1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hi, It's Peter Schweizer. I'm here with Eric Eggers. We 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: are filling in for Sean. We run the Government Accountability Institute. 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: You can find out more about what we do at 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: GAI dot News. You can also join the conversation one 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: eight hundred nine four one seven three two six. That's 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: one eight hundred nine four one Sean. At the bottom 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: of the hour, we're going to be joined by an 8 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: esteemed historian, Patrick O'Donnell, who is going to be talking 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: about what we're going to be celebrating tomorrow, which is 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: America's independence and the military history. He's really America's best 11 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: combat historian. But before that, we have more breaking news 12 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: as we watch events unfold in Washington and in the 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: White House, the great soap opera which has become Will 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: Joe Biden be or not be the presidential nominee for 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: the Democrats. 16 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. By the way, this was not what we expected 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: to be doing today, right. 18 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: We knew we'd be guest hosting for Sean Henny, but 19 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: we thought, man, it's going to be July third, It's 20 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 3: the Wednesday. You know, you guys listening to us across 21 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: the country, you're headed to wherever you're going to be 22 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: celebrating the long holiday weekend. We thought we'd you know, 23 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: celebrated this country and what we can be and what 24 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: we have been before. And that's what Patrick O'Donnell will 25 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 3: talk to us about. And then the debate happened like 26 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 3: that was less than a week ago. And then even 27 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 3: we're crazier than that was. Okay, Joe Biden had a 28 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: really bad night. We recognized that the media has lied 29 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 3: to us for the last several months, and nothing's a 30 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: cheap fake. It's actually just really who he is, and 31 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 3: you know, they've concealed it and covered it up. 32 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: And then immediately the media. 33 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 3: Just like ran and they totally flipped right all four 34 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: calling this and the New York Times the next day 35 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: said he's got to go. 36 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the op ed board came out and said, no, no, 37 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: we agree, this is bad. 38 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: They shived him quick. 39 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 2: They shived him quick. 40 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 3: And now you're starting to see actual elected officials follow suits. 41 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: So the breaking news just seconds ago a second member 42 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: of the House Democrat parties calling for Joe Biden to 43 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: drop out of the race. Lloyd Doggett, a Democrat from Texas, 44 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 3: called for Joe Biden to drop out. A little while ago, 45 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: a second House Democrat from Arizona, Raoul Grivalia, has joined 46 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 3: other House Democrats, I mean joined just the one Lloyd 47 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 3: Doggett and calling for Joe Biden to withdraw. In an 48 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: interview with The New York Times, he said, quote, if 49 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 3: he's the candidate, I'm going to support him, but I 50 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: think that this is an opportunity to look elsewhere. What 51 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: he really needs to do is shoulder the responsibility for 52 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 3: keeping that seat, I meaning the White House, and part 53 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: of that responsibility is to get out of this race. 54 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: So again, let's not act this is a normal thing, 55 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 3: that it's normal for other people to be calling for 56 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 3: the president to stop running for reelection. Right, although it 57 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 3: should be point out, as you pointed out, when Joe 58 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 3: Biden ran for election the first time, he said he's 59 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: only going to serve one term. 60 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Here's the other thing we have to 61 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: keep in mind. Everybody's saying Joe Biden is drawing a 62 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: line in the sand. He's staying he's drawn lines in 63 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: the sand before. He drew one to Vladimir Putin, who 64 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: stepped over it. I mean, the point is, Joe can 65 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: give a great line, and he can give a defiant statement, 66 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: but he doesn't seem to have the oomph to kind 67 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: of back it up. And I think that's what we 68 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: have to understand, is is all the atmospherics. You can 69 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: issue a great statement and a defiant statement. You can 70 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: get it on a phone call as he did with 71 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: Democrats today and say I'm staying. Nobody's going to push 72 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: me out, But it doesn't really matter if everybody sees 73 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: the Emperor has no clothes. 74 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 3: He has said that he recognizes, and the New York 75 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 3: Times has reported this also in a conversation with an 76 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: Aid that he recognizes he has only days, I think 77 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 3: to convince the American people that he's capable of staying. 78 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 3: But as you've said to me and elsewhere, if he 79 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 3: really wants to convince the American people that he is 80 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: capable of staying and fighting and winning back their trust 81 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 3: and support, then he should be having a conversation with 82 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: the American people. Instead, he's doing the opposite, right, He's hiding. 