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Speaker 2: It's spooky.

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Speaker 3: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

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Speaker 4: Wait a minute, I said, ms nadas.

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Speaker 3: Please, hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted

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Speaker 3: by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people

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Speaker 3: that I like about weird and freaky shit. Today, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to be talking to two of my faves, Oh

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Speaker 3: my god, Kara Klank and Lisa Tragger. You might know

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Speaker 3: them from the podcast here on Exactly Right called That's

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Speaker 3: Messed Up. I love them both. Kara's been on the

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Speaker 3: show before, and now we got Liza. It's gonna be

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Speaker 3: But before we get into that, let me read you

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Speaker 3: a story from a listener. This one comes from Kelly,

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Speaker 3: who emailed me. Thanks Kelly. Kelly writes, Hi, Raz, here's

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Speaker 3: a short ghost story. I was in my early twenties,

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Speaker 3: living at home, working full time, and going to school

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Speaker 3: at night. One day, at work, all day, I kept

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Speaker 3: I kept turning around, but no one would be there.

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Speaker 3: I had a coworker who liked to play pranks on people,

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Speaker 3: stop turning around all day looking for whoever was behind me.

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Speaker 3: After work, I went straight to school, and I was

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Speaker 3: of course, I'm alone. I was at work in school

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Speaker 3: with me? She said, I don't know, but I thought

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Speaker 3: I saw someone walking in behind you. I was shook,

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Speaker 3: of haunting me, but decided that watching me go from

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Speaker 3: I hope they don't give me a second chance now

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Speaker 3: that I'm done with school and probably more entertaining to haunt. Okay,

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Speaker 3: thank you, Kelly. I guess the lesson here is don't

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Speaker 3: be too exciting or a ghost will want to follow you.

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Speaker 3: Now that's not it. That can't be it. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: but either way terrifying. I'm so glad it only happened

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Speaker 3: Nobody's going around with me everywhere I go, shadowing me.

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Speaker 3: Now where are we going?

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Speaker 3: What's this? No?

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Speaker 3: Now, If you've listened back to the feed of the show,

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Speaker 3: how many of you per episode, and I want some submissions.

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Speaker 3: I want you to send in your stories so that

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Speaker 3: me an email at ghosted by raz at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 3: Put in the subject line listener episode, so that way

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Speaker 3: I'll know that that's what you're doing. Here, here's the

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Speaker 3: I also love Have you been abducted by an alien?

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Speaker 2: Or an alien?

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Speaker 3: Tell me about it? Have you seen Bigfoot? Ugh, you know,

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Speaker 3: I've never had a Bigfoot on the show. Would you

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Speaker 3: I get a lot of sleep paralysis stories and Ouiji

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Speaker 3: board stories, so the competition is stiff when it comes

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Speaker 3: So me and my team we're gonna look through within

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Speaker 3: the next few weeks, and then we'll reach out to

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Speaker 3: you if we want to have you on the show. Guys,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to Kara Klank and Lisa Trager

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Speaker 3: from That's Messed Up and we're gonna get into aliens today.

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Speaker 3: Do you like aliens? Let me know I like it.

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Speaker 3: I think it's all part of the same conversation here,

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Speaker 3: all of this kind of unexplained stuff. I think they

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Speaker 3: could be more connected to ghosts, encryptid creatures, and psychic

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: Here we go. Time to talk to Kara Klank and

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Speaker 3: Lisa Trager on with the show. Wow, I am beyond

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Speaker 3: thrilled to have some of my exactly right sisters. I

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Speaker 3: we've got a return customer. We've got Kara Klank. Hello,

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Speaker 3: Kara's brought along a little friend. I see a little

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Speaker 3: friend here, Kara, who's your friend?

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Speaker 5: This is my co host of That's Messed Up in

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Speaker 5: SVU podcast, The.

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Speaker 4: Hilarious Lisa Traeger. Hello, thrilled to be here. Hi, Lisa,

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Speaker 4: I love ghosts.

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Speaker 3: Well, when I saw you recently when we were doing

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Speaker 3: chet tattoo on your arm. Yes, I said, Lisa, is freaky.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but I didn't know what it was called.

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Speaker 4: It's such a hard word for me to keep in

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Speaker 4: my brain plan chat. I always want to call it tabernacle,

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Speaker 4: Kate Planchat.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, spooky drag queen.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, Kate Planchat is a great name for

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Speaker 5: a spooky drag queen.

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Speaker 4: Seriously, wait, that's not in existence, No it is now.

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Speaker 6: You just came up with that, yeah, damn.

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Speaker 5: But also, Liza and I were just talking yesterday in

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Speaker 5: a separate conversation obviously about our favorite emojis, and she

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Speaker 6: He's just like partying and I love that.

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Speaker 3: Totally.

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Speaker 4: It's like the ghost is up to no good and

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Speaker 4: he's freaky and he's trying to like get fucked like

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Speaker 4: I love the little Gustomers.

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Speaker 2: Ghost is getting high and horny.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we have to assume that it at one

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Speaker 3: in ghost form. So it was probably something like, well,

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Speaker 6: It's the disco guy emoji, but dead.

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Speaker 3: He died at Studio fifty four.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I do want to say something if that's okay,

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Speaker 4: okay please? So I go on postsecret dot com. I

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what that is.

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Speaker 4: people would send in secrets on postcards. And it's the

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Speaker 4: and every Sunday it's uploaded new postcards that people send

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Speaker 4: him with secrets and some are spooky, some are sad,

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Speaker 4: some are silly, and they're all just different people's secrets

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Speaker 4: once around Halloween that changed everything. Okay, it said I

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Speaker 6: Wow?

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Speaker 3: Is that where it ended?

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Speaker 6: That was it?

