had sent it to me.
Speaker 5: But then I just asked him if he knew the
Speaker 5: people from the video.
Speaker 2: He doesn't.
Speaker 4: So this is like a video that's circulating. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: it gives me chills to watch it. But this actually
Speaker 4: makes me skeptical, like I believe something like this would happen,
Speaker 4: but like it could be their friend.
Speaker 6: But it gives me chills to watch it. I'm watching
Speaker 6: it again.
Speaker 3: If you're listening to this, I'm going to put it
Speaker 3: in our Instagram. Ghosted by Roz.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: Okay, wait, okay, wait, he just sent me the TikTok.
Speaker 5: He goes, wow, I found it. This says ghost in
Speaker 5: NYC apartment on the TikTok. It doesn't have that many faves.
Speaker 3: So yes, we pan over and yeah, you do see
Speaker 3: someone who I don't know if I believe it. I
Speaker 3: think it's scary. I want to say that they rehearse this,
Speaker 3: Like the fact that they turned it right at the
Speaker 3: tail end of when you can see this person walking through,
Speaker 3: it's suspicious to me.
Speaker 4: It's definitely suspicious. But they did a good job because
Speaker 4: I do get shivers.
Speaker 3: Oh, they did a great job.
Speaker 6: I get shivers.
Speaker 3: I mean they're masters of horror for sure. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: is it real. I don't know. That's the problem with
Speaker 3: ghost stuff just in general. In today's day and age,
Speaker 3: you will never be able to get proof that won't
Speaker 3: make some asshole like me be like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: Like there's nothing you can do at this point, right,
Speaker 3: Like toddlers can straight up make CGI on their parents'
Speaker 3: iPads at this.
Speaker 5: Point exactly, We've seen like the most sophisticated deep fakes.
Speaker 5: So there's almost like nothing you could do to prove
Speaker 5: paranormal stuff.
Speaker 4: I feel like, I know, you just have to experience
Speaker 4: it and that's that, and then no one will believe you.
Speaker 6: Like Jesus.
Speaker 3: Well, this is actually an interesting segue because like.
Speaker 4: Jesus, oh, like you know, you can't just see like
Speaker 4: I'm the son of God. No one buys it to
Speaker 4: like come back from the dead three days later, you know.
Speaker 4: Oh right, if Jesus happened today, we wouldn't believe that person.
Speaker 3: That's probably true.
Speaker 2: And I would say a bunch of us still don't.
Speaker 2: A bunch of us really don't believe it.
Speaker 6: I believe he was a chill dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But at the time, I mean, he had a
Speaker 3: lot of witnesses. There were a lot of people that
Speaker 3: saw it. And he was also like, you know that
Speaker 3: book you guys have been working on write this and
Speaker 3: there because I want people to be talking about this
Speaker 3: for years. Okay, so there's a story I wanted to
Speaker 3: talk about that is a UFO story.
Speaker 6: Nice.
Speaker 3: Now we already know that Lisa's into this kind of
Speaker 3: a thing. Kara, remind me where are you at on UFOs?
Speaker 5: Not really not really believing it, but what are you
Speaker 5: talking about?
Speaker 4: The info was just declassified. I mean, there is absolutely aliens,
Speaker 4: I guess I've never seen any proof.
Speaker 3: There's definitely unidentified objects in the sky. That is like
Speaker 3: a fact. But are they from another blanner? Are they
Speaker 3: you know, creatures operating them? Are they human like we?
Speaker 3: Actually that is still kind of debatable. But this case
Speaker 3: right here I'm about to tell you about is one
Speaker 3: that people call one of the most convincing ever. It's
Speaker 3: known as the Pascagoula UFO incident. So most of the
Speaker 3: information I got here is from a twenty twenty article
Speaker 3: by Brian Bloom for the Mississippi Clarion Ledger, and I'm
Speaker 3: also a twenty twenty one article by Alexandra Kennon in
Speaker 3: Country Roads magazine. Okay, so we're going to Pascagoula, Mississippi.
Speaker 3: You guys do any live shows there? Nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 3: we're talking about nineteen year old Kelvin Parker and forty
Speaker 3: two year old Charles Hickson. They are co workers together.
Speaker 3: They work at a shipyard. One night after work, Charles
Speaker 3: is like, hey, let's go fishing in the Pasca Goola River.
Speaker 3: They go out there. They start at one location. There's
Speaker 3: too many bugs, so they moved to this other area,
Speaker 3: even though there's like signs that say no fishing. Calvin,
Speaker 3: the younger guy, he's like, I don't want to, like
Speaker 3: go to jail and get busted, and Charles is like, honey,
Speaker 3: it's fine. I do this all the time. Shortly after that,
Speaker 3: as they're fishing in this area, notices a blue light
Speaker 3: reflecting off of the river. He's like, ah, fuck, it's
Speaker 3: the cops. I knew it. But it wasn't the cops.
Speaker 3: It was a big, huge, oval shaped aircraft about eighty
Speaker 3: feet wide, emitting a bright blue light, hovering approximately two
Speaker 3: feet from the ground, making just a slight hissing sound.
Speaker 3: He says, three creatures floated out of it. They had
Speaker 3: no legs. They had hands that looked like mittens or crab.
Speaker 3: One of them had no neck with a wrinkled gray skin.
Speaker 3: One of them had a neck and it was more feminine.
Speaker 3: They were about five feet tall with one single leg
Speaker 3: with toe like appendages on the end. So where are
Speaker 3: we at so far on this believing it?