83 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: He's showing up as he did yesterday, reading for a 84 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 3: few minutes off of a teleprompter, did it the day 85 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: before that too. But where is he I guess he's 86 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 3: going to give an interview with George Stephanopolis this weekend, 87 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: but that's still not talking to the American people. 88 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, think of it in these terms. If 89 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: an athlete tells you my knee is fine, and he 90 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: keeps issuing statements that his knee is fine, and his 91 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: agent says, no, his knee is great, and the team says, okay, 92 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: can you go out and run out on the field. No, 93 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going to run on the field. My knees fine. 94 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna believe him. And that's what I think is 95 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: happening with the Democrats. Clearly, the momentum is moving against him, 96 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: and I don't think it's gonna change. I think that 97 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: he will be out of office, perhaps by the end 98 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: of this weekend. No, yes, yes, I think it's possible. 99 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: I think if they're gonna do this, they have to 100 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: do it quickly. The longer it lingers, the longer there 101 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: is this uncertainty, I should say that he's not going 102 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: to be the candidate by the end of the week. 103 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: I don't know that he's going to be out of office, 104 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: but I think if they're gonna cut bait, they're gonna 105 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: have to do it soon. The longer this linger, it 106 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: shows indecisiveness on his part. Is also shows that his 107 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: heir apparent, Kamala Harris, he doesn't have a lot of 108 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: confidence in her right, He's nervous about handing the keys 109 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: over to her as the Democratic Party nominee. So I 110 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: think if you're gonna do this, Democrats, you gotta do 111 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: it quickly. 112 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 3: You don't think you can kind of hunker down with 113 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: the fourth of July just gets the more time to 114 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: lapse between the debate and then I hopefully, you know, 115 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: Donald Trump has to announce his vice presidential candidate or 116 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 3: other news breaks that sort of like people sort of 117 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: all right, well he's our guy, kind of, you know. 118 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: But I think this interview that is going to give 119 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: a Georgefanopolis seems like it carries a lot of weight. 120 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: Then it does, But again, I don't think it demonstrates 121 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: anything other than he's prepared to sit down in a 122 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: taped interview. And we have a history with George Stephanopolis. 123 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: You know, when when we exposed what the Clinton Foundation 124 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: was doing, he came aggressively after us never disclosed the 125 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: fact which we discovered later and reported that he was 126 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: actually a major Clinton Foundation donor. So I don't trust 127 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: George Stephanopolis to actually play fair with this. It's going 128 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: to be a taped, edited interview. The very fact that 129 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: that's what he's doing, it's not live, and it's with 130 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: probably the safest of the people he could interview with 131 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: in the mainstream media is a further indication. To use 132 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: the analogy, his knees not so good. He doesn't want 133 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: to go out there and really show everybody what he's 134 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: capable or not capable of doing. 135 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 4: Well. 136 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 3: If George Sephanopolis is friendly, then the number of allies 137 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: Joe Biden have has in the media as rapidly diminishing, 138 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 3: because I mean it's not just the editors of the 139 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 3: New York Times and the columnists there. You said, the 140 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 3: Boston Globes now call it for him to drop out 141 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: of the race. And I think actually something that Nicole 142 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: Wallace said on MSNBC yesterday maybe helps reveal why. And 143 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: there's a lot of different aspects of this. There is 144 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 3: the fact that we've been you know, the president is 145 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 3: in this enfeebled state and the media has lied and 146 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: covered it up. We talked earlier in the show about 147 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: remember when the Special prosecutor her report came out, and 148 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 3: he says, listen, you know, I don't want to charge 149 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 3: this guy with a crime because he would just be 150 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: a very sympathetic defendant. And then everyone's like, oh, that's ridiculous, 151 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 3: you know, and they apologize. The New York Times rand 152 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 3: a thing about I think we're thinking about memory the 153 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: wrong way. I'm a neuroscience It's fine. We all forget, 154 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: like that's a real thing that happened. Yeah, and so, 155 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 3: but Nicole Wallace said that this, which I thought was 156 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: just stunning on a number of things. But listen to 157 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 3: what the conversations allegedly per Nicole Wallace, who by the way, 158 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: was a former Republican and a former remember like the 159 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 3: Bush White House, this is. 160 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: What they're actually worried about. 