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Speaker 4: And so it has haunted me forever because I'm always

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Speaker 4: Oh, stop asking, I gotta stop wishing for the ghosts.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing. They have nowhere to be. They're dead.

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Speaker 3: They're just waiting to get invited to an after party.

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Speaker 3: They will be there, right, I mean, then what it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: Like I don't want that, I know, because then the

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Speaker 3: Right? Well, they say three am is when they really

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Speaker 3: come alive, So is that the rule? Three am? I

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Speaker 3: mean they called that the witching hour approximately three am,

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Speaker 2: Are they on daylight savings?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly.

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Speaker 4: Most of my friends that our parents call witching hour

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Speaker 2: My son had a huge witching hour.

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Speaker 5: He would just cry uncontrollably from six to seven every

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Speaker 2: Oh god.

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Speaker 5: The only thing I got to stop him doing it

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Speaker 5: was I started playing like baby Mozart to him and

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Speaker 5: he liked that and would chill out. Oh I would

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Speaker 5: rather a three am ghost than a six pm crying baby.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, if I had to choose.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, Kara, I know you're a little skeptical of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Where are you at on this, Liza?

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Speaker 6: I believe if you can't prove it wrong, I believe.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this should be interesting. That's why you guys are

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Speaker 3: such a good duo together.

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Speaker 4: I believe in ghosts, aliens. What else is out there?

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Speaker 3: Bigfoot. What about Bigfoot?

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Speaker 6: No, not bigfoot, bigfoots where I draw the line?

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Speaker 2: Why Bigfoot to me?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I like the lore, but I do believe

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Speaker 4: that if we found a Bigfoot, he'd be in a zoo.

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Speaker 2: No, this one.

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Speaker 4: I heard about it on a podcast, So Busy Phillips

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Speaker 4: Get the Fuck Out. Yeah, yeah, did she tell you

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Speaker 6: But it gives me chills to watch it. I'm watching

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Speaker 3: If you're listening to this, I'm going to put it

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Speaker 5: Point exactly, We've seen like the most sophisticated deep fakes.

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Speaker 4: I feel like, I know, you just have to experience

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Speaker 3: Now we already know that Lisa's into this kind of

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Speaker 4: The info was just declassified. I mean, there is absolutely aliens,

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Speaker 3: Country Roads magazine. Okay, so we're going to Pascagoula, Mississippi.

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Speaker 3: You guys do any live shows there? Nineteen seventy three,

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Speaker 5: Here's my problem with like a lot of alien stuff.

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Speaker 5: Like I believe more that it's like these big blobs

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Speaker 6: I don't know if that's human.

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Speaker 2: Well one is more feminine.

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Speaker 5: It's like the story is like, well, there was a

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Speaker 3: Well, let me make this story a little bit more

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Speaker 3: interesting because Calvin, he's nineteen years old, but it's in

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Speaker 4: And that other man he's lived for four hundred years,

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Speaker 3: Well it's nineteen seventy three.

442
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 4: I mean that man has lived forever I could tell.

443
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 4: But the hot one looks like he saw something dark. Yeah,

444
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 4: he's definitely going through it. That's sorrow in his eyes

445
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 4: and like confusion.

446
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 3: That is a photo of them after well, we'll get

447
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 3: to that part. So the creatures that are floating out

448
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 3: grab them by their arms and float them over to

449
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 3: the UFO. A lot of the accounts that have more

450
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 3: recently been featured in like these articles that I've read,

451
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 3: are from Calvin, because he's still alive, and so he

452
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 3: says they kind of like went along with it because

453
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 3: they were injected with something that calmed them down and

454
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 3: they were just like there for it. He was taken

455
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 3: down a long hallway and into an examination room on

456
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 3: a table that was made of glass glass love that

457
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 3: a square shaped object about the size of a deck

458
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 3: of cards came out from the ceiling of this room

459
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 3: and it circled around him, almost like an mri. Then

460
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 3: a beautiful, more human looking creature entered the room and

461
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 3: she had a real long middle finger. At this point,

462
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 3: he can't move. She opens his mouth and she runs

463
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 3: her hand down his throat, causing him to gag so

464
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: much that he's even like bleeding. It's like aggressive Charles.

465
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 3: The other guy says that he's put into a room

466
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 3: where a machine examines him that looked like what he

467
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: can only describe is like a big eye, and it

468
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 3: was looking all over him, and then it laughed, and

469
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 3: then he was kind of in the room alone. And

470
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 3: then they were taken back right where they were found,

471
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 3: where they were fishing. They go back their car. The

472
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 3: window is smashed and they had a little bit of

473
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 3: trouble starting and they get in the car. They're like,

474
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 3: what was that. We cannot tell anyone. No one's gonna

475
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 3: believe us. And then the older guy was kind of like,

476
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 3: let's call the air force. They call, They're like, we

477
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 3: don't deal with this kind of thing called the cops,

478
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: which the cops don't deal with us either, but whatever.

479
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 4: So, yeah, where's the X files, baby, that's who we

480
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 4: need exactly.

481
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 3: Now keep in mind this is nineteen seventy three, like

482
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: this is still like some pretty out there shit.

483
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't even know about the X Files yet exactly.

484
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 3: So they go to the police station, they go downtown

485
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 3: and their question and this is when it starts to

486
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: get like maybe more convincing for someone like Cara over here.

487
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 3: So they actually recorded them secretly, like they like left

488
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 3: the room and kept the recorder going. They they maintain

489
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 3: their story in the recording. You can listen to online

490
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: and I have listened to it, and I'm gonna be honest,

491
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 3: I don't know if this because it was fifty years ago.