Speaker 5: Here's my problem with like a lot of alien stuff.
Speaker 5: Why are they always just like creepy versions of us?
Speaker 5: Like if there are aliens, in my opinion, they are
Speaker 5: not going to just be like humans with gills or
Speaker 5: like humans that can stand and walk on two feet
Speaker 5: and have like toes and have you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Like I believe more that it's like these big blobs
Speaker 5: that can talk to each other or whatever.
Speaker 4: Like I mean, this one doesn't have a neck in
Speaker 4: a crabclaw hand.
Speaker 6: I don't know if that's human.
Speaker 2: Well one is more feminine.
Speaker 5: It's like the story is like, well, there was a
Speaker 5: man one and a girl one, you know, Like I
Speaker 5: don't know, it's.
Speaker 3: Well, let me make this story a little bit more
Speaker 3: interesting because Calvin, he's nineteen years old, but it's in
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy three, nineteen jiha, Can you throw up the
Speaker 3: picture of the two of them. That's a maon. Okay,
Speaker 3: Calvin could abduct me, honey, I'll yeah, I got some
Speaker 3: crab claws right here.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he's got a nice mutton chop happening there.
Speaker 3: I'm not yeah, I'm not into the sideburns. But Calvin
Speaker 3: is fine.
Speaker 6: Calvin's sexy.
Speaker 4: And that other man he's lived for four hundred years,
Speaker 4: like I have seen him in history books and in
Speaker 4: present day.
Speaker 3: Well it's nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 4: I mean that man has lived forever I could tell.
Speaker 4: But the hot one looks like he saw something dark. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's definitely going through it. That's sorrow in his eyes
Speaker 4: and like confusion.
Speaker 3: That is a photo of them after well, we'll get
Speaker 3: to that part. So the creatures that are floating out
Speaker 3: grab them by their arms and float them over to
Speaker 3: the UFO. A lot of the accounts that have more
Speaker 3: recently been featured in like these articles that I've read,
Speaker 3: are from Calvin, because he's still alive, and so he
Speaker 3: says they kind of like went along with it because
Speaker 3: they were injected with something that calmed them down and
Speaker 3: they were just like there for it. He was taken
Speaker 3: down a long hallway and into an examination room on
Speaker 3: a table that was made of glass glass love that
Speaker 3: a square shaped object about the size of a deck
Speaker 3: of cards came out from the ceiling of this room
Speaker 3: and it circled around him, almost like an mri. Then
Speaker 3: a beautiful, more human looking creature entered the room and
Speaker 3: she had a real long middle finger. At this point,
Speaker 3: he can't move. She opens his mouth and she runs
Speaker 3: her hand down his throat, causing him to gag so
Speaker 3: much that he's even like bleeding. It's like aggressive Charles.
Speaker 3: The other guy says that he's put into a room
Speaker 3: where a machine examines him that looked like what he
Speaker 3: can only describe is like a big eye, and it
Speaker 3: was looking all over him, and then it laughed, and
Speaker 3: then he was kind of in the room alone. And
Speaker 3: then they were taken back right where they were found,
Speaker 3: where they were fishing. They go back their car. The
Speaker 3: window is smashed and they had a little bit of
Speaker 3: trouble starting and they get in the car. They're like,
Speaker 3: what was that. We cannot tell anyone. No one's gonna
Speaker 3: believe us. And then the older guy was kind of like,
Speaker 3: let's call the air force. They call, They're like, we
Speaker 3: don't deal with this kind of thing called the cops,
Speaker 3: which the cops don't deal with us either, but whatever.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, where's the X files, baby, that's who we
Speaker 4: need exactly.
Speaker 3: Now keep in mind this is nineteen seventy three, like
Speaker 3: this is still like some pretty out there shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't even know about the X Files yet exactly.
Speaker 3: So they go to the police station, they go downtown
Speaker 3: and their question and this is when it starts to
Speaker 3: get like maybe more convincing for someone like Cara over here.
Speaker 3: So they actually recorded them secretly, like they like left
Speaker 3: the room and kept the recorder going. They they maintain
Speaker 3: their story in the recording. You can listen to online
Speaker 3: and I have listened to it, and I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 3: I don't know if this because it was fifty years ago.
Speaker 3: They do have very thick Mississippi accents. This is some
Speaker 3: of the quotes that they say in there. Jesus Christ,
Speaker 3: God have mercy. I thought I had been through hell
Speaker 3: enough on this earth, and now I've got to go
Speaker 3: through something like this, said Hickson. But they could have
Speaker 3: you know, I guess, well, they could have harmed us son.
Speaker 3: And then the younger guy's like, yeah, they had us.
Speaker 3: They could have done anything to us, but they didn't
Speaker 3: hurt me. And then he says, I just want to
Speaker 3: cry right now. What's so damn bad about it is?
Speaker 3: No one's going to believe us. And then the older
Speaker 3: guy says, I gotta get home and get to bed
Speaker 3: and take some nervous pills or something, see a doctor
Speaker 3: or something. I can't stand this. I'm about to go
Speaker 3: to pieces. I can't sleep like this. I'm damn near crazy,
Speaker 3: So I don't know. To me, I get a little
Speaker 3: bit more convinced. The next day, film cruise. You know,
Speaker 3: the press, everyone is like obsessed with this story. There's
Speaker 3: UFO experts come in to their work. Nearly fifty people
Speaker 3: in the area had called the police that night, reporting
Speaker 3: something strange in the sky. A lot of people later
Speaker 3: went on to say that they saw things, but at
Speaker 3: the time they were like, no one's gonna believe us.