161 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 5: Look at it just doesn't know Yeah, exactly, Mark Elias. 162 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 5: We should pull the curtain back on what's actually happening, 163 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 5: shouldn't we. People are exploring options to live in other 164 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 5: countries if they think they could be targeted for prosecution 165 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 5: by Donald Trump, because targeting you, or targeting me, or 166 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 5: targeting Andrew would be an official act based on today's decision. 167 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: I tell you what if it was a store, Nicole 168 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: Wallace would be the national spokesman for narcissists r us 169 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: as if she thinks that that people are going to 170 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: be targeting her because she's this major force in America 171 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: that people there are only certain people that are being 172 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: prosecuted in the country, I would argue for their political views, 173 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: and it's not Liberal Democrats under Donald Trump. 174 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: I mean that was in relation to the Supreme Court 175 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 3: announcement that there is going to be some level of 176 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: immunity for Donald Trump as official acts as president. But 177 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: the fact that those I think that she annuinely believes that, 178 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: and I think that members of the media probably genuinely 179 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: do fear retribution from a Trump presidency because of I guess, 180 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: whatever they've done towards him. But number one, that seems 181 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: actually incredibly that narcissistic, and I think you have a 182 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 3: very inflated since of yourself if you think that they're 183 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: going to go after MSNBC reporters. Secondly, by the way, 184 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 3: Donald Trump is the one that has not chosen to 185 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: go after political opponents. 186 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: Right. 187 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 3: Remember that the crowds were chanting lock her up when 188 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton was potentially guilty of some of the things 189 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: that they never charged her for. But then what happened 190 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 3: four years later, they actually did come after Donald Trump, 191 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: and he's been indicted on a number of charges now. 192 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, one of the prosecutors, Fanny 193 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: Willison Atlanta, who's brought charges against him, was at the 194 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 3: White House correspondence dinner on the red carpet, like she's 195 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 3: a celebrity for doing what exactly, prosecuting the political opponent. 196 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 3: So it just speaks to the hypocrisy of what these 197 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: people are capable of. But I think it's to the 198 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: media's point. Number one, they have actual Trump derangement syndrome. 199 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: They think Donald Trump is this exsidential threat to democracy. 200 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 3: But I think that clip reveals they actually think that 201 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 3: he's a threat of their own personal freedoms. 202 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: Yes, no, he does, and they do. And you're exactly right. 203 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: And you know, this point that they are making, and 204 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: that the Democrats keep pounding out that what the Supreme 205 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: Court has said is now a president can do anything 206 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: and they can't be prosecuted, is totally ridiculous. I mean, 207 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: it's total scare mongering, and they know it. I mean, 208 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: it's not an official act to kill a NBC News anchor, 209 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: it's not that's criminal. The president has certain official acts 210 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: and if they engage in those acts and things go awry, 211 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: they can't be prosecuted. For example, President Barack Obama droned 212 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: and killed American citizens in the Middle East. The point 213 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: is he did that as an official act protecting the 214 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: United States as commander in chief. The point is, you 215 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: can't have a prosecutor in Texas or Alabama say I'm 216 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: going to charge Barack Obama with murder because he killed 217 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: this American and a drone strike. Similar situation with Joe Biden. 218 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: Joe Biden engaged in a drone strike not too long ago, 219 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: thought he was killing a terrorist leader. They ended up 220 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: killing a family, including several young children. Tragic. Again, Joe 221 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: Biden should not be criminally prosecuted for doing that. He 222 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: was engaged in his official duties as president. Nobody believes, 223 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: nobody recognizes the official duties of the president is to 224 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: send a seal team and kill his political opponents. It's 225 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: to me evidence of how so many people you can 226 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: have a principled opposition to Donald Trump and absolutely but 227 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: they've lost their minds. This is not a principled opposition. 228 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: This is panic spreading panic, and this is mongering in 229 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: fear that has no basis in reality. 230 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what it is. It's delicious. It is terrific. 231 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: I mean seriously, right, I mean, because you're told all 232 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 3: these things about how bad consider how bad Donald Trump is, 233 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: and how it's so ridiculous to assume that Joe Biden 234 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 3: is any of these cognitivity declined aspects that we've heard 235 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 3: these drips and drabs. 