492
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: They do have very thick Mississippi accents. This is some

493
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 3: of the quotes that they say in there. Jesus Christ,

494
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 3: God have mercy. I thought I had been through hell

495
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: enough on this earth, and now I've got to go

496
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 3: through something like this, said Hickson. But they could have

497
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 3: you know, I guess, well, they could have harmed us son.

498
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 3: And then the younger guy's like, yeah, they had us.

499
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 3: They could have done anything to us, but they didn't

500
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 3: hurt me. And then he says, I just want to

501
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 3: cry right now. What's so damn bad about it is?

502
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 3: No one's going to believe us. And then the older

503
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 3: guy says, I gotta get home and get to bed

504
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 3: and take some nervous pills or something, see a doctor

505
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 3: or something. I can't stand this. I'm about to go

506
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 3: to pieces. I can't sleep like this. I'm damn near crazy,

507
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 3: So I don't know. To me, I get a little

508
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 3: bit more convinced. The next day, film cruise. You know,

509
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 3: the press, everyone is like obsessed with this story. There's

510
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: UFO experts come in to their work. Nearly fifty people

511
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: in the area had called the police that night, reporting

512
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 3: something strange in the sky. A lot of people later

513
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 3: went on to say that they saw things, but at

514
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 3: the time they were like, no one's gonna believe us.

515
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 3: This is so crazy. Kelvin the younger guy. He ended

516
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: up losing his job because reporters kept showing up constantly.

517
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: He couldn't get his work done, and they only continued

518
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 3: like every job he went to, so he ended up

519
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: changing his name to Randy. They passed polygraph tests, a

520
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 3: voice stress test, They were hypnotized three times and asked

521
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 3: about their experience. They maintained the story the whole time.

522
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: Charles died in twenty eleven. The older guy and Kelvini

523
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: still gives interviews. He wrote a book about it in

524
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. In twenty nineteen, a historic plaque was placed

525
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 3: at that site, and more than two dozen people have

526
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: come forward as witnesses. There was a couple that said

527
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: that they saw blue lights and they actually saw one

528
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: of the creatures in the water, but yeah, they didn't

529
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 3: tell anyone. Okay, So are you any bit more convinced? Yeah,

530
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: because I can keep going. I got something else.

531
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say, it is like interesting that they

532
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 5: passed a polygraph because I do think people can beat polygraphs.

533
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 6: But I don't know if like.

534
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 5: These two random like Mississippi men could pass polygraphs. In

535
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 5: my mind, it sounds to me like they were tripping

536
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 5: on drugs together or something.

537
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: But what about all the other people?

538
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 2: What there were other people witnessed.

539
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: The fifty people that called saying that they saw something

540
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 3: weird in the sky. CTV on their YouTube page that

541
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 3: actually have a news report from two years after this,

542
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: interviewing some of the cops, some of the specialists and

543
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 3: the older man. Sometimes to me, like actually hearing the

544
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: people talk affects how convincing it is to me, because

545
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: sometimes you're like, Okay, I just don't I just don't

546
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 3: buy it, you know, like sometimes I just need to

547
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: hear people talk about it. Okay, let's watch this clip. Geehi,

548
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 3: could you play just that little excerpt from that please?

549
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: But it seen to me when he came out that doorway,

550
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: that opening or whatever it was. Then just almost instantly

551
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 1: they were right there on us, and their arms they

552
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: had range and I saw the arms moving here and

553
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: in the shoulders, but they had welled I mean their

554
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: their fingers were well and then they had something like

555
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: a thumb and they were like this.

556
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: We questioned at link and that we left the room.

557
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 3: And recorder that was that was the cop.

558
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: All the conversation they had recorder.

559
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: There's a picture of a guy in the Calvin and.

560
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: What I've kept on to pray, he said, After all

561
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: I went through on this earth, he said, why should

562
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: I have to say something like this? Calvin Park I

563
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: was questioned a cop and at one time.

564
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: So high I shook up.

565
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: He was. They had me, well one on this arm

566
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: like this and on the other one, you know, they

567
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: had my other or one like that, and they just

568
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: I just seemed to lift up to the same height

569
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: they were off the ground and and we just moved

570
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: in the inside.

571
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: How did they how did they lay you out?

572
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: Do you remember how it happened?

573
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 6: Yes?

574
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: Uh, they I didn't see any tables or chairs or

575
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: anything in there. I'm I'm not saying it wasn't in

576
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: there because the light was almost blinding, but I didn't

577
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: see any. And when they when they carried me inside,

578
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: they seemed to they just leaned me back, you know,

579
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: and uh, this this eye well I keep referring to

580
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: it as an eye, and it moved up to in

581
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: front of me, about this close, and it started right

582
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: in my eyes, looking at me abody in the eye

583
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: uh huh. And it seemed that it hesitated there for

584
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: a uh a few seconds, and it just started moving

585
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: over my entire body. When they they brought me, uh

586
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: uh from the craft that could long to say it here,

587
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: and they seemed to they didn't drop me, you know,

588
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: they just released me back to the ground. And I know,

589
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: I fail. I don't know why my legs were weak.

590
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't know why it was the fright or what

591
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: it was, but I fell on with the round. And

592
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: that's when I've seen Calvin. He's standing right over here

593
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: in this area, and he was bending facing the river

594
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: with his arms outstretched like that, just like he was

595
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: staring at something.

596
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 5: I feel more convinced these aliens came down to get

597
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 5: the sperm of that younger guy. They were like, he's hot,

598
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 5: we need we need this genetic material.

599
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got like a little cleft in the

600
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: chin and like a chisel.

601
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: Jaw, Like, yeah, he's like a prince charming.

602
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, But with Grant, I think they were like coming

603
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 5: down for the best of us, still coming down for

604
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 5: the best specimens they can gather.

605
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 4: Because I wonder if we're like little cheetahs to them.