Speaker 3: This is so crazy. Kelvin the younger guy. He ended
Speaker 3: up losing his job because reporters kept showing up constantly.
Speaker 3: He couldn't get his work done, and they only continued
Speaker 3: like every job he went to, so he ended up
Speaker 3: changing his name to Randy. They passed polygraph tests, a
Speaker 3: voice stress test, They were hypnotized three times and asked
Speaker 3: about their experience. They maintained the story the whole time.
Speaker 3: Charles died in twenty eleven. The older guy and Kelvini
Speaker 3: still gives interviews. He wrote a book about it in
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. In twenty nineteen, a historic plaque was placed
Speaker 3: at that site, and more than two dozen people have
Speaker 3: come forward as witnesses. There was a couple that said
Speaker 3: that they saw blue lights and they actually saw one
Speaker 3: of the creatures in the water, but yeah, they didn't
Speaker 3: tell anyone. Okay, So are you any bit more convinced? Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I can keep going. I got something else.
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say, it is like interesting that they
Speaker 5: passed a polygraph because I do think people can beat polygraphs.
Speaker 6: But I don't know if like.
Speaker 5: These two random like Mississippi men could pass polygraphs. In
Speaker 5: my mind, it sounds to me like they were tripping
Speaker 5: on drugs together or something.
Speaker 3: But what about all the other people?
Speaker 2: What there were other people witnessed.
Speaker 3: The fifty people that called saying that they saw something
Speaker 3: weird in the sky. CTV on their YouTube page that
Speaker 3: actually have a news report from two years after this,
Speaker 3: interviewing some of the cops, some of the specialists and
Speaker 3: the older man. Sometimes to me, like actually hearing the
Speaker 3: people talk affects how convincing it is to me, because
Speaker 3: sometimes you're like, Okay, I just don't I just don't
Speaker 3: buy it, you know, like sometimes I just need to
Speaker 3: hear people talk about it. Okay, let's watch this clip. Geehi,
Speaker 3: could you play just that little excerpt from that please?
Speaker 1: But it seen to me when he came out that doorway,
Speaker 1: that opening or whatever it was. Then just almost instantly
Speaker 1: they were right there on us, and their arms they
Speaker 1: had range and I saw the arms moving here and
Speaker 1: in the shoulders, but they had welled I mean their
Speaker 1: their fingers were well and then they had something like
Speaker 1: a thumb and they were like this.
Speaker 2: We questioned at link and that we left the room.
Speaker 3: And recorder that was that was the cop.
Speaker 1: All the conversation they had recorder.
Speaker 3: There's a picture of a guy in the Calvin and.
Speaker 1: What I've kept on to pray, he said, After all
Speaker 1: I went through on this earth, he said, why should
Speaker 1: I have to say something like this? Calvin Park I
Speaker 1: was questioned a cop and at one time.
Speaker 3: So high I shook up.
Speaker 1: He was. They had me, well one on this arm
Speaker 1: like this and on the other one, you know, they
Speaker 1: had my other or one like that, and they just
Speaker 1: I just seemed to lift up to the same height
Speaker 1: they were off the ground and and we just moved
Speaker 1: in the inside.
Speaker 2: How did they how did they lay you out?
Speaker 1: Do you remember how it happened?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: Uh, they I didn't see any tables or chairs or
Speaker 1: anything in there. I'm I'm not saying it wasn't in
Speaker 1: there because the light was almost blinding, but I didn't
Speaker 1: see any. And when they when they carried me inside,
Speaker 1: they seemed to they just leaned me back, you know,
Speaker 1: and uh, this this eye well I keep referring to
Speaker 1: it as an eye, and it moved up to in
Speaker 1: front of me, about this close, and it started right
Speaker 1: in my eyes, looking at me abody in the eye
Speaker 1: uh huh. And it seemed that it hesitated there for
Speaker 1: a uh a few seconds, and it just started moving
Speaker 1: over my entire body. When they they brought me, uh
Speaker 1: uh from the craft that could long to say it here,
Speaker 1: and they seemed to they didn't drop me, you know,
Speaker 1: they just released me back to the ground. And I know,
Speaker 1: I fail. I don't know why my legs were weak.
Speaker 1: I don't know why it was the fright or what
Speaker 1: it was, but I fell on with the round. And
Speaker 1: that's when I've seen Calvin. He's standing right over here
Speaker 1: in this area, and he was bending facing the river
Speaker 1: with his arms outstretched like that, just like he was
Speaker 1: staring at something.
Speaker 5: I feel more convinced these aliens came down to get
Speaker 5: the sperm of that younger guy. They were like, he's hot,
Speaker 5: we need we need this genetic material.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got like a little cleft in the
Speaker 2: chin and like a chisel.
Speaker 3: Jaw, Like, yeah, he's like a prince charming.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But with Grant, I think they were like coming
Speaker 5: down for the best of us, still coming down for
Speaker 5: the best specimens they can gather.
Speaker 4: Because I wonder if we're like little cheetahs to them.
Speaker 4: You know sometimes the zoo keeper poacher. They'll go out,
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, put a little tag on a shark
Speaker 4: shirtle tiger. I think that's what they're doing to all
Speaker 4: of Oh.