236 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: It's a cheap fake. 237 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 3: And then for it to have the rug pulled out 238 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: from underneath them and then to see them absolutely lose 239 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 3: their mind. Is it's enjoyable on a level that's probably 240 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 3: not appropriate to talk about on national radio. 241 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think you're right about that. And look, 242 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: I would love to if I encountered any of these 243 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: people at a cocktail party. And I don't really go 244 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: to cocktail parties. It's not my thing. I'm happy where 245 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: I am down in Florida. But if I did, I 246 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: would love to extend a hand and say, I will 247 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: bet you ten thousand dollars if Donald Trump is president, 248 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: that you're not in a prison camp after year four? 249 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 2: How many of them at least not because of Donald 250 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: Trump exactly. 251 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: But how many of them do you think would actually 252 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: take that that. None of them would because they know 253 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: it's garbage. They know it's not true, and that's what's 254 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: so sad and disingenuous about it. The same way we 255 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: played the clip earlier that Joe Scarborough went on his 256 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: ramp that this is the best version of Joe Biden 257 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: ever is totally disingenuous. They're doing the same thing here. 258 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: No, it's ridiculous. 259 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: You know that Norm MacDonald, the comedian, used to have 260 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: a joke that he would say when they talk about 261 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 3: Bill Cosby when he was facing all of his charges, 262 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: some people say, I'll tell you what the worst part 263 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 3: about Bill Cosby is, it's the hypocrisy, and Norm McDonalds like, 264 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 3: I actually think it's the drugging and the assault. You know, 265 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: it's not the hypocrisy. And I would say, yeah, the 266 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: hypocrisy is bad and the media, But what's actually bad 267 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 3: is the threat to national security in the fact that 268 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: the president of the United States, that the commander in 269 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: chief is this person, and we've been lied to at 270 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: every stage about it. Yeah, it just speaks to a 271 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 3: total lack of respect for the American people. 272 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: Well, and I'll give you another example of something that 273 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: Joe Biden lied about, and this is something that we've 274 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: looked into it. During the debate, Joe Biden touted the 275 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: fact that he had passed an act, the Packed Act, 276 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:57,239 Speaker 1: that was going to let veterans be reimbursed, be reimbursed 277 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: from the government because the government lied to them when 278 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: they were at Camp La June said the water was 279 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: fine to drink, it was actually poisonous. And a lot 280 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: of people that served our country and their family suffered immensely. 281 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: They got cancer, they got all kinds of illnesses. And 282 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: this Pack Act allowed for the first time Americans to 283 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 1: file claims against the federal government. And Joe Biden has 284 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: touted this repeatedly is a great victory for veterans. Well, 285 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: we looked into this at the Government Accountability in so 286 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: you can find the report at GAI dot News. And 287 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: guess what the big winners in this are not the 288 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: veterans who suffered. They actually got victimized. The second time. 289 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: This Act actually stripped from the legislation any caps on 290 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: legal fees for trial attorneys. Originally, the bill was going 291 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: to say you could only get twenty five percent. That's 292 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: all you could charge for legal fees. That was stripped 293 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: out by Nancy Pelosi in the House. Some Republicans in 294 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: the Senate got in on it as well, their buddies 295 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: with the trial attorneys. And now you have Joe Biden 296 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,359 Speaker 1: signing the bill. And guess what. Our Department of Justice, 297 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: with Merrick Garland, has done nothing to deal with this issue. 298 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: It's an absolute tragedy and another lie by Joe Biden. 299 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 3: It's among the things that we continue to try to 300 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: focus on at the Government Accountability Institute and the Drill 301 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 3: One Podcast. He's Peter Schweizer, I'm Marik Eggers. We're happy 302 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 3: to talk to you. Take your calls. Next eight hundred 303 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 3: nine for one seven three two six. We're filling in 304 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 3: for Sean Handy show back after this. 305 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: This is Peter Schweitzer. I'm here with Eric Eggers. We 306 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: are from the Government Accountability Institute. We are filling in 307 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: for Sean. Let's go to Christy in Many Minneapolis. Christie, 308 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: are you there, Yes? 309 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 4: I am. Can you hear me? 310 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: Yes? 311 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 4: Go ahead, I'm going to talk fast. Thank you for 312 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 4: taking my call. I'm going to talk fast. Hang up 313 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 4: and listen. Okay, if Biden's sharp, strong, and resolute, then 314 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 4: he must be prosecuted for the mishandling of classified documents. 