606
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 4: You know sometimes the zoo keeper poacher. They'll go out,

607
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, put a little tag on a shark

608
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 4: shirtle tiger. I think that's what they're doing to all

609
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 4: of Oh.

610
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: I do think that they tracked people. I mean, at

611
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: least some of them. I don't know. I've never heard

612
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: where planet these ones are from. This is like it's

613
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 3: its own specific thing, because a lot of times they

614
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: look like you know, typical aliens, big eyes, big heads, whatever.

615
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: So I don't know if they were looking for his sperm,

616
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: they looked down his throat, they didn't look in the

617
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: right place.

618
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 6: We so you think. So there's multiple planets. Oh that

619
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 6: it didn't hit.

620
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: Me obviously, if you believe these stories. There's a lot

621
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: of different things flying those UFOs around. But I don't

622
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: know watching that video, to me, that man is not

623
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 3: lying about anything. Why would he say something so outrageous.

624
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 4: This is the seventies too. It's not like I'm gonna

625
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 4: get on TMZ and let's do this. I'm gonna this

626
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 4: is embarrassing for this man. This is like a country man. Yeah,

627
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: I just feel being like I was shipped up and

628
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 4: deep throated. I don't think he would lie about that.

629
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 5: I don't certainly don't think he's like a con man.

630
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 5: I'm not getting that vibe from him. But I'm just

631
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 5: wondering if it's like it could have been a hallucination

632
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 5: of some kind. But it is weird that it would

633
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 5: happen with the younger. Are they father and son?

634
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: Coworkers?

635
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: Co workers?

636
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: I love when you have a job, like when I

637
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: used to work at the mall at the time, Like

638
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: my best friends were fifty year old women. Like that's

639
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: sort of what this dynamic seems like. They worked together,

640
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: like a forty two year old and a nineteen year

641
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: old and it's like, let's blow out some steam. We

642
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: can talk shit about weird Larry that works with us

643
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: at the shipyard, or you know what I mean. Like

644
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: it's probably a cute little hang and it turned into this.

645
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: Now it could have been let's trip or whatever, and

646
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: then they freaked out and called the police. But there

647
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: was a lot of people tripping that night, if that's

648
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: the case, because there was other people witnessing this.

649
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, they don't look like LSD fans.

650
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 5: Other people saw the blue light, but only these two

651
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 5: saw the detailed.

652
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: And had the interaction with the aliens.

653
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 3: Right, they're the only two that reported going actually on

654
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: the spaceship the vessel. The vessel. But I mean, I've

655
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: never been at Pasca Goola, but I just suspicion that

656
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: that guy at the time was the hottest guy in Pascagoula.

657
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: So they were probably scanning around and they're like that

658
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: one and they're like Okay, he's with like his older friend.

659
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: They're like, he can come to It's fine, we want

660
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: that one.

661
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: Roz. Can I ask you a question, please?

662
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 5: Are most alien sightings reported in the United States or

663
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 5: are there many? Many reported everywhere? Like did you get

664
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 5: them out in Africa? They see him in Australia?

665
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yes, oh yes. Some of the best

666
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: stories are from those places. They're I know, it's so

667
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: American for us to be like they only care about us.

668
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, like this is where they're coming. They're coming to

669
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 5: get us because we're the best, you know.

670
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: But it's always like the most random places too, like

671
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: Pasca Goula, Mississippi.

672
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 6: Right, Well, they can't just go to New York City.

673
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 3: We would all see, that's true.

674
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 5: Roswell, New Mexico. You know that's like in the middle

675
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 5: of nowhere.

676
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 4: I get that, yeah, because that's what used to discredit people.

677
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 4: I think too, where it's like why is it always

678
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 4: in the middle of nowhere?

679
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 6: And it's like for safety from.

680
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 4: The aliens, Like why would they want to go in

681
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 4: the middle of a busy intersection. That's when it's time

682
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 4: for war, you know, that's when they're here to let

683
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 4: us know.

684
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 6: They're here.

685
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they probably don't want to get like shot at

686
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: or whatever by a bunch of different people. I mean

687
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 3: a lot of people report seeing them in LA but

688
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 3: particularly they see them in like Malibu area a lot obviously,

689
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: like Joshua Tree, like whatever surrounding areas. But the smog

690
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: is why we can't see them so much here in

691
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 3: Los Angeles.

692
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 4: And what are your views on the aliens going into

693
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 4: the oceans and that they are doing stuff in the

694
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 4: bottom of the sea and stuff like that.

695
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: I'm not fully convinced that they don't live in the ocean.

696
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 6: Okay, So you're a believer of the ocean alien vibe.

697
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: I'm open to all of it.

698
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 6: Me too.

699
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 4: You ever see an octopus? Yes, okay, I believe it.

700
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 4: I believe it. They're so smart, They're so fucking smart.

701
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: You guys want to see a haunted doll?

702
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 6: Sure, I'm scared, but yeah.

703
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: Well it's time for a segment I called the Dolls

704
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: are Living.

705
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 6: Ha.

706
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: So this is what I do. I go to eBay

707
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 3: or wherever, and I look at postings of dolls that

708
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 3: people allege are haunted, and a lot of times they

709
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 3: come with their own biographies. So we're going to do

710
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 3: that right now.

711
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 6: I'm so excited.

712
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: Okay, gieha give us Kelly.

713
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 2: Oh. I feel like I had a doll that looked

714
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: like that.

715
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: She is wearing a classic Haunted doll ensemble, very lacy,

716
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: kind of a almost turtled neck to the dress. I

717
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 3: want to say she has a parasol. I don't know.

718
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: There's so much lace that it's all just blending together

719
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: and just one tier dripping down her face. Because who

720
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: doesn't want that in a doll?

721
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 5: Oh? Geez, the tear. Yeah, I just zoomed in and

722
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 5: saw that. That's like a human trapped in a doll's body.