Speaker 3: I do think that they tracked people. I mean, at
Speaker 3: least some of them. I don't know. I've never heard
Speaker 3: where planet these ones are from. This is like it's
Speaker 3: its own specific thing, because a lot of times they
Speaker 3: look like you know, typical aliens, big eyes, big heads, whatever.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if they were looking for his sperm,
Speaker 3: they looked down his throat, they didn't look in the
Speaker 3: right place.
Speaker 6: We so you think. So there's multiple planets. Oh that
Speaker 6: it didn't hit.
Speaker 3: Me obviously, if you believe these stories. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of different things flying those UFOs around. But I don't
Speaker 3: know watching that video, to me, that man is not
Speaker 3: lying about anything. Why would he say something so outrageous.
Speaker 4: This is the seventies too. It's not like I'm gonna
Speaker 4: get on TMZ and let's do this. I'm gonna this
Speaker 4: is embarrassing for this man. This is like a country man. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I just feel being like I was shipped up and
Speaker 4: deep throated. I don't think he would lie about that.
Speaker 5: I don't certainly don't think he's like a con man.
Speaker 5: I'm not getting that vibe from him. But I'm just
Speaker 5: wondering if it's like it could have been a hallucination
Speaker 5: of some kind. But it is weird that it would
Speaker 5: happen with the younger. Are they father and son?
Speaker 3: Coworkers?
Speaker 2: Co workers?
Speaker 3: I love when you have a job, like when I
Speaker 3: used to work at the mall at the time, Like
Speaker 3: my best friends were fifty year old women. Like that's
Speaker 3: sort of what this dynamic seems like. They worked together,
Speaker 3: like a forty two year old and a nineteen year
Speaker 3: old and it's like, let's blow out some steam. We
Speaker 3: can talk shit about weird Larry that works with us
Speaker 3: at the shipyard, or you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 3: it's probably a cute little hang and it turned into this.
Speaker 3: Now it could have been let's trip or whatever, and
Speaker 3: then they freaked out and called the police. But there
Speaker 3: was a lot of people tripping that night, if that's
Speaker 3: the case, because there was other people witnessing this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they don't look like LSD fans.
Speaker 5: Other people saw the blue light, but only these two
Speaker 5: saw the detailed.
Speaker 2: And had the interaction with the aliens.
Speaker 3: Right, they're the only two that reported going actually on
Speaker 3: the spaceship the vessel. The vessel. But I mean, I've
Speaker 3: never been at Pasca Goola, but I just suspicion that
Speaker 3: that guy at the time was the hottest guy in Pascagoula.
Speaker 3: So they were probably scanning around and they're like that
Speaker 3: one and they're like Okay, he's with like his older friend.
Speaker 3: They're like, he can come to It's fine, we want
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 2: Roz. Can I ask you a question, please?
Speaker 5: Are most alien sightings reported in the United States or
Speaker 5: are there many? Many reported everywhere? Like did you get
Speaker 5: them out in Africa? They see him in Australia?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yes, oh yes. Some of the best
Speaker 3: stories are from those places. They're I know, it's so
Speaker 3: American for us to be like they only care about us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like this is where they're coming. They're coming to
Speaker 5: get us because we're the best, you know.
Speaker 3: But it's always like the most random places too, like
Speaker 3: Pasca Goula, Mississippi.
Speaker 6: Right, Well, they can't just go to New York City.
Speaker 3: We would all see, that's true.
Speaker 5: Roswell, New Mexico. You know that's like in the middle
Speaker 5: of nowhere.
Speaker 4: I get that, yeah, because that's what used to discredit people.
Speaker 4: I think too, where it's like why is it always
Speaker 4: in the middle of nowhere?
Speaker 6: And it's like for safety from.
Speaker 4: The aliens, Like why would they want to go in
Speaker 4: the middle of a busy intersection. That's when it's time
Speaker 4: for war, you know, that's when they're here to let
Speaker 4: us know.
Speaker 6: They're here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they probably don't want to get like shot at
Speaker 3: or whatever by a bunch of different people. I mean
Speaker 3: a lot of people report seeing them in LA but
Speaker 3: particularly they see them in like Malibu area a lot obviously,
Speaker 3: like Joshua Tree, like whatever surrounding areas. But the smog
Speaker 3: is why we can't see them so much here in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: And what are your views on the aliens going into
Speaker 4: the oceans and that they are doing stuff in the
Speaker 4: bottom of the sea and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: I'm not fully convinced that they don't live in the ocean.
Speaker 6: Okay, So you're a believer of the ocean alien vibe.
Speaker 3: I'm open to all of it.
Speaker 6: Me too.
Speaker 4: You ever see an octopus? Yes, okay, I believe it.
Speaker 4: I believe it. They're so smart, They're so fucking smart.
Speaker 3: You guys want to see a haunted doll?
Speaker 6: Sure, I'm scared, but yeah.
Speaker 3: Well it's time for a segment I called the Dolls
Speaker 3: are Living.
Speaker 6: Ha.
Speaker 3: So this is what I do. I go to eBay
Speaker 3: or wherever, and I look at postings of dolls that
Speaker 3: people allege are haunted, and a lot of times they
Speaker 3: come with their own biographies. So we're going to do
Speaker 3: that right now.
Speaker 6: I'm so excited.
Speaker 3: Okay, gieha give us Kelly.
Speaker 2: Oh. I feel like I had a doll that looked
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: She is wearing a classic Haunted doll ensemble, very lacy,
Speaker 3: kind of a almost turtled neck to the dress. I
Speaker 3: want to say she has a parasol. I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's so much lace that it's all just blending together
Speaker 3: and just one tier dripping down her face. Because who
Speaker 3: doesn't want that in a doll?