315 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 4: We need to keep calling out the double standard and 316 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 4: tell them they can't have it both ways. And in 317 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 4: regards to the second debate, Trump needs to not let 318 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 4: Joe Biden weasel out of it, and when he gets 319 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 4: on stage with him, stay on points, not repeat himself, 320 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 4: call out the hypocrisy, and ask Biden questions we all 321 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 4: know the answer to, so Biden's lies will be clear. 322 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 2: That's an excellent point, Christy, thank you very much. 323 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 3: It's ironic that Joe Biden's get out of jail free 324 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: card might actually be his political end of the career card. 325 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: This is kind of what happened to Hunter Biden. Remember 326 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: on the whole drug thing. He used the drugs as 327 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: an excuse for a lot of his misbehavior and ended 328 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: up hurting him on this gun application case. 329 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: It's just another example of the Biden hypocrisy. It's one 330 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 3: of the stains on this country. But when we come back, 331 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 3: we're going to be reminded as we approach this fourth 332 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 3: of July weekend of the things that have continued to 333 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 3: make this country great he's Peter Schweiser, Americ Eggers, thank 334 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 3: you for spending the last day before the fourth of 335 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 3: July with us on the Sean Handy Show. 336 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: Actually it's not Sean Hannity. It's Peter Schweitzer. And I'm 337 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: here with Eric Eggers, and we are filling in for 338 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: Sean and we are grateful for the opportunity to do so. 339 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 3: And Alec Baldwin loves you. I think you're his favorite 340 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 3: conservative author. 341 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 2: Do you think so well? 342 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: Just because you haven't? You know, you know he's got 343 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 3: bigger problems to wear about right now. 344 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: I think he absolutely does. We have a great guest 345 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: on the line right now. He's actually a dear friend 346 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: of mine. He's really America's premier combat historian, Patrick K. O'Donnell. 347 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: He's written a bunch of books, and I have to say, honestly, 348 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: I don't read a lot of history, not because I 349 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: don't love it. I love to read it. The problem 350 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: is I don't have the time because it's been so 351 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: much time researching, doing the work on my books. But 352 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: I read Pat because his writing is terrific. He's got 353 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: a new book out called The Unvanquished, The Untold Story 354 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: of Lincoln Special Forces, the manhunt for Mosby's Rangers, and 355 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: the Shadow War that forged America's Special operations. And by 356 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: the way, he's not just a writer like me. This 357 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: is a guy who actually, during the Iraq War was 358 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: embedded with the military and actually fought with a Marine 359 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: rifle platoon during the Battle of Fallujah. So this is 360 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: a guy who has seen combat. And I wanted to 361 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: have Pat on today because we know there's all this 362 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: news going on. It's kind of unsettling and disconc but 363 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: we are celebrating America's independence tomorrow and I thought Pat 364 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: would be a great guy that could help us bridge 365 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: and understand what independence means. We declared our independence in 366 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: seventeen seventy six, but we're kind of fighting for our 367 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: independence every single day, and there's a lot of brave 368 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: men and women who have done so over the centuries. 369 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 3: So and the fact that you and I can sit 370 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: here and host the national radio show and be openly 371 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 3: critical of the President of the United States and the 372 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 3: media establishment around it, you can't do that in other countries. 373 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 3: So we continue to enjoy freedoms that the rest of 374 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 3: the world envies dramatically, And I think it's good to 375 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 3: be reminded of how those freedoms war won. 376 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 2: And Patrick o'donod think is an excellent person to do that. 377 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Pat, it's great to be on with you. 378 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: Tell us about the fourth of July through the prism 379 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: of what you study, which is combat American history and 380 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: the heroes that have done so much to preserve and 381 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: protect this country. 382 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 6: Absolutely, freedom isn't free. And you know, let me just 383 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 6: take you back in time, the listeners back in time 384 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 6: to the fourth of July of eighteen sixty four, where 385 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 6: this is our second founding the Civil War. It's the 386 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 6: Great Civil War, and it's at this time that America, 387 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 6: the North, the Union is really of its greatest peril 388 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 6: in the war. And it's an unknown, relatively unknown special 389 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 6: operations rate that involves the guy by name of Jebel 390 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 6: Early Leaves, bad old man, and he has an army 391 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 6: of fourteen thousand men that are barreling down on the 392 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 6: nation's capital. And I have a great article right now 393 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 6: at the front page of Breibart on that raid and 394 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 6: also his interactions with the guy by the name of 395 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 6: John Singleton Mosby, who is the greatest partisan leader of 396 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 6: all time. In American history, and these two they don't 397 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 6: really work together very well, but they're about to probably 398 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 6: take down the capitol, and the North is in desperate shape. 