723
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 5: That's like some witchcraft shit someone got put into the doll.

724
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 5: They're crying because they know they're stuck, and that's fucked up.

725
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: Lisa. I like the way you think you are right

726
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 3: on track, because that is what we're looking at here.

727
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: So let me read you a little bit about Kelly

728
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: on eBay dot com. So currently she has zero bids.

729
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: Uh why she's crying. It's starting at thirty eight dollars

730
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: or you could do for ninety dollars. You could buy

731
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: her now. So here's what they wrote about Kelly. It

732
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: says Kelly is a sad young lady who dreamed of

733
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: becoming an actor and being famous. She moved to California

734
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 3: after she graduated to enroll in acting classes and to

735
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 3: be closer to Hollywood. Kelly says that she was excellent

736
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: in high school drama class and her teacher had high

737
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: hopes for her. Kelly, Waitress, had a small diner to

738
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: pay her rent, but was running low on cash and

739
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 3: couldn't keep up. She answered an online ad for an

740
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: acting gig that was a commercial based project. Unfortunately, the

741
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 3: ad was a lie and Kelly was lured to her death.

742
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: She is still dreaming of being famous and needs someone

743
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 3: who understands her drive and wants the same thing. She

744
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 3: can't get over her death and is very sad and depressed.

745
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: She says she needs someone to help and maybe that

746
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 3: will ease her pain. If you feel that you are

747
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: what Kelly is looking for and you can help, please

748
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: place a bid or use the buy now option. And

749
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: so she taps on my walls throughout the day and

750
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: sometimes she turns my TV off. Yeah it sounds like

751
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 3: a bitter actress. That's like I went, I was up

752
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 3: for this, Yeah, turn it off.

753
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: I went to acting school with Olivia to have a land.

754
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: Yes, well, but she's more contemporary because it was an

755
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 3: online ad. Oh so she's probably mad at whoever's on.

756
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 5: You know, Emma Stone, She's like we were child actors together.

757
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: Fuck her? Yeah.

758
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: Would you like to add this to your collection? Either

759
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: of you?

760
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 6: No, that's a note for me.

761
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,479
Speaker 5: That would be a start of a collection, and that's

762
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 5: going to be a no for me. I don't really

763
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 5: collect much.

764
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 4: Karen doesn't like clutter. No, I don't want this bitch

765
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: in my life.

766
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. I know a lot of Kelly's in life.

767
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: And failed actresses.

768
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

769
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: I mean we live in LA there's Kelly's everywhere we turn.

770
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 4: I just feel like my Bratstoll and my McDonald's Malibu

771
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 4: Barbie would be pissed.

772
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that.

773
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 6: I have to respect their wishes.

774
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: That's great. Okay, do you guys want to hear some

775
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 3: ghost voices?

776
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's time for EVP.

777
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: Or ev plase. Okay, here's what I do. I play

778
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 3: some electronic voice phenomena, also known as EVPs. This is

779
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: anytime a person believes that they have captured a ghost

780
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: speaking on a recording device. I have gone to TikTok,

781
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: and I've found a page that has two EVPs for us.

782
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: I'm going to play them for you, and I want

783
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: you to tell me what you hear. Then we're gonna

784
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 3: guess some options, the correct answer being what they believe

785
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: it says. So this first one, actually both of these

786
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: come from a TikTok called at orb Underscore and Underscore

787
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: Spirit Underscore Experience. All right, this is an unknown location.

788
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: It does not say here we go. What is this

789
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: ghost saying?

790
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: Wait?

791
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 6: That was the noise?

792
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 3: Oh, that was the go speaking.

793
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 4: Okay, go again, you gotta do it again, you gotta

794
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 4: do it again. That's not a metal band. That sounded

795
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 4: like a busy subway station. I don't I can't do

796
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 4: it again.

797
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 6: Do it again? I'm yeah, this is where you lose me.

798
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 4: I've been gung ho, I've been aliens, ghosts, living dolls here.

799
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 6: That's nothing.

800
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 5: It does sound like a piece of come on feel

801
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 5: the noise like that song?

802
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 4: Yes, a little hair metally, Maybe it's an angry dad.

803
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, let me give you some options. Okay, fine, Okay,

804
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 3: here's some options. Is it a please get off my nuts?

805
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: Is it b Lisa? What the fuck is it c

806
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: these are for a buck. Maybe they're selling something or

807
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: d Please, girl, you need to pluck, you know, like

808
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 3: when someone has like one hair between their eyebrows and it's.

809
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: Like girl, yeah, you would think in the afterlife you

810
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 4: wouldn't have to do as much hair removal though.

811
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: Well, but the ghost is telling maybe a living person.

812
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: Like yeah, girl hears together.

813
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's see the buck. But I want

814
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 4: it to be be Lisa because that sounds like my name.

815
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 2: I think it's be Lisa. What the fuck?

816
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 3: That is what they believe it says because the person

817
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 3: that recorded its name is Lisa, so they believe that

818
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: it's saying Lisa, what the fuck.

819
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 6: Let's hear it again. Okay, Nah, I don't hear it.

820
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 3: I definitely hear what the fuck.

821
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 6: You can hear it.

822
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 5: You can hear anything you want. I mean, where is

823
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 5: she recording this from?

824
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: Where do we?

825
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know where this one was.

826
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 6: I think it's special ghost tools.

827
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

828
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: I think she is using some type of like spirit

829
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: box or some type of device that would give it

830
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: more of that robotic sound. But this one, okay, here's

831
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: another one. This one is definitely more of like a

832
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 3: clear human voice. In my opinion, they recorded this one

833
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 3: at a haunted hotel in their room. What is it saying?

834
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 6: Let the body's hit the floor.