Speaker 5: Oh? Geez, the tear. Yeah, I just zoomed in and
Speaker 5: saw that. That's like a human trapped in a doll's body.
Speaker 5: That's like some witchcraft shit someone got put into the doll.
Speaker 5: They're crying because they know they're stuck, and that's fucked up.
Speaker 3: Lisa. I like the way you think you are right
Speaker 3: on track, because that is what we're looking at here.
Speaker 3: So let me read you a little bit about Kelly
Speaker 3: on eBay dot com. So currently she has zero bids.
Speaker 3: Uh why she's crying. It's starting at thirty eight dollars
Speaker 3: or you could do for ninety dollars. You could buy
Speaker 3: her now. So here's what they wrote about Kelly. It
Speaker 3: says Kelly is a sad young lady who dreamed of
Speaker 3: becoming an actor and being famous. She moved to California
Speaker 3: after she graduated to enroll in acting classes and to
Speaker 3: be closer to Hollywood. Kelly says that she was excellent
Speaker 3: in high school drama class and her teacher had high
Speaker 3: hopes for her. Kelly, Waitress, had a small diner to
Speaker 3: pay her rent, but was running low on cash and
Speaker 3: couldn't keep up. She answered an online ad for an
Speaker 3: acting gig that was a commercial based project. Unfortunately, the
Speaker 3: ad was a lie and Kelly was lured to her death.
Speaker 3: She is still dreaming of being famous and needs someone
Speaker 3: who understands her drive and wants the same thing. She
Speaker 3: can't get over her death and is very sad and depressed.
Speaker 3: She says she needs someone to help and maybe that
Speaker 3: will ease her pain. If you feel that you are
Speaker 3: what Kelly is looking for and you can help, please
Speaker 3: place a bid or use the buy now option. And
Speaker 3: so she taps on my walls throughout the day and
Speaker 3: sometimes she turns my TV off. Yeah it sounds like
Speaker 3: a bitter actress. That's like I went, I was up
Speaker 3: for this, Yeah, turn it off.
Speaker 2: I went to acting school with Olivia to have a land.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, but she's more contemporary because it was an
Speaker 3: online ad. Oh so she's probably mad at whoever's on.
Speaker 5: You know, Emma Stone, She's like we were child actors together.
Speaker 2: Fuck her? Yeah.
Speaker 3: Would you like to add this to your collection? Either
Speaker 3: of you?
Speaker 6: No, that's a note for me.
Speaker 5: That would be a start of a collection, and that's
Speaker 5: going to be a no for me. I don't really
Speaker 5: collect much.
Speaker 4: Karen doesn't like clutter. No, I don't want this bitch
Speaker 4: in my life.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I know a lot of Kelly's in life.
Speaker 2: And failed actresses.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean we live in LA there's Kelly's everywhere we turn.
Speaker 4: I just feel like my Bratstoll and my McDonald's Malibu
Speaker 4: Barbie would be pissed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 6: I have to respect their wishes.
Speaker 3: That's great. Okay, do you guys want to hear some
Speaker 3: ghost voices?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's time for EVP.
Speaker 3: Or ev plase. Okay, here's what I do. I play
Speaker 3: some electronic voice phenomena, also known as EVPs. This is
Speaker 3: anytime a person believes that they have captured a ghost
Speaker 3: speaking on a recording device. I have gone to TikTok,
Speaker 3: and I've found a page that has two EVPs for us.
Speaker 3: I'm going to play them for you, and I want
Speaker 3: you to tell me what you hear. Then we're gonna
Speaker 3: guess some options, the correct answer being what they believe
Speaker 3: it says. So this first one, actually both of these
Speaker 3: come from a TikTok called at orb Underscore and Underscore
Speaker 3: Spirit Underscore Experience. All right, this is an unknown location.
Speaker 3: It does not say here we go. What is this
Speaker 3: ghost saying?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 6: That was the noise?
Speaker 3: Oh, that was the go speaking.
Speaker 4: Okay, go again, you gotta do it again, you gotta
Speaker 4: do it again. That's not a metal band. That sounded
Speaker 4: like a busy subway station. I don't I can't do
Speaker 4: it again.
Speaker 6: Do it again? I'm yeah, this is where you lose me.
Speaker 4: I've been gung ho, I've been aliens, ghosts, living dolls here.
Speaker 6: That's nothing.
Speaker 5: It does sound like a piece of come on feel
Speaker 5: the noise like that song?
Speaker 4: Yes, a little hair metally, Maybe it's an angry dad.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, let me give you some options. Okay, fine, Okay,
Speaker 3: here's some options. Is it a please get off my nuts?
Speaker 3: Is it b Lisa? What the fuck is it c
Speaker 3: these are for a buck. Maybe they're selling something or
Speaker 3: d Please, girl, you need to pluck, you know, like
Speaker 3: when someone has like one hair between their eyebrows and it's.
Speaker 4: Like girl, yeah, you would think in the afterlife you
Speaker 4: wouldn't have to do as much hair removal though.
Speaker 3: Well, but the ghost is telling maybe a living person.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, girl hears together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's see the buck. But I want
Speaker 4: it to be be Lisa because that sounds like my name.
Speaker 2: I think it's be Lisa. What the fuck?
Speaker 3: That is what they believe it says because the person
Speaker 3: that recorded its name is Lisa, so they believe that
Speaker 3: it's saying Lisa, what the fuck.
Speaker 6: Let's hear it again. Okay, Nah, I don't hear it.