399 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 6: Most of the men that are in the war are 400 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 6: down south in Petersburg encircling that that siege with General 401 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 6: Grant in the the North's capitol is completely picked clean. 402 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 6: And it's it's at that moment that Lincoln is panicking 403 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 6: and the army is is slowed down by a guy 404 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 6: by the name of Lou Wallace. General Lou Wallace, who 405 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 6: is the future author of Ben hur you know, has 406 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 6: a delaying action at the Battle of Monocacy right outside 407 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 6: of Frederick, Maryland, which is one of the most important 408 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 6: small units actions of in history. That that flows this 409 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 6: juggernaut down just hours. And then he's literally, you know, 410 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 6: watching his watch as the hours tick by, because he 411 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 6: knows that every hour that he, you know, delays, early 412 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 6: reinforcements can hopefully arrive in the nation's capital. And you know, 413 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 6: it's it's a desperate thing. And then there's this It's 414 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 6: really fascinating because there's a massive prisoner of war camp 415 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 6: in Point Lookout, Maryland, and part of this mission is 416 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 6: to free these guys as well, and that doesn't go 417 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 6: off quite as well because an element of this book 418 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 6: is also a part of what's known as the Confederate 419 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 6: Secret Service. And this is a shadowy organization that is, 420 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 6: you know, doing the stuff that we hear today peter 421 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 6: election interference, ballot fraud, influencing the press operations. The stuff 422 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 6: is one hundred years ahead of its time, and you know, 423 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 6: it's remarkable, and you know they slow them down just enough, 424 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 6: but not enough. I mean, my great great great uncle 425 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 6: is part of the one hundred and fifty of Ohio 426 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 6: and he's thrown out in front of Early's army to 427 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 6: slow it down. And it's here that the President of 428 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 6: the United States are a sitting president the first time 429 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 6: is under fire. He's at then a parapet on in 430 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 6: Fort Stevens, which is located on now present day Georgia Avenue, 431 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 6: and Army, the jubil Early's Army is barreling down and 432 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 6: you know, literally as the minutes tick by, the sixth 433 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 6: Corps is jumping off gameboats at the Washington Navy Yard 434 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 6: in marching to the rescue. And this book is about 435 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 6: these men, but also an untold story called the Jesse Scouts, 436 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 6: which is really an epic tale of Union Scouts that 437 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 6: dresses Confederates that literally change the course of a civil 438 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 6: war through their actions. The book about agency and you 439 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 6: know people that are just regular Americans that are brought 440 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 6: into the fold and do extraordinary things. Fifty or one 441 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 6: hundred of these Jesse Scouts literally change the course of 442 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 6: the war through their actions, and most of them never 443 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 6: come home. Seven Medals of Honor, and most of these 444 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 6: men die in Mexico in our first proxy war against 445 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 6: the European power. 446 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 3: It's a good reminder of who we can be as 447 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 3: a country when you think about who we have been. 448 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 3: And I think, especially in this hyper instantaneous media environment, 449 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 3: we're all kind of prisoners of the moment or the 450 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 3: temptation can be for usd to be that. And I 451 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 3: love talking to a historian who reminds us actually, you know, 452 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 3: we've been here before. We're now looking at the Democratic 453 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 3: National Convention in Chicago. There's been other contested Democratic conventions 454 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty eight, but ironically, and you talk about 455 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 3: this in your book too, there's another Democratic convention in 456 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 3: eighteen sixty four that maybe can even help inform part 457 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 3: of what we might be experiencing now. 458 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 6: The summer of eighteen sixty four in the summer of 459 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 6: two thousand and four is eerily similar on a number 460 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 6: of tracks. In that election of eighteen sixty four is 461 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 6: arguably the most important election in American history, as is 462 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 6: the forthcoming the upcoming election that we're now facing. And 463 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 6: it's then that the Democrat Party is. It's fascinating because 464 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 6: it's in influence, the rising influence in the party. The 465 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 6: most powerful element is a peace movement known as Copperheads. 