835
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 2: I didn't hear anything.

836
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 3: I know it's a real faint whisper.

837
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 6: I'm gonna need the options quicker on this one. I

838
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 6: really have nothing.

839
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: I honestly heard. I heard nothing but static. Oh I

840
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: heard a whisper.

841
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 6: I'm sucking.

842
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 2: I heard a little whisper, but I can't make anything out.

843
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: Okay, is it A, it's okay?

844
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 6: I'm by?

845
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: Is it B? I'm getting by like the other spelling

846
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: of bye. Is it C it's getting hot? Or D

847
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: this gig is bad? Which I could hear a ghost

848
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: saying like this gig is bad.

849
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: I gotta get out of this gig.

850
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: I think C it's getting hot.

851
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's that.

852
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 2: My instinct was B.

853
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: B, I'm getting bye. Okay, they believe it is SEA

854
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: it's getting hot? All right now that you know that,

855
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: just wait, like one little beat, there's like just some

856
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 3: background noise, and then you can hear it. Go it's

857
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 3: getting hot. Okay, here we go.

858
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: I heard it. Yeah, I can hear it when you

859
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: put it in my mind yeah, you can hear it.

860
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I kind of hear it's okay.

861
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: I'm bye ha ha.

862
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, I hear that too. I could hear it both ways,

863
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 5: like a bye person. This is like the dress. Are

864
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 5: you seeing purple? Are you seeing gold?

865
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: Or blue? Or gold?

866
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: The dress? Exactly.

867
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 4: I'm also a fool because I kept going closer to

868
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 4: my microphone to hear better.

869
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 6: But it's not where the noise comes out of.

870
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: Okay, let's do one last thing. I'm just going to

871
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 3: throw out some different things that are unexplained, phenomenal and all.

872
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 3: And I'm curious if you have anything to say. I

873
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: did do this with Kara, So if I say one

874
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: that you've already answered, I'm wondering if maybe I don't know,

875
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: a random text message from a stranger has changed your

876
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: views of this. Okay, astral projection? Do you know about

877
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: this phenomena?

878
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 6: I've heard the word. What does it mean?

879
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: Basically the idea that your body is, you know, a

880
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: physical body and a spiritual body, and the spiritual body

881
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: is leaving the physical to go do something I don't know.

882
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: See above, you go, you know, wander around town when

883
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 3: you're sleeping people report this happening a lot.

884
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 5: Oh, it's kind of like, oh that show with Gene

885
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 5: Smart and Legion Hacks Legion, Yeah, Hacks's being astraline projected.

886
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 6: No.

887
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 5: I think in Legion there's like an astral plane and

888
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 5: people have different projections of their Yeah.

889
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 3: And people say that like this is like a practice

890
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 3: that people, you know, almost like a meditation type thing

891
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: that you can learn how to do.

892
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 4: I don't know why this for me is I think

893
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 4: you're connected to your spirit being until your human body

894
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 4: is dead.

895
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 3: Oh and that's when.

896
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't think your inner spirit can go take

897
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 4: a trip without you. I really that's too far for me, okay,

898
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 4: because then what happens if I wake up I'm dead

899
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 4: on the inside.

900
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 6: No fucking way, no way.

901
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I buy this.

902
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: The scary thing is sometimes people report they can't get

903
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: back in their body.

904
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 6: Then who's talking?

905
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: They get locked out?

906
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, they forget the key. What about past lives?

907
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 6: One hundred percent?

908
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: I kind of believe in those. Yeah.

909
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 4: I saw a TikTok where this little baby was shimmying

910
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 4: and then they showed who she was named after, and

911
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 4: it was an old woman shimmying in the same way.

912
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 6: So I believe it.

913
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: So the grandma came back as a baby.

914
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 4: Correct to shimmy an important message from the other side.

915
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 3: Come on, everybody, but do that ganga.

916
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 5: I just believe that Erica Jane from the Real Housewives

917
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 5: of Beverly Hills was a young boy who was.

918
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: Saved in a shipwreck. I don't know if you ever

919
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: watched that.

920
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 6: Oh, I think a madam.

921
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 3: Wait, why do you say that?

922
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 5: She did an episode where she was like, you know,

923
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 5: I had a medium tell me in a past life,

924
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 5: I was a young billy saved from a shipwreck or.

925
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 2: Something like that.

926
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: Oh my god, in.

927
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 5: The eighteen hundreds, and I was like, okay, Erica, now

928
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 5: you're married to a criminal.

929
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 6: I also think I have my grandma in me, my

930
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 6: mom's mom.

931
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 3: Go on, I'm listening.

932
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: There's nothing else.

933
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 4: That's why I want to go to this medium and

934
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 4: dig deeper into it. But I just feel like I

935
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 4: don't know much about her because my parents are Soviet

936
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 4: and silent. But like she read cards really yeah, everyone

937
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 4: from the neighborhood would come in. She wouldn't take money,

938
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 4: people would just bring food and she would read cards

939
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 4: for people and she just had some little mystic energy.

940
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 4: She passed young, but a part of me thinks that

941
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 4: I have her in me.

942
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 6: Oh wow, But I don't know.

943
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 3: Do you think that you also have that ability like her?

944
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 6: Not like focused?

945
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 4: But and I make fun of this one girl I

946
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 4: used to live with because she thought she was a

947
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 4: witch because she got deja vu, and I was always like,

948
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 4: you're an idiot. So it's tough to not think I

949
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 4: sound like her. But there are moments in my life

950
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 4: where I think, like, fuck, I think I'm onto something.

951
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, dejavoo I think is paranormal?

952
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, so did this girl I lived with?