Speaker 3: I definitely hear what the fuck.
Speaker 6: You can hear it.
Speaker 5: You can hear anything you want. I mean, where is
Speaker 5: she recording this from?
Speaker 2: Where do we?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know where this one was.
Speaker 6: I think it's special ghost tools.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think she is using some type of like spirit
Speaker 3: box or some type of device that would give it
Speaker 3: more of that robotic sound. But this one, okay, here's
Speaker 3: another one. This one is definitely more of like a
Speaker 3: clear human voice. In my opinion, they recorded this one
Speaker 3: at a haunted hotel in their room. What is it saying?
Speaker 6: Let the body's hit the floor.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear anything.
Speaker 3: I know it's a real faint whisper.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna need the options quicker on this one. I
Speaker 6: really have nothing.
Speaker 2: I honestly heard. I heard nothing but static. Oh I
Speaker 2: heard a whisper.
Speaker 6: I'm sucking.
Speaker 2: I heard a little whisper, but I can't make anything out.
Speaker 3: Okay, is it A, it's okay?
Speaker 6: I'm by?
Speaker 3: Is it B? I'm getting by like the other spelling
Speaker 3: of bye. Is it C it's getting hot? Or D
Speaker 3: this gig is bad? Which I could hear a ghost
Speaker 3: saying like this gig is bad.
Speaker 2: I gotta get out of this gig.
Speaker 3: I think C it's getting hot.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's that.
Speaker 2: My instinct was B.
Speaker 3: B, I'm getting bye. Okay, they believe it is SEA
Speaker 3: it's getting hot? All right now that you know that,
Speaker 3: just wait, like one little beat, there's like just some
Speaker 3: background noise, and then you can hear it. Go it's
Speaker 3: getting hot. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: I heard it. Yeah, I can hear it when you
Speaker 2: put it in my mind yeah, you can hear it.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I kind of hear it's okay.
Speaker 2: I'm bye ha ha.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I hear that too. I could hear it both ways,
Speaker 5: like a bye person. This is like the dress. Are
Speaker 5: you seeing purple? Are you seeing gold?
Speaker 2: Or blue? Or gold?
Speaker 3: The dress? Exactly.
Speaker 4: I'm also a fool because I kept going closer to
Speaker 4: my microphone to hear better.
Speaker 6: But it's not where the noise comes out of.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's do one last thing. I'm just going to
Speaker 3: throw out some different things that are unexplained, phenomenal and all.
Speaker 3: And I'm curious if you have anything to say. I
Speaker 3: did do this with Kara, So if I say one
Speaker 3: that you've already answered, I'm wondering if maybe I don't know,
Speaker 3: a random text message from a stranger has changed your
Speaker 3: views of this. Okay, astral projection? Do you know about
Speaker 3: this phenomena?
Speaker 6: I've heard the word. What does it mean?
Speaker 3: Basically the idea that your body is, you know, a
Speaker 3: physical body and a spiritual body, and the spiritual body
Speaker 3: is leaving the physical to go do something I don't know.
Speaker 3: See above, you go, you know, wander around town when
Speaker 3: you're sleeping people report this happening a lot.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's kind of like, oh that show with Gene
Speaker 5: Smart and Legion Hacks Legion, Yeah, Hacks's being astraline projected.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 5: I think in Legion there's like an astral plane and
Speaker 5: people have different projections of their Yeah.
Speaker 3: And people say that like this is like a practice
Speaker 3: that people, you know, almost like a meditation type thing
Speaker 3: that you can learn how to do.
Speaker 4: I don't know why this for me is I think
Speaker 4: you're connected to your spirit being until your human body
Speaker 4: is dead.
Speaker 3: Oh and that's when.
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't think your inner spirit can go take
Speaker 4: a trip without you. I really that's too far for me, okay,
Speaker 4: because then what happens if I wake up I'm dead
Speaker 4: on the inside.
Speaker 6: No fucking way, no way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I buy this.
Speaker 3: The scary thing is sometimes people report they can't get
Speaker 3: back in their body.
Speaker 6: Then who's talking?
Speaker 2: They get locked out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, they forget the key. What about past lives?
Speaker 6: One hundred percent?
Speaker 2: I kind of believe in those. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I saw a TikTok where this little baby was shimmying
Speaker 4: and then they showed who she was named after, and
Speaker 4: it was an old woman shimmying in the same way.
Speaker 6: So I believe it.
Speaker 3: So the grandma came back as a baby.
Speaker 4: Correct to shimmy an important message from the other side.
Speaker 3: Come on, everybody, but do that ganga.
Speaker 5: I just believe that Erica Jane from the Real Housewives
Speaker 5: of Beverly Hills was a young boy who was.
Speaker 2: Saved in a shipwreck. I don't know if you ever
Speaker 2: watched that.
Speaker 6: Oh, I think a madam.
Speaker 3: Wait, why do you say that?
Speaker 5: She did an episode where she was like, you know,
Speaker 5: I had a medium tell me in a past life,
Speaker 5: I was a young billy saved from a shipwreck or.
Speaker 2: Something like that.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, in.
Speaker 5: The eighteen hundreds, and I was like, okay, Erica, now
Speaker 5: you're married to a criminal.
Speaker 6: I also think I have my grandma in me, my
Speaker 6: mom's mom.
Speaker 3: Go on, I'm listening.
Speaker 2: There's nothing else.