466 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 6: And this movement is, as I bring out in the book, 467 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 6: is influenced directly by the Confederate Secret Service. The story 468 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 6: of the Secret Service is fascinating. Jefferson Davis in the 469 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 6: spring of eighteen sixty four sends his peace emissaries as 470 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 6: they're called, but these are actually Confederate Secret Service agents 471 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 6: up to Montreal with two million dollars in gold to 472 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 6: buy influence. And it's everything from foreign powers overseas that 473 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 6: it's also the Democratic Party, and it's his men that 474 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 6: help that are literally pulling the strings of the leader 475 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 6: of the peace movement or the Copperhead movement, a guy 476 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 6: named mc clement laired Balandium who's an Ohio congressman that 477 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 6: betrayed the cause and literally was exiled to Canada by 478 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 6: and he's an active The Secret Service pulls off its 479 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 6: greatest cue by helping him write the campaign platform for 480 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 6: eighteen sixty four, which is an armistice to basically end 481 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 6: the war. And these men know that if you have 482 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 6: an armistice, it's almost impossible to restart the war. Within 483 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 6: that was also the continuation of slavery, and it would 484 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 6: have meant the continuation of the independence of the South. 485 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 6: And there's all of these things that the Secret Service 486 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 6: is doing in these influence operations to influence the election. 487 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 6: They're applying governors that are friendly to Illinois to the 488 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 6: Democratic Party to buy them off to basically influence them. 489 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 6: They're also have these incredible influence operations with the press 490 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 6: to spend tens of thousands of dollars for the Democracy 491 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 6: that's what they called themselves at the time, the Democratic Party, 492 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 6: which then at that time had comple leap control of 493 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 6: the Northern or most of the Northern press, and they 494 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 6: started to basically pump out articles that were very negative 495 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 6: about President Lincoln and also the war, the Forever War 496 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 6: that could never be one was always the sort of mantra, 497 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 6: and it was working because at this time, in eighteen 498 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 6: sixty four, there were hundreds of thousands of Union desertions, 499 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 6: the armies were going nowhere, and it looked like the 500 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 6: war would not be won. And it's important to remember 501 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 6: if you look at modern counterinsurgencies to this day, it's 502 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 6: almost impossible to beat them if they have the support 503 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 6: of the population. The South had complete, almost complete support 504 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 6: from its population, and they didn't have to win the war. 505 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 6: They had to merely survive, and that was the That 506 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 6: was the position that they were in in the summer 507 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 6: of eighteen sixty four. Lincoln sees it and he says 508 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 6: to his cabinet, you think I'm going to be beating 509 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 6: I'm going to be beat badly. And he does something 510 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 6: that's really extraordinary. He still has the election and signed 511 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 6: something called the Blind Memorandum, where he takes a letter 512 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 6: that says that he will support whoever the candidate is, 513 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 6: even if he loses, puts it in an envelope, doesn't 514 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 6: tell his his cabinet what he's got in the envelope, 515 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 6: but makes them all sign it, which is an extraordinary 516 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 6: act of democracy. 517 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: It's an amazing story. I've read that in the book. 518 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: It's a fantastic book, and I cannot recommend it highly enough. Again, 519 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: as I said, I don't read a lot of history 520 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: just because I don't have the time. But I read 521 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: Patrick O'Donnell his new book The Unvanquished, the untold story 522 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: of Lincoln's Special Forces that manhunt for Mosby's Rangers and 523 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: the shadow war that forged America's special operations. It will 524 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: give you hope because it shows the kind of battles 525 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: that we fought before and that we won, and it 526 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: gives an indication of the struggles that America is going 527 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: to have perhaps going forward, but that we need to 528 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: be prepared and that they're honorable people up prepared to 529 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,239 Speaker 1: do it. Pat, I appreciate all the great work that 530 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: you do. Thank you for doing it, for chronicling these 531 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 1: historic battles, and I wish you the best Independence Day tomorrow. 532 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 6: Thank you Peter for having me on People can find 533 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 6: me at Combat Historian on Twitter or Rex Forgetter. 534 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 3: It's a great story and it's a great time to 535 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 3: be reminded as we do approach this Fourth of July holiday, 536 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 3: of the best things this Country stands for. 537 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 2: Thank you for all of you that are joining us. 538 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 3: We know that true patriots out there still care and 539 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 3: they're still fighting just like we are. And we will 540 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 3: wrap up our last segment on this program filling for 541 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 3: Sean Handy with you taking your call the next eight 542 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 3: hundred and nine to four one Shawn, Peter Swizer, Eric 543 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 3: Eggers saying goodbye. 