953
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, to me, it's like confirmation that you're

954
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: on the right path or something, because it's so weird

955
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 3: when you go someplace and you're like, I was already here,

956
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 3: Like that's not something weird to you guys that we

957
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 3: don't understand, Like we understand that it happens, but do

958
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: we really know what that means. It's so strange.

959
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 4: Maybe paranormal isn't a special gift because it seems like

960
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 4: Dejeavou's very common. Yeah, in humanity, so maybe we're all

961
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 4: experiencing it.

962
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 3: See that's why I think I think we're all psychic

963
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: to different levels, and I think that there's ghosts around

964
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: us all the time, and it's just like a matter

965
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 3: of those little tiny little blips of when things cross over.

966
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: I think that's possible. It's just the theory.

967
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 6: I'm for it.

968
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 5: I'm happy to be wrong about being skeptical. I'm just

969
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 5: like skeptical about all this stuff.

970
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: No, I am too happy to be wrong.

971
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 3: I'm with you, Like I'm always like, I'm not going

972
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: to jump to something as paranormal. I need like a

973
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: bunch of let's try a bunch of things. That's why

974
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: the Pasca Goula thing is so convincing to me, because

975
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 3: if it was just two guys that were like, we's

976
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 3: all alien, I'd be like, Okay, cool, good for you. Yeah,

977
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: But the fact that there were so many other details,

978
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know, Okay, witchcraft just in general,

979
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 3: are you guys into that? I mean, I feel like

980
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,479
Speaker 3: it's kind of become a part of culture so much

981
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 3: more in ways, like whether people realize it or not.

982
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 3: I feel like witchcraft practices have traded just culture at

983
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 3: this point, and I'm all for it. But are you

984
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: guys into manifesting, or do you have any belief in

985
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 3: clearing energies of a place or lighting candles for a

986
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: specific reason or any of that.

987
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 4: Honey, you know, I have a house of intuition candle

988
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 4: right in front of me.

989
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: Those I love those, Those are so beautiful.

990
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 4: I was a junior high child who lied about having

991
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 4: witch powers.

992
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 6: So I do believe people are lying.

993
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: You know.

994
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 4: Did I buy little books from Barnes and Noble and

995
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 4: try to do spells and bullshit?

996
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 6: Yes?

997
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 4: So I think a lot of people are lying. But

998
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 4: I definitely think some people have either evil little energy

999
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 4: or positive.

1000
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1001
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 4: I believe people have something that others don't and that

1002
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 4: can do witch stuff. But as a former lying witch,

1003
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 4: I think people might be lying.

1004
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 6: You know.

1005
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 3: That is like believing that the person has the abilities,

1006
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 3: which I think can go along with this kind of thing.

1007
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 3: But a lot of times, like with a book that

1008
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 3: you could buy of spells in different you know, explaining

1009
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: the practices, it's teaching you how you can do it,

1010
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: like anyone can do it. It's not like a secret

1011
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 3: thing that you have to be born to be able

1012
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 3: to do. So it's almost like you could learn a

1013
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: language or something. It's the power that you harness from

1014
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: these practices.

1015
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I believe in like there's definitely people

1016
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 5: with dark energies.

1017
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 2: I believe in energies for sure.

1018
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 5: Like someone can walk into a room with like a

1019
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 5: bad energy and you can like feel it immediately, But

1020
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 5: I don't know that they're then doing voodoo on someone,

1021
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like or have the power to, like,

1022
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 5: you know, make something bad happen to someone.

1023
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 4: My mom always says some people don't have that, like

1024
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 4: they don't even know it and they can't help it,

1025
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 4: like vampires, like emotional vampires and stuff like that. Like

1026
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 4: my mom sometimes says, like you need to feel bad

1027
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 4: for those people. Like some people can't control the bad energy.

1028
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 6: They emit.

1029
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 4: Like they're cursed and everywhere they go. Oh, they're just

1030
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 4: it's not good. There's nothing they can do about it.

1031
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 4: Your family's from the former Soviet Union. Yeah, so it's

1032
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 4: on the Black Sea, Odessa.

1033
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 3: So is there any cultural beliefs that you were raised

1034
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 3: with on any of this kind of stuff.

1035
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 6: We're evil eye people.

1036
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 4: So if I'm walking around and I see my neighbor

1037
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 4: someone giving me an eye, I don't like or complimenting

1038
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 4: me on something where I'm like, oh, you want to

1039
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 4: you want to ruin it for me?

1040
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 6: I do this in my pocket.

1041
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 3: It's called adula, explain it to us, Doulia.

1042
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 5: I do this and she's putting her thumb between her

1043
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 5: pointer and her middle finger.

1044
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 4: Oh thank you. I was like, I don't know what's that,

1045
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 4: and I hide it in my pocket. You don't want

1046
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 4: the person to see it. But if someone's even saying

1047
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 4: something extra kind but I don't trust, I think it's

1048
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 4: militia or like, wow, it's backwards, or I just don't

1049
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 4: like it, or they're looking at me in a way

1050
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 4: that I'm not into. I do that in my pocket

1051
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 4: like all the time, or hidden. And then we also

1052
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 4: used to clip safety pins on the inside of our

1053
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 4: clothing when we went to visit family. And now they're

1054
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 4: surprised why I don't trust our family, and it's like

1055
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 4: you made me put safety pins in my clothes to

1056
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 4: ward away their evil, and now you want me to

1057
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 4: like hang out with them like never. I don't know

1058
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 4: if it's communism and war stuff, but my parents are

1059
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 4: very much like, don't tell anyone anything. You don't know

1060
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 4: what people are thinking. And I tell everyone everything, and

1061
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 4: that really bothers them because they don't think people are

1062
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 4: really safe at all, and it's about keeping things secret.