Speaker 4: That's why I want to go to this medium and
Speaker 4: dig deeper into it. But I just feel like I
Speaker 4: don't know much about her because my parents are Soviet
Speaker 4: and silent. But like she read cards really yeah, everyone
Speaker 4: from the neighborhood would come in. She wouldn't take money,
Speaker 4: people would just bring food and she would read cards
Speaker 4: for people and she just had some little mystic energy.
Speaker 4: She passed young, but a part of me thinks that
Speaker 4: I have her in me.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, But I don't know.
Speaker 3: Do you think that you also have that ability like her?
Speaker 6: Not like focused?
Speaker 4: But and I make fun of this one girl I
Speaker 4: used to live with because she thought she was a
Speaker 4: witch because she got deja vu, and I was always like,
Speaker 4: you're an idiot. So it's tough to not think I
Speaker 4: sound like her. But there are moments in my life
Speaker 4: where I think, like, fuck, I think I'm onto something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dejavoo I think is paranormal?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so did this girl I lived with?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, to me, it's like confirmation that you're
Speaker 3: on the right path or something, because it's so weird
Speaker 3: when you go someplace and you're like, I was already here,
Speaker 3: Like that's not something weird to you guys that we
Speaker 3: don't understand, Like we understand that it happens, but do
Speaker 3: we really know what that means. It's so strange.
Speaker 4: Maybe paranormal isn't a special gift because it seems like
Speaker 4: Dejeavou's very common. Yeah, in humanity, so maybe we're all
Speaker 4: experiencing it.
Speaker 3: See that's why I think I think we're all psychic
Speaker 3: to different levels, and I think that there's ghosts around
Speaker 3: us all the time, and it's just like a matter
Speaker 3: of those little tiny little blips of when things cross over.
Speaker 3: I think that's possible. It's just the theory.
Speaker 6: I'm for it.
Speaker 5: I'm happy to be wrong about being skeptical. I'm just
Speaker 5: like skeptical about all this stuff.
Speaker 2: No, I am too happy to be wrong.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, Like I'm always like, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to jump to something as paranormal. I need like a
Speaker 3: bunch of let's try a bunch of things. That's why
Speaker 3: the Pasca Goula thing is so convincing to me, because
Speaker 3: if it was just two guys that were like, we's
Speaker 3: all alien, I'd be like, Okay, cool, good for you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But the fact that there were so many other details,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know, Okay, witchcraft just in general,
Speaker 3: are you guys into that? I mean, I feel like
Speaker 3: it's kind of become a part of culture so much
Speaker 3: more in ways, like whether people realize it or not.
Speaker 3: I feel like witchcraft practices have traded just culture at
Speaker 3: this point, and I'm all for it. But are you
Speaker 3: guys into manifesting, or do you have any belief in
Speaker 3: clearing energies of a place or lighting candles for a
Speaker 3: specific reason or any of that.
Speaker 4: Honey, you know, I have a house of intuition candle
Speaker 4: right in front of me.
Speaker 3: Those I love those, Those are so beautiful.
Speaker 4: I was a junior high child who lied about having
Speaker 4: witch powers.
Speaker 6: So I do believe people are lying.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Did I buy little books from Barnes and Noble and
Speaker 4: try to do spells and bullshit?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 4: So I think a lot of people are lying. But
Speaker 4: I definitely think some people have either evil little energy
Speaker 4: or positive.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I believe people have something that others don't and that
Speaker 4: can do witch stuff. But as a former lying witch,
Speaker 4: I think people might be lying.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: That is like believing that the person has the abilities,
Speaker 3: which I think can go along with this kind of thing.
Speaker 3: But a lot of times, like with a book that
Speaker 3: you could buy of spells in different you know, explaining
Speaker 3: the practices, it's teaching you how you can do it,
Speaker 3: like anyone can do it. It's not like a secret
Speaker 3: thing that you have to be born to be able
Speaker 3: to do. So it's almost like you could learn a
Speaker 3: language or something. It's the power that you harness from
Speaker 3: these practices.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I believe in like there's definitely people
Speaker 5: with dark energies.
Speaker 2: I believe in energies for sure.
Speaker 5: Like someone can walk into a room with like a
Speaker 5: bad energy and you can like feel it immediately, But
Speaker 5: I don't know that they're then doing voodoo on someone,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like or have the power to, like,
Speaker 5: you know, make something bad happen to someone.
Speaker 4: My mom always says some people don't have that, like
Speaker 4: they don't even know it and they can't help it,
Speaker 4: like vampires, like emotional vampires and stuff like that. Like
Speaker 4: my mom sometimes says, like you need to feel bad
Speaker 4: for those people. Like some people can't control the bad energy.
Speaker 6: They emit.
Speaker 4: Like they're cursed and everywhere they go. Oh, they're just
Speaker 4: it's not good. There's nothing they can do about it.
Speaker 4: Your family's from the former Soviet Union. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 4: on the Black Sea, Odessa.
Speaker 3: So is there any cultural beliefs that you were raised
Speaker 3: with on any of this kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: We're evil eye people.
Speaker 4: So if I'm walking around and I see my neighbor
Speaker 4: someone giving me an eye, I don't like or complimenting
Speaker 4: me on something where I'm like, oh, you want to
Speaker 4: you want to ruin it for me?
Speaker 6: I do this in my pocket.
Speaker 3: It's called adula, explain it to us, Doulia.
Speaker 5: I do this and she's putting her thumb between her
Speaker 5: pointer and her middle finger.