544 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: Next on the Sean Handy Show. 545 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: It's Peter Schweitzer. I'm here with my good friend Eric Egers. 546 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: We're filling in for Sean. Are having a blast doing 547 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: so let's go to Lawrence in Kentucky. Lawrence go ahead. 548 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 7: Hey guys, great great show today, no drop off at all. 549 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 7: And Sean better not stay away too long because you 550 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 7: guys they're awesome. 551 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: Well, you're very sweet, thank you. 552 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 6: Yeah. 553 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 7: I just wanted to make the point that Joe's not 554 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 7: going to go. He should go, he should already be gone, 555 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 7: but he's not going to go. And here's why I 556 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 7: believe he won't go. The only thing that he was 557 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 7: able to communicate and demonstrate during that debate is his 558 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 7: personal hatred and dislike for Donald Trump and the moment 559 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 7: that he leaves office. Him and Jill will no longer 560 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 7: be able to control that narrative that they have tried 561 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 7: to control for four years now. And I don't think 562 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 7: that he can conceive of losing to Donald Trump and 563 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 7: going out of office early, and that personal hatred will 564 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 7: be his undoing, his administration's undoing. That's underthing. But he 565 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 7: will not go. He can't go because once he goes, 566 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 7: he can't control anything. So that that's my point. I'll 567 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 7: let you guys talk. 568 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: Thank you, Lawrence. 569 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 3: I think you're exactly right, by the way, and not 570 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 3: just about us being awesome, although you know clearly everyone 571 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 3: has heard it today. But what I would say is 572 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 3: I think the other and why he's not going to 573 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 3: go is because this is what the Bidens do for money. Yes, right, 574 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 3: It's not like Frank Biden's beating back legitimate business interest, 575 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 3: and neither is James and Hunter hasn't sold a piece 576 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 3: of art in a while, so this is what they do, right, 577 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: And the business model has always relied on Joe, And 578 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 3: so it's when you relinquish, you're not just relinquishing the presidency, 579 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: you're relinquishing your career and your family's wealth moving forward. 580 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: You are I mean, it's like you know, the Biden Inc. 581 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: In business since nineteen seventy two. Yeah, this is what 582 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: they've done, and they don't have anything else to sell. 583 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: So we're on the eve of the fourth of July. 584 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: I want to turn to something more positive, and that 585 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: is fourth of July is one of my favorite holidays. 586 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: Christmas and fourth of July. I love it that way 587 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: I am, but I just love it and I'm so 588 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: grateful to live in this country. What are you guys doing. 589 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: You've got young kids. I know you guys are traveling 590 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: a little bit. What are you guys doing to celebrate 591 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: the Fourth of July and anything particular with the kids. 592 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 3: We're going to do something that I thought. I will 593 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 3: say this. You know you like to make predictions. I 594 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 3: will make a prediction. I don't think we're going to 595 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 3: always be able to celebrate the Fourth of Jly with fireworks. 596 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 3: One of the stories we didn't have a chance to 597 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 3: get to is there are some cities, because of environmental concerns, 598 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 3: you can't even do fireworks anymore. So we're going somewhere 599 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 3: we do live in the Freestate of Florida. We're gonna 600 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 3: watch fireworks good and you know, and celebrate the freedoms, 601 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 3: and again I don't take lightly that you and I 602 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 3: can sit here and raise I think legitimate questions about 603 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 3: what the President United States has done and the way 604 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 3: that they've lied the American people, But that is still 605 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 3: a freedom we enjoy in this country, and I think 606 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 3: that is among the things that make this country the 607 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 3: greatest one. 608 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 2: In the world. 609 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely, God bless America. I mean that sincerely, and thank 610 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: you everybody for taking the time to listen to us, 611 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: and thank you for Sean and for Linda to turn 612 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: over the microphone to us. We appreciate it. Had a 613 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: lot of fun, little anxious at the beginning, but have 614 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: really really enjoyed it. 615 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 3: And thank you to Eric and Jason who have helped 616 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 3: produce this program, and thank you for helping us make 617 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 3: helping allowing us to be part of your for there's 618 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 3: alli getting God blessed America, and thank you guys very much.