1063
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 4: And like one time a girl was complimenting my hair,

1064
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 4: but I was like insecure and I like kind of

1065
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 4: flipped out at her. I don't know, I just felt

1066
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 4: something weird with her compliment and maybe it was going

1067
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 4: to backfire. I think that's where we stand in terms

1068
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 4: of that. But now my dad's in his eighties, so

1069
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 4: he's going to synagogue, He's gripping to whatever he can.

1070
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 3: There's a lot of Latin cultures that you know, also

1071
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 3: have similar ways of warding off that energy. Like there's

1072
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 3: so much of this stuff. There's parallels around the world.

1073
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 4: Evil eye is like rice. Every culture has it and

1074
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 4: its own little spin. Yes, but it all comes from

1075
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 4: like lack of control, you know, or dire circumstances like

1076
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 4: the Norwegian country, like Sweden, they don't fuck around with this.

1077
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 4: I don't think they're just matter of fact whatever. It's like,

1078
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 4: it comes from like struggle in weird ways.

1079
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 5: Kara, what do you think everything I know about Evil

1080
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 5: Eye I learned from Lisa. Do you believe that I

1081
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 5: didn't know anything about that? I will say I went

1082
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 5: to Greece in twenty twelve, and I got a little

1083
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 5: pin that had like the little evil eye that like

1084
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 5: wards off the evil Yeah, yeah, the blue thing because

1085
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 5: I just thought it was cute and I read a

1086
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 5: little blurb, oh this keeps away evil or whatever. But

1087
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 5: like I really didn't know anything about it until Lisa

1088
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 5: told me more about like what her family does and everything.

1089
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 3: Okay, well, because I was curious. I was curious.

1090
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 6: She's a wasp.

1091
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 5: No if I'm giving you, I'm a white Anglo Saxon

1092
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 5: Protestant who's also Jewish. I yeah, I'm from Connecticut. We

1093
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 5: haven't culture we I mean, I like I'm Jewish. My

1094
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 5: mom is Italian and my dad is like Hungarian. But

1095
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 5: like no one ever told me like any are you

1096
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 5: giving me the evil iron.

1097
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 3: I'm not crying. I'm just saying, if it would scare you, oh,

1098
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 3: I'm not supposed to show it with your hand.

1099
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Speaker 4: I saw I ruined that I'm your mom's also a doctor,

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Speaker 4: which I think, like doctors are so literal at times.

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Speaker 5: You know, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and I can

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Speaker 5: be very little oral, but like, yeah, I don't know,

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Speaker 5: I just never I definitely like had superstitions growing up

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Speaker 5: and stuff like I remember, you know, being superstitious about

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Speaker 5: little silly things, but like I.

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Speaker 3: Don't do you guys have anything like that before you

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Speaker 3: go on stage?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I will say that.

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Speaker 5: I one time read an article about Jennifer Aniston that

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Speaker 5: she touches the outside of the plane before she gets

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Speaker 5: on it.

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Speaker 2: And now I always do it. I've done it for

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Speaker 2: like twenty years.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I just touched the outside of the plane before

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Speaker 5: I get on it.

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Speaker 3: So where do you want people to find?

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Speaker 5: Ye?

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Speaker 3: I have a feeling in my be YEA podcast That's

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Speaker 3: Messed Up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We just announced a big fall tour, so we're going

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Speaker 5: to be at a bunch of cities on the Midwest,

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Speaker 5: East coast, South.

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Speaker 2: Toronto.

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Speaker 5: Our podcast is That's Messed Up and s podcasts on

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Speaker 5: this very network, our live show and a lot of

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Speaker 5: information about our podcast. You can find out That's Messed

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Speaker 5: Up live dot Com and Insta our Instagram too. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: but that goes to our called Yeah That's Messed Up pod.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, as you go to places across the country, keep

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Speaker 3: an eye out for ghosts because I'm always looking for

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Speaker 3: correspondents out there. You know, most comedy clubs and theaters

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Speaker 3: and whatever they say they're haunted.

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Speaker 6: Well we're We're really lucky and excited.

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Speaker 4: We're doing the Wilbur in Boston this upcoming time, and

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Speaker 4: that seems kind of historic, and well I think that's

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Speaker 4: the most likely chance.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you heard it, Boston, be there and my turn

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Speaker 3: into a seance. Thank you so much to Kara and Lisa.

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Speaker 3: What a good time that was, guys. I've been having

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Speaker 3: so much fun talking to you every single week. I

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Speaker 3: am just overwhelmed with love. Thank you guys so much

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Speaker 3: for sending me your stories and all of your encouraging

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Speaker 3: comments and reviews. And I'm just I'm filled with love

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Speaker 3: and I so appreciate you all. I will be back

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Speaker 3: talking to you next week. I love you all, both

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Speaker 3: living and dead. But if I didn't ask you to

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Speaker 3: haunt me, don't haunt me came back. This has been

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Speaker 3: an exactly right production. Want to share your paranormal experience

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Speaker 3: on the podcast. I read stories out loud and sometimes

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Speaker 3: I'll even call you, so email me at ghosted by

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Speaker 3: Roz at gmail dot com. You can send a DM

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Speaker 3: or voice message to the show's Instagram at ghosted by Roz.

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Speaker 3: Give us a follow while you're there and follow me

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Speaker 3: Roz on Instagram at roz Hernandez and on TikTok and

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Speaker 3: Twitter at it's Roz Hernandez. My senior producer is the

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Speaker 3: startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming Alex Cheen.

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Speaker 3: This episode was mixed and sound designed by the eerie

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Speaker 3: Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner.

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Speaker 3: Additional production support from the hair raising Hannah Kyle Brighton.

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Speaker 3: My theme music is by the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon.

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Speaker 3: Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying

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Speaker 3: Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the chilling Karen Kilgareff, the

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Speaker 3: Spookky Georgia hard Stark, and the frightening Danielle Kramer,