Speaker 4: Oh thank you. I was like, I don't know what's that,
Speaker 4: and I hide it in my pocket. You don't want
Speaker 4: the person to see it. But if someone's even saying
Speaker 4: something extra kind but I don't trust, I think it's
Speaker 4: militia or like, wow, it's backwards, or I just don't
Speaker 4: like it, or they're looking at me in a way
Speaker 4: that I'm not into. I do that in my pocket
Speaker 4: like all the time, or hidden. And then we also
Speaker 4: used to clip safety pins on the inside of our
Speaker 4: clothing when we went to visit family. And now they're
Speaker 4: surprised why I don't trust our family, and it's like
Speaker 4: you made me put safety pins in my clothes to
Speaker 4: ward away their evil, and now you want me to
Speaker 4: like hang out with them like never. I don't know
Speaker 4: if it's communism and war stuff, but my parents are
Speaker 4: very much like, don't tell anyone anything. You don't know
Speaker 4: what people are thinking. And I tell everyone everything, and
Speaker 4: that really bothers them because they don't think people are
Speaker 4: really safe at all, and it's about keeping things secret.
Speaker 4: And like one time a girl was complimenting my hair,
Speaker 4: but I was like insecure and I like kind of
Speaker 4: flipped out at her. I don't know, I just felt
Speaker 4: something weird with her compliment and maybe it was going
Speaker 4: to backfire. I think that's where we stand in terms
Speaker 4: of that. But now my dad's in his eighties, so
Speaker 4: he's going to synagogue, He's gripping to whatever he can.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of Latin cultures that you know, also
Speaker 3: have similar ways of warding off that energy. Like there's
Speaker 3: so much of this stuff. There's parallels around the world.
Speaker 4: Evil eye is like rice. Every culture has it and
Speaker 4: its own little spin. Yes, but it all comes from
Speaker 4: like lack of control, you know, or dire circumstances like
Speaker 4: the Norwegian country, like Sweden, they don't fuck around with this.
Speaker 4: I don't think they're just matter of fact whatever. It's like,
Speaker 4: it comes from like struggle in weird ways.
Speaker 5: Kara, what do you think everything I know about Evil
Speaker 5: Eye I learned from Lisa. Do you believe that I
Speaker 5: didn't know anything about that? I will say I went
Speaker 5: to Greece in twenty twelve, and I got a little
Speaker 5: pin that had like the little evil eye that like
Speaker 5: wards off the evil Yeah, yeah, the blue thing because
Speaker 5: I just thought it was cute and I read a
Speaker 5: little blurb, oh this keeps away evil or whatever. But
Speaker 5: like I really didn't know anything about it until Lisa
Speaker 5: told me more about like what her family does and everything.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, because I was curious. I was curious.
Speaker 6: She's a wasp.
Speaker 5: No if I'm giving you, I'm a white Anglo Saxon
Speaker 5: Protestant who's also Jewish. I yeah, I'm from Connecticut. We
Speaker 5: haven't culture we I mean, I like I'm Jewish. My
Speaker 5: mom is Italian and my dad is like Hungarian. But
Speaker 5: like no one ever told me like any are you
Speaker 5: giving me the evil iron.
Speaker 3: I'm not crying. I'm just saying, if it would scare you, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm not supposed to show it with your hand.
Speaker 4: I saw I ruined that I'm your mom's also a doctor,
Speaker 4: which I think, like doctors are so literal at times.
Speaker 5: You know, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and I can
Speaker 5: be very little oral, but like, yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 5: I just never I definitely like had superstitions growing up
Speaker 5: and stuff like I remember, you know, being superstitious about
Speaker 5: little silly things, but like I.
Speaker 3: Don't do you guys have anything like that before you
Speaker 3: go on stage?
Speaker 2: Oh, I will say that.
Speaker 5: I one time read an article about Jennifer Aniston that
Speaker 5: she touches the outside of the plane before she gets
Speaker 5: on it.
Speaker 2: And now I always do it. I've done it for
Speaker 2: like twenty years.
Speaker 5: Oh, I just touched the outside of the plane before
Speaker 5: I get on it.
Speaker 3: So where do you want people to find?
Speaker 5: Ye?
Speaker 3: I have a feeling in my be YEA podcast That's
Speaker 3: Messed Up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We just announced a big fall tour, so we're going
Speaker 5: to be at a bunch of cities on the Midwest,
Speaker 5: East coast, South.
Speaker 2: Toronto.
Speaker 5: Our podcast is That's Messed Up and s podcasts on
Speaker 5: this very network, our live show and a lot of
Speaker 5: information about our podcast. You can find out That's Messed
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Speaker 5: but that goes to our called Yeah That's Messed Up pod.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, as you go to places across the country, keep
Speaker 3: an eye out for ghosts because I'm always looking for
Speaker 3: correspondents out there. You know, most comedy clubs and theaters
Speaker 3: and whatever they say they're haunted.
Speaker 6: Well we're We're really lucky and excited.
Speaker 4: We're doing the Wilbur in Boston this upcoming time, and
Speaker 4: that seems kind of historic, and well I think that's
Speaker 4: the most likely chance.
Speaker 3: Okay, you heard it, Boston, be there and my turn
Speaker 3: into a seance. Thank you so much to Kara and Lisa.
Speaker 3: What a good time that was, guys. I've been having
Speaker 3: so much fun talking to you every single week. I
Speaker 3: am just overwhelmed with love. Thank you guys so much
Speaker 3: for sending me your stories and all of your encouraging
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Speaker 3: and I so appreciate you all. I will be back
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